1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: That's actually very important on the negotiations. Let's start there, 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: because that's the more important point when we look down 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: range at how everyone wants this current war to turn out. 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: You see, because right now you have a number of 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: different parties involved. You have the Americans in the Israelis, 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: who up until this point in the war have shared 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: goals and therefore they're in lockstep and their arm and 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: arm and they're doing everything together. That doesn't mean that 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: their interests are identical. And there could come a moment. 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to get back to Katar in a second, 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: but there's not only can come a moment I'm expecting downrange, 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: whether it's days or weeks from now, there will come 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: a moment where the Americans are satisfied and say we're done, 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: We've accomplished our goals, But the Israelis are not necessarily 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: and then what happens? Does the war continue? Does it 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: not continue? What is Israel do? By the same token, 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: the Gulf States and the Saudis, they also have their 18 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: desired outcome here and their desired outcome, I believe, and 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: this is my conjecture, but everything they're saying and doing 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: only supports this and I've been saying it since before 21 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: the war broke out. What they want is a weakened 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: and battered Iranian regime. But they do not want the 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: regime to completely be replaced. They don't want it to 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: actually fall. It would be the worst thing in the 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: world for the Saudis, the Kataris, and even our friends 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: the Amoradis if the Iranian regime actually fell, If the 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: rainbows and unicorns utopia that we're all hoping for happens 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: in Iran and it becomes this pro Western Persian democracy 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: with a flourishing church, and it's the biggest losers in 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: that will be the Saudis, the Emoradis, the Kataris, all 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: of them, because they will become strategically less important because 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: a massive oil producing nation with a huge population called 33 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: Iran will suddenly be a pro Western center in the 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: Middle East, and they become less strategically valuable and also 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: the last thing they want on their borders. Let's remember, 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: as nice as the Amoradis and the Bahraini are, these 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: are still despotic dictatorships. They're not democracies, and they're Muslim countries. 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: The last thing they want is a flourishing multicultural democracy 39 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: on their borders in the Middle East. It threatens them 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: in a number of ways. So what do they want. 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: They also hate the Iranians, they hate the Mullas they 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: so I believe that they want a weakened and inept 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: but intact Iranian Islamic regime. That's what I believe they want. 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: And that's what and what confirms this to me is 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: that even after the opening of the war, where we 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: found out that the Saudis were actually pushing for strikes, 47 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: and they all seem to be like, all right, we're 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: also against the Iranians. But in the last two or 49 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: three days, all of them, the Saudis, the Kataris, the Amaradis, 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: they've all been talking now about about moving to a 51 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: ceasefire and coming to negotiations. And because that's a way 52 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: to end it prematurely before the regime falls. They don't 53 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: want the regime to fall. That's what I believe we 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: should be looking for downrange. 55 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: It's brilliant. And you look at katar and particulars without 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: deals to be done, without terrors, without hostages, without all 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: of that, I mean, insignificant in a lot of ways. 58 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: How do you see it playing out. General Jack Keane 59 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: was on Fox a little while ago and you, by 60 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: the way, brilliant on Fox Primetime, very impressive. Made the point. 61 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: He said, maybe another week or two, we see heg 62 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: Seth has just sat down for a sixty minutes interview 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: and he said, we've learned the lessons of Iraq and 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: Afghanistan we hear on Fox, and obviously a lot of 65 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: them are very connected. We can't let that battle creep 66 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: get in. Do you see it as more of a 67 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: short term thing and define that. I know what's a 68 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: piece of stream. 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: Well, we know what Trump wants because finally a couple 70 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: days ago he revealed what he wants in terms of outcomes. 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: When he was sitting with Chancellor Mertz in the Oval 72 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: office the other day and he had a sort of 73 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: ad hoc press a veil there, he was asked about 74 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: regime change and his answer was it was very trumpy 75 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: an answer. He didn't answer the question directly. He just 76 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: started sounding like he's rambling, but he's not. And he 77 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: talked about the ideal of Venezuela. He praised the Venezuela 78 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: situation and said, look what we did there, and he 79 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: said something very interesting. He said, Look, we kept the 80 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: government intact, they removed Maduro and started working with Delsi Rodriguez, 81 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: who was Maduro's number two. And what that does. And 82 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this as a criticism. There's pros and 83 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: cons to this. Although it throws the Venezuelan people under 84 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: the bus, it seems at least in the short term, 85 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't embrace Maria Caarina Machado, who won that 86 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: election by a landslide. It chooses stability over democracy, and 87 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: there's something to be said for that, because if you 88 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: say we're going to remove all the criminals and then 89 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: you end up with instability. So he compared Venezuela to Iraq, 90 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: where in Iraq when the Saddam Mussein regime fell, they 91 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: went in and they cleared everyone out, they fired everybody. 92 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: But that, of course leads to all kinds of chaos, 93 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: and Isis grows out of that. So Trump was touting 94 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: the Venezuelan model as way of keeping things stable. Because 95 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: you keep all the technocrats and bureaucrats in place, you 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: keep the structure in place, everything continues to run. You 97 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: decapitate it, and you move in and you work with 98 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: those top people, and you hold a gun to their 99 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: head and get them to behave and that way you 100 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: Now the question is what you do down the road 101 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: if Venezuela doesn't, at some point under American under American supervision, 102 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: go to an actual democratic election, and the Americans long 103 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: term keep working with these Marxist criminals who were who 104 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: were basically the Maduro regime, criminals, mobsters who are running Venezuela, 105 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: which is what the Americans are doing now. If that's 106 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: what happens long term, then the Venezuelan people are no 107 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: freer than they were under Maduro. Maybe maybe a little freer. 108 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: But Trump wants the same thing. In Iran, it's much cleaner. 109 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: If you say we're gonna purge everyone, then what happens 110 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: All the people in power, all the IRGC people are 111 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: gonna fight to the end. They're not. But if you 112 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: say to them, listen, if you cooperate with us, you know, 113 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: everything will be fine. And then you and you and 114 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: you put some stability in there. That doesn't mean it 115 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: moves to a democracy. The Americans want that. The Israelis 116 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: might not be as satisfied with it, so you know, 117 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: but I can see Israel suddenly going you know, right now, 118 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: Israel's the golden boy. They're America's sidekick, and no one's 119 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: criticizing them, and nobody and nobody's criticizing Israel because indirectly 120 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: they'd be criticizing Trump. But what happens when America and 121 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: the Saudis and the Amoradies and the Katari say, okay, 122 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: we're done, we're negotiating with these guys and they work 123 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: with the reformers in the regime in Iran, and Israel 124 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: says no, no, no, no, no, this is not this 125 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: is not good enough for us. Then suddenly Israel can 126 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: become isolated like that. 127 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, everything you say is brilliant. Do 128 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: you think it makes a difference. And the point of 129 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: difference from Venezuela is here that Trump has been very 130 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: public multiple times in his desire to help the Iranian people. 131 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: Help is on its way. I am going to give 132 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: you the opportunity. It's now on you to take back 133 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: your country, take back your government. That would be a 134 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: point where people could legitimately go at him for if 135 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: he pulled out, and that wasn't at least an opportunity 136 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 2: for them. But I am also acutely aware of the 137 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: fact that just because you remove some bad guys, it 138 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that everyone else there is good. That the 139 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: ninety million people are amazing. I know the vast majority 140 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: doesn't support the current regime, but there's other evil people 141 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: who are looking for a chance as well. Isn't there 142 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: to move in? It's complex. 143 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is Trump's blind spot. Trump's blind spot 144 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: with everything he does in the Middle East is an 145 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: assumption that these people have the same motivations that he does, 146 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: or that most Western people do, and that is that, 147 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, really, in the end of the day, everyone 148 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: just wants money in power, and it's not necessarily true. 149 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: These are ideological people and it's a mistake Westerners have 150 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: been making forever. And that's why we think that bringing 151 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, like when Jared Kushner, you know, shows a 152 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, pictures of what Gaza could look like and 153 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: it looks kind of like Boca Raton, Florida, you know, 154 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: and you say like, oh, we're gonna we're gonna give 155 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: them a better life. And then you say, wait a second, 156 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: these same people in Gaza still support comes even though 157 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: they're living in you know, in puddles and tents, you know, 158 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: so we think that economics matters more to people. So 159 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: the problem with keeping the Iranian regime intact the way 160 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: Trump wants to do and saying don't worry, we'll pay 161 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: them off and will make them all rich and everyone 162 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: will be happy, is that there's still Sheeitede ideologues. So no, 163 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways this can go sideways, but 164 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: one thing we have to keep in mind. One thing 165 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: we have to keep in mind. I have a column 166 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: coming out soon in the Jerusalem Post about the different 167 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: options for regime change and how they're all not really good. 168 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: I meaning, this can go sideways in many different ways, 169 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: but we have to keep in mind that no matter 170 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: what happens in Iran, even if it gets chaotic, even 171 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: if there's if it turns into ethnic violence between different groups, 172 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: and the Kurds are carving out their piece and the 173 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: mek is carving out their piece, and even if it 174 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: takes a while to stabilize, it is not as bad 175 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: as the regime we had for forty seven years. It's 176 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: not as bad. No matter what outcome is, none of 177 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: it will be as bad as that the havoc that 178 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: that regime caused worldwide, and people don't talk enough about 179 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: the fact that Chrisbela has has basis of operation, training 180 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: bases and more in Venezuela, in Paraguay, all over South America. 181 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: Krisbela is a global organization, and the drug trafficking and 182 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: the human trafficking and everything that they've been doing worldwide. 183 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: The fact that that the engine of that whole network 184 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: is being dismantled right now. Even if Iran turns into 185 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: a chaotic place, which is very sad, but you know what, 186 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: that's the reality. If a government does evil things, they 187 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: invite destruction on their people, and that is a sad 188 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: fact of life. You know, in Nazi Germany they learned that. 189 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: In Imperial Japan they learned that, and they're learning it 190 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: in Iran. I feel bad for the Iranian people, but 191 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: that's what happens, but none of it. No outcome of 192 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: this war is as bad as the regime itself that 193 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: we've been dealing with for the last forty seven years, 194 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: especially since the end of the Iran Iraq War. You know, 195 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: for the first while when they had that ten year 196 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: or eleven year war with Iraq, they kind of kept 197 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: each other busy and they weren't as much of a 198 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: threat the real rising threat of Iran with the proxies 199 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: and the ballistic missiles, and then ultimately the drive to 200 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: nuclear all starts after the Iran Iraq War. So if 201 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: they end up getting distracted now with an internescent battles 202 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: to see who gets to control the carcass of the 203 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: Iranian regime afterwards, I feel bad for them, but it's 204 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: still better than this regime. 205 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: What percentage chance do you give of a Rezapolavi going 206 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: into transition and the Iranian people democratically electing the next leader. 207 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: It depends on a few things. Well. First of all, 208 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: how popular Rezapolavi actually is is a matter of dispute, 209 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: and unfortunately I'm finding it very difficult, and I'm having 210 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: conversations with some of the people on both sides of it. 211 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm having a very difficult time discerning the reality because 212 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: it seems that everyone is so politically motivated. The pro 213 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: Polavi people are have an interest in saying he's more 214 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: popular than maybe he is, and the anti Paulavi people 215 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: the opposite. So it's very hard to get a sense 216 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: of what's real. There are indications that there's that his 217 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: name carries a lot of weight and still is very popular. 218 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: We saw that with the protests and the response to him. 219 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: But others say, no, he doesn't you know, but he's 220 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: been away for four and a half decades and he 221 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: doesn't really know the lay of the land. There's a 222 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: lot of arguments foreign against It's very hard to discern. 223 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it will have to do 224 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: with how active a role do the Americans take in 225 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: what goes on afterwards, because if they really take a 226 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: hands off approach and say, you know, you guys sort 227 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: it out, then I don't think Paula VI has a 228 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: chance because there's all these other militias, and there's all 229 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: these entrenched bureaucrats who we're going to try to have 230 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: a say, and there's there's a whole there's a whole bureaucracy, Aaron. 231 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: We have to remember Iran is not Iraq, Syria or Libya. 232 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: Those places were tiny little countries where the where the 233 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: dictatorship was basically a mafia family. In other words, Bashar 234 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: Assad gets on a plane and flies to Russia, that's 235 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: the end of the Syrian regime. Doesn't work that way 236 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: in Iran. The IRGC is around one hundred and eighty 237 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety thousand men. And that's just the IOGC. 238 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: All the bureaucrats in the system are not technically IERGC, 239 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: but they are, and then you have their families. So 240 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: think of it more as a political party, an elite 241 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: class of probably between seven hundred and fifty thousand and 242 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: a million people that oppresses the rest of the population. 243 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: It's much more similar to the Chinese Communist Party than 244 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: it is to a little despotic dictatorship like Libya or Syria, 245 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: so removing the regime is not such a simple matter. 246 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: You are absolutely brilliant, and I now see why Charlie 247 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 2: turned to you frequently for your brilliance, and I will 248 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: now look to turn to you maybe twice a week 249 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: instead of daily. 250 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: But I loved it. You'll rude the. 251 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: Day you said yes to this interview. I'm so grateful. 252 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. 253 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: Thank you. Erin God bless. 254 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: We are so blessed to have the most incredible partners 255 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: here on the Aaron Mollin Show, Noble Gold, Balance of 256 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 2: Nature and the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. Make 257 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: sure you support the incredible people and companies and organizations 258 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: who support us it means the absolute world. Thanks so 259 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: much for watching and for listening. 260 00:12:59,320 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: Bye.