WEBVTT - S2 Episode 4: Jack & Rai 0:00:06.019 --> 0:00:06.170 The 0:00:06.170 --> 0:00:08.150 Mutton Sandwich podcast. 0:00:09.289 --> 0:00:12.350 All right, welcome to the Mutton Sandwich podcast, we're back, 0:00:12.350 --> 0:00:15.050 and this is a little show that we actually put 0:00:15.050 --> 0:00:18.290 together as an excuse to catch up with our famous friends. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.410 That's right. An excuse was the name drop as well. 0:00:21.530 --> 0:00:25.220 Oh yes. You know, sometimes being friends or being associated 0:00:25.220 --> 0:00:27.170 with the people that we don't do. Yeah. Kind of 0:00:27.170 --> 0:00:28.970 puts it in a good step. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:30.680 That's right. I mean, after all these years, we did 0:00:30.860 --> 0:00:33.560 make some famous friends. Yeah. You know, these are two 0:00:33.590 --> 0:00:37.120 guys we love name dropping because we're very alike in 0:00:37.130 --> 0:00:40.990 a sense that we're both. We're we're both partnerships. In fact, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.240 welcome to the very first double decker mutton sandwich, but 0:00:44.270 --> 0:00:44.660 that's 0:00:44.659 --> 0:00:46.490 why it's a double decker. It's it's almost like a 0:00:46.490 --> 0:00:49.970 Big Mac, because we're talking to none other than Jack 0:00:49.970 --> 0:00:56.450 and Ray. Say, Oh, man, it's nice to catch up 0:00:56.450 --> 0:00:59.900 with you guys. You know, we haven't seen you guys 0:00:59.900 --> 0:01:02.750 physically for quite a while. It's been a while and 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.179 you know, everyone you know, is the reason for that. 0:01:05.330 --> 0:01:08.809 Although though you and Ray for a number of years 0:01:08.810 --> 0:01:09.590 were neighbors. 0:01:10.090 --> 0:01:11.720 Hmm. Right. That's right me. 0:01:12.590 --> 0:01:14.149 He moved in first. 0:01:14.180 --> 0:01:14.870 Me like, 0:01:15.630 --> 0:01:15.929 Yeah, 0:01:17.150 --> 0:01:17.510 yeah. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.449 I remember Ray texted me one day of the blue 0:01:21.350 --> 0:01:25.490 randomly and says, Hey, I'm checking out this new place 0:01:25.490 --> 0:01:29.390 and my my property agent is name dropping that you 0:01:29.390 --> 0:01:32.410 live here and he's doing this. I mean it place 0:01:32.420 --> 0:01:35.000 because I have a I'll have a celebrity neighbor. I'm like, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:36.770 Oh my gosh, you collect commission for that. 0:01:36.770 --> 0:01:40.190 So your property generally has been going around selling this 0:01:40.190 --> 0:01:43.279 property with like this one and stays here, you know, 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.160 and that's how he sells the units. 0:01:46.730 --> 0:01:48.950 I think so. And you know, what's the funny part 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.830 after I moved in and I think I kind of 0:01:51.830 --> 0:01:54.800 violated a rule of two by filming here without permission 0:01:57.670 --> 0:02:00.650 for talking point on Channel five? Oh yeah. So, you know, 0:02:00.650 --> 0:02:03.300 I think that kind of makes our, our condominium, you know, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:04.630 pretty special. I know 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:05.870 that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:02:06.300 --> 0:02:08.900 But I didn't recently moved out. So did you feel 0:02:08.900 --> 0:02:12.200 this sense of emptiness, loss loss here? 0:02:12.260 --> 0:02:13.299 I wonder the value and. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:19.880 I don't know. But I haven't seen 0:02:19.910 --> 0:02:22.820 appreciating for a while. Sounds like. Mm hmm. Something must 0:02:22.820 --> 0:02:24.080 have happened and flint and moved up. 0:02:26.630 --> 0:02:29.150 Oh my goodness. That's why we're friends. Are we? We 0:02:29.150 --> 0:02:30.380 still each other's egos. 0:02:30.870 --> 0:02:36.500 Yo yo la tengo you say eagles, eagles. Thank God, 0:02:37.010 --> 0:02:38.989 did y'all run into each other a lot? 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.510 Couple of times. Yeah, you know, they have a very 0:02:41.510 --> 0:02:45.450 strange for for a very small condominium complex. Yeah, we 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.930 we we barely only down, I think, because we keep 0:02:47.930 --> 0:02:51.260 very different times. Yeah. Yeah, because Ray, I mean, correct 0:02:51.260 --> 0:02:53.360 me if I'm wrong, but you always outperform me at 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.210 night and evenings and all that, and I'm usually at home. 0:02:56.419 --> 0:02:58.160 And then I wake up early in the morning to 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.030 go to work and you're probably sleeping at home. 0:03:01.820 --> 0:03:03.410 Yeah. So I think I only bum to you once 0:03:03.410 --> 0:03:05.290 I think you were driving back from work. Yeah, and 0:03:05.300 --> 0:03:06.590 you just passed by in the car, you look. 0:03:06.830 --> 0:03:10.109 Yeah, they yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah, I never saw you 0:03:10.110 --> 0:03:13.130 at the Super Bowl, never saw you the letterbox. Let 0:03:13.130 --> 0:03:15.320 me you. You go to the pool. Oh yeah. Yeah, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.940 all of them. I trained with schooling. 0:03:22.790 --> 0:03:24.100 Yeah, yeah. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.620 Fantastic. So it's so good to have both you guys. Yeah, Jack. 0:03:29.630 --> 0:03:33.260 That's nice. Let's start with you, men. So I mean, 0:03:33.260 --> 0:03:35.690 I guess, you know, the most default question always goes 0:03:35.690 --> 0:03:38.900 back to the the the pandemic, right? So I mean, 0:03:39.140 --> 0:03:43.610 Jack and Ray, obviously, everybody knows you guys are kind 0:03:43.610 --> 0:03:45.360 of just how they know us, as well as a 0:03:45.380 --> 0:03:47.630 as a partnership. You almost never see Jack without re-entry, 0:03:47.630 --> 0:03:50.720 without Jack, you know? So, you know, when the pandemic 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.840 started and obviously all the gigging stopped and and all 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.900 that right, how how did it work for Fall for 0:03:56.900 --> 0:03:59.450 the Jack and rebrand when that happened? 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.390 Wow. I think that that's a good start. That's a 0:04:02.390 --> 0:04:05.000 good when it first happened. Me and Ray just stayed 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.440 at home in this panic panic and cried for one week. 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:10.440 Right, right. 0:04:11.210 --> 0:04:12.240 And that's one of the symptoms. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:14.120 Yeah. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.440 We just we just panicked, cried and then figured that, OK, 0:04:19.970 --> 0:04:21.620 the next thing we're going to have to do is 0:04:21.620 --> 0:04:24.740 to get used to the streaming thing, cooking everything up 0:04:24.740 --> 0:04:27.350 to a video and all that. So we actually spent, 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.510 I think, a good first month or two. I just 0:04:29.510 --> 0:04:33.500 literally plugging everything we have together, even up to the 0:04:33.500 --> 0:04:38.930 point of trying to jam with each other during CB online. 0:04:39.230 --> 0:04:41.750 While we we realize that we cannot, we can't do 0:04:41.750 --> 0:04:44.300 that because of the, you know, the streaming speeds. I 0:04:44.300 --> 0:04:44.720 still don't. 0:04:44.930 --> 0:04:45.560 Exactly. 0:04:46.250 --> 0:04:50.150 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, is insane. You don't even do crazy 0:04:50.150 --> 0:04:52.340 stuff like, you know, call each other the landline. I mean, 0:04:52.339 --> 0:04:54.320 just to save you. But it's so funny. So we 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.530 call you just like my brain is landline fast. Maybe 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.049 so we like each other. And then we tried to 0:05:00.050 --> 0:05:03.470 sing Happy Birthday together, and we realized Landline also got like, So, 0:05:03.470 --> 0:05:06.289 so and so we we we can't. We can't do anything. 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.020 And then after that, you know, we figured that we 0:05:09.020 --> 0:05:12.799 we create a Sunday night streaming show and we were 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.109 at home in our respective houses. And that's how we 0:05:15.110 --> 0:05:18.020 designed a living with jack and ratio to be somewhat 0:05:18.020 --> 0:05:20.599 like a like a talk show and a little bit 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.150 of music kind of format. So, you know, the initial 0:05:23.150 --> 0:05:26.030 part of TV and you know, the whole pandemic, that's 0:05:26.029 --> 0:05:27.590 kind of kind of what we spend the first few 0:05:27.589 --> 0:05:28.610 months while 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:29.680 I see Isaiah Washington 0:05:29.870 --> 0:05:33.500 talk about having to improvise, pivot and, you know, change 0:05:33.500 --> 0:05:35.810 the way you do things right, that is pretty crazy. 0:05:35.810 --> 0:05:40.820 But what about now? I mean, obviously, life performances still 0:05:40.940 --> 0:05:44.450 don't really happen. Where does it stand now in terms 0:05:44.450 --> 0:05:46.940 of the music scene and all that different from from 0:05:46.940 --> 0:05:47.570 your point of view? 0:05:48.050 --> 0:05:53.240 Well, you know, I think there have been a lot of. Initiatives, yeah, 0:05:53.510 --> 0:05:55.370 most people have been trying to come up with stuff. 0:05:56.089 --> 0:05:57.530 You know, we had the I think there are some 0:05:57.529 --> 0:06:00.860 grants going around as well to try and produce content using, 0:06:01.550 --> 0:06:05.390 you know, either live musicians or freelancers or self-employed guys. 0:06:05.660 --> 0:06:07.700 You know, and and this extends all the way, not 0:06:07.700 --> 0:06:11.630 just the performers, right, but also beck and crew, you know, soundman, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.400 audio engineers, cameramen, everyone. So. So I think these projects 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.520 are coming together slowly. I've got some, some on the 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.460 way as well. Mm-Hmm. But I think, you know, in 0:06:22.460 --> 0:06:25.010 the whole live music, I expect it still. I was 0:06:25.010 --> 0:06:27.110 just thinking about this that day, and I know Jack 0:06:27.110 --> 0:06:29.210 and I did a concert at the Star Gallery 0:06:29.660 --> 0:06:31.880 over the weekend. Oh, yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah, I 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.110 saw pictures on socials as well. Yeah, and I look 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:36.920 pretty happening, man. OK? Yeah. 0:06:36.980 --> 0:06:39.089 But I mean, it's a fun concert ticket it. You know, 0:06:39.089 --> 0:06:43.220 we we had about about 200 ish people dies and 0:06:43.220 --> 0:06:45.650 you know, it was great, you know? But the thing 0:06:45.650 --> 0:06:47.720 is and I went home and I kind of realized 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.609 this and I felt a little bit sad thinking about 0:06:49.610 --> 0:06:51.469 it because I realized that, you know, Jack and I 0:06:51.470 --> 0:06:53.330 used to do this like, you know, at the snap 0:06:53.330 --> 0:06:56.210 of a finger every week. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. They 0:06:56.210 --> 0:06:58.460 were performing for people, right? And now suddenly it's like 0:06:58.670 --> 0:07:02.420 it's become this privilege rarity that happens once in a 0:07:02.420 --> 0:07:05.270 while and people can go and watch you. And I'm like, OK, 0:07:05.750 --> 0:07:07.339 I don't know. It is good thing or a bad thing. 0:07:07.339 --> 0:07:09.080 You know, I thought of myself and I actually felt 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.450 sad because I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I used 0:07:11.450 --> 0:07:12.770 to just be able to go out and do that. 0:07:12.770 --> 0:07:13.310 And now I can't. 0:07:14.210 --> 0:07:16.510 I think it's it's kind of made us realize not that, 0:07:16.940 --> 0:07:19.130 you know, things for granted, like, you know, the things 0:07:19.130 --> 0:07:21.050 that you think you do everyday and all that, all 0:07:21.050 --> 0:07:23.180 of a sudden it gets taken away from you. Exactly. 0:07:23.210 --> 0:07:25.820 You just have to improvise and, you know, get used 0:07:25.820 --> 0:07:27.110 to the new normal. Yeah, I 0:07:27.110 --> 0:07:29.990 mean, case in point to do that is travel like 0:07:29.990 --> 0:07:32.850 we used to be able to have some people drive 0:07:32.870 --> 0:07:35.200 to J.B. for lunch and come back. Yeah, you know, 0:07:35.210 --> 0:07:38.540 but I'm betting that that feels like a lifetime ago already, 0:07:38.540 --> 0:07:39.890 you know, also and we're 0:07:39.890 --> 0:07:42.700 moving towards that new normal of, you know, let's let's 0:07:42.700 --> 0:07:46.400 slowly come back together and and try to get things 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:47.240 to what it was before. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:48.950 Fingers crossed. All 1:38 0:07:48.950 --> 0:07:51.680 of it. Now, you guys have been great. Like you said, 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.770 you know, not not so busy as you will before, 0:07:53.790 --> 0:07:56.330 not not performing every night. And that's also why no 0:07:56.330 --> 0:07:56.990 new album 0:08:01.430 --> 0:08:01.910 or more free 0:08:01.910 --> 0:08:02.980 time. Yeah, it's all free. 0:08:02.980 --> 0:08:06.860 You what you did sing a new song. 0:08:06.890 --> 0:08:09.739 We right? So we did write a new song that 0:08:09.740 --> 0:08:11.860 we play live and I'm like, Cool, 0:08:11.860 --> 0:08:15.230 cool, cool. Okay, now you need nine more to complete 0:08:15.230 --> 0:08:18.120 the album, exactly. 0:08:18.150 --> 0:08:18.830 But then God, as 0:08:20.330 --> 0:08:20.900 you do, 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.060 we we should. I mean, I think it was also 0:08:23.060 --> 0:08:25.380 a matter of what our focus was, you know? Yeah, sure. 0:08:25.670 --> 0:08:27.920 And like Jack mentioned, we're doing the livestream now and 0:08:28.130 --> 0:08:29.989 we realized that a livestream show, actually, there's a lot 0:08:29.990 --> 0:08:33.170 of preparation. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you have to have the 0:08:33.170 --> 0:08:35.420 premiere contain what you're going to talk about when you 0:08:35.420 --> 0:08:37.530 have guests on going to do your research about them. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:39.410 Hey, welcome to our life. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:40.829 Yeah, exactly. 0:08:44.210 --> 0:08:46.760 So and then there's this whole social media game that 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.010 you got to play as well know how to how 0:08:49.010 --> 0:08:52.010 to make sure your poster effectively got a study that actually, 0:08:52.370 --> 0:08:54.469 even as we speak, I'm doing like a little social 0:08:54.470 --> 0:08:57.920 media marketing costing, Oh, because, you know, I need to 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.729 kind of figure that out, right? Yeah, yeah. So I 0:09:01.730 --> 0:09:03.380 kind of realized, yeah, we we were doing all day 0:09:03.380 --> 0:09:05.840 and just completely forgot about the music. 0:09:06.470 --> 0:09:09.410 Yeah, yeah. Too many things still to to to work 0:09:09.410 --> 0:09:12.900 on new things like at one time, write new things. 0:09:13.429 --> 0:09:15.590 Nice. We did, but we did write some stuff for 0:09:15.590 --> 0:09:18.030 some commercial purposes, you know, like, Oh, nice. 0:09:18.350 --> 0:09:20.890 That's where the money is. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:20.940 --> 0:09:22.640 you know, you're going to make the dough, have to 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.290 pay the bills, man. I mean, you're going to get 0:09:24.590 --> 0:09:26.809 no commercials means cannot stand. You're going to 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:31.280 do. Correct. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.800 Right, right. Now, OK, let's let's 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:34.730 zero zero three six. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.890 Seriously, okay. Let's move away from the music business and 0:09:39.890 --> 0:09:43.820 talk about you guys as a partnership. And I think 0:09:43.820 --> 0:09:48.439 only partnerships like like like us, like mountains and of course, 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.950 Jack and Reed understand these things. I bet you guys 0:09:51.950 --> 0:09:54.059 get the same question all the time. If, let's say, 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.520 Jack is there and do you see buying groceries for 0:09:56.540 --> 0:09:58.580 for the home? And somebody runs into 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.319 Jay with that's rare 0:10:03.500 --> 0:10:06.280 and happens, vice versa. Rare is that doesn't mean that 0:10:06.290 --> 0:10:07.030 he's going to end all 0:10:07.700 --> 0:10:12.320 this, you mean? Yeah, I know I've done that a lot. 0:10:13.100 --> 0:10:15.030 I don't even get hungry. I just get it. 0:10:15.290 --> 0:10:21.230 Jay Jay this funny story. Yeah. Though the funny thing 0:10:21.230 --> 0:10:23.359 is that when I go to Mecca, for example, they 0:10:23.809 --> 0:10:25.520 don't ask me for my order and I give it all. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.910 So she's just doing all this normally. No, no, nothing 0:10:28.910 --> 0:10:31.820 at all. It comes up like, I know this. Then 0:10:31.820 --> 0:10:35.210 she looked at the both of us eat chicken. Right? Right, right, right. 0:10:35.250 --> 0:10:38.480 When I alone. Yeah, you don't. She doesn't recognize me. 0:10:41.059 --> 0:10:43.969 You know, she'll always say this. I mean, because happens 0:10:43.970 --> 0:10:45.709 to us all the time. So I always say this 0:10:45.730 --> 0:10:47.690 as much as we laugh at it. Sometimes times is 0:10:47.700 --> 0:10:49.890 it's annoying because like, why are you asking about when 0:10:49.890 --> 0:10:54.140 and I'm here, you know? But. I say to you guys, 0:10:54.140 --> 0:10:55.610 it's because of the brand you 0:10:55.610 --> 0:10:56.660 created, yeah, you 0:10:56.660 --> 0:11:00.230 created such a strong Jack and Rey brand there everywhere 0:11:00.230 --> 0:11:02.480 you go. You can't see Jack without Ray. You can 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.910 see Rey without thinking of Jack, you know, and that's 0:11:04.910 --> 0:11:08.300 the brand. And nothing will ever break that bond, that 0:11:08.300 --> 0:11:11.780 brand that you had because, you know, you guys are 0:11:11.780 --> 0:11:14.089 unique in that sense. So congratulations. 0:11:14.330 --> 0:11:16.410 We have very few people that we can, you know, 0:11:16.429 --> 0:11:18.470 rely on these kind of things. But you guys are 0:11:18.470 --> 0:11:20.790 one of those people that we know you feel the same. 0:11:21.050 --> 0:11:22.090 Yes, but and Ernie? 0:11:22.100 --> 0:11:23.540 Yeah, actually, absolutely. 0:11:23.630 --> 0:11:27.140 Yes, that's a Moslem and Jack Miller, right? And then 0:11:27.140 --> 0:11:29.300 there's Jack in the in the mountains. That's it. You know, 0:11:29.690 --> 0:11:34.480 these these are the doors that no, OK can. We 0:11:34.490 --> 0:11:36.530 can get this because I don't know if I've ever 0:11:36.530 --> 0:11:38.420 asked you guys before I ever ever had a story. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:43.610 How did Jack and Reed meet? Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Wow, aloha. 0:11:43.820 --> 0:11:45.170 Who's going to answer that? I'm sure. I'm sure you 0:11:45.170 --> 0:11:46.490 guys that a lot, but who's going to answer that? 0:11:47.270 --> 0:11:52.280 OK, maybe this is the timeline starts with me. Yes, exactly. Okay, 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.660 so all right. Back in 1997, Don was playing with 0:11:56.660 --> 0:11:58.850 a different band. My band then was called the strawberries. 0:11:59.150 --> 0:12:02.449 Oh wow. I say that it was your Benny the 0:12:02.460 --> 0:12:05.320 strawberry I love. I love this. 0:12:05.700 --> 0:12:07.890 I love that. So that's a make up mess. 0:12:08.510 --> 0:12:10.910 But he absolutely was. And I love you guys, Ben 0:12:10.910 --> 0:12:12.680 and John. And, you know, both of them went overseas 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.500 to study so solo after that. So when we were solo, 0:12:15.500 --> 0:12:17.870 there was this. There was this slot in number five. 0:12:17.870 --> 0:12:20.630 So the solo guys will play before the main band 0:12:20.630 --> 0:12:25.829 comes on like a woman. Yes, right? Yeah. So I 0:12:25.850 --> 0:12:28.820 believe that I was playing number five when Jack went 0:12:28.820 --> 0:12:32.110 to audition to play in number five. But Jack could 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.300 actually see me before play with the strawberries. So then Jack, 0:12:35.300 --> 0:12:35.960 because of bands, right? 0:12:36.860 --> 0:12:39.439 Oh, OK, then then when I so I was looking 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.380 around for live music, you know, dates by it. Playing 0:12:42.380 --> 0:12:45.349 the guitar on my own, in my bedroom. And so 0:12:45.350 --> 0:12:50.120 after I saw is to suspend the audition and actually 0:12:50.140 --> 0:12:52.820 read anything is I know I do this only recently, 0:12:52.820 --> 0:12:55.460 but the first time I auditioned at number five, I 0:12:55.460 --> 0:12:58.640 actually got rejected. The guy the guy told me, like, 0:12:58.890 --> 0:13:02.300 you know, yeah, maybe you go back and refresh and 0:13:02.300 --> 0:13:05.560 try to add more songs. The repertoire? Oh, so sad. 0:13:05.570 --> 0:13:09.260 I was like, Oh man, yeah. And funny thing. The 0:13:09.260 --> 0:13:12.230 same guy that was in charge of number five. Fast 0:13:12.230 --> 0:13:14.239 forward to about five or six years later, he was 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.150 actually the manager at Walla Walla, the music, the music guy. Oh, 0:13:18.230 --> 0:13:22.100 and so, yeah, that was really small was, Oh yeah, 0:13:22.100 --> 0:13:25.140 he was thirty. Yeah, Tony's going to go home. Yeah. 0:13:25.580 --> 0:13:29.360 So I dare you, Tony, Tony, 0:13:30.900 --> 0:13:34.969 Tony, Tony. Our our he's a good, good friend right now, 0:13:34.970 --> 0:13:36.690 but but I bet I was in 0:13:36.740 --> 0:13:38.459 the team at Tony time. 0:13:38.530 --> 0:13:42.170 OK, Tony time. Yeah, so so just, I think, last 0:13:42.170 --> 0:13:45.050 part of your band when you were together. But but 0:13:45.050 --> 0:13:47.210 after Tony left, then there's this new manager. So I 0:13:47.210 --> 0:13:50.330 just went to audition again. So this other guy said, OK, 0:13:50.630 --> 0:13:53.640 you know? And he was obviously nicer to me. So 0:13:53.929 --> 0:13:55.910 why did you do the warm up set? You know, 0:13:55.910 --> 0:13:58.910 the set. So that's where me and Ray and together 0:13:59.179 --> 0:14:01.160 you are musicians. We would turn up at number five 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.219 on our respective dates and on some days they got 0:14:04.220 --> 0:14:06.410 the schedule wrong. So me and Ray, I mean, mama, 0:14:06.420 --> 0:14:09.310 go up the steps in at eight eight, you say, Yeah, 0:14:09.350 --> 0:14:11.860 is it your turn on my turn? I never may lie. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.910 You know, why don't you play? So that's how we 0:14:13.910 --> 0:14:18.500 kind of got to know each other. Oh yeah. To 0:14:18.510 --> 0:14:21.859 be purely and, you know, at number five, bumping into 0:14:21.860 --> 0:14:24.140 each other, knowing each other like, you know, as a 0:14:24.140 --> 0:14:27.490 solo act, playing a guitar and and yeah, well, OK. 0:14:27.500 --> 0:14:30.230 But what was the moment that that that 0:14:30.230 --> 0:14:33.739 you decided, you know, let's let's do this together, and 0:14:33.740 --> 0:14:35.790 that's done. Infinity and beyond. Yeah. 0:14:36.770 --> 0:14:40.070 So it just so happened that after all that happened, 0:14:40.070 --> 0:14:42.340 there was another bar that we played at called Barcelona. 0:14:42.350 --> 0:14:43.470 It was a Robertson walk. 0:14:43.490 --> 0:14:44.750 Yeah, I remember Barcelona. 0:14:44.790 --> 0:14:48.440 OK, yeah. Nice little cosy place to play them Fridays, 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.660 and I played there on Saturdays. Oh, right. And then 0:14:52.860 --> 0:14:54.360 it was the India, so we kind of knew each 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.700 other really right then and we go down, watch Jack 0:14:56.700 --> 0:14:58.590 once in a while, you know, just say hello, listen 0:14:58.590 --> 0:15:00.960 to songs. And I was like, Wow, OK. Repertoires are 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.720 quite similar in some senses because they're about the same age. 0:15:04.290 --> 0:15:07.770 So I think I think Christmas Eve and New Year's 0:15:07.770 --> 0:15:10.440 Eve was coming right towards the end of year. So 0:15:11.070 --> 0:15:13.470 we asked the manager, why not, you know, invoke these 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.080 special dates like Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve when 0:15:16.350 --> 0:15:19.460 we play together. And, you know, more fun, right? We're 0:15:19.470 --> 0:15:23.610 like two guys. At least people are partying, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, 0:15:23.610 --> 0:15:26.040 so the manager put us there. So that's the first 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.830 time that we actually played together for a night. It 0:15:28.830 --> 0:15:31.500 is unrehearsed. We just wait and just wait, you know? Yeah, right. 0:15:31.540 --> 0:15:35.280 Yeah, yeah. And feel good. Yeah. 0:15:35.730 --> 0:15:39.660 And it's competition. And then later on, Jack decided to 0:15:39.660 --> 0:15:42.480 go and do his thing and audition at Walla Walla. Right, Jack? 0:15:42.900 --> 0:15:47.340 Yeah, that's right. And then after that came in 2002, 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.680 when it was, If I jog your memory, Tokyo woke up, 0:15:53.100 --> 0:15:56.410 woke up. Soccer was happening. It was in Tokyo. Oh, 0:15:56.550 --> 0:15:59.130 it was in Japan. And you know, the Japan timing 0:15:59.140 --> 0:16:00.930 and about timing is pretty much the same, right? 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:02.930 Yeah, I was on all day. 0:16:03.250 --> 0:16:06.540 Yeah, yeah, best. And all the matches were around the 0:16:06.540 --> 0:16:08.940 prime time, you know, when we were gigging. So actually, 0:16:08.950 --> 0:16:11.160 the club told us a jack and read, you don't 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.350 have to play for a month plus because we want 0:16:13.350 --> 0:16:15.000 to screen soccer. We're like, 0:16:15.380 --> 0:16:16.020 No. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.630 Yeah. So I being the, you know, the me that 0:16:21.630 --> 0:16:23.940 I am, I just went out to audition and then 0:16:23.940 --> 0:16:26.640 I heard about $1 and I just went along. I 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.190 just like, you don't go and audition. And one one 0:16:29.190 --> 0:16:31.650 of our friends actually told us to go and try out, 0:16:31.830 --> 0:16:34.620 and they're still doing music throughout the World Cup season. 0:16:34.740 --> 0:16:37.500 So that's where I audition. The guy told me that 0:16:37.890 --> 0:16:39.810 he saw me play and he asked me whether I 0:16:39.810 --> 0:16:41.550 had a partner because I think one of what I 0:16:41.550 --> 0:16:44.130 kind of wanted to do the duo thing. Yeah, right. 0:16:44.220 --> 0:16:46.920 Big setup. So I said so the first person that 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.890 came to mind, I called Mama. So I called up. 0:16:49.890 --> 0:16:51.710 I said, I want to come to one of the 0:16:51.780 --> 0:16:54.570 jam and we would just audition and see what they say. 0:16:54.570 --> 0:16:57.270 And that's kind of how we started up. So when 0:16:57.270 --> 0:16:59.790 I auditioned at Walla Walla, the manager looked at me 0:16:59.790 --> 0:17:01.980 and Ray didn't know what to do with us because 0:17:01.980 --> 0:17:06.560 we are just to do it. Doing Travis, doing Coldplay, 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.169 which nobody knew. Yeah, because back in 2000, they were 0:17:10.170 --> 0:17:12.629 still considered in the, you know, they were going the 0:17:12.630 --> 0:17:15.510 way that I was still Bon Jovi and all of that, 0:17:15.810 --> 0:17:18.149 you know, all the big bands and all that stuff. 0:17:18.150 --> 0:17:20.460 So they put us on Sunday night. They say it 0:17:20.460 --> 0:17:22.530 will be safe. You guys, don't let me put you 0:17:22.530 --> 0:17:26.010 on Sunday night, Sunday night, maybe two or three will come, 0:17:26.010 --> 0:17:28.109 you know, because most of these quite quiet night. But 0:17:28.109 --> 0:17:31.109 if you don't mind, we'll try you up. And that 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.170 that day was to infinity and beyond. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.200 I think what a great story. I thought it was 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.659 because Ray used to be a better. I thought it 0:17:39.660 --> 0:17:45.600 was the shots that go because I've seen him in 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.920 bars in my neighborhood, you know? 0:17:48.170 --> 0:17:51.960 Yeah, yeah. OK, that's actually great. That's actually a great 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:56.969 transition to the next question because yeah, I know Ray, 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.260 as many years you were a teacher as well. Yeah. 0:18:00.270 --> 0:18:03.180 So you kind of did it simultaneously, Jack. Did you 0:18:03.180 --> 0:18:06.209 ever do anything? Yes, I 0:18:06.210 --> 0:18:07.710 did. Oh, what do you? What do you 0:18:07.710 --> 0:18:12.899 do? So I always felt like there wasn't a real 0:18:12.900 --> 0:18:17.300 job bill. One and only real job I had was 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.090 working at. I was actually with Sony Marketing in the 0:18:21.090 --> 0:18:24.350 Asia Pacific. OK, so this is OK. So we bring 0:18:24.350 --> 0:18:26.820 bring you back to the timeline of like number five. 0:18:26.820 --> 0:18:30.990 We were still playing alone. Then I graduated around 2001, 0:18:31.260 --> 0:18:32.910 so then I thought it had to go and look 0:18:32.910 --> 0:18:34.840 for a job to meet my mum and get happy. Yeah. 0:18:35.850 --> 0:18:38.580 So I went a look around and and and and 0:18:38.580 --> 0:18:41.700 this job came about. So I joined Sony for three years. 0:18:41.710 --> 0:18:45.090 So from two or one two three up to 04, 0:18:45.150 --> 0:18:49.260 so I was actually doing marketing for Sony and brothers. 0:18:49.340 --> 0:18:52.200 I never told this before, but I was actually marketing 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.100 for the the the the personal audio department. So your 0:18:56.190 --> 0:19:00.750 your your CD player was a real player and I'm 0:19:00.750 --> 0:19:02.500 sure you guys will remember the MVP. 0:19:02.730 --> 0:19:05.090 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, sure. Oh my goodness, I will 0:19:05.430 --> 0:19:05.860 do that. 0:19:06.690 --> 0:19:09.630 Yeah, the more I saw the the how the iPod 0:19:09.630 --> 0:19:13.340 came along and any player just got obliterated. Yeah, so 0:19:13.410 --> 0:19:16.740 so that's yeah. So that's my job. So after that 0:19:16.740 --> 0:19:19.440 awful I quit and music was fantastic. 0:19:19.500 --> 0:19:21.390 Wow. Wow. Yeah. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.420 And really, when did you stop becoming a teacher? 0:19:26.270 --> 0:19:32.300 I was teaching between 04 and or eight, so I 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.390 was about five years and thinking, Wow, oh yeah, so 0:19:35.390 --> 0:19:39.109 I graduated around three or four and then, yeah, so yeah, 0:19:39.109 --> 0:19:41.840 I was teaching a year in secondary school that I 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.580 went to Raffles Junior College, one of the three or 0:19:43.580 --> 0:19:47.609 four years, and then decided to take a sabbatical, right? 0:19:48.050 --> 0:19:48.830 But the thing is, 0:19:50.630 --> 0:19:50.800 what 0:19:50.810 --> 0:19:51.679 a great sabbatical. 0:19:52.130 --> 0:19:56.200 That's the best event to go, young man. Wow. Wow, OK, OK. 0:19:56.270 --> 0:19:59.600 And since so since 2008, both of you have been 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.200 doing music full time. Cizik Say correct is correct, yes, 0:20:03.350 --> 0:20:06.649 but not quite as well because I don't know the 0:20:06.650 --> 0:20:08.929 exact year I want to say 2015, but I may 0:20:08.930 --> 0:20:12.800 be wrong. A restaurant came about. Yes. Tell us. Tell 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.520 us about. Tell us that story! 2013 Peter Beattie. 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:23.750 Well, yes. 2013 February Valentine's Day. Really correct, right? We 0:20:23.750 --> 0:20:26.960 did our first service at The Flying Squirrel, which is 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.530 a small, little cozy Japanese restaurant that we own along 0:20:30.530 --> 0:20:34.639 I'm--i Street between me and my wifey. So we eat 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.850 them ourselves. The three musketeers decided to go on board 0:20:37.850 --> 0:20:41.580 this crazy trip to do a journey to again and 0:20:41.660 --> 0:20:44.719 back on FNB and and yeah, and that's how they 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:45.080 came about. 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.369 That's I mean, I remember we were there for the opening. Yeah, 0:20:48.380 --> 0:20:51.530 it's such a great little place. Food is fantastic. Let let. 0:20:51.530 --> 0:20:54.410 Let's talk about that. Like, like through this pandemic has 0:20:54.410 --> 0:20:55.399 the restaurant businessmen? 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.320 Well, it's what it was. You know, thank God the 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:03.409 restaurant is able to run. But honestly, when the first 0:21:03.609 --> 0:21:05.770 the first part of the pandemic came right, I think 0:21:05.770 --> 0:21:08.500 me and my wife, we just sat down and they 0:21:08.500 --> 0:21:12.129 cried because, you know, we we waited to industries that 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:17.159 that that we do musicians. FNB cannot operate, you know, so, 0:21:17.230 --> 0:21:20.050 so so you know, we I mean, honestly, we we 0:21:20.050 --> 0:21:22.990 we were really we were really scared. But we knew that, 0:21:22.990 --> 0:21:25.270 you know, we we had to, you know, buckle up 0:21:25.270 --> 0:21:28.420 and just brace through this whole period and then got 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.810 for the whole of last year. After we finished there, 0:21:31.810 --> 0:21:34.170 we had to phase two. So we really, you know, 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.720 PR all the way through till August, September, all the 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.270 way through December into this year. And then the heightened 0:21:40.270 --> 0:21:43.270 alert came. So, you know, recently it's been a bit, 0:21:43.300 --> 0:21:45.520 you know, push pull. So we are just trying to 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.460 keep ourselves out, you know, keep everything light. You know, keep, keep, 0:21:49.460 --> 0:21:53.440 keep it as best prudent as we can on spending 0:21:53.710 --> 0:21:56.790 and and hopefully now, you know, we are, we are. 0:21:56.790 --> 0:21:59.370 We are, we are looking, OK, we're looking at that 0:21:59.380 --> 0:22:00.210 story anymore. 0:22:00.230 --> 0:22:03.910 Yeah, yeah. This is such a it is so uncertain, right? 0:22:03.910 --> 0:22:06.430 Because like I it movies in a movie as if, 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:08.430 Oh man, yeah, yeah. 0:22:09.330 --> 0:22:12.110 And you guys also still are you guys still enough? Yes. Yes, yes. 0:22:12.130 --> 0:22:15.250 Yes. Yeah, yeah. So we're still doing the release. The 0:22:15.250 --> 0:22:18.520 all star business at oh yeah, Killiney, you know. 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.290 So yeah, we went there. Yeah. 0:22:20.410 --> 0:22:22.399 Oh, nice. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.919 And I think when it when it first opened. Yeah. Right, right, right. 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:29.619 I yeah, you mentioned to it to us before. And 0:22:29.619 --> 0:22:32.290 you know, we're all just you in everybody. If you 0:22:32.290 --> 0:22:34.180 sit down, stand by for anything that happens. 0:22:34.180 --> 0:22:35.730 Yeah, you never know what's going to happen. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.710 It's just a stupid stand by more like God. He 0:22:38.710 --> 0:22:42.460 could announce something I did not. But for now, we 0:22:42.460 --> 0:22:45.810 seem OK now, you know, and as long as as 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.430 dining can continue, we're all fingers crossed. Yeah. So, so 0:22:48.430 --> 0:22:51.730 so yeah, we're all fellow strugglers. Yay. You know, just 0:22:54.430 --> 0:22:54.740 so 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:58.060 we're so Jack, you obviously are the more matured one 0:22:58.060 --> 0:23:01.040 because you got married. You had a kid early on 0:23:01.510 --> 0:23:04.740 and got dark. Yeah, what's wrong? You mean what's going 0:23:04.850 --> 0:23:07.100 on with life? 0:23:07.510 --> 0:23:08.119 We got married. 0:23:08.830 --> 0:23:13.720 You're kidding. No, no. Sorry. But how do we not 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.369 know this? Oh, really? Yeah. 0:23:16.650 --> 0:23:19.169 Yeah, it's a quite a frankovic, right? So I had 0:23:19.210 --> 0:23:20.890 a 10 percent rating. Oh. 0:23:21.970 --> 0:23:26.379 Hey, this is why I didn't get invite once every day. 0:23:26.980 --> 0:23:30.369 I'm sorry. We didn't know. Oh, congratulations. 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.399 Finally, an adult, did you really have a ten percent rating? 0:23:34.420 --> 0:23:38.310 Yeah, because when we went to, um, it was only 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:40.240 a you only allowed 10 people max. 0:23:40.300 --> 0:23:41.030 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:23:41.350 --> 0:23:45.020 We had our immediate families, which is just nice. 10. Yeah. 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:47.800 And then we went to a restaurant and you allowed 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:49.179 to eat a restaurant as a group of 10 if 0:23:49.180 --> 0:23:52.780 it's a wedding party. OK. We actually just had dinner 0:23:52.780 --> 0:23:55.580 at at a restaurant nearby. And then, yeah, that's it. 0:23:55.660 --> 0:23:56.890 That's my wedding. Yeah. 0:23:56.890 --> 0:23:59.859 Well, you know, they kept the same number for funerals. And, 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:01.720 you know, it's kind of the same thing if 0:24:02.830 --> 0:24:03.330 you are 0:24:03.350 --> 0:24:04.460 R.I.P. freedom, right? 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.370 But I also did have a small Hindu ceremony two 0:24:09.369 --> 0:24:12.540 months later when and you allowed 50 people. So, you know, 0:24:12.550 --> 0:24:15.280 50 was just nice again for families and super close friends. 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.280 And then Fantastic Man, Oh, Congressman, we didn't know. 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.710 We didn't know that. OK, so so, so so it. 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:24.850 I'm slightly adulting now. 0:24:25.020 --> 0:24:26.290 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.740 what? What advice did Jack give Ray when he was 0:24:29.740 --> 0:24:30.580 about to get married? 0:24:35.300 --> 0:24:36.159 Yeah, what do you tell you? 0:24:36.550 --> 0:24:37.840 Don't sing at your own wedding? 0:24:41.050 --> 0:24:47.230 That's something I definitely told myself. My second one is 0:24:47.230 --> 0:24:48.310 the only thing on my wedding. 0:24:48.910 --> 0:24:49.550 So do you 0:24:51.070 --> 0:24:54.220 see the validity? You agree? At my wedding, I thought, 0:24:54.580 --> 0:24:58.210 Hey mama, can you be my emcee and my wedding 0:24:58.210 --> 0:25:01.750 singer is right? So he was. He was both. He 0:25:01.750 --> 0:25:03.389 was to you. 0:25:03.790 --> 0:25:06.760 Yeah. Just come with your kid and your wife, enjoy yourself, 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:07.960 eat some food and go home again. 0:25:08.250 --> 0:25:11.200 Right, right, right. Right. And any kits in the works, ray. 0:25:11.470 --> 0:25:13.419 Any plans working on it? 0:25:13.850 --> 0:25:16.480 OK, nice. Nice. That's great. The human 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:20.020 right. Would it be amazing if Jack's kids and raise 0:25:20.020 --> 0:25:22.780 kids from a bed? Well, that would be the most 0:25:22.780 --> 0:25:24.180 full-circle thing, you know? 0:25:24.190 --> 0:25:27.280 And then Jack and Ray also, you know, kind of 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.020 mentor the band or be part of the band. They 0:25:29.230 --> 0:25:30.970 can call themselves the Mamas and the Papas. 0:25:36.310 --> 0:25:39.040 That's original. No other band is called then. Yeah, I know. 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.220 I never heard that before. It's it's it's incredible. 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:44.050 We've got to get we've got to get Brendan's kids 0:25:44.050 --> 0:25:45.450 on board as well. Matt? Yeah. 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:49.149 Hey, there you go. Well, good. I'll give them to 0:25:49.150 --> 0:25:51.340 you now and then you returned them and then anyone 0:25:55.450 --> 0:25:57.130 over you dig out. One is enough for me. 0:25:57.220 --> 0:25:59.859 Oh, you was awesome. 0:25:59.859 --> 0:26:01.719 Awesome. So it's so good to catch. I mean, I'm 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:03.640 so glad we had this issue. We know Ray's marriage 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:04.930 exactly right. You know, 0:26:05.650 --> 0:26:05.890 where 0:26:05.890 --> 0:26:09.220 have we been? I know. I know. Really, really, really 0:26:09.220 --> 0:26:12.370 cool stuff. So OK, guys, all the best. I mean, 0:26:12.460 --> 0:26:12.880 we're all 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:16.270 still in the food business, in the music business business, 0:26:16.300 --> 0:26:17.740 you know, family lives as well. 0:26:17.859 --> 0:26:19.230 You know, we we kind of wait till we get 0:26:19.250 --> 0:26:21.610 hang out again what you guys think again? Yeah, I mean, 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.870 I remember the last time we watched you guys play 0:26:26.710 --> 0:26:29.649 at an actual concert, I still remember the location we 0:26:29.650 --> 0:26:33.220 were in Orchard Central. Yeah, it was for Singapore Airlines. Right. 0:26:33.490 --> 0:26:36.459 We were launching Samuel Chris Fly at the time. And 0:26:36.460 --> 0:26:39.610 while he was right, yes, yes. All of London women 0:26:39.609 --> 0:26:41.800 use Chris five months before we'd go to something like 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:45.129 to do something right. And you guys have experience. Yeah, yeah, 0:26:45.250 --> 0:26:46.750 that's kinda attentive. 0:26:46.990 --> 0:26:47.920 Is it really what 0:26:48.250 --> 0:26:51.160 some call the British Sabrina was? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:51.520 the one. 0:26:51.550 --> 0:26:54.140 Yeah. So we were hosting that. You guys played boom. 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.070 That was the last time. Yeah, we we did that. 0:26:57.070 --> 0:26:59.380 We hosted that. You guys played so badly needs to. 0:26:59.530 --> 0:27:02.889 It needs to happen again sometime. Wow. Wow. One more 0:27:02.890 --> 0:27:05.020 thing to do before we go and wrap up this 0:27:05.230 --> 0:27:08.170 this this is this long awaited catch up session is 0:27:08.170 --> 0:27:09.879 to turn the tables. We've been asking you questions for 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.130 half an hour now. It's your turn. Is there anything 0:27:12.130 --> 0:27:14.410 even though we've known each other so many years? Is 0:27:14.410 --> 0:27:16.300 there anything, Jackie we have ever wanted to ask the 0:27:16.300 --> 0:27:21.700 mountains too shy to sign autographs short and you get 0:27:21.700 --> 0:27:24.160 to ask us back right now? Yes. Come on, Jack. Oh, 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:27.430 Jack Jenkins question right now. Who says, Oh, sorry, I 0:27:27.430 --> 0:27:29.199 guess when you told us just to put in the 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.380 rules here because we were doing this podcast for a while, 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:34.960 everybody gets to ask the question so that a few 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.350 questions you can ask, which is, have you guys ever 0:27:38.350 --> 0:27:41.080 fought and have you seen each other naked because everybody 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:41.760 else was doing? 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:43.750 I don't know why they what people want to see 0:27:43.750 --> 0:27:44.080 is meet. 0:27:44.470 --> 0:27:49.330 The boy was arrested on Sorry, I'm sorry. I bet 0:27:49.330 --> 0:27:50.110 you guys get that 0:27:50.109 --> 0:27:54.290 question as well. Yeah, that we do. Yeah, I'm sure 0:27:54.290 --> 0:27:56.949 you always pointed at me because you know you are 0:27:56.950 --> 0:28:00.010 always the red face love be. Do you know you can? 0:28:00.010 --> 0:28:05.780 You can't stop laughing. Ray, have you ever seen Jay angry? Oh, right, right, right, right. 0:28:05.859 --> 0:28:08.730 So maybe, maybe actually. You know what my question is? Yeah. 0:28:08.740 --> 0:28:10.240 So I was going to ask you guys, I think 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.280 I can ask you guys the question still, because up 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.610 is isn't about fighting, but you know, Justin or Vernon 0:28:15.609 --> 0:28:20.350 have ever seen like button. Have you ever seen Justin angry? Oh, Justin, 0:28:20.350 --> 0:28:22.929 have you ever seen Vernon angry? Because, you know 0:28:22.930 --> 0:28:26.419 you were saying, this is not a fair question. He 0:28:26.470 --> 0:28:27.970 sees me angry every day. 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.699 So I don't even notice my and because you don't 0:28:30.700 --> 0:28:32.860 really hear it on air. But one is a very 0:28:32.859 --> 0:28:37.140 angry man. He's always had anger management issues. So he 0:28:37.140 --> 0:28:40.020 actually gets angry. Are you kidding? Yes, she is angry. 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:41.220 A lot of small, small things. 0:28:41.370 --> 0:28:43.440 No, it's just that I'm surrounded by stupid people. 0:28:44.730 --> 0:28:45.630 But to his 0:28:45.630 --> 0:28:48.080 credit, I'll say this too is going on over the years. 0:28:48.090 --> 0:28:51.830 He's actually manage his anger better. When I first read 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:55.440 the new version, when you first walk together, well, everyday 0:28:55.510 --> 0:28:58.260 he was angry at everything like when the vending machine 0:28:58.260 --> 0:29:02.790 was of Nescafé. Last, right? Wow. The following morning, he's 0:29:02.970 --> 0:29:05.310 called and kicked the shit out of the machine, and 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:07.210 I'm like, Dude, relax. 0:29:08.330 --> 0:29:08.830 Oh shit. 0:29:09.300 --> 0:29:11.070 Well, the reason I'm not like that is because I'm 0:29:11.070 --> 0:29:13.730 all like, Yeah, yeah, I the machine gun. She'll keep 0:29:13.770 --> 0:29:13.890 me 0:29:13.890 --> 0:29:16.490 bad. As he got older, he got more mellow. But yeah, 0:29:16.500 --> 0:29:19.470 I usually solve it, and I've actually seen an angry 0:29:19.470 --> 0:29:24.250 man again. But how about you, brother? 0:29:24.290 --> 0:29:28.170 Yeah. When have you seen him just being angry? Yeah. 0:29:28.410 --> 0:29:33.030 Well, don't be fooled by his jovial misdemeanours. Always laughing, like, 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:37.440 like going for Bender because this guy gets angry. No, 0:29:37.810 --> 0:29:41.580 he's he's kind of like, like, like, I think it's contagious. 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.600 My my anger has kind of rubbed off on him. Yeah, 0:29:44.610 --> 0:29:46.740 and now he's the one that gets angry. Most of 0:29:46.740 --> 0:29:49.140 the time. He's always shouting at people, Yeah, well, I 0:29:49.140 --> 0:29:51.660 just keep quiet because sometimes I cannot hear them all 0:29:51.750 --> 0:29:54.120 and I can't see because like, you know, I'm blind. 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.400 So it's so weird because I used to be a 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:57.210 lot more patient. 0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.100 I used to. I used to laugh, used to say 0:29:59.100 --> 0:30:01.530 yes to everything. Even people do stupid things. Or you 0:30:01.690 --> 0:30:05.040 all y'all qqq? I do for you now. Oh my goodness, 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.600 these guys, the unfriendly is fun. So you know 0:30:07.700 --> 0:30:09.390 how best friends? I'm sure that all of you are 0:30:09.390 --> 0:30:12.270 like how best friends eventually become like each other. You 0:30:12.270 --> 0:30:15.090 think you think or you think each other's happy treats? Yeah, yeah. 0:30:15.090 --> 0:30:17.910 So I because of him, I became more impatient. I 0:30:17.910 --> 0:30:18.840 started getting angry. 0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.230 Yeah, and now I'm the angel. I get quiet. 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.220 So it's like you got training from the kids. 0:30:26.220 --> 0:30:29.580 But yeah, exactly right. Yeah, I mean, if you can, 0:30:29.700 --> 0:30:32.910 if you can handle kids, well, yo yo yo patience 0:30:32.950 --> 0:30:36.170 is is not that nerdy. Everything else, you know, is 0:30:36.180 --> 0:30:38.160 just minor compared to you can handle 0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.100 anything, right? Ray, did you have a question for us? 0:30:42.210 --> 0:30:47.360 Yeah, actually. Interestingly, when did OK? I mean, it's a 0:30:47.370 --> 0:30:51.570 it's a continuous question, but how did you guys get together? 0:30:51.570 --> 0:30:54.060 That's one, but I want to know. More importantly, when 0:30:54.060 --> 0:30:57.480 did you guys realize that, you know, the Matins was 0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.130 this thing where you came into your own? 0:30:59.220 --> 0:31:00.510 Oh, right, from 0:31:01.290 --> 0:31:04.560 the moment that moment, you think that something going on 0:31:04.650 --> 0:31:07.050 right? Right, right, right. Well, I'll answer that one. 0:31:07.140 --> 0:31:08.020 It's funny. Yeah. 0:31:08.700 --> 0:31:11.580 So part one that and this is something we've said before, 0:31:11.580 --> 0:31:15.140 is that working together as in this, how did the 0:31:15.150 --> 0:31:18.540 buttons come together was never our choice in radio. And 0:31:18.540 --> 0:31:21.480 you guys have been you guys and you have, you know, 0:31:21.610 --> 0:31:23.370 I've been hanging out with radio people for long enough. 0:31:23.370 --> 0:31:27.150 You probably know this, but in radio, you whoever works 0:31:27.150 --> 0:31:30.870 with who is always a management decision. Yeah. So very 0:31:30.870 --> 0:31:33.239 often they let you come down and you and let 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.490 me see you. OK. You are the new morning show. 0:31:35.550 --> 0:31:39.480 And everybody's like, what? You know? So it's never our choice. 0:31:39.810 --> 0:31:42.780 So literally was like that. One day we were sitting 0:31:42.780 --> 0:31:45.250 in a meeting and he said, OK, we're going to revamp. 0:31:45.540 --> 0:31:48.030 This was back in 1970s. We're going to revamp 987 0:31:48.030 --> 0:31:51.570 tour to a new thing. Mark Richman, you guys know him. 0:31:51.570 --> 0:31:53.490 He was he was the boss at the time, so 0:31:53.490 --> 0:31:56.830 he appointed Vernon and Justin. You're a new morning show. 0:31:56.940 --> 0:32:01.210 I what? What an injustice. You know, and you know, 0:32:02.100 --> 0:32:04.620 this guy was a wide eyed young little punk who 0:32:04.620 --> 0:32:08.150 would just say, yeah, already heard from for the National Service. 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:10.650 Thirty three years old and my whole, my head was 0:32:10.650 --> 0:32:13.800 just exploding because like, Oh my God, my medical career 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.690 is over before it even starts, you know, because like, 0:32:17.330 --> 0:32:19.770 I'm being put in a partnership with this guy who's 0:32:19.770 --> 0:32:24.240 10 years older than me, you know, and like, I'm screwed. 0:32:24.420 --> 0:32:27.660 You know, it was the brains. You know, what were 0:32:27.660 --> 0:32:28.290 you thinking? 0:32:28.570 --> 0:32:31.350 Justin said, When you lose an interest in the partner, you. 0:32:31.780 --> 0:32:34.380 Well, I mean, I I had a new whipping boy, Lagos. 0:32:34.380 --> 0:32:37.770 I'm going to happen when when I'm angry at things 0:32:37.770 --> 0:32:39.370 I think are using it as my punching bag, like 0:32:39.390 --> 0:32:41.790 he's got so much meat, right? Sure. 0:32:42.090 --> 0:32:44.880 Oh man. It was. It was that moment. You know, 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.430 so I never like, Oh God, okay, where do you 0:32:47.430 --> 0:32:49.920 punish him? And that's how all partnerships get announced. You know, 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.200 they literally spring on to you. So they're like, OK, 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:53.820 we got to make this work right? And then and 0:32:53.820 --> 0:32:54.740 then I'll never take it. 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.090 Yeah. So so the funny thing is, yeah, we did 0:32:57.090 --> 0:33:01.500 this whole new partnership reveal doing a retreat to to kale. 0:33:01.530 --> 0:33:03.840 So so we're all, you know, shipped off on a 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.780 bus tour to spend time together in kale. And we're 0:33:06.780 --> 0:33:09.120 all in the hotel and everything on this announcement was 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:13.850 made and the bosses then Mark and all other bosses said, OK, 0:33:13.850 --> 0:33:16.290 you know, we want to meet with each new team 0:33:16.290 --> 0:33:19.620 and let's sit down and chat and find out what 0:33:19.620 --> 0:33:22.860 ideas you guys have for your new shows. So me 0:33:22.860 --> 0:33:24.870 and Justin kind of hung out and sat down and 0:33:24.870 --> 0:33:28.080 started talking about radio and what we wanted to achieve 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.630 and stuff like that. And the more we spoke to 0:33:30.630 --> 0:33:32.760 each other, the more we realized like, Hey, actually, we 0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:35.730 were kind of on the. Same wavelength we we we 0:33:35.730 --> 0:33:37.680 want that the same things we we knew how to 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.650 do things the same way that, you know, be effective 0:33:40.650 --> 0:33:44.640 on radio and all that. So we thought, actually, okay, 0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:48.209 I can get along and can, you know, hash out 0:33:48.210 --> 0:33:51.360 ideas and everything. And then, of course, you know, that's 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.720 only the planning stage, the initial stage. Then you literally 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:56.870 get thrown into a new show and you start doing 0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.340 a show on radio. And the first few weeks was, 0:33:59.580 --> 0:34:01.890 you know, the kind of like test or whatever kind 0:34:01.890 --> 0:34:04.770 of thing like trial and error. We did some horrible 0:34:04.770 --> 0:34:07.080 stuff on radio that, you know, I really don't wish 0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:09.870 to remember and stuff like that. But as we as 0:34:09.870 --> 0:34:12.810 we moved along, we realized, like it? Yeah, actually, you know, 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.300 it's it seems like the show is getting better and better. 0:34:15.300 --> 0:34:17.730 We we we wanted to achieve the same things and 0:34:18.540 --> 0:34:21.270 we knew how to get to where we're going on 0:34:21.270 --> 0:34:24.460 a same wavelength. So and it doesn't happen like like 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.549 I've been around the block. I mean, I'm quite a 0:34:26.700 --> 0:34:27.660 bicycle radio 0:34:28.860 --> 0:34:29.160 and 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.000 I've had many partners before. And you know, and I 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:36.000 think felt like like this partnership where, you know, my 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.130 partner actually could back me up, man, I could back 0:34:38.130 --> 0:34:40.080 him up and we saw the funny. 0:34:40.290 --> 0:34:42.330 The key was we barely disagreed. 0:34:42.420 --> 0:34:45.690 Yeah. So so all these 16 years that we've been together, 0:34:45.810 --> 0:34:49.290 we've never had a major blow argument. Like, I mean, obviously, 0:34:49.290 --> 0:34:51.420 I win all the time because I just don't shut up. 0:34:51.430 --> 0:34:56.710 But you know, it was, you know, because yeah, so 0:34:57.110 --> 0:35:01.469 so I think the moment really you're asking about is 0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:03.600 after a few months when I assure you, we don't 0:35:03.630 --> 0:35:06.450 disagree on anything. Yeah. You know, everything that you came 0:35:06.450 --> 0:35:07.890 up with, I think it's a great idea. Did everything 0:35:07.890 --> 0:35:10.190 I came up with is like, Yeah, let's let's try. Yeah, 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.859 so and then it became like, Wow, I never had 0:35:13.860 --> 0:35:16.630 that before. You know, so, so so yeah, that's awesome. 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.350 That's when we we we think we thought it will 0:35:19.350 --> 0:35:21.000 go a long way. Yeah. 0:35:21.330 --> 0:35:23.190 Well, we still trying to decide 0:35:25.980 --> 0:35:28.490 which, OK, I know, I know we're running long. So 0:35:29.430 --> 0:35:31.350 I just have to ask you guys back this question 0:35:31.350 --> 0:35:34.080 because I feel like you are like that as well. Like, 0:35:34.410 --> 0:35:36.630 you don't feel like you ever fight. Check every. 0:35:37.980 --> 0:35:41.430 No, I would say we seldom disagree. Is this like 0:35:41.790 --> 0:35:43.470 someone if you see something you look like, let's 0:35:43.469 --> 0:35:47.250 do this, we, you know, and even if you don't 0:35:47.250 --> 0:35:49.980 like your phone, your phone just does this try things? 0:35:50.070 --> 0:35:50.400 Is it? 0:35:50.820 --> 0:35:52.190 Yeah, exactly, exactly. 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:55.050 I have to admit, I'm probably the more measured one 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.529 who thinks about whether this one thing or the pros 0:35:58.530 --> 0:36:00.689 and the cons, you know. But Jack and Jack's first 0:36:00.690 --> 0:36:03.180 name was not Jack. It'll be gone because his name becomes. 0:36:06.030 --> 0:36:07.469 Oh yeah. 0:36:07.980 --> 0:36:10.920 I mean, everything that comes through. Yeah, everyone like client 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.630 asked this question or whoever. Jack can Jack and me, 0:36:13.650 --> 0:36:18.120 blah blah blah blah. Sure. No problem. You agree. No problem. 0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:20.859 And then after that, bring a ray like Rick. 0:36:21.870 --> 0:36:22.169 All this. 0:36:22.290 --> 0:36:29.580 But if he's not Jack, yeah, he's gung-ho. That is 0:36:29.580 --> 0:36:35.100 the nice man from the podcast. Love it. That's really good, bro. 0:36:35.170 --> 0:36:37.109 Thank you for hanging. Today, we were 0:36:37.590 --> 0:36:39.060 such a great catch up. It's been 0:36:39.060 --> 0:36:42.630 so long. It needs to be much, much quicker that 0:36:42.630 --> 0:36:43.620 we can hang out together. 0:36:43.650 --> 0:36:47.160 I really can't wait to catch gung and re performing 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:48.120 together once again. 0:36:48.420 --> 0:36:51.870 Gig again. Yeah. Oh man, we we we will love it. Hey, 0:36:51.870 --> 0:36:54.299 you guys take care. Stay safe. All the best for, 0:36:54.630 --> 0:36:57.359 you know, the all the businesses that you guys do. 0:36:57.390 --> 0:36:58.589 Yeah. And the families as well. 0:36:58.620 --> 0:37:00.930 And to the families. Congrats against Ray. 0:37:01.110 --> 0:37:05.810 I'm sorry we didn't give you any fighting. You dodged 0:37:05.820 --> 0:37:06.390 a bullet there. 0:37:11.370 --> 0:37:12.600 Well, Jensen, guys. 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:14.970 All right. Big Brother's.