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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome to today's Out of Zion podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: doctor Susan Michael, and I have with me today a

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Speaker 2: long time and very good friend, Rabbi Schmuel Bowman. Now

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Speaker 2: we've had Rabbi Bowman on the program a couple of

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Speaker 2: times before. He's talked about his personal story, how he

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Speaker 2: grew up, was raised to appreciate Jewish Christian relationship and dialogue.

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Speaker 2: And we've also talked about the importance of Jewish roots

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Speaker 2: of Christianity. And I encourage you to look up those

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Speaker 2: previous interviews. As we have him here today, we won't

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Speaker 2: Schmiel, I want to welcome you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being with us today. So you sharing with us.

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Speaker 2: So you're the executive director of Operation Life Shield, and

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Speaker 2: we have been very close partners in Israel. We have

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Speaker 2: placed you can tell me, over two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: bomb shelters, yes, and in vulnerable communities. We place them

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Speaker 2: on school playgrounds, near bus stops, community centers, out where

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Speaker 2: people are in danger if a missile starts to come

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Speaker 1: And you've been our partner with that.

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Speaker 2: You're the one that is actually ordered and produced the

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Speaker 2: bomb shelters, and you've helped us to find the right

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Speaker 2: locations for them. And so we've worked together so closely

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Speaker 2: for how many years now this is our twentieth year,

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Speaker 2: twentieth year, and we consider you the Rabbi for the

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Speaker 2: ICEJ right, Honor ju Erusalems, And you've helped us in

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Speaker 2: so many ways. You've guided us in our relationship with

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Speaker 2: the people of Israel, You've guided us in our projects

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Speaker 2: and our ministry, and so you really are part of

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Speaker 2: the ICJ family, and we thank you for being.

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Speaker 1: With us today.

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Speaker 2: Tell us a couple of the more recent projects that

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Speaker 2: we've done together and how it has been such a

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Speaker 2: blessing to the people of Israel.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: So this partnership that we've had now going into year

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Speaker 4: twenty is really rooted in three pillars. And that's the

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Speaker 4: pillar of our close relationship with the security chiefs of

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Speaker 4: all the regions and all the municipalities in Israel. Not

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Speaker 4: be exaggerating in the least if I told you that

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Speaker 4: I'm in touch with at least one security chief on

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Speaker 4: a daily basis. So if the course of the week

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Speaker 4: or the course of the month, we really get a

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Speaker 4: survey of what's going on, and they're able to respond

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Speaker 4: to us and let us know exactly what the real

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Speaker 4: needs are on the ground without going through any bureaucracy,

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Speaker 4: without going through anything political. What's needed. Okay, that's the

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Speaker 4: first pillar. The second pillar is what the actual manufacturers.

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Speaker 4: We have a very close relationship with a number of suppliers,

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Speaker 4: and as a result of that, we actually jump the list.

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Speaker 4: seems to make a difference. As a result, we're able

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Speaker 4: to get shelters and other projects out as fast as possible.

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Speaker 4: And of course the third pillar is our relationship with you.

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Speaker 4: The relationship with international Christian Embasy Jerusalem means that, as

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Speaker 4: and that feedback. I'm in touch with your representatives, in

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Speaker 4: Two projects that come to mind that ic j U

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Speaker 4: do with, believe it or not, waterproofing underground bomb shelters

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Speaker 4: But you know what, water it turns out is the

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Speaker 4: mind bomb shelters, but waterproofing bomb shelters, lives have been saved,

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Speaker 4: peace of mind and comfort. The other project is in Horfish.

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Speaker 4: This is a Druze village again right on the border

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Speaker 4: amazing people. And yet you know, during the war with Isbellah,

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Speaker 4: very heavy rocket attack. When most of the other communities evacuated,

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Speaker 4: on those shelters are just lovely. They have the Israeli

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Speaker 4: great message. So when people come along, they go. This

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Speaker 4: shelter was donated by Christians in the United States to

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Speaker 2: The Drus are such a special people because they are

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Speaker 1: But they are so loyal to the.

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Speaker 2: State of Israel and they really deserve to be blessed,

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Speaker 2: and they they are there, they're living proof every day

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Speaker 2: Israel's not an apartheid state.

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Speaker 1: Israel's not racist.

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Speaker 2: They are not anti other religions. Here's this minority that

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Speaker 1: And also, you know.

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Speaker 2: During the Hebella rockets that were coming in our missiles,

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Speaker 2: about that, and I'm sure you did something. We slice

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Speaker 4: the go line. This is a purposeful direct attack by

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can't get so you want to talk

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Speaker 4: about a war crime that hasn't been even talked about.

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Speaker 2: And Hesballan knew what they were doing. They're right there,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't an accident.

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Speaker 4: The technology that they're using, the weaponry they're using actually

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Speaker 4: able to actually identify these things aren't coming, you know,

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Speaker 4: there Smidigoro's atrocity. I CEJ responded the same day, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't there's no there was no daylight between uh, the

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Speaker 4: really mention Susan is that the response. But the ICJ

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Speaker 4: was twofold. We want to make sure your children are protected. Well,

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Speaker 4: we also want to show what we're standing with you. Well,

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Speaker 4: wyantn't you to know that even though the higher world

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Speaker 4: you know, oh, little occidents happened, Oh you know, no,

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Speaker 4: you know, while Israel's being a tech but Israel's being

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Speaker 4: for war crimes. This sort of thing is is excuse.

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Speaker 4: And let's not forget who the main sponsor of his

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Speaker 4: a decision and saying go after that, Yes, ICJ stood

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Speaker 4: there and said we're standing with you, not alone.

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Speaker 2: So in your twenty year history of doing this, this

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Speaker 2: Eighteen years by before the attack on October the seventh,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. That means they were your friends, you

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Speaker 2: knew them very well. You I can't imagine the pain

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Speaker 2: And so tell us just briefly the pain of that

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Speaker 4: Right Well, we went from October the fifth, where we

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Speaker 4: had hundreds, six hundred, six hundred Christians on the border.

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Speaker 4: That wall two days later would be breached and nineteen

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Speaker 4: be massacred. Okay, So I mean so that sense of

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Speaker 4: disbelief is one one level of shock. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: our first pillar is that I'm in touch with our

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Speaker 4: of course we don't know what's going on as a crisis,

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Speaker 4: but he understood after a while. I lost twelve friends.

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Speaker 4: Twelve of my friends were murdered on Artoty the seventh.

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Speaker 4: Nine of them were security security volunteers and persondel but

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Speaker 4: one of them, Leave Boot Leave Nutcoots was even though

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Speaker 4: Kritz was an educator, a teacher, and she was teaching

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Speaker 4: children who had PTSD on how to do well in

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Speaker 4: school using all sorts of artistic methods, and the ICJ

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Speaker 4: had donated the shelter in that facility, in her facility

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Speaker 4: in order so that she was murdered along with her husband,

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Speaker 4: that we're coming in. We're doing good. People are like

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, let's take a break and hear a message

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Speaker 4: Michael Well Schmuel.

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Speaker 2: You are a Orthodox Jewish rabbi and Taurus scribe. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you've been witnessed to a growing relationship between Jews

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Speaker 4: So, first of all, it's a great honor on many

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Speaker 4: we going forwards? And you know we've talked about this before.

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Speaker 4: We're in a Zachariah moment. We're in a Zachariah moment.

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Speaker 5: Are the ones who are gathering celebrating, Yes, but there's

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Speaker 4: They're coming against Israel. They look at the Book of Zachariah.

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Speaker 1: And it's exactly what's.

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Speaker 4: Taking exactly word for word. And as a Taurus scribe,

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Speaker 1: Guess what Isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 2: And it's no coincidence that God birth the ICJ at

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Speaker 1: And we see.

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Speaker 2: We're getting so close to those days as the nations

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Speaker 4: And this is why, just like I had said to

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Speaker 4: As you say, you're the preparation that is happening now.

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Speaker 2: And I from my vantage point, I've been around many

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Speaker 2: But what we see happening today blows my mind. And

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Speaker 1: It's looking like we may have five.

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Speaker 2: Together because the relationship is so important. For some of them,

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And to see that the relationship now is getting to

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Speaker 2: Yes. And but but to see that, it's definitely God.

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Speaker 4: So it's very very interesting because if you think about it,

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Speaker 2: Well, Rabbi Bowman, thank you so much for spending time

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