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Speaker 1: this is hazel and welcome back to another

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Speaker 2: episode of cavities.

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Speaker 2: Today's topic I think is something that anyone and everyone

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Speaker 2: can relate to. And we've got the best guest in

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Speaker 2: the studio for this. Say hello to everybody can tell

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Speaker 2: us what have you been up to? What are you

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Speaker 2: doing right now?

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Speaker 1: Okay so thank you so much for having me on

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Speaker 1: your podcast. I'm a certified personal trainer. I've been a

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Speaker 1: personal trainer for eight years now. I'm a host on

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Speaker 1: click networks. No sweat. So it's a fitness and wellness show.

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Speaker 1: And I also run a personal training app called knows

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Speaker 1: sweat. Um and it's a pretty much to help people

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Speaker 1: work out from home and start getting fit,

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Speaker 2: wow we should check out this app. How many pull

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Speaker 2: ups can you do? You

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Speaker 1: Know, I think like at once maybe like three. I'm

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Speaker 1: not that good at pools. Like honestly I'm not a

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Speaker 1: pull up queen, I'm better at my pushes how

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Speaker 2: many push ups?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it depends who is challenging me

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Speaker 2: to.

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Speaker 2: There's also a show that you are on that hazel

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Speaker 2: was also an episode of Camel.

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Speaker 1: Yes

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Speaker 2: Camelot Fallen

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Speaker 1: Fallen. So I was in episode one and episode two

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Speaker 1: and it was just it was really awesome experience. And

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Speaker 1: we got to join the army essentially we've got to

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Speaker 1: go to from from my episode we got we got

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Speaker 1: to use the guns and we got to, yeah I

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Speaker 1: medics and do all this combat training. It was insane

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Speaker 1: and like pretty much the worst like the most intense

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Speaker 1: training I've ever experienced in my life

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Speaker 2: coming from a P. T. P.

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Speaker 1: T. Like that stuff is intense. I have so much

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Speaker 1: respect for servicemen who actually do this but I'm so

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Speaker 1: happy that it's finally out. It was a two year project.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It lasted like over like two years. Covid.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So for my episode for is actually the navy episode.

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Speaker 2: We actually got to experience what it's like. And then

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Speaker 2: gush in into the submarine and we had to fix

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Speaker 2: the whole like find out where the hole is fix

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Speaker 2: it so that we can save ourselves from drowning incredible

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Speaker 2: you know a very physically challenging

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Speaker 1: intensive. We

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Speaker 2: actually discussed confidence style a few episodes back but now

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Speaker 2: to the physicality of it right? It's about body image.

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Speaker 2: It's about self image issues. Loving yourself and all that

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the physical body right? And I

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Speaker 2: course of course. So it's a yes all around. What

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Speaker 1: Even the guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's a universal experience, right? And it's not

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Speaker 2: just girls that go through this. I know plenty of

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a very good question. And it might

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't really buy hair conditioner or shampoo from

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Speaker 1: They aspire to be motivated because they're like, wow, this

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Speaker 2: I definitely understand that. Um, over the years, right, body

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Speaker 2: But we were babies. We were babies. Yeah. And then

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Speaker 2: It is toxic to a certain extent, but also you

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Speaker 2: me after I joined the industry, I said this a

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Speaker 2: couple of times before I joined the industry, I was,

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Speaker 2: I love my cops, I love my sugar. After I

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Speaker 2: Um, I think that diet culture is something that, you know, you,

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Speaker 2: Moment when you really needed the washroom and you could

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Speaker 2: But I think we have to, we have to define

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Speaker 2: diet culture. Culture is where you place more importance on

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Speaker 2: for my well being. That's not really the bad part

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Speaker 2: of diet culture. That's just you know, you will

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Speaker 2: watching your diet. Yeah, Diet culture is for example, um

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Speaker 2: guilt tripping yourself for having a full meal. Yeah. Where

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a big problem because there's just

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Speaker 1: take is that diets are always, I feel that diets

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Speaker 1: get off the diet,

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Speaker 2: Sorry question. So because you know with these different diets,

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Speaker 2: you take different things to eat different things right, aside

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Speaker 2: from the, you know, bouncing back of weight, does it

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Speaker 2: do something to your body internally as well, You know

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Speaker 2: when you cut out like certain food groups or you

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Speaker 2: know when you focus on certain things

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Speaker 1: that essentially crash dieting and you're you're dieting that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people unfortunately fall into this trap of thinking, okay,

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Speaker 2: heard the term? We are what we eat? Yeah. Oh

449
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Speaker 2: my God, then it will be a huge, juicy, cheesy crab.

450
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Speaker 2: Like just, I will be a KFC fried chicken. I

451
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Speaker 1: love Mcdonald's,

452
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Speaker 2: I

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Speaker 1: Get Chicken Naga 60

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Speaker 1: chicken nuggets with the fries and a drink water. I

455
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Speaker 1: don't drink coke. Um that's the compromise and I have

456
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Speaker 1: an apple pie after that. Like, I just love it

457
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Speaker 1: so much. I love Mcdonald's like, I no kidding, I love,

458
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Speaker 1: I love Mcdonald's my favorite thing

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Speaker 2: in this life. You're making me want order Mcdonald's after this.

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Speaker 2: I

461
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Speaker 1: really love, you know guys, I really, really love Mcdonald's?

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Speaker 1: I said, you know what people like to ask me, like, oh,

463
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Speaker 1: having Mcdonald's, is this a cheat day and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: no,

465
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Speaker 2: I

466
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Speaker 1: literally eat Mcdonald's like twice a week. I'm not even

467
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Speaker 1: joking and it's not like a cheat day kind of thing.

468
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Speaker 1: It's like because, and I don't treat it as a meal.

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Speaker 1: You see this when I talk about eating with intention, I,

470
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Speaker 1: my Mcdonald's after I eat like my dinner, I'm like, okay,

471
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Speaker 1: I eat my dinner and I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I really want to eat chicken nuggets and fries like

473
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Speaker 1: now because I've just had a very long week and

474
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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm craving it and I want to

475
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Speaker 1: eat it and I hardly had the opportunity to, you know,

476
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Speaker 1: have free evenings. So I'm going to go and eat

477
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Speaker 1: and enjoy myself.

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Speaker 2: So you basically just have nuggets and fries for dessert.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like supper.

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Speaker 2: Can you afford to do that because of your output

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Speaker 2: as well? Right? Because you work out

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Speaker 1: okay, So that's a very fair, that's that's very fair

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Speaker 1: for you to say because I thought a lot of

484
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Speaker 1: guys say this like, oh, I'm eating like my chicken nuggets,

485
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Speaker 1: but I still have a six pack like, yeah, you know,

486
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Speaker 1: and I'm like,

487
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Speaker 2: what's going to go? But

488
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Speaker 1: the same

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Speaker 1: time, right? You guys have a much higher metabolism than

490
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Speaker 1: us girls. And also for us girls, right? Like I

491
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Speaker 1: guess for the, for people who are generally very athletic

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Speaker 1: and very fit like, yes, I think it's because we

493
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Speaker 1: are fit fit, that we have the foundation to allow

494
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Speaker 1: us to eat like this. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I also kind of like, I also believe in caloric deficit.

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Speaker 1: So I know on the day that maybe I just

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Speaker 1: haven't eaten a lot and max is

498
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Speaker 1: the only thing that's open, I will still eat the max,

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Speaker 1: you know,

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Speaker 2: because you still wouldn't hit your calorie

501
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Speaker 1: because I still want him Henry count and I know

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Speaker 1: I'll burn it off anyway in the long run. I'm

503
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Speaker 1: not eating this every single day. I'm eating this maybe

504
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Speaker 1: like twice. So we just to treat myself. I believe

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Speaker 1: in this 80 20 rule. So basically 20% of your

506
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Speaker 1: food can be junk food and 80% of food can

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Speaker 1: be nutritious food, not junk food, but like food that

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Speaker 1: you like, like ice cream and fries and basically junk

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Speaker 2: 2080.

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Speaker 2: So here's my my my problem with caloric deficit. I've

511
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Speaker 2: tried time and time again, but I cannot find the

512
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Speaker 2: self control to stop eating or to choose healthier foods.

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Speaker 2: What would you say to someone like me?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you've tried eating a caloric deficit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I get hungry. And I want to feel

516
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Speaker 1: like you do already in a caloric deficit. Don't you think?

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Speaker 2: No, no, that's just the

518
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Speaker 1: thing, like people have this assumption that I'm overeating, you know,

519
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Speaker 1: because I eat so much, but actually, you know, some

520
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Speaker 1: people's bodies just expand a lot of energy naturally. Some

521
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Speaker 1: people generally just have a higher metabolism, which is why

522
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Speaker 1: it's very important for you not to copy a diet

523
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Speaker 1: wholesale because you really got to listen to what your

524
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Speaker 1: body is able to expand.

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Speaker 2: And for people like black, pink jenny, I think she

526
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Speaker 2: shared that she dances six hours a day.

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Speaker 2: How much calories can she burn? Oh my God a lot.

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Speaker 2: And Rose Rose says that before she does a concert.

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Speaker 2: She needs to have a big bowl of rice, just

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Speaker 2: white rice. It's not right. She will faint on stage, legit, legit.

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Speaker 2: So cups are not enemies. Okay, it's just how you

532
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Speaker 2: expand that energy. So we all I mean, I feel

533
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Speaker 2: like that half of the room have a more active lifestyle.

534
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Speaker 2: This half of the room a bit more laid back.

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Speaker 2: But we all work at night.

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Speaker 2: They are. That's why I said dancing in the club,

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Speaker 2: you can lose weight, you can lose, you can burn

538
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Speaker 2: calories and then you take two shots after that. No,

539
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Speaker 2: hazy asked me once, she was like, can you please

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Speaker 2: wear your Apple watch? And again, that's one whole night

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Speaker 2: and see how many calories. I will do that tonight soon.

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Speaker 2: But okay, we all work out one way or another

543
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Speaker 2: what our motivations for working out to have a nice

544
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Speaker 2: body of course being in the entertainment industry, I think

545
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Speaker 2: visually is everything at least to me, I want to

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Speaker 2: like work out to keep myself in good

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Speaker 1: shape. I think for me that used to be my

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Speaker 1: goal and I think very much who doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: look good, who doesn't want to work out to, you know,

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Speaker 1: have a body that they like. But I think my

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Speaker 1: goal has really shifted to working out for my mental

552
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Speaker 1: health and telling people to work out for their mental

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Speaker 1: wellness because I think, you know, long term, that is

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Speaker 1: what is sustain

555
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Speaker 1: you exercise, because it makes me feel good about myself,

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Speaker 1: makes me feel confident and makes me a lot of

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Speaker 1: it makes me mentally stronger. So I think that's my

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Speaker 1: passion and that's why I would like to share as well,

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Speaker 2: I feel I'm getting there, you know, last time I

560
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Speaker 2: dread going to the gym, but now I actually look

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Speaker 2: forward at least once a week, it's okay manageable for

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Speaker 2: me and I'm actually happier every time after I leave

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Speaker 1: the endorphins. And I think that's the thing with my

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Speaker 1: personal training clients, they come to me, they're like, I

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Speaker 1: want your body, I'm

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Speaker 1: want to lose weight I want. But actually the real

567
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Speaker 1: results come when they start working out as a lifestyle

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Speaker 1: and when

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Speaker 2: they work out because I

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Speaker 1: feel very uncomfortable if I don't exercise today, you know,

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Speaker 1: they get to the point where like, okay, I have

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Speaker 1: this habit where I need to exercise. If not I

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Speaker 1: just don't feel mentally good,

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Speaker 2: interesting. Zero motivation. Obviously people here don't work out as

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Speaker 2: much as people there for me worry, I'll speak for myself,

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing for myself,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but what was your motivation? I think

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Speaker 2: I want to be strong. You are mentally okay, I

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Speaker 2: would like to be physically strong. Okay, I think for

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Speaker 2: me it's a mix between body image, body, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: looking good, but also I've learned right, because I drink

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Speaker 2: so much

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Speaker 2: because I drink so much, I've learned that um working

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Speaker 2: out maybe like one or two days after drinking can

585
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Speaker 2: really bring my A levels. What do you call it? Endorphins,

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Speaker 2: Dopamine

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Speaker 1: back

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Speaker 2: to happy hormones back to a proper balance.

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Speaker 2: If not, I'll feel very low and I feel very

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Speaker 2: like dejected from what? From the drinking from the alcohol,

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Speaker 2: it does do that to you. So I'll work it out,

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Speaker 2: I'll sweat it out, so it's kind of like a

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Speaker 2: detox and then I'll feel a lot better after coming

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Speaker 2: out from the gym, then she repeats the cycle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, so I mean a lot of people

596
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Speaker 2: associate health with being thin or being lean, but I

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Speaker 2: want to bring up an example, lizzo lizzo works out

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Speaker 2: like crazy and people still fat shame her and body

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Speaker 2: shame her, but I tell you she could run circles

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Speaker 2: around you. Have you seen that woman on stage? Like

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Speaker 2: that's just amazing. So I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: have this misconception that health is lean thin. What do

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Speaker 2: you think about this as a personal trainer,

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Speaker 1: definitely a lot of people have this

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Speaker 1: exception that um your health is like when you see

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Speaker 1: a skinny your body or Alina body or they see

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Speaker 1: the apps when they see the tone arms, they're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: she's very healthy and maybe I can talk a bit

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Speaker 1: about my, about my own personal bodybuilding um experience. So

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Speaker 1: I was a bodybuilder for five years. So I remember

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Speaker 1: basically the aim was to get my body fat as

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Speaker 1: low as possible to have that six pack to have

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Speaker 1: that very lean body and at that point of time people,

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Speaker 1: I guess I was getting quite a

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Speaker 1: lot of traction on social media, you know, because I

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Speaker 1: would youtube about it, I would post about my personal

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Speaker 1: body building journey and a lot of people were going like, wow,

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Speaker 1: like what is your diet, what is your workout routine like?

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Speaker 1: And that was probably the lowest body fat. I was

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Speaker 1: like 8% body fat

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Speaker 2: and I

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Speaker 1: Don't know if you guys, I want to pull out

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Speaker 1: a picture of it, but I was like, I was

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Speaker 1: super 10

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Speaker 2: right here, super

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Speaker 1: Skinny. I was, I was very, very lean. My body

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Speaker 1: fat was like 8%, I was like the cleanest and

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Speaker 1: sharpest and most like cut I've ever been in my

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Speaker 1: entire life, but

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Speaker 1: in retrospect that was actually the unhealthiest I have ever been.

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Speaker 1: That is because the diet and the workouts were just

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Speaker 1: not healthy. Okay. It is not normal.

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Speaker 2: Extremist is

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Speaker 1: Very, very extreme. It's not normal to be eating six

635
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Speaker 1: meals a day of chicken breasts and broccoli.

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Speaker 1: It's not normal to be carrying a weighing scale out

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Speaker 1: when you're eating out. And even like literally I went

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Speaker 1: for dates, like I went for proper first dates and

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Speaker 1: I had to tell my date okay. This is gonna

640
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Speaker 1: look very weird, but I have a weighing scale and

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Speaker 1: I'm going away my summon in front of you.

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Speaker 2: Actually excited someone like you as an example in

643
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Speaker 1: one of our podcast

644
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,389
Speaker 2: happened in real

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Speaker 1: life. Yeah. And that was basically what I did. Like

646
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Speaker 1: I literally scared all these boys away

647
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Speaker 1: and this is why I was like, what do you

648
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:18,230
Speaker 1: don't date me? And I know why now

649
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Speaker 2: because of the

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Speaker 1: way scale to the date. And I was literally like

651
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Speaker 1: tap the oil off my food and okay, I did

652
00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:26,890
Speaker 1: all these very extreme things. I was working out like

653
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Speaker 1: six days a week cardio, like one hour every single day.

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Speaker 1: And yes, I look cut, I look clean and I

655
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Speaker 1: was prepared for a competition. I had a goal, but

656
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Speaker 1: that was also a point in my life that was

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Speaker 1: very unhealthy.

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Speaker 1: And I believe that anything that's not sustainable is just

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Speaker 1: not healthy. So I think it's very normal for people

660
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Speaker 1: to look at your body and go, well six pack,

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Speaker 1: like she has abs, she's so lean. Like look at her,

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Speaker 1: I want to be her. But I think people are

663
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Speaker 1: not aware that that to get to that level might

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Speaker 1: not have been through healthy means.

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Speaker 2: Or if you look at someone that's super super skinny

666
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Speaker 2: um they could have some sort of eating disorder as well.

667
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Speaker 2: They could be struggling with something that you don't know

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Speaker 2: and to get to that point. I mean, would you

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Speaker 2: be willing to sacrifice your mental health, your happiness, your clarity, clarity, clarity,

670
00:28:11,270 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: you know, to to fit a certain standard, Right? So

671
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,930
Speaker 2: them being in the fitness industry, obviously fitness is a business, right?

672
00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:21,260
Speaker 2: People have to market it in order to get clients

673
00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:24,129
Speaker 2: and to make money. But then we've seen some, you

674
00:28:24,130 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: know places that that marketed in a way where they

675
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,899
Speaker 2: use really hot, really lean,

676
00:28:29,020 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: very pretty girls. How do you think that affects people's

677
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,020
Speaker 2: relationship with like losing weight for body appearance as opposed

678
00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:37,129
Speaker 2: to losing weight for mental

679
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:41,390
Speaker 1: health. Like you said, the fitness business is a business.

680
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: So I'm for sure, you know, with any kind of

681
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,430
Speaker 1: businesses look so so it's not just the fitness industry,

682
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: this could be the beauty industry, you know, and they

683
00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:53,540
Speaker 1: are showcasing

684
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: people who, I mean what is conventionally looked as looked

685
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,010
Speaker 1: upon as fit, always conventionally looked upon as pretty. Um

686
00:29:01,010 --> 00:29:03,870
Speaker 1: So I think that yeah, for sure, it gives you

687
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,710
Speaker 1: it gives people that impression of this is the, this

688
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:08,980
Speaker 1: is what it means to look fit. You can use

689
00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:12,610
Speaker 1: it as the initial, um, as the initial like springboard

690
00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:14,230
Speaker 1: to want to start getting fit,

691
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,530
Speaker 1: but I think as you delve even more into it

692
00:29:16,530 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: and you start educating yourself about being healthy about being fit,

693
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:24,260
Speaker 1: then that's when you start to develop the different intentions

694
00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:25,530
Speaker 1: of why you're working out.

695
00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:27,090
Speaker 2: That's a very good way to look at it. So

696
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:29,990
Speaker 2: how do we all feel about our physics at this point?

697
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:32,510
Speaker 2: I'm actually very happy. You should be very happy with

698
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:33,260
Speaker 2: your physique to

699
00:29:33,270 --> 00:29:34,850
Speaker 1: you.

700
00:29:35,050 --> 00:29:39,470
Speaker 2: Well, I'm still eating like chili crab, my Mcdonald's, whatever

701
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: you name it, but I'm happy because I think I'm

702
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,470
Speaker 2: burning it away so contented you.

703
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,930
Speaker 1: I think that I love my body, I still have

704
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:51,370
Speaker 1: a lot of goals that I want to achieve strength goals,

705
00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: physical goals. Um, and I think that it would be

706
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,620
Speaker 1: a never ending journey in fully trying to love your body.

707
00:29:57,630 --> 00:30:01,330
Speaker 2: Yes, I think since travelers opened, um, I have to

708
00:30:01,330 --> 00:30:02,670
Speaker 2: wait because

709
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,490
Speaker 2: I've been traveling every time I come back from somewhere

710
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:08,790
Speaker 2: I bring back a little bit more of me with me,

711
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,470
Speaker 2: but I think I'm also at a place where my

712
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:16,070
Speaker 2: mental health is more important and if eating makes me happy,

713
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:17,270
Speaker 2: I'll eat like

714
00:30:17,660 --> 00:30:20,510
Speaker 2: I can work on that later. You know, one thing

715
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:24,330
Speaker 2: at a time, one thing at a, I think from

716
00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: my physique after starting to work out in a gym

717
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: and all that. I feel strong. I like it. I

718
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,410
Speaker 2: like it when I see that I'm strong. Um and

719
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Speaker 2: I can I can live things. I never just weak. Yeah,

720
00:30:36,130 --> 00:30:38,830
Speaker 2: when I was maybe two years back, I was very weak.

721
00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:40,969
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to like open things or lift

722
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Speaker 2: heavy things like my shopping. That's the heaviest thing that

723
00:30:43,330 --> 00:30:44,740
Speaker 2: I hold. Um

724
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: but not problems, problems, but now I'm trying to eat

725
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: better so that I have less what you call it,

726
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,460
Speaker 2: like visceral fat

727
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:55,690
Speaker 1: was basically the fact that surrounds your organs,

728
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:56,990
Speaker 2: which is important,

729
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:57,910
Speaker 1: but it's important. You can't have

730
00:30:57,910 --> 00:30:58,770
Speaker 2: too much of it. So

731
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Speaker 1: yes, lowering your visceral fat is very important because you know,

732
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a health thing. I've known clients who

733
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,550
Speaker 1: are very, very lean, they have very low body fat,

734
00:31:07,550 --> 00:31:08,580
Speaker 1: but they're visceral fat is

735
00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:10,930
Speaker 1: Something like seven or 8, which is very high on

736
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:13,290
Speaker 1: the visible fat scale. So it means that, you know,

737
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: they don't look like they're very fat. But inside all

738
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,090
Speaker 1: the organs are covered with

739
00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:18,670
Speaker 2: what do you do about that

740
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,830
Speaker 1: for that? That's mostly diet and exercise. I want to

741
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: say like eating better foods, eating healthy healthy. So there's

742
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,450
Speaker 2: this concept of body positivity versus body neutrality. I know

743
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: positively because we hear it all the time, it's always

744
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: being positive of your body regardless of shape size and

745
00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, the appearance related attributes, body neutrality is being

746
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,340
Speaker 2: more accepting of your body rather than always loving it always.

747
00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:46,310
Speaker 2: You know, having that optimism about it and appreciating it

748
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:49,790
Speaker 2: for its non physical characteristic which means on days that

749
00:31:49,790 --> 00:31:52,530
Speaker 2: you find your body is not like on point it's okay,

750
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: it's accepted as well. So what do you guys think

751
00:31:54,650 --> 00:31:55,090
Speaker 2: about

752
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:59,100
Speaker 2: body positivity versus body neutrality? It's a letter for me,

753
00:31:59,110 --> 00:32:01,450
Speaker 2: it's definitely letter, I don't think I am happy my

754
00:32:01,450 --> 00:32:04,709
Speaker 2: body every day, but that's okay. I accept it. I'm happy.

755
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,140
Speaker 2: I r t hazel retweet retweet. So

756
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Speaker 1: neutrality over positive. That's mostly I believe that both of

757
00:32:12,460 --> 00:32:16,230
Speaker 1: them can exist. I think that okay, it's a bit counterintuitive, right?

758
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:18,350
Speaker 1: Because there's this dilemma of like

759
00:32:19,170 --> 00:32:23,709
Speaker 1: self acceptance versus self improvement, right? Because body positive will

760
00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:26,930
Speaker 1: be like I accept, I love then the self the

761
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:30,100
Speaker 1: body neutrality is like I want to change myself. There's

762
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:32,670
Speaker 1: a slant towards like, you know, I feel I feel

763
00:32:32,670 --> 00:32:35,350
Speaker 1: that I'm not happy with my body now, but you know,

764
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,620
Speaker 1: I can eventually improve and I can eventually change my

765
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:39,950
Speaker 1: body

766
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: accepted

767
00:32:40,670 --> 00:32:42,980
Speaker 2: but I'm working on it.

768
00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:44,990
Speaker 1: So I think there's a bit of a

769
00:32:45,010 --> 00:32:45,900
Speaker 2: co exist like

770
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,070
Speaker 1: they can they can coexist. I don't think that they

771
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:51,570
Speaker 1: are mutually exclusive like positive versus neutrality. I think they

772
00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:54,350
Speaker 1: can coexist and I think where I'm coming from is

773
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:58,570
Speaker 1: that I'm moving more towards body autonomy rather than body

774
00:32:58,570 --> 00:33:01,830
Speaker 1: positive versus body neutrality. Body autonomy tells you that

775
00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: I love my body, but I will love it in

776
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:07,660
Speaker 1: every stage. And I am also, there's part of, there's

777
00:33:07,660 --> 00:33:10,150
Speaker 1: part of me that I want to improve their goals

778
00:33:10,150 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: I want to achieve. And they're part of me that

779
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,630
Speaker 1: I want to change and I have every right to

780
00:33:13,630 --> 00:33:16,370
Speaker 1: change that because it's your body and you should have

781
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:17,710
Speaker 1: a right to do whatever you want your body.

782
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,420
Speaker 2: I do like that. So when it comes to body image,

783
00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: we all said at the start, we struggle with body

784
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,780
Speaker 2: image issues. Right? So how can we then better our

785
00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:28,500
Speaker 2: body image? I think one very important way, especially in

786
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:29,070
Speaker 2: this day and age,

787
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:32,780
Speaker 2: is who you follow on social media. So I tend to, um,

788
00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:36,450
Speaker 2: I follow this account that busts like diet myths and

789
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:40,140
Speaker 2: fitness myths that really helps give me perspective on like

790
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:43,070
Speaker 2: not all food bad, You know, um, not just because

791
00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: you want to have a handful of m and m's

792
00:33:44,410 --> 00:33:46,740
Speaker 2: over a handful of nuts doesn't mean that you're a

793
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: terrible person. Things like that. Positive. Things like that

794
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,580
Speaker 1: for me. I think it's very important to look at

795
00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: and what I kind of tell my clients as well

796
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,820
Speaker 1: and tell people is that you want

797
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:58,340
Speaker 1: look at what your body can do for you rather

798
00:33:58,340 --> 00:34:00,370
Speaker 1: than how it just how it looks. So you want

799
00:34:00,370 --> 00:34:02,460
Speaker 1: to look at your body and that is exactly what

800
00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: you said. You know, my arms are not fly v

801
00:34:05,290 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: my arms are strong. You know, I don't, I will

802
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,790
Speaker 1: be a hypocrite if I said that, you know, body

803
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,820
Speaker 1: working out for superficial reasons is not it's not it's

804
00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:19,300
Speaker 1: not an intention of mine or it's not everyone's attention,

805
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm very aware of that, but I think it's all

806
00:34:22,580 --> 00:34:26,259
Speaker 1: so expanding your goals, it's expanding your goals. To know

807
00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm not only yes, I want to look this way,

808
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,109
Speaker 1: but I also want to gain a lot of other things.

809
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,340
Speaker 1: Like I want to be mentally sharper, I want to

810
00:34:32,340 --> 00:34:34,460
Speaker 1: be a lot stronger. I want to feel energetic through

811
00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:37,529
Speaker 1: the day and not feel tired so easily. I

812
00:34:37,540 --> 00:34:40,260
Speaker 2: hear that what I just want to expand on what

813
00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:41,890
Speaker 2: she said, right? And I think what she's saying is

814
00:34:41,890 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: also that a good body is a result of working out,

815
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:49,310
Speaker 2: but I think, you know, the intention should be something bigger.

816
00:34:49,330 --> 00:34:53,500
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so then in that aspect, right, as a

817
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: fitness trainer, when you train your clients, obviously you guys

818
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,090
Speaker 2: set goals, but what are some goals that you said

819
00:34:58,100 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: that are beyond what they see on the scale, like

820
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:01,219
Speaker 2: just the way your weight.

821
00:35:01,230 --> 00:35:04,890
Speaker 1: So I personally don't weigh myself. I have not, I

822
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: personally don't wear myself, I haven't weighed myself for your food,

823
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:11,589
Speaker 1: all my food. I haven't weighed myself on my food

824
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,290
Speaker 1: in years,

825
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:14,150
Speaker 2: like really

826
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:16,060
Speaker 1: years, like in years. And the

827
00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: the reason for that is because I think that it

828
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: can lead to a very unhealthy obsession when you are

829
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:25,430
Speaker 1: constantly obsessing over numbers, even my fitness app, no sweat.

830
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,810
Speaker 1: I never asked people what your weight is. I never

831
00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:29,350
Speaker 1: even get them to put down what the weight is.

832
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: It's really basing my progress on the, on photos. So

833
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,299
Speaker 1: like before and after photos and also on how they feel.

834
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: So even after on the app, even after the workout,

835
00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:41,590
Speaker 1: you can actually start journaling. Like I felt stronger after

836
00:35:41,590 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: this workout. I fell

837
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:44,890
Speaker 1: Good that I was able to do no 10 push

838
00:35:44,890 --> 00:35:46,779
Speaker 1: ups instead of eight push ups from my last one.

839
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:48,630
Speaker 1: I can do one more push ups. So I think

840
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: it's these like goals that you set for yourself, um,

841
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:55,650
Speaker 1: that really drive you to, to love your body more

842
00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:57,110
Speaker 1: for what you can do for you rather than just

843
00:35:57,110 --> 00:35:58,029
Speaker 1: how it looks right.

844
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,259
Speaker 2: And my fitness trainer actually also took my measurements. So

845
00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: they say it's way more accurate than seeing your weight

846
00:36:04,050 --> 00:36:07,450
Speaker 2: on the wing skill, right? So how, how thick your

847
00:36:07,450 --> 00:36:09,550
Speaker 2: waist is your thighs are and then you

848
00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:11,620
Speaker 2: do it before and after comparison and see if that

849
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:14,700
Speaker 2: makes you feel better. I think, you know, a healthy

850
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,530
Speaker 2: body image. It also reflects a healthy mind if you're

851
00:36:17,530 --> 00:36:21,049
Speaker 2: struggling with your relationship with food or, you know, if

852
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:23,180
Speaker 2: you're struggling with some sort of eating disorder, our heart

853
00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:25,150
Speaker 2: goes out to you. It's a process that you're gonna

854
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: have to work through, but always prioritize your mental health, right? And,

855
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:32,910
Speaker 2: and seek avenues different ways that you can try to

856
00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:35,010
Speaker 2: talk to people or people that have been through it

857
00:36:35,010 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: and have overcome it

858
00:36:36,469 --> 00:36:39,530
Speaker 2: and see how you can really move forward and we

859
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: believe in you, we believe it's possible. I hope this

860
00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:45,090
Speaker 2: episode of like harsh podcast will shed some light and

861
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:48,500
Speaker 2: encourage you in your journey to love yourself more. Don't

862
00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:52,330
Speaker 2: punish yourself for eating. Yes. So with that you have

863
00:36:52,330 --> 00:36:54,529
Speaker 2: any final words for our listeners at harsh podcast?

864
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:56,340
Speaker 1: Actually I wanted to ask my question to

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00:36:56,340 --> 00:36:56,740
Speaker 2: you.

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00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:58,250
Speaker 2: Yeah,

867
00:36:58,420 --> 00:37:02,330
Speaker 1: question. So like as influencers are like public image people,

868
00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: people with elevated like public profiles. Do you feel that

869
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,490
Speaker 1: sometimes when you get comments like on your photos and

870
00:37:09,489 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: stuff like that, that get to you?

871
00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: The comments actually not so much nowadays people will actually

872
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,450
Speaker 2: send me DmS that say looks like it's time to

873
00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:17,020
Speaker 2: hit the gym.

874
00:37:17,540 --> 00:37:20,419
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't affect me that much. What affects

875
00:37:20,420 --> 00:37:23,940
Speaker 2: me is my, my own mind myself, seeing myself on

876
00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:26,500
Speaker 2: screen and seeing like a little bit chubby or like

877
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,930
Speaker 2: even watching harsh podcast sometimes I, if you look at

878
00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:32,830
Speaker 2: videos from the start of harsh podcast, actually way chubbier

879
00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:35,580
Speaker 2: then because I didn't, I didn't do like, I didn't

880
00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:38,780
Speaker 2: work out back then. So that gives me the motivation

881
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:41,330
Speaker 2: to eat healthy to hit the gym,

882
00:37:41,469 --> 00:37:44,450
Speaker 2: but it's really a battle with my own mind. I

883
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:46,830
Speaker 2: have the second that like back in 2017, I saw

884
00:37:46,830 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: myself on screen, oh my gosh, I look so chubby

885
00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:52,750
Speaker 2: and now I think it's a better balance. I can't

886
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:55,310
Speaker 2: say that it doesn't get to me. Of course, sometimes

887
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: I wish, you know, I have a sharper jawline and

888
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,750
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Like any other female influencers out there.

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00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: But recently I actually did

890
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Speaker 2: like this live stream where I was selling bras and

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Speaker 2: then basically eight days did a report on that and

892
00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: upon putting it on instagram, I was expecting some comments

893
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,770
Speaker 2: to come out already and true enough, one fellow comment

894
00:38:13,770 --> 00:38:17,290
Speaker 2: said she's such a faker or something like that and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sorry, like when your bra is fake

896
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Speaker 2: and comments like

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Speaker 2: these comments confused me, but they don't get to me

898
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Speaker 2: as much as they would have say maybe like five

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Speaker 2: years ago. So I, I really second what jimmy says

900
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,820
Speaker 2: is all a battle up here in your mind. If

901
00:38:34,820 --> 00:38:37,790
Speaker 2: you are happy with yourself, nobody can tell you otherwise.

902
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,410
Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely right for me, if you don't

903
00:38:41,410 --> 00:38:45,170
Speaker 2: already know my weight fluctuates like crazy all the time.

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Speaker 2: I have three sizes in my wardrobe at all times,

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Speaker 1: right

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00:38:49,330 --> 00:38:50,700
Speaker 2: at all times.

907
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Speaker 2: And um I think on my personal pages it's fine,

908
00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:58,380
Speaker 2: but people comment on that all the time, like because

909
00:38:58,380 --> 00:39:00,700
Speaker 2: they see it like fluctuate and they see like yo yo, right?

910
00:39:00,710 --> 00:39:04,430
Speaker 2: They commented it all the time, especially like videos posted

911
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:06,969
Speaker 2: up by like my stations page, for example, it's like

912
00:39:06,969 --> 00:39:09,100
Speaker 2: bam bam, bam bam bam and if I were to

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Speaker 2: let it affect me out. So it's a it's a

914
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Speaker 2: it's a battle. It's really about mental reasons I'm going

915
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: to eat,

916
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,270
Speaker 2: I want to eat my mixed, but I feel like

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Speaker 2: people in our line of like work has higher resilience

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Speaker 2: to such comments, don't you think? Because we spent years

919
00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:28,489
Speaker 2: dealing with this, you know, being sad about these things

920
00:39:28,489 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: like crying in my bed, like, people ask me to

921
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: hit the gym, I better hit the gym. Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: definitely you've

923
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Speaker 2: developed a sort of like resulting mechanism for this kind

924
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Speaker 2: of survival, I would say. I mean, you're a public

925
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Speaker 2: figure to what do you think?

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Speaker 1: I think like for me, especially because I am in

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Speaker 1: the fitness space, I think

928
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Speaker 1: there's an actual extra extra pressure to look a certain

929
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Speaker 1: way

930
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Speaker 2: because it's your career and

931
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Speaker 1: it's a career as a personal trainer as I said

932
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Speaker 1: just now, you know, and it's if you don't look

933
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,940
Speaker 1: the part, um you know, people have a lot of

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Speaker 1: things to say and I mean, I'm with you, you

935
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Speaker 1: guys as well, like it definitely gets to you when

936
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Speaker 1: someone says like, okay, she looks chubby, like chubby to

937
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Speaker 1: be a personal trainer and that's something I got when

938
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Speaker 1: I was doing no sweat when I was doing that

939
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Speaker 1: fitness show, They're like, how is she giving us advice

940
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Speaker 1: when she looks like she does not go to the

941
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Speaker 1: gym or she

942
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Speaker 2: looks like she doesn't

943
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Speaker 2: lift.

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Speaker 1: So they have all these comments, but I think that

945
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Speaker 1: what is very important that is you kind of develop

946
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Speaker 1: that resilience and and then you shift your focus to, okay,

947
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm working out not to please you guys,

948
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Speaker 1: I'm working out because I know I'm strong, I know

949
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Speaker 1: I'm fit and if you guys want to call me

950
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call me, like, like talk about my body,

951
00:40:34,450 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: um it's fine because I know I'm strong, I know

952
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,830
Speaker 1: I'm fit, I know what I'm doing. So I think

953
00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:42,330
Speaker 1: it's developing that confidence, especially with yourself and I think

954
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Speaker 1: that takes a

955
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Speaker 1: a long time, you know, and that's why you go

956
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Speaker 1: to the gym, that's why you eat well, because you

957
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,230
Speaker 1: want to develop that confidence. So if you guys can

958
00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: say whatever you want, I know that I'm fit and

959
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Speaker 1: healthy and I know my intentions are good.

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Speaker 2: What a great way to end this episode. I absolutely

961
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Speaker 2: love that we learn so much here today. Um honestly,

962
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Speaker 2: I'm coming out of this feeling very positive and wanting

963
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Speaker 2: to develop a more healthy relationship with food and also

964
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Speaker 2: with working out and all that and we hope for

965
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Speaker 2: all you listeners hear hash podcast as well. I hope

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Speaker 2: you have many things to take away from this episode

967
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Speaker 2: with that, thank you so much for tuning into this

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Speaker 2: episode of clarity's podcast. Don't forget to catch tiene as

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00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:23,649
Speaker 2: well as hazy on me. Watch me watch video on demand.

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Speaker 2: It's also on channel five. Every Wednesdays follow us on

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Speaker 2: instagram at its clarity dot co for more updates. That's right.

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Speaker 2: the beautiful tiene space, I know you guys are sick faces.

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Speaker 2: We hope not. Once again, I'm hazel, I'm a zero

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Speaker 2: and I'm jermaine and thank you. Thank you guys. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me. Thank

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Speaker 1: you.