Speaker 1: Hey Sonia, Welcome to another episode of Men, explain
Speaker 1: it is our final episode of the season and obviously
Speaker 1: we saved the best for last. The most controversial guest
Speaker 1: of all its vernon a controversial Yes. 100%. He needs
Speaker 1: no introduction. Obviously you would recognize him as one half
Speaker 1: of the buttons and it's very funny because you interviewed
Speaker 1: me for martin sandwich podcast. I'm interviewing you, that's why
Speaker 2: it's so cool. You're returning the courtesy. Exactly ran out
Speaker 2: of guesses.
Speaker 1: No, no, lo okay before everything. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing okay. I mean
Speaker 2: We're on the same time belt now now that you've
Speaker 2: jumped in the morning on 987, so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: So we get to see each other every day exactly
Speaker 2: before that we hadn't seen each other in like two
Speaker 2: years
Speaker 1: Like we barely even caught up, you know, but I
Speaker 1: have to say waking up at 4:45 is fun
Speaker 1: fun times. I have to say,
Speaker 2: You look at 4 45,
Speaker 1: what time you wake up?
Speaker 2: She's late for work every day.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I get there at like 5 30. No,
Speaker 1: you do. It will be okay, it's day two. So
Speaker 2: ask me again
Speaker 1: in a week today, we're talking about fertility and having Children.
Speaker 1: This is a bit of a more serious topic that
Speaker 1: we're addressing here today, right? And
Speaker 1: I don't think we've actually managed to talk about this in,
Speaker 1: you know, on a platform like that. We were always
Speaker 1: just catching up as friends, you know, like chatting what's
Speaker 1: going on in our lives and all that this time
Speaker 1: around is a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a subject that a lot of people my age are
Speaker 1: also curious about, right? Sure. And you clearly have no problems.
Speaker 1: You have three kids now. Congratulations by the way, all
Speaker 1: the kids, Yeah. How has this journey as a parent
Speaker 1: been so far,
Speaker 2: financially draining?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, but once you set up to start a family,
Speaker 2: you know, it's never looked back and all I I
Speaker 2: wish I didn't have kids point, you know, because once
Speaker 2: you have kids, you you obviously love them and
Speaker 2: and you want to nurture and and watch them grow
Speaker 2: into young adults and adults hopefully
Speaker 2: and be your moneymaker when you're older so that you
Speaker 2: can relax and they can just send you money every day,
Speaker 1: but
Speaker 2: That's that's the grand plan. But yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it's been all fun. My eldest is 19 this year,
Speaker 2: can you believe?
Speaker 1: So grown up
Speaker 2: 19, he's taller than me, he tells me to do
Speaker 2: housework now.
Speaker 2: two young ones, one is 3 and one is a
Speaker 2: year and three
Speaker 1: months.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean obviously at the time, I think you
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier on that you didn't quite plan for the
Speaker 1: most recent.
Speaker 1: Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just it just happened obviously and I don't
Speaker 2: think I need to explain how these kind of things happen,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so but I mean we we we took
Speaker 2: it with with a lot of joy because you know,
Speaker 2: we've always wanted a
Speaker 2: not a large family, but you know, a family of
Speaker 2: Children running around the house and stuff like that. We
Speaker 2: have
Speaker 1: to make dogs and
Speaker 2: the dogs. Yeah, I got two dogs as well, so
Speaker 2: and we had to make some personal alterations because you know,
Speaker 2: we had to get a bigger place so that you know,
Speaker 2: everybody had a bit of their own space and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So yeah, but you know, those were easy
Speaker 2: and and fun things to do that. I
Speaker 1: Mean it was interesting because when we first went or
Speaker 1: rather when I first joined 97 and when we started,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out with that,
Speaker 1: it was a smaller home that you had your home,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a little bit more of like
Speaker 1: you guys were living like a couple of life, you know,
Speaker 1: and then the family started getting bigger.
Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, it also grew and we needed more space,
Speaker 1: but it feels rewarding. I'm sure for them, especially for jane, right?
Speaker 1: She loves kids as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean she's she's a great mom,
Speaker 2: she's a stay well she's a stay home mom,
Speaker 2: but she does, you know, do some work on the
Speaker 2: side and stuff like that. That's
Speaker 1: content creation. Yes, quite a
Speaker 2: bit. But you know, she I don't think she'll trade
Speaker 2: it for anything else because like, you know, she she
Speaker 2: literally plans the kids, they like, like what they do
Speaker 2: from the time they wake up till they go to bed.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm very fortunate that way because I
Speaker 2: have someone, you know, my partner who's, who's willing to
Speaker 2: do these things so that I can come out and
Speaker 2: work and do my thing
Speaker 1: when it came to having kids. Did you guys have
Speaker 1: a big long drawn conversation before you got married or
Speaker 1: after you got married?
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I know exactly what, you know why you're
Speaker 2: asking this question where it comes from? Because I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are like that, they literally,
Speaker 2: you know, plan out their their lives and they have
Speaker 1: Goals right over by 27. I must get married by 30.
Speaker 1: I'm going to my first kid. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's the reason I married my wife because we have
Speaker 2: no goals whatsoever.
Speaker 2: We, we, we barely plan for anything except holidays. Yeah. So,
Speaker 2: you know, it was never a conversation where you know,
Speaker 2: how many kids do we want?
Speaker 2: What schools do they go to? We still don't know. Yeah. So,
Speaker 2: so we're not kind of planners in that sense. We
Speaker 2: like to enjoy each other's company and what comes out
Speaker 2: of that, obviously we enjoy each other's company too much.
Speaker 2: Like so many Children. Right?
Speaker 2: But all
Speaker 1: the information we needed.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Right. I mean that's how kids come about and
Speaker 2: you just go with the flow and you enjoy it
Speaker 2: and you know, yeah, it's harder for us to have
Speaker 2: a couple of times now because of the two little
Speaker 2: ones running around, but that in itself, you know, taking
Speaker 2: care of the kids together. It's a couple
Speaker 1: times. It is rewarding.
Speaker 2: You don't really need time alone to spend time with
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. And I can see that she's enjoying the process.
Speaker 1: You know, she's absolutely glowing as well just following her
Speaker 1: on social media. I mean she's so happy,
Speaker 1: but you know, obviously with a lot of us nowadays,
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't necessarily also want to have kids. I
Speaker 1: don't know like, you know what you have then
Speaker 1: proceeded to also get together and settle down if she
Speaker 1: didn't want to have kids or for
Speaker 2: sure. I mean, you know, it doesn't matter for me,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It's really all about personal choice. I
Speaker 2: think the thing with me and J and my wife
Speaker 2: is that
Speaker 2: like I said, we're not planners. So we never said,
Speaker 2: oh I want kids. And the other one said, I
Speaker 2: don't want kids. You know, we're always like, let's see
Speaker 2: if it happens, it happens if it doesn't and it
Speaker 1: wasn't a deal breaker.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't a deal breaker. In fact, it came
Speaker 2: to a point where she said, you know, she really
Speaker 2: wanted to start a family and I was all for
Speaker 2: it because, you know,
Speaker 2: I love Children as well, you know, not necessarily my own.
Speaker 2: I love my my nieces and nephews and stuff so
Speaker 2: so I thought okay yeah it'll be fun
Speaker 2: and it was a bit of a long term process
Speaker 2: as well because initially we found it a bit hard
Speaker 2: to conceive. We took like after three years of trying
Speaker 2: with you know I mean not that I'm complaining because
Speaker 2: practice makes perfect right but
Speaker 2: but
Speaker 1: you have a lot of practice practice
Speaker 2: every day but still no kids. So so we decided
Speaker 2: to see a fertility clinic and they helped us out
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So so we went through a
Speaker 2: minor procedure and voila you know number two came along
Speaker 2: and then without even trying the next time just practicing
Speaker 2: on it. But
Speaker 2: Number three came along. So we're like hey
Speaker 1: perfected the craft already
Speaker 2: exactly what I didn't have to call the doctor for help.
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 1: mean that's very nicely into what I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you next because you and jane were both quite
Speaker 1: open about the whole process about consulting a doctor and stuff.
Speaker 1: So I mean I think you know with medical advances
Speaker 1: nowadays it's not like a taboo thing anymore people just
Speaker 1: you know openly want to share as well because other
Speaker 1: couples are also concerned about fertility issues and they're looking
Speaker 1: into such options.
Speaker 1: So if you don't mind could you share like how
Speaker 1: that came about the kind of process you guys went through.
Speaker 2: We were fortunate in the sense that when we decided
Speaker 2: to go get help with fertility and all that. And
Speaker 2: a good friend of us recommended this amazing doctor. It
Speaker 2: was funny because we we had an appointment with him.
Speaker 2: We went in, we answered some basic information uh and
Speaker 2: he asked over and I believe you have an elder
Speaker 2: son as well. And yeah and he was like okay
Speaker 2: I guarantee you you guys would be pregnant in a
Speaker 2: few months
Speaker 1: seriously.
Speaker 2: And just like that with with those words me and
Speaker 2: jane left the office smiling and really getting
Speaker 1: pregnant already. Exactly,
Speaker 2: right. Yeah. Like
Speaker 1: just so
Speaker 2: much and I just said but but seriously? I mean
Speaker 2: you know the those those words really left us with
Speaker 2: the weight of our shoulders. We thought like oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: you know three years something must be wrong with either
Speaker 2: one of us. We we just didn't know and once
Speaker 2: he said that we left happy in the next couple
Speaker 2: of treatments were breeze and there we go, boom. You
Speaker 2: know my my my son came
Speaker 1: about when you see treatments, what exactly was to be
Speaker 1: done during those treatments.
Speaker 2: Well it was more of an extraction put together and
Speaker 2: put back kind of treatment. I
Speaker 1: it's a lot simpler than it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to man Splain things sometimes because
Speaker 1: this is why you on the show.
Speaker 2: That's true because the technical and an actual procedure of it.
Speaker 2: If I started to explain
Speaker 2: a lot of people I think the cameraman was and
Speaker 2: and cringe about, I
Speaker 1: vaguely remember you,
Speaker 2: I must have told you this before. The needle is
Speaker 2: this long, it goes into your
Speaker 2: testicles.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, sure. Okay, the the scientific,
Speaker 1: scientific, sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm a DJ like, simplify things on,
Speaker 1: so
Speaker 2: it extracts semen, right, And they do a on site
Speaker 2: test while it's being extracted, The doctor just sitting there
Speaker 2: chatting with me about life in general,
Speaker 1: you know, the
Speaker 2: radio show? Yeah, he wasn't very distracting though, because
Speaker 2: like,
Speaker 1: if there's one thing I'm
Speaker 2: just being very much
Speaker 1: vernon's tolerance for pain is rather high, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's
Speaker 1: exactly like that must have been, you know, and he
Speaker 1: says his pain, it's pain, it's
Speaker 2: a very interesting feeling uncomfortable, something you've never felt before,
Speaker 2: because it's down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you will never, you know, go and get down
Speaker 2: there unless you're so when that happened, you know, and
Speaker 2: and and and they literally did an on site test
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, you're good to go, everything is
Speaker 2: healthy and fine. So, you know, that's step one of
Speaker 2: the relief. And then when when jane wielding what they
Speaker 2: did was they extracted some eggs from from her,
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the scientific term is, but
Speaker 2: I want to say stomach over really uterus, like. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, so and they tested the eggs as well,
Speaker 2: and the eggs were fine. And so what they did
Speaker 2: in the lab was put two and two together. They
Speaker 2: tell you how many
Speaker 1: good to. Excellent.
Speaker 2: Good. They have different grades by the way a one
Speaker 2: it will be. Yeah then they just ask you okay
Speaker 2: so you want to pick one If not we'll just
Speaker 2: choose the best one and we'll put it back into
Speaker 2: jane and
Speaker 2: hope for the best. I've heard a lot of stories
Speaker 2: where you know sometimes it doesn't work out for some
Speaker 2: couples and it's very hard heart wrenching because you know
Speaker 2: you're in that mode where
Speaker 2: it's
Speaker 1: emotional and physical,
Speaker 2: correct? Yeah. You really want the child. You have to
Speaker 2: go through a few procedures like like injection self injections
Speaker 2: which are very painful by the way does very very painful.
Speaker 1: You have to do it did you have to do it?
Speaker 1: I
Speaker 2: did it for Jamie and yeah so you know it's
Speaker 2: never a nice procedure to go through especially for things
Speaker 2: not to work but for us it worked immediately and
Speaker 2: and we had a baby. Exactly and the doctor's words
Speaker 2: was so true I'll get you pregnant and
Speaker 1: wow.
Speaker 2: So it was incredible. Very nice process.
Speaker 1: We need to interview this doctor next sure.
Speaker 2: He's really good by the way and it's very hard
Speaker 2: to get because he's so popular.
Speaker 1: Right. Right And then the next kid just came naturally
Speaker 1: almost
Speaker 2: and it yeah of our last child came naturally.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fantastic. Well I mean I think another fantastic piece
Speaker 1: of news is increasing because it's freezing has been a
Speaker 1: topic of conversation for so long. That's right. And, you know,
Speaker 1: there have been many people trying to advocate for it
Speaker 1: and all and you know, I'm not sure what your
Speaker 1: thoughts are as well, because when it comes to say,
Speaker 1: you know, my peers around my age, you know, even
Speaker 1: in their twenties to early thirties,
Speaker 1: they're still not at the stage or even for myself. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know whether I am ready to have a
Speaker 1: kid yet. You know, I'm not even married at this
Speaker 1: point yet. And a lot of my peers also like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but I do want
Speaker 1: to have the option to have a kid in the future. So,
Speaker 2: and you should have that choice. You should have the option. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not that the
Speaker 2: the medicine and the technology is not available, it has
Speaker 2: been for a long time. I'm just really glad that
Speaker 2: finally Singapore opening up this kind of treatment for, you know,
Speaker 2: young ladies who want to plan for the future, but
Speaker 2: are not ready to take that next step.
Speaker 1: But do you think it's considered or was considered quite
Speaker 1: taboo in the past to talk about this? Because,
Speaker 1: you know, it's freezing. I mean, some people are like,
Speaker 1: we can't even explore this option. Like it's selfish, It's
Speaker 1: not ethically right? Whatever what you thought.
Speaker 2: I've seen some of those comments. And I just think
Speaker 2: to myself, why is it your problem that I want
Speaker 2: to be selfish, It's my life. I get to choose
Speaker 2: my path and what I need to do now, I mean,
Speaker 2: let's let's be honest, Singapore is not an easy place
Speaker 2: to raise Children. Everything. Yeah. And obviously, so you want
Speaker 2: to be financially stable before you start a family and
Speaker 2: you know,
Speaker 2: you know, go on to other things as well. I
Speaker 2: believe another reason why egg freezing was not allowed in.
Speaker 2: Singapore is also religious.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I'm glad that everybody's, you know, it's 2022.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that everybody has come to a consensus that,
Speaker 2: you know, we should allow this, put aside their religious
Speaker 2: beliefs and traditional beliefs. And
Speaker 2: let's let's move towards a nation where we can make
Speaker 2: this decision for ourselves because otherwise we're never going to progress,
Speaker 2: we just have to keep moving forward. There are worse
Speaker 2: things that are
Speaker 2: being considered or even approved than egg freezing. So it's
Speaker 2: about time that this has finally happened for.
Speaker 1: Exactly. I only found out about this recently because a
Speaker 1: friend of mine got pregnant 35 and it was considered
Speaker 1: a geriatric pregnancy. I didn't even know that there was
Speaker 1: a term for it. And they call it a geriatric
Speaker 1: pregnancy means they're very old to conceive
Speaker 2: apparently because, you know, some women and and their bodies
Speaker 2: find it difficult to go through the process of pregnancy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And the thing is, you know, for certain,
Speaker 1: some of my friends who are like in their late
Speaker 1: thirties at this point, they are worried that, you know,
Speaker 1: they haven't even found the one they want to settle
Speaker 1: down with or they haven't
Speaker 1: Found that stable partner yet and they want to have
Speaker 1: the option in the future to still have a kid.
Speaker 1: I think that's honestly a wonderful thing because with medical
Speaker 1: advances nowadays, having a kid at in your late 30s
Speaker 1: isn't exactly that bad anymore. Right.
Speaker 2: So, so for you, a person who's who's, you know,
Speaker 2: out and about on the go all the time, very,
Speaker 2: very successful in your in your career and all that,
Speaker 2: would you consider something like that? Like, like egg freezing?
Speaker 1: I would actually, because, you know, I don't even know
Speaker 1: the status of like my fertility to be very honest. Like,
Speaker 1: and it's just a thing who
Speaker 2: does like
Speaker 1: casually walk and find out, you know, I have not
Speaker 1: done that. Um Jeremy obviously has no problems because he
Speaker 1: also has three kids from a previous marriage has already.
Speaker 1: So
Speaker 1: um I would definitely, if I want to settle down
Speaker 1: in the future would have to go check it out. Right?
Speaker 1: And I mean, this is, you know, we've gotten to
Speaker 1: know you tuning in right now to this podcast for
Speaker 1: a long time. So I'm not afraid to also share
Speaker 1: that over the past years. I also am on contraceptives
Speaker 1: and it started off as a thing for my skin
Speaker 1: issues back in the past and it's known to help
Speaker 1: your acne problems and stuff like
Speaker 2: that.
Speaker 1: I would be worried if you took any sort of
Speaker 1: contraceptives for your skin. You know, I feel like it
Speaker 1: is sometimes a little bit of a taboo thing where
Speaker 1: people don't want to talk about it, you know. But
Speaker 1: a lot of my peers are on contraceptives and it
Speaker 1: just makes them feel more
Speaker 1: safe in a relationship or you know, and you don't
Speaker 1: want unplanned pregnancies as well for
Speaker 2: the longest time. I've always felt, you know, women have
Speaker 2: this option of contraceptives via pills. You d and things
Speaker 2: like that. Right? Guys only have condoms.
Speaker 2: That's a bit
Speaker 1: unfair options.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we literally have no other
Speaker 1: options. Right?
Speaker 2: Exactly. That's it. Unless you go get a vasectomy, which
Speaker 2: is a major step in in your your your reproducing journey.
Speaker 2: So so you know, it's a bit unfair. I feel
Speaker 2: that's one way of doing it. But you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of guys will feel
Speaker 2: no I don't like using that prevent me from having Children.
Speaker 2: First of all, the whole experience of the baby making
Speaker 2: is less pleasurable. So you know,
Speaker 2: maybe we should we should come up with a male
Speaker 2: contraceptive pills. I mean allow male contraceptive pills.
Speaker 1: So on that note I'm guessing, you know overseas, especially
Speaker 1: like this whole concept of a male contraceptive pill is
Speaker 1: still being
Speaker 1: um looked at at this point in time
Speaker 2: did research research.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing because you play around with hormones,
Speaker 1: you play around with your body. You know, like it's,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be approved so fast. Right? I
Speaker 2: play around my body all the time.
Speaker 1: I do not want to know what you do.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we can say anything during this podcast,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure we want to know about that.
Speaker 2: Taking my liberties. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, that's that kind of podcast now. That's where
Speaker 1: we're going. Okay. So would you ever consider doing a
Speaker 1: vasectomy
Speaker 2: Now when I'm 50 years old? Yeah. I wouldn't mind
Speaker 2: if if it became a problem. It's not a problem yet.
Speaker 2: But would I have to call my wife and check
Speaker 2: after this. But yeah. But yeah, I mean I wouldn't
Speaker 2: not go through the process if if I had to,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people guys, especially when it
Speaker 2: comes to down there and procedures and you get a
Speaker 2: bit nervous and sensitive and all that. So, so, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I'd be okay with it if you ask
Speaker 2: me between a vasectomy and male contraception pill. I try
Speaker 2: to build first,
Speaker 1: of course, like the least invasive options.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, something that works. And then again, makes your
Speaker 2: skin better.
Speaker 1: I really hope this should be
Speaker 2: a beauty podcast.
Speaker 1: This is, this is really podcast at the same time.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but I guess when it comes
Speaker 1: to like even talking about a vasectomy. Like people also
Speaker 1: have this visual where like oh you have to snip
Speaker 1: something like I don't know something I don't know what
Speaker 1: actually goes down.
Speaker 2: Well neither do I. Which is why I have to
Speaker 2: sit here and do podcast with you and not you
Speaker 2: know sit in my G. P. Practice and tons of
Speaker 2: money but I'm just kidding. But
Speaker 2: I mean all the guys watching this podcast right now
Speaker 2: will definitely agree. I mean the minute you start talking
Speaker 2: about anything in the nether regions where its medical procedure
Speaker 2: or anything that involves scissors, tubes, needles, yeah the visualization
Speaker 2: and and the
Speaker 2: phantom feeling that you get just
Speaker 2: hearing people talk about these things. It is unbelievable. You
Speaker 2: you will never experience this with with anything else except
Speaker 2: when you talk about guys nether regions and needles and
Speaker 2: knives and
Speaker 1: anything related.
Speaker 2: You lose it, you lose your ship seriously. You can
Speaker 2: go crazy and
Speaker 1: sidetracked. I don't know why I'm so like involved in
Speaker 1: such conversations of the nether regions recently. But
Speaker 1: there's a new health show just sidetracked for a bit
Speaker 1: where in my case and I talked about erectile dysfunction.
Speaker 1: So I just want to talk about it, mike was
Speaker 1: also like going a little pale like where are you
Speaker 2: dutch? Huh? I thought you were from the Netherlands and
Speaker 1: just
Speaker 1: I didn't know maybe it's part of my you
Speaker 2: know that joke
Speaker 1: cold jokes, Old jokes. Oh my gosh, just moving on
Speaker 1: separating into a little something maybe from your younger days
Speaker 1: as well. Have you ever gotten a pregnancy scare with
Speaker 1: like a girl,
Speaker 2: girlfriend, girlfriend? Several.
Speaker 1: Several? Yeah.
Speaker 2: It usually happens in the time when you're saying
Speaker 2: you're telling them. I don't think this is working out.
Speaker 2: Oh
Speaker 1: my God.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm beginning to suspect the pattern. But yeah, thank goodness.
Speaker 2: I mean,
Speaker 2: nothing ever really happened. So
Speaker 2: I'm safe in that. But yeah, the conversations have come up.
Speaker 2: I'm late. Like, what? You're late for? You got nothing
Speaker 2: to do
Speaker 1: what? No,
Speaker 2: no, no, no. I'm late for my monthly and you're like,
Speaker 2: really seriously? That's just because I told you that, you know,
Speaker 2: are
Speaker 1: you sure? But what if it happened
Speaker 2: three times
Speaker 1: with the same person? No, of course not. But
Speaker 2: yeah, So with different people, well, slightly different conversations. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the general pattern was that So, I think it's a
Speaker 2: weapon that,
Speaker 2: oh dear. People use against guys. Some some women use
Speaker 2: against that.
Speaker 1: That is an interesting concept. Obviously not targeted all women.
Speaker 1: You're too
Speaker 2: nice. You wouldn't know about this. You
Speaker 1: know, I've actually gotten a scare before. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm saying this when my parents are
Speaker 1: probably watching,
Speaker 2: but
Speaker 1: what's up? They watch all my videos. So forget it.
Speaker 1: It's all out there already. Yeah. I've actually had a
Speaker 1: scare before, despite being on contraceptive pills.
Speaker 1: Um I was about a week late for my period
Speaker 1: and it just and I was like, Oh no, you
Speaker 1: know when they say 99% sure that you will not
Speaker 2: only imagine how you're feeling. I
Speaker 1: Was like that one person, I'm the 1% at that point,
Speaker 1: I was like under 1%. That's it. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on, but
Speaker 1: turns out, you know, I went to the doctors, everything
Speaker 1: and um ladies, if you're tuning in right now, this
Speaker 1: could be a possibility
Speaker 1: if you've been on the pill for a long time
Speaker 1: and you haven't taken breaks or whatever. I don't know
Speaker 1: like whether but it is like feeling uncomfortable with me sharing.
Speaker 1: I
Speaker 2: love this information.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So what happens is, you know, your cycles could
Speaker 1: become much shorter and very light as well. Not not irregular,
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be regular but it becomes shorter and lighter,
Speaker 1: which is good. You know, like you don't like heavy
Speaker 1: periods and stuff. But
Speaker 1: um at a point in time the doctor actually checked
Speaker 1: and said actually you're having a period right now, but
Speaker 1: there's nothing because it's become your your body has become
Speaker 1: so accustomed to. I don't know like I guess that
Speaker 1: the hormones appear, I don't know, I'm not a doctor,
Speaker 1: Please don't quote me on this. But this is what
Speaker 1: my doctor told me. She said actually you are having
Speaker 1: your period right now, but it's just so
Speaker 1: um it's not showing up Like, in
Speaker 1: isn't that suspicious because sometimes I feel like somebody like,
Speaker 1: right now, I think maybe maybe we could compared to that.
Speaker 1: So she just said maybe take a break after this.
Speaker 1: It could be stress induced as well, or stress related
Speaker 1: to take a break and it should go back to normal.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I take like 12 months break and then
Speaker 1: go back. But please, you know, once again, don't take
Speaker 1: my word for it. Everyone is different. So
Speaker 1: if you ever need to question your doctor about it
Speaker 1: to ask and you know, consult at the same time.
Speaker 1: So on that note about your three Xs, that all
Speaker 1: kind of came up with a similar story, you know,
Speaker 1: do you think that if you had a male contraceptive
Speaker 1: pill at the time, there would be a sort of
Speaker 1: a sure way to be like, gotcha, like,
Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely is not happening.
Speaker 2: Exactly why I'm so glad you said that. That's absolutely
Speaker 2: I can be like the bad lady, like, you know,
Speaker 2: like check it out. Here's my badge. I've been taking this.
Speaker 2: Don't let me, honey. Exactly. That I won't wear masks
Speaker 2: and you
Speaker 1: can be
Speaker 2: a baller. Yeah. So, you know, in that sense that
Speaker 2: that kind of gives you the because with the regular
Speaker 2: mail contraception, there's a lot now, which is condoms, there's
Speaker 2: no other, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's still a chance. Exactly. You know, it could be
Speaker 2: it could be tampered with,
Speaker 2: okay, you know, it could be defective, so it would
Speaker 1: Have been the 0.1% chance.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So there's always that one chance that that
Speaker 2: it didn't work out. So with the contraceptive pill, you know,
Speaker 1: what do you think then? Um, the option of the
Speaker 1: male contraceptive pill? What kind of impact will have on
Speaker 1: the society though, if you have anything,
Speaker 2: wow, that is a loaded question, because you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Some
Speaker 2: people, because, you know, either they're thinking of careers, maybe
Speaker 2: they just don't want to settle down
Speaker 2: and so they use that as a way that means to,
Speaker 2: you know, not start a family and that could lead to,
Speaker 2: you know, certain problems, societal problems obviously, right.
Speaker 2: And relationship problems as well, because you know, imagine if
Speaker 2: a couple weren't honest with each other and the
Speaker 1: not seeing the
Speaker 2: correct, you know, the woman says she really wants to
Speaker 2: start a family and the man pretends to want to,
Speaker 2: but
Speaker 2: is on the pill, you know, that there will be
Speaker 2: a horrible situation in a very bad relationship, you know
Speaker 2: what with with with anything. I mean, even with the
Speaker 2: female contraception bill and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: it works both ways, I suppose so the
Speaker 2: to solely generalize that men don't want to have families
Speaker 2: as opposed to women want to have families, I think
Speaker 2: it's a bit unfair as well.
Speaker 1: No, it totally is because I feel more and more,
Speaker 1: it is a fair decision rights, equal decision. Like, both
Speaker 1: people have to want to be on the same page,
Speaker 1: I wanna have kids in order to start a family, right?
Speaker 2: And maybe to, you know, avoid all this and make
Speaker 2: it safe for everyone.
Speaker 2: Maybe for men, if you want to use the male
Speaker 2: contraceptive pill, you have to apply for it,
Speaker 1: right? Like you have to yeah, actually it's the same
Speaker 1: thing for female contraceptives because you have to go to
Speaker 1: like a certified doctor to get it, like you can't
Speaker 1: just get it off the shelf
Speaker 1: versus if I'm not wrong in some countries overseas, you
Speaker 1: can actually access it off the shelf, like, you know,
Speaker 1: a guardian or like a pharmacist or something, but here
Speaker 1: in Singapore is a bit more strict,
Speaker 2: so you have to see a doctor
Speaker 1: have to see a doctor
Speaker 2: make it like that for for men as well, at
Speaker 2: least there's some sort of control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking, get it control,
Speaker 1: control, control, vernon is like the best person to talk
Speaker 1: to you about control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have none of
Speaker 1: it. Exactly, thank you so much for chilling out in
Speaker 1: so many questions, it was so interesting to chat with
Speaker 1: you about such topics that we never get to chat about,
Speaker 2: like, like taking my nether regions and stuff, I
Speaker 1: never expected us to bring that up on a public platform.
Speaker 2: Well we've done it now, everybody
Speaker 1: has a visual of that going on and we cannot
Speaker 1: turn back
Speaker 2: next. I have to show pictures.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So are you going to give those pictures of
Speaker 1: my
Speaker 2: wife would get angry and I don't have Children anymore.
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Speaker 1: bye.