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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back into the Built Different podcast.

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Speaker 2: Today's conversation has been a long time in the making,

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Speaker 2: and it's one that invites us to slow down, to

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Speaker 2: look again, and to consider how faith, love and urgency

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Speaker 2: shape a life well lived. Today's guest is some of

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Speaker 2: the world first met on the field, an NFL quarterback,

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Speaker 2: a Heisman Trophy winner, a two time national champion, and

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Speaker 2: a College Football Hall of Fame inductee. But the longer

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Speaker 2: you follow his story, the more you realize football was

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Speaker 2: never really the point. Tim Tebow's a speaker, he's an entrepreneur,

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Speaker 2: and he's a college football analyst for ESPN and the

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Speaker 2: SEC Network. He's also a five time New York Times

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Speaker 2: bestselling author, and on February twenty fourth, he releases a

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Speaker 2: new book titled If the Tree Could Speak, a powerful

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Speaker 2: creative retelling of the Crucifixion inspired by Luke nineteen verse forty.

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Speaker 2: It's really a book that invites readers to see the

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Speaker 2: cross and the love displayed there with fresh eyes, but

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Speaker 2: it truly defines Tim is where he's chosen to invent

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Speaker 2: his influence. Through the Tim Tebow Foundation, he spent more

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Speaker 2: than a decade serving what he calls the real MVPs,

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Speaker 2: the most vulnerable people, bringing faith, hope and love to

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Speaker 2: those facing human trafficking, child exploitation, orphan care, profound medical needs,

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Speaker 2: and special needs across more than one hundred countries around

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Speaker 2: the world. Off the stage and away from the cameras.

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Speaker 2: Tim as a husband to Demi Lee Tibo, who's a speaker, author, entrepreneur,

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Speaker 2: and former Miss Universe in her own right, and a

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Speaker 2: brand new dad to their daughter, Daphne Rain. These days

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Speaker 2: life probably looks a little bit different. Fewer crowds, more diapers,

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Speaker 2: and maybe a little less sleep. But if you ask

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Speaker 2: Tim what really matters, you won't hear him talk about

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Speaker 2: trophies or titles. You'll hear him talk about purpose, talk

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Speaker 2: about calling, about living with urgency, and about choosing to

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Speaker 2: be Built Different. Not for applause, but for impact. Tim Tebo,

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Speaker 2: my friend, I've been looking forward to this conversation for

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Speaker 2: a while. Welcome to the Built Different Podcast. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining me today.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely my pleasure. Thank you for having me. How

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Speaker 3: are you doing, man.

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Speaker 2: Doing well? Brother, It's great to finally see you. I said,

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Speaker 2: this has been a long time in the making. I

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Speaker 2: as an athlete, a former athlete, you were somebody that

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Speaker 2: I say in public is you're someone that inspires me

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Speaker 2: and positively impacts me off the field, specifically in the

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Speaker 2: way that you live your life. You live your life

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Speaker 2: with mission, you live your life with urgency. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: the place, You're writing a book every year. I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: But my wife Evelyn and my mom, Miss Julie, are

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Speaker 2: begging me to ask the question up front, Tim Howard,

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Speaker 1: Surreal? It's so awesome. Not a lot of sleep, but

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Speaker 3: But I tell you they don't really give you like

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Speaker 2: Man, it's amazing to hear, you know, Evelyn and I

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Speaker 2: hear too. Tim up front, I know you're a man

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Speaker 2: who lives life on mission. You're traveling quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Tim, let me tell you this. Something that

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Speaker 2: I read Look Again, and early on in that book

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Speaker 2: you mentioned how you saw a bumper sticker that read

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Speaker 2: in the way that you see people differently. Tim help

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Speaker 3: Well, I think just my dad is one of my

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Speaker 3: every single person that we will ever see has infinite

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Speaker 3: It's the only thing that changes everything. If Jesus didn't

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Speaker 3: rise from the dead, then what's it all for. If

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Speaker 3: he rose from the dead, then everything needs to stop

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Speaker 3: and praise him because it is everything. And this is

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Speaker 3: just a different perspective to try to encourage and challenge

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Speaker 3: all of us to not let the Cross become old

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Speaker 3: to us. And maybe we could see it from a

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Speaker 3: different perspective and from the perspective of the cross.

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Speaker 2: Amen, Tim, I have two final questions for you. Man,

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Speaker 2: I could hear you speak all day and just glean

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Speaker 2: from your wealth of wisdom and knowledge. But I'm just

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Speaker 2: thinking about somebody out there today listening who feels like

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Speaker 2: that Cross did early on, that had these big dreams,

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Speaker 2: these big goals, these big aspirations. That Cross, like you said,

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Speaker 2: thought about being a table or a chair or a

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Speaker 2: throne for a king. But then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: he's almost frustrated because he's almost mad at this Jesus guy.

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Speaker 2: Whatever he did made him into this instrument of shame,

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Speaker 2: and he's like, man, I don't want to do this,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be this. But until he had

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Speaker 2: that revelation that he was a throne for a king,

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Speaker 2: just in the shape of a cross. And I think

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Speaker 2: of the symbolism and the imagery and countless lives of

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Speaker 2: those that I sit across from in counseling sessions that

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Speaker 2: they feel purposeless or they feel like they're lost in

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Speaker 2: time and they don't know what to do. I'm just thinking,

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Speaker 2: you do a lot of work around the idea of

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Speaker 2: identity and meaning and purpose. What's a word of hope

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Speaker 2: for somebody out there today. Tim about finding your purpose

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Speaker 2: and your worth and your value in the person of Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think when we understand purpose, the reason something

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Speaker 3: is done, use, created, or exist, right, So why are

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Speaker 3: we here?

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Speaker 1: Why do we exist?

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Speaker 3: Are we just here to kind of like go through

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Speaker 3: school and get a job or is there more to life?

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Speaker 1: And I would.

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Speaker 3: Challenge you that if we look at the evidence, the

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Speaker 3: evidence of the Cross, the evidence of the Bible, the

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Speaker 3: evidence of lives, we look at all of this, that

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Speaker 3: it would say that we are created on purpose and

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Speaker 3: for a purpose.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: And I would just encourage any listener who's going through it,

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Speaker 3: maybe they're struggling. I haven't found my purpose, And I

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Speaker 3: would encourage.

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Speaker 2: You one.

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Speaker 3: Go get in God's word and look at the love

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Speaker 3: of Jesus because it counts for you and man, when

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Speaker 3: you can just just touch a tiny bit of that love,

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Speaker 3: it changes everything of everything.

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Speaker 1: But then I would encourage you to do this.

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Speaker 3: And it's going to sound a little cheesy, but sometimes

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Speaker 3: people ask me how do I know what my purpose is?

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Speaker 3: And I'll first say I don't exactly know, But how

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Speaker 3: has God created your mind to think?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: What is your mindset? How has God created Because all

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Speaker 3: of us think differently, we problem solve, we strategize, we

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Speaker 3: rationalize different How has God created your mindset?

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Speaker 1: Then? What has he broken your heart for? What's your

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Speaker 1: heart set? Right?

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Speaker 3: How has he he affected your heart? What does it

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Speaker 3: break for? And then what's your skill set? What does

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Speaker 3: he put in your hands? What is your what is

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Speaker 3: your skill set? What can you build? What can you do?

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Speaker 3: What can you accomplish with your hands? And then where has.

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Speaker 1: He placed you? What is your wear set?

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Speaker 3: So he got my mindset, my heart set, my skill set,

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Speaker 3: my wear set, and give all of that to God

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Speaker 3: and try to say, God, this is all yours. And

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Speaker 3: I believe when you give all those sets to God,

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Speaker 3: he can turn.

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Speaker 1: It into a super set.

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Speaker 3: And and you know so many times we're waiting to

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Speaker 3: will one day God, when I get there, No, don't

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Speaker 3: wait till you're there.

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Speaker 1: What about why you're here? And one day when I

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Speaker 1: learned this trait? Yeah? But what about why.

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Speaker 3: You've learned today? And so try to take that mindset,

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Speaker 3: that heart set, that skill set, that wear set and

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Speaker 3: just use it right where God has you right now,

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Speaker 3: Just give it him to go serve somebody and I

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Speaker 3: sometimes believe that what God does in our lives is

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Speaker 3: if we have, if we choose to have an action

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Speaker 3: of service or faith or giving or generosity, that there

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Speaker 3: is a reaction of our heart to that that sometimes

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Speaker 3: we just make the choice to go do it, and

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Speaker 3: then there's a reaction of our heart that actually softens

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Speaker 3: us and fulfills us, like maybe we didn't have the

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Speaker 3: best intentions because they were frustrated, irritated or whatever when

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Speaker 3: we go make that, But in doing it, there's something

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Speaker 3: that God does as a reaction in our heart and

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Speaker 3: in our mind. And so for those that are thinking, man,

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Speaker 3: what's my purpose, I'll just say, go out there and

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Speaker 3: use what God's given you for a few minutes to

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Speaker 3: bless somebody else and see if there's not a reaction

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Speaker 3: of your heart and your mind to it.

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Speaker 2: Tim, obviously a lot of your life is spent behind

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Speaker 2: a mic in the bright lights, and you have a

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Speaker 2: unique platform. But I know this that everybody has a

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Speaker 2: platform of their own. Speak to the person who maybe

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Speaker 2: isn't the news broadcaster, the football analyst, but still has

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Speaker 2: a platform to speak for the gospel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that everybody has an opportunity because there's

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Speaker 3: somebody that is watching and listening, and every platform is different.

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Speaker 1: Some might have more eyeball, some have less.

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Speaker 3: But the question is what we be faithful in those

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Speaker 3: situations to try to steward it as best we can.

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Speaker 3: And I just think that so many times in our

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Speaker 3: economy we say, oh, that person with more followers there

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Speaker 3: is more valuable or could do more for the kingdom.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just reminded of the parable of the talents

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Speaker 3: that you know, what their reward was the exact same.

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Speaker 3: Well done, my good and faithful servant, enter into the

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Speaker 3: joy of your Master. Wasn't well done, good and successful?

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Speaker 3: Well done, good and faithful. And I think that our

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Speaker 3: goal should just try to strive to be imperfectly faithful

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Speaker 3: as much as we as much as we can and that,

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Speaker 3: but I also believe that God has different people in

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Speaker 3: our life that He has put in our path for

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Speaker 3: us to care and love on and share the good

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Speaker 3: news with.

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Speaker 2: You know, Tim, as we wrap up, you know, we

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Speaker 2: talked about purpose today, We've talked about meaning. You're somebody

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Speaker 2: that lives life with an incredible sense of urgency, and

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Speaker 2: I know that the message behind your urgency is really

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Speaker 2: what the cross came to realize in your book, if

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Speaker 2: the tree could speak, that all of this, all of

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Speaker 2: the shame, all of the torment, all of the torture,

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Speaker 2: and the sacrifice that Christ paid on our behalf, it

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Speaker 2: was all love and disguise. And I think you know

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Speaker 2: what I want us to end on is what the

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Speaker 2: Cross came in terms of a revelation. He didn't realize

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Speaker 2: who this man was at first. He thought it was

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Speaker 2: just a carpenter that could potentially turn him into something

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Speaker 2: and he could get something from him, until he recognized

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Speaker 2: that he was a king. And I think there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, Tim, who walk around this earth and

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Speaker 2: they have an improper understanding or view of who God is.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking. I remember a pastor, my hometown

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Speaker 2: pastor once said in an Easter sermon, it matters not

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Speaker 2: who I say that Jesus is. What matters most is

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Speaker 2: who you say that Jesus is, Tim Tebow, I'd love

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Speaker 2: to finish out this way. Who is the person of

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Speaker 2: Jesus to you?

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Speaker 1: He's everything.

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Speaker 3: He's the only thing that changes everything about everything. He's

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Speaker 3: the person that changed time, changed history, changed our dates,

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Speaker 3: changed our calendar, changed our hop changed our eternity. He

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Speaker 3: changed it all by his obedience, by God willing to

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Speaker 3: give him, and his obedience to fulfill for the joy

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Speaker 3: set before him. He endured the cross to spise the shame,

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Speaker 3: finish the race, and then he sat down at the right.

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Speaker 1: Hand of the throne of God.

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Speaker 3: Why we can't sit down is because there should still

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Speaker 3: be a joy set before us, and it should be

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Speaker 3: all the lives that God has in store for us

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Speaker 3: to encounter, to make a brighter day, to make a

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Speaker 3: difference to here, to share the good news of the Gospel,

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Speaker 3: to bring out of hard times, to bring into a

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Speaker 3: place of faith, hope and love. Like that is for

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Speaker 3: some reason, God doesn't need us, but he wants us.

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Speaker 3: He allows us to be on his team. It's surreal,

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Speaker 3: like when we really I think week sometimes the way

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Speaker 3: we kind of get we can get out of sometimes

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Speaker 3: churchy words and phrases that we've been in most of

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Speaker 3: our life and like, wait a second, we get to

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Speaker 3: be connected to the source of life and prayer and

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Speaker 3: in his word, and then we get to be on

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Speaker 3: his team with his mission for humanity. It's like the

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Speaker 3: craziest mind boggling thought of all time. Like we actually

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Speaker 3: get like, that's crazy. God wants to communicate with me,

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Speaker 3: what like and I get to be on his team,

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Speaker 3: like this is the most surreal thought like, and that

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Speaker 3: we get to be a part of the great commission,

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Speaker 3: the great mission, the greatest love story rescue mission.

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Speaker 1: Of all time.

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Speaker 3: And when we really realize the severity of that, what

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Speaker 3: we have been saved from, who we have been saved by,

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Speaker 3: what we have been saved for, there should be something

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Speaker 3: in us that speeds up, that gives us a sense

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Speaker 3: of urgency. Because what happens is we when we look

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Speaker 3: at the cross, and the more we fall in love

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Speaker 3: with Jesus, the less we live on our timeline, and

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Speaker 3: the more we live on others' timeline, especially those that

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Speaker 3: are lost and hurting and have never heard the good

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Speaker 3: news of the Gospel. We can't continue to live on

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Speaker 3: our timeline thinking, Okay, well, I got this in store

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Speaker 3: and one day I'm gonna go on a summer mission

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Speaker 3: trip and I'm gonna share and I'm gonna do this

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Speaker 3: and I'll wait for my retirement.

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Speaker 1: I'll get from that.

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Speaker 3: No, because maybe what we're planning for one day, how

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Speaker 3: many days don't have another day, and we have to

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Speaker 3: live on somebody else's timeline. And I'm so so glad

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Speaker 3: and grateful that King Jesus came down and into time

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Speaker 3: and gave up his life so that we could have

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Speaker 3: it and have it abundantly. And I just I know

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Speaker 3: I've screwed it up a whole lot, but man, I

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Speaker 3: want a lot of people to know.

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Speaker 1: I want everybody to know the good news of Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Tin Tibo, You're a blessing, my friend. What a word

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Speaker 2: of encouragement right there, in a word of hope. We

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Speaker 2: were created on purpose for a purpose. Let us continue

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Speaker 2: to live a missional life. Let us look again to

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Speaker 2: see people a little bit differently. And I hope and

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Speaker 2: pray that everybody will go and pick up a copy

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Speaker 2: of your newest book coming out again Tuesday, February twenty fourth.

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Speaker 2: If the tree could speak, it's impactful. It'll change your life,

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Speaker 2: It'll change the lives of those that you love. Tim

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Speaker 2: Where can our audience go to find out a little

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Speaker 2: bit more about you, my friend?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess they can go anywhere her

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Speaker 1: website or.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It doesn't matter. You don't need to

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Speaker 3: learn more about me. Go study Jesus, I'll let you down.

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Speaker 1: He won't.

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Speaker 2: I love that, Tim, Tim, thank you again for all

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Speaker 2: that you do, for all that you stand for, for

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Speaker 2: the way that you live us Clinton's. We have a

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Speaker 2: lot of love for the Tea Bost. Please give my

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Speaker 2: best to Demian, to Daphne. I love and appreciate you,

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Speaker 2: my friend.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your brother. So grateful for you. See man