S1: The
S2: Mutton Sandwich podcast.
S3: All right, welcome to the Mutton Sandwich podcast, we're back,
S3: and this is a little show that we actually put
S3: together as an excuse to catch up with our famous friends.
S1: That's right. An excuse was the name drop as well.
S1: Oh yes. You know, sometimes being friends or being associated
S1: with the people that we don't do. Yeah. Kind of
S1: puts it in a good step.
S3: That's right. I mean, after all these years, we did
S3: make some famous friends. Yeah. You know, these are two
S3: guys we love name dropping because we're very alike in
S3: a sense that we're both. We're we're both partnerships. In fact,
S3: welcome to the very first double decker mutton sandwich, but
S3: that's
S1: why it's a double decker. It's it's almost like a
S1: Big Mac, because we're talking to none other than Jack
S1: and Ray. Say, Oh, man, it's nice to catch up
S1: with you guys. You know, we haven't seen you guys
S1: physically for quite a while. It's been a while and
S1: you know, everyone you know, is the reason for that.
S3: Although though you and Ray for a number of years
S3: were neighbors.
S1: Hmm. Right. That's right me.
S3: He moved in first.
S1: Me like,
S4: Yeah,
S3: yeah.
S1: I remember Ray texted me one day of the blue
S1: randomly and says, Hey, I'm checking out this new place
S1: and my my property agent is name dropping that you
S1: live here and he's doing this. I mean it place
S1: because I have a I'll have a celebrity neighbor. I'm like,
S1: Oh my gosh, you collect commission for that.
S3: So your property generally has been going around selling this
S3: property with like this one and stays here, you know,
S3: and that's how he sells the units.
S4: I think so. And you know, what's the funny part
S4: after I moved in and I think I kind of
S4: violated a rule of two by filming here without permission
S4: for talking point on Channel five? Oh yeah. So, you know,
S4: I think that kind of makes our, our condominium, you know,
S4: pretty special. I know
S1: that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
S3: But I didn't recently moved out. So did you feel
S3: this sense of emptiness, loss loss here?
S4: I wonder the value and.
S2: I don't know. But I haven't seen
S4: appreciating for a while. Sounds like. Mm hmm. Something must
S4: have happened and flint and moved up.
S1: Oh my goodness. That's why we're friends. Are we? We
S1: still each other's egos.
S3: Yo yo la tengo you say eagles, eagles. Thank God,
S3: did y'all run into each other a lot?
S1: Couple of times. Yeah, you know, they have a very
S1: strange for for a very small condominium complex. Yeah, we
S1: we we barely only down, I think, because we keep
S1: very different times. Yeah. Yeah, because Ray, I mean, correct
S1: me if I'm wrong, but you always outperform me at
S1: night and evenings and all that, and I'm usually at home.
S1: And then I wake up early in the morning to
S1: go to work and you're probably sleeping at home.
S4: Yeah. So I think I only bum to you once
S4: I think you were driving back from work. Yeah, and
S4: you just passed by in the car, you look.
S1: Yeah, they yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah, I never saw you
S1: at the Super Bowl, never saw you the letterbox. Let
S1: me you. You go to the pool. Oh yeah. Yeah,
S1: all of them. I trained with schooling.
S2: Yeah, yeah.
S3: Fantastic. So it's so good to have both you guys. Yeah, Jack.
S3: That's nice. Let's start with you, men. So I mean,
S3: I guess, you know, the most default question always goes
S3: back to the the the pandemic, right? So I mean,
S3: Jack and Ray, obviously, everybody knows you guys are kind
S3: of just how they know us, as well as a
S3: as a partnership. You almost never see Jack without re-entry,
S3: without Jack, you know? So, you know, when the pandemic
S3: started and obviously all the gigging stopped and and all
S3: that right, how how did it work for Fall for
S3: the Jack and rebrand when that happened?
S5: Wow. I think that that's a good start. That's a
S5: good when it first happened. Me and Ray just stayed
S5: at home in this panic panic and cried for one week.
S3: Right, right.
S1: And that's one of the symptoms.
S2: Yeah.
S5: We just we just panicked, cried and then figured that, OK,
S5: the next thing we're going to have to do is
S5: to get used to the streaming thing, cooking everything up
S5: to a video and all that. So we actually spent,
S5: I think, a good first month or two. I just
S5: literally plugging everything we have together, even up to the
S5: point of trying to jam with each other during CB online.
S5: While we we realize that we cannot, we can't do
S5: that because of the, you know, the streaming speeds. I
S5: still don't.
S1: Exactly.
S5: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, is insane. You don't even do crazy
S5: stuff like, you know, call each other the landline. I mean,
S5: just to save you. But it's so funny. So we
S5: call you just like my brain is landline fast. Maybe
S5: so we like each other. And then we tried to
S5: sing Happy Birthday together, and we realized Landline also got like, So,
S5: so and so we we we can't. We can't do anything.
S5: And then after that, you know, we figured that we
S5: we create a Sunday night streaming show and we were
S5: at home in our respective houses. And that's how we
S5: designed a living with jack and ratio to be somewhat
S5: like a like a talk show and a little bit
S5: of music kind of format. So, you know, the initial
S5: part of TV and you know, the whole pandemic, that's
S5: kind of kind of what we spend the first few
S5: months while
S1: I see Isaiah Washington
S3: talk about having to improvise, pivot and, you know, change
S3: the way you do things right, that is pretty crazy.
S3: But what about now? I mean, obviously, life performances still
S3: don't really happen. Where does it stand now in terms
S3: of the music scene and all that different from from
S3: your point of view?
S4: Well, you know, I think there have been a lot of. Initiatives, yeah,
S4: most people have been trying to come up with stuff.
S4: You know, we had the I think there are some
S4: grants going around as well to try and produce content using,
S4: you know, either live musicians or freelancers or self-employed guys.
S4: You know, and and this extends all the way, not
S4: just the performers, right, but also beck and crew, you know, soundman,
S4: audio engineers, cameramen, everyone. So. So I think these projects
S4: are coming together slowly. I've got some, some on the
S4: way as well. Mm-Hmm. But I think, you know, in
S4: the whole live music, I expect it still. I was
S4: just thinking about this that day, and I know Jack
S4: and I did a concert at the Star Gallery
S1: over the weekend. Oh, yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah, I
S1: saw pictures on socials as well. Yeah, and I look
S3: pretty happening, man. OK? Yeah.
S4: But I mean, it's a fun concert ticket it. You know,
S4: we we had about about 200 ish people dies and
S4: you know, it was great, you know? But the thing
S4: is and I went home and I kind of realized
S4: this and I felt a little bit sad thinking about
S4: it because I realized that, you know, Jack and I
S4: used to do this like, you know, at the snap
S4: of a finger every week. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. They
S4: were performing for people, right? And now suddenly it's like
S4: it's become this privilege rarity that happens once in a
S4: while and people can go and watch you. And I'm like, OK,
S4: I don't know. It is good thing or a bad thing.
S4: You know, I thought of myself and I actually felt
S4: sad because I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I used
S4: to just be able to go out and do that.
S4: And now I can't.
S1: I think it's it's kind of made us realize not that,
S1: you know, things for granted, like, you know, the things
S1: that you think you do everyday and all that, all
S1: of a sudden it gets taken away from you. Exactly.
S1: You just have to improvise and, you know, get used
S1: to the new normal. Yeah, I
S3: mean, case in point to do that is travel like
S3: we used to be able to have some people drive
S3: to J.B. for lunch and come back. Yeah, you know,
S3: but I'm betting that that feels like a lifetime ago already,
S3: you know, also and we're
S1: moving towards that new normal of, you know, let's let's
S1: slowly come back together and and try to get things
S1: to what it was before.
S3: Fingers crossed. All 1:38
S1: of it. Now, you guys have been great. Like you said,
S1: you know, not not so busy as you will before,
S1: not not performing every night. And that's also why no
S1: new album
S2: or more free
S1: time. Yeah, it's all free.
S3: You what you did sing a new song.
S4: We right? So we did write a new song that
S4: we play live and I'm like, Cool,
S1: cool, cool. Okay, now you need nine more to complete
S1: the album, exactly.
S5: But then God, as
S2: you do,
S4: we we should. I mean, I think it was also
S4: a matter of what our focus was, you know? Yeah, sure.
S4: And like Jack mentioned, we're doing the livestream now and
S4: we realized that a livestream show, actually, there's a lot
S4: of preparation. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you have to have the
S4: premiere contain what you're going to talk about when you
S4: have guests on going to do your research about them.
S1: Hey, welcome to our life.
S2: Yeah, exactly.
S4: So and then there's this whole social media game that
S4: you got to play as well know how to how
S4: to make sure your poster effectively got a study that actually,
S4: even as we speak, I'm doing like a little social
S4: media marketing costing, Oh, because, you know, I need to
S4: kind of figure that out, right? Yeah, yeah. So I
S4: kind of realized, yeah, we we were doing all day
S4: and just completely forgot about the music.
S3: Yeah, yeah. Too many things still to to to work
S3: on new things like at one time, write new things.
S4: Nice. We did, but we did write some stuff for
S4: some commercial purposes, you know, like, Oh, nice.
S3: That's where the money is. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah,
S3: you know, you're going to make the dough, have to
S1: pay the bills, man. I mean, you're going to get
S1: no commercials means cannot stand. You're going to
S2: do. Correct.
S1: Right, right. Now, OK, let's let's
S2: zero zero three six.
S1: Seriously, okay. Let's move away from the music business and
S1: talk about you guys as a partnership. And I think
S1: only partnerships like like like us, like mountains and of course,
S1: Jack and Reed understand these things. I bet you guys
S1: get the same question all the time. If, let's say,
S1: Jack is there and do you see buying groceries for
S1: for the home? And somebody runs into
S3: Jay with that's rare
S1: and happens, vice versa. Rare is that doesn't mean that
S1: he's going to end all
S2: this, you mean? Yeah, I know I've done that a lot.
S4: I don't even get hungry. I just get it.
S5: Jay Jay this funny story. Yeah. Though the funny thing
S5: is that when I go to Mecca, for example, they
S5: don't ask me for my order and I give it all.
S5: So she's just doing all this normally. No, no, nothing
S5: at all. It comes up like, I know this. Then
S5: she looked at the both of us eat chicken. Right? Right, right, right.
S5: When I alone. Yeah, you don't. She doesn't recognize me.
S3: You know, she'll always say this. I mean, because happens
S3: to us all the time. So I always say this
S3: as much as we laugh at it. Sometimes times is
S3: it's annoying because like, why are you asking about when
S3: and I'm here, you know? But. I say to you guys,
S3: it's because of the brand you
S1: created, yeah, you
S3: created such a strong Jack and Rey brand there everywhere
S3: you go. You can't see Jack without Ray. You can
S3: see Rey without thinking of Jack, you know, and that's
S3: the brand. And nothing will ever break that bond, that
S3: brand that you had because, you know, you guys are
S3: unique in that sense. So congratulations.
S1: We have very few people that we can, you know,
S1: rely on these kind of things. But you guys are
S1: one of those people that we know you feel the same.
S3: Yes, but and Ernie?
S1: Yeah, actually, absolutely.
S3: Yes, that's a Moslem and Jack Miller, right? And then
S3: there's Jack in the in the mountains. That's it. You know,
S3: these these are the doors that no, OK can. We
S3: can get this because I don't know if I've ever
S3: asked you guys before I ever ever had a story.
S3: How did Jack and Reed meet? Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Wow, aloha.
S3: Who's going to answer that? I'm sure. I'm sure you
S3: guys that a lot, but who's going to answer that?
S4: OK, maybe this is the timeline starts with me. Yes, exactly. Okay,
S4: so all right. Back in 1997, Don was playing with
S4: a different band. My band then was called the strawberries.
S5: Oh wow. I say that it was your Benny the
S5: strawberry I love. I love this.
S1: I love that. So that's a make up mess.
S4: But he absolutely was. And I love you guys, Ben
S4: and John. And, you know, both of them went overseas
S4: to study so solo after that. So when we were solo,
S4: there was this. There was this slot in number five.
S4: So the solo guys will play before the main band
S4: comes on like a woman. Yes, right? Yeah. So I
S4: believe that I was playing number five when Jack went
S4: to audition to play in number five. But Jack could
S4: actually see me before play with the strawberries. So then Jack,
S4: because of bands, right?
S5: Oh, OK, then then when I so I was looking
S5: around for live music, you know, dates by it. Playing
S5: the guitar on my own, in my bedroom. And so
S5: after I saw is to suspend the audition and actually
S5: read anything is I know I do this only recently,
S5: but the first time I auditioned at number five, I
S5: actually got rejected. The guy the guy told me, like,
S5: you know, yeah, maybe you go back and refresh and
S5: try to add more songs. The repertoire? Oh, so sad.
S5: I was like, Oh man, yeah. And funny thing. The
S5: same guy that was in charge of number five. Fast
S5: forward to about five or six years later, he was
S5: actually the manager at Walla Walla, the music, the music guy. Oh,
S5: and so, yeah, that was really small was, Oh yeah,
S5: he was thirty. Yeah, Tony's going to go home. Yeah.
S2: So I dare you, Tony, Tony,
S5: Tony, Tony. Our our he's a good, good friend right now,
S5: but but I bet I was in
S4: the team at Tony time.
S5: OK, Tony time. Yeah, so so just, I think, last
S5: part of your band when you were together. But but
S5: after Tony left, then there's this new manager. So I
S5: just went to audition again. So this other guy said, OK,
S5: you know? And he was obviously nicer to me. So
S5: why did you do the warm up set? You know,
S5: the set. So that's where me and Ray and together
S5: you are musicians. We would turn up at number five
S5: on our respective dates and on some days they got
S5: the schedule wrong. So me and Ray, I mean, mama,
S5: go up the steps in at eight eight, you say, Yeah,
S5: is it your turn on my turn? I never may lie.
S5: You know, why don't you play? So that's how we
S5: kind of got to know each other. Oh yeah. To
S5: be purely and, you know, at number five, bumping into
S5: each other, knowing each other like, you know, as a
S5: solo act, playing a guitar and and yeah, well, OK.
S3: But what was the moment that that that
S1: you decided, you know, let's let's do this together, and
S1: that's done. Infinity and beyond. Yeah.
S4: So it just so happened that after all that happened,
S4: there was another bar that we played at called Barcelona.
S4: It was a Robertson walk.
S1: Yeah, I remember Barcelona.
S4: OK, yeah. Nice little cosy place to play them Fridays,
S4: and I played there on Saturdays. Oh, right. And then
S4: it was the India, so we kind of knew each
S4: other really right then and we go down, watch Jack
S4: once in a while, you know, just say hello, listen
S4: to songs. And I was like, Wow, OK. Repertoires are
S4: quite similar in some senses because they're about the same age.
S4: So I think I think Christmas Eve and New Year's
S4: Eve was coming right towards the end of year. So
S4: we asked the manager, why not, you know, invoke these
S4: special dates like Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve when
S4: we play together. And, you know, more fun, right? We're
S4: like two guys. At least people are partying, you know? Yeah. So, yeah,
S4: so the manager put us there. So that's the first
S4: time that we actually played together for a night. It
S4: is unrehearsed. We just wait and just wait, you know? Yeah, right.
S5: Yeah, yeah. And feel good. Yeah.
S4: And it's competition. And then later on, Jack decided to
S4: go and do his thing and audition at Walla Walla. Right, Jack?
S5: Yeah, that's right. And then after that came in 2002,
S5: when it was, If I jog your memory, Tokyo woke up,
S5: woke up. Soccer was happening. It was in Tokyo. Oh,
S5: it was in Japan. And you know, the Japan timing
S5: and about timing is pretty much the same, right?
S3: Yeah, I was on all day.
S5: Yeah, yeah, best. And all the matches were around the
S5: prime time, you know, when we were gigging. So actually,
S5: the club told us a jack and read, you don't
S5: have to play for a month plus because we want
S5: to screen soccer. We're like,
S2: No.
S5: Yeah. So I being the, you know, the me that
S5: I am, I just went out to audition and then
S5: I heard about $1 and I just went along. I
S5: just like, you don't go and audition. And one one
S5: of our friends actually told us to go and try out,
S5: and they're still doing music throughout the World Cup season.
S5: So that's where I audition. The guy told me that
S5: he saw me play and he asked me whether I
S5: had a partner because I think one of what I
S5: kind of wanted to do the duo thing. Yeah, right.
S5: Big setup. So I said so the first person that
S5: came to mind, I called Mama. So I called up.
S5: I said, I want to come to one of the
S5: jam and we would just audition and see what they say.
S5: And that's kind of how we started up. So when
S5: I auditioned at Walla Walla, the manager looked at me
S5: and Ray didn't know what to do with us because
S5: we are just to do it. Doing Travis, doing Coldplay,
S5: which nobody knew. Yeah, because back in 2000, they were
S5: still considered in the, you know, they were going the
S5: way that I was still Bon Jovi and all of that,
S5: you know, all the big bands and all that stuff.
S5: So they put us on Sunday night. They say it
S5: will be safe. You guys, don't let me put you
S5: on Sunday night, Sunday night, maybe two or three will come,
S5: you know, because most of these quite quiet night. But
S5: if you don't mind, we'll try you up. And that
S5: that day was to infinity and beyond.
S1: I think what a great story. I thought it was
S1: because Ray used to be a better. I thought it
S1: was the shots that go because I've seen him in
S1: bars in my neighborhood, you know?
S3: Yeah, yeah. OK, that's actually great. That's actually a great
S3: transition to the next question because yeah, I know Ray,
S3: as many years you were a teacher as well. Yeah.
S3: So you kind of did it simultaneously, Jack. Did you
S3: ever do anything? Yes, I
S2: did. Oh, what do you? What do you
S5: do? So I always felt like there wasn't a real
S5: job bill. One and only real job I had was
S5: working at. I was actually with Sony Marketing in the
S5: Asia Pacific. OK, so this is OK. So we bring
S5: bring you back to the timeline of like number five.
S5: We were still playing alone. Then I graduated around 2001,
S5: so then I thought it had to go and look
S5: for a job to meet my mum and get happy. Yeah.
S5: So I went a look around and and and and
S5: this job came about. So I joined Sony for three years.
S5: So from two or one two three up to 04,
S5: so I was actually doing marketing for Sony and brothers.
S5: I never told this before, but I was actually marketing
S5: for the the the the personal audio department. So your
S5: your your CD player was a real player and I'm
S5: sure you guys will remember the MVP.
S1: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, sure. Oh my goodness, I will
S1: do that.
S5: Yeah, the more I saw the the how the iPod
S5: came along and any player just got obliterated. Yeah, so
S5: so that's yeah. So that's my job. So after that
S5: awful I quit and music was fantastic.
S1: Wow. Wow. Yeah.
S3: And really, when did you stop becoming a teacher?
S4: I was teaching between 04 and or eight, so I
S4: was about five years and thinking, Wow, oh yeah, so
S4: I graduated around three or four and then, yeah, so yeah,
S4: I was teaching a year in secondary school that I
S4: went to Raffles Junior College, one of the three or
S4: four years, and then decided to take a sabbatical, right?
S4: But the thing is,
S2: what
S1: a great sabbatical.
S3: That's the best event to go, young man. Wow. Wow, OK, OK.
S3: And since so since 2008, both of you have been
S3: doing music full time. Cizik Say correct is correct, yes,
S3: but not quite as well because I don't know the
S3: exact year I want to say 2015, but I may
S3: be wrong. A restaurant came about. Yes. Tell us. Tell
S3: us about. Tell us that story! 2013 Peter Beattie.
S5: Well, yes. 2013 February Valentine's Day. Really correct, right? We
S5: did our first service at The Flying Squirrel, which is
S5: a small, little cozy Japanese restaurant that we own along
S5: I'm--i Street between me and my wifey. So we eat
S5: them ourselves. The three musketeers decided to go on board
S5: this crazy trip to do a journey to again and
S5: back on FNB and and yeah, and that's how they
S5: came about.
S1: That's I mean, I remember we were there for the opening. Yeah,
S1: it's such a great little place. Food is fantastic. Let let.
S1: Let's talk about that. Like, like through this pandemic has
S1: the restaurant businessmen?
S5: Well, it's what it was. You know, thank God the
S5: restaurant is able to run. But honestly, when the first
S5: the first part of the pandemic came right, I think
S5: me and my wife, we just sat down and they
S5: cried because, you know, we we waited to industries that
S5: that that we do musicians. FNB cannot operate, you know, so,
S5: so so you know, we I mean, honestly, we we
S5: we were really we were really scared. But we knew that,
S5: you know, we we had to, you know, buckle up
S5: and just brace through this whole period and then got
S5: for the whole of last year. After we finished there,
S5: we had to phase two. So we really, you know,
S5: PR all the way through till August, September, all the
S5: way through December into this year. And then the heightened
S5: alert came. So, you know, recently it's been a bit,
S5: you know, push pull. So we are just trying to
S5: keep ourselves out, you know, keep everything light. You know, keep, keep,
S5: keep it as best prudent as we can on spending
S5: and and hopefully now, you know, we are, we are.
S5: We are, we are looking, OK, we're looking at that
S5: story anymore.
S3: Yeah, yeah. This is such a it is so uncertain, right?
S3: Because like I it movies in a movie as if,
S3: Oh man, yeah, yeah.
S4: And you guys also still are you guys still enough? Yes. Yes, yes.
S3: Yes. Yeah, yeah. So we're still doing the release. The
S3: all star business at oh yeah, Killiney, you know.
S4: So yeah, we went there. Yeah.
S1: Oh, nice. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.
S3: And I think when it when it first opened. Yeah. Right, right, right.
S3: I yeah, you mentioned to it to us before. And
S3: you know, we're all just you in everybody. If you
S3: sit down, stand by for anything that happens.
S1: Yeah, you never know what's going to happen.
S3: It's just a stupid stand by more like God. He
S3: could announce something I did not. But for now, we
S3: seem OK now, you know, and as long as as
S3: dining can continue, we're all fingers crossed. Yeah. So, so
S3: so yeah, we're all fellow strugglers. Yay. You know, just
S2: so
S1: we're so Jack, you obviously are the more matured one
S1: because you got married. You had a kid early on
S1: and got dark. Yeah, what's wrong? You mean what's going
S2: on with life?
S4: We got married.
S2: You're kidding. No, no. Sorry. But how do we not
S2: know this? Oh, really? Yeah.
S4: Yeah, it's a quite a frankovic, right? So I had
S4: a 10 percent rating. Oh.
S2: Hey, this is why I didn't get invite once every day.
S2: I'm sorry. We didn't know. Oh, congratulations.
S3: Finally, an adult, did you really have a ten percent rating?
S4: Yeah, because when we went to, um, it was only
S4: a you only allowed 10 people max.
S1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
S4: We had our immediate families, which is just nice. 10. Yeah.
S4: And then we went to a restaurant and you allowed
S4: to eat a restaurant as a group of 10 if
S4: it's a wedding party. OK. We actually just had dinner
S4: at at a restaurant nearby. And then, yeah, that's it.
S4: That's my wedding. Yeah.
S1: Well, you know, they kept the same number for funerals. And,
S1: you know, it's kind of the same thing if
S2: you are
S1: R.I.P. freedom, right?
S4: But I also did have a small Hindu ceremony two
S4: months later when and you allowed 50 people. So, you know,
S4: 50 was just nice again for families and super close friends.
S1: And then Fantastic Man, Oh, Congressman, we didn't know.
S3: We didn't know that. OK, so so, so so it.
S4: I'm slightly adulting now.
S1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think
S3: what? What advice did Jack give Ray when he was
S3: about to get married?
S5: Yeah, what do you tell you?
S1: Don't sing at your own wedding?
S4: That's something I definitely told myself. My second one is
S4: the only thing on my wedding.
S2: So do you
S5: see the validity? You agree? At my wedding, I thought,
S5: Hey mama, can you be my emcee and my wedding
S5: singer is right? So he was. He was both. He
S5: was to you.
S4: Yeah. Just come with your kid and your wife, enjoy yourself,
S4: eat some food and go home again.
S3: Right, right, right. Right. And any kits in the works, ray.
S3: Any plans working on it?
S1: OK, nice. Nice. That's great. The human
S3: right. Would it be amazing if Jack's kids and raise
S3: kids from a bed? Well, that would be the most
S3: full-circle thing, you know?
S1: And then Jack and Ray also, you know, kind of
S1: mentor the band or be part of the band. They
S1: can call themselves the Mamas and the Papas.
S3: That's original. No other band is called then. Yeah, I know.
S3: I never heard that before. It's it's it's incredible.
S5: We've got to get we've got to get Brendan's kids
S5: on board as well. Matt? Yeah.
S1: Hey, there you go. Well, good. I'll give them to
S1: you now and then you returned them and then anyone
S5: over you dig out. One is enough for me.
S1: Oh, you was awesome.
S3: Awesome. So it's so good to catch. I mean, I'm
S3: so glad we had this issue. We know Ray's marriage
S3: exactly right. You know,
S2: where
S3: have we been? I know. I know. Really, really, really
S3: cool stuff. So OK, guys, all the best. I mean,
S3: we're all
S1: still in the food business, in the music business business,
S1: you know, family lives as well.
S3: You know, we we kind of wait till we get
S3: hang out again what you guys think again? Yeah, I mean,
S3: I remember the last time we watched you guys play
S3: at an actual concert, I still remember the location we
S3: were in Orchard Central. Yeah, it was for Singapore Airlines. Right.
S3: We were launching Samuel Chris Fly at the time. And
S3: while he was right, yes, yes. All of London women
S3: use Chris five months before we'd go to something like
S3: to do something right. And you guys have experience. Yeah, yeah,
S4: that's kinda attentive.
S3: Is it really what
S1: some call the British Sabrina was? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's
S1: the one.
S3: Yeah. So we were hosting that. You guys played boom.
S3: That was the last time. Yeah, we we did that.
S3: We hosted that. You guys played so badly needs to.
S3: It needs to happen again sometime. Wow. Wow. One more
S3: thing to do before we go and wrap up this
S3: this this is this long awaited catch up session is
S3: to turn the tables. We've been asking you questions for
S3: half an hour now. It's your turn. Is there anything
S3: even though we've known each other so many years? Is
S3: there anything, Jackie we have ever wanted to ask the
S3: mountains too shy to sign autographs short and you get
S3: to ask us back right now? Yes. Come on, Jack. Oh,
S3: Jack Jenkins question right now. Who says, Oh, sorry, I
S3: guess when you told us just to put in the
S3: rules here because we were doing this podcast for a while,
S3: everybody gets to ask the question so that a few
S3: questions you can ask, which is, have you guys ever
S3: fought and have you seen each other naked because everybody
S3: else was doing?
S1: I don't know why they what people want to see
S1: is meet.
S3: The boy was arrested on Sorry, I'm sorry. I bet
S3: you guys get that
S1: question as well. Yeah, that we do. Yeah, I'm sure
S5: you always pointed at me because you know you are
S5: always the red face love be. Do you know you can?
S5: You can't stop laughing. Ray, have you ever seen Jay angry? Oh, right, right, right, right.
S5: So maybe, maybe actually. You know what my question is? Yeah.
S5: So I was going to ask you guys, I think
S5: I can ask you guys the question still, because up
S5: is isn't about fighting, but you know, Justin or Vernon
S5: have ever seen like button. Have you ever seen Justin angry? Oh, Justin,
S5: have you ever seen Vernon angry? Because, you know
S1: you were saying, this is not a fair question. He
S1: sees me angry every day.
S3: So I don't even notice my and because you don't
S3: really hear it on air. But one is a very
S3: angry man. He's always had anger management issues. So he
S3: actually gets angry. Are you kidding? Yes, she is angry.
S3: A lot of small, small things.
S1: No, it's just that I'm surrounded by stupid people.
S2: But to his
S3: credit, I'll say this too is going on over the years.
S3: He's actually manage his anger better. When I first read
S3: the new version, when you first walk together, well, everyday
S3: he was angry at everything like when the vending machine
S3: was of Nescafé. Last, right? Wow. The following morning, he's
S3: called and kicked the shit out of the machine, and
S2: I'm like, Dude, relax.
S3: Oh shit.
S1: Well, the reason I'm not like that is because I'm
S1: all like, Yeah, yeah, I the machine gun. She'll keep
S1: me
S3: bad. As he got older, he got more mellow. But yeah,
S3: I usually solve it, and I've actually seen an angry
S3: man again. But how about you, brother?
S5: Yeah. When have you seen him just being angry? Yeah.
S1: Well, don't be fooled by his jovial misdemeanours. Always laughing, like,
S1: like going for Bender because this guy gets angry. No,
S1: he's he's kind of like, like, like, I think it's contagious.
S1: My my anger has kind of rubbed off on him. Yeah,
S1: and now he's the one that gets angry. Most of
S1: the time. He's always shouting at people, Yeah, well, I
S1: just keep quiet because sometimes I cannot hear them all
S1: and I can't see because like, you know, I'm blind.
S3: So it's so weird because I used to be a
S3: lot more patient.
S1: I used to. I used to laugh, used to say
S1: yes to everything. Even people do stupid things. Or you
S1: all y'all qqq? I do for you now. Oh my goodness,
S1: these guys, the unfriendly is fun. So you know
S3: how best friends? I'm sure that all of you are
S3: like how best friends eventually become like each other. You
S3: think you think or you think each other's happy treats? Yeah, yeah.
S3: So I because of him, I became more impatient. I
S3: started getting angry.
S1: Yeah, and now I'm the angel. I get quiet.
S5: So it's like you got training from the kids.
S1: But yeah, exactly right. Yeah, I mean, if you can,
S1: if you can handle kids, well, yo yo yo patience
S1: is is not that nerdy. Everything else, you know, is
S1: just minor compared to you can handle
S3: anything, right? Ray, did you have a question for us?
S4: Yeah, actually. Interestingly, when did OK? I mean, it's a
S4: it's a continuous question, but how did you guys get together?
S4: That's one, but I want to know. More importantly, when
S4: did you guys realize that, you know, the Matins was
S4: this thing where you came into your own?
S1: Oh, right, from
S4: the moment that moment, you think that something going on
S3: right? Right, right, right. Well, I'll answer that one.
S1: It's funny. Yeah.
S3: So part one that and this is something we've said before,
S3: is that working together as in this, how did the
S3: buttons come together was never our choice in radio. And
S3: you guys have been you guys and you have, you know,
S3: I've been hanging out with radio people for long enough.
S3: You probably know this, but in radio, you whoever works
S3: with who is always a management decision. Yeah. So very
S3: often they let you come down and you and let
S3: me see you. OK. You are the new morning show.
S3: And everybody's like, what? You know? So it's never our choice.
S3: So literally was like that. One day we were sitting
S3: in a meeting and he said, OK, we're going to revamp.
S3: This was back in 1970s. We're going to revamp 987
S3: tour to a new thing. Mark Richman, you guys know him.
S3: He was he was the boss at the time, so
S3: he appointed Vernon and Justin. You're a new morning show.
S3: I what? What an injustice. You know, and you know,
S1: this guy was a wide eyed young little punk who
S1: would just say, yeah, already heard from for the National Service.
S3: Thirty three years old and my whole, my head was
S3: just exploding because like, Oh my God, my medical career
S3: is over before it even starts, you know, because like,
S3: I'm being put in a partnership with this guy who's
S3: 10 years older than me, you know, and like, I'm screwed.
S3: You know, it was the brains. You know, what were
S3: you thinking?
S4: Justin said, When you lose an interest in the partner, you.
S1: Well, I mean, I I had a new whipping boy, Lagos.
S1: I'm going to happen when when I'm angry at things
S1: I think are using it as my punching bag, like
S1: he's got so much meat, right? Sure.
S3: Oh man. It was. It was that moment. You know,
S3: so I never like, Oh God, okay, where do you
S3: punish him? And that's how all partnerships get announced. You know,
S3: they literally spring on to you. So they're like, OK,
S3: we got to make this work right? And then and
S3: then I'll never take it.
S1: Yeah. So so the funny thing is, yeah, we did
S1: this whole new partnership reveal doing a retreat to to kale.
S1: So so we're all, you know, shipped off on a
S1: bus tour to spend time together in kale. And we're
S1: all in the hotel and everything on this announcement was
S1: made and the bosses then Mark and all other bosses said, OK,
S1: you know, we want to meet with each new team
S1: and let's sit down and chat and find out what
S1: ideas you guys have for your new shows. So me
S1: and Justin kind of hung out and sat down and
S1: started talking about radio and what we wanted to achieve
S1: and stuff like that. And the more we spoke to
S1: each other, the more we realized like, Hey, actually, we
S1: were kind of on the. Same wavelength we we we
S1: want that the same things we we knew how to
S1: do things the same way that, you know, be effective
S1: on radio and all that. So we thought, actually, okay,
S1: I can get along and can, you know, hash out
S1: ideas and everything. And then, of course, you know, that's
S1: only the planning stage, the initial stage. Then you literally
S1: get thrown into a new show and you start doing
S1: a show on radio. And the first few weeks was,
S1: you know, the kind of like test or whatever kind
S1: of thing like trial and error. We did some horrible
S1: stuff on radio that, you know, I really don't wish
S1: to remember and stuff like that. But as we as
S1: we moved along, we realized, like it? Yeah, actually, you know,
S1: it's it seems like the show is getting better and better.
S1: We we we wanted to achieve the same things and
S1: we knew how to get to where we're going on
S1: a same wavelength. So and it doesn't happen like like
S1: I've been around the block. I mean, I'm quite a
S1: bicycle radio
S2: and
S1: I've had many partners before. And you know, and I
S1: think felt like like this partnership where, you know, my
S1: partner actually could back me up, man, I could back
S1: him up and we saw the funny.
S3: The key was we barely disagreed.
S1: Yeah. So so all these 16 years that we've been together,
S1: we've never had a major blow argument. Like, I mean, obviously,
S1: I win all the time because I just don't shut up.
S1: But you know, it was, you know, because yeah, so
S3: so I think the moment really you're asking about is
S3: after a few months when I assure you, we don't
S3: disagree on anything. Yeah. You know, everything that you came
S3: up with, I think it's a great idea. Did everything
S3: I came up with is like, Yeah, let's let's try. Yeah,
S3: so and then it became like, Wow, I never had
S3: that before. You know, so, so so yeah, that's awesome.
S3: That's when we we we think we thought it will
S3: go a long way. Yeah.
S1: Well, we still trying to decide
S3: which, OK, I know, I know we're running long. So
S3: I just have to ask you guys back this question
S3: because I feel like you are like that as well. Like,
S3: you don't feel like you ever fight. Check every.
S4: No, I would say we seldom disagree. Is this like
S4: someone if you see something you look like, let's
S3: do this, we, you know, and even if you don't
S3: like your phone, your phone just does this try things?
S3: Is it?
S5: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
S4: I have to admit, I'm probably the more measured one
S4: who thinks about whether this one thing or the pros
S4: and the cons, you know. But Jack and Jack's first
S4: name was not Jack. It'll be gone because his name becomes.
S2: Oh yeah.
S5: I mean, everything that comes through. Yeah, everyone like client
S5: asked this question or whoever. Jack can Jack and me,
S5: blah blah blah blah. Sure. No problem. You agree. No problem.
S5: And then after that, bring a ray like Rick.
S2: All this.
S3: But if he's not Jack, yeah, he's gung-ho. That is
S3: the nice man from the podcast. Love it. That's really good, bro.
S3: Thank you for hanging. Today, we were
S1: such a great catch up. It's been
S3: so long. It needs to be much, much quicker that
S3: we can hang out together.
S1: I really can't wait to catch gung and re performing
S1: together once again.
S3: Gig again. Yeah. Oh man, we we we will love it. Hey,
S3: you guys take care. Stay safe. All the best for,
S3: you know, the all the businesses that you guys do.
S1: Yeah. And the families as well.
S3: And to the families. Congrats against Ray.
S1: I'm sorry we didn't give you any fighting. You dodged
S1: a bullet there.
S3: Well, Jensen, guys.
S1: All right. Big Brother's.