1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:03,339 Speaker 1: Hi, and I'm Jermaine and welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:03,349 --> 00:00:03,670 Speaker 1: of Clev. 3 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:07,489 Speaker 1: We Got Boys today 4 00:00:08,699 --> 00:00:11,359 Speaker 1: today. We welcome actor and content creator. 5 00:00:14,609 --> 00:00:15,699 Speaker 2: Welcome. Welcome. 6 00:00:15,710 --> 00:00:17,559 Speaker 1: So, are 7 00:00:17,569 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 2: you? I'm not gonna lie. I'm a little bit nervous 8 00:00:20,329 --> 00:00:24,770 Speaker 2: why I mean, it's the first like podcast I've done 9 00:00:24,780 --> 00:00:27,450 Speaker 2: since I got back from the Philippines. We are, we 10 00:00:27,459 --> 00:00:27,500 Speaker 2: are 11 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,670 Speaker 1: very, very. Thank you. Thank you, Radel. Tell us more 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: about yourself and our viewers here in Harsh 13 00:00:31,370 --> 00:00:34,819 Speaker 2: Podcast. Um Hi, I am Rayna. I am an actor. 14 00:00:35,299 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: Um I actually just graduated from UNI I'll be having 15 00:00:39,529 --> 00:00:43,779 Speaker 2: my commencement, I think sometime in July. Congratulations. Thank you. 16 00:00:44,049 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: So I'm very, yeah, so I study psychology for four years. 17 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:51,220 Speaker 2: Not sure why I did it now that I'm acting. 18 00:00:52,415 --> 00:00:54,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very enjoyable. So, so what were 19 00:00:54,395 --> 00:00:55,415 Speaker 1: you doing in the Philippines? You 20 00:00:55,424 --> 00:00:58,575 Speaker 2: mentioned Philippines? Um I was actually in the Philippines to 21 00:00:58,584 --> 00:01:01,915 Speaker 2: film a series. It's called The Day I Love You. Yes, 22 00:01:02,014 --> 00:01:06,805 Speaker 2: it's hit, major hit. It is, it is, it is, 23 00:01:06,815 --> 00:01:08,893 Speaker 2: it's been, the viewership has been good. The support has 24 00:01:08,904 --> 00:01:11,464 Speaker 2: been great. So it's a BL series and I play 25 00:01:11,474 --> 00:01:12,245 Speaker 2: the role of Eli. 26 00:01:12,779 --> 00:01:16,029 Speaker 2: So Eli is a resident, you know, bad boy kind 27 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: of guy who falls in love with the nerdy kid 28 00:01:18,730 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: at school. And for those who are not familiar, what's 29 00:01:21,010 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: a BL series? Can you explain to us? Yes. So 30 00:01:23,769 --> 00:01:28,230 Speaker 2: a BL series is a series with two male leads who, 31 00:01:28,250 --> 00:01:31,110 Speaker 2: you know, fall in love with one another. So boy 32 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,830 Speaker 2: love bl, oh, I love that. 33 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:35,750 Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I want to get like to know more 34 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,419 Speaker 1: about how it was like acting in this series later on. But, 35 00:01:39,430 --> 00:01:41,449 Speaker 1: you know, here on harsh podcast, we actually focus a 36 00:01:41,459 --> 00:01:41,529 Speaker 1: lot 37 00:01:41,596 --> 00:01:45,746 Speaker 1: on women centric topics. A lot of our listeners are females, 38 00:01:45,755 --> 00:01:47,646 Speaker 1: but we also have a lot of them who are 39 00:01:47,655 --> 00:01:49,846 Speaker 1: males as well. So today, we want to bring you 40 00:01:49,856 --> 00:01:54,335 Speaker 1: a note on the show to discuss male friendships like 41 00:01:54,346 --> 00:01:58,755 Speaker 1: you mentioned, maybe not bl per se, but Bromance. So basically, 42 00:01:58,765 --> 00:02:02,166 Speaker 1: Bromance is made up of two words, brothers and romance. 43 00:02:02,536 --> 00:02:05,505 Speaker 1: The definition of Bromance is a term to define a 44 00:02:05,515 --> 00:02:08,585 Speaker 1: strong and close friendship between two men. And this is 45 00:02:08,595 --> 00:02:10,345 Speaker 1: not to be confused with AEX 46 00:02:10,410 --> 00:02:13,291 Speaker 1: relationship. So it's a friendship, right? Ok. 47 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: Actually, I would say I beg to differ. I would 48 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:18,460 Speaker 2: say it's more of a brotherhood 49 00:02:20,401 --> 00:02:23,421 Speaker 1: like brothers from different mothers. Yes, I think 50 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,710 Speaker 2: to, to call it a friendship. I feel like it 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,391 Speaker 2: doesn't encompass exactly what a Bromance is. It's a bit 52 00:02:31,401 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: more than a friendship. 53 00:02:32,660 --> 00:02:34,829 Speaker 1: Ok. So, in this industry, who do you have a 54 00:02:34,841 --> 00:02:35,281 Speaker 1: Bromance 55 00:02:35,291 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: with, in this? Oh, my manager, for sure. 56 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,410 Speaker 2: Ok. So you would say it's definitely more than a friendship. 57 00:02:43,419 --> 00:02:46,500 Speaker 2: It's almost like a best friend situation. But most of 58 00:02:46,508 --> 00:02:49,750 Speaker 2: the time sometimes it's like a group of boys. Yes. 59 00:02:49,758 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: A group of boys, perhaps not. I think it's, it's 60 00:02:53,729 --> 00:02:57,470 Speaker 2: possible to have romance between just two guys. 1 to 1. Yeah, 61 00:02:57,619 --> 00:02:59,380 Speaker 2: it's very similar to a best friend situation. 62 00:02:59,389 --> 00:03:00,669 Speaker 1: I'm very curious. Right. 63 00:03:00,770 --> 00:03:03,669 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we only, I mean, we mostly discuss 64 00:03:03,679 --> 00:03:06,419 Speaker 1: like our girlfriends, our, you know, our best and all 65 00:03:06,429 --> 00:03:08,949 Speaker 1: that for guys. I mean, do you call each other? 66 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,380 Speaker 1: Like your BFF, your besties? How, how does it work 67 00:03:12,389 --> 00:03:14,149 Speaker 1: in like a male, bro, man? How do you call 68 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:20,580 Speaker 1: each other? Is it just that what calls me, like 69 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:22,309 Speaker 1: in a, 70 00:03:23,899 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: I didn't see that between like Bromance, right guy, best friends. 71 00:03:27,449 --> 00:03:29,279 Speaker 1: Is it like girl, best friends where we, you know, 72 00:03:29,288 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: we tell each other like our deepest darkest secrets. I 73 00:03:31,970 --> 00:03:34,910 Speaker 1: find that my male friends, like how close they are, 74 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:37,759 Speaker 1: they just don't go in depth with their problems and issues, 75 00:03:37,770 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: you know? But they would tell me, like, would you 76 00:03:39,369 --> 00:03:42,919 Speaker 1: cry in front of each other? Male, best friends? Ok. You, 77 00:03:42,929 --> 00:03:46,100 Speaker 2: I haven't cried in front of my male best friends. 78 00:03:46,110 --> 00:03:48,039 Speaker 2: Not that I remember 79 00:03:48,184 --> 00:03:48,225 Speaker 2: your 80 00:03:49,664 --> 00:03:51,274 Speaker 1: manager. Have you cried in front of Sean? 81 00:03:51,285 --> 00:03:55,615 Speaker 2: Your manager? I have in front of sea. But for, 82 00:03:55,625 --> 00:03:57,934 Speaker 2: for guys, I think, like you said, it's more like, hey, 83 00:03:57,945 --> 00:03:59,914 Speaker 2: you know, we are bros but we do share, I 84 00:03:59,925 --> 00:04:02,375 Speaker 2: do have friends, guy friends like my bros that I 85 00:04:02,384 --> 00:04:06,345 Speaker 2: share my worries and really my deepest secrets with. So 86 00:04:06,485 --> 00:04:11,035 Speaker 2: maybe it's not as common as girls, but it does occur. 87 00:04:11,054 --> 00:04:12,414 Speaker 2: I think girls, 88 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:14,710 Speaker 2: you know, we talk about everything, we go in depth, 89 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,349 Speaker 2: the details and everything, not important details. I have, you know, 90 00:04:18,549 --> 00:04:22,058 Speaker 2: um I recently realized that guys also talk. Oh, but 91 00:04:22,070 --> 00:04:24,390 Speaker 2: I think you don't go into the details of it. 92 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:26,149 Speaker 2: It's headlines, headlines, headlines 93 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,100 Speaker 1: summarized 94 00:04:27,690 --> 00:04:30,959 Speaker 2: actually. Yes, I do agree with that. We don't, we 95 00:04:30,970 --> 00:04:34,390 Speaker 2: don't spill as much tea. Yeah. And this is something 96 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:36,559 Speaker 2: I saw actually on one of the tiktok videos. One 97 00:04:36,579 --> 00:04:36,729 Speaker 2: of the 98 00:04:37,244 --> 00:04:40,015 Speaker 2: was saying like, you know, guys don't understand if you 99 00:04:40,024 --> 00:04:41,984 Speaker 2: don't speak the details. I don't want to hear it. 100 00:04:41,994 --> 00:04:42,933 Speaker 2: It's true. Is 101 00:04:42,945 --> 00:04:45,183 Speaker 1: it true? Yeah, because I have a lot of questions. 102 00:04:45,195 --> 00:04:47,595 Speaker 1: It's like if, if let's say, you know, you tell you, 103 00:04:47,605 --> 00:04:50,295 Speaker 1: tell me like, oh a girlfriend. Oh, I met a 104 00:04:50,303 --> 00:04:52,915 Speaker 1: girl last week. I want to know what was she wearing? 105 00:04:52,924 --> 00:04:56,244 Speaker 1: What perfume she was wearing? What makeup she had? What 106 00:04:56,265 --> 00:04:56,755 Speaker 1: did you eat? 107 00:04:57,053 --> 00:04:59,924 Speaker 2: Yeah. She had long hair. She was wearing white hair, 108 00:05:00,334 --> 00:05:01,024 Speaker 2: wore heels. 109 00:05:04,299 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: Ok. So this brings me to my next question. Male 110 00:05:06,769 --> 00:05:11,109 Speaker 1: friendships are more low effort and low maintenance. Do you agree? 111 00:05:11,119 --> 00:05:14,859 Speaker 2: Kind of, I think because I have two really, really, 112 00:05:14,869 --> 00:05:17,789 Speaker 2: really close guy friends. Ok. And we don't really speak 113 00:05:17,799 --> 00:05:21,170 Speaker 2: as much, like we don't have to text every day. We, 114 00:05:21,178 --> 00:05:24,058 Speaker 2: sometimes we meet like, once every few months, but I 115 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:25,850 Speaker 2: still know that they're there for me. We still bros. 116 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:29,890 Speaker 2: I would say that my best friend is actually a girl. She's, 117 00:05:29,899 --> 00:05:31,859 Speaker 2: she's been my friend since we were in, 118 00:05:32,149 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: um, secondary school and she do, I don't really have 119 00:05:35,730 --> 00:05:38,269 Speaker 2: much conversation with her but whenever we meet up we 120 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,549 Speaker 2: just catch up over like dinner or lunch, you know. But, yeah, 121 00:05:42,559 --> 00:05:44,380 Speaker 2: I still know she's there for me. I don't, I 122 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: feel like I did not answer your question. 123 00:05:46,209 --> 00:05:49,049 Speaker 1: I feel like in general your friendships are maintain, 124 00:05:49,410 --> 00:05:52,058 Speaker 2: I think in general. Right? A little bit of what 125 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:53,109 Speaker 2: adult friendships look 126 00:05:53,119 --> 00:05:56,220 Speaker 1: like. Yeah. Once you step into society, you just don't 127 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:57,099 Speaker 1: have time to meet your friends 128 00:05:57,190 --> 00:06:00,579 Speaker 1: every week, like you do back in university. But between 129 00:06:00,589 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: guy best friends, I mean, with guys there's always like 130 00:06:02,649 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: ego and pride, you know, there's always that sense of 131 00:06:04,649 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: ego and pride. Not that girls don't have it but 132 00:06:06,730 --> 00:06:09,250 Speaker 1: has ego, like, ever come in the way of, you know, 133 00:06:09,260 --> 00:06:11,489 Speaker 1: you and your guy best friend, like, fight over the 134 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: same girl. 135 00:06:12,049 --> 00:06:13,709 Speaker 2: Thankfully, my, 136 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: my good friends and I, my bros and I, we 137 00:06:17,209 --> 00:06:21,428 Speaker 2: have different taste in, in partner. Yeah. 138 00:06:21,738 --> 00:06:22,959 Speaker 1: Good to hear. 139 00:06:24,220 --> 00:06:26,709 Speaker 2: Um, so for everyone out there, what's their long 140 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:36,219 Speaker 1: hair, white dress and look, I remember today. Ok. Interesting 141 00:06:36,309 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: to the girl. Another question. Ok. What do you think 142 00:06:38,850 --> 00:06:41,209 Speaker 1: of men who are in a Bromance? 143 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:45,269 Speaker 1: Let's say your other half has someone he is very, 144 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,100 Speaker 1: very close with. Every weekend we meet up to play 145 00:06:48,109 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: soccer kind. Is that a green flag or a red 146 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:52,540 Speaker 1: flag for you? Green flag? Yeah, for me as well. 147 00:06:52,549 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: It is a green flag. I would prefer, they have 148 00:06:54,250 --> 00:06:56,690 Speaker 1: romances than, like, I'm so sorry. I know you have 149 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: a girl, best friend but I would prefer guy, best 150 00:06:58,488 --> 00:07:01,928 Speaker 1: friends than girl, best friends. Just because not that there's 151 00:07:01,940 --> 00:07:04,029 Speaker 1: anything wrong with having a girl best friend, but just 152 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,428 Speaker 1: because I really have nothing to worry. If it's a guy, 153 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: best friend. If I had something to worry, then, you know, 154 00:07:08,769 --> 00:07:09,709 Speaker 1: it's too late. 155 00:07:10,910 --> 00:07:12,579 Speaker 1: So it's a green flag for you as well. It 156 00:07:12,589 --> 00:07:14,869 Speaker 1: was a neutral colored flag. It's a brown flag. Yeah, 157 00:07:15,690 --> 00:07:16,730 Speaker 1: it's good. It's not too 158 00:07:16,739 --> 00:07:21,230 Speaker 2: bad. Right? Because my best friend, so I'm actually really, 159 00:07:21,239 --> 00:07:23,940 Speaker 2: really close to her partner as well. 160 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,619 Speaker 2: Yeah. So whenever we go out there's this running joke. Like, 161 00:07:28,630 --> 00:07:32,070 Speaker 2: who is the actual girlfriend? Who is third winning? Who 162 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:35,730 Speaker 2: is third winning? Is it me or is it you? Yeah. 163 00:07:35,739 --> 00:07:36,140 Speaker 2: But 164 00:07:36,149 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: that's good that you guys all have a good relationship. 165 00:07:38,350 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: I think that's important. Yeah. But I think another reason why, 166 00:07:41,609 --> 00:07:44,119 Speaker 1: like we not mentioned just now you are a bit more, like, 167 00:07:44,130 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: open to speaking with your girl, best friend, right? Every 168 00:07:46,489 --> 00:07:48,339 Speaker 1: few months you meet up over dinner and maybe you 169 00:07:48,350 --> 00:07:51,170 Speaker 1: just go into more detail and depth about your life 170 00:07:51,179 --> 00:07:52,670 Speaker 1: as you do with your male best friend. 171 00:07:53,230 --> 00:07:57,049 Speaker 1: Do you find it hard to be emotionally vulnerable to 172 00:07:57,059 --> 00:07:59,739 Speaker 1: your male, best friends? Is that the reason why you 173 00:07:59,750 --> 00:08:00,940 Speaker 1: don't speak as much with them? 174 00:08:00,950 --> 00:08:04,950 Speaker 2: I think in general it's easier to be emotionally vulnerable 175 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:07,869 Speaker 2: to ghost. Right. Yeah, because I, I feel like the 176 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:15,250 Speaker 2: feeling gets reciprocated more question your brother, is it then 177 00:08:16,709 --> 00:08:19,959 Speaker 2: no shit against guys, right? Love guys, love girls. But 178 00:08:19,970 --> 00:08:20,260 Speaker 2: um 179 00:08:21,970 --> 00:08:25,730 Speaker 2: but I think when guys, when we first form friendships, right? 180 00:08:25,890 --> 00:08:30,420 Speaker 2: It's very much over silly things when it's like over 181 00:08:30,429 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: game gaming. Like we laugh, we tease each other, but 182 00:08:34,530 --> 00:08:36,729 Speaker 2: an interaction with a girl is slightly different, at least 183 00:08:36,739 --> 00:08:41,479 Speaker 2: for me like there isn't that straight up like, bro, like, 184 00:08:41,489 --> 00:08:43,429 Speaker 2: you know, what kind of shoes are those? Like, not, 185 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,659 Speaker 2: at least not from the very beginning. No, no, 186 00:08:46,929 --> 00:08:49,569 Speaker 2: at least not from, from the very beginning. So I 187 00:08:49,580 --> 00:08:52,369 Speaker 2: think once the foundation of how a friendship is formed 188 00:08:52,380 --> 00:08:54,809 Speaker 2: is already there, it might be a bit harder to 189 00:08:54,820 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: break out of it. Yeah. But I do still have 190 00:08:57,969 --> 00:09:01,770 Speaker 2: very vulnerable talks with my very close guy friends. So 191 00:09:01,780 --> 00:09:04,799 Speaker 2: like a manager, like my manager, I, I think I've 192 00:09:04,809 --> 00:09:09,150 Speaker 2: been the most vulnerable to my manager actually. Would she 193 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: say that with male friendships? Like romances? Usually if you're 194 00:09:13,210 --> 00:09:14,229 Speaker 2: going through a really tough time 195 00:09:14,405 --> 00:09:17,245 Speaker 2: you already said stuff like that, you wait till the 196 00:09:17,255 --> 00:09:20,875 Speaker 2: last minute, like you cannot anymore and then you go 197 00:09:20,885 --> 00:09:22,955 Speaker 2: to them and open up a little bit more than usual. 198 00:09:22,966 --> 00:09:29,616 Speaker 2: For sure. For sure. It's more of, I think I 199 00:09:29,625 --> 00:09:32,466 Speaker 2: want to try to solve the thing myself first. I 200 00:09:32,476 --> 00:09:35,395 Speaker 2: don't want to like, you know, I, I don't want 201 00:09:35,426 --> 00:09:36,195 Speaker 2: to impose on you. 202 00:09:36,325 --> 00:09:39,676 Speaker 1: Ok. So that's Bromance. So we're talking about a relationship 203 00:09:39,684 --> 00:09:41,486 Speaker 1: that is strictly non sexual 204 00:09:41,892 --> 00:09:43,961 Speaker 1: assume based on what I've been talking about so far. Now, 205 00:09:43,971 --> 00:09:47,651 Speaker 1: let's move on to bl boys love. OK. So what 206 00:09:47,660 --> 00:09:52,081 Speaker 1: I understand about boys love is basically BLB boys love boys, right? 207 00:09:52,091 --> 00:09:54,692 Speaker 1: As what was portrayed in the day I loved you. 208 00:09:54,702 --> 00:09:57,802 Speaker 1: What was it like the chemistry between Eli and Nicole? 209 00:09:57,822 --> 00:09:59,721 Speaker 2: Do you mean the characters or do you mean me 210 00:09:59,731 --> 00:10:02,932 Speaker 2: and the actor, you and the actor? OK. Um The 211 00:10:02,942 --> 00:10:05,731 Speaker 2: very first time I saw um the actor, his name 212 00:10:05,742 --> 00:10:08,302 Speaker 2: is Tommy. So when I first saw Tommy is actually 213 00:10:08,312 --> 00:10:09,401 Speaker 2: doing auditions 214 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,789 Speaker 2: and we did a small script read together. I really 215 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:17,299 Speaker 2: felt that Tommy was the perfect person for the role. 216 00:10:17,309 --> 00:10:19,580 Speaker 2: Straight away from the very start because I felt there's 217 00:10:19,590 --> 00:10:22,190 Speaker 2: a certain kind of chemistry between us 218 00:10:22,570 --> 00:10:26,979 Speaker 2: that II, I actually told the producer and the director 219 00:10:26,989 --> 00:10:29,849 Speaker 2: like it has to be Tommy. I really, I really 220 00:10:29,859 --> 00:10:31,739 Speaker 2: did want it to be Tommy. Oh, 221 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:34,500 Speaker 1: you were in a position to decide. Oh, I 222 00:10:34,510 --> 00:10:38,468 Speaker 2: wasn't such, it just so happened that I was picked 223 00:10:38,479 --> 00:10:40,380 Speaker 2: for the role first. I see. 224 00:10:40,510 --> 00:10:43,260 Speaker 1: OK, so you have more of like a saying power 225 00:10:43,270 --> 00:10:44,580 Speaker 1: as to who you want to, 226 00:10:44,650 --> 00:10:46,530 Speaker 2: I think it is 227 00:10:46,539 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: important, right? Like for the chemistry, 228 00:10:50,869 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: but I believe like right from the get go as 229 00:10:53,090 --> 00:10:55,210 Speaker 1: you were mentioning, there had to be sort of a 230 00:10:55,219 --> 00:10:57,589 Speaker 1: barrier to the Bromance that could be portrayed between you 231 00:10:57,599 --> 00:11:00,729 Speaker 1: and him, right? Like even in real life as yourselves 232 00:11:00,739 --> 00:11:03,270 Speaker 1: as actors, you had to sort of like get yourself 233 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,500 Speaker 1: into the role of the romantic kind of relationship. Was 234 00:11:07,510 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: it 235 00:11:07,570 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: awkward? Not really, actually it really wasn't because Tommy was 236 00:11:11,530 --> 00:11:14,859 Speaker 2: very professional and he's such such a great actor. 237 00:11:15,090 --> 00:11:17,729 Speaker 2: So on set when he was in the zone, it 238 00:11:17,739 --> 00:11:20,218 Speaker 2: was very easy for me to, to give it back 239 00:11:20,229 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 2: to him. Yeah, I, I enjoy it, 240 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:25,819 Speaker 1: enjoy it back to him. Give him the energy 241 00:11:27,789 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: like, yeah, give the energy, that energy, 242 00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:34,539 Speaker 1: so very professional. Are you guys 243 00:11:34,549 --> 00:11:37,489 Speaker 2: friends? For sure, for sure. We still talk, we still 244 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:40,349 Speaker 2: chat online. You 245 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,739 Speaker 1: love. But boy love is, it's, I think it's a 246 00:11:46,750 --> 00:11:50,700 Speaker 1: relatively new concept um especially to this part of the world, 247 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:53,619 Speaker 1: but I see a lot of it in Thailand. Yeah, actually, 248 00:11:53,650 --> 00:11:56,090 Speaker 1: I think that's where it kind of, you know, first 249 00:11:56,252 --> 00:11:58,862 Speaker 1: came about in Southeast Asia. And now there are so 250 00:11:58,872 --> 00:12:02,242 Speaker 1: many like boy couples, I've seen some, they have joined 251 00:12:02,252 --> 00:12:06,103 Speaker 1: Instagram accounts. Um And then they promote shows together, they 252 00:12:06,112 --> 00:12:09,223 Speaker 1: take photo shoots together of them like love do. And 253 00:12:09,232 --> 00:12:12,353 Speaker 1: that was pretty cute honestly. And after Thailand picked that up, 254 00:12:12,362 --> 00:12:17,421 Speaker 1: I think Taiwan joined shortly after and then many different places. 255 00:12:17,432 --> 00:12:20,293 Speaker 1: And I think now it's really becoming a huge sensation. 256 00:12:20,492 --> 00:12:22,963 Speaker 1: But what I really want to ask you is what 257 00:12:22,973 --> 00:12:24,762 Speaker 1: did you think about KC 258 00:12:25,035 --> 00:12:29,026 Speaker 1: Tommy on screen? Was it hard for you to execute 259 00:12:29,035 --> 00:12:30,915 Speaker 2: that? As I was saying, I think Tommy was very 260 00:12:30,926 --> 00:12:34,684 Speaker 2: professional about it. Both of us, we we knew from 261 00:12:34,695 --> 00:12:36,584 Speaker 2: the get go, it was gonna happen. So I think 262 00:12:36,596 --> 00:12:38,796 Speaker 2: we had some time to prepare. Like, you know, this is, 263 00:12:38,885 --> 00:12:41,026 Speaker 2: this is a scene we have to do. We didn't 264 00:12:41,035 --> 00:12:43,435 Speaker 2: discuss it though. It wasn't like a OK. This is 265 00:12:43,445 --> 00:12:46,056 Speaker 2: how we're gonna kiss. I'm going to embrace you. No, 266 00:12:46,065 --> 00:12:48,165 Speaker 2: we didn't do that. It was very, it was very natural, 267 00:12:48,176 --> 00:12:49,926 Speaker 2: it was very comfortable. Do you 268 00:12:49,934 --> 00:12:51,825 Speaker 1: feel it was important for you to take on this 269 00:12:51,835 --> 00:12:53,535 Speaker 2: role? Important is a strong word? 270 00:12:53,830 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: But I felt that it was a great chance for me. 271 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: I really am very thankful that, you know, I got 272 00:12:59,530 --> 00:13:02,479 Speaker 2: to do this show, like not just to the producers 273 00:13:02,489 --> 00:13:03,979 Speaker 2: and the directors in the Philippines, but 274 00:13:04,309 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: everyone here who is, you know, pushed me for to 275 00:13:07,690 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: take it up and, and really believed in me. 276 00:13:10,830 --> 00:13:13,159 Speaker 1: It's like a huge step for you. It 277 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:14,340 Speaker 2: is, 278 00:13:14,719 --> 00:13:17,239 Speaker 1: it's showing people that you can do things not just 279 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:19,940 Speaker 1: in one dimension but more than that as well. So 280 00:13:19,950 --> 00:13:22,979 Speaker 1: my next question is, what did your parents say after 281 00:13:22,989 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: finding out that you were about to take such a role? 282 00:13:26,570 --> 00:13:27,299 Speaker 2: These are the 283 00:13:27,484 --> 00:13:32,315 Speaker 2: questions. So um I'm quite close to my mom. OK. 284 00:13:32,325 --> 00:13:34,955 Speaker 2: Um So I did ask her before like, hey mom, 285 00:13:34,965 --> 00:13:38,104 Speaker 2: like what if one day I came out as you know, 286 00:13:38,114 --> 00:13:41,284 Speaker 2: not straight like queer, my mom is quite, it's very Chinese, 287 00:13:41,294 --> 00:13:44,505 Speaker 2: it's typical Chinese mom. So she was a bit like, ok, 288 00:13:44,875 --> 00:13:47,145 Speaker 2: I I will have to accept it right? Because at 289 00:13:47,155 --> 00:13:48,824 Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're my son. So if 290 00:13:48,835 --> 00:13:50,354 Speaker 2: you really are queer, I still love you. 291 00:13:51,010 --> 00:13:53,369 Speaker 2: And when I told her about this role, surprisingly, she 292 00:13:53,380 --> 00:13:57,330 Speaker 2: was very supportive. Yeah. The only thing she asked me was, 293 00:13:57,340 --> 00:13:59,630 Speaker 2: can you cook with your school if you had, if 294 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,150 Speaker 2: you go to the Philippines film as a Chinese mom 295 00:14:02,159 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: as the 296 00:14:03,929 --> 00:14:07,650 Speaker 1: greats are important? Wow, that's very surprising that, you know, 297 00:14:07,659 --> 00:14:11,030 Speaker 1: she was so supportive of you that I think 298 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:12,309 Speaker 2: I get a sense that, you know, you were very 299 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,359 Speaker 2: open to this from the very beginning, you know, that 300 00:14:14,590 --> 00:14:17,570 Speaker 2: um it's a good career set for you. Uh It's 301 00:14:17,580 --> 00:14:20,190 Speaker 2: a great role opportunity. But I think for a lot 302 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,969 Speaker 2: of males out there till today, even when it's, you know, 303 00:14:22,979 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: in 2023 there might be some of them who feel 304 00:14:26,890 --> 00:14:28,179 Speaker 2: a little bit like 305 00:14:29,340 --> 00:14:33,599 Speaker 2: um that in my heart. There are future steps, you 306 00:14:33,609 --> 00:14:35,900 Speaker 2: know what I mean? Um There might be some of 307 00:14:35,909 --> 00:14:38,250 Speaker 2: them who feel like once I portray a certain role 308 00:14:38,260 --> 00:14:42,150 Speaker 2: like this um that I get type custard into this 309 00:14:42,179 --> 00:14:44,950 Speaker 2: or that now people see me as this person. Did 310 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,159 Speaker 2: you have any such reservations? I would be lying if 311 00:14:48,169 --> 00:14:51,299 Speaker 2: I said I was completely free from these thoughts. I mean, 312 00:14:51,309 --> 00:14:53,210 Speaker 2: it didn't occur to me like what if you know, 313 00:14:53,219 --> 00:14:56,950 Speaker 2: what if I only get custard for bl from now on? 314 00:14:57,479 --> 00:14:59,650 Speaker 2: But after I thought about it for a bit, I 315 00:14:59,659 --> 00:15:04,260 Speaker 2: realized that it doesn't really matter. Does it actually? Why not? Yeah. 316 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:04,630 Speaker 2: Why 317 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:05,580 Speaker 1: not such a strong, 318 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:09,429 Speaker 2: right? If I get as a beer actor, then so 319 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,190 Speaker 2: be it. II, I would just do it. 320 00:15:12,719 --> 00:15:15,059 Speaker 2: And I think in a way it's kind of a 321 00:15:15,070 --> 00:15:18,809 Speaker 2: positive thing because if people have the mindset that, you know, 322 00:15:18,820 --> 00:15:21,010 Speaker 2: I'm a, be a actor, I'm a beer actor and 323 00:15:21,729 --> 00:15:26,140 Speaker 2: I do well in a series that's outside of the genre, 324 00:15:26,419 --> 00:15:28,570 Speaker 2: people will see that actually this guy can do a 325 00:15:28,580 --> 00:15:29,690 Speaker 2: lot more than just be 326 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:35,010 Speaker 1: making a strong impact on both ends. Yeah. Why, why not? So, 327 00:15:35,020 --> 00:15:38,150 Speaker 1: I read online on an article that your studies really 328 00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:41,260 Speaker 1: will affect. How did she 329 00:15:41,270 --> 00:15:45,260 Speaker 2: take it? Sorry, mom. Very, very sorry, mom. I love 330 00:15:45,270 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: you very much. I haven't told her yet. I hope, 331 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,570 Speaker 2: I hope she hasn't seen on the news. But yeah, 332 00:15:52,580 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: it did take a toll because for sure, for sure, 333 00:15:56,010 --> 00:15:58,559 Speaker 2: for sure not. I was writing a thesis paper and 334 00:15:58,570 --> 00:16:01,150 Speaker 2: I took some time off it to film. But I 335 00:16:01,159 --> 00:16:03,369 Speaker 2: think overall I'm still doing fine. 336 00:16:03,739 --> 00:16:06,309 Speaker 2: I hope I don't fail. Your grade is not out yet. 337 00:16:06,349 --> 00:16:07,510 Speaker 2: My grades are not out yet. 338 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,250 Speaker 1: Oh, everybody say asylum. 339 00:16:10,539 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: It's too late now, isn't it? Yeah, you are 340 00:16:13,650 --> 00:16:17,260 Speaker 1: graduating actually. I'm sure she's seen how successful you are 341 00:16:17,270 --> 00:16:21,590 Speaker 1: right after this entire series was posted online and the 342 00:16:21,599 --> 00:16:23,989 Speaker 1: sort of like support that you've been receiving from people, 343 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,559 Speaker 1: not just in Singapore, but the Philippines as 344 00:16:25,570 --> 00:16:28,609 Speaker 2: well. When I first did the series, I did not 345 00:16:28,619 --> 00:16:29,169 Speaker 2: think that 346 00:16:29,739 --> 00:16:32,469 Speaker 2: I got so much support. You know, I said it, 347 00:16:32,479 --> 00:16:34,750 Speaker 2: I said it before but I can't stress how grateful 348 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,750 Speaker 2: I am for everyone who's been involved. 349 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,219 Speaker 1: No, but I think it was a big step on 350 00:16:39,229 --> 00:16:42,380 Speaker 1: your part to take a chance in this. That probably 351 00:16:42,390 --> 00:16:44,390 Speaker 1: a lot of people just knowing that it's a BL 352 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,849 Speaker 1: series would have turned down, 353 00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:49,419 Speaker 1: right? Maybe people that are you Gen Z? He is 354 00:16:50,729 --> 00:16:52,869 Speaker 2: OK. But you are, I 355 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: would think that maybe people even just five years older 356 00:16:57,409 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: than you would have turned it down just because maybe 357 00:17:00,530 --> 00:17:01,239 Speaker 1: they have their own business 358 00:17:01,335 --> 00:17:05,484 Speaker 1: be um about, you know, things surrounding um queer love 359 00:17:05,494 --> 00:17:08,185 Speaker 1: bl and all that. But what were your views right 360 00:17:08,194 --> 00:17:13,145 Speaker 1: before you filmed this show about LGBT, LGBT Q plus, 361 00:17:13,155 --> 00:17:16,244 Speaker 1: LGBT Qi A plus Yes. Yes. 362 00:17:17,010 --> 00:17:19,229 Speaker 2: What are my, what are my thoughts? Were you always 363 00:17:19,239 --> 00:17:22,849 Speaker 2: an ally? You know? Yeah. Actually, I, I don't think 364 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:27,369 Speaker 2: my thoughts before and after I filmed the series has changed, 365 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: I always thought that, you know, it's all about preference. Right? 366 00:17:30,530 --> 00:17:32,770 Speaker 2: I may like broccoli more. You may like cauliflower more. 367 00:17:32,780 --> 00:17:34,619 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, at the end 368 00:17:34,689 --> 00:17:38,649 Speaker 2: of the, yeah. So, I really think it personal to 369 00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:42,579 Speaker 2: personal preference and the type of people or whoever you like. 370 00:17:42,589 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 2: That's not the final. 371 00:17:43,421 --> 00:17:46,072 Speaker 2: It really doesn't define who you are. Love is love. 372 00:17:46,082 --> 00:17:46,811 Speaker 2: Love is love. 373 00:17:47,332 --> 00:17:52,081 Speaker 1: But have you received any hate comments for portraying such 374 00:17:52,092 --> 00:17:52,511 Speaker 1: a role? 375 00:17:52,521 --> 00:17:54,271 Speaker 2: Thankfully? Not yet. 376 00:17:54,281 --> 00:17:57,161 Speaker 1: Wow, because you have got a presence on Tik Tok 377 00:17:57,171 --> 00:18:00,862 Speaker 1: and tiktok. There are a lot of very nasty comments. 378 00:18:01,092 --> 00:18:03,722 Speaker 1: I pray you never received it. I just do 13 379 00:18:03,732 --> 00:18:06,482 Speaker 1: seconds dance and I get like multiple like bad comments. 380 00:18:06,491 --> 00:18:09,671 Speaker 2: I do get bad comments. Ok? I really do 381 00:18:09,833 --> 00:18:12,453 Speaker 2: not about this but not about this. So everyone has 382 00:18:12,463 --> 00:18:15,823 Speaker 2: been very supportive of this venture. Oh, that's wonderful. My 383 00:18:15,833 --> 00:18:18,943 Speaker 2: next question actually is sometimes within your group of friends, especially, 384 00:18:18,953 --> 00:18:22,723 Speaker 2: you know, Bromance, bros, you tease each other sometimes there's 385 00:18:22,734 --> 00:18:25,784 Speaker 2: this like male, like you gotta be strong, you gotta be, 386 00:18:25,792 --> 00:18:28,693 Speaker 2: you know, like very guy thing when you go to 387 00:18:28,713 --> 00:18:32,293 Speaker 2: the gym, the gym, gym, bro, when you took this 388 00:18:32,303 --> 00:18:34,663 Speaker 2: role up when it blew up. Um Were there any 389 00:18:34,673 --> 00:18:36,144 Speaker 2: comments for your guy friends. Maybe it was 390 00:18:36,244 --> 00:18:38,264 Speaker 2: just like, you know, teasing you. I'm sure they are 391 00:18:38,276 --> 00:18:40,855 Speaker 2: very proud of you. Did they say anything about it? 392 00:18:40,865 --> 00:18:44,336 Speaker 2: Most of the, the, you know, the teasing I've gotten 393 00:18:44,345 --> 00:18:48,645 Speaker 2: was like, you know, oh, you, you're doing so you're 394 00:18:48,656 --> 00:18:52,456 Speaker 2: going to kiss someone, right? Yeah. It's just that, it's just, 395 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:55,494 Speaker 2: it stops there. Like, it's very, it's very, like teasing. 396 00:18:55,505 --> 00:18:58,235 Speaker 2: My friends are generally very, very supportive of me. 397 00:18:58,244 --> 00:18:59,595 Speaker 1: So good friends. 398 00:19:01,176 --> 00:19:01,965 Speaker 2: I'm selective. 399 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:06,939 Speaker 2: Actually, my next question also is that, um, as your 400 00:19:06,949 --> 00:19:10,458 Speaker 2: understanding with your bros, um, with the Bromance and all 401 00:19:10,469 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: that walk us through some bro coats that you think 402 00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:19,540 Speaker 2: are unspoken of but are in place because we always 403 00:19:19,550 --> 00:19:21,660 Speaker 2: hear about it. Right. But I feel like everybody has 404 00:19:21,670 --> 00:19:23,419 Speaker 2: a different or like bro code, I think they are 405 00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:24,589 Speaker 2: like general. Is 406 00:19:24,599 --> 00:19:26,300 Speaker 1: it like you can vote for the code? 407 00:19:26,910 --> 00:19:29,989 Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Yes. That is there any more because I 408 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: feel like that a 409 00:19:30,569 --> 00:19:33,890 Speaker 1: lot. What else can like, bros, not do to each other? 410 00:19:33,910 --> 00:19:36,889 Speaker 2: I can tell what bros do for each other. Ok. 411 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:39,689 Speaker 2: I think at least within my friend group we try 412 00:19:39,699 --> 00:19:42,829 Speaker 2: to kind of cover up for one another to who 413 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:44,780 Speaker 2: to anyone. What do you mean? 414 00:19:44,790 --> 00:19:45,930 Speaker 1: Like each other's back, 415 00:19:45,939 --> 00:19:48,948 Speaker 2: we have each other's backs. So I'm kind of sound 416 00:19:48,959 --> 00:19:49,989 Speaker 2: like a horrible person, 417 00:19:50,339 --> 00:19:52,790 Speaker 2: but I believe that, that a good bro. Right. Ok. 418 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,790 Speaker 2: Let's see. Let's see. Your bro's girlfriend calls you and 419 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,609 Speaker 2: ask if he's with you. You would say yes, I would. Yes, 420 00:20:00,189 --> 00:20:00,650 Speaker 2: I got your back. 421 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,390 Speaker 1: Where were you, where were you not with your girl? 422 00:20:05,609 --> 00:20:08,540 Speaker 1: Ok. But wouldn't girls do that for each other too? 423 00:20:08,579 --> 00:20:11,609 Speaker 1: Like one time my friend told me if my mom 424 00:20:11,619 --> 00:20:14,458 Speaker 1: asked you where I am ever, like, she didn't give 425 00:20:14,469 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: me an end date. Like, I guess it's for the 426 00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:19,109 Speaker 1: rest of my life forever. Just say that you. So 427 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: I have, I have done that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's 428 00:20:21,290 --> 00:20:21,750 Speaker 1: with me and 429 00:20:23,199 --> 00:20:26,510 Speaker 1: OK, so covering up for each other in that sense, 430 00:20:26,579 --> 00:20:27,139 Speaker 1: I can't 431 00:20:27,150 --> 00:20:28,609 Speaker 2: think of any at the top of my head. Right? 432 00:20:28,619 --> 00:20:29,859 Speaker 2: Actually girl code and boy 433 00:20:29,869 --> 00:20:33,129 Speaker 1: code. Yeah. At the basis of it it's, you know, 434 00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:36,448 Speaker 1: being a good friend, right? Having someone's back. But I 435 00:20:36,459 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: have heard so much about BL is there GL there 436 00:20:40,050 --> 00:20:43,859 Speaker 1: actually is WW oh, woman love women, am I right? 437 00:20:43,869 --> 00:20:44,979 Speaker 1: Or GG? I am 438 00:20:44,989 --> 00:20:47,599 Speaker 2: not too sure but I know there is, it's not 439 00:20:47,650 --> 00:20:48,189 Speaker 2: as big 440 00:20:48,199 --> 00:20:48,829 Speaker 1: of a niche. 441 00:20:49,859 --> 00:20:52,810 Speaker 2: It's the biggest scene right now. I think so too 442 00:20:52,819 --> 00:20:54,689 Speaker 2: because the consumers are women and they want to see 443 00:20:54,699 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: you guys actually. That's true. A 444 00:20:57,180 --> 00:21:04,030 Speaker 1: lot of the target audience are heterosexual women. B CBC. Basically. OK. 445 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,310 Speaker 1: So why, why cute boy. Yeah. Yeah. Two cute boys 446 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,929 Speaker 1: plus one bad boy and one good boy. The more 447 00:21:12,939 --> 00:21:16,589 Speaker 1: the merrier, right? Sorry. No, no, no. 448 00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:22,550 Speaker 1: Moving on. So, yeah, I mean GL who knows that 449 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: could be like a new niche in the next like 5, 450 00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:27,349 Speaker 1: 10 years. I totally think so. Yeah. But do you 451 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,969 Speaker 1: see yourself portraying in similar roles moving 452 00:21:29,979 --> 00:21:32,728 Speaker 2: on? I, I would love to, if there are any 453 00:21:32,739 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: suitable roles, if the script is good, why not? I, 454 00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:38,670 Speaker 2: I really would love to like currently we are having 455 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:39,609 Speaker 2: some talks 456 00:21:40,204 --> 00:21:43,464 Speaker 2: in the Philippines again. Hopefully it goes through and hopefully 457 00:21:43,474 --> 00:21:46,823 Speaker 2: I can bring you guys more shows to watch. Yeah. OK. 458 00:21:46,834 --> 00:21:49,665 Speaker 1: Some notes from our producer, OK, a little disclaimer in 459 00:21:49,675 --> 00:21:53,254 Speaker 1: some countries, bl dramas can be crucial in raising the 460 00:21:53,265 --> 00:21:56,645 Speaker 1: visibility of love between same genders. But we acknowledge that 461 00:21:56,655 --> 00:21:59,125 Speaker 1: bl dramas can also be controversial 462 00:21:59,390 --> 00:22:03,629 Speaker 1: um due to some homophobic undertones, especially when like gay 463 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,649 Speaker 1: men are portrayed as predators, for example. But thankfully, we 464 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: can safely say that there's no such portrayal in the 465 00:22:10,530 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: series that you were in was in and we hope 466 00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:16,139 Speaker 1: that the media representation of the gay community 467 00:22:16,224 --> 00:22:19,895 Speaker 1: gets better in the future. Absolutely. OK. So moving on 468 00:22:19,905 --> 00:22:22,635 Speaker 1: whether it's romance or it's bl we can all agree 469 00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:25,555 Speaker 1: that being in any sort of relationship allows you to 470 00:22:25,564 --> 00:22:29,665 Speaker 1: express emotions and sometimes being vulnerable. So girls, when was 471 00:22:29,675 --> 00:22:32,625 Speaker 1: the last time you were vulnerable to someone last night? 472 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: You know, what's the thing? Right? I've told I've said 473 00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:38,060 Speaker 1: this before on the podcast, I find it very hard 474 00:22:38,069 --> 00:22:41,599 Speaker 1: to be vulnerable on social media um because there's a 475 00:22:41,609 --> 00:22:43,899 Speaker 1: lot of people out there. It's very scary and you 476 00:22:43,910 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: may look weak, you may look like, you know, you're 477 00:22:46,369 --> 00:22:49,770 Speaker 1: not strong. But I was just in my feelings basically 478 00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:51,670 Speaker 1: last night and I was talking to a friend 479 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,169 Speaker 1: and she said to me, uh Jermaine always remember you 480 00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:58,979 Speaker 1: are beautiful, you are loved and you are doing well 481 00:22:58,989 --> 00:23:01,750 Speaker 1: and I really needed to hear that right. It's just 482 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,910 Speaker 1: simple words. So I screenshot that and I put that 483 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: on my story and then I said just in case 484 00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:08,609 Speaker 1: you needed to hear it too, 485 00:23:08,849 --> 00:23:11,939 Speaker 1: the amount of responses I got of people saying I 486 00:23:11,949 --> 00:23:15,698 Speaker 1: really needed that. Just you know, from, from words that 487 00:23:15,709 --> 00:23:17,260 Speaker 1: I'm not even saying it to you, but just putting 488 00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:21,380 Speaker 1: it on your story and you internalizing it. I'm beautiful. 489 00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:24,410 Speaker 1: I'm loved. I'm doing well. So many people needed that. 490 00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:25,599 Speaker 1: So yeah, don't be afraid to share, 491 00:23:25,689 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: show vulnerability. Actually, I feel that Jermaine is a very 492 00:23:28,449 --> 00:23:32,770 Speaker 1: tough woman like she hardly shows her vulnerable side to 493 00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:35,629 Speaker 1: anyone at all. OK. Our tougher lady, when was the 494 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,198 Speaker 1: last time you were vulnerable? 495 00:23:37,689 --> 00:23:40,650 Speaker 2: An open book. Remember we agreed on that. So maybe 496 00:23:40,890 --> 00:23:42,380 Speaker 2: this morning last night, 497 00:23:42,959 --> 00:23:45,709 Speaker 1: five minutes ago, five minutes ago. No, I think the 498 00:23:45,719 --> 00:23:48,010 Speaker 1: three of us, we are very true to our emotions, 499 00:23:48,020 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: like whatever we feel, we show it by the way. 500 00:23:50,530 --> 00:23:52,810 Speaker 1: So I would say the last time I was vulnerable 501 00:23:52,819 --> 00:23:56,050 Speaker 1: probably like within this week as well. Yeah, I'll speak 502 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: to my family my friends about whatever I'm feeling 503 00:23:59,010 --> 00:24:00,829 Speaker 2: at all. I think for me it differs, 504 00:24:01,290 --> 00:24:03,890 Speaker 2: there are things that I'm willing to be vulnerable about, 505 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,250 Speaker 2: but some things I'd rather not share your closest friends. 506 00:24:08,260 --> 00:24:11,859 Speaker 2: Here comes the time frame thing. Right? Ah, yeah. So 507 00:24:11,869 --> 00:24:14,899 Speaker 2: I think the more reserved I am on a certain topic, 508 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:17,170 Speaker 2: the longer it takes for me to actually be like, hey, yo, 509 00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:18,530 Speaker 2: I need to talk to someone. 510 00:24:19,530 --> 00:24:23,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it depends on what the thing is in 511 00:24:23,089 --> 00:24:26,379 Speaker 2: the circumstances. But if we are talking about vulnerability in 512 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:30,349 Speaker 2: general two days ago over what I had a good 513 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,530 Speaker 2: talk with my friend in JB in Malaysia, we were 514 00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:37,989 Speaker 2: just ironing out like how we sometimes have miscommunications and 515 00:24:38,030 --> 00:24:40,650 Speaker 2: understanding how I feel. And he also told me how 516 00:24:40,660 --> 00:24:44,060 Speaker 2: he feel. So I think we've matured, 517 00:24:44,219 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: our friendship has matured from that, 518 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,989 Speaker 1: you know, girls have cat fight. The boys have like, 519 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: I don't know, dog fight. Like what is the, have 520 00:24:55,170 --> 00:24:56,489 Speaker 1: you ever fought with a bro? 521 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,910 Speaker 2: We argue but I don't think it gets, I haven't 522 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,420 Speaker 2: gotten physical. I hope I don't have to get physical 523 00:25:04,339 --> 00:25:07,069 Speaker 1: but if you need it, no, no violence is never 524 00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:08,708 Speaker 1: the answer. Come on. 525 00:25:09,329 --> 00:25:12,579 Speaker 1: No violence. But I'd say it's ok to be vulnerable 526 00:25:12,589 --> 00:25:15,900 Speaker 1: because there's actually many perks of being vulnerable. I mean, 527 00:25:15,910 --> 00:25:18,579 Speaker 1: as irony as it sounds, it actually helps to promote 528 00:25:18,589 --> 00:25:22,410 Speaker 1: your mental well-being. It also helps to build empathy with, 529 00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:24,810 Speaker 1: you know, the people around you because if, if you 530 00:25:24,819 --> 00:25:27,699 Speaker 1: always look strong and you know, like that nothing can 531 00:25:27,709 --> 00:25:30,270 Speaker 1: affect you, then no one's gonna feel any sort of 532 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,079 Speaker 1: emotion for you. 533 00:25:31,532 --> 00:25:32,391 Speaker 2: Like a robot. Yeah, 534 00:25:32,402 --> 00:25:36,071 Speaker 1: like a robot, a pristine robot. And I think on 535 00:25:36,083 --> 00:25:38,583 Speaker 1: the rare times that you are vulnerable to someone, it 536 00:25:38,593 --> 00:25:42,583 Speaker 1: actually helps you foster a stronger connection between you and 537 00:25:42,593 --> 00:25:45,391 Speaker 1: the other party. So to all of you listening to 538 00:25:45,402 --> 00:25:47,973 Speaker 1: a harsh podcast, people out there don't be afraid to 539 00:25:47,983 --> 00:25:52,223 Speaker 1: be vulnerable. Just let yourself be true to your truest emotions. 540 00:25:52,233 --> 00:25:53,561 Speaker 1: I think that's very, very helpful. 541 00:25:53,734 --> 00:25:55,595 Speaker 2: True. You feel a lot lighter, you feel like you 542 00:25:55,605 --> 00:25:58,186 Speaker 2: get it off your chest. And actually, right, very recently 543 00:25:58,196 --> 00:26:00,546 Speaker 2: I had this thought to myself of which I think 544 00:26:00,645 --> 00:26:02,994 Speaker 2: for so long in society, we've always been conditioned that 545 00:26:03,005 --> 00:26:04,936 Speaker 2: when someone asks you, how are you, how have you 546 00:26:04,946 --> 00:26:08,316 Speaker 2: been doing? The immediate response is good. I'm ok. Yeah. 547 00:26:08,715 --> 00:26:12,105 Speaker 2: But recently when people ask me that if I'm not ok, 548 00:26:12,115 --> 00:26:15,196 Speaker 2: I go actually, I'm not ok. Or actually I've been 549 00:26:15,205 --> 00:26:15,844 Speaker 2: struggling 550 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:20,930 Speaker 2: and I think if only everyone would respond a little 551 00:26:20,939 --> 00:26:24,170 Speaker 2: truer to what they were actually feeling instead of the generic. 552 00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 2: Why and how did it come to how you had 553 00:26:27,449 --> 00:26:30,609 Speaker 2: to be responded with? I'm good. I think sometimes it's 554 00:26:30,619 --> 00:26:34,010 Speaker 2: a bit tough though, isn't it to tell somebody? Like 555 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:36,109 Speaker 2: if someone ask you how's your day and you tell 556 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,449 Speaker 2: them actually could be better. 557 00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:41,939 Speaker 2: I, I feel sometimes like I am posing on them like, 558 00:26:41,949 --> 00:26:44,489 Speaker 2: like why, why are you making my, why should I 559 00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:46,629 Speaker 2: make your day a little bit worse? Like 560 00:26:46,770 --> 00:26:49,540 Speaker 1: you making the other party feel a bit more negative 561 00:26:49,550 --> 00:26:52,900 Speaker 1: or like making him or her feel obliged to ask you. Oh, 562 00:26:52,910 --> 00:26:53,770 Speaker 1: what's wrong? 563 00:26:53,780 --> 00:26:56,859 Speaker 2: Maybe I do get that feeling sometimes. So 564 00:26:57,089 --> 00:26:59,510 Speaker 1: it depends how close you are to the party and 565 00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: in what context, 566 00:27:00,229 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: like for example, if I run into hazy in the 567 00:27:03,410 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: lift here and we have 30 seconds and she asked me, 568 00:27:06,369 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: how are you doing today? I'm not gonna start crying 569 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,209 Speaker 1: because she will be like, oh my God, what do 570 00:27:11,250 --> 00:27:13,790 Speaker 1: I do? But if we're at lunch or where, you know, 571 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,069 Speaker 1: we have a good time to, to chat then yeah, 572 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:20,500 Speaker 1: I will, I will share a bit more extensively, right? 573 00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:20,859 Speaker 1: I think the 574 00:27:23,670 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: so last but not least any final words to your 575 00:27:26,170 --> 00:27:27,500 Speaker 1: bros out there. Who 576 00:27:30,550 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 2: I always got your back, bro? Always, always, you mean 577 00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:40,599 Speaker 2: said it's forever, right? You forever until death even past 578 00:27:42,250 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: where is best with me next? 579 00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:48,849 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really thankful for all of you guys, you 580 00:27:48,859 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: know who you are. Yeah. So 581 00:27:52,099 --> 00:27:53,659 Speaker 2: I got you back no matter what, I hope you 582 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:54,659 Speaker 2: got my back. Oh, 583 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,229 Speaker 1: that's so nice to hear if you know you love Ray. No, 584 00:27:58,239 --> 00:28:01,469 Speaker 1: you love to see more of what he's been doing. 585 00:28:01,479 --> 00:28:04,948 Speaker 1: Please follow him on Instagram and on tiktok as well 586 00:28:04,989 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: at Rayt. Yr did I get 587 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: it right? You're right. Is tiktok, my Instagram is Ray 588 00:28:10,859 --> 00:28:11,930 Speaker 2: dot Tyr 589 00:28:12,219 --> 00:28:14,069 Speaker 1: dot Tytyr stand for. 590 00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: I was gonna say thank you so much for taking 591 00:28:22,810 --> 00:28:25,069 Speaker 1: time off the bus schedule to join us today. We really, 592 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:26,379 Speaker 1: really enjoyed your company. 593 00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:28,989 Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. It's my pleasure. Actually, thank you for 594 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,550 Speaker 2: having me here. Thank you. Thank you. I shall go 595 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,599 Speaker 2: watch the day I left you after this. Yeah, 596 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: we we'll 597 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:36,010 Speaker 2: cry. Oh, 598 00:28:37,069 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: never mind. You need a good cry. Excuse me? 599 00:28:41,329 --> 00:28:45,119 Speaker 1: She's very scary. Ok? 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