1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,190 Speaker 1: Hi Hazel zero and I'm Jermaine 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,940 Speaker 2: and welcome back to another episode of calamities. 3 00:00:08,050 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: This is home truly. But today we're gonna talk about 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,870 Speaker 1: emigrating out of Singapore Singapore Home truly. Yes, exactly as 5 00:00:17,870 --> 00:00:20,290 Speaker 1: you can tell, we're all decked up in our reds 6 00:00:20,290 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: and whites because it's the day after National Day, happy, 7 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:27,910 Speaker 1: happy birthday Singapore. But you know, we have to really 8 00:00:27,910 --> 00:00:31,140 Speaker 1: talk about living in Singapore. The cost of living has 9 00:00:31,140 --> 00:00:35,820 Speaker 1: gone up astronomically. A B T O in itself is 10 00:00:35,820 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: so expensive. I think recently a ground floor flat in 11 00:00:39,710 --> 00:00:42,470 Speaker 1: one was sold for a million dollars and a flat 12 00:00:42,470 --> 00:00:43,330 Speaker 1: and Dawson was so 13 00:00:43,345 --> 00:00:47,365 Speaker 1: Sold for $1.4 million. My goodness. And this makes a 14 00:00:47,365 --> 00:00:49,825 Speaker 1: lot of people like, especially our age, right? We question 15 00:00:49,835 --> 00:00:52,645 Speaker 1: can we even afford living in Singapore in the next 16 00:00:52,645 --> 00:00:55,145 Speaker 1: few years? And it's really crazy because a lot of 17 00:00:55,145 --> 00:00:57,565 Speaker 1: young Singaporeans, they're thinking about not just cost of living, 18 00:00:57,575 --> 00:01:00,375 Speaker 1: but career opportunities as well. I mean after all, Singapore 19 00:01:00,385 --> 00:01:01,735 Speaker 1: is a small island, 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: There are limited opportunities, right? And I want to ask 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,580 Speaker 1: you girls, have you guys ever considered moving out of 22 00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:11,230 Speaker 2: Singapore? I feel like your answers are going to be Yes, 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: I feel like for me is leaning towards a no, 24 00:01:14,330 --> 00:01:18,230 Speaker 2: unless I find career opportunities overseas, 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:19,910 Speaker 1: but would you come back to Singapore? 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,300 Speaker 2: I would because this is where all my friends and 27 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:25,230 Speaker 2: family are and it's just a place that I hope 28 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: so dear to my heart, I think it's going to 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,230 Speaker 2: be hard for me to just leave, you know, 30 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:33,709 Speaker 2: but like you mentioned just now, there's limited opportunities in Singapore, 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,270 Speaker 2: especially in our industry, the entertainment industry, of course, you know, 32 00:01:37,270 --> 00:01:42,650 Speaker 2: there's more opportunities elsewhere saying like china Taiwan Korea. So 33 00:01:42,660 --> 00:01:46,209 Speaker 2: if I can find like an opportunity overseas, I don't 34 00:01:46,209 --> 00:01:48,590 Speaker 2: see why not for me to just grow and come 35 00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:50,300 Speaker 2: back and bring more value to my home, 36 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:53,030 Speaker 1: but coming back is the thing, so there's two different terms, 37 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: there's emigrate and migrate. Emigrate means you move away 38 00:01:57,295 --> 00:02:00,725 Speaker 1: permanently with that, you know, thought to stay away from 39 00:02:00,725 --> 00:02:05,185 Speaker 1: Singapore forever from your home country, migrating is a temporary situation, 40 00:02:05,195 --> 00:02:06,895 Speaker 1: so you move away, you go from place to place, 41 00:02:06,895 --> 00:02:09,584 Speaker 1: but you eventually want to come back, that's your goal, 42 00:02:09,595 --> 00:02:11,015 Speaker 1: it's like animals, migrating for 43 00:02:11,014 --> 00:02:11,994 Speaker 2: winter, 44 00:02:12,005 --> 00:02:16,245 Speaker 1: you calling us animals, what about you? Zura, have you 45 00:02:16,255 --> 00:02:20,195 Speaker 1: considered emigrating or migrating? Actually, I think you know this 46 00:02:20,195 --> 00:02:22,565 Speaker 1: as well, but it's been something that I've been thinking about, 47 00:02:22,565 --> 00:02:23,995 Speaker 1: especially recently, 48 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:26,730 Speaker 1: um I feel like I need to do it while 49 00:02:26,730 --> 00:02:29,410 Speaker 1: I can, you know, while I'm still young, while I 50 00:02:29,410 --> 00:02:33,110 Speaker 1: still don't have much responsibilities, not much holding me back here, 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,389 Speaker 1: kids correct 52 00:02:36,500 --> 00:02:39,109 Speaker 1: and I feel like I want to do it, you know, 53 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:41,530 Speaker 1: maybe for a couple of years, that's what I'm thinking 54 00:02:41,530 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: right now, I don't think it's a forever thing, I 55 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,100 Speaker 1: think like when you talk about like immigrating, it's very scary, right? 56 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:50,590 Speaker 1: It's like leaving your home forever, but for now, I 57 00:02:50,590 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: think maybe in the next few years I want to 58 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,910 Speaker 1: see how I can make it happen for maybe just 59 00:02:54,910 --> 00:02:55,270 Speaker 1: a couple of 60 00:02:55,270 --> 00:02:56,540 Speaker 2: years just for 61 00:02:56,540 --> 00:02:57,980 Speaker 1: me to get out of my system. 62 00:02:58,180 --> 00:03:01,420 Speaker 1: Um in my head it looks like just to like, 63 00:03:01,419 --> 00:03:03,390 Speaker 1: you know, play for a couple of years and then 64 00:03:03,389 --> 00:03:06,530 Speaker 1: come back. You know what's surprising? Like one in five 65 00:03:06,530 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: young Singaporeans aged 19 to 30, which we fall into, 66 00:03:09,669 --> 00:03:13,270 Speaker 1: they actually said they want to immigrate like permanently out 67 00:03:13,270 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: of Singapore. And this was according to research published by 68 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,329 Speaker 1: the Institute of Policy Studies, they conducted the same research 69 00:03:19,330 --> 00:03:22,250 Speaker 1: back in 2010 compared to 2015. Right? Actually more people 70 00:03:22,250 --> 00:03:25,510 Speaker 1: want to stay in Singapore. Yeah. Which is surprising. But 71 00:03:25,510 --> 00:03:27,310 Speaker 1: these are pre covid numbers 72 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,899 Speaker 2: I think after covid more people want to say this 73 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:32,310 Speaker 2: is what I feel because looking at the entire 74 00:03:32,325 --> 00:03:35,955 Speaker 2: higher global situation. I felt that Singapore handed the covid 75 00:03:35,955 --> 00:03:38,585 Speaker 2: situation very, very well true. I mean we can't deny 76 00:03:38,585 --> 00:03:43,885 Speaker 2: that masks covid test rT kids even what the 77 00:03:43,895 --> 00:03:45,195 Speaker 1: Japs 78 00:03:46,325 --> 00:03:49,535 Speaker 2: vaccination. Yes. The immune jabs, you know the immunity Japs 79 00:03:49,545 --> 00:03:52,145 Speaker 2: I felt like our government and our system handled it 80 00:03:52,145 --> 00:03:53,095 Speaker 2: super well. 81 00:03:53,105 --> 00:03:54,970 Speaker 1: When you look at the political 82 00:03:54,980 --> 00:03:57,910 Speaker 1: situation in the world right now, I mean it's very, 83 00:03:57,910 --> 00:04:00,059 Speaker 1: very volatile and I feel like in Singapore you get 84 00:04:00,060 --> 00:04:03,100 Speaker 1: that sense of safety and security, you might not get elsewhere. 85 00:04:03,110 --> 00:04:06,620 Speaker 1: Do you feel like now, right after covid more Singaporeans 86 00:04:06,630 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: our age would want to stay in Singapore. But you 87 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,430 Speaker 1: zero okay. First of I think that people are revenge 88 00:04:11,430 --> 00:04:17,620 Speaker 1: traveling right now. She's herself like she herself. Yes that's me. 89 00:04:17,635 --> 00:04:22,094 Speaker 1: But I think that maybe with people traveling right and 90 00:04:22,095 --> 00:04:24,305 Speaker 1: you know the borders opening once they get out of 91 00:04:24,305 --> 00:04:26,825 Speaker 1: the country they might find that sense of you know 92 00:04:26,835 --> 00:04:29,265 Speaker 1: oh this is what it was like and they may 93 00:04:29,265 --> 00:04:31,925 Speaker 1: realize like oh the world so much bigger because for 94 00:04:31,925 --> 00:04:34,335 Speaker 1: two years we were sort of stuck in this bubble 95 00:04:34,345 --> 00:04:36,515 Speaker 1: and we sort of forgot about everything else. But I 96 00:04:36,515 --> 00:04:39,135 Speaker 1: think now that it's opening up maybe when they conduct 97 00:04:39,135 --> 00:04:40,285 Speaker 1: the survey again 98 00:04:40,450 --> 00:04:44,729 Speaker 1: more people might think that they've seen more stuff and 99 00:04:44,730 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: they've forgotten about that and they may want to experience 100 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,270 Speaker 1: more of that. That's true. I 101 00:04:48,270 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: can't deny that. But this singer was telling me he 102 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,540 Speaker 2: or she cannot name who went overseas to like you 103 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: know do music and upon coming back um he or 104 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,580 Speaker 2: she felt that you know the Singapore system is really 105 00:04:59,589 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: a lot more 106 00:05:00,089 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: efficient 107 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:03,100 Speaker 2: Josepha. 108 00:05:04,029 --> 00:05:06,490 Speaker 1: No, but it's true like all the processes, you know, 109 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:09,099 Speaker 1: it's really a lot easier. Especially like when you apply 110 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:11,130 Speaker 1: for stuff here. I mean not the passport thing like 111 00:05:11,130 --> 00:05:14,029 Speaker 1: that can really help you right now but everything else. 112 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: Yes and I cannot deny the statistics that you mentioned 113 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,940 Speaker 2: just now. Right? The ground floor hdb selling for over 114 00:05:18,940 --> 00:05:22,409 Speaker 2: a million dollars. So here are some statistics, some sale 115 00:05:22,410 --> 00:05:24,630 Speaker 2: transactions condo based. Okay 116 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:25,780 Speaker 1: so this 117 00:05:25,779 --> 00:05:27,510 Speaker 2: is this just happened in july 118 00:05:27,525 --> 00:05:32,575 Speaker 2: Um this condo at Bell Morrow Road 947 sq ft 119 00:05:32,585 --> 00:05:35,805 Speaker 2: sold for 3.2 million. Where am I going to get 120 00:05:35,805 --> 00:05:38,035 Speaker 2: that money? And it's 947 square. That's 121 00:05:38,035 --> 00:05:39,815 Speaker 1: not that big. It's not that big. How big is 122 00:05:39,815 --> 00:05:41,275 Speaker 1: your room right now? 123 00:05:41,285 --> 00:05:43,385 Speaker 2: 250 sq ft house. 124 00:05:43,385 --> 00:05:44,424 Speaker 1: They're yellow. Three 125 00:05:44,425 --> 00:05:45,245 Speaker 2: million. Three 126 00:05:45,245 --> 00:05:46,815 Speaker 1: million. No, my 127 00:05:46,815 --> 00:05:47,755 Speaker 2: rent. How much money 128 00:05:47,765 --> 00:05:51,015 Speaker 1: and Ceo is how much now like 90 over 129 00:05:52,740 --> 00:05:54,349 Speaker 1: I'm going to ride a bicycle. 130 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:57,089 Speaker 1: No, but it's really crazy the cost of living. So 131 00:05:57,089 --> 00:05:59,750 Speaker 1: for some people it's not even like, oh I really 132 00:05:59,750 --> 00:06:01,710 Speaker 1: want to move away from Singapore for some people it's just, 133 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,900 Speaker 1: I can't afford to live in Singapore. Um one of 134 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: my friends, you guys know Germaine, she she moved out 135 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,250 Speaker 1: of the country that was when Obama was still president. Right? 136 00:06:11,250 --> 00:06:13,740 Speaker 1: So she she emigrated there you know she had a 137 00:06:13,740 --> 00:06:16,340 Speaker 1: great time. You know she's living her life and very 138 00:06:16,339 --> 00:06:19,050 Speaker 1: happy when trump came into office. There was a lot 139 00:06:19,050 --> 00:06:19,170 Speaker 1: of 140 00:06:19,725 --> 00:06:22,955 Speaker 1: and it was very uncertain whether she would be deported 141 00:06:22,955 --> 00:06:25,435 Speaker 1: or not and she was seriously considering in those couple 142 00:06:25,435 --> 00:06:27,545 Speaker 1: of years that he was in office. She was thinking 143 00:06:27,555 --> 00:06:30,065 Speaker 1: actually I should go back to Singapore. I don't think 144 00:06:30,065 --> 00:06:32,465 Speaker 1: that this place is safe for me anymore. And she 145 00:06:32,464 --> 00:06:35,015 Speaker 1: really felt like she was in danger for those couple 146 00:06:35,015 --> 00:06:35,305 Speaker 1: of years 147 00:06:35,305 --> 00:06:37,035 Speaker 2: but as of now she's still there because 148 00:06:37,035 --> 00:06:39,984 Speaker 1: now biden's office and I think it's stabilizing a little 149 00:06:39,985 --> 00:06:44,365 Speaker 1: bit more, but still, you know, it's still kind of 150 00:06:44,365 --> 00:06:44,765 Speaker 1: like not 151 00:06:44,765 --> 00:06:45,344 Speaker 2: home, 152 00:06:45,510 --> 00:06:48,450 Speaker 2: right? But bring this back into the local situation. I 153 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: also have a lot of friends complaining that even the 154 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,790 Speaker 2: coffee shop food prices are going up now. So you know, 155 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,020 Speaker 2: it's really that cost of living versus um leaving your 156 00:06:57,020 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: comfort zone, settling down somewhere else. And who's to say 157 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,650 Speaker 2: that the cost of living overseas is any cheaper than 158 00:07:03,650 --> 00:07:04,350 Speaker 2: it is in Singapore, 159 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:07,550 Speaker 1: correct? I think objectively we need to identify as well 160 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:07,830 Speaker 1: that 161 00:07:07,845 --> 00:07:10,435 Speaker 1: you know, the grass is always greener on the other side. 162 00:07:10,435 --> 00:07:12,145 Speaker 1: You know, you know, you're here, you wanna be there, 163 00:07:12,145 --> 00:07:13,905 Speaker 1: you're there, you want to be here. It's always going 164 00:07:13,905 --> 00:07:15,885 Speaker 1: to be like that, right? I mean like we've lived 165 00:07:15,885 --> 00:07:17,535 Speaker 1: away for a couple of years as well a couple 166 00:07:17,535 --> 00:07:21,495 Speaker 1: of months and I think um you always okay for me, right? 167 00:07:21,495 --> 00:07:23,755 Speaker 1: When I was living away for the first time ever 168 00:07:23,755 --> 00:07:27,645 Speaker 1: in my life, I watched the most Singaporean tv. Really? 169 00:07:27,655 --> 00:07:28,795 Speaker 1: Oh my God, I was on, you watch all the 170 00:07:28,795 --> 00:07:30,165 Speaker 1: time 171 00:07:31,250 --> 00:07:34,670 Speaker 1: because you miss home because it made me feel like 172 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: I was catching up with what was happening here and 173 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,060 Speaker 1: I could like watch my friends or whatever it was, 174 00:07:40,060 --> 00:07:40,430 Speaker 1: you know 175 00:07:40,450 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: on radio, I've received this kind of text too many 176 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: times Singaporeans in Melbourne, Australia Korea Taiwan just texting and say, 177 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: you know it feels so good just turning on me 178 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,090 Speaker 2: listen 179 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: and listening to you guys talk because I feel like 180 00:07:52,810 --> 00:07:55,270 Speaker 2: I'm home. So this goes to show that you know 181 00:07:55,270 --> 00:07:57,530 Speaker 2: when they are abroad they still miss home. 182 00:07:57,540 --> 00:07:59,810 Speaker 1: Yeah they want to connect with something at home but 183 00:07:59,820 --> 00:08:02,490 Speaker 1: just out of curiosity, right? Let's say if you were 184 00:08:02,500 --> 00:08:05,530 Speaker 1: to emigrate or migrate somewhere, where would it be? 185 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:07,340 Speaker 2: I feel like you girls know my answer 186 00:08:07,350 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: china. Right? But where in china? You know 187 00:08:11,290 --> 00:08:13,870 Speaker 2: I feel like anywhere is fine. It's just a different 188 00:08:13,870 --> 00:08:15,470 Speaker 2: kind of culture. 189 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,310 Speaker 1: I mean 190 00:08:16,810 --> 00:08:19,380 Speaker 2: different kind of culture and I still love my asian food. Right? 191 00:08:19,390 --> 00:08:22,390 Speaker 2: I love the chinese language. So I think china would 192 00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:23,730 Speaker 2: be the perfect place for me. 193 00:08:23,740 --> 00:08:26,179 Speaker 1: You look like you know you would thrive there actually. 194 00:08:26,190 --> 00:08:28,020 Speaker 1: You never know. Yeah 195 00:08:28,430 --> 00:08:29,850 Speaker 1: A huge star 196 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:32,300 Speaker 2: there. Oh my gosh you guys are too kind. Let 197 00:08:32,300 --> 00:08:35,450 Speaker 2: me guess you would want to both of you would 198 00:08:35,450 --> 00:08:37,329 Speaker 2: want to immigrate to the U. S. A. 199 00:08:37,340 --> 00:08:41,650 Speaker 1: For me. Yes. Usa usa. Which 200 00:08:41,650 --> 00:08:41,940 Speaker 2: part of 201 00:08:41,940 --> 00:08:44,380 Speaker 1: usa? Um I would probably move to L. A 202 00:08:44,390 --> 00:08:47,130 Speaker 2: night when we were in L. A. For a trip 203 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:50,050 Speaker 2: that I could really tell that Jeremy loved it so much. 204 00:08:50,050 --> 00:08:51,950 Speaker 2: She's so happy every day and I really like 205 00:08:52,335 --> 00:08:56,715 Speaker 1: honestly right that trip changed my life. It really did 206 00:08:56,715 --> 00:08:59,245 Speaker 1: because I was never a U. S. Goal. But for 207 00:08:59,245 --> 00:09:02,185 Speaker 1: some reason and I want to say that I've been 208 00:09:02,184 --> 00:09:04,545 Speaker 1: to like a couple of places before then all that right? 209 00:09:04,554 --> 00:09:07,455 Speaker 1: But I've never lost my heart to a city the 210 00:09:07,455 --> 00:09:10,915 Speaker 1: way I did tell if you know it was the company, 211 00:09:10,915 --> 00:09:14,005 Speaker 1: whatever it was the company. I think so I think so. 212 00:09:14,015 --> 00:09:15,485 Speaker 1: Thank you. 213 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:17,420 Speaker 1: And I feel like I need to make a couple 214 00:09:17,420 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: more trips with different people with myself, whatever it is 215 00:09:20,330 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: just to fill it out and see like you know 216 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: maybe I might hate it. Maybe it was a one 217 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: time thing. Maybe it was because it was our first 218 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,510 Speaker 1: trip out of the country after Covid. I can't tell 219 00:09:29,510 --> 00:09:31,510 Speaker 1: what it is, but I've never lost my heart that 220 00:09:31,510 --> 00:09:33,850 Speaker 1: way before. I know yesterday I was just on the 221 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:35,620 Speaker 1: radio show right? And I told my radio show partner 222 00:09:35,620 --> 00:09:37,390 Speaker 1: every I was like you know what, I really want 223 00:09:37,390 --> 00:09:39,660 Speaker 1: to emigrate, I really want to migrate. I want to 224 00:09:39,660 --> 00:09:41,730 Speaker 1: live in L. A. And he got shocked. He was 225 00:09:41,730 --> 00:09:43,060 Speaker 1: like don't leave me 226 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,070 Speaker 1: but I think it's an experience. And a lot of singaporeans, 227 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:49,140 Speaker 1: they want to live you know out of the country. 228 00:09:49,140 --> 00:09:51,650 Speaker 1: Like let's say if you guys would want to move, 229 00:09:51,650 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: what would that main reason be for 230 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,250 Speaker 2: me is definitely the career opportunity. Like I'm not going 231 00:09:56,250 --> 00:09:58,290 Speaker 2: to make this move until I'm sure there's something in 232 00:09:58,290 --> 00:10:00,580 Speaker 2: there for me because I want to go there and 233 00:10:00,590 --> 00:10:03,450 Speaker 2: you know eat grass every day. Like I have to 234 00:10:03,460 --> 00:10:06,140 Speaker 2: count my finances from month to month just to make 235 00:10:06,140 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: sure I have enough to keep me going. I feel 236 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,150 Speaker 2: like that is so tough. 237 00:10:10,163 --> 00:10:12,242 Speaker 1: Maybe the china grass taste better. I don't know. 238 00:10:12,253 --> 00:10:14,853 Speaker 2: Maybe not just greener but it's better 239 00:10:14,863 --> 00:10:18,223 Speaker 1: for me. If I were to think about migrating away 240 00:10:18,223 --> 00:10:21,443 Speaker 1: right it would really be to meet more people because 241 00:10:21,453 --> 00:10:23,663 Speaker 1: I guess in Singapore, yes we do have you know 242 00:10:23,673 --> 00:10:25,603 Speaker 1: a lot of different people from different walks of life. 243 00:10:25,613 --> 00:10:27,043 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day I think the 244 00:10:27,043 --> 00:10:29,703 Speaker 1: culture is set and there's no changing that that's you 245 00:10:29,703 --> 00:10:31,543 Speaker 1: know how it is. But when you move away you 246 00:10:31,543 --> 00:10:35,333 Speaker 1: meet your worldview is just open and I think that's 247 00:10:35,333 --> 00:10:36,790 Speaker 1: something that's really exciting about life. 248 00:10:36,806 --> 00:10:40,286 Speaker 1: But I would miss Singapore a lot if I were 249 00:10:40,285 --> 00:10:42,465 Speaker 1: to move away. Oh something that I've been saying is 250 00:10:42,466 --> 00:10:44,456 Speaker 1: that you know the day I decide that I'm ready 251 00:10:44,456 --> 00:10:47,026 Speaker 1: to move I think I'm ready for a quiet life. 252 00:10:47,035 --> 00:10:49,276 Speaker 1: You want to live in the countryside? No no no no. 253 00:10:49,285 --> 00:10:51,576 Speaker 1: You tell me like a quiet life and me can't 254 00:10:51,576 --> 00:10:55,886 Speaker 1: exist together. Oh yeah, sure you are the literal definition 255 00:10:55,886 --> 00:10:59,056 Speaker 1: of a noisy life. No, I want a quiet life. 256 00:10:59,056 --> 00:11:00,256 Speaker 1: You know, so 257 00:11:00,256 --> 00:11:03,446 Speaker 2: maybe a closer smaller group of friends. 258 00:11:03,929 --> 00:11:07,410 Speaker 1: Okay. I think that if I were to move to L. A. 259 00:11:07,410 --> 00:11:08,900 Speaker 1: And why I want to do that for a couple 260 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: of years is because I feel like I want to play. 261 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,750 Speaker 1: Why you laughing? I want to play in a place 262 00:11:16,750 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: where no one knows me somewhere where I can just 263 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:26,850 Speaker 1: explore and sort of like express yourself fully and not 264 00:11:26,850 --> 00:11:30,330 Speaker 1: think about climbing the ladder. I could grow like laterally, 265 00:11:30,330 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: that's fine, okay. 266 00:11:31,665 --> 00:11:34,844 Speaker 1: But um I think that's important for me. So I 267 00:11:34,845 --> 00:11:37,085 Speaker 1: think these are some of like the, you know, good 268 00:11:37,085 --> 00:11:39,215 Speaker 1: things that we hope to happen if we ever move 269 00:11:39,215 --> 00:11:42,145 Speaker 1: out of Singapore right? But migrating out of Singapore is 270 00:11:42,145 --> 00:11:44,195 Speaker 1: not easy. You have to think about like I'm going 271 00:11:44,195 --> 00:11:46,325 Speaker 1: to get a job, you know, do you need a visa? 272 00:11:46,335 --> 00:11:48,105 Speaker 1: How are you going to stay there? You're gonna get 273 00:11:48,105 --> 00:11:50,530 Speaker 1: deported back because that's not your home country, right? 274 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: Um what are some of the fears that you would 275 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,510 Speaker 1: feel about leaving your home country? 276 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,650 Speaker 2: My goodness. You know the whole asian hate thing that 277 00:11:57,650 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: you mentioned just now really scares me. So in the 278 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,580 Speaker 2: news article that just a few months back I saw 279 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:05,530 Speaker 2: this man who was shot to death just because he 280 00:12:05,530 --> 00:12:10,210 Speaker 2: didn't give enough dark sauce to this caucasian right? And 281 00:12:10,220 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: this is really, really scary. 282 00:12:11,850 --> 00:12:13,500 Speaker 1: My God, do you remember what happened to 283 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,060 Speaker 2: us? Oh 284 00:12:15,270 --> 00:12:16,490 Speaker 1: yes my 285 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:17,780 Speaker 2: goodness. We got to share this. 286 00:12:18,170 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: So we were walking, 287 00:12:20,114 --> 00:12:22,794 Speaker 1: she was, I can't remember where, I don't know but 288 00:12:22,794 --> 00:12:24,534 Speaker 1: hazel and I were together just the two of us. 289 00:12:24,534 --> 00:12:26,564 Speaker 1: It was broad daylight like noon. 290 00:12:26,574 --> 00:12:28,364 Speaker 2: Yes, like 11 12 and 291 00:12:28,374 --> 00:12:31,024 Speaker 1: we were meeting for lunch, we were meeting for lunch. 292 00:12:31,024 --> 00:12:33,404 Speaker 1: So we were walking there and then this guy from 293 00:12:33,404 --> 00:12:36,354 Speaker 1: the back starts screaming at us and he was following 294 00:12:36,364 --> 00:12:39,664 Speaker 1: us for a good like 100 200 m all the way. 295 00:12:39,664 --> 00:12:42,154 Speaker 1: He was just screaming and we were like oh my god, 296 00:12:42,164 --> 00:12:42,544 Speaker 1: oh my God. 297 00:12:42,554 --> 00:12:45,034 Speaker 2: Exactly. It was so scary. And to avoid this guy 298 00:12:45,034 --> 00:12:46,444 Speaker 2: we actually went into a 299 00:12:46,453 --> 00:12:47,164 Speaker 1: supermarket 300 00:12:47,174 --> 00:12:49,500 Speaker 2: supermarket, we just made one row, 301 00:12:49,518 --> 00:12:51,768 Speaker 2: we came out and there he was outside waiting 302 00:12:51,878 --> 00:12:53,178 Speaker 1: for us. What did he shout 303 00:12:53,178 --> 00:12:54,988 Speaker 2: at you? I couldn't hear 304 00:12:55,477 --> 00:12:58,128 Speaker 1: the lines of your thing. We stupid or something that 305 00:12:58,128 --> 00:13:01,508 Speaker 1: you know I can't really make out racial hate kind 306 00:13:01,508 --> 00:13:03,247 Speaker 1: of vibe. Yeah 307 00:13:03,258 --> 00:13:07,298 Speaker 2: exactly. But after we reached the restaurant we took the 308 00:13:07,308 --> 00:13:10,438 Speaker 2: indoor see the restaurant stuff was very nicely crossed and 309 00:13:10,438 --> 00:13:11,757 Speaker 1: then he didn't cross with 310 00:13:11,758 --> 00:13:14,237 Speaker 2: us, he didn't cross the road. So upon seeing that 311 00:13:14,238 --> 00:13:16,628 Speaker 2: we have settled in the restaurant, he just left. Gosh 312 00:13:16,628 --> 00:13:18,910 Speaker 2: I hope that that never happened to any age 313 00:13:18,922 --> 00:13:19,952 Speaker 2: overseas. 314 00:13:19,962 --> 00:13:23,172 Speaker 1: But that's very scary. You actually feel like your your 315 00:13:23,182 --> 00:13:25,232 Speaker 1: life is in danger when things like that happened to 316 00:13:25,232 --> 00:13:27,442 Speaker 1: you and I mean we know Sharon out right? 317 00:13:27,452 --> 00:13:28,412 Speaker 2: Yes of course she 318 00:13:28,412 --> 00:13:31,032 Speaker 1: moved to paris, she decided to go there and work 319 00:13:31,032 --> 00:13:32,352 Speaker 1: and all that. She's been living there for about two 320 00:13:32,352 --> 00:13:33,891 Speaker 1: or three years and I think it came out in 321 00:13:33,892 --> 00:13:36,462 Speaker 1: the headlines a couple of months ago that her whole 322 00:13:36,472 --> 00:13:39,332 Speaker 1: apartment was robbed, she said that everything she's ever owned 323 00:13:39,332 --> 00:13:41,381 Speaker 1: in her life was gone. Except her cat, her cat 324 00:13:41,381 --> 00:13:44,392 Speaker 1: was still there, but she was so distraught. She, she 325 00:13:44,392 --> 00:13:46,362 Speaker 1: lost everything. Can you imagine that 326 00:13:46,372 --> 00:13:48,310 Speaker 2: my gosh, I really feel for her and it took 327 00:13:48,326 --> 00:13:52,026 Speaker 2: quite a couple of days to even announce this on 328 00:13:52,026 --> 00:13:54,346 Speaker 2: instagram because she just had to get over the trauma 329 00:13:54,346 --> 00:13:55,976 Speaker 2: that was eating her up. 330 00:13:55,986 --> 00:13:57,666 Speaker 1: Of course that could happen in Singapore. I mean, you 331 00:13:57,666 --> 00:14:00,176 Speaker 1: could get robbed in Singapore also, it's just the likelihood 332 00:14:00,186 --> 00:14:02,606 Speaker 1: is lesser. No, it's true. And you know, having just 333 00:14:02,606 --> 00:14:05,236 Speaker 1: come back as well from being away for three weeks, 334 00:14:05,246 --> 00:14:07,996 Speaker 1: um I found myself having to think about things like 335 00:14:07,996 --> 00:14:11,196 Speaker 1: my bag, like holding onto it, like making sure that 336 00:14:11,196 --> 00:14:13,646 Speaker 1: my zip is facing the front and on the back. Yeah. 337 00:14:13,655 --> 00:14:15,356 Speaker 1: And these are things that we don't even think about 338 00:14:15,356 --> 00:14:17,726 Speaker 1: in Singapore. Actually, when my friend and I were in 339 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:22,370 Speaker 1: Barcelona, we were sitting somewhere and then, you know, singaporeans, Singaporeans, right? 340 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:24,060 Speaker 1: So my back was on my lap, her back, she 341 00:14:24,060 --> 00:14:26,590 Speaker 1: put it on another chair next to her, our phones 342 00:14:26,590 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: on the table. And this guy, because it was like 343 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,380 Speaker 1: a touristy sort of place, but it was like a 344 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: cafe that we're at. So this guy comes up to us, 345 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: he wasn't like security or anything, he was just like 346 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,150 Speaker 1: in a suit, he comes up to us and he 347 00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: was like, hold your bag and keep your phone. 348 00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:44,190 Speaker 1: People are watching. Oh my gosh! And we were like, 349 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,900 Speaker 1: he was just genuinely a nice guy trying to morning. 350 00:14:47,010 --> 00:14:50,860 Speaker 1: So lucky. Yeah, it could have been gone in. Exactly. 351 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:54,100 Speaker 2: Exactly without you even knowing it. So the other time 352 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:57,530 Speaker 2: I think some live streamers from Singapore, including Pornsak Shane, Powell. 353 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:59,910 Speaker 2: They were overseas as well. And then this news made 354 00:14:59,910 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: headlines as well. Um, the car, somebody broke, the glass, 355 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:08,060 Speaker 2: reached in, took away all their passports, their wallets and everything. 356 00:15:08,070 --> 00:15:11,450 Speaker 2: So it was mentioned that why they left their valuables 357 00:15:11,450 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: in the car because they were just going to go 358 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,390 Speaker 2: out for lunch to just grab lunch quickly and come back. 359 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,330 Speaker 2: So they thought they just leave everything in the car. 360 00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:20,030 Speaker 2: So no less baggage, but by the time they came 361 00:15:20,030 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: back it was too late. Even their passports were gone 362 00:15:22,810 --> 00:15:24,630 Speaker 1: in Singapore. The problem is different. You leave your car 363 00:15:24,630 --> 00:15:26,660 Speaker 1: for a while, you buy food, come back. Fine. 364 00:15:27,190 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: I'd rather that rather that for sure. So, you know, 365 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: thinking about moving away. There's so many considerations, right? But 366 00:15:34,210 --> 00:15:37,830 Speaker 1: according to some research, this may be surprising moving away 367 00:15:37,830 --> 00:15:41,730 Speaker 1: out of Singapore may help you foster a stronger national identity. 368 00:15:41,730 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: Like for example, when you watch me watch and then 369 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,860 Speaker 1: you feel very strongly about that. Like when you know, 370 00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: my friend Jermaine moves away and when it comes to 371 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:49,870 Speaker 1: national day or china 372 00:15:49,885 --> 00:15:52,415 Speaker 1: this year she would dress up, she will celebrate. But 373 00:15:52,415 --> 00:15:54,585 Speaker 1: in Singapore. She won't do such things in Singapore should 374 00:15:54,585 --> 00:15:57,505 Speaker 1: be like, I don't want to go out. So it 375 00:15:57,505 --> 00:16:00,385 Speaker 1: kind of is like a reverse psychology thing because you 376 00:16:00,385 --> 00:16:02,835 Speaker 1: miss everyone back home a bit. It's like hazel moving 377 00:16:02,835 --> 00:16:04,995 Speaker 1: out and then she feels closer to her family. Yes. 378 00:16:05,005 --> 00:16:08,685 Speaker 2: Yes, it is the same. It's the same. So remember 379 00:16:08,685 --> 00:16:10,915 Speaker 2: when I was in Hong kong, I miss Singapore so 380 00:16:10,915 --> 00:16:12,045 Speaker 2: much that I went into bread 381 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,890 Speaker 1: de in Hong kong, I can't 382 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:17,380 Speaker 2: remember it clearly. The taste wasn't quite the same. And 383 00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:20,330 Speaker 2: I remember the disappointment, I felt like, oh not the 384 00:16:20,330 --> 00:16:21,980 Speaker 2: taste of Singapore that I was imagining 385 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:23,730 Speaker 1: the thing I would miss most if I moved out 386 00:16:23,730 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: of Singaporean food. Not, I mean I miss but I'll 387 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,950 Speaker 1: miss the food because singaporean food or I guess southeast 388 00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:34,430 Speaker 1: asian food is so hard to be replicated anywhere else. 389 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,450 Speaker 1: And I've tried like living in the U. S. I've 390 00:16:36,450 --> 00:16:38,910 Speaker 1: tried like your highness chicken rice, your Perata, 391 00:16:39,873 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: it's all like, it's not something you can bring as 392 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,220 Speaker 1: many prima packets as you can see. It's still not 393 00:16:47,220 --> 00:16:49,790 Speaker 1: the same. And you know like in the UK or 394 00:16:49,790 --> 00:16:51,860 Speaker 1: whatever it is. I think they change countries like every, 395 00:16:51,860 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: every two years, they have this thing called Singapore day, right? 396 00:16:54,450 --> 00:16:57,430 Speaker 1: Oh my God, Singapore is the most fun thing the 397 00:16:57,430 --> 00:17:00,420 Speaker 1: world because suddenly it's like in Singapore, like I hate people, 398 00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:03,290 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my God, but suddenly, right, you feel 399 00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:05,109 Speaker 1: so happy that like thousands. 400 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:07,459 Speaker 1: Singaporeans are all there and you know like when they 401 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:09,820 Speaker 1: have in the UK last time right, people would fly 402 00:17:09,820 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: in from literally every part of europe Singaporeans from every 403 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: part europe will fly in for Singapore day and then 404 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,630 Speaker 1: our dearest along will come in. I mean if there's 405 00:17:17,630 --> 00:17:21,140 Speaker 1: a chance to see below our flying also, true, 406 00:17:21,150 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: Does this happen on nine August Singapore Day? 407 00:17:23,690 --> 00:17:28,270 Speaker 1: No, I think july or something like another month and 408 00:17:28,270 --> 00:17:33,659 Speaker 1: then they fly in your favorite hawkers as well. Your curry, 409 00:17:33,660 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: your 410 00:17:34,770 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: you're that's why would fly in correct damn long. 411 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: No problem. Singaporeans are born to queue 412 00:17:44,990 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: for 413 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:46,780 Speaker 2: a bite of my 414 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,050 Speaker 1: chicken and I 415 00:17:48,050 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: will cry in our black 416 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,210 Speaker 1: really makes you like you want to cry. Everybody just gathers. 417 00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:55,430 Speaker 1: It feels so nice and you know, even our Prime 418 00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:59,590 Speaker 1: Minister mr he flies in, he walks around, he's very friendly, 419 00:17:59,590 --> 00:18:01,810 Speaker 1: you know, you can come and talk to him. It's 420 00:18:01,810 --> 00:18:02,690 Speaker 1: just very nice. 421 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:04,490 Speaker 1: I think it's so nice that they do that for 422 00:18:04,490 --> 00:18:07,219 Speaker 1: the Singaporeans living overseas. But here's the thing if we 423 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:10,370 Speaker 1: take it back to when Singapore was first like instituted, 424 00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:12,780 Speaker 1: you know, we were a fishing village and that means 425 00:18:12,780 --> 00:18:14,389 Speaker 1: that we were apart and that means a lot of 426 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: people come in and go and there's so many people 427 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: that have moved here and left and that's what Singapore 428 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,340 Speaker 1: is all about. We welcome people from everywhere, I think 429 00:18:23,340 --> 00:18:25,850 Speaker 1: there is this Filipino lady, her name is Janet, She 430 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: actually shared how she gave up her dreams of being 431 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,550 Speaker 1: a journalist to pursue a life as a domestic 432 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,500 Speaker 1: in Singapore. Yeah, she wanted to be a journalist right? 433 00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:36,540 Speaker 1: But to support her family, she had to come here 434 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:40,010 Speaker 1: and work and send money home. She did suffer a lot, 435 00:18:40,010 --> 00:18:42,860 Speaker 1: you know, it's not easy being in that kind of situation. 436 00:18:42,859 --> 00:18:45,570 Speaker 1: But thankfully she found a good employer who treats her 437 00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: with respect and allowed her to even work on her 438 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,050 Speaker 1: own goals and her own dreams. And because of that 439 00:18:51,050 --> 00:18:53,540 Speaker 1: she was able to take courses to help in her 440 00:18:53,540 --> 00:18:56,660 Speaker 1: growth and eventually moved back to the Philippines and bought 441 00:18:56,670 --> 00:18:58,929 Speaker 1: a condo in the Philippines. 442 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: It's incredible. 443 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: I think people talk about the american dream and all 444 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: that and then people end up there and they realize 445 00:19:07,090 --> 00:19:09,750 Speaker 1: it's not really a dream, maybe it's the Singapore dream, 446 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,310 Speaker 1: the Singapore dream, I like 447 00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: the sound of that. Why do you 448 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,990 Speaker 1: think like people like Janet would want to move to Singapore? 449 00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:18,790 Speaker 2: I feel like the primary reason is of course the 450 00:19:18,790 --> 00:19:22,139 Speaker 2: salary they could have been earning a lot here than 451 00:19:22,140 --> 00:19:24,820 Speaker 2: they would have if they stayed in their home country. 452 00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:25,990 Speaker 2: That's a huge factor for 453 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: sure Actually recently I had the house painted and then 454 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,990 Speaker 1: the guy who was painting my house, he actually, I 455 00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:35,590 Speaker 1: was talking to him and he told me that he 456 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: has a degree in Bangladesh. Oh yeah, so he went 457 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,540 Speaker 1: to university has a degree but he decided that 458 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,620 Speaker 1: you know working as a painter in Singapore actually pays 459 00:19:43,619 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: him more and he says that he likes it here 460 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,250 Speaker 1: so much. Um you know, it just feels like he 461 00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: says that he's doing more for his family 462 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 2: here. Can you just mentioned back when I was in 463 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,930 Speaker 2: secondary school I was a Mcdonald's a worker right on Sundays, 464 00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:03,300 Speaker 2: a lot of this construction site workers would come to 465 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:06,790 Speaker 2: Mcdonald's and they would buy like a hot fudge sundae 466 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,910 Speaker 2: each and then they would just hang out and eat 467 00:20:08,910 --> 00:20:12,179 Speaker 2: it together. Very cute. You know, like it's sort of 468 00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:14,820 Speaker 2: like they have found their own community in their own 469 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:16,270 Speaker 2: home outside of home. 470 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,129 Speaker 1: Oh definitely. 471 00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: And I can't be happier to see that 472 00:20:18,609 --> 00:20:21,449 Speaker 1: that's the Singaporean spirit we welcome, no matter what, of 473 00:20:21,450 --> 00:20:23,830 Speaker 1: course they're xenophobic here and there. Let's not talk about that. 474 00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:27,330 Speaker 1: But eventually this is a home for anyone that wants 475 00:20:27,330 --> 00:20:30,330 Speaker 1: to come here. We've got some Singaporeans here that you know, 476 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:32,030 Speaker 1: our producers went online 477 00:20:32,050 --> 00:20:35,410 Speaker 1: to search about who actually moved away from Singapore and 478 00:20:35,410 --> 00:20:37,950 Speaker 1: here's what they had to say. Okay, one of them said, 479 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: I have no regrets and he even urged other Singaporeans 480 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,290 Speaker 1: to try living abroad if you can afford it. Um 481 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:46,650 Speaker 1: see new places and you can return if you want 482 00:20:46,660 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: after seeing the world after you know seeing more things, 483 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: he realized that a lot of things we complain about 484 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,290 Speaker 1: here actually very trivial. 485 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,610 Speaker 2: This reminds me of one of my friends who I 486 00:20:55,609 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: met in L. A. The trip that 487 00:20:57,290 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: we had together, I bumped into him like he told 488 00:20:59,930 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: he saw my instagram story 489 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:02,540 Speaker 1: and it was like hazel, I'm 490 00:21:02,540 --> 00:21:04,930 Speaker 2: Just 10 minutes away from you. I'm like, are you serious? 491 00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:07,550 Speaker 2: So after I met him, I found out that he 492 00:21:07,550 --> 00:21:11,110 Speaker 2: left his job, his government job to basically go travel 493 00:21:11,109 --> 00:21:13,460 Speaker 2: the world for one year at the point of time 494 00:21:13,460 --> 00:21:15,649 Speaker 2: when I met him, he's been to 39 different places 495 00:21:15,650 --> 00:21:19,859 Speaker 2: in the us. So now he's still abroad. He's still 496 00:21:19,869 --> 00:21:21,899 Speaker 2: living his dream. I don't know where he gets all 497 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:22,540 Speaker 2: that money, 498 00:21:22,670 --> 00:21:25,860 Speaker 2: but he basically screamed and safe so he can make 499 00:21:25,859 --> 00:21:28,590 Speaker 2: this work for him. So ultimately he wants to come 500 00:21:28,590 --> 00:21:30,899 Speaker 2: back because he still needs to work, you know, but 501 00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:32,770 Speaker 2: at least, you know, he managed to live it 502 00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:35,409 Speaker 1: correct? And I feel like we have that luxury to 503 00:21:35,410 --> 00:21:38,510 Speaker 1: know that we can go away, we can go explore, 504 00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: see the world, but we have a place to call 505 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: home that we can come back to that it's very 506 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,810 Speaker 1: safe and very secure and just knowing that I think 507 00:21:45,810 --> 00:21:48,260 Speaker 1: that's not an option that everybody has. You know, some 508 00:21:48,260 --> 00:21:49,030 Speaker 1: people have to 509 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,810 Speaker 1: because you're running away from something that, you know, they're 510 00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:54,070 Speaker 1: completely unsafe in their countries. I mean let's not go 511 00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:55,859 Speaker 1: into what's going on in the world right now, but 512 00:21:55,859 --> 00:21:58,620 Speaker 1: you know, people have those problems but we know that 513 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: we can go away for a while and there's this 514 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 1: very nice, warm home waiting for us, 515 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,930 Speaker 2: right? My favorite part about coming back to Singapore is 516 00:22:04,930 --> 00:22:07,030 Speaker 2: when I scanned my passport in the automated lane. 517 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,940 Speaker 1: Oh my God, hold on. I think it's a three 518 00:22:09,940 --> 00:22:12,379 Speaker 1: step for you. I think your favorite part about coming home, 519 00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:14,420 Speaker 1: first of all is the bread and butter on the 520 00:22:14,670 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: plane 521 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,169 Speaker 1: secondly is when they say welcome home, that's why. And 522 00:22:20,170 --> 00:22:23,699 Speaker 1: then your automated passport. But doesn't that lane make you 523 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:24,870 Speaker 1: feel like so powerful? 524 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,060 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's the words welcome home and they put 525 00:22:28,060 --> 00:22:30,540 Speaker 2: my name on it and I walked through that lane, 526 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:33,370 Speaker 2: I feel like queen, you know, then go and take 527 00:22:33,369 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: a cab home. 528 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,190 Speaker 1: It's such a nice feeling to come. Like definitely um 529 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: this other user actually shared that he moved away after 530 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: graduating from university, he did a graduate program in Canada 531 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,810 Speaker 1: and he worked in Dubai. So it's been about 3.5 532 00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:50,369 Speaker 1: years since he's moved away. But he's thinking of coming 533 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,609 Speaker 1: back to Singapore to stay for a while, he doesn't 534 00:22:52,609 --> 00:22:55,470 Speaker 1: know exactly how long he will be here, but he 535 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,340 Speaker 1: does feel like after staying away for so long, Singapore 536 00:22:58,340 --> 00:23:01,820 Speaker 1: feels less like home and he doesn't really belong anywhere. 537 00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:02,210 Speaker 1: Oh 538 00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:04,179 Speaker 1: yeah, after you've lived in, I think a lot of 539 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: different places, you kind of lose that sense of where 540 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,390 Speaker 1: do I belong, I guess you feel like a citizen 541 00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:12,619 Speaker 1: of the world you know where you're not this enough 542 00:23:12,619 --> 00:23:15,450 Speaker 1: there and you're not that enough here. But I still 543 00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:17,209 Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for people that migrate or 544 00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: emigrate because it's not easy at all trying to settle 545 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,910 Speaker 1: that and also being alone in a different country if 546 00:23:22,910 --> 00:23:25,169 Speaker 1: you go there alone like like your friend who travels 547 00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:27,409 Speaker 1: around alone like that's not easy, you know not having 548 00:23:27,410 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: your family to fall back on your friends to fall 549 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,010 Speaker 1: back on like 550 00:23:30,150 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: you're essentially by yourself. 551 00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: But that's right. So that's where he made a lot 552 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,780 Speaker 2: of new friends, a whole new circle of friends wherever 553 00:23:37,780 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: he goes because he's an extrovert, right? So he enjoys 554 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 2: talking people and making new friends. But you know this 555 00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:46,630 Speaker 2: other user also shared his or her experience of living 556 00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:49,430 Speaker 2: in the U. S. So they were there for about 557 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:50,730 Speaker 2: 3.5 years. But 558 00:23:50,740 --> 00:23:53,869 Speaker 2: she still felt like living there was extremely fast paced 559 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: so that's another point of consideration right? The pace of 560 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,090 Speaker 2: living I think in Singapore, the pace of living is 561 00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:02,910 Speaker 2: really super fast. But can you imagine if you were 562 00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:05,540 Speaker 2: to migrate or emigrate to places like Hong kong or 563 00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: Japan Japan us, she felt like that was too much 564 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: for her and she got very homesick. 565 00:24:11,890 --> 00:24:15,730 Speaker 1: I think it really depends on like your individual capacity 566 00:24:15,740 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: to handle all of these things as well because some 567 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: people at that stage in their left with, they want 568 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: to go there and they just want to be in 569 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,140 Speaker 1: a foreign country or just chilling for whatever it is, 570 00:24:23,150 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: but some people just want to, 571 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,420 Speaker 1: they're homebodies. Yeah. I think depends on what you want. 572 00:24:28,420 --> 00:24:30,270 Speaker 1: Like hazel said, you know, if she moves, it's going 573 00:24:30,270 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: to be, you know, to progress in a career, if 574 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: I move, it's because I want to do nothing. You 575 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,250 Speaker 1: want to play play. But what do you girls appreciate 576 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: most about living in Singapore? 577 00:24:42,130 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: The many policies, I would say the B. T. O. 578 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,570 Speaker 2: Policies for new couples. I mean like granted B. T. O. 579 00:24:49,570 --> 00:24:51,709 Speaker 2: S no may take a longer time, 6 to 7 years, 580 00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:53,790 Speaker 2: but it still offers us 581 00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:56,869 Speaker 2: um a chance to buy our own property at a 582 00:24:56,869 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 2: lower rate. And there's so many grants, you know, if 583 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,090 Speaker 2: you stay near your parents and whatnot you get even 584 00:25:01,090 --> 00:25:04,230 Speaker 2: more discounts in a sense. So I think this is 585 00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:05,220 Speaker 2: really helpful for 586 00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: me. I think it would be the health care and 587 00:25:07,050 --> 00:25:10,990 Speaker 1: education system if I think about emigrating right? If I? 588 00:25:10,990 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: Re 589 00:25:11,130 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: really think about moving permanently to the US and relocating there, 590 00:25:14,170 --> 00:25:16,700 Speaker 1: if I ever have kids, like look at what's happening 591 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: in the schools there, I would never raise kids that 592 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,810 Speaker 1: Singapore is honestly one of the best places in this 593 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:21,950 Speaker 1: world to raise kids 594 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,300 Speaker 2: and the education system is is great. 595 00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:25,570 Speaker 1: I mean it's not bad. Like I don't know what's 596 00:25:25,580 --> 00:25:28,230 Speaker 1: eight times eight, but you know, 60 64 597 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,090 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like every time we travel everywhere 598 00:25:34,090 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: we go right, they ask you where you're from and 599 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,900 Speaker 1: you go to Singapore and they go, oh beautiful country 600 00:25:39,910 --> 00:25:42,389 Speaker 1: and that's the last thing they always say and I 601 00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:44,830 Speaker 1: think it makes you feel very proud, you know, for 602 00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:49,109 Speaker 1: me it's really about being close to the people I 603 00:25:49,109 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: love and just, it feels very warm, it feels like 604 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,350 Speaker 1: home 605 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,790 Speaker 1: and the safety of it. You know, I don't have 606 00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:58,300 Speaker 1: to think about anything, I honestly don't have to think 607 00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: about it. You know, I can be out at like 608 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, it's not a concern, 609 00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:05,970 Speaker 1: you know, suddenly when you're overseas you realize that there's 610 00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:08,150 Speaker 1: so many things that you took for granted that you know, 611 00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: you have to think about like, oh can I go 612 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,050 Speaker 1: to these like shady area at this time, People think 613 00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:15,380 Speaker 1: about that kind of things and we never have to write, 614 00:26:15,390 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: I have a, 615 00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:18,050 Speaker 1: I had a french boss last time she grew up 616 00:26:18,050 --> 00:26:20,970 Speaker 1: in this place called Toulouse in France and when she 617 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: was younger, like she would hear stories about us girls 618 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,229 Speaker 1: like in Singapore or we go clubbing, we go out 619 00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:26,859 Speaker 1: at night. All girls like, you know, it doesn't matter, 620 00:26:26,859 --> 00:26:29,300 Speaker 1: we don't care for her when she was younger, they 621 00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: cannot go out in a group of girls alone, it's 622 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,020 Speaker 1: just simply unheard of something's going to happen to you. 623 00:26:35,030 --> 00:26:37,150 Speaker 1: So look at us, we get a chance to go 624 00:26:37,150 --> 00:26:38,490 Speaker 1: out so we should go out. 625 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,149 Speaker 1: Okay. Final thoughts is the grass really greener on the 626 00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:46,020 Speaker 1: other side. The grass is greener where you water it, 627 00:26:47,109 --> 00:26:51,850 Speaker 1: wow. What's a wisdom? I really like that. I'm 628 00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: so proud of you. 629 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: That's maturity. I don't think 630 00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:59,900 Speaker 2: I feel like you know going abroad is fun and 631 00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: all that. But like what I mentioned just now, maybe 632 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,910 Speaker 2: just take a couple of years to go and experience 633 00:27:03,910 --> 00:27:06,270 Speaker 2: it for yourself. See if you really like it. Like 634 00:27:06,270 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 2: a lot of my friends, they've heard so much about 635 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,540 Speaker 2: new york, they've heard so much about say like Times Square. 636 00:27:10,550 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: But a good friend of mine, she actually went there 637 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: and she came back telling me, oh my gosh, there 638 00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:16,930 Speaker 2: is always a stench. 639 00:27:16,940 --> 00:27:19,429 Speaker 1: It smells like pee in the summertime, right? Because the 640 00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:20,490 Speaker 2: heat heats 641 00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: up the P. Right? 642 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:23,860 Speaker 1: Very smelly. Yeah. 643 00:27:23,869 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: So it's like a lot of things isn't what we 644 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: think it is until we actually experience it ourselves. So 645 00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:33,380 Speaker 2: go experience for yourself and then decide where you want 646 00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:33,820 Speaker 2: to be. 647 00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:36,090 Speaker 1: All I can say if you decide to really move 648 00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:39,500 Speaker 1: away from Singapore, learn how to cook. Oh yes, learn 649 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,660 Speaker 1: how to cook. Singaporean food. Okay. I think that's something 650 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:44,250 Speaker 1: that you really need correct to end this off. I'd 651 00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:46,340 Speaker 1: like to share a story. I don't know if I've 652 00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: shared this before. Okay, but this was my time over. 653 00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:53,190 Speaker 1: He's right where I was walking from campus to campus. 654 00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:57,430 Speaker 1: B and then out of nowhere it starts pouring like 655 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,570 Speaker 1: it was already maybe like eight degrees or something and 656 00:27:59,570 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: it starts pouring went from 0 to 100. No drizzle. 657 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,650 Speaker 1: No nothing start pouring. And I started crying the rain. 658 00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: That makes it was like a music video. I was 659 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,700 Speaker 1: walking I still had another 15 minutes ago and I 660 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:12,419 Speaker 1: was crying in the rain because I knew that if 661 00:28:12,420 --> 00:28:14,669 Speaker 1: I was in Singapore I could call anybody and they 662 00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: would come and pick me up but I had no 663 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,170 Speaker 1: one to call her. Oh no! 664 00:28:18,670 --> 00:28:23,739 Speaker 1: So that's my conclusion. So sad. So if you move overseas, 665 00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:26,470 Speaker 1: bring an umbrella and learn how to cook. 666 00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: Okay 667 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,250 Speaker 2: this is a very fun and interesting episode to explore. 668 00:28:32,250 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: We hope you have learned something or if you have 669 00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:37,899 Speaker 2: other thoughts to share, please feel free to instagram. 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