WEBVTT - “I’m terribly worried”: UN chief on warming temperatures in Southeast Asia

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to AC N A podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Antonio Guterres, the world's top diplomat. If you follow the

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<v Speaker 1>news closely, you'll have heard his words on the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>issues and crises facing the planet and when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to climate change, he's the harbinger of all types of

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<v Speaker 1>worldly doom. Hello and welcome to climate conversations. I'm Jack Board.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Bangkok. Hi to Li Ling Tan

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<v Speaker 1>CN A's very own harbinger of climate catastrophe. How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Jack. I'm excellent. Thank you. Considering we're all going

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<v Speaker 1>to bake boil and burn in a matter of time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing pretty well. Well, that's what you're here for,

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<v Speaker 1>bringing us all types of bad news. But no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get to the interview that you did with

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<v Speaker 1>Antonio Guterres kind of take us behind the scenes a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to have him exclusively on our podcast. How did

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<v Speaker 1>you find him? What was he like? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he might be the world's diplomat, but he's really a

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<v Speaker 1>humanitarian at heart and sometimes he can be an angry humanitarian.

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<v Speaker 1>He can be clear about what is needed and how

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<v Speaker 1>the world may have fallen short of resolving conflicts or

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<v Speaker 1>addressing climate change. For example, he can bristle over fossil

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<v Speaker 1>fuels get angry at injustices, especially when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable populations.

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<v Speaker 1>He can also express displeasure consternation even I've seen him

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<v Speaker 1>do this over uh protracted conflicts and quarrels between nations

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<v Speaker 1>like some of the superpowers. But behind the scenes, he

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<v Speaker 1>is soft spoken and actually very thoughtful. I've interviewed him

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<v Speaker 1>several times and he was always, always very aware of

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<v Speaker 1>who the people around him were. He always remembers to shake,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, with the TV crew. And that's what he

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<v Speaker 1>did this time as well. He takes notice and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is telling and, and it's what really defines

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<v Speaker 1>his leadership style. What about you, Jack? What's your take

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<v Speaker 1>on him? Uh Obviously, I've seen him from afar have

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<v Speaker 1>examined his speeches on many occasions. The only time we

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<v Speaker 1>were really in close quarters was at a restaurant actually

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<v Speaker 1>in Egypt when

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<v Speaker 1>co was in Sharm, El Sheikh and a friend and I,

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<v Speaker 1>a fellow journalist and I were just having a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a private dinner. And then in, he came this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of outdoor restaurant by the sea with his whole entourage.

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<v Speaker 1>And they all kind of just nervously looked around at

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<v Speaker 1>us and we just kind of carried on our meal,

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<v Speaker 1>but hardly a claim to fame when we have him

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast today. So that's exciting. It was quite

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<v Speaker 1>an exciting exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>So speaking of exciting exchanges, it's quiz time, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it is Antonio Guterres themed naturally. Let's see how good

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<v Speaker 1>your interview research was, which of the following quotes is

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<v Speaker 1>not attributed to Antonio Guterres. We know that his speeches

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty famous. They're pretty fiery. So tell me which

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<v Speaker 1>one of these he did not say

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<v Speaker 1>a humanity has opened the gates of hell. Sounds the

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<v Speaker 1>fairy lord of the Rings. Ish

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<v Speaker 1>B we are not only in danger, we are the

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<v Speaker 1>danger

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<v Speaker 1>c the climate crisis is the greatest challenge humanity has

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<v Speaker 1>ever faced. And d we are on the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>the abyss and only urgent action can save us from

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<v Speaker 1>a climate catastrophe. Oh, wow. All of these sounds really familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>One of one of those made up. They all sound

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<v Speaker 1>like him though. It's not as easy as it appears.

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<v Speaker 1>All right answer will be at the end of the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>OK. News time, a link in between you're running around

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing VIP s what's taken your attention? OK. So first up,

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<v Speaker 1>China apparently has cut its air pollution by 41% over

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<v Speaker 1>the decade until 2022. Yay. And in so doing the

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<v Speaker 1>average citizen there can live two years longer.

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<v Speaker 1>So according to a Bloomberg article which cited a study

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<v Speaker 1>by the University of Chicago, it's largely a result of

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese government's national Air Quality action plan. That's basically

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<v Speaker 1>a policy that followed some really bad smock situation back

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<v Speaker 1>in 2013. I think you might remember this, Jack now

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<v Speaker 1>the policy included steps to

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the number of cars on the road, cut steel production, there,

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<v Speaker 1>ban coal fired power plants in some key urban areas

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<v Speaker 1>and also to invest in more renewables. But the article

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<v Speaker 1>also points out that despite this progress, China's pollution levels

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<v Speaker 1>are still 5 to 6 times higher than the World

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<v Speaker 1>Health Organization's guidelines.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is still a long way to go. And

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<v Speaker 1>the goal for China now is to cut smog in

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<v Speaker 1>major cities by 10% from 2020 levels by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of 2025. Pretty striking. I think the outcomes here of

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<v Speaker 1>this report, but two years longer life expectancy for the

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<v Speaker 1>average person. And that really seems like

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<v Speaker 1>something that's worth striving for and just strikes me that

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<v Speaker 1>air pollution has such an impact on everybody's lives that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, kudos for China for really making a big

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<v Speaker 1>effort in this space, but shows how much work they

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<v Speaker 1>really had to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's clear there's a lot more to do as well. Yeah, absolutely. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of pollution, generally, it's also having an impact on

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<v Speaker 1>a population that's closer to home. That's right. The orang

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<v Speaker 1>laut people of the sea who called the Malacca Strait

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<v Speaker 1>and waters of Eastern Sumatra home CNAs navel radar did

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<v Speaker 1>a story about how their way of life has been

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<v Speaker 1>at risk and he profiles the orang laut of Batam

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<v Speaker 1>who are now seeing their lives and livelihoods on the

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<v Speaker 1>line

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not just due to pollution but also competition

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<v Speaker 1>for fish and the effects of climate change, which is

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<v Speaker 1>making the sea angrier, making the waves bigger and making

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<v Speaker 1>winds much stronger as well. And this hostile environment means

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<v Speaker 1>they increasingly have to leave the ocean to find work

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<v Speaker 1>on land

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<v Speaker 1>and without formal education, many of them end up scavenging

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<v Speaker 1>and picking trash just to get by. So instead of

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<v Speaker 1>living on boats as their people have for centuries, most

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<v Speaker 1>of them now live in still houses along the coast

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<v Speaker 1>and on small islands. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>glimpse of what climate change is doing to yet another

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable group of people, even if they had little or

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<v Speaker 1>no part to play in the enormous amount of greenhouse

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<v Speaker 1>gas emissions that the world is coughing out. Yeah, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>encourage you to, to have a read of it or

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<v Speaker 1>watch it on youtube and part of this trend that

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>right throughout coastal areas of sea or formerly sea dwelling

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<v Speaker 1>communities that now being forced to upend the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they've traditionally lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Ok. Let's go to our main story this week.

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<v Speaker 1>In 2017, the former Prime Minister of Portugal Antonio Guterres

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<v Speaker 1>ascended to the un's top job since then, for all

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<v Speaker 1>of us following the biggest stories on the news agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>His words, emphasizing the gravity and urgency of issues have

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<v Speaker 1>been a mainstay and climate change has been a key

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<v Speaker 1>focus for him

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<v Speaker 1>before coming to Asia. He made a stop in the

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific region for the first time in about five years

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<v Speaker 1>visiting Tonga and making some characteristically strong remarks about sea

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<v Speaker 1>level rise. In particular. I wrote an analysis piece that

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<v Speaker 1>you can read at CN A about the significance of

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<v Speaker 1>that trip and his call for an S OS or

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<v Speaker 1>save our seas. And why sea level rise is a

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<v Speaker 1>particular policy area of attention for both him and regional leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that coincided as well with a new report about

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<v Speaker 1>the threat of melting ice, how it will impact low

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<v Speaker 1>lying megacities and something that all of us should pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to. Then he was in Singapore, Li Ling. Why

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<v Speaker 1>was he here? What was on his agenda?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was part of his whole Asia visit.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned he visited Tonga, he was also in Samoa

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<v Speaker 1>um in the Pacific. And then he headed here in

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<v Speaker 1>his first official visit as Un Secretary General to meet

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<v Speaker 1>with government officials here in Singapore. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said earlier, a big priority area was to

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<v Speaker 1>draw global attention to the impact that climate change is

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<v Speaker 1>having on communities here, not just rising sea levels on

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific, but the warming conditions in Asia as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was largely the theme of our conversation in

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<v Speaker 1>this interview. Yeah, I think it's clear that Guterres is

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<v Speaker 1>really on a supercharged tour right now and designed to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up energy, political dialogue,

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<v Speaker 1>climate space and build momentum towards cop 29 in Azerbaijan

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<v Speaker 1>later in November. And as well, the the G 20

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<v Speaker 1>summit is happening in the same month. That's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's when of course the world's largest economies meet. So

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<v Speaker 1>we can expect a lot more calls to action to

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<v Speaker 1>phase out fossil fuels, cough up climate financing that's been

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<v Speaker 1>promised but largely unsured more commitments and follow throughs, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to helping

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<v Speaker 1>developing nations fight climate change and adapt to its impacts.

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<v Speaker 1>I started off my conversation, my interview with the Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>General by talking about how we're all feeling the heat

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<v Speaker 1>here in Asia. In Singapore alone, daily temperatures are projected

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<v Speaker 1>to

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<v Speaker 1>degrees by up to five °C by the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the century. And Jack, you and I have talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before Asia is warming at a faster rate than

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<v Speaker 1>the global average. So I asked him how worried he

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<v Speaker 1>was about what all of this will do to countries

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<v Speaker 1>in Southeast Asia.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm terribly worried but we need to avoid that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to make sure that temperatures do not rise

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<v Speaker 2>more than 1.5 degrees until the end of the century

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<v Speaker 2>in relation to historic values.

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<v Speaker 2>And that means that we need to reverse the present

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<v Speaker 2>trends in which emissions are still growing. And we need

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<v Speaker 2>to ask countries especially the G 20 countries, the great polluters, 80%

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<v Speaker 2>of the greenhouse gasses come from the G 21 must

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<v Speaker 2>take the G 20 countries developed countries, emerging economies that

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to start drastically reducing the emissions. It's time

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<v Speaker 2>to start the process to face

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<v Speaker 2>fossil fuels. And it's time to understand that we need

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<v Speaker 2>to rescue our planet and that the only way to

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<v Speaker 2>rescue our planet is exactly to avoid the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you are describing. If temperatures rise 234 degrees, we will

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<v Speaker 2>witness the destruction of large parts of human life conditions

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<v Speaker 2>in different areas of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>You've

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<v Speaker 1>already visited Saba and Tonga. What did you hear and

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<v Speaker 1>see that

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<v Speaker 1>you were most alarmed by, in terms of the impact

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<v Speaker 1>from rising sea levels,

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<v Speaker 2>sea

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<v Speaker 2>level rise is first of all at double than what

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<v Speaker 2>it was in the nineties. And it's accelerating. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the rate of increase is unprecedented in the last 3000

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<v Speaker 2>years

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<v Speaker 2>and that I may use that we are coming close

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<v Speaker 2>to a tipping point where it can accelerate much more.

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<v Speaker 2>If for instance, we would have the two degrees limit,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be inevitable to have the

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<v Speaker 2>long term melting of Greenland and the long term melting

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<v Speaker 2>of West Antarctica. But an immediate acceleration of the melting

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<v Speaker 2>of these two gigantic ice masses, which would mean a

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<v Speaker 2>dramatic acceleration of the rise of the sea level. And

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<v Speaker 2>the consequences for coastal areas would be devastating, devastating for

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacific Islands where I was

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<v Speaker 2>but devastating for many of the big cities in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>The majority of the population of the world is by

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<v Speaker 2>the sea cities like Shanghai, Lagos, Bangkok, New York, New York.

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<v Speaker 2>All these cities are threatened if we do not avoid

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<v Speaker 2>those tipping points. And if you do not avoid a

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<v Speaker 2>dramatic acceleration,

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<v Speaker 2>sea level rise in the next few years and decades

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<v Speaker 1>in Tonga, you issued a global sos on the rising

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<v Speaker 1>sea levels in the Pacific, who do you hope will

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<v Speaker 1>answer your call or who should answer your? So

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<v Speaker 2>the big emitters, as I said, those that are dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>impacting on climate, the fossil fuel

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<v Speaker 2>companies, many of them, but above all the countries themselves

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<v Speaker 2>that needs to have plans and projects to reduce emissions

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<v Speaker 2>to put a price on carbon to, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>have plans to phase out fossil fuels to avoid deforestation,

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<v Speaker 2>to guarantee an adequate use of land. There are so

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<v Speaker 2>many things to decarbonise the industry, the transportation,

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<v Speaker 2>many other sectors. I mean, everything that needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>done in order to make sure that we stop the

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<v Speaker 2>present growth of emissions and we drastically reverse it,

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<v Speaker 1>right? But this message that it's time to phase out

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<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels, it's time to take more climate action, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not new. And you've used some pretty dramatic language to

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<v Speaker 1>try and galvanize deeper climate action, right? You said that

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<v Speaker 1>we

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<v Speaker 1>need an exit ramp of the highway to climate. Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>you said we've gone from global warming to global boiling.

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<v Speaker 1>Have any of these warnings garnered the kind of real

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<v Speaker 1>change that you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we are seeing a lot of changes, we are

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<v Speaker 2>seeing not enough change, but we are seeing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of changes. Look at the huge increase in renewable energy

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<v Speaker 2>that we are witnessing the biggest increase ever in any

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<v Speaker 2>form of energy, especially in the production of electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at electric cars, I mean in China now one

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<v Speaker 2>in each two electric cars that are sold, one of

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<v Speaker 2>each two cars that are sold is electric. Look how

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<v Speaker 2>science is evolving so quickly. So the question is not

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<v Speaker 2>the instrument

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<v Speaker 2>available. Science available. The question is political will, the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing we need is the political will that is needed

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<v Speaker 2>to use the instruments. We already have to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that we reverse the present trends to use those expressions

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<v Speaker 2>that you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>that would lead to hell on

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<v Speaker 2>earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I want to ask you a question about the

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<v Speaker 1>Association of Southeast Asian Nations. You have called on ASEAN

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<v Speaker 1>to help end the global climate gridlock saying it's a moral,

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<v Speaker 1>its moral authority to do. So,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you mean by that? Especially given how this

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<v Speaker 1>region faces its own climate, dangers and its own challenges

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<v Speaker 1>in decarbonizing

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the areas that will be more dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>impacted by climate change. And it's not an area that

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<v Speaker 2>is contributing decisively to climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>So as an area that is suffering more than many others,

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<v Speaker 2>because of the impacts of climate change and we will

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<v Speaker 2>suffer even more if things go on as they are.

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<v Speaker 2>This region has a huge moral authority to tell the

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<v Speaker 2>polluters stop.

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<v Speaker 1>OK. One last short question, what can a small country

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<v Speaker 1>like Singapore do

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<v Speaker 1>to be a bigger part of the solution? You met

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<v Speaker 1>with some of the government officials during this trip? How

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<v Speaker 1>can Singapore play a bigger part?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Singapore plays an extremely important role in the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 2>Singapore is one of the most active countries in the

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<v Speaker 2>United Nations. Singapore was decisive in the reforms that we

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<v Speaker 2>have been able to introduce. Singapore is decisive in our

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<v Speaker 2>climate campaign. Singapore is decided in the preparation of the

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<v Speaker 2>summit of the future in relation to the governance of

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<v Speaker 2>Artificial Intelligence in relation to the reform of international financial

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<v Speaker 2>architecture in relation to a new agenda for peace. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Singapore has been in the front line of the voice

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<v Speaker 2>of reason

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<v Speaker 2>and um Singapore presides the forum of small states. And

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<v Speaker 2>based on that, Singapore has been able to mobilize the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of the countries, small states, but each country, one vote,

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of the countries of the United Nations in

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<v Speaker 2>order to make the United Nations a strong instrument to

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<v Speaker 2>protect the planet and to create more equity and justice

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<v Speaker 2>in the relations among countries and among people.

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<v Speaker 1>OK, quiz time questions and options again for you. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want all the options again? I think we should

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<v Speaker 1>go through this, which of the following quotes is not

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<v Speaker 1>attributed to Antonio Guterres. A humanity has opened the gates

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<v Speaker 1>of hell. This one I know, I think he said

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<v Speaker 1>it uh last September at the Climate Action Summit. I'm 65%

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<v Speaker 1>sure of it. It sounds very familiar. That's not that sure. OK.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. B

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<v Speaker 1>we are not only in danger, we are the danger.

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<v Speaker 1>This, he definitely said, I remember reading this just last week.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole quote is even more dramatic. Let me pull

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<v Speaker 1>it up for you just a second. In the case

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<v Speaker 1>of climate, we are not the dinosaurs, we are the meteor,

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<v Speaker 1>we are not only in danger, we are the danger,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are also the solution. OK? See the climate

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<v Speaker 1>crisis is the greatest challenge humanity has ever faced.

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<v Speaker 1>OK? It sounds like him and I would go for

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<v Speaker 1>this if not for the next quote, which I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sure. He also said. So d we are on

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<v Speaker 1>the edge of the abyss and only urgent action can

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<v Speaker 1>save us from a climate catastrophe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can hear him say the

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<v Speaker 1>word abyss in my head. I'm pretty sure I said

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<v Speaker 1>that but I mean, I'm pretty sure I heard that

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<v Speaker 1>but ok, so definitely a definitely b because I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>about those two climate crisis is the greatest challenge humanity

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<v Speaker 1>has ever faced. That's like a fact anybody could have

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<v Speaker 1>said that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ok, I'm gonna go with a B and D.

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<v Speaker 1>You got it correct. CC dragged directly from the UN website.

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<v Speaker 1>Just not anybody. Yeah, it's just from the UN website.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not from him. So you, you speak the language

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<v Speaker 1>of uh Antonio Guterres

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<v Speaker 1>or his speechwriters. But, yeah. All right. That's it for

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<v Speaker 1>climate conversations. Thanks as always for joining us. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back next week with fresh air and he means episode

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<v Speaker 1>and until next week, I'm Li Ling Tan and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Boy. Thanks as always to the team that put

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<v Speaker 1>together this episode, Tiffany Janni, Jahari, Kristina Robert and Sai.