WEBVTT - From fashion addict to zero-waste advocate | EP 10

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<v Speaker 1>This is a C. N. A podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Now open your wardrobe and be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>how much clothing do actually wear in your closet. Do

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<v Speaker 1>all your clothes look pretty much the same. Whether it

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<v Speaker 1>be 20 pairs of jeans or 10 identical white t

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<v Speaker 1>shirts or 15 pairs of sneakers. Do you go out

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<v Speaker 1>shopping and even though you didn't love anything, you felt

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<v Speaker 1>the need to bring something home to prove your trip

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't wasted,

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<v Speaker 1>If that sounds like you don't worry, you're not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to the climate conversations, I'm your host julie.

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<v Speaker 1>You join me as I get personal with the people

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<v Speaker 1>driving real change and sustainability

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<v Speaker 1>in a shopper's paradise like Singapore, it's safe to say

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<v Speaker 1>that we've all been guilty of using just a fraction

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<v Speaker 1>of our wardrobe while the rest don't see the light

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<v Speaker 1>of day and throwing out old clothes once they go

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<v Speaker 1>out of style.

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<v Speaker 1>A survey involving 1000 Singaporeans revealed that we buy 34

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of new clothing on average and dispose of 27

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<v Speaker 1>items within 12 months, which means for almost every item

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<v Speaker 1>we buy, we throw away another, resulting in almost 21,000

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<v Speaker 1>dumpster trucks worth of textile waste a year. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>if you line them all up, that's enough to cover

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<v Speaker 1>almost a third of the entire MRT track network.

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<v Speaker 1>But over the years, Singapore has seen a small but

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<v Speaker 1>strong ecosystem of people and organizations that want to do better.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest stands out in this space. She's Jasmine Twan,

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<v Speaker 1>the co founder of a circular fashion initiative with a

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<v Speaker 1>mission to close the fashion loop in Singapore by keeping

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<v Speaker 1>good fashion pieces circulating within the community,

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<v Speaker 1>Jasmine? Welcome to the climate conversations. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were arguably one of Singapore's first fashionistas used

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<v Speaker 1>to be at the center of the party scene, also

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<v Speaker 1>a founder of a few fashion labels, but knowing what

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<v Speaker 1>you do now, it's hard to believe what you used

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<v Speaker 1>to be as you've openly admitted a shopaholic hoarder and collector.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell us at your peak, how often and how

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<v Speaker 1>much were you spending on fashion and clothes? I

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<v Speaker 2>have no budget, which is a very dangerous thing

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<v Speaker 1>back

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<v Speaker 2>in the days, I have like a dozen credit cards,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't encourage member to max up, there's no limit.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little bit out of control from your

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<v Speaker 2>independent designers from high street to high end or edgy

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<v Speaker 2>designers that no one heard of, I'll be like buying

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<v Speaker 2>this this and that I bought so much that my

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<v Speaker 2>mom and my ex boyfriends has to beg me to

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<v Speaker 2>stop buying the moment I started making my

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<v Speaker 2>on income, I will buy whatever I want because I

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<v Speaker 2>can I work hard and I should buy stuff to

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<v Speaker 2>make me happy. So that was the mindset I had

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<v Speaker 2>before and I'm sure some of you can relate to that.

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<v Speaker 1>So when was the moment you realized you couldn't sustain

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of lifestyle anymore and that you needed to

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<v Speaker 1>change and was there a trigger or was it just

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<v Speaker 1>a gradual realization?

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<v Speaker 2>It's really a series of unfortunate events, but it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing for me. So I had a retail

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<v Speaker 2>store and it doesn't help because I started shopping in

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<v Speaker 2>my own shop and five years in the business it

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<v Speaker 2>had to close roughly because we couldn't sustain the rent

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<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden I was left with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time and a lot of clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is when I start to question myself and a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit before the closure of the shop, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a near death experience. Yeah, I almost drowned in a

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<v Speaker 2>trip and crabby. Then I started asking myself a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of questions like what is the purpose of life? What

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<v Speaker 2>is the purpose of my life? And is it about

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<v Speaker 2>working hard and spending all the money on shopping

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<v Speaker 2>and then trying to sell them and then take the

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<v Speaker 2>money to buy more and am I supposed to die

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<v Speaker 2>as just a consumer? And that's it, are we built

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<v Speaker 2>to shop and stop?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's how you just sort of kick started on

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<v Speaker 1>your journey to find your eco balance. Would you say

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<v Speaker 2>I had a job opportunity in Malaysia. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>had to downsize my life because I know I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>bring my home wardrobe with me. And then two years

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<v Speaker 2>in Malaysia, I didn't change 2016 to 2017, I didn't change,

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<v Speaker 2>but I met a zero waste Malaysia group end of 2017.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is when I first came across this term

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<v Speaker 2>called Zero Ways, I'm like, what the heck is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What zero waste and how is it possible to achieve zero?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Surely that everything around us is some sort of packaging.

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<v Speaker 2>So then I started exploring this concept about this five

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<v Speaker 2>concept other than recycling, that's actually refuse, reduce reuse before

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<v Speaker 2>recycling and rot or compose the rest. So I dedicate

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<v Speaker 2>my life in 2018 to just apply this concept into

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<v Speaker 2>my own lifestyle and change. And that is the change

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<v Speaker 2>that I know I've been looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it wasn't an easy.

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<v Speaker 1>So how tough was it to make that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>radical lifestyle change,

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<v Speaker 2>That's the right word radical. So I added one more

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<v Speaker 2>hour in front of the five hour, I rethink and

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<v Speaker 2>I take it as a challenge and I'm a creative.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, okay, I got the design brief, I

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<v Speaker 2>will take up the challenge and find alternative solutions to

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<v Speaker 2>my lifestyle, whether it is from beauty to fashion. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I also committed to zero shopping on fast fashion item.

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<v Speaker 1>So after you found your echo bala,

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<v Speaker 1>You started a clothes swapping organization called up in September 2020.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us a little about starting with that unique name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that happened also thanks to Malaysia because as

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<v Speaker 2>I was committed to zero shopping on Fast Fashion, I

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<v Speaker 2>was so ready to wear the same clothes for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of my life until the founder of Zero Waste

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<v Speaker 2>Malaysia brought me to to fashion swap events. Oh that's

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<v Speaker 2>a game changer man.

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<v Speaker 2>Because all I need to bring is five good items

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<v Speaker 2>and I can bring home up to 20 even. So

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<v Speaker 2>when I came back to Singapore, thanks to the pandemic

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<v Speaker 2>instead of waiting for someone to do it might as

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<v Speaker 2>well just do it right. So then what happened actually,

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<v Speaker 2>the original club founder is Cindy and saying they had

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<v Speaker 2>a great name already. I call myself my Zero Waste

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<v Speaker 2>wardrobe which is quite a mouthful. We were doing about

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. And then when we came together they

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<v Speaker 2>have some inventory and I have collected some inventory from

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<v Speaker 2>friends and we decided the fastest way to move the

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<v Speaker 2>inventory is through swap

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<v Speaker 2>Because swappers just need to bring five good items and

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<v Speaker 2>they can bring home 10 match made in heaven. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really timely and we kept to give credit to

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<v Speaker 2>our designer who designed club logo. He came up with

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<v Speaker 2>this name because we really want to close the fashion loop.

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<v Speaker 2>So

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<v Speaker 1>it's so smart. So take us back to the very

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<v Speaker 1>first clothes swapping event that you organized. What did you learn?

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<v Speaker 2>We have to tell you that happened really by accident coincidence,

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<v Speaker 2>what did I learn?

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<v Speaker 2>We organized our first clothes swap in two weeks time

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<v Speaker 2>when we meet and then we decided to move our inventory.

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<v Speaker 2>The clothes swap happened in two weeks time. We work

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<v Speaker 2>so hard pushing the message and everything and we have

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<v Speaker 2>10 sign out, we're expecting more. Let's move it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, but I'm a very positive person. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure if you can sense it, but we can always

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<v Speaker 2>see that silver lining. So we ended up talking to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of walk ins instead. So we share with

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<v Speaker 2>them what we do and our first swapper that sign

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<v Speaker 2>up become our volunteer now.

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<v Speaker 1>For those of us who are not so used to

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<v Speaker 1>this concept of swapping clothes, how effective a solution is

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<v Speaker 1>it for people who want to stop shopping for new

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<v Speaker 1>clothes but still want to stay fashionable and not lose

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<v Speaker 1>their personal style.

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<v Speaker 2>I found this solution actually for myself, I get to

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy fashion in the most sustainable way through swapping also,

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<v Speaker 2>it helped me to let go because remember I was

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<v Speaker 2>also harder, I have stuff from 20 years ago

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<v Speaker 2>That I hold on to but through swapping and give

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<v Speaker 2>it away and I see it sparks joy in other

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<v Speaker 2>people's life and I get better stuff to my wardrobe.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually got better in terms of the brands that come

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<v Speaker 2>in that I have my things got better and really

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<v Speaker 2>it's my zero waste wardrobe now, nothing goes to waste 80%

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<v Speaker 2>are from and the rest of the 20% of things

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<v Speaker 2>that I already have from before that I still love

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<v Speaker 2>and I still use

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<v Speaker 1>it.

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<v Speaker 1>But as good as all it sounds changing our relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with what we wear can't be done overnight. Right? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there are those who may feel uncomfortable about wearing

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<v Speaker 1>clothes someone else have worn, especially post pandemic within the

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<v Speaker 1>concerns about hygiene and sanitary.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some of the stubborn perceptions that continue to exist?

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<v Speaker 2>The only misconception that people have about swapping is that

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<v Speaker 2>it's 1-1 swap, but ours is not. You can bring

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<v Speaker 2>just five minimum and you can bring home 10

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<v Speaker 2>because we want you to take home more.

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<v Speaker 1>There's enough supply. Is that what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 2>There is more than enough supply. You want to come

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<v Speaker 2>down to my storage. Absolutely. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>definitely check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Our room is just filled with donations that we need

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<v Speaker 2>to look through one by one inventory just keep coming

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<v Speaker 2>because we produce more than 100 and 50 billion garments

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<v Speaker 2>each year. So then we need

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<v Speaker 2>also catch up with the rapid fashion, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>move the inventory fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so now that you're in a position to encourage

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<v Speaker 1>others to take part in the zero waste movement, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think is the best way to communicate with

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<v Speaker 1>non greenies, so to speak. And then I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>it helps that you used to be at the other

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<v Speaker 1>end of the spectrum.

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<v Speaker 2>So empathy helps because I know it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not easy. I know the temptation is real. The

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<v Speaker 2>moment you step into archer road, everybody is calling you

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<v Speaker 2>to buy them and then the phone you can't run

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<v Speaker 2>away from your phone. So I actually have seven tips.

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<v Speaker 2>I curbs shopping entirely and I share that through talks workshops.

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<v Speaker 1>Please share with us right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well first thing first just do not enter really. Do

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<v Speaker 2>yourself a favor. Do not enter the shop. Why set

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<v Speaker 2>yourself up for failure? If you know you'll be tempted

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<v Speaker 2>and you're wasting time money to browse to try and

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<v Speaker 2>then you pay

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<v Speaker 2>And then you bring the item home. Feeling guilty because

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<v Speaker 2>you know that I already have enough. Why do I

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<v Speaker 2>buy one more item and you think you save 70%

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<v Speaker 2>or 30% when there's a sale but you save 100%

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<v Speaker 2>when you don't buy anything. Right? So don't set yourself

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<v Speaker 2>up for failure. Do something that doesn't cost you. I

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<v Speaker 2>spend time in nature. I don't spend time in malls.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally just in the phone. Do not click

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<v Speaker 2>because the moment you click on one item you will

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<v Speaker 2>see like Gazillion banners telling you to buy them and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I do, I print screen, print screen and

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<v Speaker 2>I put all my favorite things and Pinterest album of once.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have my virtual wardrobe and it's free of charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Great tips there. Thank you so much, jasmine. And you're

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<v Speaker 1>also looking at recycling. You've launched a couple of textile

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<v Speaker 1>recycling bins across Singapore. Where

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<v Speaker 1>can we find them? And tell us more about the service.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so exciting. So initially, before we met our

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<v Speaker 2>certified recycler, we can only accept clean and good condition

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<v Speaker 2>fashion items don't pass us all your old dirty laundry

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff so we can circulate through swap and resale right?

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<v Speaker 2>But now we can accept clothes, bags, shoes, and household linen,

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<v Speaker 2>household items like toys, Towers, pillows in any condition.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to my recycler. So we launched a clip recycling

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<v Speaker 2>bin in july 2022. The first one of course is

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<v Speaker 2>that city sprout where we sprouted. The second one is

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<v Speaker 2>at standard chartered changi business park and the third one

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be at raffles city basement. They have

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<v Speaker 2>a green corner. So you can also drop your unwanted

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<v Speaker 2>textiles in the bin at the Rougher city basement. So

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<v Speaker 2>the list of where you can donate will be available

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<v Speaker 2>at any website as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So where did they all go? What will happen to

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<v Speaker 2>them? They will then go to my recycler and he

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<v Speaker 2>was sort into 500 categories to make sure nothing goes

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<v Speaker 2>to waste. So recently my recycler just visited Singapore to

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<v Speaker 2>catch up with us. He brought to denim rugs made

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<v Speaker 2>of denim that not wearable. And he also came up

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<v Speaker 2>with a mat that is made from clothes that cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be re wear again. They are chopped up into a

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<v Speaker 2>so called garden mat that

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<v Speaker 2>sequester co two,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fascinating. So many ways to declutter our wardrobe sustainably

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<v Speaker 1>a jasmine. But I must admit well getting ready for

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<v Speaker 1>this interview, I was motivated and I took down an

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<v Speaker 1>inventory of my road robe and I was super shocked

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<v Speaker 1>with the number of items. I have felt really bad

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<v Speaker 1>that even with all this I often found myself saying

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<v Speaker 1>I have nothing to wear, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>So

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<v Speaker 1>help me out here for anyone like me who are

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<v Speaker 1>tired of rummaging through clutter and feeling overwhelmed by all

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff in their wardrobe. Where's the best place to start?

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<v Speaker 2>Take them out for a swap. If not you can

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<v Speaker 2>drop them at the club recycling bin because my recycler

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<v Speaker 2>will sort them into 500 categories. He's also aware that

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<v Speaker 2>certain country might not be able to wear clothes like

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm wearing the conservative country for example. He was

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<v Speaker 2>even sought into styles

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<v Speaker 2>that are appropriate for the country to resale and re

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<v Speaker 2>buy them and we wear them. The best form of

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<v Speaker 2>recycling is actually to use the product again to use

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<v Speaker 2>them wear them. That's why our fashion swap is really

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<v Speaker 2>the main focus. We really want to re home. The

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<v Speaker 2>good clothes for people to wear them again, be it

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<v Speaker 2>one year, five years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so heartening to hear you are dedicating your time,

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<v Speaker 1>your energy to promote reduction of fashion over consumption and waste.

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<v Speaker 1>But

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<v Speaker 1>let's face it jazz. The reality is that it's fighting

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<v Speaker 1>as a massive multi billion dollar fashion industry and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so easy to question whether all this, all your efforts

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<v Speaker 1>will make a difference or even move the needle when

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<v Speaker 1>you have self doubt what keeps you going.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is so fun for me to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>although I must confess I see clothes more than I

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<v Speaker 2>see people. So I try to balance my lifestyle to

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<v Speaker 2>before when I was doing full time with zero waste S. G.

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<v Speaker 2>I will

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<v Speaker 2>weekends and our public holiday and after work hours were

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<v Speaker 2>doing me and my partner, that's why august we decided

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<v Speaker 2>to just go full time. So we tender our resignation

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<v Speaker 2>and we went full time with now and I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is the best because we are doing stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>we love and we believe that it will move the

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<v Speaker 2>needle a little bit. Maybe not a lot, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is at least something we can do in this decade

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<v Speaker 2>before the change will be too late.

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<v Speaker 1>What's next on your

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<v Speaker 1>permission to fight fashion ways any expansion plans? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't use the word fight, I want to use the

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<v Speaker 2>word love sounds much better. I just want to spread

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<v Speaker 2>the love of just enjoying fashion in the most kind

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<v Speaker 2>way that we found, which is true swapping. So like

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<v Speaker 2>you say, how, how can we convert people? We're not

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<v Speaker 2>here to convert people, we are here to show you

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<v Speaker 2>that it can be fun again, you know, fashion,

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<v Speaker 2>but today, when you hear about fashion is a bit dirty.

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<v Speaker 2>This word, especially fast fashion and ultra fast fashion is

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<v Speaker 2>just an industry built on exploitation, not just to the

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<v Speaker 2>resources of our planet, but also to people making our clothes,

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<v Speaker 2>but is that fashionable at all?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not, that is just dirty, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>we want to make fashion fun again and sustainable again

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<v Speaker 2>by just either slowing down and even if you're not,

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<v Speaker 2>you are still in fashion addict. Just come swap because

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<v Speaker 2>it's guilt free,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a plan, Jasmine. Well, thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for joining me

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<v Speaker 1>today and sharing your stories and valuable tips with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully our listeners will find them useful in making conscious

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<v Speaker 1>fashion choices going forward and help get off that fashion treadmill.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just talking about

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for having me and make swapping your new shopping. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>but thanks to all of you for tuning in. We

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