WEBVTT - On fertility issues, unplanned pregnancies and male birth control 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:05.560 Hey Sonia, Welcome to another episode of Men, explain 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:14.510 it is our final episode of the season and obviously 0:00:14.510 --> 0:00:16.860 we saved the best for last. The most controversial guest 0:00:16.860 --> 0:00:21.450 of all its vernon a controversial Yes. 100%. He needs 0:00:21.450 --> 0:00:24.329 no introduction. Obviously you would recognize him as one half 0:00:24.329 --> 0:00:26.870 of the buttons and it's very funny because you interviewed 0:00:26.870 --> 0:00:29.560 me for martin sandwich podcast. I'm interviewing you, that's why 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.370 it's so cool. You're returning the courtesy. Exactly ran out 0:00:32.370 --> 0:00:32.810 of guesses. 0:00:32.830 --> 0:00:38.530 No, no, lo okay before everything. How are you? 0:00:38.540 --> 0:00:40.450 I'm doing okay. I mean 0:00:40.540 --> 0:00:44.320 We're on the same time belt now now that you've 0:00:44.330 --> 0:00:46.540 jumped in the morning on 987, so that's pretty cool. 0:00:46.540 --> 0:00:48.370 So we get to see each other every day exactly 0:00:48.380 --> 0:00:50.870 before that we hadn't seen each other in like two 0:00:50.870 --> 0:00:51.339 years 0:00:51.350 --> 0:00:54.100 Like we barely even caught up, you know, but I 0:00:54.100 --> 0:00:57.100 have to say waking up at 4:45 is fun 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.620 fun times. I have to say, 0:01:00.630 --> 0:01:02.200 You look at 4 45, 0:01:02.250 --> 0:01:03.080 what time you wake up? 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:04.040 She's late for work every day. 0:01:04.050 --> 0:01:07.260 No, I'm not. I get there at like 5 30. No, 0:01:07.260 --> 0:01:11.850 you do. It will be okay, it's day two. So 0:01:11.860 --> 0:01:12.780 ask me again 0:01:12.790 --> 0:01:16.880 in a week today, we're talking about fertility and having Children. 0:01:16.890 --> 0:01:18.970 This is a bit of a more serious topic that 0:01:18.970 --> 0:01:20.449 we're addressing here today, right? And 0:01:20.540 --> 0:01:23.060 I don't think we've actually managed to talk about this in, 0:01:23.060 --> 0:01:24.730 you know, on a platform like that. We were always 0:01:24.730 --> 0:01:27.810 just catching up as friends, you know, like chatting what's 0:01:27.810 --> 0:01:29.760 going on in our lives and all that this time 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.060 around is a little bit more of 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.440 a subject that a lot of people my age are 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:40.050 also curious about, right? Sure. And you clearly have no problems. 0:01:40.060 --> 0:01:43.090 You have three kids now. Congratulations by the way, all 0:01:43.090 --> 0:01:46.670 the kids, Yeah. How has this journey as a parent 0:01:46.670 --> 0:01:47.760 been so far, 0:01:47.770 --> 0:01:48.890 financially draining? 0:01:48.890 --> 0:01:50.840 Yeah. 0:01:50.850 --> 0:01:53.270 No, but once you set up to start a family, 0:01:53.270 --> 0:01:57.330 you know, it's never looked back and all I I 0:01:57.330 --> 0:01:59.680 wish I didn't have kids point, you know, because once 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.260 you have kids, you you obviously love them and 0:02:02.340 --> 0:02:04.570 and you want to nurture and and watch them grow 0:02:04.580 --> 0:02:06.960 into young adults and adults hopefully 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.210 and be your moneymaker when you're older so that you 0:02:10.210 --> 0:02:13.540 can relax and they can just send you money every day, 0:02:13.650 --> 0:02:14.580 but 0:02:14.650 --> 0:02:17.230 That's that's the grand plan. But yeah, I mean, you know, 0:02:17.230 --> 0:02:19.930 it's been all fun. My eldest is 19 this year, 0:02:19.930 --> 0:02:20.540 can you believe? 0:02:20.550 --> 0:02:21.630 So grown up 0:02:21.630 --> 0:02:25.299 19, he's taller than me, he tells me to do 0:02:25.300 --> 0:02:26.450 housework now. 0:02:26.540 --> 0:02:31.020 two young ones, one is 3 and one is a 0:02:31.030 --> 0:02:31.910 year and three 0:02:31.910 --> 0:02:33.260 months. 0:02:33.340 --> 0:02:36.700 Well, I mean obviously at the time, I think you 0:02:36.700 --> 0:02:39.790 mentioned earlier on that you didn't quite plan for the 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:40.750 most recent. 0:02:41.139 --> 0:02:42.059 Yeah, 0:02:42.070 --> 0:02:46.530 it was just it just happened obviously and I don't 0:02:46.530 --> 0:02:48.600 think I need to explain how these kind of things happen, 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.060 but yeah, so but I mean we we we took 0:02:52.060 --> 0:02:53.910 it with with a lot of joy because you know, 0:02:53.910 --> 0:02:54.959 we've always wanted a 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.440 not a large family, but you know, a family of 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.549 Children running around the house and stuff like that. We 0:02:59.550 --> 0:02:59.690 have 0:02:59.690 --> 0:03:00.630 to make dogs and 0:03:00.630 --> 0:03:02.560 the dogs. Yeah, I got two dogs as well, so 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.959 and we had to make some personal alterations because you know, 0:03:05.970 --> 0:03:07.850 we had to get a bigger place so that you know, 0:03:07.860 --> 0:03:10.210 everybody had a bit of their own space and stuff 0:03:10.210 --> 0:03:13.530 like that. So yeah, but you know, those were easy 0:03:13.530 --> 0:03:15.360 and and fun things to do that. I 0:03:15.370 --> 0:03:17.989 Mean it was interesting because when we first went or 0:03:17.990 --> 0:03:20.060 rather when I first joined 97 and when we started, 0:03:20.060 --> 0:03:20.960 you know, hanging out with that, 0:03:21.139 --> 0:03:23.560 it was a smaller home that you had your home, 0:03:23.570 --> 0:03:25.320 you know, it was a little bit more of like 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.020 you guys were living like a couple of life, you know, 0:03:28.020 --> 0:03:29.700 and then the family started getting bigger. 0:03:29.700 --> 0:03:32.950 Exactly, yeah, it also grew and we needed more space, 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.620 but it feels rewarding. I'm sure for them, especially for jane, right? 0:03:36.620 --> 0:03:37.570 She loves kids as well. 0:03:37.580 --> 0:03:39.370 Yeah, for sure. I mean she's she's a great mom, 0:03:39.370 --> 0:03:42.860 she's a stay well she's a stay home mom, 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.330 but she does, you know, do some work on the 0:03:45.330 --> 0:03:46.300 side and stuff like that. That's 0:03:46.300 --> 0:03:48.270 content creation. Yes, quite a 0:03:48.270 --> 0:03:50.450 bit. But you know, she I don't think she'll trade 0:03:50.450 --> 0:03:52.290 it for anything else because like, you know, she she 0:03:52.290 --> 0:03:54.710 literally plans the kids, they like, like what they do 0:03:54.710 --> 0:03:56.500 from the time they wake up till they go to bed. 0:03:56.500 --> 0:03:58.390 So I think I'm very fortunate that way because I 0:03:58.390 --> 0:04:00.900 have someone, you know, my partner who's, who's willing to 0:04:00.900 --> 0:04:02.920 do these things so that I can come out and 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.040 work and do my thing 0:04:04.050 --> 0:04:05.790 when it came to having kids. Did you guys have 0:04:05.790 --> 0:04:09.620 a big long drawn conversation before you got married or 0:04:09.630 --> 0:04:10.820 after you got married? 0:04:10.820 --> 0:04:13.920 Yeah. And I know exactly what, you know why you're 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.740 asking this question where it comes from? Because I know 0:04:15.740 --> 0:04:17.690 a lot of people who are like that, they literally, 0:04:17.690 --> 0:04:20.320 you know, plan out their their lives and they have 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.560 Goals right over by 27. I must get married by 30. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.020 I'm going to my first kid. Like, you know, 0:04:24.029 --> 0:04:25.740 it's the reason I married my wife because we have 0:04:25.740 --> 0:04:26.750 no goals whatsoever. 0:04:26.940 --> 0:04:31.359 We, we, we barely plan for anything except holidays. Yeah. So, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.420 you know, it was never a conversation where you know, 0:04:33.420 --> 0:04:35.460 how many kids do we want? 0:04:35.540 --> 0:04:38.860 What schools do they go to? We still don't know. Yeah. So, 0:04:38.860 --> 0:04:41.150 so we're not kind of planners in that sense. We 0:04:41.150 --> 0:04:43.529 like to enjoy each other's company and what comes out 0:04:43.529 --> 0:04:45.610 of that, obviously we enjoy each other's company too much. 0:04:45.610 --> 0:04:47.560 Like so many Children. Right? 0:04:47.740 --> 0:04:48.809 But all 0:04:48.810 --> 0:04:50.020 the information we needed. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.330 Exactly. Right. I mean that's how kids come about and 0:04:53.330 --> 0:04:55.560 you just go with the flow and you enjoy it 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.200 and you know, yeah, it's harder for us to have 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.490 a couple of times now because of the two little 0:05:00.490 --> 0:05:03.000 ones running around, but that in itself, you know, taking 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.050 care of the kids together. It's a couple 0:05:05.050 --> 0:05:06.080 times. It is rewarding. 0:05:06.089 --> 0:05:09.029 You don't really need time alone to spend time with 0:05:09.029 --> 0:05:09.480 each other. 0:05:09.490 --> 0:05:12.390 Yes. Yes. And I can see that she's enjoying the process. 0:05:12.390 --> 0:05:14.690 You know, she's absolutely glowing as well just following her 0:05:14.690 --> 0:05:16.560 on social media. I mean she's so happy, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.039 but you know, obviously with a lot of us nowadays, 0:05:20.050 --> 0:05:24.620 sometimes we don't necessarily also want to have kids. I 0:05:24.620 --> 0:05:26.859 don't know like, you know what you have then 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.260 proceeded to also get together and settle down if she 0:05:30.260 --> 0:05:32.110 didn't want to have kids or for 0:05:32.110 --> 0:05:34.340 sure. I mean, you know, it doesn't matter for me, 0:05:34.339 --> 0:05:38.200 it doesn't matter. It's really all about personal choice. I 0:05:38.210 --> 0:05:40.720 think the thing with me and J and my wife 0:05:40.730 --> 0:05:41.560 is that 0:05:41.740 --> 0:05:45.109 like I said, we're not planners. So we never said, 0:05:45.110 --> 0:05:47.320 oh I want kids. And the other one said, I 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.659 don't want kids. You know, we're always like, let's see 0:05:49.660 --> 0:05:51.200 if it happens, it happens if it doesn't and it 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:52.099 wasn't a deal breaker. 0:05:52.110 --> 0:05:53.820 No, it wasn't a deal breaker. In fact, it came 0:05:53.820 --> 0:05:55.839 to a point where she said, you know, she really 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.380 wanted to start a family and I was all for 0:05:57.380 --> 0:05:58.359 it because, you know, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.410 I love Children as well, you know, not necessarily my own. 0:06:02.410 --> 0:06:04.580 I love my my nieces and nephews and stuff so 0:06:04.580 --> 0:06:06.150 so I thought okay yeah it'll be fun 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.910 and it was a bit of a long term process 0:06:08.910 --> 0:06:11.370 as well because initially we found it a bit hard 0:06:11.370 --> 0:06:14.400 to conceive. We took like after three years of trying 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.849 with you know I mean not that I'm complaining because 0:06:16.850 --> 0:06:18.160 practice makes perfect right but 0:06:18.540 --> 0:06:18.710 but 0:06:18.710 --> 0:06:19.950 you have a lot of practice practice 0:06:19.950 --> 0:06:23.160 every day but still no kids. So so we decided 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.159 to see a fertility clinic and they helped us out 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.210 and stuff like that. So so we went through a 0:06:28.220 --> 0:06:32.740 minor procedure and voila you know number two came along 0:06:32.750 --> 0:06:36.460 and then without even trying the next time just practicing 0:06:36.460 --> 0:06:37.460 on it. But 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.289 Number three came along. So we're like hey 0:06:40.300 --> 0:06:41.390 perfected the craft already 0:06:41.390 --> 0:06:44.750 exactly what I didn't have to call the doctor for help. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:45.690 I 0:06:45.700 --> 0:06:47.800 mean that's very nicely into what I was going to 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.979 ask you next because you and jane were both quite 0:06:49.990 --> 0:06:53.710 open about the whole process about consulting a doctor and stuff. 0:06:53.710 --> 0:06:56.029 So I mean I think you know with medical advances 0:06:56.029 --> 0:06:58.900 nowadays it's not like a taboo thing anymore people just 0:06:58.910 --> 0:07:01.270 you know openly want to share as well because other 0:07:01.270 --> 0:07:05.170 couples are also concerned about fertility issues and they're looking 0:07:05.170 --> 0:07:06.159 into such options. 0:07:06.339 --> 0:07:08.200 So if you don't mind could you share like how 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.720 that came about the kind of process you guys went through. 0:07:10.730 --> 0:07:13.130 We were fortunate in the sense that when we decided 0:07:13.130 --> 0:07:16.570 to go get help with fertility and all that. And 0:07:16.580 --> 0:07:20.400 a good friend of us recommended this amazing doctor. It 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.580 was funny because we we had an appointment with him. 0:07:22.590 --> 0:07:27.140 We went in, we answered some basic information uh and 0:07:27.140 --> 0:07:30.630 he asked over and I believe you have an elder 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.070 son as well. And yeah and he was like okay 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.760 I guarantee you you guys would be pregnant in a 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:37.260 few months 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:38.380 seriously. 0:07:38.390 --> 0:07:41.210 And just like that with with those words me and 0:07:41.210 --> 0:07:43.760 jane left the office smiling and really getting 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.360 pregnant already. Exactly, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:46.160 right. Yeah. Like 0:07:46.170 --> 0:07:47.150 just so 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.300 much and I just said but but seriously? I mean 0:07:51.300 --> 0:07:54.790 you know the those those words really left us with 0:07:54.790 --> 0:07:57.120 the weight of our shoulders. We thought like oh my goodness, 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.180 you know three years something must be wrong with either 0:07:59.180 --> 0:08:02.000 one of us. We we just didn't know and once 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.750 he said that we left happy in the next couple 0:08:04.750 --> 0:08:07.830 of treatments were breeze and there we go, boom. You 0:08:07.830 --> 0:08:09.500 know my my my son came 0:08:09.500 --> 0:08:13.220 about when you see treatments, what exactly was to be 0:08:13.220 --> 0:08:14.680 done during those treatments. 0:08:14.690 --> 0:08:17.940 Well it was more of an extraction put together and 0:08:17.940 --> 0:08:19.679 put back kind of treatment. I 0:08:19.690 --> 0:08:21.300 it's a lot simpler than it. 0:08:21.310 --> 0:08:24.580 Yeah, I like to man Splain things sometimes because 0:08:24.590 --> 0:08:25.680 this is why you on the show. 0:08:25.690 --> 0:08:30.760 That's true because the technical and an actual procedure of it. 0:08:30.770 --> 0:08:32.850 If I started to explain 0:08:32.940 --> 0:08:36.070 a lot of people I think the cameraman was and 0:08:36.100 --> 0:08:37.480 and cringe about, I 0:08:37.490 --> 0:08:39.060 vaguely remember you, 0:08:39.070 --> 0:08:41.840 I must have told you this before. The needle is 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.250 this long, it goes into your 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.709 testicles. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:47.170 Yeah. 0:08:47.179 --> 0:08:49.500 Well, sure. Okay, the the scientific, 0:08:49.690 --> 0:08:53.310 scientific, sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm a DJ like, simplify things on, 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.900 so 0:08:55.910 --> 0:09:01.819 it extracts semen, right, And they do a on site 0:09:01.820 --> 0:09:05.250 test while it's being extracted, The doctor just sitting there 0:09:05.260 --> 0:09:07.770 chatting with me about life in general, 0:09:07.780 --> 0:09:08.750 you know, the 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.360 radio show? Yeah, he wasn't very distracting though, because 0:09:12.540 --> 0:09:13.079 like, 0:09:13.179 --> 0:09:13.949 if there's one thing I'm 0:09:13.950 --> 0:09:14.719 just being very much 0:09:14.730 --> 0:09:19.849 vernon's tolerance for pain is rather high, I mean, 0:09:19.860 --> 0:09:20.380 it's 0:09:20.390 --> 0:09:22.740 exactly like that must have been, you know, and he 0:09:22.740 --> 0:09:25.449 says his pain, it's pain, it's 0:09:25.450 --> 0:09:29.059 a very interesting feeling uncomfortable, something you've never felt before, 0:09:29.059 --> 0:09:30.150 because it's down there. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:31.290 Yeah, 0:09:31.300 --> 0:09:33.490 and you will never, you know, go and get down 0:09:33.490 --> 0:09:37.599 there unless you're so when that happened, you know, and 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.810 and and and they literally did an on site test 0:09:39.809 --> 0:09:41.920 and they're like, yeah, you're good to go, everything is 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.390 healthy and fine. So, you know, that's step one of 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:49.079 the relief. And then when when jane wielding what they 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:53.060 did was they extracted some eggs from from her, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.209 I don't even know what the scientific term is, but 0:09:55.210 --> 0:09:58.910 I want to say stomach over really uterus, like. Yeah, yeah. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.280 Uh Yeah, so and they tested the eggs as well, 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.300 and the eggs were fine. And so what they did 0:10:05.309 --> 0:10:07.339 in the lab was put two and two together. They 0:10:07.340 --> 0:10:08.760 tell you how many 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.140 good to. Excellent. 0:10:11.140 --> 0:10:14.179 Good. They have different grades by the way a one 0:10:14.190 --> 0:10:17.150 it will be. Yeah then they just ask you okay 0:10:17.150 --> 0:10:18.850 so you want to pick one If not we'll just 0:10:18.850 --> 0:10:21.330 choose the best one and we'll put it back into 0:10:21.340 --> 0:10:22.760 jane and 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.459 hope for the best. I've heard a lot of stories 0:10:25.460 --> 0:10:27.089 where you know sometimes it doesn't work out for some 0:10:27.090 --> 0:10:30.120 couples and it's very hard heart wrenching because you know 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.760 you're in that mode where 0:10:31.940 --> 0:10:32.430 it's 0:10:32.429 --> 0:10:33.620 emotional and physical, 0:10:33.620 --> 0:10:36.060 correct? Yeah. You really want the child. You have to 0:10:36.059 --> 0:10:40.070 go through a few procedures like like injection self injections 0:10:40.100 --> 0:10:43.449 which are very painful by the way does very very painful. 0:10:43.450 --> 0:10:44.910 You have to do it did you have to do it? 0:10:45.020 --> 0:10:45.370 I 0:10:45.380 --> 0:10:48.710 did it for Jamie and yeah so you know it's 0:10:48.710 --> 0:10:51.770 never a nice procedure to go through especially for things 0:10:51.770 --> 0:10:55.160 not to work but for us it worked immediately and 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.630 and we had a baby. Exactly and the doctor's words 0:10:57.630 --> 0:10:59.510 was so true I'll get you pregnant and 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:00.250 wow. 0:11:00.260 --> 0:11:03.150 So it was incredible. Very nice process. 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.920 We need to interview this doctor next sure. 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.530 He's really good by the way and it's very hard 0:11:07.530 --> 0:11:09.020 to get because he's so popular. 0:11:09.030 --> 0:11:11.700 Right. Right And then the next kid just came naturally 0:11:11.700 --> 0:11:11.970 almost 0:11:11.970 --> 0:11:15.840 and it yeah of our last child came naturally. 0:11:15.850 --> 0:11:19.280 Yeah. Fantastic. Well I mean I think another fantastic piece 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.059 of news is increasing because it's freezing has been a 0:11:22.059 --> 0:11:24.980 topic of conversation for so long. That's right. And, you know, 0:11:24.980 --> 0:11:26.780 there have been many people trying to advocate for it 0:11:26.780 --> 0:11:28.590 and all and you know, I'm not sure what your 0:11:28.590 --> 0:11:31.980 thoughts are as well, because when it comes to say, 0:11:31.980 --> 0:11:33.860 you know, my peers around my age, you know, even 0:11:33.860 --> 0:11:35.559 in their twenties to early thirties, 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.540 they're still not at the stage or even for myself. Like, 0:11:38.540 --> 0:11:40.069 I don't know whether I am ready to have a 0:11:40.070 --> 0:11:41.939 kid yet. You know, I'm not even married at this 0:11:41.940 --> 0:11:43.960 point yet. And a lot of my peers also like, 0:11:43.970 --> 0:11:46.070 I don't know, I don't know, but I do want 0:11:46.070 --> 0:11:49.600 to have the option to have a kid in the future. So, 0:11:49.610 --> 0:11:52.700 and you should have that choice. You should have the option. Yeah. 0:11:52.710 --> 0:11:54.050 You know, it's not that the 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.110 the medicine and the technology is not available, it has 0:11:58.110 --> 0:12:01.690 been for a long time. I'm just really glad that 0:12:01.700 --> 0:12:05.410 finally Singapore opening up this kind of treatment for, you know, 0:12:05.410 --> 0:12:08.230 young ladies who want to plan for the future, but 0:12:08.230 --> 0:12:09.860 are not ready to take that next step. 0:12:09.940 --> 0:12:12.480 But do you think it's considered or was considered quite 0:12:12.490 --> 0:12:14.760 taboo in the past to talk about this? Because, 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.189 you know, it's freezing. I mean, some people are like, 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.210 we can't even explore this option. Like it's selfish, It's 0:12:20.210 --> 0:12:22.270 not ethically right? Whatever what you thought. 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.140 I've seen some of those comments. And I just think 0:12:26.140 --> 0:12:29.430 to myself, why is it your problem that I want 0:12:29.429 --> 0:12:32.310 to be selfish, It's my life. I get to choose 0:12:32.309 --> 0:12:34.980 my path and what I need to do now, I mean, 0:12:34.980 --> 0:12:37.860 let's let's be honest, Singapore is not an easy place 0:12:37.860 --> 0:12:41.110 to raise Children. Everything. Yeah. And obviously, so you want 0:12:41.110 --> 0:12:44.200 to be financially stable before you start a family and 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:44.650 you know, 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.560 you know, go on to other things as well. I 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.670 believe another reason why egg freezing was not allowed in. 0:12:50.670 --> 0:12:52.699 Singapore is also religious. 0:12:52.710 --> 0:12:53.630 Yes. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.390 So, you know, I'm glad that everybody's, you know, it's 2022. 0:12:57.390 --> 0:13:00.329 I'm glad that everybody has come to a consensus that, 0:13:00.340 --> 0:13:04.320 you know, we should allow this, put aside their religious 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.160 beliefs and traditional beliefs. And 0:13:06.540 --> 0:13:09.700 let's let's move towards a nation where we can make 0:13:09.700 --> 0:13:12.770 this decision for ourselves because otherwise we're never going to progress, 0:13:12.770 --> 0:13:15.350 we just have to keep moving forward. There are worse 0:13:15.350 --> 0:13:16.760 things that are 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:22.179 being considered or even approved than egg freezing. So it's 0:13:22.179 --> 0:13:24.040 about time that this has finally happened for. 0:13:24.050 --> 0:13:26.450 Exactly. I only found out about this recently because a 0:13:26.450 --> 0:13:29.849 friend of mine got pregnant 35 and it was considered 0:13:29.860 --> 0:13:32.929 a geriatric pregnancy. I didn't even know that there was 0:13:32.929 --> 0:13:34.470 a term for it. And they call it a geriatric 0:13:34.470 --> 0:13:37.210 pregnancy means they're very old to conceive 0:13:37.220 --> 0:13:40.970 apparently because, you know, some women and and their bodies 0:13:40.970 --> 0:13:43.160 find it difficult to go through the process of pregnancy. 0:13:43.170 --> 0:13:45.910 Yeah, exactly. And the thing is, you know, for certain, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.809 some of my friends who are like in their late 0:13:47.820 --> 0:13:50.530 thirties at this point, they are worried that, you know, 0:13:50.530 --> 0:13:52.360 they haven't even found the one they want to settle 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:53.660 down with or they haven't 0:13:53.740 --> 0:13:55.720 Found that stable partner yet and they want to have 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.440 the option in the future to still have a kid. 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.870 I think that's honestly a wonderful thing because with medical 0:14:00.870 --> 0:14:04.420 advances nowadays, having a kid at in your late 30s 0:14:04.429 --> 0:14:06.750 isn't exactly that bad anymore. Right. 0:14:06.750 --> 0:14:09.390 So, so for you, a person who's who's, you know, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.190 out and about on the go all the time, very, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.260 very successful in your in your career and all that, 0:14:13.340 --> 0:14:16.580 would you consider something like that? Like, like egg freezing? 0:14:16.590 --> 0:14:20.340 I would actually, because, you know, I don't even know 0:14:20.350 --> 0:14:23.840 the status of like my fertility to be very honest. Like, 0:14:23.850 --> 0:14:25.730 and it's just a thing who 0:14:25.740 --> 0:14:26.620 does like 0:14:26.630 --> 0:14:29.390 casually walk and find out, you know, I have not 0:14:29.390 --> 0:14:32.840 done that. Um Jeremy obviously has no problems because he 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.070 also has three kids from a previous marriage has already. 0:14:36.070 --> 0:14:36.560 So 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.350 um I would definitely, if I want to settle down 0:14:38.350 --> 0:14:40.820 in the future would have to go check it out. Right? 0:14:40.830 --> 0:14:43.450 And I mean, this is, you know, we've gotten to 0:14:43.450 --> 0:14:45.520 know you tuning in right now to this podcast for 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.100 a long time. So I'm not afraid to also share 0:14:47.100 --> 0:14:50.220 that over the past years. I also am on contraceptives 0:14:50.220 --> 0:14:53.160 and it started off as a thing for my skin 0:14:53.170 --> 0:14:56.170 issues back in the past and it's known to help 0:14:56.170 --> 0:14:57.540 your acne problems and stuff like 0:14:57.540 --> 0:14:58.960 that. 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:01.610 I would be worried if you took any sort of 0:15:01.610 --> 0:15:05.620 contraceptives for your skin. You know, I feel like it 0:15:05.620 --> 0:15:08.370 is sometimes a little bit of a taboo thing where 0:15:08.370 --> 0:15:10.120 people don't want to talk about it, you know. But 0:15:10.130 --> 0:15:12.820 a lot of my peers are on contraceptives and it 0:15:12.820 --> 0:15:13.960 just makes them feel more 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.250 safe in a relationship or you know, and you don't 0:15:16.250 --> 0:15:18.450 want unplanned pregnancies as well for 0:15:18.450 --> 0:15:22.050 the longest time. I've always felt, you know, women have 0:15:22.050 --> 0:15:25.940 this option of contraceptives via pills. You d and things 0:15:25.940 --> 0:15:27.979 like that. Right? Guys only have condoms. 0:15:28.540 --> 0:15:29.020 That's a bit 0:15:29.020 --> 0:15:29.960 unfair options. 0:15:29.970 --> 0:15:31.620 Yeah, we literally have no other 0:15:31.620 --> 0:15:32.480 options. Right? 0:15:32.500 --> 0:15:36.260 Exactly. That's it. Unless you go get a vasectomy, which 0:15:36.270 --> 0:15:41.240 is a major step in in your your your reproducing journey. 0:15:41.250 --> 0:15:45.080 So so you know, it's a bit unfair. I feel 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.550 that's one way of doing it. But you know, a 0:15:48.550 --> 0:15:49.860 lot of guys will feel 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.530 no I don't like using that prevent me from having Children. 0:15:54.540 --> 0:15:57.730 First of all, the whole experience of the baby making 0:15:57.740 --> 0:16:01.260 is less pleasurable. So you know, 0:16:01.340 --> 0:16:03.320 maybe we should we should come up with a male 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.090 contraceptive pills. I mean allow male contraceptive pills. 0:16:06.100 --> 0:16:09.090 So on that note I'm guessing, you know overseas, especially 0:16:09.090 --> 0:16:12.490 like this whole concept of a male contraceptive pill is 0:16:12.490 --> 0:16:13.360 still being 0:16:13.540 --> 0:16:15.550 um looked at at this point in time 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.770 did research research. 0:16:17.780 --> 0:16:20.430 And that's the thing because you play around with hormones, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.850 you play around with your body. You know, like it's, 0:16:22.850 --> 0:16:25.140