WEBVTT - Sibutramine in detox slimming products

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<v Speaker 1>Now, health matters with Daniel Martin.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome into Health Matters right here on CN A 938.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Daniel Martin. And you heard about it on the

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<v Speaker 1>news this week on health matters how the Singapore Food

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<v Speaker 1>Agency has come up to say that it's detected

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<v Speaker 1>banned substances in three detox slimming food products sold online. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Our good friend Serman has been found to be amongst

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<v Speaker 1>the ingredients in two of these products and these are limo,

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<v Speaker 1>a detox slimming sachets and Limo s detox slimming sachets.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about this over the years ever since Sabin

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<v Speaker 1>was banned,

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<v Speaker 1>we have talked about it every now and then popping

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<v Speaker 1>up some of these food items. Why does it keep

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<v Speaker 1>doing that? Let's find out more about what we need

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<v Speaker 1>to understand when it comes to Subbu mean as we

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<v Speaker 1>encounter this latest banning, we're joined on today's edition by endocrinologist.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Ben, who's from endocrinology. Doctor. Welcome back. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>under better circumstances. Why do we keep hearing about sub? Ok,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with the basics. Remind everybody

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<v Speaker 1>what is

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<v Speaker 1>mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, see, but was a drug that was introduced in

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<v Speaker 2>the late 19 nineties. It was introduced as a weight

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<v Speaker 2>loss therapy. And so let's start by saying it was

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<v Speaker 2>a very effective weight loss therapy and how it works

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<v Speaker 2>is that it works within what we call neurotransmitters. So, ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>these are little chemicals that we

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<v Speaker 2>crete and one is the, one of the neurotransmitters. It

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<v Speaker 2>works on a serotonin. We might have heard of it

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<v Speaker 2>before is a mood hormone. And what it does is

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<v Speaker 2>that Cine affects serotonin. So it suppresses our appetite. So

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<v Speaker 2>we don't want to eat so much but more dangerously,

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<v Speaker 2>it affects what we call norepinephrine or a derivative of adrenaline.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know adrenaline, it makes our heart go faster.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the effects of the mean is increases

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<v Speaker 2>our metabolic rate, our heart goes faster. We produce more

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<v Speaker 2>heat and therefore people who take a mean actually lose weight.

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<v Speaker 2>The concern about it was in 2010, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>study looking at the effectiveness of sub and the dangers

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<v Speaker 2>of sub Bruine. And the problem with that is that

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<v Speaker 2>this study confirmed that anyone who took a dram,

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<v Speaker 2>although you lost weight, you are at increased risk of

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<v Speaker 2>developing heart disease and stroke. So because of that, the

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<v Speaker 2>drug was stopped. And then in most countries are all

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<v Speaker 2>across Asia Europe and the US, including Singapore. So

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<v Speaker 1>why does it keep popping up and turning up in

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<v Speaker 1>all these weight loss Sachs and products that we keep

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about it in the news all the time? A,

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<v Speaker 1>I think because it's just like you said, it was

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<v Speaker 1>effective in that purpose. So, maybe that's why we find

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<v Speaker 1>it bleeding into all these products.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think. Absolutely right. 222 components. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>most important thing is you hit the nail on the head.

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<v Speaker 2>It works. The problem is with cam is very good

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<v Speaker 2>at reducing weight and many times we don't see the

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<v Speaker 2>increased risk of heart disease and stroke, isn't it? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>because of course, it doesn't affect everyone, but there's an

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<v Speaker 2>increased risk. So many people, especially the

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<v Speaker 2>younger people, there's this thing called invincibility bias, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think when we were all a bit younger,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll never happen to me is that kind of attitude

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<v Speaker 2>that we have. Therefore, what they see is a, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>losing weight. Therefore, it must be fine and all these

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<v Speaker 2>side effects don't apply to me at all. So there's one.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a demand, the other one as well is

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<v Speaker 2>for such an established drug which has been along for

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<v Speaker 2>a

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<v Speaker 2>while. The compounded ingredients are known. What I mean by

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<v Speaker 2>that is that it's very possible for someone with basic

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<v Speaker 2>facilities to construct this drug. So you don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>really go any detail, this the ingredients and the method

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<v Speaker 2>of preparation is quite available. So if you have some

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<v Speaker 2>pharmacological knowledge and so forth, you can potentially make it,

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<v Speaker 2>but that comes with the danger as well. See I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I know some of the medications we have are, they

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<v Speaker 2>can be costly. But one of the reasons why they

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<v Speaker 2>are a little costly is because they are standards involved.

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<v Speaker 2>There's hygiene. There's the fact that if you're taking 1001

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<v Speaker 2>g of Panadol, you are getting about 1 g of Panadol.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with many of these things is that how

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<v Speaker 2>much are you actually

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<v Speaker 2>getting? And is there some quality control or are there

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<v Speaker 2>any contaminants within the drug itself that can be causing problems?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are people willing to take the risk to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where it could have a very well known impact

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<v Speaker 1>on your heart disease and stroke risk of other cardiovascular

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<v Speaker 1>diseases is the root cause. The fact that just so

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<v Speaker 1>many people and you've encountered many patients in this field

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>there are so many people that just need to and

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<v Speaker 1>want to lose weight the fast way.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I mean, if you look at it, statistics, there

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<v Speaker 2>was an IPSOS study done around the pandemic time. Shocking, well,

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<v Speaker 2>not shocking, more than half of Singaporeans want to lose weight. 55%

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<v Speaker 2>of us want to lose weight. And the problem is

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<v Speaker 2>I think for all of us who have tried to

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<v Speaker 2>lose weight before we are not always successful. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>most of us are not. And as due to a

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<v Speaker 2>variety of reasons, we

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<v Speaker 2>power lifestyle changes, availability of food and so forth and

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose the attraction of a drug, listen or what,

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<v Speaker 2>what is promised to the, to the consumers, all you

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<v Speaker 2>need to do is pop in this drug and you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to lose weight magically is very, very attractive. And

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<v Speaker 2>when someone takes this drug and they actually lose weight,

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<v Speaker 2>then they say, all right, this is, this is working

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<v Speaker 2>and I think is all the delivery as well.

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<v Speaker 2>The what is not highlighted to many people is the

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<v Speaker 2>potential side effects and how dangerous this is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think for the purpose of the discussion, the supplements

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<v Speaker 2>that were banned, I am not sure whether s to

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<v Speaker 2>mean was actually even mentioned in the ingredients. And so

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<v Speaker 2>many people may have been thinking they were taking natural

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<v Speaker 2>ingredients and so forth and clearly they didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>was inside.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's part of the problem. I was gonna ask like,

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<v Speaker 1>how come it's so easy for people to get access

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<v Speaker 1>to this? And then you realize it's being marketed in

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<v Speaker 1>these things that seem to be natural, healthy, inoffensive people

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<v Speaker 1>don't think of it as medication when it's a weight

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<v Speaker 1>loss shake and so on and so forth is not

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<v Speaker 1>the problem when it comes to online medication. I know

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<v Speaker 1>some people that log on to like I herb and

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<v Speaker 1>really buy supplements and magnesium and potassium and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>an actual medication. But this is like hidden medication in

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<v Speaker 1>a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. And I think the issue is all to do

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<v Speaker 2>with messaging, isn't it? At the end of the day?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not against supplements in general. I always

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<v Speaker 2>say that there should be a reason on why you

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<v Speaker 2>take the supplements. But I think we have to be

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<v Speaker 2>very cautious. I mean, we are lucky in Singapore that

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<v Speaker 2>the mainstream media

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<v Speaker 2>holds a great influence on people. But there's a huge

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<v Speaker 2>number of people who listen to social media, all the

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<v Speaker 2>things that is happening in Tik Tok and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>And the problem is the messaging that's going through here

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<v Speaker 2>can be quite misleading. People saying that, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you think this is all natural is all safe, but

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<v Speaker 2>you lose weight with no side effects at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's where the concern is, isn't it

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<v Speaker 2>that ultimately people are attracted to these options and not

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<v Speaker 2>really understanding that there is no easy fix to weight

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<v Speaker 2>reduction that ultimately, you know, that there are always, there

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<v Speaker 2>are things to their potential side effect even to supply

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<v Speaker 2>themselves. And we have to be aware of this and

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<v Speaker 2>there has to be some regulation involved. The problem with

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<v Speaker 2>the internet and so forth and availability of online products

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<v Speaker 2>is that you don't get that the ability to search

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<v Speaker 2>something to sell something online is very, very difficult to regulate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Well, I'm just, I'm so tired of seeing

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<v Speaker 1>weight loss shakes and there's so many of them online

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<v Speaker 1>and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just so tired. I mean, I can understand meal

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<v Speaker 1>replacement shakes and stuff like that. But can you honestly say,

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<v Speaker 1>as a doctor, have you ever seen a meal, a

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<v Speaker 1>weight loss shake that actually works, which doesn't have medication inside. It.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that the principle when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about weight loss shakes and so forth,

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<v Speaker 1>counter to the counter productive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, let's

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<v Speaker 2>be very clear. No matter what you're taking, as far

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<v Speaker 2>as weight loss is concerned, you need to put out

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<v Speaker 2>more than you put in from an energy perspective. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I suppose the meal replacement, if you are not

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<v Speaker 2>eating the ch and you're taking a meal replacement that

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<v Speaker 2>should work. You know, even when it comes down

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<v Speaker 2>to any form of therapy, whether medication or surgery, the

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<v Speaker 2>principle is the same, you need to put out more

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<v Speaker 2>than you put in and if you can't, and that

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<v Speaker 2>comes at some kind of cost to the human body

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to be some, I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 2>take this. Everything is just going to happen. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to sit down, I can eat what I like and

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<v Speaker 2>do what I like and I'm going to lose weight

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<v Speaker 2>and that hasn't happened in my experience and I wish

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<v Speaker 2>that there was, but there clearly isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>We will talk later on a little bit about what

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<v Speaker 1>actually works when it comes to a medical approach to

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<v Speaker 1>weight loss, but very quickly, can I touch base in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of you mentioned, these might be added and they're

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<v Speaker 1>working and that's why these are working. But then some

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<v Speaker 1>people may think, but I look at the ingredient list,

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<v Speaker 1>why like I don't see listed down there because you

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<v Speaker 1>bought this thing online and who knows where it's from

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not necessarily hs a approved, you're not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>gonna a recognize or be necessarily see

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<v Speaker 1>as an ingredient. Correct. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And this is again, where regulation comes in. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's so important that, you know, we, we need

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of protection. We don't know everything, isn't it

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<v Speaker 2>and how things are marketed, how things are put in together.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not, we are not always private that information. And,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, it's good that this was detected

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<v Speaker 2>but the FSA can't pick every single thing in the

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<v Speaker 2>market that's available, test every

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<v Speaker 2>everything and then make it safe for consumption. I probably

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds and thousands of things in the market today. And,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this was picked up very diligently, but probably

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<v Speaker 2>because more and more people were starting to use it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm quite certain that if we, you and I

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<v Speaker 2>started looking for now on the internet, we'll probably find

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<v Speaker 2>it

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<v Speaker 1>exactly. If we just, I just did a simple search

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<v Speaker 1>before this interview on weight loss shakes. And there were

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<v Speaker 1>so many that turned up on my Ecommerce platform. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>so I gotta ask you building on that, how can

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<v Speaker 1>we protect ourselves from unknowingly consuming subtrain? We didn't start

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<v Speaker 1>out wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>and then you just end up doing it by mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>How can we protect

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that the solution is actually more

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<v Speaker 2>straightforward than anything but the is the execution. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we have, first of all, we have to be very

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<v Speaker 2>cautious where we get our information and where our sources

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<v Speaker 2>of supplements from. I think that ultimately there has to

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<v Speaker 2>be regulation

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<v Speaker 2>and the tips to learn is this, if you start

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<v Speaker 2>going to these websites, which promise you everything, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to lose weight, you're not gonna have any side effects

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<v Speaker 2>and and shockingly is working, something is wrong. Ultimately, we

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<v Speaker 2>have to be very cautious again where we get our

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<v Speaker 2>information and get something from an approved site if necessary,

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<v Speaker 2>speak to your doctor, your diet, your qualified dieticians and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth. Because these are the sources that are correct.

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<v Speaker 2>And more importantly, they are the ones that are safe.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is that many of us we want natural,

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<v Speaker 2>we want a natural way of losing weight. I can

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<v Speaker 2>understand that, but it's difficult. And ultimately, when we are

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<v Speaker 2>promised some natural supplement, we tend to go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's all to do with messaging and listening to

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<v Speaker 2>the right sources, I think, and not believing everything you

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<v Speaker 2>see or hear So,

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<v Speaker 1>should we be using medication as

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<v Speaker 1>part of the weight loss

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<v Speaker 1>journey?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think there are very many effective weight

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<v Speaker 2>loss medications out there today. I think there are many,

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<v Speaker 2>many scientifically proven safe methods of losing weight. The problem

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<v Speaker 2>is when it comes down to such a general question,

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<v Speaker 2>the answer depends. I'll give you a simple scenario. General,

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine you have person a he's overweight, he's got

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<v Speaker 2>heart failure, he's got diabetes. You got arthritis of the

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<v Speaker 2>knees and all of this

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<v Speaker 2>is caused by his weight. Clearly, he needs medication or

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<v Speaker 2>surgery because he has very advanced disease versus the other

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<v Speaker 2>guy who's a little overweight blood pressure a bit high

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<v Speaker 2>and he's got nothing else. Then you ask yourself, does

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<v Speaker 2>he really need medication to lose weight because he needs

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<v Speaker 2>to lose a kilo, 2 kg and he will actually

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<v Speaker 2>get benefit from that. Then you think because they even

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that are approved for weight loss, which have

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<v Speaker 2>been shown to improve heart disease and so forth

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<v Speaker 2>and they are safe. There are side effects, nausea being

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<v Speaker 2>very common, gastrointestinal side effects. And you ask yourself, is

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<v Speaker 2>it really worth risking a young man or woman with

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<v Speaker 2>virtually no disease, exposing them to this drug? And we

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<v Speaker 2>know that many of these medications we try to stop,

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<v Speaker 2>but we can't. So we are potentially putting a young person,

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<v Speaker 2>minimal complications on a weight loss drug versus someone who

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<v Speaker 2>clearly will benefit from it

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<v Speaker 2>because he's got so many other issues. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that with reducing medication, very useful, very effective but choosing

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<v Speaker 2>a the right patient for it and that's, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>something we need to, the doctor needs to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>the individual, isn't it? You know, because it's very easy

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<v Speaker 2>for us to say, eat less exercise more, not everyone

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<v Speaker 2>can do it. So, so I think it has to

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<v Speaker 2>be an individualized approach. But you do see the complexity

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<v Speaker 2>here between the two people

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<v Speaker 2>already. It's difficult to find the right balance here. But

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<v Speaker 1>do the current weight loss medications have the same risks

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<v Speaker 1>as sibutramine where it could also ironically affect your heart

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<v Speaker 1>disease as well as stroke risk.

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<v Speaker 2>No, certainly not with the body of scientific evidence. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they are safer in the sense that

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<v Speaker 2>they don't cause stroke and heart disease. You will never

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<v Speaker 2>be approved at the moment. By the end of it,

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<v Speaker 2>it does have side effect, you know, and the common

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<v Speaker 2>side is again, gastrointestinal nausea, that sort of thing is common,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no end organ damage is in reversible damage

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<v Speaker 2>such as heart disease and stroke. So I think that

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<v Speaker 2>even every drug that you put in your mouth, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's for pain relief, whereas for blood pressure, whereas for

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<v Speaker 2>weight loss, there are side effects and we have to

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<v Speaker 2>be clear on that. And with any drug, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to balance the benefits. What we hope to achieve from

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<v Speaker 2>the drug and the potential risks of the drug and

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<v Speaker 2>that has to be balanced very, very closely clearly

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the line of sub to mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we know weight loss is good as offers that weight loss.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is that it's then counterbalance with that significant

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<v Speaker 2>increased risk of heart disease and stroke and clearly that

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<v Speaker 2>balance is unacceptable

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<v Speaker 1>just to end us off. Truly. I think what you

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier on resonates, which is the fact that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a very well known compound. It's gonna be quite

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<v Speaker 1>easy for people at manufacture and synthesize. We're probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see it turn up in online items

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<v Speaker 1>every now and then. I've been talking about it for

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<v Speaker 1>years on the show and it just keeps popping up

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom line is where the first line of defense

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<v Speaker 1>because facing the ecommerce world, it's about us in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of what don't look for the miracle drink and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>be keenly aware about something that's too good to be true,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to weight loss.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. And I think the important thing is my best

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<v Speaker 2>advice would be, as you say, if it sounds too

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<v Speaker 2>good to be true is probably not true. Second of all,

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<v Speaker 2>be very aware, I mean, that the source,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when you talk about medication or supplementation that causes

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<v Speaker 2>weight reduction, there is no easy fix. So if something

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<v Speaker 2>seems too easy, it's probably, it's probably too easy. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think the sources of information that we get from

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<v Speaker 2>social media and all that very attractive the way they

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<v Speaker 2>do things nowadays. Absolutely incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>We, I did a story in some of the reviews

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<v Speaker 1>are being written by A I now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's amazing. So you see that, so the problems you

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<v Speaker 2>can't really trust everything you see

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<v Speaker 2>online. So I think coming to the mainstream sources of

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<v Speaker 2>information is very, very important and relying on the professionals

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<v Speaker 2>such as your health care provider, your gp's your specialist.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the ones I think you probably need to

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<v Speaker 2>put your trust in rather than someone who's posing on

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram or Tik Tok. And we don't really know whether

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<v Speaker 2>they actually, they say what they are, what they say,

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<v Speaker 2>what they mean, or they're advertising, what we think they

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<v Speaker 2>are advertising.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. And also what you're saying is

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<v Speaker 1>listening to health matters and any show I do because

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<v Speaker 1>18 years of running, that's the health professional. Hey, doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. Appreciate your time today. Doctor, be

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<v Speaker 1>endocrinologist from endocrinology, reminding us about the dangers of Sebum.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's just popped up in two more weight loss

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<v Speaker 1>shakes that have been identified by the Singapore. The S

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<v Speaker 1>fa actually, you can read about it on CN A

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<v Speaker 1>dot Asia. Now, we know of course, a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about how we can protect ourselves against unknowingly consuming sin.

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<v Speaker 1>It's health matters. I'm Daniel Martin. Thanks for joining me

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<v Speaker 1>before making any decisions. Based on the information in our program,

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<v Speaker 1>please consult a medical professional.