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Speaker 1: Hi hazel, Hey zero, welcome back to another episode of cavities.

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Speaker 1: Were so happy to be back with you and today

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Speaker 1: we're talking about something that

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Speaker 1: it's not just a female centric problem, it affects everyone

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Speaker 1: and we have a special guest in the house. Funky. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. So today we're talking about what life balance

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Speaker 1: tell us a bit more about yourself.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so hi, I'm Sandy and I am a full

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Speaker 2: time as to what is,

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Speaker 2: and I also work freelance at the smart local,

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Speaker 1: wow, holding two jobs at once. She's a simple girl. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You might know her from her instagram handle not Agnes B.

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Speaker 1: What is the reason behind that?

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Speaker 2: There's a whole story to like not atmosphere, but basically

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Speaker 2: in summary, right? When I was in secondary school, it

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Speaker 2: started off as like a joke kind of thing

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Speaker 2: and I just stuck on after that was actually a brand,

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Speaker 2: like on Air B and B. A. And I changed

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Speaker 2: it a couple of times actually like my name and everything,

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Speaker 2: but somehow it just didn't stick like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: you know, eventually I just thought myself,

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Speaker 2: okay, never mind. I'll just create my own branding in

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Speaker 2: a sense. And then that's what happened. It's like a

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Speaker 2: stage name for Yeah, the stage name now. So people

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Speaker 2: always assume, oh, hi, nice to meet you Agnes.

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Speaker 1: I

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Speaker 2: was like,

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Speaker 2: yeah, I mean it has five alphabets from my name

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Speaker 1: close enough. I love that first name, Agnes last name

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Speaker 1: be Okay. So today we're talking about work life balance

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Speaker 1: and I think the thing to know is that in

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Speaker 1: one day we only have 24 hours, you cannot pile

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Speaker 1: so many things up in your life that you don't

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Speaker 1: even have space to breathe. I know some people here

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Speaker 1: do that, we will talk about it later. Um Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so at some point we really have to see okay

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Speaker 1: what are our priorities? So let's get some thoughts from

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Speaker 1: the floor. Okay, very simple. Let's keep it brief. Yes

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Speaker 1: or no, that's what life balance really exist. Have I

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Speaker 1: think 3 to 1.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Starting off on a good note.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know it really is what you

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Speaker 1: make out of it but it is a conscious effort

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Speaker 1: to have that balance right, so maybe we'll go to

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Speaker 1: each of us hazy when it comes to work. Life balance,

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Speaker 1: be honest with us.

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Speaker 1: What is your own experience? There is no balance. I

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Speaker 1: think that is work life balance, just that I choose

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Speaker 1: not to have it. I enjoy working, I enjoy working

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Speaker 1: a lot. I don't mind spending all my time from

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Speaker 1: the moment when I wake up to the moment before

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Speaker 1: I sleep

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Speaker 1: to spend just all work, were playing emails, planning my content,

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Speaker 1: it's fun, it's fun being in our line of work.

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Speaker 1: Radio DJs were content creators. I always enjoy planning my show,

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Speaker 1: thinking of what to put up on instagram next. My

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Speaker 1: ig stories, you know crafting everything. It it just brings

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Speaker 1: huge joy to me. Very, very hardworking.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's like, so pack your boyfriend. Yeah, you, someone that

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Speaker 1: throws yourself into work as well.

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Speaker 2: Um, So okay for me, the thing is like, hey,

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Speaker 2: so I do enjoy, like once I wake up, I

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Speaker 2: And then once I go to sleep, I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: gives me a form of satisfaction and to me as

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Speaker 2: a person, that's what makes me happy. But if you

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Speaker 2: ask me do, I feel like I'm constantly working? No,

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Speaker 2: because the line of work that I do, you don't

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Speaker 2: before my flights, I do get ready. I think that's

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Speaker 2: the most tiring part of my job before flights and

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Speaker 2: after flights because it's the waking up in the wee

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Speaker 2: Covid a lot of flights are in the early mornings.

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Speaker 2: So I do get up a lot earlier and then

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Speaker 2: after flights, oh, that's the worst. Imagine you do 12

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Speaker 2: um I just want to sleep, but you can't because

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Speaker 2: you have to get back home, took a good shower,

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Speaker 2: tiring part of my job. But the flying is honestly like, really? Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you don't feel like I just went to work,

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Speaker 1: You know, what's the longest

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Speaker 2: You're asking me during flying or pre flying or anything.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I think when I used to be in like,

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Speaker 2: polly and everything, I have been awake for nearly 48 hours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I run on coffee and sugar so I

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Speaker 2: can function without sleep. Like I'm someone who can function

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Speaker 2: eventually it's very unhealthy because it takes a toll on

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Speaker 2: your body a lot. But I think ultimately, you kind

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Speaker 2: of have the satisfaction of finishing up whatever work that

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Speaker 2: you have. And in the middle of these, you also

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Speaker 2: do other things. You know, like my form of brick

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Speaker 2: is like, you're on a break, we

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Speaker 1: watch

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. So, I love to watch Friends as like my

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Speaker 1: right, what about you? Like this? She's a champion. Okay.

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Speaker 1: love work. I do think, oh, thank you. I do

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Speaker 1: we are all very lucky that we get to do

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Speaker 1: something that we love every day and does not feel like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, we don't have to drag ourselves to work,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's very important for me, right? Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, we all know that I run on

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Speaker 1: a little bit more energy than most people every day.

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Speaker 1: I do I don't get physically diet

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Speaker 1: but I do get mentally tired. So I need to

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Speaker 1: take that time for myself. And I've consciously made an

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Speaker 1: to understand that what will never end and when

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Speaker 1: I need it I'll put myself us. Yeah. So it

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Speaker 1: may not be the best thing because I think it's

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Speaker 1: very hard for people to reach me. Sometimes sometimes I

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Speaker 1: need to call her husband to reach, sorry you're I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry you're calling at seven a.m. But anyway, I feel

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Speaker 1: like you need to be unapologetically yourself and take time

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Speaker 1: say wait I'm gonna love it, love it. And food

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Speaker 1: for you. She's a champ. What about you jimmy. Well

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Speaker 1: honestly my version of a break, the one thing I

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Speaker 1: That is when my mind rests and that is literally

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Speaker 1: when your brain heals. If you don't get rem sleep

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Speaker 1: Then this becomes a vicious cycle, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So now I'm getting more sleep. 67 hours, that's okay. Right. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from Jimmy Azura, a right, so chill.

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Speaker 1: She's taught me so much in a lot of important

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Speaker 1: moments that just happened over the past few weeks, I

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Speaker 1: just channeled my inner Azura when something just happens and

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Speaker 1: it's huge, right? Like when I get into like a

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Speaker 1: I just think, oh, what would I do and I

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Speaker 1: I ate my dumpling noodles. I felt immensely better after

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Speaker 1: and a very, probably share this with them and they

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Speaker 1: were like clapping for me? I think this guy's motto

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Speaker 1: is if you can't do anything about it, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to stress about it. Exactly. Honestly, that's honestly, it's important. Please.

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Speaker 1: That's, you know, that's all, isn't it? To Justin Bieber's new. So, Oh,

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Speaker 1: sorry, Let's move on. Okay, so let me tell you

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Speaker 1: guys about these concepts. Okay, let's get it down what

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Speaker 1: life balance. This is where you segregate. Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: what this is life. You know when I'm off work,

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Speaker 1: I'm living my life. But these days lines of blood,

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Speaker 1: especially with work from home, right? And with Sandy's case

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Speaker 1: and this is life, but rather everything is life, it's

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Speaker 1: Is the pro, is that okay? It gives you a

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Speaker 1: bit more of a gentle transition. Right? It's not such

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Speaker 1: I cannot do my work right now. Let me live

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Speaker 1: my life. Um the Khan is dead with work from

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Speaker 1: home with technology. You are always on 24/7 and if

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Speaker 1: you don't give yourself that boundary, you're bound to always

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Speaker 1: be working. Who has replied work message at night

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Speaker 1: obviously. Right. Yeah, I feel so bad for my colleagues,

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Speaker 1: you know, because it's the only time I can get

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Speaker 1: back to them three a.m. In the morning after I shower,

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Speaker 1: I sit down, I get to look through my emails.

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Speaker 1: Look my cats, you know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like for me sometimes I do long flights and

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Speaker 2: Uh can you please approve the script this at like

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Speaker 1: have a little bit harder with what they have in

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Speaker 1: their place and things like that.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that, you know, um guys struggle

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Speaker 1: with what life balance a lot as well. I think

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Speaker 1: because of how they see careers in their lives, how they,

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Speaker 1: you know, hold it at such high value. Um I

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Speaker 1: think that is a reason for them to sort of

447
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Speaker 1: struggle with what life balance as well, especially now I

448
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Speaker 1: think a lot of guys are understanding that everything at

449
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Speaker 1: home is 50 50 right? Because women are walking. It's

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Speaker 1: I think they're understanding that it's a together thing, which

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Speaker 1: is great. So that adds things on the plate as

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Speaker 1: well I feel and I think that it's a struggle

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Speaker 1: for them to balance as well. Yeah. So it was

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Speaker 1: an alcoholic and he's the kind who will not eat

455
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Speaker 1: and sit at his desk and he's so skinny and

456
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Speaker 1: my that's dangerous. That's dangerous. He is like that food

457
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Speaker 1: is life and I am that person right who will

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Speaker 1: come in and say listen today you die, the more

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Speaker 1: they replace you, you understand, oh that's but that's true

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Speaker 1: from my mouth is to my

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Speaker 2: dad,

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Speaker 1: but it's true and every time I feel like people

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Speaker 1: spread themselves too thin. I think they really need to

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Speaker 1: remember today. You die tomorrow. They replace you. That's true

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day. No amount of wealth

466
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Speaker 1: is more important than your health. Yeah. Okay. This idea

467
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Speaker 1: of hustle culture, do we feel pressured by it?

468
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Speaker 1: It's not healthy for me to say this, but I

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Speaker 1: actually enjoy it. I think I was in the hospital culture.

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Speaker 1: I'm like what I then that's great. I know it's

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Speaker 1: not good. But I also do indulge myself in workout

472
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Speaker 1: sessions runs. I don't keep my meals at all.

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Speaker 1: I sleep well.

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Speaker 2: That's good. That's great. So that's the thing we compensate

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Speaker 2: for our working with our own like self love kind

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Speaker 2: of things. Which is like exercising and eating and sleeping.

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Speaker 2: Those are important.

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Speaker 1: And being in our line of work when we are

479
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Speaker 1: working out we can also snap a few ig stories.

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Speaker 1: That too is part of content. Right? That's making what

481
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Speaker 1: life integration. There we go.

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Speaker 1: I see, I mean sometimes when I look at Hayes

483
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Speaker 1: is instagram stories and she's up to like three right,

484
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Speaker 1: Well I feel stressed. You know, I'd be up till three.

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Speaker 1: You know what's the problem? The problem is when I

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Speaker 1: see her post, I am still a wig and I

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Speaker 1: see it that's when I know okay I can text

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Speaker 1: uh

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Speaker 1: okay. There's something actually that I need to ask you guys.

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Speaker 1: It might be a very tough question. But I have

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Speaker 1: to put you on the spot, It's called the work

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Speaker 1: paradox triangle.

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Speaker 1: So there are three points of a triangle, right? One

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Speaker 1: of them is sleep. One of them is work. The

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Speaker 1: last one is social life, you can only choose two

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Speaker 1: out of three. So for example if you choose sleep

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Speaker 1: and what you have no social life. Okay, okay, that's

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Speaker 1: the idea which one you would forgo would you forgo work?

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Speaker 1: Would you forgo sleep all your social life life? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go one by 11 by one. Hazy

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Speaker 1: for me social life, I knew it. I can't give

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Speaker 1: up my sleep and work is actually a lot about

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Speaker 1: social connectivity for me. So to me that's the best

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Speaker 1: of all worlds, lucky what with your friends Really? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's

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Speaker 2: true, that's very true. Um for me I think, wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I'll give up social life as well because

508
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Speaker 2: like as much as you guys work with your friends,

509
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Speaker 2: when we fly, we fly with our friends as well.

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Speaker 2: So that's the thing. I think that's the common thread

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Speaker 2: where you realize that when you go to work, you're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: nice to meet you, I'll see you on flight okay

513
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Speaker 2: or you look forward to your roster because you know

514
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Speaker 2: they're going to meet your Yeah, so that is my

515
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Speaker 2: social life and when I met like TSL

516
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Speaker 2: it's also my friends, I'm making videos with my friends.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm going there and drink my

518
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Speaker 2: boss or anything. It's more of like

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Speaker 2: sitting down and having a check, creating content together. So

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Speaker 2: I'm cool. That's my social life, you know, that's my

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Speaker 2: form of a break as well. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: plus Singapore Airlines

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Speaker 2: got very good at it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not in Singapore, just say

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Speaker 1: no, not that just proves who you work with, an

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Speaker 1: environment that you work with is so important. Important. It's

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Speaker 1: crucial that europe, which you know the answer. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to guess, let me save us up. I

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Speaker 1: already wanted to touch about this. So this is very timely.

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Speaker 1: This is a problem. I struggle with answer for me, okay,

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Speaker 1: Which would go right, 123, sleep,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to beat you. They know me too well,

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Speaker 1: but it's true, it's a problem I struggle with um

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Speaker 1: it doesn't help that I don't need as much sleep

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Speaker 1: as I have more energy, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So I don't feel physically tired by mentally tired and

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Speaker 1: I know I'm mentally tired and

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Speaker 1: because I don't want to give up other things,

539
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Speaker 1: I rather forgo my sleep so I can hit everything else.

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Speaker 1: But this woman can really function on no sleep. It's

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Speaker 1: really insane thinking she can function and no coffee as well.

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Speaker 1: I can't if you can't as well, we have a

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Speaker 1: giveaway for you. Stay tuned at the end of this

544
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Speaker 1: episode okay, you're gonna be telling you more,

545
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Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying, Azura can function without coffee

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Speaker 1: and without sleep. That's crazy. She walked till, what time

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Speaker 1: was it? Can you just do a quick recap that

548
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Speaker 1: day with your overnight shoot? Oh gosh, that was terrible.

549
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Speaker 1: I went from radio at five p.m. To nine p.m. Right?

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Speaker 1: And then I reported on 39 30

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Speaker 1: p. M. And then I shot till two PM the

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Speaker 1: next day,

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Speaker 1: like overnight, overnight till morning to afternoon, afternoon, two PM

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Speaker 1: the next day. And I had to be a meeting

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Speaker 1: at three p.m. So I didn't get to go home.

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Speaker 1: I went straight for recording, right for recording and then

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Speaker 1: the show. So I carried on until nine p.m. Again. No.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is that she wasn't even grumpy. Like

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Speaker 1: she was still in high spirit, very happy. I didn't

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Speaker 1: get a bit target, but

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Speaker 1: I don't like angry at the wall because if I

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Speaker 1: were her, I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: that's nice, but please please get your sleep. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I support it. I like

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Speaker 1: it. You love it. You mean you like her energy

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Speaker 1: and the vibe is not the part where she didn't

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Speaker 1: get to sleep.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, honestly, if I was in her shoes,

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Speaker 2: I would do the same thing. I understand because it's

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Speaker 2: like I said, it's something that you like to do.

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Speaker 2: So when you turn up for work, you don't really

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Speaker 2: feel it. I mean, you are mentally drained because you're like,

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Speaker 2: okay, my brain cells are like tired, but physically just,

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Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, you know what, let's go and shoot,

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Speaker 2: let's

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Speaker 1: go. But don't you think you cannot give your best

577
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Speaker 1: for the shoot? No,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel that way. Like for me, there are

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Speaker 2: days where I've landed at like four a.m. In the

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Speaker 2: morning and have a call time for like a shoot

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Speaker 2: at like nine o'clock. So if I landed for means

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Speaker 2: I get back home at 5 30 or six, so

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Speaker 2: by the time I shower and everything, I see the

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Speaker 2: sunrise at seven o'clock, I sleep for like an hour

585
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Speaker 2: and then that's it. I get up at 81 for

586
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Speaker 2: my shoot, but I don't feel tired

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Speaker 1: as much as you don't feel tired. Sometimes we have

588
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Speaker 1: to remember that we can always perform better on more

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Speaker 1: sleep and this is something maybe we don't realize as

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Speaker 1: well and exhaustion compounds. Right? So if you're doing this

591
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Speaker 1: consistently over a few nights,

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Speaker 1: something's bound Giftware once in a while is okay, then

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Speaker 1: you get your rest and all that. I think personally

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Speaker 1: for me it's kind of easy.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I will give up. Okay. I was deciding between work,

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Speaker 1: social life, social life, I'll never give up sleep. That's

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Speaker 1: number one work, I will never give up because I

598
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:05,380
Speaker 1: love money to be honest with you. Social life. The

599
00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: thing is that I like being alone.

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Speaker 1: So I find that I recover the most when I'm alone,

601
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Speaker 1: like Justine Bateman and if I'm doing nothing or whatever

602
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:17,689
Speaker 1: so I can forgo meeting my friends, not them though.

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Speaker 1: I can't forgive them

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Speaker 1: overly attached to the attention of every night honestly. But

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Speaker 1: it's very easy to burn out. Like a lot of

606
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Speaker 1: us have experienced before at some point in our lives

607
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Speaker 1: where we just go too hard and then something gives me,

608
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Speaker 1: is that

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Speaker 1: like right now for you guys, for anyone.

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Speaker 2: So last week I had back to back flights. So

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Speaker 2: in like seven days you do for flight, I wake

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Speaker 2: up at five o'clock every day and then I will

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Speaker 2: fly all the way and I come back maybe past

614
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Speaker 2: midnight sometimes or maybe at 11 or 10 p.m. And

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Speaker 2: then after that you rest for like the next day.

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Speaker 2: And usually that the next day rest you don't feel

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Speaker 2: fully rested because you have to wake up and I

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Speaker 2: don't have jet lag because I've learned how to cope

619
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Speaker 2: with it for a very long time. So if I

620
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Speaker 2: come back really late, even if it's like 12 or whatever,

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Speaker 2: I don't sleep till it's like two AM three am

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting down there on my phone watching Tiktok and

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Speaker 2: going like, you know, because that is my time for myself.

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Speaker 1: This thing about scrolling and that, so this is something

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Speaker 1: that

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Speaker 1: I

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Speaker 1: encounter as well every night I need to sit by

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Speaker 1: myself and I'm just on my phone or just, you know,

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Speaker 1: taking some time for myself even though I'm really tired

630
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Speaker 1: even though I know I should sleep even though it's

631
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Speaker 1: like really late

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Speaker 1: and then I read somewhere that it's called, something like sleep, rebellion, revenge, revenge, bedtime, procrastination.

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Speaker 1: Thank everybody because you have control of your time at night,

634
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Speaker 1: no one needs you and you feel like I'm gonna

635
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Speaker 1: rebel against sleep. I'm going to do what I want.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes I think it's discipline to just put your

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Speaker 1: phone aside and just go to bed because once you

638
00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:56,430
Speaker 1: start scrolling you cannot stop. But what about the both

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Speaker 1: of you

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Speaker 1: when it comes to feeling began to, I think I've

641
00:29:00,610 --> 00:29:03,140
Speaker 1: learned to cope better with it, but maybe about a

642
00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:06,100
Speaker 1: year or a year and a half ago, I felt so,

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Speaker 1: so tired from everything that was going on. I came

644
00:29:08,530 --> 00:29:10,780
Speaker 1: home every day and I cry like every day I

645
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:13,700
Speaker 1: was just crying, I was upset, I didn't want to,

646
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, do anything anymore, but still

647
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: I will say like I suck it, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to do anything anymore. They still show up to ship,

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Speaker 1: you know, I can't forgo that part of my life,

650
00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:24,140
Speaker 1: but I didn't know how to look at it in

651
00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:27,220
Speaker 1: a positive way or say no sometimes and say no. Yeah,

652
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Speaker 1: I find it really hard to turn things down and

653
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Speaker 1: I think um it's really changed my perspective on that

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Speaker 1: even though he might have had a really tough and

655
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Speaker 1: long day when he comes home, he can leave it

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Speaker 1: at work. He doesn't bring it home through the front

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Speaker 1: door and it was very hard for me to do.

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Speaker 1: But now I try to do that as well. You know,

659
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,620
Speaker 1: my problems exist outside of my personal space, let me

660
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:49,170
Speaker 1: decompressed by myself.

661
00:29:49,180 --> 00:29:51,660
Speaker 2: I think that's very important. I think that's something they

662
00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:54,270
Speaker 2: told us to practice when we started flying as well.

663
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,100
Speaker 2: Like literally every time before I step onto the aircraft,

664
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:58,790
Speaker 2: I'll hold aircraft, I'll just touch it and I'm like,

665
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,670
Speaker 2: it's a good fight. So the minute I say that

666
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,490
Speaker 2: it's my way of telling myself whatever shit I've been feeling,

667
00:30:03,490 --> 00:30:05,890
Speaker 2: even I'm sad you leave it outside the aircraft because

668
00:30:05,890 --> 00:30:09,210
Speaker 2: you have 40,000 ft above ground, it doesn't matter, nobody

669
00:30:09,210 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: can read you, nobody cares, nothing, nothing's happening. You know,

670
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,900
Speaker 2: everything is just like a two hour flight, nothing's happening.

671
00:30:14,910 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: So I'll be on that vessel and when I'm leaving

672
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,670
Speaker 2: the aircraft, like,

673
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,110
Speaker 2: okay, that's it. Whatever happened on the aircraft stays in

674
00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:24,030
Speaker 2: the aircraft when we close the doors, that's it. That

675
00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:27,250
Speaker 2: really helps. Like segregate and you tell yourself workers work

676
00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:29,970
Speaker 2: personal life is personal life and if you kind of

677
00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:32,910
Speaker 2: get into that momentum after a while, you helps you

678
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,380
Speaker 2: breathe a lot more. So

679
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:37,860
Speaker 1: that's how you cope with, you know, burnt out. But

680
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:39,970
Speaker 1: what about you hazy, when did you feel the most?

681
00:30:39,980 --> 00:30:42,810
Speaker 1: But so many times in my 4.5 years of being

682
00:30:42,810 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: in this industry, especially because I'm on the night belt

683
00:30:45,410 --> 00:30:48,260
Speaker 1: so very quickly. Sometimes I film in the morning, so

684
00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: I end at 12 midnight. Sometimes I go to sleep

685
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,450
Speaker 1: at like 23 have to be backing me up at seven.

686
00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:54,030
Speaker 1: So I have to wake up at six a.m. Right.

687
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:55,850
Speaker 1: Which means I'm getting like three hours of sleep

688
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: even though it's not one hours, three hours. I still

689
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,780
Speaker 1: feel very, very gentle even though I'm there on set.

690
00:31:01,790 --> 00:31:02,550
Speaker 1: I feel like

691
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,070
Speaker 1: my mind just isn't there. I know that I'm not

692
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:08,100
Speaker 1: getting enough rest and I just asked myself, I'm so cute,

693
00:31:08,110 --> 00:31:15,060
Speaker 1: why do I have to work? You? Cute So see,

694
00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: but it upsets me and I feel a lot more negative.

695
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to binge eat.

696
00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:23,450
Speaker 1: I feel like every chance I get, I want to

697
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:25,940
Speaker 1: just sit at a corner and just snooze and take

698
00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:29,150
Speaker 1: a nap and sometimes you just feel even more tired. Yeah,

699
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,470
Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. So what I can

700
00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: do is just try to schedule

701
00:31:33,540 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: my shoes a bit more further apart. So it doesn't

702
00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:38,780
Speaker 1: affect my radio show at night and I hate it

703
00:31:38,780 --> 00:31:41,220
Speaker 1: when anything gets into the way of my radio show

704
00:31:41,230 --> 00:31:44,870
Speaker 1: because for me, my listeners are first before anyone else.

705
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: I think it really is a conscious decision like you

706
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: have to make for yourself. Exactly. Sure. What about you? Um,

707
00:31:50,650 --> 00:31:53,530
Speaker 1: I have began to notice that I saw go through

708
00:31:53,530 --> 00:31:54,770
Speaker 1: a bed out every

709
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,650
Speaker 1: quarter you mentioned. So every three months I'll feel a

710
00:31:59,650 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: bit off and once I know it's there, right? I

711
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,220
Speaker 1: have to take that little break even if just one day, um,

712
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:09,150
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very important because if not everything

713
00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:10,350
Speaker 1: and the quality of

714
00:32:11,140 --> 00:32:16,220
Speaker 1: my presence is compromised and I, that stresses me out

715
00:32:16,220 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: when I cannot give you my best. Yeah. So that's

716
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,930
Speaker 1: when I know give me some time, let me, you know,

717
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: just sort of like

718
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,930
Speaker 1: rest a little bit, file a bit of fun and

719
00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: just sort of like Rekha liberate before I come back

720
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:35,830
Speaker 1: and continue running absolutely and burn out rate is something

721
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:37,990
Speaker 1: that can cause health problems as well and you don't

722
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:40,490
Speaker 1: realize it. But in the long run it not only

723
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: hurts your productivity, it has been proven

724
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,690
Speaker 1: to cause weakened immune systems as well as cardiovascular disease.

725
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:50,850
Speaker 1: So these could have very real consequences and it doesn't

726
00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:53,670
Speaker 1: help that Singapore is ranked the second most overworked city.

727
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: I thought we were number one. I think Japan is

728
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:57,830
Speaker 1: number one if I'm

729
00:32:57,830 --> 00:33:00,650
Speaker 2: not wrong, but I think they take naps.

730
00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: I saw this article where if someone snapping on a

731
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,050
Speaker 2: cubicle in Japan, they're like, oh, he's working very

732
00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:11,190
Speaker 1: hard to let him rest. But yeah, I think maybe

733
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:13,220
Speaker 1: we can share some tips with, you know, the people

734
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:15,790
Speaker 1: listening right now from our own personal experience, how can

735
00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:17,850
Speaker 1: we cope and deal with burnout because I think a

736
00:33:17,850 --> 00:33:20,490
Speaker 1: lot of people are facing that as well for sure.

737
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: I didn't used to believe in this, but after breaking

738
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,770
Speaker 1: my boyfriend, I found that solo staycations really helped me

739
00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:29,260
Speaker 1: recalibrate a lot. You have been on quite a few

740
00:33:29,260 --> 00:33:32,980
Speaker 1: solos vacations. Yeah. So low staycations is really me by

741
00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:36,830
Speaker 1: myself and then I'll just walk around wherever I'm staying

742
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,060
Speaker 1: just taking the night view and then come back

743
00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:42,350
Speaker 1: by my favorite tackles, spend time by myself.

744
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,530
Speaker 2: I really

745
00:33:43,530 --> 00:33:46,770
Speaker 1: presented to book my next solo staking. That's right. I

746
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:48,770
Speaker 1: think this is a very good way.

747
00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: You guys

748
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,070
Speaker 2: should try. So how often is your soul

749
00:33:51,070 --> 00:33:54,870
Speaker 1: staycation once and only if no, unfortunately no, only if

750
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:57,580
Speaker 1: time allows, but I'm booking it in advance so I

751
00:33:57,580 --> 00:33:59,490
Speaker 1: can block out all other work that comes in the

752
00:33:59,490 --> 00:34:00,110
Speaker 1: way

753
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,330
Speaker 2: and I definitely, I second that notion by the way

754
00:34:03,330 --> 00:34:05,700
Speaker 2: it solo sticking, these are the best. But okay, this

755
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:07,660
Speaker 2: is where like when I flex a little bit,

756
00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: I don't have to pay for my sake keisha,

757
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:11,530
Speaker 1: why?

758
00:34:11,739 --> 00:34:16,330
Speaker 1: Because my company, Oh okay. I,

759
00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:22,310
Speaker 2: I didn't realize the importance of a solo staycation until

760
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: I went, I started flying this year again right? And

761
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,169
Speaker 2: they started putting us, um, obviously in our hotel rooms

762
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: and then I opened the window and I saw the

763
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: sunset into Melbourne and I was like

764
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: yes. And then, I mean I understand people can't fly nowadays,

765
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,150
Speaker 2: but I absolutely love seeing sunsets and sunrise. So on

766
00:34:40,150 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: my aircraft when there's good timings like sunset and sunrise,

767
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,210
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there going like look at you, you beautiful thing,

768
00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: you know, the kind of thing. So those are small

769
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,730
Speaker 2: things that I do to make my self feel good.

770
00:34:51,739 --> 00:34:54,350
Speaker 2: And I think like to cope with burner, I think

771
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,630
Speaker 2: your friends are very important group of people. I didn't

772
00:34:58,630 --> 00:35:01,250
Speaker 2: realize how important friends are because I'm very comfortable in

773
00:35:01,250 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: my own space. I'm a very solo person. Like you

774
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,770
Speaker 2: leave me alone and I'm very, very happy, you know,

775
00:35:06,780 --> 00:35:09,950
Speaker 2: but my friends always have to remind me, Sandy, just

776
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:11,460
Speaker 2: checking in. Don't burn out.

777
00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:14,220
Speaker 2: It's just that one sentence and I will snap back

778
00:35:14,219 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: and be like,

779
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,230
Speaker 2: alright, don't, don't overbook yourself. You don't overwork. So I

780
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:20,830
Speaker 2: think remind us of a very important

781
00:35:20,830 --> 00:35:23,779
Speaker 1: as well. A good support system is very important to

782
00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: always listen to me every night before radio show and

783
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: I just want to say I appreciate you too so much.

784
00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:33,299
Speaker 1: Thank you. We don't have a, I don't have a choice.

785
00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that with the company that you

786
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: keep right, some people take away more energy from you

787
00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: then they sort of like gift to you. So surround

788
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,390
Speaker 1: yourself with people that imagine you're a wilted flower surround

789
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: yourself with people that will water you and kind of

790
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,150
Speaker 1: revitalize you, that's right because

791
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,910
Speaker 2: like if you are with people who literally drain your

792
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:54,750
Speaker 2: energy all the time,

793
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,250
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna keep giving and giving and giving because

794
00:35:57,250 --> 00:35:59,300
Speaker 2: you are a nice person and you're like, oh you

795
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:01,469
Speaker 2: poor thing, let me keep watering you. But when you

796
00:36:01,469 --> 00:36:03,870
Speaker 2: wield it, nobody is going to be there to hold

797
00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:05,860
Speaker 2: it back. Unless you find the right group of people.

798
00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:06,260
Speaker 2: Obviously

799
00:36:06,270 --> 00:36:09,980
Speaker 1: you've got to take care of yourself because if not right,

800
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:12,250
Speaker 1: nobody's going to do that. And that will like we

801
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:15,270
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that will compromise and productivity and it won't

802
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:17,350
Speaker 1: do any good last. So I feel like sometimes you

803
00:36:17,350 --> 00:36:21,500
Speaker 1: really gotta be selfish. Um for me, my phone buzzing

804
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:25,009
Speaker 1: gives me a lot. Anxieties. Everything it does is it

805
00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: stresses me out my heart. Why don't you of the vibration?

806
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,260
Speaker 1: So now it's forever on, do not disturb. So if

807
00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:35,089
Speaker 1: you want to call zero, I have to call it twice. Yeah.

808
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,930
Speaker 1: Just so you know it's true and I know some

809
00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:40,340
Speaker 1: people have gone crazy. Some people being your one,

810
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:43,070
Speaker 1: I don't even bother calling you anymore because I know

811
00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: you're focused on doing all this stuff. But the day

812
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,900
Speaker 1: I decided that you know what I'm going to put

813
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:48,710
Speaker 1: it under all this stuff was the day I realized

814
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: that you know what I need

815
00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:52,710
Speaker 1: to attend you at my own time and I'm ready.

816
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,310
Speaker 1: I cannot make myself readily available. Such that the minute

817
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:58,190
Speaker 1: busses have to go and like you know because when

818
00:36:58,190 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: it does is it does that you. Yeah so it's

819
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: not that I don't check regularly. I checked regularly but

820
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: when I'm ready when I feel okay open I replied

821
00:37:07,330 --> 00:37:10,750
Speaker 1: when you have the capacity for it. Absolutely. I think

822
00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: sometimes you know I used to have this problem as

823
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,510
Speaker 1: well where when someone texts me I feel like I

824
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:17,509
Speaker 1: have to be there for them immediately. But the truth

825
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:18,450
Speaker 1: is you don't

826
00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:21,190
Speaker 2: and I think we should normalize that honestly. But for

827
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: me like even now like if you go to my

828
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,339
Speaker 2: notifications there are quite a bit of notifications

829
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:26,540
Speaker 2: but I wake up and I'm like

830
00:37:26,730 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: I don't have the capacity to to reply you at

831
00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: this point of time. So let me get to a

832
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,300
Speaker 2: stage where I'm ready and then I will have a

833
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:35,549
Speaker 2: conversation with you. But a lot of people actually do

834
00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: take offense to that.

835
00:37:36,489 --> 00:37:38,830
Speaker 1: They do, they do. And I think I've had multiple

836
00:37:38,830 --> 00:37:41,250
Speaker 1: conversations about this where people think

837
00:37:41,330 --> 00:37:43,860
Speaker 1: you know it's become a culture where it is almost

838
00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: expected that you reply immediately if not its root right?

839
00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:51,779
Speaker 1: And it's almost become like an obligation but since when

840
00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:53,660
Speaker 1: was it like that? You know just because

841
00:37:53,830 --> 00:37:56,700
Speaker 1: you have your phone on you just because it's available.

842
00:37:56,710 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: I think people forget that sometimes the person is not available.

843
00:38:00,969 --> 00:38:02,129
Speaker 1: Yeah

844
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,609
Speaker 1: and you know like back then when it wasn't like

845
00:38:04,610 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: so fast that you didn't have, like instant messaging and

846
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: things like that. It was a norm that people could

847
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,450
Speaker 1: take that time. And I think that's why it's even

848
00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:14,290
Speaker 1: correct days even because if you have no means of

849
00:38:14,290 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: communication

850
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,310
Speaker 1: and that's okay, but just because you have the means

851
00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:21,150
Speaker 1: of communication, what makes it obligate early? You know, I mean,

852
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: I think from now on I'm not going to use

853
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: my phone anymore. If you want to reach me, you

854
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,540
Speaker 1: can send me a snail mail,

855
00:38:26,620 --> 00:38:29,370
Speaker 1: okay? Send me a snail mail. I get back to

856
00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:32,910
Speaker 1: you within three working days. That's the mail comes to

857
00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:35,140
Speaker 1: your working. Yeah, Yeah, that's the only way you don't

858
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:38,230
Speaker 1: fax me anything. I want to answer it. But yeah,

859
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:42,089
Speaker 1: I think personally for myself, when I plan my calendar

860
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:44,500
Speaker 1: out in my schedule, all right, I will not see

861
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:47,509
Speaker 1: it as I try my best to not fill every

862
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:50,180
Speaker 1: waking moment with the work of the item. You know,

863
00:38:50,180 --> 00:38:51,950
Speaker 1: I leave some pockets of space. You know, you can

864
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:54,770
Speaker 1: really see visually. I'm a visual learner right? There are

865
00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:57,430
Speaker 1: empty spaces in my calendar maybe once a week where

866
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: I know this is for myself, I can go out

867
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,660
Speaker 1: for dinner. I can do whatever, but I'm not going

868
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:05,220
Speaker 1: to work. You have a good balance. That's right. So

869
00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:08,930
Speaker 1: if some of our harsh listeners are facing problems facing

870
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:11,989
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure here are some tips about dealing

871
00:39:11,989 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: with burned out. First of all, I think it's very

872
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,910
Speaker 1: important to set clear boundaries between work and personal life.

873
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:20,710
Speaker 1: Something that I think we're finding myself to learn. That's right. Okay.

874
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,700
Speaker 1: The lines are of course easily blurred especially with work

875
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:24,339
Speaker 1: from home

876
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,370
Speaker 1: and it would be healthy to have certain areas at

877
00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:31,140
Speaker 1: home for work and certain areas for sleep and play. Yeah,

878
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Speaker 1: don't bring your work into the bedroom for example. So

879
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: this gives your mind a certain boundary as well. I

880
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: think it's also good to have a wind down routine

881
00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:42,450
Speaker 1: where you can train your brain every night. Okay

882
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,150
Speaker 1: I will put outside my phone maybe I will

883
00:39:45,219 --> 00:39:47,669
Speaker 1: take a deep breath or something like that. Um I'll

884
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:49,990
Speaker 1: watch a bit of tv and that's my wind down routine.

885
00:39:49,989 --> 00:39:52,580
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to go to sleep then you

886
00:39:52,580 --> 00:39:54,450
Speaker 1: don't come back out of it and then go party

887
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Speaker 1: or something like that. That's not how it works.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's how they kind of train babies as well.

889
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Speaker 2: After seven, a few months you will introduce a routine

890
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Speaker 2: to them. Okay? You'll have your milk, milk and then

891
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Speaker 2: you'll take maybe a warm bath

892
00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:09,690
Speaker 2: and then we'll snuggle you to sleep and you will

893
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Speaker 2: eventually fall asleep. I want to be a baby. I

894
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Speaker 2: know that's what they

895
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Speaker 1: saw some baby. Right? Yeah this one I resonate with.

896
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,930
Speaker 1: It says um switch off email or phone notifications and

897
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Speaker 1: disengage from work obligations. So you know it's just

898
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Speaker 1: making a point. We also have a producer note which

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Speaker 1: produces this heads up please. And I think this is

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Speaker 1: a very good habit. She says I mute my work

901
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:41,029
Speaker 1: chats after 6:30 p.m. Sorry for the delay in responding

902
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Speaker 1: to your questions. She says I also sometimes don't reply

903
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Speaker 1: to work related questions on the weekend,

904
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Speaker 1: but if I do it'll be brief and it's likely

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Speaker 1: followed with something like I'll get back to you in

906
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Speaker 1: detail on monday. Oh, this is true, this is true.

907
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Speaker 1: She's ever said this to me. So the moment I

908
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Speaker 1: read this producer notes, I knew right away, it must

909
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Speaker 1: be producer. And but I respect this. Exactly. This is very,

910
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:07,220
Speaker 1: very important. And she says very clear boundaries for herself,

911
00:41:07,219 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: which I think is a very good learning point. I

912
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Speaker 1: think there are many ways that, you know, you could

913
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Speaker 1: cope with burnout, but it is important to know at

914
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Speaker 1: this point

915
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Speaker 1: that some people simply don't have a choice. Let's say,

916
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Speaker 1: you know, you have financial constraints, Maybe you're a single parent,

917
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:23,750
Speaker 1: you might not be able to de market work in

918
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:27,049
Speaker 1: life and have that luxury. You might have to dedicate

919
00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: your whole life to work and we really respect you

920
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,549
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah. So do what works for you. And

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Speaker 1: as long as you stay mentally healthy. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the most important part.

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Speaker 1: All right, so the million dollar question, do you girls

924
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Speaker 1: think that it is possible to achieve work life balance 321? Yes.

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Speaker 1: I may be working hard now, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'll be working so hard forever. I'm working hard now

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Speaker 1: for me to relax in the future. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: But if what now

929
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Speaker 2: life

930
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Speaker 1: later? No one is considered, balance is so hard for me.

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Speaker 1: It's my my focus at this point in life because

932
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Speaker 1: I don't have a partner, I don't have exactly.

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Speaker 1: Um it's okay for me to channel all my all

934
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Speaker 1: my energy into work. But in the future things are

935
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Speaker 1: gonna change and I know for sure I'm going to

936
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Speaker 1: take a step back, I'm going to focus on my family.

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Speaker 1: So then when you're ready to do this. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: when I'm really in my own time, I will foundry

939
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Speaker 1: in touch about, you know, um

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Speaker 1: some people don't have a choice. I feel like there

941
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Speaker 1: are people out there who feel at this point in

942
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: their lives it does not exist and it's almost impossible.

943
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Speaker 1: And I think these are, I actually know someone like that,

944
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Speaker 1: you know, where she is a mother of two young

945
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: kids um working from home is tough because the kids

946
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Speaker 1: are around all the time and she doesn't have family

947
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Speaker 1: where she can rely on to, you know,

948
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Speaker 1: send them away. So, you know, people say it takes

949
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Speaker 1: a village to raise a kid and I believe it's true,

950
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: but when you don't have a support system and when

951
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:56,930
Speaker 1: you are the only thing that they have,

952
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,419
Speaker 1: then how do you ever find that time for yourself? Yeah,

953
00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:05,509
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, sure. And that's why a good support

954
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: system is very important. You know, if you have the

955
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Speaker 1: luxury of doing so of having friends, having a good family,

956
00:43:11,810 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: good colleagues and all that. Cheryl Sandberg actually mentioned

957
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,420
Speaker 1: That her husband having a good supportive husband is very

958
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:20,980
Speaker 1: important and it's not say that your husband has to

959
00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: be there for you 100% of the time, but it's

960
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: just the little things like, oh maybe he drops you

961
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Speaker 1: off at work, he picks you up from your gig

962
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:30,270
Speaker 1: from the airport or something like that. He's supportive of

963
00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: whatever that you wanna do. Yeah, I think mentally that's

964
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,250
Speaker 1: very important. So sandy, who is a support system? Is

965
00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:37,110
Speaker 1: it your family?

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Speaker 2: Um wow, that's a, that's a very big question.

967
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:44,379
Speaker 2: I would say, my friends, your friends because as much

968
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Speaker 2: as my family is my support system, my sister is

969
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Speaker 2: like most priority. So I come back home my distress,

970
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: she's 11 by the way. So she's a kid. Yeah,

971
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: I feel I have to put that in because a

972
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Speaker 2: lot of people don't get it like why she's like

973
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:58,660
Speaker 2: my distress tool. So imagine you come back from a

974
00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:01,410
Speaker 2: really long flight and then she's like hi and she's

975
00:44:01,410 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: always hugging me, so we're very, very close. She's always

976
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,710
Speaker 2: like sleeping on top of me, she doesn't sleep without me.

977
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Speaker 2: So I realized that I get very attached and I

978
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:11,500
Speaker 2: can't sleep without her too. So she specifically is one

979
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Speaker 2: of my support systems. But I think my fundamental, um,

980
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:18,420
Speaker 2: support is my friends because we're all from the airline industry.

981
00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:21,910
Speaker 2: So everyone knows that I will schedule is like super erratic,

982
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: Nobody is like in Singapore at the same time. And

983
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,420
Speaker 2: if we are, we try to meet up

984
00:44:25,489 --> 00:44:28,910
Speaker 2: or we like facetime each other just to remind ourselves like, hey,

985
00:44:29,090 --> 00:44:31,170
Speaker 2: we are here for you. So we could be having

986
00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: issues sometimes with work, sometimes personal life, but because we're

987
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,180
Speaker 2: always there somehow for each other, you don't feel you're

988
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:41,290
Speaker 2: so alone. You don't feel so bogged down by everything

989
00:44:41,290 --> 00:44:41,870
Speaker 2: as well. So

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Speaker 1: it's very important, you know, that your friends understand imagine

991
00:44:44,739 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: having friends or maybe a partner who comes to you.

992
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:48,310
Speaker 1: Like

993
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:52,469
Speaker 1: why do you not have time for me? I so long. Like,

994
00:44:52,469 --> 00:44:54,710
Speaker 1: you know, do you forget about me? Like that's very selfish.

995
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: I have friendships. You know, and I didn't realize that

996
00:44:59,290 --> 00:45:02,850
Speaker 2: that was actually something that I didn't expect because all

997
00:45:02,850 --> 00:45:05,660
Speaker 2: my friends were very understanding, like all my life because

998
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:07,270
Speaker 2: you know, I take what I want to reply messages

999
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: like I said, I look at the message, I'll read

1000
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Speaker 2: it and I'll be like, I don't have the capacity

1001
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Speaker 2: to reply

1002
00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:17,670
Speaker 1: to all the time. Yeah, in my hair I reply with, Yeah,

1003
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,300
Speaker 2: like one week later you're like,

1004
00:45:19,390 --> 00:45:22,450
Speaker 2: oh my God, like, hello, you know the kind of thing,

1005
00:45:22,590 --> 00:45:23,010
Speaker 2: but

1006
00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:26,010
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was considered a high maintenance friendship

1007
00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: because recently someone told me, I just feel like you're

1008
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,290
Speaker 2: never there for me and I think that hurt me

1009
00:45:31,290 --> 00:45:33,469
Speaker 2: the most, I think I've never gotten that hurt in

1010
00:45:33,469 --> 00:45:35,890
Speaker 2: a very long time. But is it true though to me,

1011
00:45:35,890 --> 00:45:39,150
Speaker 2: I thought I was there the whole time because the person,

1012
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,299
Speaker 2: I'm really confided in me much. It was mostly me

1013
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:44,410
Speaker 2: confiding in them. I believe in

1014
00:45:44,590 --> 00:45:47,110
Speaker 2: you can't be helped if you don't want to be helped.

1015
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,330
Speaker 2: So that's my logic in life. So if you don't

1016
00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:50,430
Speaker 2: come up to me and say that I have a

1017
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:52,339
Speaker 2: problem son, you can you help me with it? I'm

1018
00:45:52,340 --> 00:45:53,310
Speaker 2: not going to be like,

1019
00:45:53,890 --> 00:45:56,420
Speaker 2: are you okay? Do you have a problem? I'm not

1020
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:57,950
Speaker 2: gonna dig it out of you as much as I

1021
00:45:57,950 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: care for you as a friend. I put myself first.

1022
00:46:00,489 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: You know, I have a lot of things to do

1023
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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so when it comes to work, life balance, do

1025
00:46:05,580 --> 00:46:08,630
Speaker 1: what works for you find your own ways to decompress.

1026
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,990
Speaker 1: I think self love, Self care. Self focus is very

1027
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,790
Speaker 1: important as well. For me,

1028
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: good coffee is the most important. Of course. Right? What

1029
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:17,820
Speaker 1: is your order

1030
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Speaker 2: from me? It's like a caramel. Macchiato me,

1031
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Speaker 1: the biggest coffee drinker, are you guys know my order? Okay.

1032
00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Oh latin latin both works. I love my coffee. So

1033
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Speaker 1: today if you're struggling with work life balance, you feel

1034
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:36,700
Speaker 1: like you need coffee in your life.

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00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:40,739
Speaker 1: We are very happy to be giving you 4 $50 vouchers.

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00:46:40,739 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: That's right. It's this lovely cafe, very near to where

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00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,180
Speaker 1: we work actually and it's the perfect place to go

1038
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:48,660
Speaker 1: for a nice cafe date. So if you want to

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Speaker 1: win this, the secret emoji, you have to take note

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Speaker 1: off its coffee. Like the cute little coffee cup of coffee.

1041
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: Go on our instagram at its clarity dot co drop

1042
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,940
Speaker 1: it in the comments and our heaviest coffee drinker will

1043
00:47:01,940 --> 00:47:06,649
Speaker 1: pick the winner. Crazy, impressive. Okay impress me for comments.

1044
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:10,009
Speaker 1: I can see you on instagram at its clarity dot com.

1045
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Speaker 1: So with that thank you so much for tuning into

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00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:15,190
Speaker 1: this episode of clarity's got,

1047
00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:17,340
Speaker 1: make sure you check us out on wherever you listen

1048
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Speaker 1: to your podcast, Spotify, Apple podcast, me listen and stay

1049
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,460
Speaker 1: tuned to find out when the next episode drops And

1050
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:25,110
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to have visuals, right? You

1051
00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:27,540
Speaker 1: want to see us, you know, talking about all these things,

1052
00:47:27,550 --> 00:47:30,350
Speaker 1: just go into youtube. It's clarity dot co you can

1053
00:47:30,350 --> 00:47:33,820
Speaker 1: also drop us a comment. Like well appreciate that once again,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening. I'm hazel, I'm Missouri

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Speaker 1: I'm

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Speaker 2: jane and I'm Sandy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you