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Speaker 2: The hell it always goes, isn't it. At least it's

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Speaker 3: Isn't that the way it goes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, mm hmmm. Good night or tomorrow tonight?

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Speaker 4: Okay, good, yeah, yeah, okay, I'm good.

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Speaker 5: Are you good, Michael?

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Speaker 3: I'm always good.

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Speaker 5: Two, Hey, everybody, thanks so much for joining us right

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Speaker 5: here on the right view.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, we're joined by the host of.

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Speaker 5: The YouTube show The Michael Cohen Show and Substack creator

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Speaker 5: Michael Cohen.

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Speaker 2: Michael, I gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: The Bengo card for twenty twenty six was not that

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Speaker 5: we would be sitting down together and having a conversation.

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Speaker 5: But you actually reached out to me, which I really appreciated.

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Speaker 5: I don't think you and I have talked in ten

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Speaker 3: I'm in years to be exact, there you.

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Speaker 5: Go in nine years, okay, And you kind of reached

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Speaker 5: out very frustrated to me yesterday, and I said, why

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Speaker 5: tell me what's been going on? With you and why

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, there's a lot of stuff that's clearly

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Speaker 6: my own Democratic party has started to pull away from

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Speaker 6: and that's not how democracy works. And so I thought

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually think you know you and I probably

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Speaker 5: Made a pledge for fifty million dollars to Saint Jude.

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Speaker 6: Actually, I hate to say, you and I met way

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Speaker 6: And the false claim that I'm being attacked on every

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Speaker 5: The fact that you and I haven't spoken for nine

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Speaker 6: That I do, in fact, something that I think both

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're gonna bring tears to my eyes now, because

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And I think that's the problem.

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Speaker 6: time I ever heard from the prosecutors, this guy Tom

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Speaker 6: McKay or Nick Russe at the time Southern District of

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Speaker 6: New York.

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Speaker 3: The very first.

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Speaker 6: Time I ever heard from any of them was after

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Speaker 6: they spoke to my lawyer on a Friday at five

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Speaker 6: point thirty pm, where they told him, if mister Cohen

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Speaker 6: doesn't come in on Monday, at nine am to plead guilty.

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Speaker 6: We're filing an eighty page indictment that's going to include

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Speaker 6: his wife.

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Speaker 3: Point in time, I.

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Speaker 6: Turned around and I said, no problem, I'll see you

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Speaker 6: on Monday.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 5: Now, that's the thing that I think people don't appreciate

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Speaker 5: as well, is the fact that you know it's one

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Speaker 5: thing to target you, which you know, a lot of people,

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Speaker 5: as you just explained, would argue that no other person

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Speaker 5: would have been targeted in that way save for who

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Speaker 5: you were and who you worked for. But then to

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Speaker 5: bring your family into it, Michael's that's pretty scary stuff. Sadly,

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Speaker 5: you're not the only person who has felt pressure like that.

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Speaker 2: I know firsthand from talking with other people.

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Speaker 5: This is the way that this is done in the

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Speaker 5: State of New York and the City of New York

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Speaker 5: as well.

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Speaker 6: It happens unfortunately everywhere. And you know what, the entire

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Speaker 6: Justice Department, as it says in the book Three Felonies

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Speaker 6: a Day, needs a complete and total overhaul these.

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Speaker 3: These cases.

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Speaker 6: The manner to which prosecutors act, it's wrong.

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Speaker 3: It's not justice.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we may be a country of laws, but there

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Speaker 6: is no justice if the system wants you and when

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Speaker 6: the system wants you. Doesn't make a difference if you're

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Speaker 6: Michael Cohen, Laura Trump, or President Trump. The system will

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Speaker 6: always get you.

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Speaker 2: Well, what do you what are you up to these days?

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Speaker 5: Obviously I know about your We talked about your substack,

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Speaker 5: the YouTube show that you have.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing with your time? And how is

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Speaker 2: life for you?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 6: Life is very difficult, you know, it's gotten even harder,

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Speaker 6: especially since that article in Substack, and since I refuse

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Speaker 6: to again go out there and embellish and lie and

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Speaker 6: distort the truth about President Trump.

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Speaker 3: I will not.

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Speaker 6: And they say, oh, well, you're just bending the need

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Speaker 6: for him. Why Why is bending the need for him

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Speaker 6: simply by telling the truth. I can't understand that. I

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Speaker 6: can't rationalize it. I do a lot of writing. I

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Speaker 6: do all my own writing on my even on my

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Speaker 6: Maya Culpa podcast. This, by the way, this caused me

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Speaker 6: to lose even my production company that I was with

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Speaker 6: for six years. I've now found a new one called

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Speaker 6: True Wave Entertainment. In fact, it's given me the opportunity

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Speaker 6: I'm in the process of working with Rumble right now

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Speaker 6: and Laura Lumer to create a podcast of our own

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Speaker 6: called Across the aisle where people can have a conversation

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Speaker 6: from different sides of the aisle, where we understand and

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Speaker 6: acknowledge just how much we really have more in common,

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Speaker 6: and stop the divisiveness, stop the attacks. You know, everything

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Speaker 6: that the president says does not have to be attacked

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Speaker 6: by the left, nor does it also have to be

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Speaker 6: acknowledged and agree to by the right.

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Speaker 3: You know, we can all turn.

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Speaker 6: Around and say, yes, this is the right thing. He's

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Speaker 6: doing the right thing. If President Trump created the cure

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Speaker 6: tomorrow for cancer, yeah, the far left would turn around

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Speaker 6: and many would turn on Yeah. But he didn't create

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Speaker 6: the cure for the common cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, ya. He talks about this all the time.

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Speaker 5: He says I could cure cancer and they would still

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Speaker 5: hate me and they would.

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Speaker 3: Still a right.

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Speaker 6: But he needs the second half of that line. He

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Speaker 6: didn't create the common cold.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's incrazy.

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Speaker 2: You're so right. Well, listen, I love the idea of that.

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Speaker 5: I am absolutely for bridging and bringing people together because

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Speaker 5: I think we have to. I think we all want

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Speaker 5: this country to be successful, and we're only going to

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Speaker 5: get there by people coming together. And like you said,

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Speaker 5: I think twice now, Michael, realizing we have more in

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Speaker 5: common than we do different, and I think at the

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Speaker 5: end of the day, that's a great reminder to all

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Speaker 5: of us out there. So good luck with what you

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Speaker 5: hopefully will have coming up very soon. What do you

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Speaker 5: want people, though, who listen to this podcast today to

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Speaker 5: take away from you choosing to sit down and talk

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Speaker 5: with me today. What do you hope people learn?

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Speaker 6: Because we're really just one country where one people, we

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Speaker 6: have situations like what's going on right now with Iran

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Speaker 6: and elsewhere, that we.

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Speaker 3: Need to be united.

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Speaker 6: If we can't be united amongst ourselves, how do we

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Speaker 6: then create a force against countries like Iran who are

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Speaker 6: and have been nuclear determined since nineteen seventy three. If

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Speaker 6: we can't be united.

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Speaker 5: To agree with you, it should be a unanimous democracy

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Speaker 5: situation that we all say we want to protect this country,

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Speaker 5: we want to ensure the future is bright. But sadly,

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Speaker 5: somewhere along the way, it seems like we got at

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Speaker 5: a little off track. I will say, I don't think

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Speaker 5: it's ever too late. I don't ever think it's too

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Speaker 5: late to do the right thing, to come together to,

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Speaker 5: you know, again, bridge the gap between I think two

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Speaker 5: parties that sadly have seemed to drift far apart, and

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Speaker 5: I want to say thank you, Michael, thank you for

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Speaker 5: for reaching out to me yesterday. It truly I said

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Speaker 5: to you, I said, it's great to hear from you.

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Speaker 5: It was great to hear from you. I like making amends,

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Speaker 5: I like keeping, you know, positive relationships with people, and

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Speaker 5: I really appreciate you being willing to sit down and

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Speaker 5: talk with me in such a public way. I think

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Speaker 5: it's really important for people to hear what you went through,

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Speaker 5: to hear what you witnessed and experienced, how that's been

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Speaker 5: for you, what it's done to you and your family,

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Speaker 5: and I hope that there's more of this to come.

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Speaker 2: So again, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Is there anything that you wanted to say coming on

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Speaker 5: today that I didn't ask you about.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure you and I will have more opportunities to speak.

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Speaker 6: I hope you invite me onto your Fox program. Congrats

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Speaker 6: on the great ratings zone.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: There's much more for us to talk about. Unfortunately, every

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Speaker 6: single day there's additional chaos that we all have to

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Speaker 6: live through. And by the way, imagine how much easier

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Speaker 6: living through all of this chaos would be if we

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Speaker 5: I love the sound of that. Let's make that the goal.

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Speaker 5: Michael Cohen, thank you so much for joining me here

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Speaker 5: on the right view. So great to see you, and

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Speaker 5: much more to come. Resch everybody please hi, I will

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Speaker 5: to Eric, I absolutely will, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: Would will.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Michael. Great to see you.

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Speaker 7: So I joined at a very young age the Reagan

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Speaker 7: Department of War, I should say, now, and so that's

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Speaker 7: And we've talked about this before my book Operation dark Heart.

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Speaker 7: Tony Schaeffer, Colonel Bond, Bond moment. My Bond moment is

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Speaker 7: and by the way, you've got an open invitation, Laura,

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Speaker 7: whenever you're up there, we'll get you. Is that's not

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Speaker 7: the one of this no, no, no. The one of

660
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 7: the CIA was closed years ago, and this new one

661
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 7: is purpose built. It's a four story building on Lafont Plaza.

662
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: It's huge.

663
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Speaker 7: And so you've got an open invitation, and Chris and

664
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 7: I would be happy to give you a tour anyway.

665
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 7: But anyway, so that's the kind of the sermon in

666
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 7: my background. So what pertains to our conversation? As you know,

667
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 7: I advised the campaign on national security. The issue is,

668
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 7: I don't believe we've had enough aggressive application of intelligence

669
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 7: collection and military operations that are actually needed to fulfill

670
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 7: US policy. And here goes President Trump and he just

671
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 7: starts doing stuff. And I think he recognizes the power

672
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Speaker 7: of intelligence and the need to use military operations as

673
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 7: a means of accomplishing policy goals, and that's what he's doing. Yeah.

674
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 5: Well, and because you were so deep into kind of

675
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 5: this intelligent space, you learned a lot tony that so

676
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 5: many of us really don't know about. Right, The average

677
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 5: American understood for a long time that Iran was no

678
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 5: good that you know their leadership, there was a funding

679
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 5: proxies around the region, and that obviously their goal was

680
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 5: to develop a nuclear weapon. But tell us, I mean,

681
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 5: what can you tell us that maybe people for a

682
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: long time or maybe still don't really realize about Iran

683
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: You probably knew a long time before many of us

684
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 5: that they were a big problem.

685
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 7: We did. We were studying this and we're trying to

686
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 7: sound the warning bells during the Obama administration. One of

687
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 7: the notable features of the Iranians being bad guys, they

688
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 7: dealt with other bad guys. One of those bad guys

689
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 7: was North Korea. Laura, what the American public didn't understand,

690
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 7: and we were trying to get out and we weren't permitted,

691
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 7: was to allow people to know that all this money

692
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 7: that the Obama administration was giving Iran it was going

693
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 7: to North Korea. They were basically paying the North Koreans

694
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Speaker 7: to help them kind of take shortcuts to develop their

695
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 7: nuclear program. Now I believe this, and I've said this

696
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 7: to you, and I'm going to say it publicly again.

697
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 7: I think that the Iranians probably had one or two

698
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 7: nuclear weapons that were essentially given to them by the

699
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 7: North Koreans for purposes of copying. For any number of reasons,

700
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 7: they were never successful in copying multiple copies. There's still

701
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 7: a discussion, which I think that's why we're in the

702
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 7: middle of combat operations now about where that material went.

703
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 7: I think we're going to come to find that they

704
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 7: had either completed or near completed at least a couple

705
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Speaker 7: of weapons. And I do believe this is one of

706
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 7: you probably get this too. President Trump promised no new

707
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 7: wars like no, he didn't say that. He promised no

708
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 7: long wars. He didn't say he wouldn't use military force

709
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 7: to protect the American people. So I do believe, Laura,

710
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 7: based on my direct knowledge during the Obama years, and

711
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 7: we tried, we worked with the first administration on this,

712
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 7: trying to warn people that the Iranians probably were on

713
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 7: the fast track that developed multiple weapons. And what was worse,

714
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 7: and this is why it's important, they weren't only going

715
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 7: to develop weapons and going to take them and put

716
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 7: them on their ballistic missiles, which is another target of

717
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 7: ours right now, and use those to go after the

718
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 7: Sunni and I Israelis. It's no accident that the Iranian

719
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 7: struck all of their neighbors when we attacked them, because

720
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Speaker 7: that was the plan all along. No, they didn't just

721
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 7: wake up and recognize they were being attacked, Laura, and

722
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Speaker 7: then oh, we got to reprogram everything to attack our neighbors. No, no, no, no.

723
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 7: If you look at the time we attacked them, the

724
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 7: next within hours, they were attacking their neighbors. That was

725
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 7: always the plan, just saying yeah, no, and it's.

726
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Speaker 2: It's an amazing time.

727
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Speaker 5: I continue, Tony to think about the fact that so

728
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 5: many people criticize President Trump and sort of his lack

729
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 5: of you know, experience in foreign affairs. And you know,

730
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 5: that was the one thing whenever he was compared to

731
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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton.

732
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Speaker 2: They say, oh, well, she has all this experience. She

733
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: was the Secretary of State.

734
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Speaker 5: This man has only been you know, a businessman and

735
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 5: a television star. And it's incredible to see this president

736
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 5: do things that for so long, so many people in

737
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: his position or around the president recognized.

738
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: Was it kind of a necessity we.

739
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 5: Needed to do something about Iran, We needed to ensure

740
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 5: they weren't going to develop a nuclear weapon. Now it's

741
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 5: terrifying actually to hear you say that the North Koreans

742
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 5: probably gave them something to copy and that they copied

743
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 5: a version of it?

744
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: Is that like a dirty bomb?

745
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 5: Like when I hear people talk about the fact, what

746
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 5: does that mean?

747
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: Like?

748
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: What could they do?

749
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: Now?

750
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Speaker 5: We've obviously targeted them, We saw the you know, Midnight

751
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 5: Hammer operation at least destroy what we believe was most

752
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 5: of their capability.

753
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: What's going on with? Where do you think things stand

754
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: right now?

755
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 7: Let me explain it in detail. And by the way,

756
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 7: just to hit that point about President Trump, President Trump

757
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 7: knowing the man, I don't know him as well as you,

758
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 7: but knowing him the way I do, he is very

759
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 7: instinctive in a good way. And I think he was

760
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 7: misled by certain people the first term, which I told

761
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 7: him to his face to walk back and life. I

762
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 7: don't think you had the best And Brader's giving you

763
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 7: some of the advice, just saying anyway.

764
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: Would he would agree with you on that?

765
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Speaker 7: Well, we could talk about that another day. But by

766
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 7: point being when you when people talk about Hillary and

767
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 7: all of her experience, anytime they talk about all of

768
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 7: her years of experience, I said, yeah, it was all bad,

769
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 7: it was all terrible. So you don't want to look there.

770
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Speaker 7: But let's go back to the topic. Of So the

771
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 7: issue is this, and I got a degree environmental study,

772
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 7: so I actually have had to study this. The issue

773
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 7: is uranium. What level of uranium do you have to

774
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 7: have to use for peaceful purposes? Three to five percent enrichment,

775
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 7: that's it, Laura, three to five percent. It takes a

776
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 7: very low enrichment level, and anything above five you start

777
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 7: getting into highly enriched. Highly enriched uranium is considered twenty percent.

778
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 7: Anywhere along the spectrum, then you can develop a dirty bomb.

779
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 7: That is to say that anything above three to five percent,

780
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 7: where you can put it with a conventional explosive and

781
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 7: blow it up, you would contaminate the environment with radiation.

782
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 7: That's a dirty bomb. And the Ranians could actually still

783
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 7: do that with the stockpile they have. That's why we're

784
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 7: working so hard to track down what they have. The

785
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 7: Uranians were at eighty percent. Eighty percent, Laura, that's weapons great.

786
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 7: So the fact that they kept saying, oh, this is

787
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 7: for peaceful purposes, like, no, it's not, we know it's not.

788
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: There's no other reason you would.

789
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 7: Have that exactly. That's exactly. So I just get up

790
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 7: frustrated with pundits who don't actually go through and try

791
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 7: to explain this clearly, is like, look, they don't need

792
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 7: to have that level of enrichment period. And I think

793
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 7: that's why President Trump, being smarter than the average bear,

794
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 7: said yeah, this makes sense to me. We can't allow this.

795
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 7: And one other factor here I think is important for

796
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 7: your audience to understand is that the basic format of

797
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 7: the of the nation, the theocracy, was based on a

798
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 7: death cult. And I'm not I'm trying not to be

799
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 7: over the top. People sometimes get upset, but the whole

800
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 7: concept of the Shia religion, the Shia religion is an

801
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 7: offshoot of Islam. The other is Sune that's the Arabs Laura.

802
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 7: The Shia believed that to bring back their version of

803
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 7: Jesus Christ, the twelfth m Mom the Mahdi, that they

804
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 7: had to create conditions for the apocalypse. So this was

805
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 7: our concern. It's like they were like Jim Jones, but

806
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 7: wanting to get nuclear weapons. It's not going to be cool,

807
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 7: it's gonna be nuclear weapons. And the idea here in

808
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 7: their belief, and this is why they were never deterred.

809
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 7: You couldn't buy them off, you couldn't intimidate them. They

810
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 7: were determined because they thought they were protected by their

811
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 7: God to get to the point of where they could

812
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 7: develop weapons and use them to create the apocalypse to

813
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 7: have their savior return. It's really that simple. And so

814
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 7: whenever you know, President Trump talks about them being religious extremists,

815
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 7: he's not kidding. This is an extreme ast.

816
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: You can get.

817
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 7: And that's why they were not deterred the money that

818
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 7: Obama gave them just to slow them down. It didn't

819
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 7: determin didn't slow them down. They just thought that that

820
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 7: they were being blessed by God, their God, by having

821
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 7: a stupid president give them all this money to help

822
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 7: them fulfill their prophecy. That's how bad this all was.

823
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, and you're right, I mean, this is this

824
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 5: sort of ideology.

825
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: Does not at any.

826
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 5: Point say well, you know what, maybe we'll put a

827
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 5: hold on this, maybe we're headed down the wrong path.

828
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 5: There was an an end goal ultimately. I mean, they

829
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 5: they chant death to America and death to Israel. They

830
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 5: call us the big Satan in America, and they call

831
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 5: Israel the little Satan. Right, No, that's not it's not

832
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 5: a joke, tony, right, Like, that's what these these people believes.

833
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 7: Take them at their word, them at.

834
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 5: The word from your expertise, though I I have, it

835
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 5: seems pretty clear this president, and I want you to

836
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 5: to weigh on on this and tell me what you think,

837
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 5: has kind of two objectives in terms of what's going

838
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 5: on in Iran right now. Obviously, the first objective and

839
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 5: the main objective, was to ensure that they never developed

840
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: a nuclear weapon. That was Operation Midnight Hammer that was

841
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 5: going in this time again and ensuring that they blow

842
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 5: up any place where or target at any place where

843
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 5: that could potentially.

844
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: Be going on.

845
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 5: But twofold and kind of in partnership with that, and

846
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 5: it kind of piggybacks on what you just said. Was

847
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 5: also the fact that it doesn't matter how many times

848
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 5: a country goes in and demolishes their nuclear program and

849
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 5: tries to destroy it, they will continue going back and rebuilding.

850
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 2: It because of what you just said.

851
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 5: And so it seems like the other objective of this

852
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: whole mission right now is to ensure that there is

853
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 5: some change there. And I know that, you know, I

854
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 5: guess regime changes the word that I want to use

855
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 5: or the term I want to use, but the President

856
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 5: hasn't really said that. But it seems like Tony, that's

857
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 5: the only way that you get around this is freeing

858
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 5: the Iranian people there from this regime which has oppressed them,

859
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 5: which has been absolutely horrific, which has obviously funded all

860
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 5: of this terror in and around the region there. And

861
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 5: I think that's kind of the other side of the

862
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 5: coin here, that's the other goal of epic fury.

863
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you're completely correct. The tactical objective is to

864
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 7: destroy the nucletar program. The operational objective is to make

865
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 7: sure that the government of Iran can never be permitted

866
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 7: to move forward with its completely holistically extreme view of

867
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 7: them being the chosen ones by a law to basically

868
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 7: bring about in times to kill us. So they're not

869
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 7: going to be deterred, and I think that's why regime

870
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 7: changed in some form. And they did say that the

871
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 7: government of Iran can never be permitted to have nuclear

872
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 7: weapons or continue to trouble its neighbors. So does that

873
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 7: mean regime change? Probably will, And I think that's where

874
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 7: Pete Hegstath gave that update today and kind of talked

875
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 7: about where they're going. But Laurie, I would argue, this

876
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 7: is a third strategic objective that the President Trump is doing,

877
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 7: and that is actually going after the forces of the globalists. Remember,

878
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 7: at the same time we're doing Iran, we were in Ecuador,

879
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 7: we just did Venezuela. We're putting pressure on a number

880
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 7: of places which will allow us, the United States, through

881
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 7: our policies, to actually predominate the world. One of the

882
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 7: issues that President Trump's trying to fix is the fact

883
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 7: that Lloyd's of London a handful of other institutions have

884
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 7: always played one side against the other, like the golf.

885
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 7: He was brilliant when he said when Lloyd's of London said, ah,

886
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 7: we're not going to ensure ships, basically believing they were

887
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 7: going to get the price of oil the three hundred

888
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 7: dollars a barrel, and he said, nah, we'll ensure the ships.

889
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 7: Thank you, we'll do it. In the past, Laura, we've

890
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 7: always cowtowed to this larger global initiative. It's like that

891
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 7: we don't have to. And if you notice, the price

892
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 7: of oil spiked about one hundred and eighteen dollars back

893
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 7: down to eighty five eighty six dollars right now because

894
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 7: of President Trump's brilliance on this, I think we're going

895
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 7: to get through this without all the time traditional whaling,

896
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 7: national teeth and right rising prices because he's actually playing

897
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 7: the long game and using these other engagements Venezuela Ecuador,

898
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 7: going after the drug guys, cartels, actually going after and

899
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 7: trying to stop illegal and illicit oil sales, making it

900
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 7: subordinated to our interests. That's what he's actually going to

901
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 7: do long term. So it's a three for he's doing

902
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 7: the tactical piece, doing the operational piece, but I think

903
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 7: he's got an eye on the strategic effects of what

904
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 7: he can do to change the trajectory of the world

905
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 7: for making America great again.

906
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 5: I would also argue you could probably lump in there

907
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 5: China and Russia as well, right, because that's exactly they're

908
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,479
Speaker 5: impacted by all of this.

909
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 7: Absolutely well, China more than Russia because all the talk,

910
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 7: all this this oil we're talking about, it's normally going

911
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 7: to the Chinese. So President Trump has said that he's

912
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 7: willing to accept in our the pub Pete Hegsteth published

913
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 7: the Defense Streetia guidance, We're willing to accept three spheres

914
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 7: of influence Russia, China, and the United States. And that

915
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 7: means we set up the terms for that and basically

916
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 7: none of those we don't all get along. But this

917
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 7: is the key. We're not globalists, and so the idea

918
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 7: here is creating competition. President Trump's all about competition, is

919
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 7: not about dominant So I think he's trying to set

920
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 7: up conditions for literally most of the world to win.

921
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 7: And the traditional London based globalists, well, they're not going

922
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 7: to do so well to include the EU, They're just

923
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 7: not going to go well in all of this.

924
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 5: So well, you know, as it relates to Operation Epic Fury,

925
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 5: the whole idea behind it, according to the President and

926
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 5: Secretary of War is that this isn't something that they

927
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 5: want to be long term.

928
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: They have said that they want.

929
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 5: That it's been you know, it could be like six

930
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 5: weeks maybe that we could see.

931
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: An end to this.

932
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: And I think i've I've heard you kind of speak

933
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 5: to the same that maybe within weeks we're going to

934
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 5: see this all wrap up. What targets do we already

935
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 5: know that maybe have been destroyed graded kind.

936
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: Of where do you think things stand?

937
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 5: And I guess from a military perspective, there's been a

938
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 5: lot that's already been destroyed. And Iran, I mean, they're

939
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 5: way down on launching any of their ICBMs. They're way

940
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 5: down on personnel to do more damage. Where do you

941
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 5: think things stand there right now?

942
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 7: So the actual ability of I Ran to launch ballistic

943
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 7: missiles and long range weapons has been diminished to the

944
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 7: point of where they started off with four hundred tails,

945
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 7: which are the surface the ballistic missile launchers are down

946
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 7: to about forty. Doesn't mean they're not a threat, but

947
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 7: they're reduced greatly. Their ability to launch their Shahab drones

948
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 7: also greatly reduced because they just can't launch them. We've

949
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 7: hit all the sites, they have no ability to regenerate

950
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 7: them right now. So that's another area. So I'm going

951
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 7: to stick with my forecast that we're going to be

952
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 7: done by mid month. This is not going to take

953
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 7: till April first. I think we're going to be done

954
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 7: by mid month because we're running out of targets literally,

955
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 7: and I think at this point that the three things

956
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 7: we're going after continuing to reduce that military term for

957
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 7: blow up the tells. We're going to try to get

958
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 7: them to zero. I think we'll get near zero by

959
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 7: this weekend, and then we're going to go about trying

960
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 7: to make sure we can find and stop any potential

961
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 7: use of their uranium. I don't think we got it

962
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 7: all in the attack before. I think we're going to

963
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 7: track it down. And while I don't think we have

964
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 7: a lot of boots on the ground, we have a

965
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 7: few boots on the ground looking at remote locations trying

966
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 7: to figure out where things are hidden. And that's ongoing

967
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 7: as we speak. I think that'll continue. And third, and

968
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 7: probably the most important category is leadership targets. The new

969
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 7: leader has been warned by President Trump, gee, you better

970
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 7: like figure out how to talk to us and comply

971
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 7: with our objectives, or else you're going to follow the

972
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 7: way of the forty other guys that died the first day.

973
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 7: And I don't think President Trump's joking. I think we

974
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 7: can track these guys down. So I think right now

975
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 7: we're trying to soften up the theocracy so that the

976
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 7: people can actually come in and take his place. And

977
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 7: I'll say this as a caveat, we may not see

978
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 7: regime change by the time we stop combat operations. Remember, Laura,

979
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 7: the Berlin Wall didn't fall until a year after President

980
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 7: Reagan left office, saying, so sometimes these things will have

981
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 7: a momentum all to their own. So I do believe

982
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 7: he's going to keep his word, We're not going to

983
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 7: see a long protracted war, but the effort to remove

984
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 7: and replace the the Islamic governance, the theocracy in Iran

985
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 7: won't end even if we end combat operations.

986
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 5: Well, the President has said that he needs unconditional surrender

987
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 5: right from Iran, and so I'm kind of curious, what

988
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 5: do you think that looks like? First of all, how

989
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 5: realistic do you think that is? And what does victory

990
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 5: look like in your eyes? From an intelligence perspective, from

991
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 5: a security perspective, how do you see.

992
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: A win here for the United States and really for

993
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: the world.

994
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 7: I think an ending of hostilities based on our terms.

995
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 7: And President Trump is kind of referred to how we

996
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 7: ended the war with Japan, and I think that's a

997
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 7: good format to look at. We allow the emperor to

998
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 7: stay in place in Japan, if you recall in August

999
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 7: of forty five when the Japanese surrendered. I think that's

1000
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 7: kind of what we're looking at right now. It's like, Okay,

1001
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 7: you're done. You can't actually wage warfare. And it's kind

1002
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 7: of almost hilarious when you hear the IRGC saying, oh,

1003
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 7: we're going to end this on our terms, Like yeah,

1004
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 7: you're not. But I think we're getting close to the

1005
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 7: point of where the government will have no ability to

1006
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 7: do anything. And the government they're close to it now.

1007
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 7: They're close to the point they can't govern and they

1008
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 7: understand that. So I think again, within even if we

1009
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 7: stop combat operations within the next couple of weeks, I

1010
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 7: think the government itself is going to say enough's enough.

1011
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 7: They've already kind of hinted they want to talk. I

1012
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 7: think President Trump, with another five to six days of

1013
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 7: hard attacks, they're going to be willing to surrender. Now,

1014
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 7: what is vicctory looked like victory looks like a government

1015
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 7: that cannot act on its very extreme views of trying

1016
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 7: to bring about the apocalypse. That's number one. Number two.

1017
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 7: They cannot be allowed to have enough financing and resources

1018
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 7: to finance the Huthi, Hisbala and Amas. That's another requirement.

1019
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 7: You cannot continue to do things via proxies. And this

1020
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 7: is one of the things I get frustrated with. It's

1021
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 7: in my book too, Laura, is that we were fighting

1022
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 7: the Iranians as far back as the early days of

1023
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 7: the War on Terror. I actually it's in the book.

1024
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 7: We had to go and interrogate an individual who was

1025
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 7: the brother of an IRGC operative and he was US citizen.

1026
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 7: By the way, it took us three days to break

1027
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 7: the guy. We didn't torture him, just saying we were

1028
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 7: able to interrogate him and get him to break and

1029
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 7: he told us that the Iranians were funding the insurgency

1030
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 7: against us, the Americans as early as August of two

1031
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 7: thousand three in Afghanistan. Think about that. So I don't

1032
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 7: want to hear this. Oh, the Iranians weren't doing things

1033
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 7: they were they were killing Americans. Pete Hegstath said it

1034
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 7: in one of his latest updates about this, and he's correct.

1035
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 7: So they can never be allowed to do that again,

1036
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 7: Laura at all. And then third, and I think ultimately

1037
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 7: is to reform their ability in their ability to torture

1038
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 7: their own people. I mean, I don't know in what

1039
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 7: land of reason allowing a government to kill thirty thousand

1040
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 7: of its own people who are simply wanting a better

1041
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 7: life is acceptable in the terms of global law or

1042
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 7: common sense. So those are the things that I think

1043
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 7: if we can assure those things are done, those will

1044
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 7: be victory in my eyes.

1045
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 5: Well, listen, you never please all the people all the time,

1046
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 5: and this president knows that. It's been very interesting to me, Tony,

1047
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 5: to see the way that a lot of folks who

1048
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 5: at one time or another champion this president have been

1049
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 5: very unhappy with the situation in wrong and very critical

1050
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 5: of this president.

1051
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: I'm curious your thoughts on that, because.

1052
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 5: Look, this president has been very clear his number one

1053
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 5: focus is on protecting the American people.

1054
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 2: He is America first.

1055
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 5: And that is why this was a necessity because every

1056
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 5: other president seemed to kick the can right. You had

1057
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 5: Obama sending palette to cash there, you had Biden sent

1058
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 5: more cash obviously to Iran, did absolutely nothing about it,

1059
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 5: weakened us on the world stage, and there had to

1060
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 5: be a line drawn in somebody to take action. And no,

1061
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 5: it's not perfect, and we are so sad for the

1062
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 5: seven service members who we know have lost their lives

1063
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 5: so far. It is it's awful and we never want

1064
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 5: to see that happen. But you have to do something.

1065
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 5: And this is a president who whether it's with Venezuela

1066
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 5: and Maduro like you just referenced, you know, whether we're

1067
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 5: talking about just shutting down our southern border, kicking out

1068
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 5: you know, the illegal immigrants who are criminals and should

1069
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 5: never have been in our country in the first place,

1070
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 5: or targeting Iran and making sure that they can't develop

1071
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 5: a nuclear weapon now or anytime in the future.

1072
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: Somebody had to do it. So what is what is

1073
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: your take or what is your thought on these.

1074
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 5: People who've been incredibly critical about this president taking this

1075
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 5: position when they're.

1076
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 7: On well, I'm going to say it. I don't. I

1077
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 7: don't think he'll get upset if I say this. He

1078
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 7: just doesn't care. He's going to do anything.

1079
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's going to do what's right.

1080
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 7: It's like, look, he's not a politician. He's always said, look,

1081
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 7: my job is to do what's best of the American people.

1082
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,479
Speaker 7: And Laura, I think a certain I know you're talking

1083
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 7: about and some of those people are critical of the

1084
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 7: president or friends of mine just saying they're wrong. The

1085
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 7: President never said he would not use American American capabilities

1086
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 7: to ensure America's safety. He never said he wouldn't do that.

1087
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 7: And so when they get oh, I'm shocked that he's

1088
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 7: using military operations, he understands military operations. That's why he

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Speaker 7: put like minded individuals like Pete Haigstath in charge. Pete

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Speaker 7: is not tied to some defense contractor hoping for some

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Speaker 7: job after He's there to do the job the President

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Speaker 7: wants me to do, which is have maximum lethality and

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Speaker 7: effectiveness in the Pentagon. That's it. And that's so when

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Speaker 7: you look at the situation, to me, it makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 7: And I'm not saying this because Pek, says a friend

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Speaker 7: of mine. I'm saying because this is this is he's

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Speaker 7: been hired to do a job and he's doing it.

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Speaker 7: And regarding past presidents, Laura, they all wanted to fit in.

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Speaker 7: Remember how Obama and Biden. Oh, they were all seen

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Speaker 7: by the world community. Oh, they're good guys. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: President Trump's not a good guy. That's not his job.

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Speaker 7: His job is to get things done.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 7: Let me say this as part of why people don't

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Speaker 7: understand Donald Trump. Donald Trump is a builder. If you

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Speaker 7: look at read his book. I always tell read his book,

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Speaker 7: read The Art of the Deal. But more importantly, Laura,

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Speaker 7: he was a builder. He was a guy that thrived

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Speaker 7: in one of the most difficult cities on the planet

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Speaker 7: to get things done, New York City. And and yeah

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Speaker 7: that people get upset with them. Absolutely but he built things.

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Speaker 7: He got things done. Look at all the places he

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Speaker 7: has built amazing hotels and other buildings. To be a builder,

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Speaker 7: you have to have a certain attitude and understanding of

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Speaker 7: how to accomplish things, and sometimes you got to step

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Speaker 7: on people's toes. Well, he's not afraid to do that,

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Speaker 7: and so and I had plowed him for that, even

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Speaker 7: some of his own some of the maga is upset

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Speaker 7: with him. That's okay, Yes, I think they're going to

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Speaker 7: be happy in the end. I'm a Reagan guy and

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Speaker 7: I'm happy with what he's doing. So I'm just saying, Laura,

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Speaker 7: they need to understand the man that his objectives is

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Speaker 7: not to fit in to be a good old boy,

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Speaker 7: to fit in with the Europeans. It's to lead the Europeans.

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Speaker 7: And tell him either you get on board with what's

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Speaker 7: best for the world or else we're just going to

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Speaker 7: leave you behind. And I hate to be that blunt,

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Speaker 7: but that's kind of I think that's kind of the

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Speaker 7: answer to the President Trump is probably trying to provide him.

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Speaker 2: So you're exactly right.

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Speaker 5: He has also been a negotiator his entire life as

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Speaker 5: a businessman, and believe me, he knows how to read people,

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Speaker 5: that he sees people parts of them that I don't

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Speaker 5: even know that they see in themselves.

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Speaker 2: And he has a great instinct when it comes to

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Speaker 2: how to deal with certain types of people.

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Speaker 5: How to navigate certain situations. It's one of the reasons

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Speaker 5: he's been as successful, I think, as he's been throughout

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Speaker 5: his whole life. Tony, you're awesome. Thank you so much

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Speaker 5: for all the great detail and information. Please keep up

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Speaker 5: the great stuff and we would love to have you back,

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Speaker 5: hopefully at the end of this entire situation and break

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Speaker 5: it up down.

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Speaker 7: Well, let's hope everything is. I'm sure it will, and

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Speaker 7: I look forward to talking you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Laura, Amen, my friend.

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Speaker 5: All right, Tony Shaeffer, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 5: us to everybody at home as always, make sure you like, subscribe, share,

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Speaker 5: and follow. Let's see you back here next time for

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Speaker 5: more of the right.

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Speaker 1: View and oh mom, back down.

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Speaker 2: Many