Speaker 1: Hi, and I'm Jermaine and welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of Clev.
Speaker 1: We Got Boys today
Speaker 1: today. We welcome actor and content creator.
Speaker 2: Welcome. Welcome.
Speaker 1: So, are
Speaker 2: you? I'm not gonna lie. I'm a little bit nervous
Speaker 2: why I mean, it's the first like podcast I've done
Speaker 2: since I got back from the Philippines. We are, we
Speaker 2: are
Speaker 1: very, very. Thank you. Thank you, Radel. Tell us more
Speaker 1: about yourself and our viewers here in Harsh
Speaker 2: Podcast. Um Hi, I am Rayna. I am an actor.
Speaker 2: Um I actually just graduated from UNI I'll be having
Speaker 2: my commencement, I think sometime in July. Congratulations. Thank you.
Speaker 2: So I'm very, yeah, so I study psychology for four years.
Speaker 2: Not sure why I did it now that I'm acting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very enjoyable. So, so what were
Speaker 1: you doing in the Philippines? You
Speaker 2: mentioned Philippines? Um I was actually in the Philippines to
Speaker 2: film a series. It's called The Day I Love You. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's hit, major hit. It is, it is, it is,
Speaker 2: it's been, the viewership has been good. The support has
Speaker 2: been great. So it's a BL series and I play
Speaker 2: the role of Eli.
Speaker 2: So Eli is a resident, you know, bad boy kind
Speaker 2: of guy who falls in love with the nerdy kid
Speaker 2: at school. And for those who are not familiar, what's
Speaker 2: a BL series? Can you explain to us? Yes. So
Speaker 2: a BL series is a series with two male leads who,
Speaker 2: you know, fall in love with one another. So boy
Speaker 2: love bl, oh, I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I want to get like to know more
Speaker 1: about how it was like acting in this series later on. But,
Speaker 1: you know, here on harsh podcast, we actually focus a
Speaker 1: lot
Speaker 1: on women centric topics. A lot of our listeners are females,
Speaker 1: but we also have a lot of them who are
Speaker 1: males as well. So today, we want to bring you
Speaker 1: a note on the show to discuss male friendships like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, maybe not bl per se, but Bromance. So basically,
Speaker 1: Bromance is made up of two words, brothers and romance.
Speaker 1: The definition of Bromance is a term to define a
Speaker 1: strong and close friendship between two men. And this is
Speaker 1: not to be confused with AEX
Speaker 1: relationship. So it's a friendship, right? Ok.
Speaker 2: Actually, I would say I beg to differ. I would
Speaker 2: say it's more of a brotherhood
Speaker 1: like brothers from different mothers. Yes, I think
Speaker 2: to, to call it a friendship. I feel like it
Speaker 2: doesn't encompass exactly what a Bromance is. It's a bit
Speaker 2: more than a friendship.
Speaker 1: Ok. So, in this industry, who do you have a
Speaker 1: Bromance
Speaker 2: with, in this? Oh, my manager, for sure.
Speaker 2: Ok. So you would say it's definitely more than a friendship.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a best friend situation. But most of
Speaker 2: the time sometimes it's like a group of boys. Yes.
Speaker 2: A group of boys, perhaps not. I think it's, it's
Speaker 2: possible to have romance between just two guys. 1 to 1. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very similar to a best friend situation.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious. Right.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we only, I mean, we mostly discuss
Speaker 1: like our girlfriends, our, you know, our best and all
Speaker 1: that for guys. I mean, do you call each other?
Speaker 1: Like your BFF, your besties? How, how does it work
Speaker 1: in like a male, bro, man? How do you call
Speaker 1: each other? Is it just that what calls me, like
Speaker 1: in a,
Speaker 1: I didn't see that between like Bromance, right guy, best friends.
Speaker 1: Is it like girl, best friends where we, you know,
Speaker 1: we tell each other like our deepest darkest secrets. I
Speaker 1: find that my male friends, like how close they are,
Speaker 1: they just don't go in depth with their problems and issues,
Speaker 1: you know? But they would tell me, like, would you
Speaker 1: cry in front of each other? Male, best friends? Ok. You,
Speaker 2: I haven't cried in front of my male best friends.
Speaker 2: Not that I remember
Speaker 2: your
Speaker 1: manager. Have you cried in front of Sean?
Speaker 2: Your manager? I have in front of sea. But for,
Speaker 2: for guys, I think, like you said, it's more like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, we are bros but we do share, I
Speaker 2: do have friends, guy friends like my bros that I
Speaker 2: share my worries and really my deepest secrets with. So
Speaker 2: maybe it's not as common as girls, but it does occur.
Speaker 2: I think girls,
Speaker 2: you know, we talk about everything, we go in depth,
Speaker 2: the details and everything, not important details. I have, you know,
Speaker 2: um I recently realized that guys also talk. Oh, but
Speaker 2: I think you don't go into the details of it.
Speaker 2: It's headlines, headlines, headlines
Speaker 1: summarized
Speaker 2: actually. Yes, I do agree with that. We don't, we
Speaker 2: don't spill as much tea. Yeah. And this is something
Speaker 2: I saw actually on one of the tiktok videos. One
Speaker 2: of the
Speaker 2: was saying like, you know, guys don't understand if you
Speaker 2: don't speak the details. I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2: It's true. Is
Speaker 1: it true? Yeah, because I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: It's like if, if let's say, you know, you tell you,
Speaker 1: tell me like, oh a girlfriend. Oh, I met a
Speaker 1: girl last week. I want to know what was she wearing?
Speaker 1: What perfume she was wearing? What makeup she had? What
Speaker 1: did you eat?
Speaker 2: Yeah. She had long hair. She was wearing white hair,
Speaker 2: wore heels.
Speaker 1: Ok. So this brings me to my next question. Male
Speaker 1: friendships are more low effort and low maintenance. Do you agree?
Speaker 2: Kind of, I think because I have two really, really,
Speaker 2: really close guy friends. Ok. And we don't really speak
Speaker 2: as much, like we don't have to text every day. We,
Speaker 2: sometimes we meet like, once every few months, but I
Speaker 2: still know that they're there for me. We still bros.
Speaker 2: I would say that my best friend is actually a girl. She's,
Speaker 2: she's been my friend since we were in,
Speaker 2: um, secondary school and she do, I don't really have
Speaker 2: much conversation with her but whenever we meet up we
Speaker 2: just catch up over like dinner or lunch, you know. But, yeah,
Speaker 2: I still know she's there for me. I don't, I
Speaker 2: feel like I did not answer your question.
Speaker 1: I feel like in general your friendships are maintain,
Speaker 2: I think in general. Right? A little bit of what
Speaker 2: adult friendships look
Speaker 1: like. Yeah. Once you step into society, you just don't
Speaker 1: have time to meet your friends
Speaker 1: every week, like you do back in university. But between
Speaker 1: guy best friends, I mean, with guys there's always like
Speaker 1: ego and pride, you know, there's always that sense of
Speaker 1: ego and pride. Not that girls don't have it but
Speaker 1: has ego, like, ever come in the way of, you know,
Speaker 1: you and your guy best friend, like, fight over the
Speaker 1: same girl.
Speaker 2: Thankfully, my,
Speaker 2: my good friends and I, my bros and I, we
Speaker 2: have different taste in, in partner. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Good to hear.
Speaker 2: Um, so for everyone out there, what's their long
Speaker 1: hair, white dress and look, I remember today. Ok. Interesting
Speaker 1: to the girl. Another question. Ok. What do you think
Speaker 1: of men who are in a Bromance?
Speaker 1: Let's say your other half has someone he is very,
Speaker 1: very close with. Every weekend we meet up to play
Speaker 1: soccer kind. Is that a green flag or a red
Speaker 1: flag for you? Green flag? Yeah, for me as well.
Speaker 1: It is a green flag. I would prefer, they have
Speaker 1: romances than, like, I'm so sorry. I know you have
Speaker 1: a girl, best friend but I would prefer guy, best
Speaker 1: friends than girl, best friends. Just because not that there's
Speaker 1: anything wrong with having a girl best friend, but just
Speaker 1: because I really have nothing to worry. If it's a guy,
Speaker 1: best friend. If I had something to worry, then, you know,
Speaker 1: it's too late.
Speaker 1: So it's a green flag for you as well. It
Speaker 1: was a neutral colored flag. It's a brown flag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good. It's not too
Speaker 2: bad. Right? Because my best friend, so I'm actually really,
Speaker 2: really close to her partner as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So whenever we go out there's this running joke. Like,
Speaker 2: who is the actual girlfriend? Who is third winning? Who
Speaker 2: is third winning? Is it me or is it you? Yeah.
Speaker 2: But
Speaker 1: that's good that you guys all have a good relationship.
Speaker 1: I think that's important. Yeah. But I think another reason why,
Speaker 1: like we not mentioned just now you are a bit more, like,
Speaker 1: open to speaking with your girl, best friend, right? Every
Speaker 1: few months you meet up over dinner and maybe you
Speaker 1: just go into more detail and depth about your life
Speaker 1: as you do with your male best friend.
Speaker 1: Do you find it hard to be emotionally vulnerable to
Speaker 1: your male, best friends? Is that the reason why you
Speaker 1: don't speak as much with them?
Speaker 2: I think in general it's easier to be emotionally vulnerable
Speaker 2: to ghost. Right. Yeah, because I, I feel like the
Speaker 2: feeling gets reciprocated more question your brother, is it then
Speaker 2: no shit against guys, right? Love guys, love girls. But
Speaker 2: um
Speaker 2: but I think when guys, when we first form friendships, right?
Speaker 2: It's very much over silly things when it's like over
Speaker 2: game gaming. Like we laugh, we tease each other, but
Speaker 2: an interaction with a girl is slightly different, at least
Speaker 2: for me like there isn't that straight up like, bro, like,
Speaker 2: you know, what kind of shoes are those? Like, not,
Speaker 2: at least not from the very beginning. No, no,
Speaker 2: at least not from, from the very beginning. So I
Speaker 2: think once the foundation of how a friendship is formed
Speaker 2: is already there, it might be a bit harder to
Speaker 2: break out of it. Yeah. But I do still have
Speaker 2: very vulnerable talks with my very close guy friends. So
Speaker 2: like a manager, like my manager, I, I think I've
Speaker 2: been the most vulnerable to my manager actually. Would she
Speaker 2: say that with male friendships? Like romances? Usually if you're
Speaker 2: going through a really tough time
Speaker 2: you already said stuff like that, you wait till the
Speaker 2: last minute, like you cannot anymore and then you go
Speaker 2: to them and open up a little bit more than usual.
Speaker 2: For sure. For sure. It's more of, I think I
Speaker 2: want to try to solve the thing myself first. I
Speaker 2: don't want to like, you know, I, I don't want
Speaker 2: to impose on you.
Speaker 1: Ok. So that's Bromance. So we're talking about a relationship
Speaker 1: that is strictly non sexual
Speaker 1: assume based on what I've been talking about so far. Now,
Speaker 1: let's move on to bl boys love. OK. So what
Speaker 1: I understand about boys love is basically BLB boys love boys, right?
Speaker 1: As what was portrayed in the day I loved you.
Speaker 1: What was it like the chemistry between Eli and Nicole?
Speaker 2: Do you mean the characters or do you mean me
Speaker 2: and the actor, you and the actor? OK. Um The
Speaker 2: very first time I saw um the actor, his name
Speaker 2: is Tommy. So when I first saw Tommy is actually
Speaker 2: doing auditions
Speaker 2: and we did a small script read together. I really
Speaker 2: felt that Tommy was the perfect person for the role.
Speaker 2: Straight away from the very start because I felt there's
Speaker 2: a certain kind of chemistry between us
Speaker 2: that II, I actually told the producer and the director
Speaker 2: like it has to be Tommy. I really, I really
Speaker 2: did want it to be Tommy. Oh,
Speaker 1: you were in a position to decide. Oh, I
Speaker 2: wasn't such, it just so happened that I was picked
Speaker 2: for the role first. I see.
Speaker 1: OK, so you have more of like a saying power
Speaker 1: as to who you want to,
Speaker 2: I think it is
Speaker 1: important, right? Like for the chemistry,
Speaker 1: but I believe like right from the get go as
Speaker 1: you were mentioning, there had to be sort of a
Speaker 1: barrier to the Bromance that could be portrayed between you
Speaker 1: and him, right? Like even in real life as yourselves
Speaker 1: as actors, you had to sort of like get yourself
Speaker 1: into the role of the romantic kind of relationship. Was
Speaker 1: it
Speaker 2: awkward? Not really, actually it really wasn't because Tommy was
Speaker 2: very professional and he's such such a great actor.
Speaker 2: So on set when he was in the zone, it
Speaker 2: was very easy for me to, to give it back
Speaker 2: to him. Yeah, I, I enjoy it,
Speaker 1: enjoy it back to him. Give him the energy
Speaker 2: like, yeah, give the energy, that energy,
Speaker 1: so very professional. Are you guys
Speaker 2: friends? For sure, for sure. We still talk, we still
Speaker 2: chat online. You
Speaker 1: love. But boy love is, it's, I think it's a
Speaker 1: relatively new concept um especially to this part of the world,
Speaker 1: but I see a lot of it in Thailand. Yeah, actually,
Speaker 1: I think that's where it kind of, you know, first
Speaker 1: came about in Southeast Asia. And now there are so
Speaker 1: many like boy couples, I've seen some, they have joined
Speaker 1: Instagram accounts. Um And then they promote shows together, they
Speaker 1: take photo shoots together of them like love do. And
Speaker 1: that was pretty cute honestly. And after Thailand picked that up,
Speaker 1: I think Taiwan joined shortly after and then many different places.
Speaker 1: And I think now it's really becoming a huge sensation.
Speaker 1: But what I really want to ask you is what
Speaker 1: did you think about KC
Speaker 1: Tommy on screen? Was it hard for you to execute
Speaker 2: that? As I was saying, I think Tommy was very
Speaker 2: professional about it. Both of us, we we knew from
Speaker 2: the get go, it was gonna happen. So I think
Speaker 2: we had some time to prepare. Like, you know, this is,
Speaker 2: this is a scene we have to do. We didn't
Speaker 2: discuss it though. It wasn't like a OK. This is
Speaker 2: how we're gonna kiss. I'm going to embrace you. No,
Speaker 2: we didn't do that. It was very, it was very natural,
Speaker 2: it was very comfortable. Do you
Speaker 1: feel it was important for you to take on this
Speaker 2: role? Important is a strong word?
Speaker 2: But I felt that it was a great chance for me.
Speaker 2: I really am very thankful that, you know, I got
Speaker 2: to do this show, like not just to the producers
Speaker 2: and the directors in the Philippines, but
Speaker 2: everyone here who is, you know, pushed me for to
Speaker 2: take it up and, and really believed in me.
Speaker 1: It's like a huge step for you. It
Speaker 2: is,
Speaker 1: it's showing people that you can do things not just
Speaker 1: in one dimension but more than that as well. So
Speaker 1: my next question is, what did your parents say after
Speaker 1: finding out that you were about to take such a role?
Speaker 2: These are the
Speaker 2: questions. So um I'm quite close to my mom. OK.
Speaker 2: Um So I did ask her before like, hey mom,
Speaker 2: like what if one day I came out as you know,
Speaker 2: not straight like queer, my mom is quite, it's very Chinese,
Speaker 2: it's typical Chinese mom. So she was a bit like, ok,
Speaker 2: I I will have to accept it right? Because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're my son. So if
Speaker 2: you really are queer, I still love you.
Speaker 2: And when I told her about this role, surprisingly, she
Speaker 2: was very supportive. Yeah. The only thing she asked me was,
Speaker 2: can you cook with your school if you had, if
Speaker 2: you go to the Philippines film as a Chinese mom
Speaker 2: as the
Speaker 1: greats are important? Wow, that's very surprising that, you know,
Speaker 1: she was so supportive of you that I think
Speaker 2: I get a sense that, you know, you were very
Speaker 2: open to this from the very beginning, you know, that
Speaker 2: um it's a good career set for you. Uh It's
Speaker 2: a great role opportunity. But I think for a lot
Speaker 2: of males out there till today, even when it's, you know,
Speaker 2: in 2023 there might be some of them who feel
Speaker 2: a little bit like
Speaker 2: um that in my heart. There are future steps, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Um There might be some of
Speaker 2: them who feel like once I portray a certain role
Speaker 2: like this um that I get type custard into this
Speaker 2: or that now people see me as this person. Did
Speaker 2: you have any such reservations? I would be lying if
Speaker 2: I said I was completely free from these thoughts. I mean,
Speaker 2: it didn't occur to me like what if you know,
Speaker 2: what if I only get custard for bl from now on?
Speaker 2: But after I thought about it for a bit, I
Speaker 2: realized that it doesn't really matter. Does it actually? Why not? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why
Speaker 1: not such a strong,
Speaker 2: right? If I get as a beer actor, then so
Speaker 2: be it. II, I would just do it.
Speaker 2: And I think in a way it's kind of a
Speaker 2: positive thing because if people have the mindset that, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a, be a actor, I'm a beer actor and
Speaker 2: I do well in a series that's outside of the genre,
Speaker 2: people will see that actually this guy can do a
Speaker 2: lot more than just be
Speaker 1: making a strong impact on both ends. Yeah. Why, why not? So,
Speaker 1: I read online on an article that your studies really
Speaker 1: will affect. How did she
Speaker 2: take it? Sorry, mom. Very, very sorry, mom. I love
Speaker 2: you very much. I haven't told her yet. I hope,
Speaker 2: I hope she hasn't seen on the news. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it did take a toll because for sure, for sure,
Speaker 2: for sure not. I was writing a thesis paper and
Speaker 2: I took some time off it to film. But I
Speaker 2: think overall I'm still doing fine.
Speaker 2: I hope I don't fail. Your grade is not out yet.
Speaker 2: My grades are not out yet.
Speaker 1: Oh, everybody say asylum.
Speaker 2: It's too late now, isn't it? Yeah, you are
Speaker 1: graduating actually. I'm sure she's seen how successful you are
Speaker 1: right after this entire series was posted online and the
Speaker 1: sort of like support that you've been receiving from people,
Speaker 1: not just in Singapore, but the Philippines as
Speaker 2: well. When I first did the series, I did not
Speaker 2: think that
Speaker 2: I got so much support. You know, I said it,
Speaker 2: I said it before but I can't stress how grateful
Speaker 2: I am for everyone who's been involved.
Speaker 1: No, but I think it was a big step on
Speaker 1: your part to take a chance in this. That probably
Speaker 1: a lot of people just knowing that it's a BL
Speaker 1: series would have turned down,
Speaker 1: right? Maybe people that are you Gen Z? He is
Speaker 2: OK. But you are, I
Speaker 1: would think that maybe people even just five years older
Speaker 1: than you would have turned it down just because maybe
Speaker 1: they have their own business
Speaker 1: be um about, you know, things surrounding um queer love
Speaker 1: bl and all that. But what were your views right
Speaker 1: before you filmed this show about LGBT, LGBT Q plus,
Speaker 1: LGBT Qi A plus Yes. Yes.
Speaker 2: What are my, what are my thoughts? Were you always
Speaker 2: an ally? You know? Yeah. Actually, I, I don't think
Speaker 2: my thoughts before and after I filmed the series has changed,
Speaker 2: I always thought that, you know, it's all about preference. Right?
Speaker 2: I may like broccoli more. You may like cauliflower more.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, at the end
Speaker 2: of the, yeah. So, I really think it personal to
Speaker 2: personal preference and the type of people or whoever you like.
Speaker 2: That's not the final.
Speaker 2: It really doesn't define who you are. Love is love.
Speaker 2: Love is love.
Speaker 1: But have you received any hate comments for portraying such
Speaker 1: a role?
Speaker 2: Thankfully? Not yet.
Speaker 1: Wow, because you have got a presence on Tik Tok
Speaker 1: and tiktok. There are a lot of very nasty comments.
Speaker 1: I pray you never received it. I just do 13
Speaker 1: seconds dance and I get like multiple like bad comments.
Speaker 2: I do get bad comments. Ok? I really do
Speaker 2: not about this but not about this. So everyone has
Speaker 2: been very supportive of this venture. Oh, that's wonderful. My
Speaker 2: next question actually is sometimes within your group of friends, especially,
Speaker 2: you know, Bromance, bros, you tease each other sometimes there's
Speaker 2: this like male, like you gotta be strong, you gotta be,
Speaker 2: you know, like very guy thing when you go to
Speaker 2: the gym, the gym, gym, bro, when you took this
Speaker 2: role up when it blew up. Um Were there any
Speaker 2: comments for your guy friends. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: just like, you know, teasing you. I'm sure they are
Speaker 2: very proud of you. Did they say anything about it?
Speaker 2: Most of the, the, you know, the teasing I've gotten
Speaker 2: was like, you know, oh, you, you're doing so you're
Speaker 2: going to kiss someone, right? Yeah. It's just that, it's just,
Speaker 2: it stops there. Like, it's very, it's very, like teasing.
Speaker 2: My friends are generally very, very supportive of me.
Speaker 1: So good friends.
Speaker 2: I'm selective.
Speaker 2: Actually, my next question also is that, um, as your
Speaker 2: understanding with your bros, um, with the Bromance and all
Speaker 2: that walk us through some bro coats that you think
Speaker 2: are unspoken of but are in place because we always
Speaker 2: hear about it. Right. But I feel like everybody has
Speaker 2: a different or like bro code, I think they are
Speaker 2: like general. Is
Speaker 1: it like you can vote for the code?
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Yes. That is there any more because I
Speaker 2: feel like that a
Speaker 1: lot. What else can like, bros, not do to each other?
Speaker 2: I can tell what bros do for each other. Ok.
Speaker 2: I think at least within my friend group we try
Speaker 2: to kind of cover up for one another to who
Speaker 2: to anyone. What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like each other's back,
Speaker 2: we have each other's backs. So I'm kind of sound
Speaker 2: like a horrible person,
Speaker 2: but I believe that, that a good bro. Right. Ok.
Speaker 2: Let's see. Let's see. Your bro's girlfriend calls you and
Speaker 2: ask if he's with you. You would say yes, I would. Yes,
Speaker 2: I got your back.
Speaker 1: Where were you, where were you not with your girl?
Speaker 1: Ok. But wouldn't girls do that for each other too?
Speaker 1: Like one time my friend told me if my mom
Speaker 1: asked you where I am ever, like, she didn't give
Speaker 1: me an end date. Like, I guess it's for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life forever. Just say that you. So
Speaker 1: I have, I have done that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's
Speaker 1: with me and
Speaker 1: OK, so covering up for each other in that sense,
Speaker 1: I can't
Speaker 2: think of any at the top of my head. Right?
Speaker 2: Actually girl code and boy
Speaker 1: code. Yeah. At the basis of it it's, you know,
Speaker 1: being a good friend, right? Having someone's back. But I
Speaker 1: have heard so much about BL is there GL there
Speaker 1: actually is WW oh, woman love women, am I right?
Speaker 1: Or GG? I am
Speaker 2: not too sure but I know there is, it's not
Speaker 2: as big
Speaker 1: of a niche.
Speaker 2: It's the biggest scene right now. I think so too
Speaker 2: because the consumers are women and they want to see
Speaker 2: you guys actually. That's true. A
Speaker 1: lot of the target audience are heterosexual women. B CBC. Basically. OK.
Speaker 1: So why, why cute boy. Yeah. Yeah. Two cute boys
Speaker 1: plus one bad boy and one good boy. The more
Speaker 1: the merrier, right? Sorry. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: Moving on. So, yeah, I mean GL who knows that
Speaker 1: could be like a new niche in the next like 5,
Speaker 1: 10 years. I totally think so. Yeah. But do you
Speaker 1: see yourself portraying in similar roles moving
Speaker 2: on? I, I would love to, if there are any
Speaker 2: suitable roles, if the script is good, why not? I,
Speaker 2: I really would love to like currently we are having
Speaker 2: some talks
Speaker 2: in the Philippines again. Hopefully it goes through and hopefully
Speaker 2: I can bring you guys more shows to watch. Yeah. OK.
Speaker 1: Some notes from our producer, OK, a little disclaimer in
Speaker 1: some countries, bl dramas can be crucial in raising the
Speaker 1: visibility of love between same genders. But we acknowledge that
Speaker 1: bl dramas can also be controversial
Speaker 1: um due to some homophobic undertones, especially when like gay
Speaker 1: men are portrayed as predators, for example. But thankfully, we
Speaker 1: can safely say that there's no such portrayal in the
Speaker 1: series that you were in was in and we hope
Speaker 1: that the media representation of the gay community
Speaker 1: gets better in the future. Absolutely. OK. So moving on
Speaker 1: whether it's romance or it's bl we can all agree
Speaker 1: that being in any sort of relationship allows you to
Speaker 1: express emotions and sometimes being vulnerable. So girls, when was
Speaker 1: the last time you were vulnerable to someone last night?
Speaker 1: You know, what's the thing? Right? I've told I've said
Speaker 1: this before on the podcast, I find it very hard
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable on social media um because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there. It's very scary and you
Speaker 1: may look weak, you may look like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: not strong. But I was just in my feelings basically
Speaker 1: last night and I was talking to a friend
Speaker 1: and she said to me, uh Jermaine always remember you
Speaker 1: are beautiful, you are loved and you are doing well
Speaker 1: and I really needed to hear that right. It's just
Speaker 1: simple words. So I screenshot that and I put that
Speaker 1: on my story and then I said just in case
Speaker 1: you needed to hear it too,
Speaker 1: the amount of responses I got of people saying I
Speaker 1: really needed that. Just you know, from, from words that
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying it to you, but just putting
Speaker 1: it on your story and you internalizing it. I'm beautiful.
Speaker 1: I'm loved. I'm doing well. So many people needed that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, don't be afraid to share,
Speaker 1: show vulnerability. Actually, I feel that Jermaine is a very
Speaker 1: tough woman like she hardly shows her vulnerable side to
Speaker 1: anyone at all. OK. Our tougher lady, when was the
Speaker 1: last time you were vulnerable?
Speaker 2: An open book. Remember we agreed on that. So maybe
Speaker 2: this morning last night,
Speaker 1: five minutes ago, five minutes ago. No, I think the
Speaker 1: three of us, we are very true to our emotions,
Speaker 1: like whatever we feel, we show it by the way.
Speaker 1: So I would say the last time I was vulnerable
Speaker 1: probably like within this week as well. Yeah, I'll speak
Speaker 1: to my family my friends about whatever I'm feeling
Speaker 2: at all. I think for me it differs,
Speaker 2: there are things that I'm willing to be vulnerable about,
Speaker 2: but some things I'd rather not share your closest friends.
Speaker 2: Here comes the time frame thing. Right? Ah, yeah. So
Speaker 2: I think the more reserved I am on a certain topic,
Speaker 2: the longer it takes for me to actually be like, hey, yo,
Speaker 2: I need to talk to someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it depends on what the thing is in
Speaker 2: the circumstances. But if we are talking about vulnerability in
Speaker 2: general two days ago over what I had a good
Speaker 2: talk with my friend in JB in Malaysia, we were
Speaker 2: just ironing out like how we sometimes have miscommunications and
Speaker 2: understanding how I feel. And he also told me how
Speaker 2: he feel. So I think we've matured,
Speaker 2: our friendship has matured from that,
Speaker 1: you know, girls have cat fight. The boys have like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, dog fight. Like what is the, have
Speaker 1: you ever fought with a bro?
Speaker 2: We argue but I don't think it gets, I haven't
Speaker 2: gotten physical. I hope I don't have to get physical
Speaker 1: but if you need it, no, no violence is never
Speaker 1: the answer. Come on.
Speaker 1: No violence. But I'd say it's ok to be vulnerable
Speaker 1: because there's actually many perks of being vulnerable. I mean,
Speaker 1: as irony as it sounds, it actually helps to promote
Speaker 1: your mental well-being. It also helps to build empathy with,
Speaker 1: you know, the people around you because if, if you
Speaker 1: always look strong and you know, like that nothing can
Speaker 1: affect you, then no one's gonna feel any sort of
Speaker 1: emotion for you.
Speaker 2: Like a robot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a robot, a pristine robot. And I think on
Speaker 1: the rare times that you are vulnerable to someone, it
Speaker 1: actually helps you foster a stronger connection between you and
Speaker 1: the other party. So to all of you listening to
Speaker 1: a harsh podcast, people out there don't be afraid to
Speaker 1: be vulnerable. Just let yourself be true to your truest emotions.
Speaker 1: I think that's very, very helpful.
Speaker 2: True. You feel a lot lighter, you feel like you
Speaker 2: get it off your chest. And actually, right, very recently
Speaker 2: I had this thought to myself of which I think
Speaker 2: for so long in society, we've always been conditioned that
Speaker 2: when someone asks you, how are you, how have you
Speaker 2: been doing? The immediate response is good. I'm ok. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But recently when people ask me that if I'm not ok,
Speaker 2: I go actually, I'm not ok. Or actually I've been
Speaker 2: struggling
Speaker 2: and I think if only everyone would respond a little
Speaker 2: truer to what they were actually feeling instead of the generic.
Speaker 2: Why and how did it come to how you had
Speaker 2: to be responded with? I'm good. I think sometimes it's
Speaker 2: a bit tough though, isn't it to tell somebody? Like
Speaker 2: if someone ask you how's your day and you tell
Speaker 2: them actually could be better.
Speaker 2: I, I feel sometimes like I am posing on them like,
Speaker 2: like why, why are you making my, why should I
Speaker 2: make your day a little bit worse? Like
Speaker 1: you making the other party feel a bit more negative
Speaker 1: or like making him or her feel obliged to ask you. Oh,
Speaker 1: what's wrong?
Speaker 2: Maybe I do get that feeling sometimes. So
Speaker 1: it depends how close you are to the party and
Speaker 1: in what context,
Speaker 1: like for example, if I run into hazy in the
Speaker 1: lift here and we have 30 seconds and she asked me,
Speaker 1: how are you doing today? I'm not gonna start crying
Speaker 1: because she will be like, oh my God, what do
Speaker 1: I do? But if we're at lunch or where, you know,
Speaker 1: we have a good time to, to chat then yeah,
Speaker 1: I will, I will share a bit more extensively, right?
Speaker 1: I think the
Speaker 1: so last but not least any final words to your
Speaker 1: bros out there. Who
Speaker 2: I always got your back, bro? Always, always, you mean
Speaker 2: said it's forever, right? You forever until death even past
Speaker 1: where is best with me next?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really thankful for all of you guys, you
Speaker 2: know who you are. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: I got you back no matter what, I hope you
Speaker 2: got my back. Oh,
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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. It's my pleasure. Actually, thank you for
Speaker 2: having me here. Thank you. Thank you. I shall go
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Speaker 1: never mind. You need a good cry. Excuse me?
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