1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: Guys, I'm so excited for today's episode. I have Butch 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: Hartman joining me. And if you don't know who he is, 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 2: have you grown. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Up on cartoons? Have you seen Danny Phantom? Have you 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: seen Fairly Odd Parents? 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: But we're going to talk about more importantly his testimony, 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: how he came to know Christ and how that has 9 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 2: impacted his creative journey and even his pastoral journey. 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: Let's dive in. 11 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, ladies and gents, and welcome to this 12 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: week's episode of The Botton Beloved Podcast. 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: As always, it's your. 14 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: Girl Kirby Kelly, and I am so stoked about my 15 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: guests that I have joining me today. If you grew 16 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 2: up watching cartoons like me, I mean it's amazing, right 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: like our childhood, we reminisce on those things, but specifically 18 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: Danny Phantom Fairly Odd Parents. I have Butch Hartman joining 19 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: me today. 20 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: He is going to be. 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: Sharing a little bit about his experience of being a 22 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: Christian navigating that industry, even just being a creative in 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: the new projects that he has coming out. I'm pumped 24 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: for it. It's going to be a great conversation today. 25 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: But before we dive into that, butch, welcome to the podcast. 26 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: Can you just let everybody know a little bit about 27 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: who you are, what you do, and what you're passionate about. 28 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: Oh, that's just a very simple question, no problem at all. 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 3: First of all, I got to pull up my little 30 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 3: magic wand here and say I made a wish to 31 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 3: be on your podcast, and here I am. It came true. 32 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 3: Look at that, it came true. Hey, first, it's really 33 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: nice to meet you, Kirby. A pleasure, thanks for having 34 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: me on. You know, I'm just I'm a guy from Michigan. 35 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: I grew up in Michigan and moved to California when 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: I was eighteen. I've been interested in drawing cartoons my 37 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: whole life. I didn't grow up in a godly home 38 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: at all. Not that my people I grew up with 39 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: were bad people, my family or anything, but nobody just 40 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: there's homes out there in the world where people just 41 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: don't mention the Lord. They don't mention God. If you 42 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: mentioned Jesus, it's because you hit your finger with a 43 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: hammer or something like that. And that's about it. And 44 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: so I came to Californ in nineteen eighty three, and 45 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: when I was eighteen, years old and I was born 46 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty five. I'm sixty one now. But I 47 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: ended up wanted to work for Walt Disney. I always 48 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: wanted to work for Disney. So I worked really really 49 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: hard to come out here at age eighteen, pre internet, 50 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: sending my portfolio through the mail to a school called 51 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: cal Arts and Valencia, California. They were the only school 52 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 3: in the country that taught animation, and I wanted to 53 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: get into that school. And I got into the school, 54 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: and so I was able to leave Michigan and come 55 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: to California, and from there, I sort of after three 56 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: years of school, I got into the industry. This is 57 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties, and most TV and animated shows were 58 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: being done based on toys back then, you know my 59 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: Little Pony, Strawberry Shortcake, that type of thing. But I, 60 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: instead of working for Disney like I always one too, 61 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: I ended up going into the television game and I 62 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: started working on different TV shows, and I ended up 63 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: going to Nickelodeon in the nineties, where I sold my 64 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 3: show The Fairly Odd Parents, and I sold Danny Phantom, 65 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 3: and I sold a show called Tough Puppy, and then 66 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: a show called Buns and is a beast. And now 67 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: I have now broken away from those Hollywood studios and stuff. 68 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 3: I had a great time in the industry. But I 69 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: have my own studio now called wuch Hartman Studios, and 70 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: I'm now producing this cartoon which is called The Garden 71 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: Cartoon that stars Lending the Line and Lucy the Lamb, 72 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: and it teaches kids all about the Bible and Jesus Christ. 73 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: I became a Christian in the year two thousand, so 74 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 3: I've been a Christopher for twenty six years. And I'm 75 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: now a pastor. My wife and I are pastors, and 76 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: we have our own church. And I didn't know that 77 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: that's all we're doing the podcast. You can find these 78 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: things out. 79 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: That's incredible. 80 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: So how has that been for you, like balancing your 81 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: creative endeavors but also pastoring. 82 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: What's that looked like for y'all. 83 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'll be very honest. When you are a pastor, 84 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: it's funny. I wasn't expecting to ever be a pastor. 85 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: I was a disciple of the Lord, as we all 86 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: are when we first In fact, I shouldn't say when 87 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: we start, we're always a disciple of the Lord. But 88 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: when I started out, I had never intended on being 89 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 3: a pastor. In fact, I would always say out loud, 90 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: I will never be a pastor. I don't ever want 91 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: any of that because there's so much responsibility that comes 92 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: with it. And when you're a pastor, people need you, 93 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: and they want you, and they want your advice, and 94 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: they depend on you. That's the tricky part. They depend 95 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: on you and you need But I was never called 96 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: I don't think I was called like a dinner bell 97 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: rang you're going to be a pastor. But I don't 98 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: think everybody's called that way. I don't think everybody's called. 99 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: In that way. 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 3: I think it was sort of a leading My wife 101 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: and I love the Lord. We started teaching a Bible 102 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: study at night on Wednesdays, and in California in twenty twenty, 103 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: when COVID happened, all the churches closed, or a great 104 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: many of them closed, and so we didn't have a 105 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: church to go to, and so we thought, let's just 106 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: go out to a park and put out lawn chairs 107 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: on Sunday morning and we'll just read the Bible. And 108 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: we've been doing that for six years now, and so 109 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 3: we've kind of became the pastors of this church. It's 110 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: called new Branch family Fellowship because and John fifteen to five, 111 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: Jesus said, I'm the vine, you're the branches. If you 112 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: abided me, you're going to bear much fruit. And I 113 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: thought that's a killer name for a church. New branch, 114 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: because you're a new branch on your family tree, or 115 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: a new branch in the industry. You're a new branch. 116 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: You're a new branch. You're that new little sprig coming 117 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: out of that vine. Because we're all grafted into him, 118 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: and we're not grafted into him, then we won't produce 119 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: any fruit. In fact, that scripture ends with without me, 120 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: you can do nothing. And so I want to just 121 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 3: remind people Leaven at age, you know sixty one what 122 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 3: I am now, I still need the Lord. I mean, 123 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: the older you get, the more you realize you do 124 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 3: need the Lord. I think when you're younger, you're so 125 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: young and you're already you already know the Lord. But 126 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 3: I was younger, I thought I could do it all myself, 127 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: because no one ever told me I needed a savior 128 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: because I'm not doing anything wrong. Oh I'm bad. Look 129 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: at that guy, he's worse than I am. But it's like, well, 130 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: what's worse? I mean, you know, or what's better? People 131 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: have their own interpretations of good. They say, well, I'm 132 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: going to heaven because I'm a good person. I say, really, 133 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 3: you're a good person. How many prayers did you say? Well? 134 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 3: I said five prayers today? What if he says six prayers? Now, 135 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: who's good? What if he says seven prayers? That's why 136 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: we can never get into heaven based on what we do. 137 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: It's all about what he did. He's never going to 138 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: ask you, thanks, thanks for coming up to heaven. What 139 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: did you do? 140 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: Now? 141 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: He's going to ask what you did for him, not 142 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: what you did for you. That's what it's going to 143 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: come down to. Amen, and the podcast is over. 144 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: That's it by run. 145 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's actually talk about even back in two 146 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: thousand and you coming to know the Lord, because, like 147 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: you said, you didn't grow up in a Christian home. 148 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: You are in or we're in a secular industry. So 149 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: what did that look like for you with coming to 150 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: know the Lord and then navigating the industry that you 151 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: were in with newfound Christian values? 152 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: Even what did that look like? 153 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: It's very what a great question. You know, I was 154 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: never like a hardcore. I mean I was a worldly person, 155 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: but I wasn't like a hardcore you know person. 156 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: That was capital s centner, right. 157 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: I was never like I mean I was. I mean, 158 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: we're all, you know, we all started off this, I know, 159 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: I know, but I was never like an openly defiant 160 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: person of g I mean, I was believed in God. 161 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: I tried to be a good guy. I had two 162 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: little daughters. They're fully grown now, of course, and I 163 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: was I've been married for thirty four years, but at 164 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: that time, I was a guy just trying to make 165 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: it on my own wits, you know. And I'd go 166 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: out with my friends, I'd party, I do whatever. I 167 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: wouldn't again, wouldn't party, but I'd go out and I 168 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: would I would, you know, have drinks of my friends 169 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: and I'd you know, do it. But when it came 170 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: down to the emotional stuff, for the spiritual stuff, I 171 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: was just like a. I was just like a like 172 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: it was lost, like all of us are. I was angry, 173 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: I was sad. I didn't know. I didn't know what 174 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: the next day was going to bring. And I thought 175 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: and then we had our daughters, they were very little, 176 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: and a friend of mine who was going to church, 177 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: said he had really good his kids were great and 178 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: like his they were older than mine. So how do 179 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: you get such great kids? He goes, well, we take 180 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: him to church. I said, you take him to church. Wow. 181 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: And then with my wife and I thought well we 182 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: should go to church. And I thought, well, then it's 183 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: like which church do you go to? We all know 184 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: the challenge of that. So we started going from church 185 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: to church to church. We finally found one that really 186 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: resonated with us. And this pastors had opened the Bible. 187 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: He was the first pastors that had opened the Bible 188 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: and follow along and really explained things very very well. 189 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: And I started getting a hunger for it. And these 190 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: spiritual scales started coming off of my eyes and I 191 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 3: got saved. And then the scales really came off my eyes, 192 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: and I started going, Wow, all these things I had 193 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: believed in my life were wrong. You know, it's not 194 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: about you know, revenge, It's not about getting or it's 195 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: not about getting over on the next person. It's not 196 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: about holding a grudge. It's not about Jesus tells you 197 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 3: to forgive your enemies. Why, you know, Jesus tells you 198 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: to wash the feet of your enemies. What what are 199 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 3: you talking about? How it doesn't make any sense to 200 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 3: a worldly person. The Bible even says the things of 201 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: the of the Bible are foolishness to the natural man. 202 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: It makes its foolishness to people that don't understand. And 203 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 3: so when those scales came off my eyes, I started 204 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: applying it to my work. I'm like, Wow, I can't 205 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: tell that joke I wanted to tell. I can't tell 206 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: that biting, horrible joke that's going to hurt that person's feelings. 207 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: You know, I'm saying I was perfect at it. Believe me. 208 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 3: It took me a long time to learn this. But 209 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: it's like I because we're all in a process. But 210 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: I I, man, I can't tell that joke. I can't 211 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: write that story. I can't I can't do that. I wow. 212 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 3: I really probably should. I probably should maybe work a 213 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 3: little harder. You know, the Lord gave me this awesome opportunity, 214 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: gave me this field of these shows like Danny Fantom, 215 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: Fairly Adurance and I four shows in Nickelodeon. No one 216 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: sold four shows to Nickelodeon back then. Yeah, And I'm 217 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: I'm looking at my life now. It's getting blessed. I 218 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: was starting to get blessed as a result of my 219 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: cutting these things out of my life, and even people 220 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 3: had to cut out of my life. And listen, I'm 221 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: sure there's people that cut me out of their life, 222 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: but you need to cut these toxic things out of 223 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: your life. And the Lord even says, I didn't come 224 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: to bring peace but a sword. I came to be. 225 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 3: I came to set mother against daughter, you know, he 226 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: came to And it's funny. Jesus doesn't want to divide people. 227 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: He doesn't want to, but he just does because you're 228 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: either going to follow him or you're not, you know, 229 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: And it's like, I'm I'm He says it himself. I 230 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: didn't come to bring peace but a sword, you know. 231 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: And he is the prince of peace ironically, which is 232 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: funny because it's in that division where the peace will come. 233 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 234 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: Well, it makes me think of the Beatitudes even because 235 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: it says blessed are the peace makers, and there's a 236 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: difference between being a peace keeper and a peace maker. 237 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: And I think about Jesus even when he went into 238 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: the temple and he was went out, made a whip, 239 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: came back start flipping tables, and it's like, this is 240 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: our prince of peace, and it's like when you understand 241 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: the context of why he was bothered and how he 242 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: is a peace maker and wants to return to this 243 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: actual order and completeness and wholeness of life, following and 244 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: abiding in him, because that is true life, as you 245 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: were talking about, we have to abide in him. Anything 246 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: outside of that, the false piece that we're trying to 247 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: keep just so that other people are happy or we 248 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: feel comfortable, just like you know, flying under the radar, 249 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: is that the life that christis called us to live. Now, 250 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: we can go about it from a place of gentleness, 251 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: from a place of kindness, from a place that is 252 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: honoring to other people. But at the end of the day, 253 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: we have to make that decision of am I just 254 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: going to be be a peace keeper and do what's comfortable, 255 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: or am I going to be a peace maker and 256 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: stand firm for the Lord? Because sometimes, like you said, 257 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: it can be divisive. And I would think, even in 258 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 2: the Hollywood space, that that could be something that could 259 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: be a divine thing depending on the rooms that you're in, 260 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: depending on the people that you're around. 261 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that could be true. 262 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: For anywhere, in any culture, in any environment that someone 263 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: could be a part of. 264 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: That's listening to the episode today. 265 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, several things else. And that's really brilliant what you said. 266 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 3: So and you're so young. I love that, you know 267 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: all this so great. I'm so proud of you. But 268 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: you know, you know it's interesting about Jesus. It's kind 269 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 3: of an interesting comparison the Lord gave me. Whenever you 270 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: put rubbing alcohol on a wound, you know, is it 271 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: going to feel great or is it going to burn? 272 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: Burns pretty bad? But why is it burning. It's burning 273 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: because it's cleansing. It's destroying the bad stuff. And so 274 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: the Lord is like that that alcoholic wipe. It's like 275 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 3: he's gonna there's a wound there, but that alcohol is 276 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: destroying all the bad stuff. Now there might be obviously 277 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: you're going to feel it, but we know in the 278 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: end the results are going to be better, you know. 279 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: So it's that cleansing. But see, the majority of people 280 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: in the world don't want to be uncomfortable even for 281 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 3: a second, because when you're in Christ, I mean, you 282 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: got to die to yourself. You have to die to you. 283 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: Butch Hartman had to die and the Lord had to 284 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: move in now. Butch Hartvind tries to come back sometimes, 285 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: and the Lord is such a gentleman he'll allow that 286 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: to happen. But he's going to be grieved if that happens, 287 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: because it's not about me, it's about him and why 288 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: he's not an ego maniac. See people think, well, Jesus, guess, 289 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: says God, it's a jealous God. He's jealous God. He's 290 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: not jealous like you're jealous. He's not jealous like a 291 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 3: person is jealous wanting to covet things. He's jealous because 292 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 3: he knows what's best for you. It's like a baby, 293 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: like you know with this little baby, don't touch the 294 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 3: fire on the stove. Well, it's mean you need to 295 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 3: let the baby do what he wants. Well, the baby's 296 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: going to get hurt and be damaged. I need to 297 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 3: say that's love will prevent you from doing stupid things. 298 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: And that's where the jealousy comes in. He knows what's 299 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 3: best for you. The other thing too, you know, there's 300 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: ways I could have gotten a lot more. I guess 301 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: you want to say things successful things going in Hollywood 302 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: had I not been a Christian, there could have been many, 303 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: many different projects I could have made and been a 304 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 3: part of. But later on in my life, twenty years 305 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: down the road where I am right now, would I 306 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 3: have been happy with those results? What I have been 307 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 3: proud of the work I did before? And the answer 308 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: is no. I'm glad I didn't do those things that 309 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: would have been in you know, let's say easy money 310 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: back then, because I'd be sitting there watching them now, going, man, 311 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: maybe I shouldn't have made that that's going to influence 312 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: a kid in a bad way, you know, saying that thing, 313 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: you know, doing that action. Maybe I shouldn't have done that. 314 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: I still look at things now. When I was a Christian, 315 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: I go, oh, man, I would certainly redo that. 316 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: You know, again, the story of my life, story of 317 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: all our lives. 318 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: You're still so very very young, and I know you 319 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: already know this, but like when you're sixty one, like me, 320 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: when you're thirty years down the road, you're going to see, man, 321 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: I'm so glad I didn't do whatever that was. I'm 322 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: so glad I listened to Jesus at that time because 323 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: he knew what was best for me. 324 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: That it makes me think of the word compromise that 325 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: we can be put in these situations where we can 326 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: really compromise our values, we can compromise our faith, we 327 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: can compromise. 328 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: The all that Jesus has on our life. 329 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: And sometimes it's one of those things where it's like 330 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: it makes sense by every worldly standard, it makes sense 331 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: by by my own reasoning to say yes to these things, 332 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: to say yes to the opportunity to say yes to 333 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: maybe the thing that I have been working for my 334 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: whole life, career wise or finance wise or relationship wise. 335 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: But when Jesus gives you that conviction, it's it's are 336 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: you going to listen to that? The voice that sometimes 337 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: makes no sense? But later on down the line, when 338 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: we have that time, we're able to also have that 339 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: perspective looking back. I would just love to even hear 340 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: your thoughts on that to the person who's listening, who 341 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: might be in that place today where it's like, you know, 342 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: I've been following the Lord, or maybe they're new to 343 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: the whole faith and their life has been one one 344 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: eighty right completely turned around, and they're in a position 345 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, I've worked for these things 346 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: and I could compromise I could justify all these actions. 347 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: What would you encourage them just on that notion of 348 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: maybe giving up those things that we once expected would 349 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: be fulfilling, to actually follow the Lord and to do 350 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: the things that maybe don't make sense. 351 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: Well, that's such a great question. You know, I would 352 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: encourage you to do this if you have taken that 353 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: step to move into let's say, to move into your 354 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 3: true calling, which is the Christian walk. Right when you 355 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: realize that's a look about Jesus. You can't become a Christian. 356 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: You're not born in a Christianity. You know, there's other 357 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: beliefs where you're born into it. You know, it's like, oh, 358 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: I'm this because my parents were, you know, but you 359 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: the Christian Christianity is not like that. It's an absolute 360 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: one thousand percent choice that you make. And and when 361 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,119 Speaker 3: Jesus when you when you're in Jesus's family, you're adopted 362 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: into his family. Basically, Bible says he's not going to 363 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: leave you orphans. And you can't be adopted accidentally. You 364 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: have to there's a process of adoption. You are adopted. 365 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: When someone wants to adopt you, there's a lot they 366 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: got to go through to get you into their family. 367 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: Once you're in that family, you have all the same 368 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: rights as any of the child that family has. So 369 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: I guess I would say this, if you've gone to 370 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 3: the lengths to be adopted by Jesus, if you've already 371 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: given yourself over to him, you might want to do 372 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 3: yourself a favor and listen, because he's trying to talk 373 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: to you now, and he's never going to force you. 374 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: He's not a god that will ever force you. But 375 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, there are many times in my 376 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: life where I was going to do it my way, 377 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: but I decided to stop for a second and then 378 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: do it the Lord's way. You're telling me to do this, 379 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: but this doesn't look as exciting as the way it 380 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: does over here, right. You know, the Bible says there's 381 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: the wide path that goes to destruction and then there's 382 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: the narrow path that leads to salvation. There are a 383 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 3: few who find that one. Why it's this little path. 384 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 3: Imagine walking up to this like you're walking up to 385 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: a mansion and there's this big gate, all the lights, 386 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: thousands of people walking in, party going on everyone, and 387 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 3: they're going like this, come on in. But over here 388 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: to the right. There's a little pathway and it's and 389 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: it's a broken down little path it's overgrown, barely see it. 390 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: But that's the pathway to salvation. Because this world is 391 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: big and it's loud, and man, it's kind of always 392 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 3: have something shiny for you, but I guarantee you it's temporary. 393 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 3: It's always temporary. Take it from a guy who's now 394 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: at the age I'm at. I've seen all this shiny, 395 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 3: flashy stuff. I've seen all the shiny, flashy people and 396 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: all the shiny flashy promises, and they are all temporary, 397 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 3: all of them. And it's that pathway that I chose 398 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 3: to go down. And by the way, he keeps me 399 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 3: on that path. I'm if I ever sound like I'm 400 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: giving myself credit for anything, please forgive me, because I 401 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: give him all the credit. But I'm just telling you 402 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: what I've done. And I owe a lot of this 403 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: to my wife as well, my wife, Julianne, who is 404 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 3: my co pastor at my church. I couldn't do this 405 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 3: without her, but she's we got saved like the same 406 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 3: week back in two thousand and we've both been doing 407 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 3: this walk one thousand percent because we got saved in 408 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: our thirties, and the odds I'm getting saved in your 409 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 3: thirties are a lot higher or a lot less. I 410 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: should say, thank getting saved when you're younger. And so 411 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: we just dove in head first, like what is this 412 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: all about? You know, what is this all about? You know? 413 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 3: One of the biggest things I had to overcome for 414 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: me was evolution. Let's just talk about evolution for a second. 415 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 3: You know, I grew up in the secular school system. 416 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: It's all about evolution. You didn't come from God. You 417 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 3: came from a fish that evolved into a monkey that 418 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: evolved into you. And you're like, well, okay. But that 419 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: was when I really had a struggle when I got saved, 420 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: and I was going full full blast at this. I'm like, Lord, 421 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: show me the evolution thing. And it really just came 422 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: down to the evolutionary model says the Earth is going 423 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: to burn up, and the Bible says, I give you 424 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: a new Earth. So it's like, which one do I 425 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: want to follow? That sprung up into my heart and went, well, 426 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 3: I think I want the new Earth, not the burned 427 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: out hus school and I think I want the new Earth. 428 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: I want that one and so that was something very 429 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 3: simple for me that just resonated really hard. I was like, Wow, 430 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 3: that makes sense. And does it make more sense that 431 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: I came from a fish or do I came from 432 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: two p pople named Adam and Eve? I mean, what 433 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 3: makes more sense? And people might say, well, that's silly, 434 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 3: I can't believe you would believe that. Well, there's all 435 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: kinds of things that we believe, you know. 436 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's also silly to believe you came from 437 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: a fish. And like, when we really strip. 438 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: It down, it's like we all have faith in something, 439 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: even the people who declare who that they don't have faith. 440 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: We all put our faith in something or someone, whether 441 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: it's ourselves, whether it's. 442 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: The words of other people in other books. 443 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: The only difference is is that our book is inspired 444 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: by God himself, that is living and breathing and active. 445 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: And like you said, it can seem foolish to the 446 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: people who don't seek Christ with their full heart, who 447 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: seek Him humbly, even with the questions of what if 448 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: and I don't know and I don't get this, Like 449 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: when we actually search Him and seek Him with that humility, 450 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: the things that get revealed to us, it's incredible. 451 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: That's all too Yes, yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, But 452 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: the Bible says not to exalt yourself. Yeah, you know, 453 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: don't exalt he. He who humbles himself will be exalted, 454 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 3: but he who exalts himself will be humbled. How many 455 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: times have we seen in this world, in this life, 456 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: even maybe you personally are sitting out there listening, you've 457 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: exalted yourself. You've read your own mail out loud, you've 458 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 3: read your own publicity. You're the most awesome thing ever. 459 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 3: You're telling everybody, and then something happens and it all 460 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 3: goes away and you are instantly humble. Boy, that's a 461 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 3: and I've been there. Boy, that's a that's a feeling, 462 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 3: and that's not a pleasant feeling. But the Bible says 463 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 3: to come into the king's house, sit at the low 464 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: spot at the table. You take the lowest seat. That way, 465 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 3: when the king goes, hey, where's where's butch Hey, man 466 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: come up here, come in. He does it in front 467 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 3: of everybody. That's where you get honored. That's where you 468 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: get on. You get the honor when they bring you 469 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: and someone else exalts you. When someone says nice things 470 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: about you. You know, we don't need to exalt ourselves 471 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: in the presence of the Lord. You know, we want 472 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: to exalt him and through that we get exalted. Not 473 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 3: that we're doing it for that, but that's why you know, 474 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: when you when you said compromise, compromising our beliefs and 475 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: our values. Those opportunities come every day. They come every 476 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: single day, you know. But I, when I had my children, 477 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: would always come back to my kids, well, my kids, 478 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 3: when I want my for me, It came down to 479 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: my kids. When I want my kids to see this, 480 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: when I want my kids to hear me saying this. 481 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: One small example, I stopped swearing. I used to swear 482 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: all the time. I would swear, you know, because it 483 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: was cool as everybody did, right. And then I don't 484 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: even know what it happened. When I got saved and 485 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: I had kids, I stopped swearing. It's just I stopped. 486 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 3: And now when I hear people swear, I'm never going 487 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 3: to say anything. I will never say a word, but 488 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: I just go like just it just rubs me the 489 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 3: wrong way a little bit. I go, whoa, it just 490 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 3: sounds odd because I don't do that anymore. And again, 491 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 3: no judgment, not saying a word. But that was one 492 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: of those things where the Bible says, let no corrupt 493 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 3: word proceed out of your mouth. That hit me. I 494 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: was like, I'm not gonna swear. And then all the 495 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 3: jokes I used to tell that I'd swear words in them, 496 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't say them anymore. And as dumb as that sounds, 497 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 3: you're like, man, that's a little that's one of those things. 498 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: That was a pruning. That was a you know, thing 499 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: that had to come off of me, and I didn't 500 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: realize it happened when you pray to the Lord. I 501 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: had challenge people out there too. If you're toying with 502 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: the idea of entering into the kingdom and asking Jesus 503 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: to be your lord, ask him and say, Lord, if 504 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 3: you're real, show me. I guarantee he will show you. 505 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 3: Something will happen in your life that will only happen 506 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 3: because He made it happen. 507 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: He wants us, He wants us to know him, and 508 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: he wants us to be known by him. And I 509 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: love that you say that, because he is a He's 510 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: not just some transient god who sits on the throne 511 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: of heaven and we will never reach him. And we 512 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: can never reach out to him, and we hope that 513 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 2: we can send up a prayer and that it sticks. 514 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: It's like he hears us. He wants to commune with 515 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: his creation. 516 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean, when we. 517 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: Actually read scripture for what it is, you can see 518 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: this repetition, this pattern of God. Number one redeeming his 519 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: people unto himself. 520 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: But two is. 521 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 2: God consistently pursuing his people because he wants to be 522 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: in relationship with them. 523 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: Is that cool? 524 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: Though? Yeah? Not great. You have a guy that will 525 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 3: pursue us so much because he loves us so much. 526 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: He is so so attentive to us. You know, I 527 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 3: have a little granddaughter. She's fourteen months old, and you know, 528 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 3: when she takes us and she just started walking a 529 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 3: few months ago, and she's so good, she's doing so great. 530 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: But when she first started walking, when she took her 531 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: little first step and she fell, that I get mad 532 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 3: at her. Of course I didn't get mad at her. 533 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 3: I go, she's learning, she's learning how to do this. 534 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: You know, when she's seventeen, different story, I'd be more concerned, 535 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: like why didn't she fall? Right? But she's fourteen months 536 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 3: old and so yeah, But the father rejoices as we 537 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: take those steps, as we take those first steps, as 538 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: we fall and get back up again, because he knows 539 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 3: we have to learn. Like playing piano, You're not going 540 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: to be an amazing piano player day one. It takes time, 541 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: It takes learning, it takes failing. But again, this world 542 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 3: has become a place where nobody wants to be uncomfortable 543 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 3: even for a second. And I'm not saying discomfort is 544 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 3: wonderful and understand that, but you know, it's like losing weight, 545 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: not a comfortable thing. But there's a process that has 546 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 3: to be followed, you know, getting muscles, you have to 547 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: go to the gym. You know, I draw cartoons every day. 548 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: It starts with a blank page. It doesn't just show 549 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: up by itself. Right. That was another thing the Lord 550 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 3: told me about evolution too. He said, see that blank 551 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: paper over there? I said yeah. He said, is there 552 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: anything on And I said no. He goes, is anything 553 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: just going to appear on it? After millions of years? 554 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 3: And I said no, He goes, what's the take? I said, 555 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: It takes me. It takes a designer. He goes, exactly, 556 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: it takes a designer with a designer behind a designer 557 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 3: holding this pen can create anything, but it has to 558 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 3: be helped by somebody and the Lord. And see, we're 559 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 3: created in the image of our God. He's a creative God. 560 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 3: He created you, and he just didn't create you in 561 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: his image to look like and he created you to 562 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: be like him, your creative to all of us have 563 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 3: gifts and talents. 564 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: I love, And that's such a cool way that God will, specifically, 565 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: like you said, reveal himself to his people, and even 566 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: just in that that being one of those things that 567 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: you brought to him that he revealed spoke your language 568 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 2: so that you could understand his language, the language of 569 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: the word, which is beautiful. But I want to make 570 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: that transition as we get to the end of our podcast, 571 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 2: because you do have a new project that is debuting 572 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 2: and I'm so excited for people to tune into it. 573 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: And it's called The Garden Cartoons. So can we just 574 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,479 Speaker 2: shift gears real quick and talk? Can you, like tell 575 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: us about that what made you want to step out 576 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: of the secular space to step into this faith based 577 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 2: space and create cartoons that glorify the Lord, that teach 578 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 2: children about the Lord. 579 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for asking. You know, I worked at 580 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: Nickelodeon for twenty years. I was in the I've been 581 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: in the animation industry for forty years as of this year. 582 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty six is when I started. I can't 583 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: believe it, Oh wow, crazy. But I looked at the 584 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: Christian marketplace and I loved I obviously loved Lord, I 585 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 3: love Christianity, but I was like, there's not enough entertaining 586 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 3: things for kids in the Christian space. There's some like, 587 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 3: for example, if I were to ask you name me 588 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: a Christian cartoon, what would. 589 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: You say, veggietails? 590 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: Everybody says, and I, by the way, exactly love veggietails. 591 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: It's the only one people say. And it's like, we 592 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 3: need to make some more stuff. So I had been 593 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 3: developing this cartoon since two thousand and five. It was 594 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: a Christian cartoon, but it wasn't even going to be 595 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 3: a cartoon at first. It was going to be like 596 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 3: a Barney the Dinosaur, like a guy in a costume 597 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: with kids and all that stuff. But as I kept going, 598 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, make it a cartoon. And I produced 599 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 3: about three or four episodes of it myself, short episodes, 600 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: and then one day I got a chance to present 601 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: it to some amazing people that wanted to help support it, 602 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: and so they supported it, and lo and behold, we 603 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 3: have two full seasons of the Garden cartoon. We have 604 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 3: twenty half hours we've done. It's absolutely great. It's about 605 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 3: a little lion named Lenny a little lamb named Lucy, 606 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: and they live and work in a miraculous garden where 607 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 3: anything can grow. And God comes down as a rainbow 608 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: and talks them every day, gives them and if they 609 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 3: call them the boss because they work for him high Boss. 610 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: And so he comes down as a rainbow and every 611 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 3: day they get a new assignment. And Lenny, of course, 612 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: is the silly one and Lucy is the more pragmatic one. 613 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: And we have original songs in every episode. But it's 614 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: a great show for kids five to eight. If you're 615 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: a mom or a parent or a grandparent out there, 616 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: this is a show that will help teach your kids 617 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 3: the Bible the word. It's super fun. We started with 618 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: fun and funny because kids won't watch something if it's boring. 619 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 3: They just won't. Yep, by the way, neither would I. 620 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: So I would like to, you know, teach the kids 621 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 3: the word. I wanted to create a cartoon that I 622 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: would have loved when I was a kid. Me as 623 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: a kid, even though I didn't grow up in a 624 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: Christian home, I would have watched this cartoon because there's 625 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: a million kids out there that won't go into churches, 626 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: but they will watch something on their phone and Lillian 627 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 3: families that will never go to church, but they might 628 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: run across this cartoon and they look at the seed 629 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: of the Word inside of them. 630 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: Well, I love that because that's also such a great 631 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 2: evangelistic tool too, where more and more families want and 632 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: not just faith based content, but friendly content, like family 633 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: oriented content. So I see that even just being something 634 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: that people who like you said, aren't Christian will be 635 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: able to gravitate towards and then that will plant seeds 636 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: in their life, not just their children, but the family, 637 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: you know, the mom doing the dishes, the dad who's 638 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: just playing. 639 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: With this kid. 640 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 2: Like I'm hoping that it's one of those things that 641 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: expands to the whole family and not just the children, 642 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: because I know for me I would I'm I'm doe. 643 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: By the time you and I recording this, I'm do 644 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: with my first kid in five weeks, and it's thank 645 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: you I'm so excited that there is content, more and 646 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: more every day, it seems every year, even where it's 647 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: just excellent Christian content. 648 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 3: You'll love the garden. So I mean your little one 649 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 3: boy or girl girl. Oh that's so cute, that's great. 650 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 651 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: Well, and when she's about two or three, she's good. 652 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: Even before that, she'll love the show. 653 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: I'll start watching it. I'll have it on in the 654 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: we'll plant those seeds before Stephen knows the worst. 655 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 3: And well, you can watch it actually have a great segue. 656 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: You watch it on Angel Studios. Our season two is 657 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 3: premiering this week on Angel Studios and it's exclusive, and 658 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: we start with our Easter episode. I wrote an episode 659 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: about Easter because kids don't understand Easter. They really don't 660 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 3: know unless it's explained to you. When I was a kid, 661 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: I was like, why are we doing Easter? What's up 662 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 3: with Easter? There was bunnies, there was eggs, and there 663 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: was Jesus somebody, how does this all work? And think 664 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: about that, really, if you could, if you had explained 665 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: Easter to somebody, it's kind of hard. So I made 666 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 3: an episode. I think that explains it pretty well, and 667 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of fun. We have a 668 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 3: song called the Resurrection Song in there that's really fun, 669 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: you know, So it's really really cool. So I think 670 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 3: you're going to really love it, So check it out 671 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: on Angel Studios awesome. 672 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: Is that the only place that people can stream it? 673 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: Or are there other places where people can stream it? 674 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 3: Good question? Yeah, that We're on Yippie TV where also 675 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: we have our own Garden Cartoon app. You can find 676 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: us on the app store and we're absolutely free. You 677 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 3: can get our episodes on there, and I encourage you 678 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: to go there because the app itself is a contained 679 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 3: environment where there's no ads, nothing, You just watch the 680 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 3: show and just careers out there and stuff. It's really cool, 681 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 3: and we're also looking for anybody wants help support us. 682 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: We have an awesome foundation called the Lion Lamp Foundation. Yes, 683 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: and that's a five, but one C three. We get 684 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 3: a lot of people that say, I'd like to like 685 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: to donate to you, but you know they're not millionaires. 686 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 3: I want to give us maybe five dollars, ten dollars. 687 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 3: That's a wonderful thing. We would love that, and you 688 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: can donate to the cause there. 689 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: Amazing. 690 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: I'll link all that down below for anyone who's listening 691 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: who wants to not only enjoy all the content, but 692 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: wants to be a part of it. I remember when 693 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: The Chosen Forever ago, Like I was just scrolling on 694 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: Facebook and somebody posted about it before season one, episode 695 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 2: one even aired, and they were like, we're we're looking 696 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: for crowdfunding for this. And I was one of the 697 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: first people to start giving in the early days of that. 698 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: And to see what it's grown to now with its 699 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: worldwide impact, it's just beautiful to know that, oh, we 700 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: can be a part of something that not only impacts 701 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: our own children and our own families, but the world. 702 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 2: And this is just another one of those projects where 703 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: you got a dollar, give a dollar, you got twenty, 704 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: give twenty, you got a. 705 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: Million, give a million. Why not? But this is something. 706 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: But this is something that the Lord is blessed, and 707 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: I know it's going to continue to bless so many people, 708 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: and especially the next generation, because they need it and 709 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: we need. 710 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 3: They do and I appreciate. Oh, then thank you. And 711 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: you know, we started our brand new studio, butch Hartman Studios. 712 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 3: We're making not just the Garden cartoon, but we're making 713 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of other family friendly and Christian for kids, 714 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 3: and so we are off and running and so we 715 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 3: are just real excited to keep this train running. So 716 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: I'm super grateful to you and you know having me 717 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: on and just and then help me spread the word. 718 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Well, is there any way that people can stay 719 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: up to date with everything that you're doing and that 720 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: your studio is doing, because if there are more projects 721 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: to come, people are probably gonna want to hear about that. 722 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely, go to Butch Hartman Studios dot com and you 723 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 3: can find me Butch Hartman on Instagram and TikTok. And 724 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 3: one more thing I want to say this Monday. I 725 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: know when this is gonna air, but March thirtieth is 726 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 3: the twenty fifth anniversary of The Fairly Odd Parents. We 727 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 3: are twenty five years ago on March thirtieth, two thousand 728 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 3: and one, we first aired, So that's a big thing. 729 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 3: We're celebrating big milestone for us this week. 730 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: That's so cool. Well, I grew up on that show. 731 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: I was thinking about it on the car ride back 732 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: to my house before we recorded, and I was like, 733 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: the two things that stoock out to me the most 734 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: from that show that live rent free in my mind. 735 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: Number one is Doug Demodon, owner of the Dimsdale Demodon. 736 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: Because that's literally everybody. That's everybody here in Texas. 737 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: And then the second is there was an episode where 738 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: Timmy I think it was like he made a wish 739 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: where it's like everything he said was true or everything 740 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: he said was right, and mister Crocker's like, how many 741 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: how many states are there? 742 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: And he's like forty nine and he's like, that's wrong. 743 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: And then the principal comes over the intercomm and she's like, 744 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: North Dakota and South Dakota decided to marge and become Dakota. 745 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: And then one of the stars falls off of the flag. 746 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 2: And I think about that all of the time, and 747 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: so I'm not really. 748 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 3: About It's just such a one. 749 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: It is such a random one, big to caude. It's 750 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: like it lives in my head. 751 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: But how great will it be for that to live 752 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: in the future generations? But also just the moments that 753 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 2: are gonna come from your show, from your program, it 754 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: sticks even now this many We. 755 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 3: Just did an interaction with a pretty big YouTuber recently. 756 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 3: Two big YouTubers recently out the fans of the show 757 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 3: too and Uh, it was really fun to see what 758 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 3: the what the show did for them as kids, Like 759 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 3: they're now in their twenties, but it's like, man, they 760 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 3: they were well and I drew drawings for them with 761 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 3: their favorite fairly odd parents characters are like. So it 762 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 3: was really really fun. One one one guy loved Chip Skylark, 763 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 3: my shiny teeth. 764 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: Oh yes, iconic, iconic. 765 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 3: And see that's not even like a quote unquote Christian show, 766 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: but it's got a lot of Christian vibe to it, 767 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 3: meaning there's a lot of a lot of fun, lot 768 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 3: of joy the way the Lord wants us to be, 769 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 3: you know. And you know, people will say, well, how 770 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 3: can I follow Jesus and I still feel sad. I go, well, 771 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: look there's a lot of things in this world that 772 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: are still going to come at you. But at the 773 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: end of the day, he is the principiece and he 774 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 3: does want you to feel joy. That's the whole point 775 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 3: of this and he, you know, he can't to give 776 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 3: it to John. Chapter ten, verse ten says a thief 777 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 3: comes to kill, steel and destroy, but I have come 778 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 3: that you may have life and have it more abundantly. 779 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 3: So he wants you to have an abundant life. He 780 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 3: really truly does. 781 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: Hey man, we'll wrap on that note. Well, Butch, thank 782 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: you for taking the time to be on here. 783 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: I love you. 784 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 3: Let me close you out of my again. Hey everyone, Okay, good, Yeah, 785 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 3: but you know I'm grateful and thank you. Yeah, and 786 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 3: I've enjoyed the conversation too. You are a very wise 787 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 3: young lady. I know you all. Thank you. I know you. 788 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 3: You're twenty nine. You probably feel like you're. Oh, you're 789 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 3: wilder than he used to be, and you are. You've 790 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 3: got a great long road ahead and you're gonna be 791 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 3: a great mom too. 792 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. 793 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 2: And to everyone who listened, I love you guys, thanks 794 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: for tuning in. 795 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: I pray that this episode blessed you. 796 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 2: All the links will be down below, so check those 797 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: out and start streaming Butcher's show and all the ones 798 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: that are going to drop soon today. 799 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: Love you guys. 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