1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Build Different is a production of the American Association of 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Christian Counselors. To support this podcast and learn how you 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: can help us to promote all our biblical content, spread 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: the Gospel, and provide mental health resources and training to 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: people everywhere, just go to aaccfoundation dot org. Again, that's 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: Aaccfoundation dot org. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Built Different. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: I'm Zach Clinton, your host, and each week I come 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: to you exclusively on the Life Audio podcast Network. 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Now let's roll. 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back in to another edition of 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: the Built Different Podcast. As always, I'll be your host today, 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: doctor Zach Clinton. It's always an honor to have you 24 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: joining us. You know, throughout the month of July, our 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: theme here on the podcast has been one simple word freedom. 26 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: As we celebrate America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, we've 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: been reflecting on what freedom truly means, the incredible price 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: that has been paid to preserve it, the responsibility each 29 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: of us have to steward it well, and ultimately, the 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: deeper freedom that can only be found through the person 31 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: of Jesus Christ. You know, freedom has never been free. 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 2: The liberties we enjoy today have been secured by generations 33 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: of courageous men and women who willingly sacrifice so that 34 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: future generations like myself could live in hope. As we 35 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: commemorate this historic milestone in our nation's story, it's an 36 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: opportunity to look back with gratitude, to honor those who 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: have served, and to ask ourselves what kind of legacy 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: we're leaving for the generations that will follow. There are 39 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: few people better equipped to help us navigate that conversation 40 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: than today's guest. I'm honored to be joined by Lieutenant 41 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: General William Jerry Boykin, retired three star General. General Boykin 42 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: spend thirty six years serving our nation, including as one 43 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: of the original members of the legendary Delta Force. He 44 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: later commanded both Delta Force and the US Army Special 45 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: Forces the Green Berets, before serving as the Deputy under 46 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, helping lead our nations fight 47 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: against terrorism. Yet beyond his extraordinary military career, what has 48 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 2: always inspired me most is his unwavering commitment to the Lord. Today, 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: General Boykin serves as the executive vice president of the 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: Family Research Council, continues his ministry as an ordained pastor, 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: and faithfully encourages Christians to stand boldly for Biblical truth, 52 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: reminding us that while we must remain vigilant in defending 53 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: our freedoms, the greatest battle we will ever fight is 54 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: ultimately a spiritual one. General Boyk, and my friend, it's 55 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: truly an honor to welcome you into the built Different 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: Podcasts today. Thank you so much again for your faithful 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: service to our country, your steadfact witness for Christ, and 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: for taking the time to join us today. 59 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: Welcome in, my friend. 60 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much, and it's a privilege to 61 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 3: be with you today. 62 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: General. 63 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: You know I've spent some time around you over the years, 64 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: and I know my dad is just continue to admire 65 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: you from Afar for countless years. You've spoken at many 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: of our events, I can think back to AACC counseling events, 67 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: our Ignatement's impact weekends. God continues to have his hand 68 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: on your life. But as we begin today, I just 69 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: kind of wanted to check in with you since it's 70 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: been a couple of years. Just how are you doing, 71 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: how's your health, how's your family, your kids, your grandkids. 72 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: What's God been teaching you general in this season of life. 73 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. What the Lord, I think 74 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: has said to me is finish strong. Finish strong. I mean, 75 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: I'm seventy eight years old and I may live another 76 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: twenty years, but anyway you look at it, I'm on 77 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: the other end now of my life expectancy. So I 78 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: like the Lord is saying to me, finish strong, and 79 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: that means don't go sit on the sofa and watch television, 80 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: but get out there and help to build my kingdom 81 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: and help to bless my people. And that's what I'm 82 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: trying to do. 83 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: Amen, my friend, Finish strong. That's a clarion call, I 84 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: think to each and every one of us, because we 85 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: all have that call in our lives. We're not guaranteed tomorrow, 86 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: but making sure that we're living a life that is 87 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: in a sense worthy or honoring of the sacrifices that 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: have been made on our behalf, not only honoring the 89 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: Lord and what he has given us through the gift 90 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: of grace and eternal life, but also the brave men 91 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: and courageous women who have continued to fight for our 92 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: freedoms and our liberties each and every day. I kind 93 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: of want to transition into that point here with you, General, 94 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: because I'm thinking about what we're getting ready to celebrate 95 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: upon the release of this conversation. It'll be a couple 96 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: weeks removed from the fourth of July, but we're continuing 97 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: to celebrate America's two hundred and fifty at the anniversary, 98 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: and I'm just thinking about what makes America special to 99 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: somebody like yourself who's quite literally sacrificed and served and 100 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: bled for this country. My friend, What are the ideals, 101 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: what are the values? What are the things that you 102 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: believe make America worth preserving and protecting and fighting for. 103 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for that question, and I will tell 104 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: you I think one of the problems we have in 105 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: this nation today is people don't know their history, the 106 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 3: history of the nation. 107 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: And I have made it a. 108 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: Something that I really do in a concerted way, is 109 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: a study history. I study history of all kinds with 110 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: I mean American history. I study the war, you know, 111 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: I studied the founding and I study all those things. 112 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 3: But what I believe is necessary is we'll never know 113 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: what those founders left us unless we study and know 114 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: what they said, know what they wrote, know what they did, 115 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: all the things that would help us to appreciate and 116 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 3: understand what they were all about and what they did, 117 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: and the sacrifices that they made. And if you don't 118 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 3: realize that America made a lot of sacrifices, our founding 119 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: fathers made a lot of sacrifices, Our generations have made sacrifices, 120 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: particularly those in the military, those in the first responders 121 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: and that type of thing. And I just think it's 122 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: so important and people, I don't know why people don't 123 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: enjoy history. I mean, it's like opening up something that 124 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: will just bless your heart. And I would like to 125 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: see I'd like to see it back in the classroom. 126 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: I'd like to see it mandatory back in the classrooms 127 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: of our universities and colleges, because you may not realize it, 128 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 3: but there are colleges in fact most colleges, you don't 129 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: have to take an American history class to graduate, and 130 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: I think that is just unacceptable. 131 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I'm going to stop this right 132 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: there and jump into say you're listening to build different 133 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm Zach Clinton. We need to break for a brief 134 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: message from our sponsors. I'll be back with our guests 135 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: to keep the conversation flowing right after this. You're listening 136 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: to Life audio, Jenny. I'm thinking about the word identity, 137 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: like who we are as a nation. In order to 138 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: understand our identity, we first have to understand our history. 139 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: So where are we going depends a lot on where 140 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: we've been and making sure we don't make the same mistakes, 141 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: but also at the same time, making sure that we're 142 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: carrying on the lineage and the legacy of those who 143 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: have gone before us. If we're really going to be 144 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: the generation that stands on the shoulders of the giants 145 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: walking before us, we have to understand what those giants 146 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: have done, where they've been, the places they've gone, the 147 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: things that they've done, so that way we can replicate 148 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: the good and maybe we can continue to create some 149 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: changes where maybe things could be better, you know, I'm 150 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: just grateful though, for people like you. And again, when 151 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: I think of you, I think of three words. You're 152 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: a servant, You're a leader, and you're a warrior. 153 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 4: Sir. 154 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: You're somebody who understands what it means to fight in battle. 155 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: And I think I would like to understand a little 156 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: bit more of your backstory backwater today. When did you 157 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: really feel called into service, general, to be able to 158 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: risk it all for the liberties that we have. 159 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: And you're not going to believe me what I tell you. 160 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: When I was about seven years old, Wow, my dad 161 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: was word it own d day he lost his left eye, 162 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: and he. 163 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 4: Was my hero. 164 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: And as I would see him a civil with his 165 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: brothers who were all in World War Two with him, 166 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 3: and with his friends that were on you know, that 167 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: were with him as well, I would listen intently and 168 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: I made up my mind right then I was going 169 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: into the military and I was going to serve like 170 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: my dad did. And that never went away. In fact, 171 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 3: it only got more. It got more important to me 172 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: that I do that, and ultimately I finished. I finished. 173 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: I actually understood why I was feeling the way I was, 174 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: and that was because I wanted to make my dad proud, 175 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: because I was so proud of him, and he was 176 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: a man that he served in the Army, the Navy 177 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: and spent thirty two years with the Marine Corps as 178 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: a civil serve, but to include a tour in Vietnam 179 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: as a civilian. 180 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 4: Wow. 181 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: And everything he did encouraged me to want to serve 182 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: the nation in the armed forces. And I was fortunate 183 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: enough and blessed enough to be able to serve for 184 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: seventy six years sixties. Sorry about that thirty six years. 185 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just thinking much to be able to 186 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: do that, absolutely, and I'm so grateful that I was privileged, 187 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: like you to have had a great dad, somebody that 188 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: I look up to, somebody that I continue to emulate, 189 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: as you know, view him as a hero in my 190 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: life and wanting to continue to follow in his footsteps. 191 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: And I just think about that dream, that vision as 192 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: a seven year old boy to then have stepped onto battlefields, 193 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: all the different operations, all the different missions, Mogadishu's Somalia, 194 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: Blackhawk Down, all of these things that we hear in movies, 195 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: but we don't understand the depth of war, general, And 196 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about you, and you know, I love 197 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: that idea of wanting to make your dad proud because 198 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: of how proud of him you were. 199 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking. 200 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: About the grace of God, the forgiveness of God, the mercy, 201 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: the love that He offers each and every one of us. 202 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: They're not things that we can earn, but there are 203 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: things that we can honor every day of our lives. 204 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: We can live in a way that we hopefully will 205 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: make God proud as well, not saying that we have to, 206 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: but that we get to. 207 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: I just would be interested. 208 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: As you stepped foot on all these different battlefields and 209 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: you probably saw heinous acts of evil and just a 210 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: lot of hard things you probably brought home with you. 211 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: In what ways did you see. 212 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: God's fingerprints all around your story and your testimony, especially 213 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: in the line of battle. 214 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: It's that's interesting, and I could tell you several things, 215 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: but we don't have time for all of it. But listen, 216 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: I the Lord is with me from the time that 217 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: I came into the military. The first week in the military, 218 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: I actually got down on my knees at Fort Benning, Georgia, 219 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 3: and I said, Lord, I'm tired of running, and if 220 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: you'll clean me up I'll serve you, and. 221 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: He did, and. 222 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: I have never turned back. Now I've you know, I've 223 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: done these things and things that I shouldn't have done, 224 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: but He's always forgiven me for those things. So I 225 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: got shot pretty bad one time, and I was shot 226 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 3: with a fifty caliber and I was hit up in 227 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: the side of my chest and then right up through 228 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 3: my armpit, and I was bleeding real bad, and I 229 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: was just saying, Lord, have you abandoned me? Lord, have 230 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: you abandoned me? 231 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 4: God? 232 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: Have you abandoned me? And they just kept going over 233 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: and over and over, and then pretty soon I see 234 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: this Marine Corps I'm army. Now you see this Marine 235 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: Corps helicopter that's coming in to pick me up to 236 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: meta BacT me. And I had heard them when they 237 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: were talking on the radio. I heard that they said 238 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: they thought I was expectant, which means they expected me 239 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: to die. 240 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 4: Wow. 241 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: And all I could think of was, God, have you 242 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: abandoned me? And as they carried me out to get 243 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: me on a helicopter, I saw somebody hanging out of 244 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: the window and he was giving me a thumbs up, 245 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: and I said, I couldn't figure out what was going on. 246 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: So I I looked to blink my eyes and I 247 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: looked up. 248 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 4: And it was a guy. 249 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: That I grew up with, and he and I and 250 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: our families. Only three weeks before this, we had gone 251 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: to Disney World together with our families. He had no 252 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: idea who he was coming after, and he was flying 253 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: a helicopter that he was not supposed to fly because 254 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: it had some maintenance problems. But he said to his his, his, uh, 255 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: one of his people there, he said, jump in on 256 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: the co pilot side. I'll jump in on the polot side. 257 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: And he said, I'm gonna fly this thing because we 258 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: got a man that is going to die if we 259 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: don't go and get him. And that's what he did. 260 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: He came and got me. I didn't know he was coming, 261 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: and he didn't know that I was the one. And 262 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: that's when this in my spirit, the Lord said to me, 263 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: I didn't abandon you. I sent your brother. 264 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 4: To get you. 265 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: I jumped out of an airplane one time and my 266 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: shooting malfunction, and I said, Lord, don't let me die. 267 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: And the voice of the Lord said, greater is he 268 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: that is in you than he that is in the world. 269 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: And I hung up in an eighty foot pine tree. 270 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 4: Wow. 271 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: I hung up and I came all the way to 272 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: the end of my lines there and I hit the ground. 273 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: And the only thing that did is I hit my 274 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: knee on a stump, put my knee a little bit, 275 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: but it didn't it didn't amount anything. 276 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: Wow. 277 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: And I could go on with these kind of stories 278 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: about how the Lord has been with you with me, 279 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: and I'll tell you one last thing. In Mogadishu and 280 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: you've heard me tell this, but in you, I lost 281 00:16:50,880 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: sixteen men. And that night, after we got everybody evacuated 282 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 3: that was wounded, I sat down on my bunks so 283 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 3: nobody could see me, and I was so angry with God. 284 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: I said, Lord, where were you? You could have stopped this. 285 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: You just didn't have to happen. Where are you? And 286 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: then it came to me, there is no God. And 287 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: the minute I said that, I heard the audible voice 288 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 3: of the Lord and he said, if there's no God, 289 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: there's no hope. And I began to weep. My chest 290 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 3: was heaving as I was saying, I am sorry, God, 291 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: I am sorry. I am sorry for my what I 292 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 3: thought God. When I tell men when I'm doing men's conferences, 293 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: especially as I say to them, the moment it was 294 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: in my mind, in my heart to repent, I was 295 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: He had forgiven me. And there's nothing you've ever done 296 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 3: that God won't forgive. People will say, how about the 297 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: unpardonable sin? Well, okay, tell me what it is? Tell 298 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 3: me what it is. And if you're sitting in this 299 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: pew tonight and you're feeling the presence of the Lord, 300 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 3: you have not done the unpardonable sin, I can assure you, 301 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: but I'll stop there. I've taken more of your time 302 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 3: than I should have, but you asked the wrong question, 303 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 3: you know. 304 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: I love hearing stories of the way again. God's fingerprints 305 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 2: have been all over your story, and just these different 306 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 2: rescue missions that God has reminded you time and time 307 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 2: again that he's not just this big guy in the 308 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: sky with the javelin, you know, banging it down and 309 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 2: calling us guilty. No, he's somebody that isn't absent from 310 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: our pain, but he's present in the midst of it. 311 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: And not once in scripture does it promise the absence 312 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: of pain, but it will always promise his presence in 313 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 2: the midst of these things. And so I'm just reminded 314 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: that even if God does nothing else in this life, 315 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: because of the gift of his son Jesus, because of 316 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: the hope that we have been given, that is continuing 317 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: to live and he is alive, that he has already 318 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,239 Speaker 2: done enough. General, when I think about some of the 319 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: things that you've experienced, even some of those moments that 320 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: you just shared, one thing that I know you and 321 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: I share a passion for is helping those who carry 322 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: war home with them. I'm thinking about situations that you saw, 323 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: the Iran hostage situation again, what happened in Mogadishu. I'm 324 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: thinking about veterans who bury things, and oftentimes what we 325 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: bury has a way of burying us. We have to 326 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 2: have people that we can open up to, brothers in 327 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: this fight, that we can be vulnerable with, that we can. 328 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: Ask for help. 329 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: I would just love to hear in the middle of 330 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: our conversation today, just a word of hope to maybe 331 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: a veteran who feels trapped by post traumatic stress disorder, 332 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 2: survivor's guilt, depression, addiction, or hopelessness. What's a word for 333 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: that person today? 334 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, you just. 335 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 3: That's a good question. And look, there is nothing in 336 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 3: your life that you can't get beyond. If you're recognize 337 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: that you can't do it alone, you've got to add 338 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ in to this equation here, because that is 339 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 3: the only way you're going to come out of this. 340 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: Because as long as you try to do it yourself, 341 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: the enemy is going to prevail over you. He wants 342 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: to destroy you and take people with you as well. 343 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: But if you will humble yourself and pray, the Lord 344 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 3: will come in a mighty way and he will give 345 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: you peace. He'll give you rest, he'll give you a 346 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 3: better understanding of your situation. But you can't do it alone. 347 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: And that's one of the problems that we have with PTSD. 348 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: We've got these we've got these wonderful men who are 349 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 3: willing to sacrifice. They're willing to do things that are 350 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: difficult and things that are sacrificial. But what they really 351 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 3: need to do is put on the whole armor of God. 352 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: And if you don't know what that is, go to 353 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: Fision six. Read that, and then study it so you 354 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 3: know what each part of that war that armor is. 355 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: And that's one of the ways you start putting on 356 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 3: the whole armor of God is knowing what each piece 357 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 3: of that is what it equates to in spiritual warfare, 358 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, the things that 359 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 3: we're dealing with are spiritual. Yes, they are spiritual warfare. 360 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: As you mentioned that general. 361 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: You know, as you said, we fight not against flesh 362 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 2: and blood, but against principalities and spiritual wickedness in the 363 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: high places, as Ephesians mentions, And we have to be 364 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: ready for the battle that is ahead of us, because 365 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: like you said, yes, we fight battles on battlefields all 366 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: over the world, and there going to continue to be worse. 367 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 2: It's going to continue to get worse, as scripture reveals. 368 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, we have to 369 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: be ready for the wars within our own homes, the 370 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: wars within our own marriages, the wars within our own lives. 371 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: One thing I want to ask, though, just for a moment, 372 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: is with this next generation, I feel like I've heard 373 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: you share even recently in Alan Jackson's church, that there 374 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 2: is a difference between revival and a great awakening, and 375 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 2: you're kind of recognizing that there is an awakening that's happening. 376 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we're seeing around college campuses, these unite college 377 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: campus crusades. We're seeing in the box offices with different 378 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: films that are coming out. There seems to be something 379 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: stirring in the hearts and in this next generation. Speak 380 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: to maybe what encourages you and how you've seen people 381 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: ready themselves for the fight ahead. 382 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: Wow, you're absolutely right. I believe that we're in a 383 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: great awakening. Now, No two were alike. Yeah, but I 384 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 3: believe we're in a great awakening. 385 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 4: And I think that. 386 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: Charlie's death, yes, really s burd this on if you will. Yeah, 387 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 3: I believe that the Lord used him. I don't understand 388 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 3: everything that about his death and so forth. But you know, 389 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,239 Speaker 3: we can't deny that we're in a great awakening right 390 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: now because of everything you see and people that are 391 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: coming to Christ that have never even been in the 392 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: church before. And we have to keep that going. We 393 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 3: the believers have to keep that going. We have to 394 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: do our part. We have to be bold and be 395 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: willing to stand up and tell people about our faith. 396 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 3: I'm not saying go stand on the corner and tell 397 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: everybody they're going to hell. That's not it. That's not 398 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say, we've 399 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 3: got to tell them there is a better way. In fact, 400 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: there's only one way you to have eternal life. And 401 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: I'm just so excited, I really am, based on what 402 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 3: I see. And yeah, when I spoke out there at 403 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: Allan's place, that was and he is a wonderful man 404 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: by the way he's he is as good as they 405 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: come in this country. And I have nothing but the 406 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: deep respect for him, and and uh, some others too 407 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 3: that that I also, you know, Jack Hibbs obviously is 408 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: one of them, and there are some others. But I 409 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: just think that this awakening is going to keep going, 410 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 3: and it's ultimately I don't know if it's going to 411 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: be the rapture, yeah, or I don't know if we're 412 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 3: going to have something different. All I can do is 413 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 3: read the Bible and kind of try to understand what 414 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: it is trying to tell me. 415 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 4: Uh. 416 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: And you know, there's so much controversy over a lot 417 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 3: of the prophetic stuff, you know, But the only thing 418 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 3: that we can do is be ready, yes, just be ready. 419 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 3: And and I hope that I am, and I believe 420 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: that I am simply because I have submitted myself to 421 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 3: God's authority years ago, and and I'm just I'm eager 422 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 3: for that day to come. 423 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: Amen, my friend, Amen, I think we all are. And 424 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 2: you know, as you talk about readying ourselves, I can't 425 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 2: help but think about the importance of the family unit. 426 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: You know. I think if there's anything that the enemy 427 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: would love nothing more than to divide and really to dissipate, 428 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: it's the family. It's marriages, it's the home, it's our children, 429 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: right he wants it's really a war for this next 430 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: generation's hearts. And that's why there's so many devices and 431 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: so much division and so many distractions. 432 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: But I want to ask you general. 433 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: Just with the work that you do, the work that 434 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: God has continued to call you to around the family, 435 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: the importance of it, and maybe some things that we 436 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: should be doing. I just believe as families, it's not 437 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 2: our time to sit back and to complain about the 438 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: wave of culture and the epidemics are seeing across the country. 439 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: It's our time to step up, to speak up, to 440 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: step into these moments, to begin to revive this country 441 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: and to continue the awakening in the momentum that has 442 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: been created over the last year or so. So, what 443 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: are some just practical things that families, husbands and wives, 444 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: fathers and mothers need to hear today about their call 445 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: and their role for such a time as this. 446 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. You talked about Alan Jackson. Well, I 447 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 3: just a couple of days ago, I was looking on 448 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 3: Facebook and there I was yea, and I thought, where 449 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: did that come from? 450 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 4: You know? 451 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: But Alan, what he was doing was while I was 452 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: out there, we did a question and answer period there 453 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: which was that hasn't been on the show. But he 454 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 3: asked me, you know, what do you what did you 455 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 3: do with your children, with your sons, especially when they 456 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 3: were growing up, And I said, I used to take 457 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: them up on the Appalachian Trail for days. I would 458 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 3: we would all walk pretty long distances and we'd be 459 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 3: out there, but it was just us, the three of us, 460 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 3: and it was it was rugged, but it was also beautiful, 461 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 3: and it was an opportunity for us to talk about 462 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 3: things that we didn't talk about in the house or 463 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 3: things that you know, we're so important that we needed 464 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: to get away and so that my boys could ask questions. 465 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 4: And that type of thing. You know. 466 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: So I think a man especially has to spend time 467 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: with his children, and that includes his daughters. Yes, and 468 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 3: he's got to spend time with them. They need to 469 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: see that he will sacrifice his golf or something like 470 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 3: that to be with his children and to do things 471 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 3: that kind of enlightened them in terms of understanding. And 472 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: one of the things that they need to understand, and 473 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 3: this is not just the father to the daughter or 474 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 3: the daughter to the mother or anything. This is something 475 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 3: that is important for everybody, and that is you need 476 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: to understand and know the sacrifices that have been made 477 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: for America. We wouldn't be here, not as a nation. 478 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: We wouldn't be here. And if you look around and 479 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 3: you look at places like England, the British Empire, which 480 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 3: was a greater, great nation at one time, look at 481 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: it today. They have basically done away with their First 482 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: Amendment rights and it's killing them and they're going to 483 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: pay for it. They're going to pay for it. And 484 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: I'm afraid if we don't get a hold of the 485 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 3: people that we're letting come into this nation, that we're 486 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: going to have exactly the same problem. In fact, I'll 487 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 3: say we already have it, but it's not too late 488 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: to turn it around. And I just think that the 489 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: parents have to spend a lot of time with their 490 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 3: children and That's what my wife and I did as 491 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: they were growing up. And now we do as much 492 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: with my grandchildren as we can. In fact, the end 493 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: of this month, we're taking them for the fourth time. 494 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: We're taking them to Alaska and fish for salmon. But 495 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 3: you know, if we don't catch a single fish, it's 496 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: it's worth the time and money to do that because 497 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: it's us with them. It's not with them with their 498 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: friends off somewhere. It's us with them. And I can't 499 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 3: tell you what a what a wonderful thing it is 500 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: to be able to get out there with them, especially 501 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: in that river, on the Kenai River. And and the 502 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 3: Lord has blessed me with five children, I mean six 503 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: children and five grandchildren, and I'm just blessed. 504 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. 505 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 3: And I'm taking to it. 506 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: Amen, General. You know, I love the example that you've 507 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: set for so many. You don't just talk to talk 508 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: and communicate how important the family is. You actually model 509 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: it and you walk the walk. You set that example. 510 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: I love that idea of you go into Alaska and fishing. 511 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: I've gone there with my dad and my brother in 512 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: law a couple of times, and a couple of my 513 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: uncles had an absolute blast, and I'll never forget. Just 514 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: even recently, my dad was fishing with my nieces and 515 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: I remember he said, you know, it's funny, Zach, they 516 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: think we're just fishing, right. It was that idea of man, 517 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: we're creating memories that will hopefully be etched in their 518 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: memories for a lifetime. And that's what life is all about, 519 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: spending cherished time with those that you love. General, I'd 520 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: have just two follow up questions for you, because I'm 521 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: so cherish every moment I get just to glean from 522 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: your wealth of wisdom and knowledge and experience. But when 523 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: I think of you, I mentioned that I think of 524 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: the word leadership specifically a servant leader, and I'd love 525 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: to hear just maybe one or two characteristics, quality, qualities, 526 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 2: or just lessons on leadership that a man like yourself, 527 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: with so much experience has really developed over the years 528 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: that you would say, you know what, Sach, if you 529 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: can get these one or two things right, you can 530 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: be a really good leader in the eyes of the Lord. 531 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 532 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Well, First of all, I'll go back to something 533 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 3: I already talked about, and that is the. 534 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 4: Way that we as leaders have to. 535 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 3: Act when we are around people that are hurting, and 536 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 3: we need to be strong. 537 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 4: We need to be able to be strong. 538 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 3: We don't necessarily have to get around and sympathize with 539 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 3: them and tell them all that's too bad and all that. 540 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 3: We need to encourage them, and we encourage them with 541 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 3: their faith, and we have to do that now. 542 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: I think that. 543 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 3: It's important that. 544 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 4: We show them. 545 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 3: What a man really looks like or what a what 546 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 3: a woman looks like. Yes, and then explain to them again, 547 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: you know, if they haven't figured it out that the 548 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 3: Bible says He made them male and female. Yes, right, 549 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 3: And I think that at least this current president it 550 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 3: gets that. And but the other thing is that we 551 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 3: as people who carry responsibilities, we need to be prepared 552 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 3: to sacrifice as well. Yes, not just in battle, but 553 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 3: in their founding fathers. You think about it before that 554 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 3: they didn't go into battle. I mean they were, they 555 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,479 Speaker 3: weren't on the battlefield necessarily, but at the same time, 556 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 3: they sacrificed it. And if you go and look at 557 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 3: the records of some of those people that lost everything 558 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 3: they had, they lost everything and died as paupers. And 559 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 3: these are the men that signed a constitution. Yes, well, 560 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 3: we need to realize that it may come to a 561 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 3: point at some point that we're going to have to 562 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 3: make some tough decisions as to whether were willing to 563 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 3: pay the price for what we believe in. And what 564 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 3: do you believe in? And when I was teaching at 565 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 3: Hampton and Sydney College, I take them out by the 566 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 3: fire one night and I would talk to him and 567 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 3: one of the things that I said to him is 568 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 3: know what you believe, because it's going to be challenged 569 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 3: as soon as you get out of this university. You're 570 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 3: going to have a lot of people challenging you for 571 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 3: what you believe. But the other thing is know why 572 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 3: you believe it. It's not good enough to just say, well, 573 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: my mom and dad, that's a good I mean, it's 574 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 3: good for them to be helping you with your your 575 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 3: you know your your values. But at the same time, 576 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 3: you've got to figure out for yourself why you believe that, 577 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: Why do you believe that there's a sin to. 578 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 4: Kill a baby in the womb? 579 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 3: Why because everybody's going to come after you about that, 580 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: or why about Israel? H Why why do you stand 581 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 3: with Israel? Why you why do you believe that we 582 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 3: have an option. I mean, we have no option but 583 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 3: to to support Israel because the Bible says it to us. 584 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 3: But what do you know about Israel? What do you 585 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 3: know about what they've been through? What do you know 586 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 3: about the Jews? If you're not even if you're not 587 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 3: a Christian, you still ought to have enough courage to 588 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 3: say we're not going to allow those people to be treated. 589 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 4: The way they have been for millennia. 590 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: Yes, and I love that. 591 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 4: Three. 592 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: I think incredible principles and qualities of leadership. I heard 593 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,720 Speaker 2: three s's being strong, being somebody that's going to stand 594 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 2: firm in the face of adversity. Number two speaking the 595 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 2: truth right, Be somebody that isn't calling evil good and 596 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: good evil, but somebody who understands the truth and can 597 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 2: speak the truth and love. But then lastly, be somebody 598 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 2: who's willing to sacrifice. Be somebody who, even in the 599 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 2: face of adversity, you are unwavering in your commitments to 600 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 2: God first and foremost, and then to those that you 601 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: have been called to love and to serve. As we 602 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 2: wrap up, general, I want to close the same way 603 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 2: that we started, and you talked about finishing strong. A 604 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 2: word that comes to mind to me when I think 605 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 2: of you as legacy. My dad taught me from a 606 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 2: very young age that legacy is not something you leave 607 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 2: behind for someone, It's something you leave behind in someone. 608 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 2: General boy Can whenever the Lord ends up calling you home, 609 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm just interested, what is the legacy that you hope 610 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 2: to leave behind in the lives of those that God 611 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 2: is entrusted to your path. 612 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 3: First of all, I want to be known as a 613 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 3: man that loved the Lord, yeah, and serve the Lord. Secondly, 614 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 3: I want to be known as a man that loved 615 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 3: his family. And third I want to be known as 616 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 3: a man that loved his country, that loved America. And 617 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 3: that's what I hope my legacy is. 618 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 2: General boy Ca and my friend, I can attest that 619 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 2: even from a far and up CLI knowing you on 620 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 2: a stage, knowing your message, but knowing the way that 621 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 2: you have lived your life behind closed doors, the way 622 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 2: you've loved your family, the way you've loved your friends, 623 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 2: the way you've been faithful and loved God and this 624 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 2: country as a patriot. You are truly one of America's 625 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: finest and I'm incredibly grateful for you. I believe that 626 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 2: you will always be remembered by those three things on 627 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 2: behalf of my dad, doctor Tim Clinton, myself, all of 628 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 2: us here at the AACC. We love you, We appreciate you, 629 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 2: my friend, Thank you so much for your time today. 630 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 2: Happy fourth of July, Happy America two hundred and fiftieth. 631 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 2: Thank you for the legacy that you're leaving behind. 632 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 4: In me as well, and to you as well as 633 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 4: there to. 634 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 2: All of our guests here at the build different podcasts. 635 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 2: As we continue to reflect on America's two hundred and 636 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary, we are reminded of freedom has always required sacrifice. 637 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: But perhaps the greatest battle facing our nation today isn't 638 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 2: merely political or cultural. As General mentioned, it's spiritual scripture 639 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 2: mind us in Ephesian six that are struggles not against 640 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 2: flesh and blood, but against the spiritual forces of evil 641 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 2: in the heavenly place. The question before each of us 642 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 2: is simple, will we merely watch history unfold? Or will 643 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: we faithfully step into the assignment God has given us. 644 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 2: Whether you're leading a family, serving your community, wearing a uniform, 645 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 2: standing behind a pulpit, or simply trying to follow Christ 646 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 2: faithfully in your everyday life. Remember this God has not 647 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 2: called you to live in fear. He has called you 648 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 2: to stand firm, remain faithful, and courageously advance his kingdom. 649 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us for another episode of The 650 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 2: Built Different Podcasts. 651 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.