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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: We are talking faith and family today on The Marlow Show.

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Speaker 1: We've got none other than Mike sever himself, Kirk Cameron,

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Speaker 1: followed by Tim Gaglin, who has been a veteran in

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Speaker 1: the conservative movement for a long time now with focus

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Speaker 1: on the family, and we were talking about what makes

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Speaker 1: a good life.

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Speaker 2: What could be better than that? Check it out.

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Speaker 1: That's today's show, all right. New guests the Alex Marlow Show.

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Speaker 1: Someone who probably should have reached out to a long

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Speaker 1: time ago, because we're big admirers of his at Bright

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Speaker 1: Part News. And that's Kirk Cameron, who left Hollywood famously

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Speaker 1: because Hollywood was offering things I think went deeply against

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Speaker 1: his Christian faith. He'll be commenting on that and a

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Speaker 1: little bit. He's also got a huge new initiative with

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Speaker 1: doctor Ben Carson and Riley Gaines celebrating America to fifty.

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Speaker 2: That's also top.

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Speaker 1: Of mind as well. But Kirk, I'm gonna will surprise

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Speaker 1: you a little bit. You were such a fixture of

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Speaker 1: my home growing up. We were a huge.

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Speaker 2: Growing Pains family, and it's the you've done so much since.

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Speaker 1: But how many people of the people, like, let's say,

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Speaker 1: ten people stop you in the street, how many are still?

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Speaker 2: Man, that was such a good show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we all belong to have a show.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we lost Kirk for a second.

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Speaker 1: He's back, but now he's listed as Mike sever in

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Speaker 1: the window, which is hilarious.

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Speaker 2: So very good sense of humor is with you.

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Speaker 1: I like, see we get a good time as Christian

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Speaker 1: Americans like we don't. We're having a great time too.

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Speaker 1: I asked you about Growing Pains. What was your what

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Speaker 1: was your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: Face?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see, I loved being on Growing Pains, by

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Speaker 4: the way, and of course I got my sever in

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Speaker 4: the corner as my id and who nobody else gets

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Speaker 4: to do that except for me?

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Speaker 2: I got to take full at the end. It's true,

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Speaker 4: I don't know ten people stop me in the grocery store.

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Speaker 4: You know, some of them might give me dirty looks

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Speaker 4: because I love God and I'm pro life and I'm

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Speaker 4: pro America. But I would say that probably eight of

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Speaker 4: them would say, hey, man, I love that show back

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Speaker 4: in the day, and you know, do you think it's

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Speaker 4: too late to turn the country around? Do you think

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Speaker 4: it's all it's all going down here from downhill from here?

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Speaker 4: Or do you think that there could be another great awakening?

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Speaker 4: And of course I know history and I know my scriptures,

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Speaker 4: and so I think the best has only yet begun.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I feel the same way, but I have to admit

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Speaker 1: for me, I feel very optimistic about this country. I

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Speaker 1: if what is your intellectual argument that the best is

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Speaker 4: So I would say that if we look through life

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Speaker 2: And the scriptures and history are replete with that. Great

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Speaker 4: During times of moral decline, spiritual apathy, economic collapse, and corruption.

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Speaker 4: And so what we're trying to do is put tools

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Speaker 2: Mine is all about. It's called Built by the Brave,

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Speaker 2: So this is an initiative with Brave Books.

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Speaker 1: You guys got going the America Winds series that you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about this is what it's called the

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Speaker 2: America Winds Bundle.

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Speaker 4: It's three books, one written by Ben Carson, Riley Gaines

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Speaker 4: and Me about the faith of America, the bravery of

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Speaker 4: early Americans, and the accomplishments of Americans. To help children

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Speaker 4: I'm not ashamed of. Billie Eilish says, you know you

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Speaker 4: should be ashamed. We're all living on stolen land. Time

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Speaker 4: Magazine says, you start forth of July celebrations with Juneteenth,

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Speaker 4: and remember what awful centers you are. And we need

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Speaker 4: to take back to the narrative and say we're not perfect.

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Speaker 4: But America's victories and accomplishments and faith and courage is

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Speaker 4: here for the opportunity and the liberty. And so don't

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Speaker 1: And you guys, you know to brave books. I US

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Speaker 1: And three great people to support with Riley and doctor Carson,

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Speaker 2: How's it going this far? All's going great. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: And some people say, yeah, you walked away from Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Hollywood is not Hollywood. A lot of

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Speaker 4: Cancer can't last forever in a host, right, It eventually

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Speaker 2: What are some recommendations for them?

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Speaker 4: And I would say, man, we can't survive without you.

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Speaker 1: And so we can't have a I think a spiritual

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Speaker 1: revival in the arting is very good. But let me

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Speaker 1: ask you something as a parent, grandparent, this is what

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Speaker 1: I know. A lot of the audience is thinking about

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Speaker 1: what are you watching? What can you put on for

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Speaker 1: your families that you feel like is enriching. And you're

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Speaker 1: can't just be the values only. It's got to be entertaining,

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Speaker 1: well put together, or else it's not going to sustain

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Speaker 2: What are the type of stuff you're showing in your family?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, ironically, I'm not somebody who watched this television.

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Speaker 4: You know, it comes on when somebody else wants to

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Speaker 4: try to educate myself on something.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we had our kids.

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Speaker 4: They grew up with a steady diet of I Love

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Speaker 4: things that I'm trying to do is provide things for

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Speaker 4: parents to show their kids and grandparents, because I'm going

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Speaker 4: to need stuff to show my little kids. My a

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Speaker 4: plan is I'm going to take them out in the

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Speaker 4: backyard and I'm going to have them go out there

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Speaker 4: and feed the chickens, and we're gonna take nature walks

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Speaker 4: in the mountains and go try to visit the beach

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Speaker 4: the best place to go out there and be with

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Speaker 4: your kids. And then select things that are really going

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Speaker 4: to nourish the values you want in them. So that's

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Speaker 4: why I'm making this little kid's TV show, which is

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Speaker 4: a new Mister Rogers Neighborhood Meet Sesame Street. Only it's

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Speaker 4: faith friendly, it's Bible forward, and it's pro life in

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Speaker 4: pro America. So it's called Iggy and Mister Kirk. So

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Speaker 4: even though I don't watch a lot of television, I

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Speaker 4: make television.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, where do you get that one? To make

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Speaker 2: sure people know what that is?

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Speaker 4: Brave Plus if you subscribe Pure Flex, you can get

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Speaker 4: it there or Angel has Iggy and Great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm an Angel subscriber myself. Okay, So Kirk,

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Speaker 1: I know you got a round, but I want to

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Speaker 2: But you're best known.

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Speaker 1: At this point as being a person who evangelizes for

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Speaker 1: the Christian faith in the public eye. Connected to you,

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Speaker 1: how essential is America's Judeo Christian or Christian heritage to

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Speaker 1: America two fifty in our current identity? To you, what

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Speaker 1: can we do to make sure that people understand this

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Speaker 1: is not that we discriminate against people who don't share

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Speaker 1: that faith. But in essence, America is a Christian nation,

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Speaker 1: and that's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: We should be shamed of this run from it. Check

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Speaker 4: out this quote from Noah Webster. No Webster was a

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Speaker 4: founding father. He gave us the Webster's Dictionary, and he

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Speaker 4: was also the founder of American education.

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Speaker 2: And he said this.

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Speaker 4: He said, every government is based on some religion or

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Speaker 4: philosophy of life. He said, in America that foundational religion

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Speaker 4: was Christianity, and it was sewn into their hearts for

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Speaker 4: two hundred years in the schools and in the home.

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Speaker 4: He said, our prosperity and our success is the result

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Speaker 4: of a Biblical way of life. And he said, therefore,

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Speaker 4: the future of our success and our liberties depend on

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Speaker 4: educating the children of America in the principles of Christianity.

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Speaker 4: The Bible was literally the books that built America. And

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Speaker 4: it was these faith filled freedom fighters, full of courage,

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Speaker 4: men and women, from the pilgrims to the founders and beyond,

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Speaker 4: who have taken the risks and have implemented the values

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Speaker 4: with love for all, to provide more freedom, more opportunity,

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Speaker 4: more education, more prosperity, more generosity than anyone ever. And

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Speaker 4: so with that as the tap root. If if the

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Speaker 4: tree is flourishing, it's going to produce sweet fruit.

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Speaker 2: But if the.

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Speaker 4: Fruit is withering and bitter and gnarled, the answer is

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Speaker 4: to look at what's gone on down in the soil

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Speaker 4: of the tree. And we've severed the root of faith.

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Speaker 4: We've used words like separation of church and state, totally misunderstood.

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Speaker 4: That is not to get God and faith out of government.

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Speaker 4: It's to keep the government from shutting down or controlling

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Speaker 4: the church. But faith is the actual life blood. It's

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Speaker 4: the sap that keeps the tree alive and produces the fruit.

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Speaker 4: And that's what our America Winds Bundle is all about.

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Speaker 4: The faith, the courage, and the accomplishments of the American people.

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Speaker 1: Very nice toff the America Winds Bundle from Bray Books.

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Speaker 1: Bray Books that you asked to get that, Kirk Cameron.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Great to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm pleased to welcome to the show. Tim Gaglin.

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Speaker 2: He's the vice.

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Speaker 1: President of government and external relations for Focus on the Family.

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Speaker 1: He is a longtime veteran of the conservative movement, dating

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Speaker 1: back to the Bush years, and he's in a new

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Speaker 1: book out called What Really Matters Restoring a Legacy of Faith, Freedom,

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Speaker 1: and Family.

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Speaker 2: Tim is nice to make your acquaintance.

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Speaker 1: I think I've interviewed one other time before, but it's

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Speaker 1: you actually spoke at a Young America's Foundation convention that

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Speaker 1: I was at when I was in college, So it

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Speaker 1: was a good twenty years ago, so you've.

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Speaker 2: Been around the block.

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Speaker 1: I want to evaluate before we get into the book content. Well,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel like the state of the consers

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Speaker 1: movement is organization activism in DC and beyond.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like this is a good movement to be.

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Speaker 1: In conservative economics, politics activism or do you feel like

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Speaker 1: that maybe we could we could bone up on a

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Speaker 1: few things.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's actually a good moment for American conservatism,

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Speaker 3: Alex because I think that the movement kind of reorients

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Speaker 3: and regenerates itself about every ten years. And my sense

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Speaker 3: is that American Conservatism has never been of a piece.

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Speaker 3: I was in a debate last week and my interlocu

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Speaker 3: tour suggested that somehow, whatever her definition of American Conservatism

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Speaker 3: is had been kind of the same since the nineteen twenties,

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Speaker 3: and my strong encouragement to her.

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Speaker 5: Was to sort of get out more.

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Speaker 3: And I say that I pray gracefully, but I think

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Speaker 3: that conservatism is grounded in particular first principles, but the

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Speaker 3: way that it expressed is itself politically policy wise. Otherwise

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Speaker 3: there are shifts and turns, and I politics doesn't go

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Speaker 3: on forever, but conservatism has a foundation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's crucial to have those sort of core

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Speaker 1: philosophical beliefs because there is so many flash bangs now

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Speaker 1: in our hypermedia age, where there's so many of your

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Speaker 1: favorite personalities you might realize all of a sudden are

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Speaker 1: completely nuts or have some value that kind of reveals

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Speaker 1: that they're not necessarily a committed I think ideological conservative

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Speaker 1: and really more of a manipulator or a best case here,

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Speaker 1: an influencer. I think we're witnessing a lot of that

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Speaker 1: right now. Is that a lot of the ideas that

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Speaker 1: are have currency. I don't think they're going to last

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Speaker 1: very long because they're not really rooted in much. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like maybe you could opine on that comment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love to actually, And I know that the

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Speaker 3: plural of antecdote is not data.

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Speaker 5: But in the academic here, Alex, in my role as.

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Speaker 3: One of the vice presidents that focus on the family,

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Speaker 3: I'm on a different college campus.

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Speaker 5: Almost every week.

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Speaker 3: That's Harvard, Princeton, Yale, A ZUSA, Pacific, Hillsdale, Liberty, I

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Speaker 3: mean the entire gamut. And about a year and a

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Speaker 3: half ago, I was coming off of the stage and

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Speaker 3: one of the undergraduates at a school in New England

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Speaker 3: that I will not name, said, mystery Agglin, I agree

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Speaker 3: with everything you said. You know something a speaker wants

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Speaker 3: to hear, particularly at a school of that ideological bent.

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Speaker 3: But she said, why is it that the political class

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Speaker 3: And this is just what she said, Alex, why does

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Speaker 3: the political class not talk about what really matters? And

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Speaker 3: I don't mind saying that really rang in my years,

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Speaker 3: and I've been internalizing that, and I think it applies

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Speaker 3: to what you're talking about. There are eras where the

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Speaker 3: libertarians and economics and small government and the kind of

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Speaker 3: monitorist debate seems to arise, and there are other eras

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Speaker 3: where it's more nationalistic and populistic. And then there are

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Speaker 3: those moments that are different from those. But I think

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Speaker 3: what really matters, and I know we shared this in common.

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Speaker 3: What really matters is the foundation of conservatism. There are

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Speaker 3: the things that don't change even if politics changes.

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Speaker 1: Well, my obvious follow up is, so where do we

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Speaker 1: get those principles and foundations? And we can make one

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Speaker 1: recommendation on the show, which is to check out the

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Speaker 1: book What Really Matters Restoring a Legacy of Faith, Freedom,

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Speaker 1: and Family, which is out now.

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Speaker 2: It just came out, So congrats on that. Talk to

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Speaker 2: me about just the overall premise what really Matters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember as a young man reading for the

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Speaker 3: first time at some length three books by Russell Kirk,

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Speaker 3: and I remember thinking across that whole thing that I

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Speaker 3: had come through three books and there really was not

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Speaker 3: a single discussion of legislation in Washington, there wasn't a

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Speaker 3: single mention of you know, sort of who was on

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Speaker 3: the radio, who was on television, you know, who was

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Speaker 3: the speaker of the House. In other words, these seem

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Speaker 3: to be timeless principles, and Russell Kirk suggested that culture

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Speaker 3: was downstream from things of the spirit. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: all hear the mantra that politics is downstream from culture,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's right. I mean, politics is a

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Speaker 3: branch of ethics. But I think if you really want

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Speaker 3: to understand conservatism at its highest and the way that

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Speaker 3: we in the twenty first century should think about what

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Speaker 3: is really important, I think you have to ultimately say

661
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Speaker 3: that conservatism is born of things of the spirit, in

662
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Speaker 3: the American experience, in the Judaic Christian tradition, but more broadly,

663
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Speaker 3: the things of religion and faith helped to animate what

664
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Speaker 3: is really important. And that's what I try to get

665
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Speaker 3: at in the book. It's marriage, it's family, it's parenting

666
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Speaker 3: human life, it's religious liberty, it's parental rights.

667
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Speaker 5: I mean, these things matter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like that even though sometimes culturally

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Speaker 1: we can be pushed away from these things, I think

670
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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff is in our core certainly

671
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Speaker 1: in our founding documents. It's in any religious documents if

672
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Speaker 1: you're in the Judeo Christian realm of religiosity. But I

673
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Speaker 1: think that there is a push for a lot of

674
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Speaker 1: elements of American society to drive young people, in particular

675
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Speaker 1: away from those core values. One thing you write about

676
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Speaker 1: in the book is the decline of the American male,

677
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Speaker 1: and I want you to kind of define this and

678
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Speaker 1: the pinpoint where it might be coming from.

679
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Speaker 3: Well, in each one of the chapters of What Really Matters,

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Speaker 3: I try to posit the sobering news over against the

681
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Speaker 3: hopeful news, And in preparing this book, I really dove

682
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Speaker 3: into an ocean of the most important social study and

683
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Speaker 3: empirical data that we have. And what I found, overwhelmingly

684
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Speaker 3: on the sobering side is that the so called and

685
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Speaker 3: I believe very unfair criticism of so called toxic masculinity

686
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Speaker 3: is really one of the of the very important realities

687
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Speaker 3: of this part of the twenty first century. I think

688
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Speaker 3: this delineation that the nation seems to be having about

689
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Speaker 3: whether masculinity and femininity are even important anymore. You know,

690
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Speaker 3: I was in another debate just a couple of weeks ago,

691
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Speaker 3: and I said, I think I'm going to cease using

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Speaker 3: the term parenting and I'm going to spend more time

693
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Speaker 3: using the phrases like mothering and fathering, because moms and

694
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Speaker 3: dads bring something very unique, you know, to the lives

695
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Speaker 3: of their.

696
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Speaker 5: Children that really matter in this debate.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you, Alex May I say directly to the

698
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Speaker 3: first part of your question. Among all of the data points,

699
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Speaker 3: I learned that about fifteen percent, which is a huge

700
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Speaker 3: number in a large, complex, continental nation of three hundred

701
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Speaker 3: and forty million people, I learned that fifteen percent of

702
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: all American men say they have no friends.

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Speaker 5: And I thought this, this can't be correct.

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Speaker 3: So I have spent time at every single campus, you know,

705
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Speaker 3: over the course of the last year and a half,

706
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Speaker 3: asking every single audience. Among the men in the audience,

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Speaker 3: you know, how many of you would say you don't

708
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Speaker 3: really have any you know, close friends. It's often a

709
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Speaker 3: forest of hands. And this epidemic of loneliness that we

710
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: hear about is it's it's absolutely real, and it's it's

711
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Speaker 3: I think it's emblematic of.

712
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Speaker 5: What we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting.

714
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the friendship phenomenon because I do

715
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Speaker 1: feel like that there's a big it feels like it's

716
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Speaker 1: all or nothing.

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Speaker 2: It feels like there's a lot of my friends.

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Speaker 1: I'm about four, and I feel like I have certain

719
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Speaker 1: friends of my life who their friends are their focus.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like their family and it's the most important

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Speaker 1: thing to them.

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Speaker 2: And then others are either very.

723
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Speaker 1: Isolated because of internet culture and that's where they get

724
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Speaker 1: most of their identity, or they're just of their own

725
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Speaker 1: family and they spend one hundred percent of their time

726
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: either working or with family, and that's it's how do

727
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Speaker 1: you evaluate this? Is that what you're seeing is that

728
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Speaker 1: a negative development from your view?

729
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Speaker 3: I'm honored to be asked, and I deal with it

730
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Speaker 3: in an entire chapter in the book, which is what

731
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Speaker 3: constitutes a good life? I think that's really an important question,

732
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Speaker 3: and I think it is a particularly important question to

733
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Speaker 3: Americans who are in their teens and early twenties, because

734
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Speaker 3: the sands of time roll forward really fast. And I

735
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Speaker 3: think that the very good news is that we have

736
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Speaker 3: a demographic of eighteen to thirty year old men who

737
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: of a sudden are telling reliable people, I want to

738
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Speaker 3: be married, I want to have children, I want to

739
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Speaker 3: be in a meaningful, lifelong relationship. I want to be

740
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Speaker 3: in a faith based community. I want to have real fellowship.

741
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Speaker 3: I think these are very very good signs. Another silver lining,

742
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Speaker 3: when women in the same demographic are asked, they often

743
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Speaker 3: don't answer in the largest percentages in this regard alex,

744
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Speaker 3: but aspirationally they say yes, eventually I want to be married,

745
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Speaker 3: or yes, eventually I want to have children. And I

746
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: think that yawning chasm is often because there are large

747
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Speaker 3: percentages of American men who are not working. They are

748
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Speaker 3: not looking for a job, they're not in school beyond

749
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Speaker 3: high school, they're not seeking to apply to school. And

750
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Speaker 3: the question is are they marriageable? And I think that

751
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Speaker 3: many women essentially say yes, I want to be married,

752
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: but this large percentage of men don't seem to be marriageable.

753
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Speaker 3: And I think this is this chasm is a very

754
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Speaker 3: big part of what constitutes a meaningful life and the

755
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Speaker 3: challenge that we're facing now.

756
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Speaker 2: This is really important.

757
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Speaker 1: And I want to get into this because I speak

758
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Speaker 1: offhandedly about how I do want people to get married

759
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Speaker 1: in families, and I talk about my personal family and

760
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: how I have been very fortunate to have had a

761
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Speaker 1: great career and get to meet lots of interesting people,

762
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Speaker 1: have intersting conversations, go interesting places. But nothing is even

763
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: a close second to my home life and that I

764
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Speaker 1: have a spouse who I love and I have wonderful children,

765
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Speaker 1: and that's the dream I want for everyone.

766
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Speaker 2: But just announcing that is very easy.

767
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Speaker 1: What is hard to do is to try to pinpoint

768
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Speaker 1: where the problems have occurred where that's not seemingly the

769
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Speaker 1: standard anymore for people my age and younger. It seems

770
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Speaker 1: like some of the problems are societal influences, where young

771
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Speaker 1: women are told that there's more satisfaction working for Facebook

772
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Speaker 1: or for a Google than having a family, which was

773
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Speaker 1: of course as a lie.

774
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Speaker 2: I think the data backs it up at this point.

775
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Speaker 1: But also men have been coached in having some arrested development,

776
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Speaker 1: relying on certain addictions, certain comforts, that is opposed to

777
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Speaker 1: actually creating a persona that will attract young women to

778
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Speaker 1: marry them. And then it is hard once you are

779
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Speaker 1: married to make into me because we're all wishing a

780
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Speaker 1: little more money in our pocket, even people are successful.

781
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Speaker 2: So it's just one of those things.

782
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Speaker 1: Where there's a lot aligning against I think our natural

783
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Speaker 1: inclination to form families.

784
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Speaker 5: You know, to that very point, if I may.

785
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Speaker 3: I was speaking in January of this year to a

786
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Speaker 3: Christian college that would be known to everybody who.

787
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Speaker 5: Is listening and watching us.

788
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Speaker 3: And at the very end of my remarks, I said,

789
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Speaker 3: you know, marriage is a really good way to spend

790
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 3: your life. Having babies and children is a really great

791
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: way to spend your life. It's really good to invest

792
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: your time, you know, in a church and a fellowship.

793
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, this sort of fit and the

794
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Speaker 3: riff went on for maybe a total of, you know,

795
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Speaker 3: twelve seconds. And I had several students come down to

796
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Speaker 3: me after our Q and a time together and they said, Alex,

797
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: things like this. You know, I've never heard that. You know,

798
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: that was really interesting. Tell me more about.

799
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Speaker 5: What you need.

800
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Speaker 3: And I thought to myself, you know, it's emblematic in

801
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: part of the narrative of what really matters, because when

802
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: you you know, George Orwell has that wonderful phrase, it

803
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: should ring in our ears. He says that the first

804
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: duty of an intelligent person is to restate the obvious.

805
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: And I have learned over time that the things that

806
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: you and I are talking about, you know, these eternal

807
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: institutions that we that we can take it for granted

808
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: that most other people with whom we connect kind of

809
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: share our own proclivity in that regard. But the reality is,

810
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 3: in twenty first century America, they don't.

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Speaker 2: And I was.

812
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: Reading this morning, you know that we have the lowest marriage,

813
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: the lowest fertility rates in all of recorded American history.

814
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Speaker 3: We actually have more babies being born to women who

815
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: are in their thirties than in their twenties.

816
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Speaker 5: This is not a coincidence.

817
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: It's related to the cultural issues Alex, that you and

818
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Speaker 3: I are passionate about and are speaking about today.

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Speaker 1: number number one recommendation for young males in particular is

853
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Speaker 1: to not waste your twenties. I think a lot of

854
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Speaker 1: young males are told to spend their twenty For me,

855
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: it was of finding a spouse, getting married, and advancing

856
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Speaker 1: my career when I didn't have children.

857
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Speaker 2: That does take a lot of time.

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Speaker 1: It takes tons of time to raise for children as

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Speaker 1: I do, and so I am it was a very

860
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Speaker 1: useful that I spent my twenties not wasting them. And

861
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Speaker 1: for young women, I would say that sure, if you

862
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Speaker 1: feel like you need to have a career, have a career.

863
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Speaker 1: I'm not anti career. I'm married to a woman with

864
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Speaker 1: a great career. It's a nurturing career.

865
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Speaker 2: She's a doctor. She provides medical care for people.

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Speaker 1: She's not someone who I think would be I would

867
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Speaker 1: love to be in the home all day. But she'll

868
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Speaker 1: be the first one to tell you that her identity

869
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: or satisfaction her life comes from the family. And so

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Speaker 1: try to find something like that and not think that

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to go up the corporate ladder on

872
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Speaker 1: Wall Street and feel like that's going to be satisfying

873
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Speaker 1: to me. Because you're not going to be You're not

874
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Speaker 1: gonna be satisfied the vast majority of people.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to feel that way. That's kind of

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Speaker 2: where I would start.

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Speaker 1: But that's really sort of superficially, what can we do

878
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: bigger to get people on the right track of the.

879
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: Late great Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation Alex he said that

880
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: the principal difference between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives

881
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: believe that if you want to change and impact the country,

882
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: you have to change and impact culture, and that people

883
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: on the left, their view is just the opposite, that

884
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 3: if you want to impact the course of the nation,

885
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: you have to ultimately and first impact politics. So I

886
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 3: really believe very strongly that the way forward toward restoration, renewal, regeneration,

887
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: and the way that we envision it is that we

888
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: have to impact culture by telling a brand. We have

889
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: to go tell a new generation about the things that

890
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: are not things, family, marriage, parenting. We have to defend innocent,

891
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: preborn life and say why every single person matters, and

892
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: then we have to live it. I was in a

893
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: conversation yesterday and a woman said to me, how would

894
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: we actually think about growing our community of faith, And

895
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: I said, it begins with the most elemental thing of

896
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: having someone actually ask someone else, Hey, come to church

897
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: with me, Come to this dinner, come to this fellowship gathering.

898
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: We're doing an event, you know, in our neighborhood next weekend.

899
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 5: Come and join us. And I think that.

900
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: The magic, as it were, is it turns out not

901
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: to be magic at all, That it's a matrix of

902
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: human relationships being asked. And what happens is that people

903
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 3: kind of join into this circle of a community and

904
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: of a sudden they realize, I want more of this.

905
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 3: This is the kind of life that gives me great satisfaction,

906
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 3: and I think it's the way forward.

907
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So where do you think the trajectory of marriage

908
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: is on right now? Because it feels like it's going

909
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: on not a not a good trajectory, but is there

910
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: seems to be more discussion laying out what I've been saying.

911
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: I think I been hearing more discussion. But just because

912
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: I feel like some online chatter is more pro marriage,

913
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: more pro natalist, it doesn't necessarily mean we're seeing results yet.

914
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: But what are you seeing?

915
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad you asked.

916
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: I do believe that there is a remnant, and there

917
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: is a remnant largely center right. But I think it's

918
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: much broader than that of young Americans who, like you

919
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: and your great wife, are committed to being married, having children,

920
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: and you know, creating the natural nuclear family that is

921
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: the way forward. And I think that number of people

922
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 3: is very large. But I think at the exact same time,

923
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 3: there are a very substantial number of Americans, for all

924
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 3: the reasons we have discussed in this great dialogue, who

925
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: have been raised only amid brokenness. I was speaking in

926
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 3: Los Angeles to a very large group of people from

927
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 3: East Los Angeles, and this young man said, I, you know,

928
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 3: he appreciated my remarks, but he said, I just need

929
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: to let you know that there are very few of us.

930
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: And it was a cavernous auditorium. He said, there's very

931
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: few of us who know anybody who's married. So I

932
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 3: think it's not just people who organically resist marriage or

933
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: resist kind of growing a family or children. I think,

934
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: alex we would be dazzled and maybe even shocked by

935
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: the large percentage and sheer number of Americans who have

936
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: never been raised in a home with a mother and

937
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 3: a father. We have a plague of fatherlessness in our country.

938
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: You know, fathers who are present physically but not really there.

939
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: And then another percentage that have been sentivized, often by

940
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: the government, not to.

941
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 5: Even be a part of the children's growing up.

942
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: So I think we have to deal systematically with these issues,

943
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: and I think we have to do it not by

944
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 3: government imposing it. I mean, government's never going to save

945
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: a marriage or tuck a child into bed at night.

946
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: It has to be from the bottom of and I

947
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 3: think it comes, if I may back to moynihan, from

948
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: the cultural elements of where we live. It's our parish,

949
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: it's our neighborhood, it's our church, it's our community. That

950
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: is where I believe overwhelmingly that a reintroduction to marriage

951
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: and family begins.

952
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: All right, So again the book what really matters The author,

953
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: Tim Gaglin is my guest. Tim, I want to ask

954
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: you about the spiritual revival that I feel like I'm

955
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: seeing in this country. There is certainly, again another one

956
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: where there's huge amounts of I think over online references

957
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: to faith and trying to actually have a realistic I

958
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: believe the marriage of politics and religion in this country

959
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: where we've gone so far out of our way my

960
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: entire life to try to misinterpret our founding principles that

961
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: we want a secular society where in fact we don't

962
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: want to state sponsored religion.

963
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: That's pretty simple. We're not going to have one. We

964
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: don't have one.

965
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: But you can't have in America without God's presence, I

966
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: don't think, And I think that's kind of coming back

967
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: as a viewpoint. Easter Sunday mass was totally overflowed where

968
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: I went, which was a nice sight.

969
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: But is it real or is it just good vibes.

970
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: It's absolutely real and it's actually measurable, and I share

971
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: your analysis categorically. I said earlier that I'm an inveterate optimist,

972
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: because I am, but it's not confetti to the wind optimism.

973
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: I think empirical data shows that whether you are in

974
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: the center of urban blue America or if you are

975
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: in suburban or rural ruby red America, there is definitively

976
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: something that is happening. I think the kind of seeds

977
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: that we have talked about today have been planted, and

978
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 3: I think we're seeing a germination. It is absolutely the

979
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: case that if you want restoration and renewal in a country,

980
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: a culture, and a civilization like ours.

981
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 5: It's not going to be overnight.

982
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: You know.

983
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: I wrote an entire book book, Stumbling Towards Utopia, my

984
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 3: last book, about the moral and social and cultural devastation

985
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 3: in our country in the nineteen sixties and seventies. I mean,

986
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: it absolutely was a planned dismantlement of the United States

987
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: of America, and it destroyed marriages, It destroyed millions of people.

988
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 3: I mean, it takes a long time to combat the

989
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: social engineers, and the social engineering that we're talking about

990
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: has had a leveling effect. But now, in my view, Alex,

991
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: it's time to level up.

992
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: So how do we do that?

993
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: Because first of all, I think it's identifying where the

994
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: root causes are. I'd like for you to help me

995
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: do that, and then how do you repel from that?

996
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, the nineteen sixties, the seed.

997
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: Bed of the radical revolution of a late sixties and seventies,

998
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: is a combination of the destruction of what was year

999
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 3: too four of quite excellent public school system. John Dewey

1000
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: and the radicals decided, as moral relativists that we should

1001
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 3: not teach good and bad, that we should not, in

1002
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: any manner seek to instill in the rising generation of

1003
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: young Americans objective truth, and John Dewey, as the leader

1004
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 3: of the radicalization of American education, unfortunately achieved his goal.

1005
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: Howard Zinn, who was ultimately responsible for changing the objective

1006
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: understanding of the American story. I mean, here we are

1007
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: in the two hundred and fiftieth year birthday year of

1008
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: our nation. The Spanish don't know when they were born,

1009
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: the British don't know when they were born, the French

1010
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 3: don't know when they were born.

1011
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 5: But we know.

1012
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 3: When we were born, about three o'clock in the afternoon

1013
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: on July fourth, seventeen seventy six. But the shocking thing,

1014
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: Alex is that young Americans they don't know the story.

1015
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 3: You know, basic Civics, basic math, basic English. I mean,

1016
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: these numbers are really shocking. But I wouldn't to internalize this.

1017
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what bothers me about this is that and

1018
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: I live in Los Angeles now, and I lived in Washington,

1019
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: d C. Before, so I spent a lot of time

1020
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: in areas that are run by people who don't share

1021
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: my particular politics. And what is the most alarming is

1022
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: these people are very comfortable with failing school systems, rising

1023
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: crime rate, rising, homelessness, all wild. Tax payer expenditures go up.

1024
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: And this is where I get a little pessimistic. I'm

1025
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: like you, I'm naturally very optimistic about things, but sometimes

1026
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: I look at this stuff, like, how are some of

1027
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: our peers on the left, How are they so tolerant?

1028
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: They've seen how the big government secular experiment has gone

1029
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: is not gone well, and yet they cling to it.

1030
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: I am thrilled that you asked me that question, because

1031
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: in what really matters, I actually deal with the kind

1032
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 3: of home sociology of the so called progressive elite left. Now,

1033
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: when they are in public, they seem to be, you know,

1034
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: in air quotation marks, tolerant of every possible thing that

1035
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: they all that they know automatically is very bad for

1036
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: children and very bad for a civic life. And yet

1037
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: every empirical data point shows Alex that in their own

1038
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: life they believe in a marriage that is functional, They

1039
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: believe in having children inside of marriage. They believe in

1040
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: what you and I have called the success sequence, which

1041
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: by the way, is now mandated in three of the

1042
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 3: fifty states.

1043
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 5: I think that's all to the good.

1044
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: So I think what we have to conclude is that

1045
00:54:54,640 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: the success sequence is real, and it's real for a reason.

1046
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 5: But we have a lot of people on the left.

1047
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 3: Who are really concerned that unless they be judged by

1048
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 3: saying this is a really good way to raise children,

1049
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: it's a really good way to create the moral ecology

1050
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 3: of the next generation.

1051
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: So here's the big question, the tough one.

1052
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: So how do we return to the American values of

1053
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: the past that at least people in this audience almost

1054
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: universally gonna agree we're superior to the way we're kind

1055
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: of walking around these days.

1056
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: So how do we do it?

1057
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 3: You know, as conservatives, one of the things that I

1058
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: think is that we ought to be prudent about and

1059
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: you not that you would disagree, but sometimes in the

1060
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: rhetoric of conservatism, people would say we need to go back,

1061
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 3: you know, as I say, I'm an inveterate optimist, but

1062
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: I don't think we're going back in the way.

1063
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 5: That they often refer to it.

1064
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: I think what we want is we want to if

1065
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: we want to return, we want to return to a

1066
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 3: time between the forty yard lines of sharing world, shared

1067
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: moral views.

1068
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 5: About big things.

1069
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: I'll say, between the forty yard lines the guardrails, and

1070
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 3: I do believe it is possible to to go to

1071
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 3: that moment. There are areas where we are never going

1072
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 3: to agree, and polarization has been baked into the American

1073
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: DNA from the beginning.

1074
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 5: I absolutely believe that.

1075
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: But I believe that people of goodwill understand the importance

1076
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 3: of things of the spirit in the public square. And

1077
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: I think that we have seen this in the United

1078
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 3: States Supreme Court here in Washington, that increasingly religious liberty,

1079
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 3: conscience rights, the things that we're speaking about here, they're

1080
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: being given a wider birth. And I think that's important

1081
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: because this aggressive secutarism has essentially sent a signal to

1082
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 3: young people, don't discuss your faith, don't discuss your political

1083
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: views in the public square, because you will eventually be

1084
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 3: punished and ostracized.

1085
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 5: That's not America.

1086
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: And I think we are now, I think aggressively and

1087
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 3: successfully addressing the danger of Wokstan, that the danger of

1088
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: DEI and I think it's all to the good. And

1089
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: as these roadblocks are legally, theologically politically, as they are removed,

1090
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: it gives us a much better way forward.

1091
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: Very wise to also say that rhetoric's important, and I

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Speaker 1: actually don't talk about it as we're going back. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that works for people. I think people hate

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Speaker 1: that idea. I think everyone wants to feel like we're

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Speaker 1: looking forward. We're looking ahead, but we do need to

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Speaker 1: draw upon some of those founding principles and I think

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Speaker 1: some of those Judeo Christian principles that really made the

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Speaker 1: country great initially, and framing that up for people, it's

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Speaker 1: a battle for all of us, and maybe the battle

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Speaker 1: starts with all of you at home by reading What

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Speaker 1: Really Matters by Tim Gaglin. He's dedicated his whole life

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Speaker 1: to deep thought on these topics, as you can tell,

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Speaker 1: and I'm positive you'll enjoy.

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Speaker 2: It if you pick it up. Tim, I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: this talk, and let's do it again.

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Speaker 3: It's been a great fun. Alex be of good cheer

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Speaker 3: and thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: And congrats and all the longevity in the movement.

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Speaker 5: It takes a lot to be that's very gracious of you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, sir.