1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:02,009 Speaker 1: Hi, this is, and I'm Jermaine 2 00:00:02,019 --> 00:00:04,070 Speaker 2: and welcome back to another episode of Gravity. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,250 Speaker 1: Today. We have a very, very special guest with us. She, 4 00:00:10,260 --> 00:00:11,779 Speaker 1: as you can see if you're not watching us on 5 00:00:11,789 --> 00:00:14,909 Speaker 1: youtube go and run right now. She's dressed in her 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:21,590 Speaker 1: full army uniform. Please welcome, Captain. No, I feel like 7 00:00:21,659 --> 00:00:27,059 Speaker 1: we need to have a, are we doing it right. 8 00:00:28,069 --> 00:00:31,700 Speaker 1: Yeah. So captain, tell us more about yourself. Obviously you 9 00:00:31,709 --> 00:00:33,269 Speaker 1: are in the army. What do you do? 10 00:00:33,279 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: Ok. So I, I joined the army as an infantry 11 00:00:35,490 --> 00:00:39,529 Speaker 2: officer and I was trained in infantry tactics, basically, you know, 12 00:00:39,540 --> 00:00:44,759 Speaker 2: training in the jungle, rolling in the mud digging shell. Yeah. And, 13 00:00:44,854 --> 00:00:46,875 Speaker 2: er, I found out more about the army and then 14 00:00:46,884 --> 00:00:49,543 Speaker 2: I realized that actually signals is a bit better fit 15 00:00:49,555 --> 00:00:51,974 Speaker 2: for me. So, which is why now I'm in a 16 00:00:51,985 --> 00:00:53,845 Speaker 2: signal formation as a signal officer. What 17 00:00:53,854 --> 00:00:55,715 Speaker 1: does a signal officer do? The 18 00:00:55,724 --> 00:01:00,005 Speaker 2: signal formation itself is like the of the army? Oh, ok. 19 00:01:00,104 --> 00:01:01,505 Speaker 2: I understand that a lot better now 20 00:01:02,369 --> 00:01:05,050 Speaker 2: because in war times you, you can't expect to use 21 00:01:05,059 --> 00:01:07,848 Speaker 2: your normal telcos that you use in daily life. Yeah. 22 00:01:07,860 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: So when we fight our wars. Basically, we need to 23 00:01:10,809 --> 00:01:14,739 Speaker 2: have a military communications and that's basically the job of 24 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: a signal officer to set up the network that's very 25 00:01:17,330 --> 00:01:20,239 Speaker 1: important because you can't strategize if you don't have. 26 00:01:20,970 --> 00:01:23,940 Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. Right. Yeah. So, so we are actually called, um, 27 00:01:24,129 --> 00:01:26,470 Speaker 2: another common term that we use is like C four, 28 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:27,419 Speaker 2: c four. Basically send 29 00:01:27,486 --> 00:01:31,805 Speaker 2: for command control, communications and computers. Wow. Yeah. So this 30 00:01:31,816 --> 00:01:36,276 Speaker 2: basically summarizes the things that we do have the 31 00:01:36,426 --> 00:01:40,295 Speaker 1: army. It's more than that. It's the, it's the communication 32 00:01:40,305 --> 00:01:43,776 Speaker 1: core of the army. So you said you enlisted before 33 00:01:43,786 --> 00:01:46,136 Speaker 1: you even went to UNI, how old were you when 34 00:01:46,146 --> 00:01:47,475 Speaker 1: you first enlisted? Same as 35 00:01:47,486 --> 00:01:51,545 Speaker 2: the guy, like, like 18, 1919, right after JC and 36 00:01:51,566 --> 00:01:52,106 Speaker 2: you had to go through, 37 00:01:52,722 --> 00:01:53,662 Speaker 2: well, yes. So, 38 00:01:54,321 --> 00:01:56,541 Speaker 1: basically national service. Yeah, kind 39 00:01:56,552 --> 00:01:59,952 Speaker 2: of, I, did you enjoy that? Definitely. I think it 40 00:01:59,961 --> 00:02:02,202 Speaker 2: was really fun. Um, I, ok, so I think to 41 00:02:02,211 --> 00:02:05,421 Speaker 2: be honest, like I joined the army after a levels 42 00:02:05,431 --> 00:02:08,352 Speaker 2: because I was like, quite bored of studying. I didn't 43 00:02:08,382 --> 00:02:11,121 Speaker 2: want to study mood. Yeah, I want to go to 44 00:02:11,141 --> 00:02:13,242 Speaker 2: Uni straight. So, like, I just, I just thought maybe, 45 00:02:13,251 --> 00:02:15,712 Speaker 2: you know, sign on, take a kind of like a 46 00:02:15,722 --> 00:02:17,692 Speaker 2: year break from studying 47 00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:20,710 Speaker 2: and do something different and see whether I like it 48 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:21,089 Speaker 2: or not. 49 00:02:21,100 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: But people usually take a gap year and, like, go 50 00:02:23,008 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 1: to Europe or go to, you know, somewhere and she 51 00:02:26,410 --> 00:02:30,130 Speaker 1: went to, she went to were you always, you know, 52 00:02:30,139 --> 00:02:31,829 Speaker 1: like a sporty girl, like you went to like O 53 00:02:31,839 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: BS and, you know, netball volleyball kind of thing. 54 00:02:35,038 --> 00:02:37,928 Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, I think I did like a mix of 55 00:02:37,940 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 2: things when I was in school. So, um, but mainly 56 00:02:41,850 --> 00:02:45,940 Speaker 2: I did gymnastics and dance. Yeah. What kind of dance? 57 00:02:46,038 --> 00:02:47,490 Speaker 2: Like modern dance? Yeah, 58 00:02:48,309 --> 00:02:49,860 Speaker 1: I can see that in the braids on her head. Very, 59 00:02:50,020 --> 00:02:52,020 Speaker 1: very contemporary dancer vibe. 60 00:02:52,419 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So, so, um, and I was in for 61 00:02:55,210 --> 00:02:57,190 Speaker 2: a while. Just a variety of things like water polo 62 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:02,369 Speaker 2: as well. So, which is your favorite, so far? Favorite, like, 63 00:03:02,380 --> 00:03:04,210 Speaker 2: favorite thing? Yeah. Like hobby 64 00:03:04,220 --> 00:03:05,579 Speaker 1: outside of being a, 65 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:09,649 Speaker 2: oh, I think it's related to gymnastics, yoga. So I 66 00:03:09,660 --> 00:03:12,710 Speaker 2: do yoga now on all my weekends. Yeah. Where do 67 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:12,869 Speaker 2: you 68 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:13,830 Speaker 1: go? I'm going 69 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,210 Speaker 1: pop in. 70 00:03:16,970 --> 00:03:19,809 Speaker 2: I, I mean, I have this yoga instructor. She used 71 00:03:19,820 --> 00:03:22,190 Speaker 2: to teach at the studio but then she left, then subsequently, 72 00:03:22,199 --> 00:03:24,038 Speaker 2: I think the class kind of just followed her. So 73 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:28,820 Speaker 2: we just do weekly yoga at this students. Condo. Yeah, 74 00:03:29,610 --> 00:03:33,100 Speaker 2: we just have yoga. Yeah. That's incredible. Very, very cool. 75 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:36,029 Speaker 2: So fun story before the camera started rolling, right? He 76 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,190 Speaker 2: was actually talking to me and she said the best 77 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:40,860 Speaker 2: part of the job was getting to go in and 78 00:03:40,869 --> 00:03:44,570 Speaker 2: exercise every morning, every morning. And I'm like, this is 79 00:03:44,580 --> 00:03:46,419 Speaker 2: not something I hear on a daily basis, 80 00:03:47,059 --> 00:03:50,789 Speaker 2: but please explain yourself. Yeah. Ok. So to be honest, right. 81 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,410 Speaker 2: I think I'm a really lazy person. So, like, if 82 00:03:54,419 --> 00:03:54,860 Speaker 2: I know you're not. 83 00:03:55,399 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: No. So, so if I don't have like, a structured, um, 84 00:03:58,809 --> 00:04:02,199 Speaker 2: schedule or like, you know, what do you say? Yeah. Yeah, I, 85 00:04:02,210 --> 00:04:05,050 Speaker 2: I don't, I, I don't think I have much discipline 86 00:04:05,059 --> 00:04:09,029 Speaker 2: as a kid. You're a captain. So I thought that, er, 87 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:12,679 Speaker 2: actually sign on the, the lifestyle will kind of like, 88 00:04:12,690 --> 00:04:15,050 Speaker 2: force me to be more active because I think if 89 00:04:15,059 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 2: you go for like, a normal, typical corporate job or like, 90 00:04:18,369 --> 00:04:20,109 Speaker 2: you know, after you graduate from UNI, then 91 00:04:20,428 --> 00:04:23,049 Speaker 2: if you just work 9 to 5 then you don't 92 00:04:23,059 --> 00:04:25,739 Speaker 2: really exercise much. Yeah, very 93 00:04:25,750 --> 00:04:27,269 Speaker 1: sedentary lifestyle as they 94 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,450 Speaker 2: say. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, 95 00:04:30,109 --> 00:04:32,589 Speaker 1: pretty much. But since you've been in the army, well, 96 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,209 Speaker 1: this is your ninth year, I assume it's an assumption 97 00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: that you have a lot of guy friends because you're 98 00:04:38,170 --> 00:04:39,519 Speaker 1: in the army. Is it, is it true? 99 00:04:39,529 --> 00:04:40,988 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it's true. I think it's something that my 100 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,100 Speaker 2: mom constantly brings up. 101 00:04:44,178 --> 00:04:48,130 Speaker 2: Our friends are guys, three friends that actually force you 102 00:04:48,140 --> 00:04:49,890 Speaker 2: in that sense to, like, find a partner and settle 103 00:04:49,899 --> 00:04:52,789 Speaker 2: down because you are in contact with so many guy friends, 104 00:04:52,859 --> 00:04:53,368 Speaker 2: the bigger, 105 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,769 Speaker 1: you know, like the higher the possibility. 106 00:04:55,779 --> 00:04:56,170 Speaker 2: Right. 107 00:04:57,209 --> 00:05:00,809 Speaker 2: Yeah, I, I think she just constantly brings it up and, 108 00:05:00,820 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: and I think she just doesn't feel to remind me 109 00:05:03,209 --> 00:05:07,019 Speaker 2: getting older. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, no rush. 110 00:05:07,029 --> 00:05:09,928 Speaker 1: But with your guy friends, I mean, obviously because you 111 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: serve in the army and you also went through something 112 00:05:12,209 --> 00:05:14,419 Speaker 1: like ns, do you find it easier to connect with 113 00:05:14,428 --> 00:05:16,420 Speaker 1: guys over this, you know, 114 00:05:16,510 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: conversation? Yeah, definitely. Like, I think it's something that, 115 00:05:20,510 --> 00:05:23,049 Speaker 2: um, even like when I went to UNI, then you 116 00:05:23,059 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: tell people that, oh, actually I've been to like PM 117 00:05:25,488 --> 00:05:28,380 Speaker 2: to CS then they're like, oh, wow. Like, why do 118 00:05:28,390 --> 00:05:30,829 Speaker 2: you sign on then, then, then the conversation just starts 119 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,170 Speaker 2: from there and then it just flows and then you 120 00:05:33,178 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: just have this like shared experience and shared identity with 121 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:38,209 Speaker 2: them that I think it's not very common for females 122 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:40,459 Speaker 2: to have with them. Yeah. Yeah, I remember in my 123 00:05:40,470 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: uni days when I would meet my jac friends, all 124 00:05:43,290 --> 00:05:45,859 Speaker 2: the guys would just be talking on and on about 125 00:05:45,869 --> 00:05:45,929 Speaker 2: that 126 00:05:47,059 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: and even now like 10 years down. Yeah, they about it. 127 00:05:51,019 --> 00:05:53,380 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, remember when we were in the phone 128 00:05:53,470 --> 00:05:55,808 Speaker 1: and we do this and I'll give you an example 129 00:05:55,820 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: of how um being in NS can really, I guess, 130 00:05:59,010 --> 00:06:01,209 Speaker 1: help people connect. So I was at a bar about 131 00:06:01,220 --> 00:06:04,109 Speaker 1: a year ago with my radio show partner, Avery. Avery 132 00:06:04,119 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: used to be in the Air Force, this random group, 133 00:06:06,730 --> 00:06:08,630 Speaker 1: other group of people at the bar decided to come 134 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,450 Speaker 1: chat us up because we had a few cute girls 135 00:06:10,459 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: in our group. So yeah, 136 00:06:12,619 --> 00:06:15,170 Speaker 1: so they come chat us up and every being the 137 00:06:15,178 --> 00:06:17,519 Speaker 1: macho man that he is, he's very protective of us, 138 00:06:17,529 --> 00:06:20,959 Speaker 1: of all us girls. Right? Until he hears that one 139 00:06:20,970 --> 00:06:24,350 Speaker 1: of those guys is in the Air Force, Air Force. 140 00:06:24,529 --> 00:06:26,529 Speaker 1: And then he was like, you were in the Air Force. 141 00:06:26,540 --> 00:06:28,170 Speaker 1: I was in the Air Force. What were you doing? 142 00:06:28,178 --> 00:06:29,868 Speaker 1: Such a rescue? Da, da, da, da, da, da. And 143 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,928 Speaker 1: then it just went on and now they're very good friends. 144 00:06:31,940 --> 00:06:34,790 Speaker 1: So it started all there. Yeah. 145 00:06:35,119 --> 00:06:38,450 Speaker 2: But is it the same amongst female recruits, regardless of 146 00:06:38,459 --> 00:06:40,700 Speaker 2: whether you're like female or male? Right. I think when 147 00:06:40,709 --> 00:06:43,809 Speaker 2: you just meet, um, people, even though you've never met 148 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:46,328 Speaker 2: them before and then you just meet them outside. Um, 149 00:06:46,630 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: and they know that you are in the military, then 150 00:06:49,209 --> 00:06:51,339 Speaker 2: the story just come up naturally. And I think for 151 00:06:51,350 --> 00:06:54,089 Speaker 2: guys especially it's, it's just this two years, which is 152 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:56,570 Speaker 2: like a, you know, a phase in their life that 153 00:06:56,579 --> 00:06:59,339 Speaker 2: everybody has to go through and sometimes I think it's 154 00:06:59,350 --> 00:07:01,488 Speaker 2: quite tough on them because it's like, you know, you're 155 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:03,510 Speaker 2: forced to be away from 156 00:07:03,769 --> 00:07:06,940 Speaker 2: your, your normal life, your, your family and your friends 157 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,839 Speaker 2: and tough times usually form good memories. Right. Yeah. So, 158 00:07:10,940 --> 00:07:12,899 Speaker 2: so I think these are good memories that people usually 159 00:07:12,910 --> 00:07:15,690 Speaker 2: like to talk about reminisce about the time. Yeah. It's 160 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:15,709 Speaker 2: a 161 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,140 Speaker 1: unique experience that none of us have. You know, we 162 00:07:18,149 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: can't talk about Leopard Crawl or Shell script. I mean, 163 00:07:20,769 --> 00:07:22,839 Speaker 1: we know what they are because we've heard about them enough, 164 00:07:23,089 --> 00:07:24,279 Speaker 1: but never actually 165 00:07:25,420 --> 00:07:27,809 Speaker 2: experience it. But I think we brought up a very 166 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: good point. 167 00:07:28,660 --> 00:07:31,519 Speaker 2: Like guys, they don't have a choice. Whereas for female 168 00:07:31,529 --> 00:07:33,540 Speaker 2: recruits you have, you can choose whether you want to 169 00:07:33,549 --> 00:07:36,220 Speaker 2: join the army or not. So, thus far, what has 170 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:38,209 Speaker 2: been your best experience of being in the army? I 171 00:07:38,220 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: think usually my best experiences are usually the toughest times 172 00:07:41,049 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: that you go through, 173 00:07:42,549 --> 00:07:44,510 Speaker 1: but you didn't have to shave your head. 174 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:46,350 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I can keep my hair. 175 00:07:46,799 --> 00:07:47,739 Speaker 1: I can consider it a 176 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:53,070 Speaker 2: certain style though. I think you keep it neat and acceptable. 177 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:55,679 Speaker 2: Like your current hairstyle neat and tidy. 178 00:07:55,845 --> 00:07:59,665 Speaker 1: I would like to learn that if you can just actually, um, 179 00:07:59,674 --> 00:08:01,355 Speaker 1: I've got a female friend who is also in the 180 00:08:01,364 --> 00:08:04,015 Speaker 1: army and there was once I asked her like, oh, 181 00:08:04,024 --> 00:08:05,924 Speaker 1: you know, what's that like? Because she signed on after 182 00:08:05,934 --> 00:08:08,135 Speaker 1: a levels as well. And she said, oh, I learned 183 00:08:08,144 --> 00:08:09,535 Speaker 1: how to drive a tank before I learned how to 184 00:08:09,545 --> 00:08:12,394 Speaker 1: drive a car. And then her husband is also in 185 00:08:12,404 --> 00:08:14,704 Speaker 1: the army. Eventually I spoke to him and I said, oh, 186 00:08:14,714 --> 00:08:16,005 Speaker 1: she was telling me about how she learned how to 187 00:08:16,015 --> 00:08:18,674 Speaker 1: drive there. He was like, have you said her car? 188 00:08:18,684 --> 00:08:20,575 Speaker 1: I was like, no, he was like, yeah, I don't, 189 00:08:20,584 --> 00:08:22,445 Speaker 1: she still drives it like that. 190 00:08:24,540 --> 00:08:28,950 Speaker 1: That's, that's impressive though. A girl that can drive a tank, like, yeah. Um, 191 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: and today we're gonna talk about everything, you know, in 192 00:08:32,090 --> 00:08:34,789 Speaker 1: the army in n so don't worry about over sharing. Right. Yeah, 193 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: we are here to listen to you. 194 00:08:37,099 --> 00:08:38,489 Speaker 2: I want to listen actually. Yeah, I 195 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: do curious to know, um, we're going to deep dive 196 00:08:41,330 --> 00:08:43,770 Speaker 1: into life in the army for female 197 00:08:43,864 --> 00:08:47,833 Speaker 1: soldiers. Right. And growing up, I think, no, no girls 198 00:08:47,843 --> 00:08:50,263 Speaker 1: that I knew, thought, oh, I'm going to pursue a 199 00:08:50,273 --> 00:08:53,453 Speaker 1: career in the army, you know, in the field. Right. Um, 200 00:08:53,463 --> 00:08:55,763 Speaker 1: we mostly would think to be a student. 201 00:08:57,153 --> 00:09:00,564 Speaker 2: My dream, believe it or not. What was your dream 202 00:09:01,713 --> 00:09:06,203 Speaker 2: is like one of my. Yeah. Yeah. But I was like, 203 00:09:06,213 --> 00:09:07,213 Speaker 2: too short. Oh, my God, 204 00:09:10,119 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: me too. What about you? What was your dream as well? 205 00:09:12,010 --> 00:09:14,530 Speaker 1: I think I either wanted to be a musician or 206 00:09:14,539 --> 00:09:15,709 Speaker 1: a lawyer. Ok. So she 207 00:09:15,719 --> 00:09:17,500 Speaker 2: studied law, by the way? Oh, wow. 208 00:09:17,729 --> 00:09:20,479 Speaker 1: She did. So nobody wanted to be in the army 209 00:09:20,489 --> 00:09:23,858 Speaker 1: but look at here, right. She ended up serving almost 210 00:09:23,869 --> 00:09:26,979 Speaker 1: for 10 years. So this was not your dream job. 211 00:09:27,109 --> 00:09:30,190 Speaker 1: You kind of found your way there. But when you 212 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: wanted to be like, I guess, you know, as ST, 213 00:09:32,010 --> 00:09:34,250 Speaker 1: and this is very, very different. Do you see any 214 00:09:34,260 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: similarities in the, at the end of 215 00:09:36,090 --> 00:09:40,390 Speaker 2: the day? How to talk to people, I guess? Right. Like, um, 216 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,968 Speaker 2: I mean, as a steers you need to be able 217 00:09:41,979 --> 00:09:44,919 Speaker 2: to serve your customers. Right. Basically. And, and I think 218 00:09:44,929 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: you need to be in talking to them. I think 219 00:09:46,690 --> 00:09:49,289 Speaker 2: that that's also similar in the army. I think that's 220 00:09:49,299 --> 00:09:51,419 Speaker 2: something that you learn how you work with people. 221 00:09:51,669 --> 00:09:55,109 Speaker 2: You know, if you're in a command appointment then sometimes 222 00:09:55,119 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: you have to, you have to be a bit more firm. Yeah. 223 00:09:58,210 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 2: To get a point across people don't listen to you 224 00:10:00,210 --> 00:10:02,468 Speaker 2: because you're an officer. Right. But people listen to you 225 00:10:02,479 --> 00:10:04,630 Speaker 2: because they respect you. I think so. That's the, that's 226 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,369 Speaker 2: the part that I think, uh, something that you learned 227 00:10:07,380 --> 00:10:08,500 Speaker 2: along the way. Are you very 228 00:10:08,510 --> 00:10:10,549 Speaker 1: stern? Are you that, that kind of leader? I 229 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:11,820 Speaker 2: don't think so. 230 00:10:12,950 --> 00:10:15,250 Speaker 2: You look very bubbly, to be honest. Yeah. Um, I 231 00:10:15,260 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: think so, officers usually we work with a warrant officers and, 232 00:10:19,210 --> 00:10:24,020 Speaker 2: and there's always this strong officer was partnership that we have. And, 233 00:10:24,340 --> 00:10:27,580 Speaker 2: uh, so, you know, if I have a partner right then, then, 234 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:29,059 Speaker 2: you know, we will talk about it and say like, 235 00:10:29,070 --> 00:10:30,690 Speaker 2: you know, you will be the devil and I'll be 236 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:35,479 Speaker 2: the angel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like good cop, bad cop. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. So, 237 00:10:35,489 --> 00:10:37,659 Speaker 2: so we, I think we decon that out and I 238 00:10:37,669 --> 00:10:39,820 Speaker 2: think if the partner that I have to work with 239 00:10:39,830 --> 00:10:42,750 Speaker 2: is somebody even softer than me, then I will naturally 240 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 2: take out that role. I, 241 00:10:44,719 --> 00:10:46,419 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't last a day in the army 242 00:10:46,429 --> 00:10:47,830 Speaker 1: because I don't know how to follow rules. 243 00:10:48,669 --> 00:10:49,659 Speaker 2: She wouldn't, 244 00:10:49,669 --> 00:10:53,580 Speaker 1: she wouldn't, even if it was mandated, they kick you out. 245 00:10:54,229 --> 00:10:56,929 Speaker 1: But in a country like Singapore where it's not mandated 246 00:10:56,940 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: for women to actually serve in national service. I'm sure 247 00:11:00,289 --> 00:11:02,869 Speaker 1: you receive a lot of, like, raised eyebrows along the 248 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,630 Speaker 1: way in these last 10 years. Like, huh, you're in 249 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: the army? Why, why would you join the army? Right. 250 00:11:06,770 --> 00:11:08,489 Speaker 1: What do you say to these people? It is 251 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:11,710 Speaker 2: a great job. Like, ok, I think, like, I would 252 00:11:11,719 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: say his career is not a job. People usually stay 253 00:11:13,650 --> 00:11:15,539 Speaker 2: in for the long haul, right? And 254 00:11:15,609 --> 00:11:19,659 Speaker 2: we actually have multiple jobs during this entire career itself. 255 00:11:19,669 --> 00:11:21,968 Speaker 2: So every 2 to 3 years, you're always constantly doing 256 00:11:21,979 --> 00:11:25,530 Speaker 2: something different. Yeah. So why I'm here is because I 257 00:11:25,539 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: think it's dynamic enough that it gives me, you know, 258 00:11:28,549 --> 00:11:31,549 Speaker 2: exposure to a lot of different things like previously, you know, 259 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,619 Speaker 2: how to manage people, like I mentioned right then, now 260 00:11:34,630 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: I'm in a staff tour where I have to 261 00:11:37,289 --> 00:11:40,489 Speaker 2: basically um think about the future. So I'm, I'm currently 262 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:44,909 Speaker 2: a plans officer and I basically architect, how army communications 263 00:11:44,919 --> 00:11:46,579 Speaker 2: will look like in 2040 264 00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: years. I don't even know I'm happy for. 265 00:11:51,950 --> 00:11:55,059 Speaker 2: Right. That's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's really 266 00:11:55,070 --> 00:11:57,059 Speaker 2: uh I would say meaningful career where you get to 267 00:11:57,070 --> 00:12:00,630 Speaker 2: do many different things and I guess influence generally how 268 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: the organization will be a 269 00:12:02,380 --> 00:12:05,729 Speaker 1: lot of progression. There's a lot of room to grow. 270 00:12:05,739 --> 00:12:07,020 Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, definitely. 271 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:09,809 Speaker 1: My question is between Hazel A and I, who would 272 00:12:09,820 --> 00:12:11,950 Speaker 1: do the best in the military? 273 00:12:12,619 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: Wow, I'm still 274 00:12:18,229 --> 00:12:19,159 Speaker 1: she can't follow 275 00:12:19,169 --> 00:12:23,659 Speaker 2: rules. I don't think rules are difficult to follow, like, really, like, um, 276 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:28,409 Speaker 2: it's, they all make sense. It's not something that is, like, 277 00:12:28,419 --> 00:12:31,780 Speaker 2: you know, like, unfair, unfair. Yeah. So it just makes 278 00:12:31,789 --> 00:12:34,710 Speaker 2: sense and, and most of it, most of the rules 279 00:12:34,719 --> 00:12:37,070 Speaker 2: are meant to be there to protect your safety and 280 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,109 Speaker 2: your well being. So, I'm 281 00:12:38,570 --> 00:12:42,750 Speaker 1: still, I don't like being in the sun so, maybe 282 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:49,190 Speaker 2: it's a bit difficult. I like the exercising part though. Yeah, 283 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:49,900 Speaker 2: I like it, 284 00:12:50,450 --> 00:12:52,699 Speaker 2: but maybe every day is a bit hard core. I 285 00:12:52,750 --> 00:12:55,189 Speaker 2: think you're not forced to do it every day. But, 286 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,140 Speaker 2: but I think it's just part of the culture that 287 00:12:57,150 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: the army has because, you know, every year as regulars 288 00:12:59,650 --> 00:13:03,900 Speaker 2: you need to clear fitness, training, fitness. Sorry, the IP PTPP. 289 00:13:04,650 --> 00:13:07,090 Speaker 1: So are you held to the same IP PT standards 290 00:13:07,099 --> 00:13:08,130 Speaker 1: as the boys? 291 00:13:08,140 --> 00:13:11,609 Speaker 2: Actually, we have female I PPP standards. Yeah. Yeah. So, 292 00:13:11,619 --> 00:13:15,479 Speaker 2: I think in terms of, um, like physical standards, the 293 00:13:15,489 --> 00:13:18,159 Speaker 2: organization accommodates to the, the 294 00:13:18,252 --> 00:13:22,442 Speaker 2: general, physical standards of females. It's just that, um, when 295 00:13:22,453 --> 00:13:23,752 Speaker 2: you're out in the field you are expected to do 296 00:13:23,763 --> 00:13:26,033 Speaker 2: the same as well. So, you know, you can't really 297 00:13:26,043 --> 00:13:29,622 Speaker 2: have too much of a difference. Yeah, because you got 298 00:13:29,631 --> 00:13:31,622 Speaker 2: to keep up out in the field. Yeah, I have 299 00:13:31,631 --> 00:13:32,463 Speaker 2: a next question. 300 00:13:32,473 --> 00:13:35,182 Speaker 1: Ok. You know how like in real life, sometimes certain 301 00:13:35,192 --> 00:13:37,022 Speaker 1: things guys will just step in to do it for 302 00:13:37,033 --> 00:13:40,322 Speaker 1: you or like the help. So let's say you're out 303 00:13:40,333 --> 00:13:42,932 Speaker 1: in the field. Right. It's something that you can do, 304 00:13:42,973 --> 00:13:46,203 Speaker 1: but do male officers volunteer to, 305 00:13:46,276 --> 00:13:47,505 Speaker 1: to do certain things for you because it's a little 306 00:13:47,515 --> 00:13:48,445 Speaker 1: bit harder or 307 00:13:48,455 --> 00:13:52,116 Speaker 2: constantly, I think because the fact that you are there 308 00:13:52,125 --> 00:13:55,135 Speaker 2: with them. Right. I only female in that wing. Yeah. Correct. 309 00:13:55,145 --> 00:13:58,515 Speaker 2: Like the, the, yeah, they look for me because I 310 00:13:58,526 --> 00:14:00,195 Speaker 2: think we have, I would chat with them and they 311 00:14:00,205 --> 00:14:01,856 Speaker 2: were telling me, like, you know, if they have kids 312 00:14:01,866 --> 00:14:03,426 Speaker 2: in the future. Right. I don't think they want their 313 00:14:03,434 --> 00:14:07,315 Speaker 2: daughters to go through the same things that they go through. Intention. Yeah. Yeah, 314 00:14:07,325 --> 00:14:09,926 Speaker 2: it's good intention. Definitely. So, I think they, they constantly 315 00:14:09,934 --> 00:14:12,405 Speaker 2: offer help, then you just tell them now it's fine. 316 00:14:12,416 --> 00:14:13,545 Speaker 2: I can do it. Yeah, 317 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,780 Speaker 2: I'm a strong woman right here. You know, I hear 318 00:14:16,789 --> 00:14:19,539 Speaker 2: a lot of motivation and, like passion from the words 319 00:14:19,549 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: that you've been saying. But were your parents and your 320 00:14:22,090 --> 00:14:26,159 Speaker 2: friends equally supportive of your decision? Yeah. Actually I think, er, m, 321 00:14:26,169 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: my parents were very supportive because I, yeah, because I 322 00:14:30,090 --> 00:14:33,510 Speaker 2: think in addition to being a student, right. I wanted 323 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:35,789 Speaker 2: one of the options that I considered, um, 324 00:14:36,072 --> 00:14:38,992 Speaker 2: when I was studying was to actually be a makeup artist. 325 00:14:39,002 --> 00:14:41,393 Speaker 2: So I wanted to do cosmetology, like, right after a 326 00:14:41,403 --> 00:14:43,413 Speaker 2: levels I didn't want to go to UNI, and I 327 00:14:43,422 --> 00:14:44,963 Speaker 2: think when my parents heard that they were like, oh, 328 00:14:44,973 --> 00:14:47,992 Speaker 2: actually the beauty industry is quite competitive. You want to 329 00:14:48,672 --> 00:14:49,963 Speaker 1: make money. That's what they're saying. 330 00:14:50,732 --> 00:14:53,083 Speaker 2: So, I think when I told them that, you know, 331 00:14:53,093 --> 00:14:56,112 Speaker 2: maybe I'm gonna try to join the army then that's 332 00:14:56,122 --> 00:14:57,333 Speaker 2: something that they, 333 00:14:57,625 --> 00:15:01,476 Speaker 2: for the least supportive, I think because of the financial stability, 334 00:15:01,486 --> 00:15:04,515 Speaker 2: competitive beauty industry, typical, like Asian parents, 335 00:15:05,385 --> 00:15:07,515 Speaker 1: I'm sure they didn't expect that you would, you know, 336 00:15:07,526 --> 00:15:10,565 Speaker 1: still be in this career 10 years down the road. Actually, 337 00:15:10,575 --> 00:15:10,585 Speaker 1: I 338 00:15:10,596 --> 00:15:13,255 Speaker 2: think they thought that it was a good fit for my, 339 00:15:13,366 --> 00:15:19,075 Speaker 2: my character. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe because of the leadership, um, 340 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:22,450 Speaker 2: chances that I've had throughout school, like, you know, like 341 00:15:22,789 --> 00:15:25,789 Speaker 2: more that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. So they thought 342 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:27,340 Speaker 2: that it might be a good fit. So 343 00:15:27,349 --> 00:15:30,460 Speaker 1: she's always had leadership qualities. So I guess that's, that's 344 00:15:30,469 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: where it started out. I always see in like, movies. 345 00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:35,979 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true. Right. In movies. Whenever 346 00:15:35,989 --> 00:15:38,210 Speaker 1: there's a female officer, like our boys to men, we've 347 00:15:38,219 --> 00:15:40,739 Speaker 1: seen it all right. Right. Then the boys, the recruits 348 00:15:40,750 --> 00:15:42,159 Speaker 1: will be like, what, like, you know, 349 00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:45,479 Speaker 1: is that something that happens in real life? Like when 350 00:15:45,489 --> 00:15:47,950 Speaker 1: ns men come in and they see who this is 351 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,010 Speaker 1: my officer who 352 00:15:49,469 --> 00:15:54,799 Speaker 2: I think so, like, ok, I think it's more prevalent 353 00:15:54,809 --> 00:15:59,219 Speaker 2: in BMT because you are a platoon of females, right? 354 00:15:59,469 --> 00:16:02,059 Speaker 2: And, and you're in with 355 00:16:02,090 --> 00:16:03,890 Speaker 1: 18 year old boys raging. 356 00:16:04,969 --> 00:16:07,710 Speaker 2: Right. So, so I think when we march around and, 357 00:16:07,719 --> 00:16:09,469 Speaker 2: or as we go to the house and you will 358 00:16:09,479 --> 00:16:12,909 Speaker 2: just see eyes turning around. And for example, I mentioned 359 00:16:12,919 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: that when I was in O CS, there's only three females, right? 360 00:16:15,419 --> 00:16:17,940 Speaker 2: I think the entire O CS knew who these three 361 00:16:17,950 --> 00:16:20,330 Speaker 2: females were even though they, you know, they were not 362 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:20,940 Speaker 2: in our wing. 363 00:16:21,179 --> 00:16:23,020 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think it's natural 364 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,979 Speaker 1: to have a bit more attention because it's like, you know, the, 365 00:16:25,989 --> 00:16:27,049 Speaker 1: statistically 366 00:16:27,380 --> 00:16:31,030 Speaker 2: like that though. I, I don't think like anybody enjoys 367 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:33,599 Speaker 2: that kind of attention, but it's just something that you 368 00:16:33,609 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: get used to. Ok. Let's 369 00:16:35,210 --> 00:16:39,010 Speaker 1: get like, really, you know, I guess get in depth 370 00:16:39,020 --> 00:16:41,770 Speaker 1: on being a female in the army. We have different. 371 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,820 Speaker 1: How do you say different needs than men? We go 372 00:16:44,830 --> 00:16:47,340 Speaker 1: through menstrual cycles, we go through things like, you know, 373 00:16:47,349 --> 00:16:49,940 Speaker 1: all these things, is there a way that you deal 374 00:16:49,950 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: with it in the army? Like if you're on your 375 00:16:51,650 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: period and you get like massive cramps or like, you know, 376 00:16:53,969 --> 00:16:56,580 Speaker 1: there's so many things, right? If you're outfield for seven 377 00:16:56,590 --> 00:16:58,789 Speaker 1: days and you're on your period, like, what do you do? 378 00:16:58,799 --> 00:16:59,099 Speaker 1: I think 379 00:16:59,109 --> 00:17:00,270 Speaker 2: you just deal with it normally, 380 00:17:00,340 --> 00:17:03,190 Speaker 2: but you bring your supplies out. So like whatever you 381 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,238 Speaker 2: need pads, like wet wipes and all that. So there 382 00:17:06,250 --> 00:17:09,619 Speaker 2: was once actually when I was um in Brunei during 383 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:12,619 Speaker 2: my jungle confidence course for O CS. Yes. So, so 384 00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:14,949 Speaker 2: basically we were out for the course you are just 385 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: out in the jungle with your teammates for nine days. 386 00:17:18,010 --> 00:17:18,589 Speaker 2: And 387 00:17:18,979 --> 00:17:21,339 Speaker 2: uh there are different phases. So you basically walk around 388 00:17:21,349 --> 00:17:23,630 Speaker 2: the jungle to find checkpoints. And then there's a survival 389 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,010 Speaker 2: phase where you build your own tent, build your own 390 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:30,489 Speaker 2: kind of mini hut with the chopped down trees and 391 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:33,050 Speaker 2: then you build those things. Yeah. So my period came 392 00:17:33,060 --> 00:17:35,890 Speaker 2: during that time actually and I, I thought I was like, 393 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:38,550 Speaker 2: oh shit like, yeah, because um 394 00:17:39,069 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: it's just not, it's not convenient to have it out, 395 00:17:42,530 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: feel more tired actually. I think physically, not that much. Like, 396 00:17:47,170 --> 00:17:51,140 Speaker 2: surprisingly when I do more physical activity I get lesser cramps. 397 00:17:51,369 --> 00:17:55,530 Speaker 2: It's proven. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I've never had major 398 00:17:55,540 --> 00:17:58,099 Speaker 2: cramps when I was training. It's 399 00:17:58,109 --> 00:17:59,020 Speaker 1: just the hassle of 400 00:17:59,030 --> 00:18:01,410 Speaker 2: it. Yeah. It's just, it's just troublesome but it's not 401 00:18:01,420 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 2: something that, you know, like, 402 00:18:02,805 --> 00:18:06,375 Speaker 2: disables you. Where do you dispose your supplies? So you, 403 00:18:06,385 --> 00:18:09,834 Speaker 2: you bring newspaper and Ziploc backs out. So, so you 404 00:18:09,844 --> 00:18:15,915 Speaker 2: wrap all of it and keep it until you are out. Wow. Yeah, 405 00:18:16,135 --> 00:18:17,755 Speaker 2: you wrap it up in the 406 00:18:17,765 --> 00:18:19,714 Speaker 1: newspaper. Smell is very strong. So, I think 407 00:18:21,114 --> 00:18:21,915 Speaker 2: you just wrap it in. 408 00:18:22,724 --> 00:18:25,425 Speaker 1: No, I've heard like, so we have some responses from 409 00:18:25,435 --> 00:18:26,474 Speaker 1: like Reddit, right? 410 00:18:26,540 --> 00:18:30,449 Speaker 1: Where some, um, ns men have spoken about, oh, what 411 00:18:30,579 --> 00:18:33,540 Speaker 1: their female counterparts do. Apparently some people, like, take the 412 00:18:33,550 --> 00:18:36,510 Speaker 1: pill to skip a cycle, like, let's say if they're 413 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,310 Speaker 1: going out field, which I think, you know, it's possible 414 00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:42,829 Speaker 1: it's convenient or um, someone said back in S CS 415 00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:46,339 Speaker 1: they just use tampons because it's a lot cleaner than pets. And, 416 00:18:46,349 --> 00:18:48,010 Speaker 1: you know, if you have to go in the water, 417 00:18:48,020 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 1: the water pressure actually keeps it in. 418 00:18:50,275 --> 00:18:51,784 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you can go on the water. Yeah. So 419 00:18:51,795 --> 00:18:54,323 Speaker 2: I use tampons as well because I think it's just 420 00:18:54,334 --> 00:18:57,015 Speaker 2: easier to clean up compared to wearing pads because if 421 00:18:57,025 --> 00:18:58,834 Speaker 2: you are, if you are wearing pets and, you know, 422 00:18:58,844 --> 00:19:01,333 Speaker 2: you go into a muddy place, you never know. Right. 423 00:19:01,344 --> 00:19:03,805 Speaker 2: When you will raise your mud, it's a bit gross 424 00:19:03,814 --> 00:19:06,834 Speaker 2: to have your pet soak up all the stuff. Yeah. 425 00:19:06,844 --> 00:19:08,744 Speaker 2: So I, I think it's a bit more sanitary to 426 00:19:08,755 --> 00:19:11,885 Speaker 2: use tampons, easier to clean up as well. Yeah. But 427 00:19:11,895 --> 00:19:15,744 Speaker 2: I think the pill is like, I think people don't 428 00:19:15,755 --> 00:19:18,114 Speaker 2: take it to skip cycles, they just take it because, 429 00:19:18,125 --> 00:19:19,444 Speaker 2: you know, you know, when you bleed. 430 00:19:20,020 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, because then you can kind of plan you prepared 431 00:19:22,770 --> 00:19:23,670 Speaker 1: for it. Have you 432 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,530 Speaker 2: done that yourself? Yeah, I do actually. Like I take, 433 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: I mean, I take birth control pills 434 00:19:28,790 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 2: just to regulate my cycle because it, it, I mean, 435 00:19:31,250 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 2: it's every 21 days. Right. So at the 21 day, 436 00:19:33,489 --> 00:19:36,619 Speaker 2: you know that, ok, you know, I'm gonna bleed. We 437 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:37,819 Speaker 2: head for it basically. 438 00:19:37,829 --> 00:19:41,739 Speaker 1: I don't like surprises so you can schedule when it's 439 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:43,609 Speaker 2: going to come. Yeah. I mean, not like when I 440 00:19:43,619 --> 00:19:46,599 Speaker 2: was in the, the jungle confidence. Course that was a surprise. 441 00:19:46,609 --> 00:19:48,969 Speaker 2: So when that came, it was difficult because like I 442 00:19:48,979 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 2: had to wash my erts with river water. Yeah. So 443 00:19:54,489 --> 00:19:56,859 Speaker 2: not pleasant. And did you have your supplies with you? 444 00:19:57,140 --> 00:19:59,270 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, I did. So it's not difficult and 445 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,209 Speaker 2: we had a change of clothes so I could change 446 00:20:01,219 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: as well. And because you're surrounded by like, you know, 447 00:20:03,010 --> 00:20:05,589 Speaker 1: men all the time, um, has it become like a 448 00:20:05,599 --> 00:20:07,629 Speaker 1: normal thing of which you can just easily say to 449 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,619 Speaker 1: them like, oh, I'm on my period or is it 450 00:20:09,630 --> 00:20:11,599 Speaker 1: still like a hush hush thing? You know, where you 451 00:20:11,609 --> 00:20:12,219 Speaker 1: don't speak 452 00:20:12,229 --> 00:20:14,389 Speaker 2: of it? Yeah, I mean, I'm quite open about it. 453 00:20:14,410 --> 00:20:17,629 Speaker 2: I know of people who are not very comfortable, but 454 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,540 Speaker 2: actually the guys themselves are very understanding. So, like if 455 00:20:20,550 --> 00:20:21,930 Speaker 2: you tell them, you know, I'm on my prayer, I'm 456 00:20:21,939 --> 00:20:22,989 Speaker 2: not feeling well today. 457 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:25,469 Speaker 2: Um, yeah, then they, they will just actually give you 458 00:20:25,479 --> 00:20:27,170 Speaker 2: a lot of space to do what we need to do. 459 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:31,410 Speaker 1: Yeah. So proud of our female. Makes all Singaporean men 460 00:20:31,420 --> 00:20:33,849 Speaker 1: sound like gentlemen. Ah, where are you? 461 00:20:35,369 --> 00:20:35,669 Speaker 1: Hello, 462 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,329 Speaker 1: actually, right. I have a question for female officers when, 463 00:20:39,339 --> 00:20:42,819 Speaker 1: you know, start a family when you are pregnant. For example, 464 00:20:42,829 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: how does the army support 465 00:20:44,369 --> 00:20:49,050 Speaker 2: them? The army supports by posting you, you know, to 466 00:20:49,060 --> 00:20:51,930 Speaker 2: a job that allows you to have a bit more 467 00:20:51,939 --> 00:20:54,448 Speaker 2: time to go back home with your family, you know, 468 00:20:54,459 --> 00:20:57,448 Speaker 2: or to have time off. Do you, you can go 469 00:20:57,459 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 2: for your doctor's appointment, things like that. Yeah. So structurally 470 00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:01,469 Speaker 2: in terms of 471 00:21:01,686 --> 00:21:04,075 Speaker 2: the job that you are posted to, that's how it's managed. 472 00:21:04,234 --> 00:21:06,734 Speaker 2: But I think on a like a more personal level, 473 00:21:06,826 --> 00:21:10,345 Speaker 2: the the bosses are very accommodating. So like how, you know, 474 00:21:10,355 --> 00:21:12,215 Speaker 2: the job is very flexible, you come in at late 475 00:21:12,225 --> 00:21:14,645 Speaker 2: timing or, you know, if you need to leave early 476 00:21:14,656 --> 00:21:17,535 Speaker 2: for certain reasons, I think bosses are always very willing 477 00:21:17,546 --> 00:21:19,656 Speaker 2: to accommodate and they understand. 478 00:21:20,765 --> 00:21:23,295 Speaker 1: So does that mean that, you know, once you're pregnant 479 00:21:23,355 --> 00:21:25,855 Speaker 1: it's quite automatic that they remove you from a more 480 00:21:25,865 --> 00:21:26,765 Speaker 1: physical 481 00:21:26,972 --> 00:21:29,562 Speaker 1: post and that they put you in something, a little 482 00:21:29,571 --> 00:21:31,031 Speaker 1: bit more office, for example. 483 00:21:31,041 --> 00:21:33,862 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I think there are many, ok, not many, 484 00:21:33,871 --> 00:21:37,901 Speaker 2: but a few instances where like, uh, females get pregnant 485 00:21:37,911 --> 00:21:41,411 Speaker 2: during their time in the ground unit and they, and 486 00:21:41,421 --> 00:21:44,942 Speaker 2: they actually got posted out prematurely because they got pregnant. 487 00:21:44,952 --> 00:21:47,182 Speaker 2: We want to protect them, right. So you can't expect 488 00:21:47,192 --> 00:21:49,241 Speaker 2: them to be, you know, I think there are certain 489 00:21:49,251 --> 00:21:52,202 Speaker 2: job demands when you're in a, maybe in a ground unit. 490 00:21:52,540 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and when you are pregnant it's very difficult 491 00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:57,468 Speaker 2: to meet these demands. Yeah. So I think from both 492 00:21:57,479 --> 00:22:02,550 Speaker 2: a personal and the organizational perspective, the, the organization wants 493 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: to take care of both the unit and the service woman. Yeah, per, 494 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: of being a female officer. Er, m, I guess they 495 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:10,410 Speaker 1: understand 496 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:13,270 Speaker 1: towards you. It's great that they are do you find 497 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: that your recruits? Right. Because you're a female, they tend to, like, 498 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,349 Speaker 1: listen to you more than if you were a male 499 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,430 Speaker 1: saying the same things to them. Actually, I think on 500 00:22:22,439 --> 00:22:24,949 Speaker 2: the flip side. Yeah. Do they listen to you less? Well, 501 00:22:24,959 --> 00:22:28,349 Speaker 2: I think this is difficult. I, I've never ever, um, 502 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:32,060 Speaker 2: taught that they, you know, they listen to me or 503 00:22:32,069 --> 00:22:35,250 Speaker 2: they don't listen to me because I'm female. Yeah. I 504 00:22:35,260 --> 00:22:37,849 Speaker 2: think it's just more of like, whether I get their 505 00:22:37,859 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 2: respect or not. Right. Yeah. And they also know, like, 506 00:22:41,489 --> 00:22:44,449 Speaker 2: you know, based on your character, whether you can be 507 00:22:44,459 --> 00:22:45,109 Speaker 2: tough or not 508 00:22:45,380 --> 00:22:47,369 Speaker 2: and if it's not you to be tough then you 509 00:22:47,380 --> 00:22:49,270 Speaker 2: don't have to force yourself to be. So, 510 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,179 Speaker 1: just because it's all guys, you don't have to, you know, 511 00:22:52,189 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: kind of put this pressure on yourself, like, oh, I 512 00:22:53,969 --> 00:22:56,579 Speaker 1: got to be even more manly than them to gain 513 00:22:56,589 --> 00:22:58,150 Speaker 1: their respect. It's not like, yeah, I 514 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,229 Speaker 2: don't think it's about, like, being manly or being tough, 515 00:23:01,239 --> 00:23:04,750 Speaker 2: but it's just about your intellect, I guess, like, being, 516 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,449 Speaker 2: you know, being saying something that makes more sense, I think. 517 00:23:08,530 --> 00:23:12,129 Speaker 1: Very interesting. Um, do your recruits ever try to be cheeky? 518 00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:12,589 Speaker 1: I don't 519 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:18,198 Speaker 2: think they are like cheeky to me because, um, I'm female. 520 00:23:18,209 --> 00:23:21,729 Speaker 2: They're just cheeky. It does seem like you have to 521 00:23:21,739 --> 00:23:24,030 Speaker 2: put up a more fierce front when you're in the 522 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:24,540 Speaker 2: army 523 00:23:24,550 --> 00:23:25,739 Speaker 1: to front. A tough 524 00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:28,290 Speaker 2: front. Does this roll over to your personal life? Like, 525 00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:30,129 Speaker 2: are your friends intimidated by you? 526 00:23:32,420 --> 00:23:35,939 Speaker 1: What about, like, if you're trying to date? Right. And 527 00:23:35,949 --> 00:23:38,339 Speaker 1: then they find out that you're an officer in the army? 528 00:23:38,349 --> 00:23:40,319 Speaker 1: How do guys deal with that? 529 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,540 Speaker 2: Actually? Don't, they don't really 530 00:23:43,099 --> 00:23:46,790 Speaker 2: react differently? Yeah. I think it's a good thing. So, 531 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: you have more in common, you know, I know more 532 00:23:50,540 --> 00:23:54,250 Speaker 2: about that. Yeah. But I think it's just more curiosity when, 533 00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:56,089 Speaker 2: when you tell them that you're from the army and 534 00:23:56,099 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, why did you sign on, you know, 535 00:23:58,050 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 2: what made you want to join the army? 536 00:24:00,099 --> 00:24:03,770 Speaker 1: So you have a, you have a conversation started with anyone. 537 00:24:03,864 --> 00:24:05,573 Speaker 1: You go on a date on if it's in Singapore 538 00:24:05,584 --> 00:24:08,145 Speaker 1: and they serve NSA. 539 00:24:08,255 --> 00:24:12,944 Speaker 2: Very good starter. Has your work ever affected your dating life? No. 540 00:24:12,954 --> 00:24:15,645 Speaker 2: Um So I think like I mentioned earlier, we are 541 00:24:15,655 --> 00:24:17,583 Speaker 2: quite dynamic, right? So every 23 years, we are in 542 00:24:17,625 --> 00:24:20,405 Speaker 2: a different place. So um there are, there are highs 543 00:24:20,415 --> 00:24:22,794 Speaker 2: and lows, I think through our career and sometimes, you know, 544 00:24:22,805 --> 00:24:24,555 Speaker 2: when you're on the ground, taking care of men, 545 00:24:24,849 --> 00:24:26,739 Speaker 2: then you put a bit more effort and time into 546 00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:29,260 Speaker 2: your work because naturally you are taking care of them, right? 547 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,079 Speaker 2: Certain times, I think a bit more relaxed, you get, 548 00:24:33,329 --> 00:24:37,669 Speaker 2: basically get to knock off um during normal working hours, 549 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,239 Speaker 2: normal office hours. And I think that allows you the 550 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:42,938 Speaker 2: space after work and on your weekends to go and 551 00:24:42,949 --> 00:24:43,728 Speaker 2: do whatever you want. 552 00:24:43,819 --> 00:24:45,379 Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like any other job 553 00:24:45,589 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: career you still have, like, time off, you can have 554 00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:51,750 Speaker 1: your social life. And in fact, I think, you know, 555 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,229 Speaker 1: for a lot of people that I've seen, like our 556 00:24:54,239 --> 00:24:57,050 Speaker 1: peers that work over time, perhaps you have a more 557 00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:58,698 Speaker 1: balanced life than that. Um, I, I 558 00:24:58,709 --> 00:25:01,489 Speaker 2: think a lot of people think that, uh, you know, 559 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 2: joining the army, you just constantly in camp, you're all 560 00:25:04,209 --> 00:25:07,260 Speaker 2: staying in. I, I don't think that's true. The career 561 00:25:07,270 --> 00:25:10,550 Speaker 2: itself is quite flexible. I think the organizational culture is 562 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,670 Speaker 2: also quite flexible. You know, so you, you don't really 563 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,219 Speaker 2: have to, 564 00:25:13,550 --> 00:25:17,079 Speaker 2: if working hours are like from 8 to 6 or 565 00:25:17,089 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: 8 to 5 30 566 00:25:18,459 --> 00:25:20,020 Speaker 2: you don't have to die that coming in at eight, 567 00:25:20,030 --> 00:25:21,939 Speaker 2: you know, for example, I need to take my car 568 00:25:21,949 --> 00:25:25,010 Speaker 2: to servicing, send my car in, right? So I just 569 00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:26,300 Speaker 2: sent my car in to my boss. You know, I'm 570 00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:28,500 Speaker 2: gonna be late. She's totally fine with that. As long 571 00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:29,540 Speaker 2: as you get your work done, 572 00:25:29,819 --> 00:25:32,010 Speaker 1: it's not as rigid as we think it is, you 573 00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:34,829 Speaker 1: would think, right? Like army, army, army, but actually it's, 574 00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:38,390 Speaker 1: it's really just like it's a normal job, but regardless, 575 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,270 Speaker 1: I think the military is still a very male dominated space. 576 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,449 Speaker 1: Do you wish there were more females in the 577 00:25:43,459 --> 00:25:46,229 Speaker 2: army? Yeah, definitely. I think, um 578 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,609 Speaker 2: like the females in the army, I think we bring 579 00:25:49,619 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 2: a different perspective to things and in the culture and 580 00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:55,290 Speaker 2: I think um 581 00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:59,819 Speaker 2: it is beneficial to have uh this kind of perspectives. 582 00:25:59,829 --> 00:26:02,619 Speaker 2: It brings a bit more balance. So certain things, I 583 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:06,349 Speaker 2: think softer aspects of things like dealing, I think with 584 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,290 Speaker 2: um you know, the reason even in society itself, we 585 00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,930 Speaker 2: have recent mental health increase in mental health issues. And 586 00:26:12,939 --> 00:26:14,670 Speaker 2: I think generally guys find it a bit easier to 587 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,198 Speaker 2: talk to females as well. Yes. Yeah. Right. And confide 588 00:26:17,209 --> 00:26:17,459 Speaker 2: in them. 589 00:26:17,546 --> 00:26:19,705 Speaker 2: So, so having this, you know, perspective and a softer 590 00:26:19,715 --> 00:26:23,484 Speaker 2: touch is I think beneficial to the army. Do you 591 00:26:23,494 --> 00:26:26,315 Speaker 1: think we're going to see more female officers in the future, 592 00:26:26,336 --> 00:26:29,015 Speaker 1: let's say from when you first came in nine years 593 00:26:29,026 --> 00:26:32,535 Speaker 1: ago and today, do you see more female officers today? Yeah, 594 00:26:32,546 --> 00:26:36,316 Speaker 2: definitely like a lot more. Yeah. So when I first 595 00:26:36,326 --> 00:26:38,936 Speaker 2: signed on like my BMT, we only had about 596 00:26:39,342 --> 00:26:42,910 Speaker 2: 30 females in the platoon after five years in the army, 597 00:26:42,921 --> 00:26:44,842 Speaker 2: I heard that they, you know, there were like twice 598 00:26:44,852 --> 00:26:47,482 Speaker 2: the number of females that were actually in BMT. So 599 00:26:47,491 --> 00:26:50,910 Speaker 2: I think society itself is like accepting that the army 600 00:26:50,921 --> 00:26:54,371 Speaker 2: is a possible career for females. Yeah, of course, it 601 00:26:54,381 --> 00:26:56,212 Speaker 2: has always been, in my opinion, is 602 00:26:56,222 --> 00:26:57,732 Speaker 1: it too late for me to sign on 603 00:26:58,741 --> 00:26:59,251 Speaker 2: it? Too late? 604 00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:04,689 Speaker 1: But any career for like 10 years is a very 605 00:27:04,699 --> 00:27:07,599 Speaker 1: long time. Like it's a long service award type of situation. 606 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:10,458 Speaker 1: Most people, most people our age stay in careers for like, what, 607 00:27:10,469 --> 00:27:13,989 Speaker 1: two years, then it change three years, job. So 10 608 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: years is, you know, it's a big part of your life. 609 00:27:16,449 --> 00:27:19,300 Speaker 1: What do you think was the biggest motivator in you 610 00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:20,410 Speaker 1: staying this long? 611 00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:22,170 Speaker 2: Ok. So I, I don't like to do the same 612 00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:23,929 Speaker 2: thing for, like, the rest of my life. Right. So, 613 00:27:23,939 --> 00:27:26,619 Speaker 2: which is why, like, I like that. How every 23 614 00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:28,260 Speaker 2: years we change something 615 00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:31,169 Speaker 2: and, but every 23 years that I change and do 616 00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:35,020 Speaker 2: something different, it's always been very meaningful in different ways. So, 617 00:27:35,030 --> 00:27:38,270 Speaker 2: uh previously, when I was a tenant signal officer, my 618 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,410 Speaker 2: job was deal with the signal platoon, take care of 619 00:27:41,420 --> 00:27:44,739 Speaker 2: maybe about 40 guys that are in for their ns, right? 620 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,390 Speaker 2: And my job was to make sure that, you know, 621 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,489 Speaker 2: these two years that they have here are meaningful. They 622 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:53,270 Speaker 2: don't waste their time here then. Whereas now, you know, 623 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: I'm doing something a bit more future looking, right? I 624 00:27:56,290 --> 00:28:00,169 Speaker 2: get to impact how the army will look like in 625 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:03,489 Speaker 2: the future and then how we're going to move towards there. Yeah. So, 626 00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: so I think being able to do something that is 627 00:28:06,170 --> 00:28:10,689 Speaker 2: very meaningful is, has what kept me here for like 628 00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:11,849 Speaker 2: the past 10 years. 629 00:28:11,989 --> 00:28:13,149 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. Sign me up. 630 00:28:14,410 --> 00:28:15,500 Speaker 1: That sounds great. 631 00:28:15,869 --> 00:28:18,609 Speaker 2: So here's a very honest question. How long more do 632 00:28:18,619 --> 00:28:21,099 Speaker 2: you intend to stay in the army? I think I 633 00:28:21,109 --> 00:28:24,020 Speaker 2: will stay as long as I find that my personal 634 00:28:24,030 --> 00:28:27,099 Speaker 2: values are aligned to the organizational values. Yeah. And I 635 00:28:27,109 --> 00:28:30,060 Speaker 2: enjoy what I'm doing that. Yeah, probably that I will 636 00:28:30,069 --> 00:28:30,780 Speaker 2: stay for as long as 637 00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:34,650 Speaker 1: that's so nice. I think hearing, you know, you speak 638 00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: about the job and how much you enjoy it, how 639 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:38,199 Speaker 1: much you feel like 640 00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:41,150 Speaker 1: you're contributing as much as it's contributing to your own 641 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: personal growth as well. I think it's great because like 642 00:28:43,410 --> 00:28:45,729 Speaker 1: we always say, we're very lucky that we are one 643 00:28:45,739 --> 00:28:47,449 Speaker 1: of those who, you know, don't have to drag our 644 00:28:47,459 --> 00:28:49,540 Speaker 1: feet to work every day that we can do something 645 00:28:49,550 --> 00:28:52,180 Speaker 1: you like. And that's what we see in you. 646 00:28:52,579 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: So for people like us, what are some ways we 647 00:28:55,290 --> 00:28:58,030 Speaker 2: can contribute to the nation or like the military defense 648 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: without having to serve in the army? 649 00:29:01,020 --> 00:29:03,150 Speaker 2: Ok. I mean, there must be some way. Right. Yeah. Um, 650 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,989 Speaker 2: definitely there. Well, there's the, the saf volunteer call, right. Yeah. So, 651 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,510 Speaker 2: so the call, I think it's for open to all 652 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,319 Speaker 2: females or Singapore females or pr S as well. And 653 00:29:16,329 --> 00:29:20,229 Speaker 2: there have been, I think instances where mothers uh sign on, 654 00:29:20,239 --> 00:29:22,180 Speaker 2: I mean, not sign on, but they kind of join 655 00:29:22,189 --> 00:29:22,989 Speaker 2: this program 656 00:29:23,369 --> 00:29:25,579 Speaker 2: and they go through basic training. So they will understand 657 00:29:25,589 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: how their sons will feel when they go into the office. 658 00:29:28,709 --> 00:29:31,459 Speaker 2: That's one way you can, you can actually experience the 659 00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:34,869 Speaker 2: military life without really joining us full time. But I 660 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,099 Speaker 2: think other ways is really supporting like your guy friends 661 00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:41,300 Speaker 2: or your partners, especially, you know, if they are in 662 00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:42,579 Speaker 2: the face of their lives where they have to spend 663 00:29:42,589 --> 00:29:44,579 Speaker 2: two years or when they have to go back for reserve. 664 00:29:45,743 --> 00:29:49,192 Speaker 2: Yeah, then sometimes, you know, giving them that space to 665 00:29:49,203 --> 00:29:53,422 Speaker 2: go back for training properly, you know, without having to 666 00:29:53,432 --> 00:29:55,682 Speaker 2: think about issues at home. I think that will be 667 00:29:55,692 --> 00:29:58,463 Speaker 2: very helpful to them. Absolutely. Giving them the mental 668 00:29:58,473 --> 00:30:01,593 Speaker 1: capacity, the support that they need. And even apart from 669 00:30:01,603 --> 00:30:04,142 Speaker 1: the SAF, you've got the S CD F as well 670 00:30:04,152 --> 00:30:05,932 Speaker 1: as the SPF Singapore police 671 00:30:06,375 --> 00:30:08,816 Speaker 1: that you can consider as well. I think um what 672 00:30:08,826 --> 00:30:11,456 Speaker 1: would you want to say to, you know, maybe girls 673 00:30:11,465 --> 00:30:14,485 Speaker 1: out there or women who have thought about serving the 674 00:30:14,495 --> 00:30:16,926 Speaker 1: nation in one way or another are just hesitant to 675 00:30:16,936 --> 00:30:19,395 Speaker 1: do it just because of the stigma or how they 676 00:30:19,406 --> 00:30:20,895 Speaker 1: think people will perceive them. I 677 00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:24,235 Speaker 2: don't think you're perceived any differently, you know, from, or 678 00:30:24,245 --> 00:30:26,696 Speaker 2: perceived in a negative manner just because, you know, you are. 679 00:30:27,569 --> 00:30:30,780 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people always find it very fascinating why 680 00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: females sign on. Right. So I think it's something that 681 00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:36,219 Speaker 2: you are considering and you want to do. Just do 682 00:30:36,229 --> 00:30:37,930 Speaker 2: it and try it for yourself to see whether it 683 00:30:37,939 --> 00:30:38,739 Speaker 2: really suits you. 684 00:30:38,979 --> 00:30:40,550 Speaker 2: You know, if you try it and you don't like it, 685 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,459 Speaker 2: you can always leave, you're not forced to stay. Yeah. 686 00:30:43,469 --> 00:30:47,189 Speaker 2: So just try it out. Are there any like fairs 687 00:30:47,199 --> 00:30:50,380 Speaker 2: happening of late that can help women understand this a 688 00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:53,780 Speaker 2: bit better. Yeah, I mean, we constantly have recruitment fairs. 689 00:30:53,790 --> 00:30:56,609 Speaker 2: So I think annually we move about 23 recruitment fairs 690 00:30:56,619 --> 00:30:59,489 Speaker 2: are held in June. There will be one as well. 691 00:30:59,910 --> 00:31:04,380 Speaker 1: Yes, on the 24th of June. Yeah, army career recruitment fair. 692 00:31:04,390 --> 00:31:06,390 Speaker 1: What do they do at these fairs? Like you learn 693 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,780 Speaker 1: more about the army or? 694 00:31:07,790 --> 00:31:12,579 Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, I think every formation sets up a booth. Yeah. 695 00:31:12,589 --> 00:31:15,380 Speaker 2: And I mean, formation, basically you are a group of people. 696 00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:19,189 Speaker 2: I would say you are a department that specializes in something. Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. So, 697 00:31:19,199 --> 00:31:20,079 Speaker 2: like I'm in signal formation, 698 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,890 Speaker 2: right? Then we specialize in communications. Ah, yeah. Ok. Yeah. So, 699 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:25,910 Speaker 2: you know, if you are in the armored formation, then 700 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,810 Speaker 2: you specialize in armored vehicles like tanks. Yeah. Yeah. So 701 00:31:29,819 --> 00:31:32,488 Speaker 2: every formation will set up, set up their booths and 702 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:35,530 Speaker 2: you actually get to talk to ambassadors from every formation 703 00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:37,119 Speaker 2: and find out more about what they do. Would there 704 00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:43,469 Speaker 2: be any physical test? That's how many push ups in, in? No. 705 00:31:43,479 --> 00:31:46,930 Speaker 2: But I, I think, I mean, if you, uh, you 706 00:31:46,939 --> 00:31:48,329 Speaker 2: want to sign on and 707 00:31:48,579 --> 00:31:52,030 Speaker 2: the physical aspect is daunting. There's also, I think programs 708 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,130 Speaker 2: now that the army has rolled out for you to 709 00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: prepare yourself physically, like they have regular PT sessions that 710 00:31:57,770 --> 00:32:00,589 Speaker 2: you can join. Yeah, before you sign on. But 711 00:32:00,890 --> 00:32:05,079 Speaker 2: I think that the army is very progressive. So even 712 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:07,699 Speaker 2: when you go in and then you join from the start, 713 00:32:07,709 --> 00:32:10,579 Speaker 2: you know, you are not forced to uphold like a 714 00:32:10,589 --> 00:32:13,050 Speaker 2: certain standard. They, they know that it takes time to 715 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: get there. Yeah. So there's a lot of training that's 716 00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:17,829 Speaker 2: tailored progressively for you to do that. It's like a school. Yes. 717 00:32:17,969 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: Yes, it is. Yeah. So 718 00:32:19,699 --> 00:32:23,479 Speaker 1: you actually, are there physical requirements for anybody who wants 719 00:32:23,489 --> 00:32:25,380 Speaker 1: to sign on? Like, you know, do they put you 720 00:32:25,390 --> 00:32:26,449 Speaker 1: through a test are 721 00:32:27,050 --> 00:32:29,900 Speaker 2: the only um test that I had to take uh 722 00:32:29,910 --> 00:32:32,589 Speaker 2: physically was IP PT before I signed on. 723 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:34,410 Speaker 1: So how many push-ups can you do 724 00:32:34,729 --> 00:32:36,839 Speaker 2: in one minute? I think in a minute, like the 725 00:32:36,849 --> 00:32:38,430 Speaker 2: standard is 50 726 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,140 Speaker 2: possible. The standard is 50 for 4 50 for like 727 00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:48,989 Speaker 2: standard push off the ground. So for female IP the 728 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,839 Speaker 2: need on the ground. So yeah, but I usually train 729 00:32:51,849 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: the guy on. So then it's just easier to do. 730 00:32:53,699 --> 00:32:53,750 Speaker 2: So 731 00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:54,510 Speaker 1: you can do 50 732 00:32:55,594 --> 00:32:58,885 Speaker 1: knees off the ground in a minute. Is it like 733 00:32:58,905 --> 00:32:59,305 Speaker 1: very easy? 734 00:32:59,895 --> 00:33:01,484 Speaker 2: Of course I can, she was 735 00:33:01,574 --> 00:33:04,574 Speaker 1: like one per second I think for her it's like 736 00:33:04,584 --> 00:33:06,334 Speaker 1: a walk in the park. Yeah, we 737 00:33:06,344 --> 00:33:07,744 Speaker 2: combine, don't even know. 738 00:33:11,069 --> 00:33:12,890 Speaker 1: Well, you know what? I really hope that there will 739 00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:15,180 Speaker 1: be a lot more young girls that visit this army 740 00:33:15,189 --> 00:33:18,859 Speaker 1: career recruitment fair or, you know, people just considering to 741 00:33:18,869 --> 00:33:21,839 Speaker 1: sign on as a soldier, you know, right last 742 00:33:21,849 --> 00:33:23,349 Speaker 2: but not least is there a platform that they can 743 00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:25,900 Speaker 2: reach out to. Yeah. Actually, you can just search on 744 00:33:25,910 --> 00:33:29,869 Speaker 2: any browsing site. Um Just search for Singapore army careers. Yeah. 745 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,540 Speaker 2: And it just leads you to the, I think the 746 00:33:31,550 --> 00:33:34,380 Speaker 2: top search would be them in that web page. I'm sure. Yeah, 747 00:33:35,979 --> 00:33:38,900 Speaker 2: I have learned so much in like one sitting with 748 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,410 Speaker 2: Jing Hui. Thank you so much for sharing your journey 749 00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: over the past nine years with us. Thank you. 750 00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:46,790 Speaker 1: You're 751 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: my hero with that. Thank you so much for tuning 752 00:33:49,689 --> 00:33:53,709 Speaker 2: in to this episode of Clav podcast. Don't forget to 753 00:33:53,719 --> 00:33:55,750 Speaker 2: follow us on Instagram at its clarity dot 754 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,910 Speaker 1: com. That's right. You can listen to us on Spotify 755 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,380 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast as well as me. Listen, send on the notifications, 756 00:34:01,390 --> 00:34:05,349 Speaker 1: also go and check out saf for careers and check 757 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,060 Speaker 1: us out on youtube in this episode. Um And make 758 00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: sure you look at our camel pants that we decided 759 00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: to just Yeah, Captain has the real Camel pans. Hey, 760 00:34:13,850 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 1: I was just the big one. 761 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,969 Speaker 1: I'm Hazel. I'm a zero. I'm Jemaine and thank you 762 00:34:18,979 --> 00:34:22,820 Speaker 1: to Captain teaching. Wait, thank you so much. We'll see 763 00:34:22,870 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: you next time. Bye.