1 00:00:02,740 --> 00:00:03,700 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,059 Speaker 2: Hey, Kristen and Montel, thanks for joining me. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,340 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Pleasure to be here. 4 00:00:08,860 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Kristen and Montel Jordan, co-authors of Shiloh and the Not-So-Scary 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: Girl Above His Bed. I love that title. David Seabook 6 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:19,860 Speaker 2: is the publisher. September the 1st is the date for 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,100 Speaker 2: publication and release. It's so creative and fun and has 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: such a wonderful, powerful message. Kristen and Montel, tell me 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: the story behind this book. I know you guys have 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,630 Speaker 2: five children and I believe five grandchildren. Was it birthed 11 00:00:33,650 --> 00:00:34,830 Speaker 2: out of those experiences? 12 00:00:35,630 --> 00:00:43,729 Speaker 1: Absolutely. It was actually birthed out of our youngest son. 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: We would put him to bed every night. And he 14 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: was about three years old, a little closer to four, 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,100 Speaker 1: but three years old. And every night when we would 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,310 Speaker 1: put him to sleep, and it wouldn't happen until you 17 00:00:58,330 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: go to put him to sleep, right? And then he 18 00:01:00,940 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: would talk about the monster that lived under his bed 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,020 Speaker 1: and what if he came out and what if he 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: grabbed his toe? 21 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:07,810 Speaker 2: And I was like, what? 22 00:01:09,170 --> 00:01:11,390 Speaker 1: You have thought about this far too long. 23 00:01:11,410 --> 00:01:12,470 Speaker 3: This is crazy. 24 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:15,730 Speaker 1: And so the Holy Spirit just gave me this answer 25 00:01:15,750 --> 00:01:18,410 Speaker 1: of like, hey, what if a monster that lives under 26 00:01:18,430 --> 00:01:20,860 Speaker 1: your bed is more afraid of you than you are 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,740 Speaker 1: of him? And it was like the lights went on 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: in his head of like, wait, what? And I said, hey, buddy, listen. 29 00:01:30,130 --> 00:01:33,300 Speaker 1: You're so much bigger than him. And what if all 30 00:01:33,380 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: along he's been waiting so that he could be your friend? 31 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: He was like, huh? 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,860 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, he's way more afraid of 33 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:43,899 Speaker 1: you than you are of him. And it was like, okay, 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,820 Speaker 1: maybe we could be friends. It'll be fine. And I 35 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,310 Speaker 1: was like, okay, buddy, this is awesome. But it was 36 00:01:51,390 --> 00:01:53,010 Speaker 1: a way to flip it upside down. And so the 37 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:55,130 Speaker 1: Lord just gave me this idea to write about that 38 00:01:55,170 --> 00:01:57,650 Speaker 1: because he can't be the only kid that's afraid of 39 00:01:57,690 --> 00:02:00,540 Speaker 1: the monster under his bed. And so we take this 40 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: and flip fear on his side. 41 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:02,740 Speaker 2: Yeah. 42 00:02:02,780 --> 00:02:05,940 Speaker 4: And let me just say, my son at that age 43 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,340 Speaker 4: is a lot smarter than me because I would be asking, 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 4: so you're confirming that there is a monster indeed living 45 00:02:13,820 --> 00:02:16,450 Speaker 4: under my bed. No, but you're right, babe, that when 46 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:20,070 Speaker 4: it comes to what's in the dark, what was that sound? 47 00:02:20,110 --> 00:02:22,889 Speaker 3: What's in the closet? Will I make friends? First day 48 00:02:22,930 --> 00:02:23,370 Speaker 3: of school. 49 00:02:23,750 --> 00:02:27,670 Speaker 4: These are all things that we now get to contribute 50 00:02:27,810 --> 00:02:32,150 Speaker 4: to bring a resolve and an answer through Shiloh, like 51 00:02:32,190 --> 00:02:35,430 Speaker 4: you said, who's this amazingly lovable character that you dreamt 52 00:02:35,550 --> 00:02:38,250 Speaker 4: of for a while. And now we are able to 53 00:02:38,310 --> 00:02:40,709 Speaker 4: give birth to him so that the world can help 54 00:02:40,810 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 4: their children and grandchildren and church kids and school kids 55 00:02:45,740 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 4: all over the world have an opportunity to conquer their fear. 56 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:55,540 Speaker 4: And Shiloh specifically is awesome because Shiloh isn't fearless. Shiloh 57 00:02:56,180 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 4: is afraid, but Shiloh does it afraid because he learns 58 00:03:01,180 --> 00:03:03,380 Speaker 4: and teaches the people around him how to take one 59 00:03:03,419 --> 00:03:03,980 Speaker 4: brave step. 60 00:03:05,139 --> 00:03:05,700 Speaker 3: Amen to that. 61 00:03:05,780 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: And of course, like you said, Kristen, it flips the 62 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,540 Speaker 2: traditional monster under the bed story on its head. It 63 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: kind of gives you something you didn't expect. I love 64 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 2: that about the book. Specifically, this book is about overcoming fear, 65 00:03:16,260 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: but overcoming fear through faith in God. Why is that 66 00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:22,930 Speaker 2: so significant? Because you could have written this book. It's 67 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: kind of a mainstream secular book. It could be placed 68 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: in any doctor's office nationwide, but specifically it's about faith. 69 00:03:28,740 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: Why is that so important to you guys? 70 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,010 Speaker 1: Because I think that is the epicenter of where we 71 00:03:35,150 --> 00:03:37,490 Speaker 1: find the people that we minister now. 72 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:38,470 Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. 73 00:03:38,850 --> 00:03:40,710 Speaker 1: So the interesting thing is, is if we don't deal 74 00:03:40,750 --> 00:03:44,110 Speaker 1: with fear in a three to five year window, when 75 00:03:44,150 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 1: you are years three to five, and you know, the 76 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:49,820 Speaker 1: interesting thing is, is that when kids say I'm afraid 77 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: of the first thing out of a parent's mouth is 78 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,100 Speaker 1: you don't have to be afraid of that. 79 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 80 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,460 Speaker 1: But the thing is, is it's very dismissive because the 81 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: truth is, is that it doesn't mean it's not scary. 82 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,940 Speaker 1: It means in their three-year-old mind, that is scary. And 83 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:06,430 Speaker 1: so we have to give them the tools in order 84 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:09,550 Speaker 1: to understand, what do I do when I feel fearful? 85 00:04:09,870 --> 00:04:12,610 Speaker 1: It's not that not feel afraid, it's what do I do? 86 00:04:12,910 --> 00:04:16,530 Speaker 1: So if I invite God into that situation, it teaches 87 00:04:16,570 --> 00:04:18,910 Speaker 1: me that Yes, this is fearful, but I can be 88 00:04:18,970 --> 00:04:22,109 Speaker 1: brave because God made me brave. And so that is 89 00:04:22,170 --> 00:04:24,830 Speaker 1: the idea that we have. And the truth is, is 90 00:04:24,870 --> 00:04:28,250 Speaker 1: that we do marriage ministry. And when we sit across 91 00:04:28,670 --> 00:04:32,349 Speaker 1: the parents who are afraid to stay, afraid to go, 92 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:35,210 Speaker 1: afraid to make a decision, afraid to commit. And what 93 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:37,570 Speaker 1: it is, is that they didn't learn in a very 94 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: early stage how to not be afraid and to invite 95 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: faith into those decisions themselves. So it can help them 96 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:45,500 Speaker 1: navigate their entire lives. 97 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:45,900 Speaker 3: Yeah. 98 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 4: I think manufactured courage is unsustainable. 99 00:04:49,220 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 3: That's correct. 100 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: Like you just, you can't humanly, you can try and 101 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,380 Speaker 4: produce the courage to do X, Y, and Z, but 102 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: what happens when you have to do it again and 103 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,099 Speaker 4: again and again? And so I think that true courage 104 00:05:00,580 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: and true bravery is something that's received as opposed to manufactured. 105 00:05:04,190 --> 00:05:07,190 Speaker 4: And that's what we hope to instill in, you know, 106 00:05:07,290 --> 00:05:10,410 Speaker 4: in the kids and not just in the kids, but 107 00:05:10,470 --> 00:05:14,029 Speaker 4: in the parents as, And grandparents who have these kids 108 00:05:14,089 --> 00:05:16,730 Speaker 4: that are now trying to help a kid navigate with fear. 109 00:05:17,089 --> 00:05:18,849 Speaker 4: One thing I was talking about the other day is 110 00:05:18,990 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 4: I'm now, I don't swim well at all. Like I've 111 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,900 Speaker 4: been fearful of water my entire life because of something 112 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,820 Speaker 4: that happened as a kid. I've been thrown into a 113 00:05:26,860 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: pool and the whole idea of if you survive, then 114 00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:32,180 Speaker 4: you'll learn how to, you know, that'll teach you how 115 00:05:32,220 --> 00:05:34,290 Speaker 4: to swim. And so from that time and a couple 116 00:05:34,330 --> 00:05:37,690 Speaker 4: other experiences, I don't swim. But now I am teaching 117 00:05:38,570 --> 00:05:41,390 Speaker 4: my granddaughter, who's a little over one, one and a 118 00:05:41,430 --> 00:05:44,940 Speaker 4: half now, I'm teaching her how to swim. And it's 119 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 4: weird because as I'm teaching her, don't be afraid, lay back, 120 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:52,620 Speaker 4: you got to relax. As I'm teaching her, I'm actually 121 00:05:52,660 --> 00:05:56,700 Speaker 4: teaching myself how to swim through her. And so I 122 00:05:56,740 --> 00:06:00,130 Speaker 4: think what we're doing is we're providing an outlet for 123 00:06:00,370 --> 00:06:04,310 Speaker 4: not only teaching kids to be fearless, meaning to be 124 00:06:04,330 --> 00:06:07,369 Speaker 4: able to face their fear, but we're teaching the parents 125 00:06:07,430 --> 00:06:10,210 Speaker 4: and the grandparents and the school, you know, Sunday school teachers, 126 00:06:10,250 --> 00:06:14,900 Speaker 4: we're equipping them to conquer a fear in themselves that 127 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,100 Speaker 4: they didn't even know may have been there by giving 128 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 4: it and passing the baton to the young people that 129 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:21,700 Speaker 4: this book. 130 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,820 Speaker 3: Is going to impact. Amen. 131 00:06:24,350 --> 00:06:26,950 Speaker 2: I love reading to my kids. And I think you 132 00:06:26,970 --> 00:06:29,430 Speaker 2: guys have discovered this as well in your own parenting 133 00:06:29,470 --> 00:06:32,089 Speaker 2: that sometimes I learn as much as my kid is 134 00:06:32,130 --> 00:06:35,270 Speaker 2: learning as I'm reading to them. Sometimes those are Bible stories, 135 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:36,669 Speaker 2: by the way. So especially when you get to the 136 00:06:36,690 --> 00:06:38,229 Speaker 2: Old Testament and I'm reading to my kid, I'm like, 137 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:44,850 Speaker 2: this is in there? So I love how that works. Montel, 138 00:06:44,890 --> 00:06:47,250 Speaker 2: you've experienced some enormous highs and lows in your career. 139 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: Of course, people know you from your music, This Is 140 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: How We Do It. You've had a number one song worldwide, 141 00:06:52,660 --> 00:06:56,060 Speaker 2: and you've also recently battled prostate cancer. So how has, 142 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,820 Speaker 2: you spoke briefly about your fear of the water and 143 00:06:59,860 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 2: fear of swimming, but how has your understanding of fear 144 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,690 Speaker 2: and trusting God in the midst of the fear changed 145 00:07:05,350 --> 00:07:08,490 Speaker 2: through maybe your experience in battling cancer? Yeah. 146 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:10,610 Speaker 4: Well, thank you for asking that. I mean, it's crazy 147 00:07:10,670 --> 00:07:14,250 Speaker 4: that we are releasing a book that's navigating, you know, 148 00:07:14,370 --> 00:07:19,450 Speaker 4: childhood fears when, you know, there's adult fears, too. You know, 149 00:07:19,870 --> 00:07:22,370 Speaker 4: no one wants to hear those words. You know, it's cancer. 150 00:07:23,230 --> 00:07:26,530 Speaker 4: And when you do hear them, you are faced with 151 00:07:27,190 --> 00:07:30,630 Speaker 4: you've got a response that you have to come to 152 00:07:30,650 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 4: a conclusion. You have to have something resolute that. allows 153 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: you to be able to navigate what that journey was. 154 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:40,250 Speaker 4: And that's what I had to navigate. And so in 155 00:07:40,310 --> 00:07:42,910 Speaker 4: hearing those words, I can tell you that it was 156 00:07:43,690 --> 00:07:48,970 Speaker 4: immediately shock, of course, but something that was inside immediately 157 00:07:48,990 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 4: when I heard it says, this is not going to 158 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:53,100 Speaker 4: kill me. So I mean, when he said, when the 159 00:07:53,140 --> 00:07:56,780 Speaker 4: doctor said this, because I was taught and in ministry, 160 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,370 Speaker 4: I know that what you speak, what comes out of 161 00:08:00,410 --> 00:08:04,370 Speaker 4: your mouth. I've known people that they hear they got 162 00:08:04,410 --> 00:08:08,310 Speaker 4: a cancer diagnosis and three weeks later they're dead or 163 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: they succumb to the disease. And immediately when I heard 164 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,340 Speaker 4: the words, hey, got good news and bad news. The 165 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,740 Speaker 4: bad news is it's cancer. And the good news is 166 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 4: it's caught early enough. And so we have options. But 167 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,060 Speaker 4: the moment he said it's cancer, the thing that popped 168 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: into my heart was I said, this is not going 169 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:29,050 Speaker 4: to kill me. It's not going to kill me. It 170 00:08:29,070 --> 00:08:32,310 Speaker 4: didn't mean that I wasn't afraid. It didn't mean that 171 00:08:33,130 --> 00:08:35,410 Speaker 4: I just charged that hill like all cancer. 172 00:08:35,450 --> 00:08:39,689 Speaker 3: It was just literally in the face of fear, what 173 00:08:39,710 --> 00:08:40,250 Speaker 3: do you do? 174 00:08:41,570 --> 00:08:44,730 Speaker 4: And I think part of it is I trust that 175 00:08:45,670 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 4: I'm not going to have to navigate cancer and God 176 00:08:48,620 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 4: be apart from me to watch me navigate cancer. I 177 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 4: believe I'm going to navigate cancer and God is going 178 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:57,980 Speaker 4: to be right there with me in the midst of cancer. 179 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,100 Speaker 3: And that's what happened. 180 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: That's what happened the first time when I had surgery 181 00:09:01,940 --> 00:09:04,710 Speaker 4: to have my prostate removed. And that's what happened the 182 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 4: second time when cancer returned nine to 10 months later. 183 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,250 Speaker 4: And I had to have proton therapy treatments, which amounted 184 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:15,589 Speaker 4: to seven and a half weeks, 37 treatments of every 185 00:09:15,630 --> 00:09:20,670 Speaker 4: single day, navigating, having radiation shot into my body and 186 00:09:20,809 --> 00:09:24,530 Speaker 4: the entire way. I know God was there with me 187 00:09:25,150 --> 00:09:28,290 Speaker 4: and I was afraid. And I did it afraid. And 188 00:09:28,330 --> 00:09:31,290 Speaker 4: so there's a part of Shiloh, I think, that's in me. 189 00:09:31,309 --> 00:09:34,790 Speaker 4: I think it's a part of Shiloh that's in Kristen, 190 00:09:34,890 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 4: having a husband, navigating cancer two times. And how do 191 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,580 Speaker 4: you navigate wanting to keep your husband and keep him 192 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 4: alive and keep him healthy and what's going to happen 193 00:09:42,780 --> 00:09:45,859 Speaker 4: to the family and to take one brave step at 194 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 4: a time. This is the journey we've been on to 195 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 4: release the cliffhanger. 196 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,180 Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, I'm cancer-free. 197 00:09:55,140 --> 00:10:00,050 Speaker 4: My prostate-specific antigen level is 0.01, which is known as 198 00:10:00,170 --> 00:10:04,540 Speaker 4: undetectable or cancer-free. Undetected for life. Undetected for life. That's 199 00:10:04,660 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 4: our belief that we're going to be undetected for life. 200 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,780 Speaker 4: But yeah, that is a part of the journey. And 201 00:10:10,820 --> 00:10:14,980 Speaker 4: we made eating changes, dietary changes, workout changes. We did 202 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,530 Speaker 4: a lot of things to not medically only do what 203 00:10:18,570 --> 00:10:21,429 Speaker 4: we're supposed to do, but holistically do what we're supposed 204 00:10:21,470 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 4: to do. I fast and we fast together once a 205 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,939 Speaker 4: month for three to four days, sometimes five days to 206 00:10:29,020 --> 00:10:33,819 Speaker 4: reset the body, ketosis, all those different things that, you know, 207 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,620 Speaker 4: medically and holistically, physically, we're doing everything that we need 208 00:10:37,660 --> 00:10:40,490 Speaker 4: to do for God to be able to utilize me 209 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:43,170 Speaker 4: and utilize us to the greatest extent possible. 210 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 3: To advance the kingdom. Absolutely. 211 00:10:46,420 --> 00:10:58,900 Speaker 2: A couple of follow-up questions there. When was this cancer battle? 212 00:10:58,940 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: How long ago? 213 00:11:00,140 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: How many years? 214 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,579 Speaker 4: Diagnosed January of 2024. Surgery November of 2024 to have 215 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:12,020 Speaker 4: the prostate removed. declared pretty close to. 216 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:17,100 Speaker 1: Being cancer-free after that. They said cancer-free. 217 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 4: August of 2025, that's when a recurrence or something hidden 218 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 4: showed up. And then that's when we had the proton 219 00:11:24,700 --> 00:11:26,739 Speaker 4: therapy in October and November of 2025. 220 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: Christmas Day of 2025 declared undetectable and still undetectable. 221 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:37,110 Speaker 2: It's a good Christmas gift right there. 222 00:11:37,270 --> 00:11:37,890 Speaker 3: Oh, my God. 223 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:38,390 Speaker 2: Oh, man. 224 00:11:38,410 --> 00:11:38,900 Speaker 3: Praise the Lord. 225 00:11:38,980 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: Our doctor was so kind. 226 00:11:40,220 --> 00:11:40,500 Speaker 3: Dr. 227 00:11:40,540 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Johnny, he actually took time away from his family to 228 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,340 Speaker 1: call us on that day. 229 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: On Christmas Day. 230 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:45,900 Speaker 1: To give us the greatest gift. 231 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 232 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: Amen. Somebody might ask about your fasting. What does that 233 00:11:50,350 --> 00:11:53,750 Speaker 2: look like practically to you? You're drinking something, of course, 234 00:11:53,809 --> 00:11:55,609 Speaker 2: but what are you fasting from? 235 00:11:56,270 --> 00:12:01,689 Speaker 4: Normally, fasting for us is anything that's right around 72 236 00:12:01,690 --> 00:12:02,890 Speaker 4: hours and it's just water. 237 00:12:03,740 --> 00:12:04,460 Speaker 3: It's all water. 238 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:06,140 Speaker 4: So what it'll look like for me is I will 239 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,460 Speaker 4: start on a Sunday night. I'll eat meals or whatever, 240 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 4: start tapering off. When I get to Sunday around midnight, 241 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 4: 10 o'clock or midnight, my body comes underneath submission. Normally, 242 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,740 Speaker 4: our appetites dictate. 243 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:20,780 Speaker 3: How we move, where we go. What am I going 244 00:12:20,820 --> 00:12:21,900 Speaker 3: to do for lunch tomorrow? 245 00:12:22,059 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 4: It's crazy how much food dictates what we do. 246 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 247 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:30,929 Speaker 1: When you fast, you realize... You can't do lunch, dinner, breakfast. 248 00:12:31,470 --> 00:12:34,550 Speaker 1: But the thing is, is our flesh needs that submission. 249 00:12:34,650 --> 00:12:34,870 Speaker 2: Yeah. 250 00:12:34,950 --> 00:12:38,329 Speaker 4: And it's not just intermittent fasting. It is literally a 251 00:12:39,150 --> 00:12:43,300 Speaker 4: time of prayer, a time of devotion, hearing clear from God, 252 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: allowing your body to cleanse itself. You're regenerating all new 253 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,620 Speaker 4: cells during that time period. 254 00:12:49,940 --> 00:12:53,730 Speaker 3: Normally, you could go a day with water and It's 255 00:12:53,770 --> 00:12:54,330 Speaker 3: a big deal. 256 00:12:54,350 --> 00:12:57,830 Speaker 4: But after after 48 hours, that's when the body goes 257 00:12:57,910 --> 00:13:01,330 Speaker 4: into a state of ketosis where literally it's now burning fat. 258 00:13:02,050 --> 00:13:04,189 Speaker 4: By the time you get to 72 hours, your body 259 00:13:04,230 --> 00:13:08,110 Speaker 4: has regenerated all new cells. So that's something that I 260 00:13:08,130 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 4: highly recommend anybody that's navigating any type of of cancer. 261 00:13:12,580 --> 00:13:12,900 Speaker 3: It is. 262 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know the full context behind the 263 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: research on data. 264 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: But we had an incredible trainer. Coach, shout out to 265 00:13:22,660 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: Coach Rochelle T. 266 00:13:23,860 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: Parks. 267 00:13:24,580 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: She taught us how to do this cleansing and like 268 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,460 Speaker 1: she did a pantry audit. They would have scared you 269 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:33,500 Speaker 1: to life. My kids were like, oh, my gosh, what's happening? 270 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,550 Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. But all their all their 271 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:38,150 Speaker 1: little nasty snacks got thrown away. 272 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:41,950 Speaker 4: It's just things you think are healthy that aren't. It's 273 00:13:42,090 --> 00:13:45,949 Speaker 4: really there's this sugar thing. There's so much sugar, man, 274 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:49,940 Speaker 4: in everything that we consume. Which being cancer, so that 275 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:50,460 Speaker 4: was the part. 276 00:13:50,860 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: I think in a hundred years, our grandkids and our 277 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: great-grandkids are going to think we were crazy for some 278 00:13:56,100 --> 00:14:01,220 Speaker 2: of the stuff that we ate. Let's briefly talk, Montel, 279 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:03,590 Speaker 2: about what you're doing now in your career and what 280 00:14:03,620 --> 00:14:07,270 Speaker 2: you're doing with Kristen. Everybody knows you as the singer 281 00:14:07,309 --> 00:14:08,610 Speaker 2: behind This Is How We Do It. I think you 282 00:14:08,630 --> 00:14:11,350 Speaker 2: turned 30 in the past year or so? 283 00:14:11,450 --> 00:14:12,570 Speaker 3: Yes, 30. 284 00:14:12,570 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: When you sing that song today, Are you the same 285 00:14:15,380 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: person singing it or does it mean something completely different 286 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 2: to you? 287 00:14:19,060 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 4: I think it is someone completely different. And the way 288 00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: I've tried to explain it when I go out and 289 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,230 Speaker 4: I do sing the song is I say that what 290 00:14:29,540 --> 00:14:32,270 Speaker 4: I'm able to do by singing this song 31 years 291 00:14:32,330 --> 00:14:37,010 Speaker 4: later is I give people nostalgia. I believe that music 292 00:14:37,090 --> 00:14:40,070 Speaker 4: is the soundtrack to our lives. Meaning when you have 293 00:14:40,090 --> 00:14:42,050 Speaker 4: a good memory in your life, there's probably a song 294 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:44,590 Speaker 4: attached to it. If you have a tragic moment in 295 00:14:44,630 --> 00:14:47,630 Speaker 4: your life, there's probably some music attached to it. And 296 00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:50,450 Speaker 4: what I do with my music is I give you 297 00:14:50,510 --> 00:14:53,020 Speaker 4: time travel. I literally take you back through those highs 298 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,380 Speaker 4: and lows of a lifetime based on how my music 299 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 4: impacted you at that time. And so in addition to 300 00:14:59,940 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: giving you nostalgia, I also get to show you what 301 00:15:03,950 --> 00:15:05,510 Speaker 4: it looks like when God gets a hold of a 302 00:15:05,550 --> 00:15:08,450 Speaker 4: man's heart and then changes them. and then puts them 303 00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:11,110 Speaker 4: right back out where people remember him, but they know 304 00:15:11,130 --> 00:15:13,470 Speaker 4: that something is different, but they can't tell what that 305 00:15:13,550 --> 00:15:16,150 Speaker 4: difference is. And then I'm able to share that it 306 00:15:16,270 --> 00:15:21,290 Speaker 4: is the power of Christ that transformed my heart that, yeah, 307 00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:24,940 Speaker 4: I'm singing a song, but it's a different man that 308 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:27,900 Speaker 4: God created in me that you're seeing sing the song. 309 00:15:27,940 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 4: And so it feels different when I'm telling you, lift 310 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,780 Speaker 4: up your hands. I'm not telling you to lift up 311 00:15:32,820 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 4: your hands for me anymore. I'm pointing to something different 312 00:15:35,540 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 4: and you can feel it and know that that there's 313 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,620 Speaker 4: something different. So yeah, the song still is an inroads 314 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,660 Speaker 4: to the hearts of people, but it now has a 315 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 4: different purpose that I get to allow people to see 316 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,660 Speaker 4: what God did in me and makes available to them. 317 00:15:51,470 --> 00:15:52,010 Speaker 3: Amen to that. 318 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:56,250 Speaker 2: So you have quite a few, I guess, irons in 319 00:15:56,270 --> 00:15:56,990 Speaker 2: the fire right now. 320 00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:58,370 Speaker 3: You do that. 321 00:15:58,470 --> 00:16:01,490 Speaker 2: And I believe, are you a worship pastor as well? 322 00:16:01,770 --> 00:16:03,900 Speaker 2: I mean, are you I'm a worshiper. 323 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,500 Speaker 4: For a while, I was on staff at a church. 324 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 4: I was a worship pastor. I was an executive pastor. 325 00:16:10,420 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 4: And then we pastored a church for two years, a 326 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: virtual church called Masterpiece Church, MPC. We did that for 327 00:16:16,380 --> 00:16:20,020 Speaker 4: two years. And then upon taking on the journey of 328 00:16:20,060 --> 00:16:22,740 Speaker 4: battling cancer, that was a place that we felt like 329 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,260 Speaker 4: the Lord released us to be able to stay in 330 00:16:25,330 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 4: community and small group with those people who were attending 331 00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:31,390 Speaker 4: the church. But the place of that virtual space is 332 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:34,869 Speaker 4: no longer there. viable for us. But yes, so in 333 00:16:34,930 --> 00:16:39,450 Speaker 4: addition to us, we're still licensed and ordained pastor. We 334 00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:43,370 Speaker 4: now pastor the unpastored. So when I'm out on tour 335 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:48,979 Speaker 4: and I'm out with other recording artists and musicians and entertainers, Hollywood, 336 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:51,180 Speaker 4: all types of people who may not have the ability 337 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 4: to get to a church on Sunday, that's where we 338 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,700 Speaker 4: find ourselves ministering and ministering to lost people who enjoy 339 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,030 Speaker 4: music and are unsuspecting in secular spaces that God will 340 00:17:01,070 --> 00:17:02,790 Speaker 4: show up to tell them that you know, that he 341 00:17:02,860 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 4: loves them and he's angry at them and he misses them. 342 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,100 Speaker 1: And now we get to do, we do marriage ministry together. 343 00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:13,460 Speaker 1: We run a retreat center where we get to speak 344 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: to people who are in public spaces and allow them 345 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: a beautifully curated private place to heal. 346 00:17:20,010 --> 00:17:21,750 Speaker 3: We help public marriages heal in private. 347 00:17:22,369 --> 00:17:25,490 Speaker 4: And in doing that, we also get the opportunity to 348 00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:27,230 Speaker 4: be authors now as well. 349 00:17:27,310 --> 00:17:29,389 Speaker 3: So there's marriage ministry. 350 00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 4: There's, we're still touring new music and, and now heading 351 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,709 Speaker 4: into Christian authorship of trying to create content to counter 352 00:17:37,730 --> 00:17:40,169 Speaker 4: maybe some of the other messaging that's out there in 353 00:17:40,210 --> 00:17:44,030 Speaker 4: the world that we want to infuse a lovable character, 354 00:17:44,050 --> 00:17:47,530 Speaker 4: whether you're a Christian or not, that you can understand 355 00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 4: that the strength that Shiloh gets is not from himself. 356 00:17:51,820 --> 00:17:53,580 Speaker 3: And I think it's bigger than him. 357 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: Let me ask you one follow-up question as we land 358 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:58,780 Speaker 2: the plane here. Were you guys both believers when you 359 00:17:58,820 --> 00:18:01,500 Speaker 2: were married or did your Or is the answer yes, 360 00:18:01,540 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: but we grew in our faith as we enjoyed life together? 361 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: Now, this is funny. I was the saved one. I 362 00:18:08,140 --> 00:18:10,290 Speaker 3: was the heathen. I was flirting to convert. 363 00:18:11,050 --> 00:18:14,189 Speaker 4: And then I got saved. 364 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:15,070 Speaker 3: She got saved. 365 00:18:15,150 --> 00:18:17,790 Speaker 4: I found out I was in church, but I was 366 00:18:17,810 --> 00:18:21,129 Speaker 4: the heathen. I was always in church, but church wasn't 367 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 4: always in me. And so the journey early on with us, finally, 368 00:18:25,859 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 4: it really was she started chasing God. 369 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,670 Speaker 3: I was chasing her. God was chasing me. 370 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 4: Eventually, both of us started chasing after God and God 371 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,899 Speaker 4: caught us both. And so we entered the industry and 372 00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 4: the entertainment business, both chasing after God and not fully 373 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:50,630 Speaker 4: knowing what that would look like. But along the 30-year journey, 374 00:18:51,150 --> 00:18:54,590 Speaker 4: we have found ourselves able to maintain and sustain a 375 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:57,990 Speaker 4: marriage and to be together again. and to now be 376 00:18:58,170 --> 00:19:01,230 Speaker 4: influential to other marriages and people who want to know 377 00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:02,790 Speaker 4: how to get through three decades. 378 00:19:02,890 --> 00:19:04,429 Speaker 1: And 30 years later, here we are. 379 00:19:04,970 --> 00:19:05,430 Speaker 3: Amen. 380 00:19:05,630 --> 00:19:09,140 Speaker 2: And I'm assuming that, you know, most artists and most 381 00:19:09,859 --> 00:19:14,740 Speaker 2: musicians would love to just have one single that, you know, 382 00:19:14,780 --> 00:19:16,379 Speaker 2: lands on the billboard chart. But, you know, you have 383 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,830 Speaker 2: this hit that has opened the door to so much 384 00:19:19,890 --> 00:19:20,710 Speaker 2: ministry in your life. 385 00:19:20,790 --> 00:19:21,449 Speaker 3: Is that correct? 386 00:19:21,490 --> 00:19:24,369 Speaker 2: I mean, you probably are able to minister to people 387 00:19:25,340 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 2: that you would have never been able to minister to 388 00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:29,820 Speaker 2: because of that just because of that one song. 389 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: I would propose that it was the whole. 390 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:36,389 Speaker 4: Reason yeah i would say that i would say that 391 00:19:36,410 --> 00:19:38,470 Speaker 4: god gave us that now he gave us other number 392 00:19:38,550 --> 00:19:41,129 Speaker 4: one songs we have we have lots of songs and 393 00:19:41,170 --> 00:19:45,270 Speaker 4: but that particular song is the calling card yeah that 394 00:19:45,910 --> 00:19:49,649 Speaker 4: immediately you know i think it was billboard says it's 395 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:52,950 Speaker 4: one of the top 100 party anthems of the last century. 396 00:19:53,710 --> 00:19:56,609 Speaker 4: So in that space of time of the great songs 397 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:59,190 Speaker 4: that are out there, we've just tried to make that 398 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: song to turn it from performance into having purpose, really, 399 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 4: to where the song is the entry point. 400 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: But ultimately. 401 00:20:10,190 --> 00:20:12,250 Speaker 4: If God doesn't get the glory from what we're doing 402 00:20:12,290 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 4: with it now, there's no reason for us to be there. 403 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:16,580 Speaker 3: Amen to that. 404 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: The book that we've been talking about is Shiloh and 405 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 2: the Not-So-Scary Girl Above His Bed. And the authors are 406 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: Kristen and Montel Jordan. 407 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,740 Speaker 3: Kristen and Montel, thanks so much. Thank you, man. We 408 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 3: appreciate you. Appreciate you. 409 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 5: If you enjoyed today's interview, please make sure to subscribe 410 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:35,460 Speaker 5: and share the episode with a friend. A big thanks 411 00:20:35,770 --> 00:20:37,969 Speaker 5: to the team at Life Audio for their partnership with 412 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:41,429 Speaker 5: us on the podcast. If you go to lifeaudio.com, you 413 00:20:41,470 --> 00:20:46,060 Speaker 5: will find dozens of other faith-centered podcasts in their network. 414 00:20:46,580 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: See you next time.