1 00:00:08,257 --> 00:00:13,977 Speaker 1: Life audio. Find inspiration as close as your phone. Download 2 00:00:14,017 --> 00:00:16,697 Speaker 1: the Jesus Calling app and get started today for free. 3 00:00:17,097 --> 00:00:19,297 Speaker 1: Look for the Jesus Calling app in both the Apple 4 00:00:19,497 --> 00:00:20,776 Speaker 1: and Google Play stores. 5 00:00:24,096 --> 00:00:28,777 Speaker 2: Been shot at, ben robbed, been threatened a lot of times, 6 00:00:28,897 --> 00:00:31,336 Speaker 2: with some pretty bad people planning to kill me, But 7 00:00:32,177 --> 00:00:33,617 Speaker 2: oh my God, stray some here. 8 00:00:34,857 --> 00:00:38,097 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Calling Podcast. This week, we hear 9 00:00:38,137 --> 00:00:42,457 Speaker 1: from retired Washington d C. Police sergeant and pastor Dhill Sutherland, 10 00:00:42,737 --> 00:00:46,137 Speaker 1: who shares how his faith carried him through dangerous undercover work, 11 00:00:46,377 --> 00:00:50,016 Speaker 1: false accusations, and ultimately inspired him to launch a ministry 12 00:00:50,016 --> 00:00:53,297 Speaker 1: that brings hope to families and crisis. Later in the episode, 13 00:00:53,336 --> 00:00:56,217 Speaker 1: we'll hear from Hailey Scully, who has spent nearly fifteen 14 00:00:56,297 --> 00:00:59,137 Speaker 1: years with Hope for the Heart, a ministry equipping people 15 00:00:59,137 --> 00:01:02,617 Speaker 1: to offer compassionate care within their communities. Through her own 16 00:01:02,737 --> 00:01:06,937 Speaker 1: journey of navigating disappointment and renewal, gained a deep understanding 17 00:01:06,977 --> 00:01:09,737 Speaker 1: of the struggles other space and a passion to equip 18 00:01:09,777 --> 00:01:21,017 Speaker 1: them with confidence and hope. Let's begin with Dale's story. 19 00:01:21,217 --> 00:01:25,097 Speaker 2: My name is Dale Sutherland. I am a retired DC 20 00:01:25,297 --> 00:01:29,377 Speaker 2: Police sergeant. I worked in narcotics most of my career. 21 00:01:30,097 --> 00:01:32,937 Speaker 2: I was there almost twenty six years, and then it's 22 00:01:32,937 --> 00:01:35,137 Speaker 2: been three years in another police farm before that, So 23 00:01:35,177 --> 00:01:37,697 Speaker 2: about twenty nine years of law enforcement. I went to 24 00:01:37,777 --> 00:01:42,257 Speaker 2: Bible College and I now when I retired, and even 25 00:01:42,377 --> 00:01:44,817 Speaker 2: during the last four years my police career, I did both. 26 00:01:44,897 --> 00:01:47,337 Speaker 2: I was a pastor and an undercoment police officer at 27 00:01:47,377 --> 00:01:50,897 Speaker 2: the same time. And also I have three daughters and 28 00:01:51,177 --> 00:01:57,937 Speaker 2: thirty grandchildren and two more on the way. Right start 29 00:01:57,937 --> 00:02:00,337 Speaker 2: of high school is when Chrysler we got a hold 30 00:02:00,377 --> 00:02:03,057 Speaker 2: of me and I found out that it was actually 31 00:02:03,577 --> 00:02:06,257 Speaker 2: it was better way to live was with jess is 32 00:02:06,417 --> 00:02:09,177 Speaker 2: the center of my life. Not a boring, get yelled 33 00:02:09,177 --> 00:02:11,337 Speaker 2: at in church type of walk with the Lord, but 34 00:02:11,417 --> 00:02:15,057 Speaker 2: a real walk with the Lord. Jesus requires everything but 35 00:02:15,177 --> 00:02:19,457 Speaker 2: also gives everything. I've never had clarity for the Lord, 36 00:02:19,657 --> 00:02:21,577 Speaker 2: like you know you have to go do this thing 37 00:02:21,737 --> 00:02:23,977 Speaker 2: or that thing. I just knew I was supposed to 38 00:02:23,977 --> 00:02:26,097 Speaker 2: do the things he told me to do. I think 39 00:02:26,457 --> 00:02:28,977 Speaker 2: if Thesis two ten, for we are His workmanship created 40 00:02:29,017 --> 00:02:32,257 Speaker 2: in Christ Jesus to do certain good works. I've always 41 00:02:32,417 --> 00:02:35,017 Speaker 2: had a passion to show the Gospel and to teach 42 00:02:35,057 --> 00:02:37,377 Speaker 2: the Bible. Even I could numbered sixteen meet my first 43 00:02:37,417 --> 00:02:40,017 Speaker 2: sermon and a mission, and I always want to teach 44 00:02:40,017 --> 00:02:41,817 Speaker 2: a Bible. I always wanted to get the Gospel out 45 00:02:41,817 --> 00:02:45,177 Speaker 2: and see people become Christians. That would be the best 46 00:02:45,177 --> 00:02:47,457 Speaker 2: thing I could ever give anybody, is to introduce them 47 00:02:47,537 --> 00:02:51,137 Speaker 2: to the Savior, the whole world, the Creator, and also 48 00:02:51,937 --> 00:02:54,297 Speaker 2: the one who gave his life for people. So anyway, 49 00:02:54,337 --> 00:02:56,977 Speaker 2: that was my clear conviction. I didn't know how I 50 00:02:56,977 --> 00:03:02,817 Speaker 2: was supposed to do it, but that was the plan. Eventually, 51 00:03:02,817 --> 00:03:05,897 Speaker 2: I want to be a pastor and wanted to work 52 00:03:05,937 --> 00:03:08,697 Speaker 2: with Irvin Kits And that's what led. 53 00:03:08,497 --> 00:03:09,337 Speaker 3: Me to Washington, d c. 54 00:03:09,817 --> 00:03:13,457 Speaker 2: And to the Police de Farm. It was dangerous sometimes 55 00:03:13,457 --> 00:03:15,897 Speaker 2: as a police officer. At the beginning of my career 56 00:03:16,017 --> 00:03:19,137 Speaker 2: was the moost dangerous. I started on the police farm 57 00:03:19,217 --> 00:03:21,297 Speaker 2: right in the middle of what we would refer to 58 00:03:21,417 --> 00:03:25,217 Speaker 2: as the Crack Wars, because across the United States, every 59 00:03:25,257 --> 00:03:28,417 Speaker 2: city in the country was maybe five times their normal 60 00:03:28,497 --> 00:03:31,257 Speaker 2: murder rate all of a sudden, and that ran all 61 00:03:31,297 --> 00:03:34,457 Speaker 2: the way to almost nineteen five and I came in 62 00:03:34,577 --> 00:03:37,657 Speaker 2: right then, so things were happening. I mean, people were 63 00:03:37,657 --> 00:03:40,017 Speaker 2: getting shot. I remember when I got promoted sergeant in 64 00:03:40,097 --> 00:03:43,017 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three went back to uniform for a while, 65 00:03:43,137 --> 00:03:47,057 Speaker 2: and I can remember one midnight shift there was five 66 00:03:47,137 --> 00:03:49,497 Speaker 2: shootings going on just in my district, just with that 67 00:03:49,537 --> 00:03:52,217 Speaker 2: a few blocks of each other, five victims, and my 68 00:03:52,337 --> 00:03:54,417 Speaker 2: job was to go to each location and try to 69 00:03:54,457 --> 00:03:56,057 Speaker 2: determine if I was going to live or not, because 70 00:03:56,057 --> 00:03:58,737 Speaker 2: we had to pick which detectives should be sent, homicide 71 00:03:58,817 --> 00:04:02,857 Speaker 2: or our disrect detective. It wasn't dense, yes, but the 72 00:04:02,977 --> 00:04:06,577 Speaker 2: great thing is knowing Jesus, the Lord went with me 73 00:04:06,617 --> 00:04:08,737 Speaker 2: on all those calls, and when I got ready to 74 00:04:08,777 --> 00:04:12,017 Speaker 2: do an undercover I prayed. I asked the Lord for help, 75 00:04:12,137 --> 00:04:15,297 Speaker 2: And I really think any success I've perceived or been 76 00:04:15,337 --> 00:04:19,576 Speaker 2: blessed with has truly been a result of the Lord's 77 00:04:19,577 --> 00:04:22,936 Speaker 2: work and answering all those prayers. Been shot at and 78 00:04:23,976 --> 00:04:27,736 Speaker 2: robbed and threatened a lot of times with some pretty 79 00:04:27,736 --> 00:04:31,056 Speaker 2: bad people planning to kill me. But if I got stray, 80 00:04:31,097 --> 00:04:34,097 Speaker 2: so I'm here, and I really felt confident in that world. 81 00:04:34,337 --> 00:04:37,337 Speaker 2: As the Lord envy serving there, I saw a lot 82 00:04:37,376 --> 00:04:43,736 Speaker 2: of dark things. I can remember being inundated with violence, gunshots, 83 00:04:43,856 --> 00:04:49,376 Speaker 2: blood on various points in my career and easily becoming 84 00:04:50,097 --> 00:04:52,976 Speaker 2: more and more generous, like more and more where there's 85 00:04:52,976 --> 00:04:57,137 Speaker 2: something they talk about with police, doctors and nurses, soldier servement. 86 00:04:57,736 --> 00:05:00,136 Speaker 2: You see a lot of bad things happen to people. 87 00:05:00,736 --> 00:05:03,616 Speaker 2: I say, the Lord gives you a certain resistance to, 88 00:05:04,537 --> 00:05:07,616 Speaker 2: you know, collapsing or falling apart or making it your own. 89 00:05:15,976 --> 00:05:18,657 Speaker 2: Lord helped me with that a tremendous amount so that 90 00:05:18,697 --> 00:05:23,017 Speaker 2: I could do my job but not let my own 91 00:05:23,217 --> 00:05:26,537 Speaker 2: worries or feelings about what might happen or has happened, 92 00:05:26,577 --> 00:05:29,017 Speaker 2: almost like a like an on and off switch you 93 00:05:29,056 --> 00:05:31,097 Speaker 2: could turn on and off, but with the Lord with 94 00:05:31,376 --> 00:05:33,056 Speaker 2: he's on on all the time, of course, but I 95 00:05:33,176 --> 00:05:35,416 Speaker 2: just mean the way I wouldn't worry in a lot 96 00:05:35,457 --> 00:05:37,736 Speaker 2: of circumstances. Now. The one exception to them with children, 97 00:05:38,056 --> 00:05:40,497 Speaker 2: if there was a child involved, going on search horns, 98 00:05:40,577 --> 00:05:44,577 Speaker 2: knocking down doors, searching place where they sell drugs and 99 00:05:44,657 --> 00:05:47,617 Speaker 2: digging through everything. Over there you see in the corner 100 00:05:47,697 --> 00:05:51,777 Speaker 2: a child that is crying and is going to end 101 00:05:51,816 --> 00:05:54,176 Speaker 2: up foster caring. So that step bothered me a little 102 00:05:54,217 --> 00:05:58,337 Speaker 2: bit more. In my Fleas career, one end double a 103 00:05:58,337 --> 00:06:01,337 Speaker 2: lot of stress and anxieties. At one point I was 104 00:06:01,376 --> 00:06:05,137 Speaker 2: unjust accused it of something and I was told that 105 00:06:05,176 --> 00:06:08,017 Speaker 2: they knew I didn't do it, but it was something 106 00:06:08,017 --> 00:06:10,376 Speaker 2: they had to investigate. They said it to be probably 107 00:06:10,416 --> 00:06:12,936 Speaker 2: two weeks, so clear enough. And it went on six months, 108 00:06:12,976 --> 00:06:14,457 Speaker 2: me and two other guys I worked with. 109 00:06:15,097 --> 00:06:18,416 Speaker 4: During that time, I kept expecting one of these panic problems, 110 00:06:18,416 --> 00:06:20,856 Speaker 4: you know, I kept expecting that this would be too 111 00:06:20,936 --> 00:06:24,376 Speaker 4: much because it was a big deal. It was scary, 112 00:06:24,657 --> 00:06:30,416 Speaker 4: and police work, you don't make a mistake, and everybody says, okay, 113 00:06:30,736 --> 00:06:31,217 Speaker 4: just you. 114 00:06:31,176 --> 00:06:34,216 Speaker 2: Know, refile that a different way. No, you interesting police 115 00:06:34,217 --> 00:06:37,016 Speaker 2: work is send you to prison. So this one was 116 00:06:37,217 --> 00:06:41,457 Speaker 2: totally untrue. It hurted as financially as a family. It 117 00:06:41,657 --> 00:06:43,777 Speaker 2: cost us tens of thousands of dollars. We had to 118 00:06:43,777 --> 00:06:47,376 Speaker 2: empty out of retirement account, we had to get a lawyer. 119 00:06:47,736 --> 00:06:50,897 Speaker 2: And just going through that for six months for something 120 00:06:50,936 --> 00:06:54,617 Speaker 2: I really had not done allowed me to dry out 121 00:06:54,616 --> 00:06:55,176 Speaker 2: to the Lord. 122 00:06:55,496 --> 00:06:57,856 Speaker 5: And I can un the first night going home and 123 00:06:58,697 --> 00:07:01,377 Speaker 5: just get down on my knee saying, Jesus, I need you. 124 00:07:01,496 --> 00:07:04,616 Speaker 5: There is this scraps you might learn not to rely 125 00:07:04,697 --> 00:07:07,257 Speaker 5: on yourself, on God who raised the dead. 126 00:07:07,976 --> 00:07:10,657 Speaker 2: That's where I need to be. And those moments like 127 00:07:10,737 --> 00:07:13,016 Speaker 2: that one and several others. There was a time when 128 00:07:13,017 --> 00:07:15,777 Speaker 2: there was eight guards help that had goten arrested and 129 00:07:15,816 --> 00:07:18,457 Speaker 2: there were some threats going and the chief of police 130 00:07:18,457 --> 00:07:20,777 Speaker 2: wanted me to have a bodyguard with me and all 131 00:07:20,816 --> 00:07:26,297 Speaker 2: the time, which is ridiculous, over dramatic, but that was 132 00:07:26,337 --> 00:07:30,057 Speaker 2: also very stressful. And yet I did the same thing. 133 00:07:30,097 --> 00:07:34,256 Speaker 2: I reached out to Jesus. Jesus, I just I need you. 134 00:07:34,257 --> 00:07:36,137 Speaker 2: You're the one to save me, You're the one that 135 00:07:36,177 --> 00:07:39,136 Speaker 2: can keep me, and so I feel a lot of 136 00:07:39,177 --> 00:07:47,137 Speaker 2: solos at his feet. I retired from the police department 137 00:07:47,497 --> 00:07:50,897 Speaker 2: and was already a full time pastor, but then when 138 00:07:50,897 --> 00:07:53,217 Speaker 2: I retired, I did it without the police farm, so 139 00:07:53,217 --> 00:07:55,657 Speaker 2: now it was really full time. The first shove I 140 00:07:55,697 --> 00:07:58,977 Speaker 2: did at our church was as the outreach pastor, and 141 00:07:59,017 --> 00:08:02,216 Speaker 2: so I wanted to be effected. I love the picture 142 00:08:02,257 --> 00:08:06,977 Speaker 2: of being a patrolman and receiving these emergency Christs situations 143 00:08:07,297 --> 00:08:09,857 Speaker 2: and then going and only being able to provide like 144 00:08:09,897 --> 00:08:13,417 Speaker 2: a physical stop to it, or like a movement of 145 00:08:13,457 --> 00:08:16,537 Speaker 2: the of the bodies. But in this what we set 146 00:08:16,617 --> 00:08:20,297 Speaker 2: up was a ministry. We call it boost others. The 147 00:08:20,377 --> 00:08:22,777 Speaker 2: idea is a social worker tells us the one that's 148 00:08:22,816 --> 00:08:26,337 Speaker 2: in need, somebody in crisis, that comes into let's say, 149 00:08:26,337 --> 00:08:29,576 Speaker 2: our dispatcher comes into our office, and then it gets 150 00:08:29,697 --> 00:08:33,537 Speaker 2: dispatched out to our team that are like let's call 151 00:08:33,577 --> 00:08:39,617 Speaker 2: them patrol chaplins, and these chaplines on patrol respond immediately 152 00:08:40,377 --> 00:08:42,897 Speaker 2: as fast as they can, depending on our workload that day, 153 00:08:43,497 --> 00:08:45,737 Speaker 2: to go help people in crisis. So we have those 154 00:08:45,777 --> 00:08:47,457 Speaker 2: with abuse cases, and then we work a lot of 155 00:08:47,537 --> 00:08:50,657 Speaker 2: kids with very sick with cancer and nik you a 156 00:08:50,657 --> 00:08:53,617 Speaker 2: lot of little ones. And as we work with those children, 157 00:08:53,657 --> 00:08:56,577 Speaker 2: were able to provide things that just the hospital can't. 158 00:08:57,257 --> 00:09:01,897 Speaker 2: We've bought she tobes, like for little girl seven years old, 159 00:09:01,977 --> 00:09:04,977 Speaker 2: homeless with liver cancer. You know, she's been in the 160 00:09:05,017 --> 00:09:08,017 Speaker 2: money at home to take care of the process between 161 00:09:08,097 --> 00:09:10,457 Speaker 2: hospital visits. We've been able to help in a lot 162 00:09:10,497 --> 00:09:14,657 Speaker 2: of unique ways. In every crisis we go to, we 163 00:09:14,697 --> 00:09:19,537 Speaker 2: do our very best to offer to pray for the 164 00:09:19,617 --> 00:09:23,857 Speaker 2: family and crisis in ninety nine point nine percent absolutely 165 00:09:23,977 --> 00:09:27,057 Speaker 2: want that, and then we do our very best to 166 00:09:27,297 --> 00:09:30,537 Speaker 2: encourage them and to introduce them to the Jesus of 167 00:09:30,537 --> 00:09:32,897 Speaker 2: the Bible. Maybe not the Jesus stated seen on TV, 168 00:09:33,177 --> 00:09:37,257 Speaker 2: or the Jesus they may have proceved, but to present 169 00:09:37,297 --> 00:09:39,897 Speaker 2: to them the whole Council of God, the understanding that 170 00:09:39,977 --> 00:09:43,577 Speaker 2: Jesus came and showed his love by paying for sin. 171 00:09:46,497 --> 00:09:50,497 Speaker 1: To learn more about Dale Sutherland, visit Boostothers dot org 172 00:09:50,857 --> 00:09:54,897 Speaker 1: or The Undercover Pastor dot com. 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If a 189 00:10:58,617 --> 00:11:01,537 Speaker 1: teen in your life is looking for direction, reassurance, or 190 00:11:01,577 --> 00:11:04,937 Speaker 1: a deeper relationship with Jesus, this devotional gives them daily 191 00:11:04,977 --> 00:11:09,217 Speaker 1: reminders that they're seeing loved and never alone. Find the 192 00:11:09,257 --> 00:11:19,297 Speaker 1: Teen edition of Jesus Calling wherever books are sold. Our 193 00:11:19,377 --> 00:11:21,937 Speaker 1: next guest is Hailey Scully, who serves with Hope for 194 00:11:21,977 --> 00:11:25,177 Speaker 1: the Heart, a counseling ministry equipping Christian leaders to care 195 00:11:25,217 --> 00:11:28,417 Speaker 1: for others. With a background in counseling, Halley has traveled 196 00:11:28,417 --> 00:11:31,417 Speaker 1: to more than thirty countries training leaders to bring Biblical 197 00:11:31,457 --> 00:11:32,537 Speaker 1: hope to hurting hearts. 198 00:11:32,817 --> 00:11:33,577 Speaker 3: But her own. 199 00:11:33,457 --> 00:11:36,257 Speaker 1: Journey of faith hasn't looked the way she expected, and 200 00:11:36,337 --> 00:11:39,017 Speaker 1: it was in that season of uncertainty a new story 201 00:11:39,257 --> 00:11:42,537 Speaker 1: quietly began to emerge. 202 00:11:42,617 --> 00:11:46,497 Speaker 6: I am Hailey Scully and I work with a ministry 203 00:11:46,537 --> 00:11:48,737 Speaker 6: called Hope for the Heart. I've been here for almost 204 00:11:48,817 --> 00:11:53,537 Speaker 6: fifteen years. It is a Christian counseling ministry. We help 205 00:11:53,577 --> 00:11:58,417 Speaker 6: equip people for counseling and Christian coaching, just really equipping 206 00:11:58,417 --> 00:12:01,657 Speaker 6: the Body of Christ to be able to counsel mentor 207 00:12:01,817 --> 00:12:05,817 Speaker 6: encourage care for one another. My calling and ministry, I 208 00:12:05,857 --> 00:12:09,937 Speaker 6: would say, is counseling and that's my education and my training, 209 00:12:10,017 --> 00:12:12,897 Speaker 6: and I've just had opportunity to be here and helped 210 00:12:12,937 --> 00:12:16,257 Speaker 6: do that with our international partners and then just creating 211 00:12:16,337 --> 00:12:19,417 Speaker 6: training here in the US and what can be used 212 00:12:19,417 --> 00:12:23,057 Speaker 6: globally to prepare the church to care for the emotional 213 00:12:23,057 --> 00:12:30,057 Speaker 6: and spiritual needs of others. I grew up in church 214 00:12:30,297 --> 00:12:33,217 Speaker 6: in a family that on Sundays we were at church 215 00:12:33,337 --> 00:12:35,737 Speaker 6: and just a part of our lives praising the Lord 216 00:12:35,857 --> 00:12:38,537 Speaker 6: and loving him. It was a part of our lives, 217 00:12:38,537 --> 00:12:40,457 Speaker 6: but I would say we kind of didn't really know 218 00:12:41,097 --> 00:12:45,497 Speaker 6: necessarily how to follow God in our everyday lives. It 219 00:12:45,537 --> 00:12:47,777 Speaker 6: was part of our culture, it was part of our experience. 220 00:12:48,457 --> 00:12:51,577 Speaker 6: Definitely accepted Christ as my savior when I was a 221 00:12:51,577 --> 00:12:55,137 Speaker 6: little girl, and loved him and meant it, went to 222 00:12:55,257 --> 00:12:58,177 Speaker 6: church camp, all of those things, but just kind of 223 00:12:58,337 --> 00:13:01,497 Speaker 6: when I got through high school and started off on 224 00:13:01,537 --> 00:13:03,777 Speaker 6: my own path. You know, I had told the Lord 225 00:13:03,817 --> 00:13:07,017 Speaker 6: that I always wanted to to serve him and follow 226 00:13:07,057 --> 00:13:10,497 Speaker 6: him in my life. Felt a calling to ministry at 227 00:13:10,497 --> 00:13:13,537 Speaker 6: one point when I was younger, but then just kind 228 00:13:13,577 --> 00:13:15,737 Speaker 6: of started off on my own path in a lot 229 00:13:15,777 --> 00:13:19,377 Speaker 6: of ways. Got a job and started working, and there 230 00:13:19,457 --> 00:13:21,897 Speaker 6: came a point in my mid to late twenties that 231 00:13:21,937 --> 00:13:25,057 Speaker 6: I was like, Okay, wait a second, I just expected 232 00:13:25,097 --> 00:13:28,057 Speaker 6: to grow up, get married, have kids. 233 00:13:27,777 --> 00:13:31,817 Speaker 3: And have kind of what I expected was this blessed life. 234 00:13:31,977 --> 00:13:35,017 Speaker 6: As I started getting older, I wasn't really in church, 235 00:13:35,057 --> 00:13:37,537 Speaker 6: I wasn't really seeking him. I think I just expected 236 00:13:37,537 --> 00:13:40,537 Speaker 6: those things to happen, and I started asking questions and 237 00:13:40,577 --> 00:13:44,817 Speaker 6: I started getting disappointed and discouraged and thinking God. 238 00:13:44,497 --> 00:13:46,537 Speaker 3: Where are you? And what are you doing? 239 00:13:46,737 --> 00:13:51,497 Speaker 6: And around in those years, also kind of a really 240 00:13:51,537 --> 00:13:54,977 Speaker 6: hard thing happened in my family when my oldest niece 241 00:13:55,097 --> 00:13:58,457 Speaker 6: was diagnosed with leukemia and when. 242 00:13:58,817 --> 00:13:59,737 Speaker 3: She got sick. 243 00:14:00,297 --> 00:14:03,777 Speaker 6: I say, the first one that really fell to their 244 00:14:03,817 --> 00:14:07,377 Speaker 6: knees that just seeking God in all things was my mom. 245 00:14:07,537 --> 00:14:11,657 Speaker 6: And my mom kind of carried us in faith through 246 00:14:11,737 --> 00:14:13,577 Speaker 6: that illness. But it was kind of one of those 247 00:14:13,577 --> 00:14:17,857 Speaker 6: first things in our family that we couldn't solve. We 248 00:14:17,897 --> 00:14:21,337 Speaker 6: couldn't fix it, we couldn't heal her. It was definitely 249 00:14:21,977 --> 00:14:26,617 Speaker 6: outside of our capacity. And I think that was kind 250 00:14:26,697 --> 00:14:31,017 Speaker 6: of a oh Gosh, where is God? Who is he really? 251 00:14:31,337 --> 00:14:33,977 Speaker 6: What can we really depend on him in? And it 252 00:14:34,057 --> 00:14:36,377 Speaker 6: really started to change a lot of our lives and 253 00:14:36,417 --> 00:14:36,857 Speaker 6: a lot. 254 00:14:36,697 --> 00:14:37,617 Speaker 3: Of our faith walks. 255 00:14:38,377 --> 00:14:42,097 Speaker 6: I was frustrated and a little bit disappointed, and God 256 00:14:42,377 --> 00:14:47,257 Speaker 6: just began to peel away layers and layers of expectations 257 00:14:47,297 --> 00:14:49,217 Speaker 6: and hurts and was. 258 00:14:49,217 --> 00:14:51,377 Speaker 3: Kind of like, are you ready to go all in 259 00:14:51,417 --> 00:14:51,697 Speaker 3: with me? 260 00:14:51,897 --> 00:14:55,177 Speaker 6: Like this is what we started years ago, and are 261 00:14:55,177 --> 00:14:57,297 Speaker 6: you ready to do what I've called you to? And 262 00:14:57,977 --> 00:15:01,537 Speaker 6: at that point I said yes, I changed course, and 263 00:15:01,577 --> 00:15:04,817 Speaker 6: Praise the Lord, She's in our early thirties now, and 264 00:15:05,257 --> 00:15:09,217 Speaker 6: you know, successfully navigated that and we are so grateful. 265 00:15:14,057 --> 00:15:16,777 Speaker 6: Through my thirties, as I started working for him, working 266 00:15:16,817 --> 00:15:19,617 Speaker 6: here at Hope for the Heart, there were really about 267 00:15:19,657 --> 00:15:23,217 Speaker 6: seven or eight years in my late thirties and early 268 00:15:23,297 --> 00:15:27,417 Speaker 6: forties where I was overseas a lot, doing training a lot, 269 00:15:27,857 --> 00:15:30,817 Speaker 6: and still all the paths that He was leading me to. 270 00:15:31,457 --> 00:15:34,737 Speaker 6: I wasn't meeting somebody, I didn't get married, and I 271 00:15:34,857 --> 00:15:40,737 Speaker 6: wasn't having kids. So that time of trying to understand 272 00:15:41,457 --> 00:15:45,817 Speaker 6: the goodness of God and his calling in spite of 273 00:15:46,577 --> 00:15:50,577 Speaker 6: some of the biggest disappointment and hurt in my life, 274 00:15:51,257 --> 00:15:53,897 Speaker 6: that was certainly a time that I felt. I didn't 275 00:15:53,897 --> 00:15:58,457 Speaker 6: feel uncertain of him, but I was feeling afraid and 276 00:15:58,577 --> 00:16:02,937 Speaker 6: definitely stretched, and I had to really go to him 277 00:16:03,017 --> 00:16:06,537 Speaker 6: with the Okay, if I delight myself and you're supposed 278 00:16:06,537 --> 00:16:09,137 Speaker 6: to give me the desires of my heart, you've said 279 00:16:09,137 --> 00:16:12,537 Speaker 6: two are better than one. I had to search through 280 00:16:12,657 --> 00:16:17,137 Speaker 6: his word with him and really dig in to believe 281 00:16:17,217 --> 00:16:20,177 Speaker 6: that he is good in spite of those disappointments. 282 00:16:20,777 --> 00:16:23,777 Speaker 3: And the wonderful. 283 00:16:23,297 --> 00:16:26,617 Speaker 6: Thing was as I hit forty and as I got 284 00:16:26,697 --> 00:16:28,857 Speaker 6: kind of there had been many years where I was like, 285 00:16:29,057 --> 00:16:31,017 Speaker 6: if by the time I'm not forty, I don't have kids. 286 00:16:31,617 --> 00:16:32,657 Speaker 3: It was such a fear. 287 00:16:32,777 --> 00:16:34,657 Speaker 6: And then I got to forty and I was like, 288 00:16:34,897 --> 00:16:38,257 Speaker 6: I see you working on my life so specifically, I 289 00:16:38,337 --> 00:16:40,817 Speaker 6: believe so much that you've called me where I am. 290 00:16:41,337 --> 00:16:44,497 Speaker 6: I have no doubt that you have set me on 291 00:16:44,537 --> 00:16:47,177 Speaker 6: this path and these opportunities you've opened up for me, 292 00:16:47,617 --> 00:16:49,457 Speaker 6: and even doing the work overseas. 293 00:16:50,097 --> 00:16:52,057 Speaker 3: I just I believe that this is you. 294 00:16:52,337 --> 00:16:55,377 Speaker 6: And so if you have called me to this and 295 00:16:55,457 --> 00:16:58,977 Speaker 6: you know that these things are kind of taken me 296 00:16:59,097 --> 00:17:02,137 Speaker 6: out of a position of being married right now or 297 00:17:02,217 --> 00:17:05,336 Speaker 6: having kids, then I'm going to trust you with it. 298 00:17:05,537 --> 00:17:08,216 Speaker 6: I'm going to trust you that your plan is good 299 00:17:08,337 --> 00:17:12,097 Speaker 6: and that you are good, and it's not that you 300 00:17:12,257 --> 00:17:16,137 Speaker 6: have forgotten me. It's not that you have left me 301 00:17:16,257 --> 00:17:20,976 Speaker 6: behind or just disregarded my heart to have kids, but 302 00:17:21,097 --> 00:17:24,696 Speaker 6: that you have entrusted me with this plan. You have 303 00:17:24,977 --> 00:17:28,936 Speaker 6: entrusted me to still believe that you are good and 304 00:17:29,017 --> 00:17:32,977 Speaker 6: still proclaim your goodness and still love you in spite 305 00:17:33,137 --> 00:17:37,857 Speaker 6: of some of this hurt that I am experiencing. And 306 00:17:37,937 --> 00:17:43,377 Speaker 6: so I'm incredibly grateful for how intentional he has been 307 00:17:43,457 --> 00:17:47,657 Speaker 6: with me, even through the disappointments in my life. Because 308 00:17:47,977 --> 00:17:51,057 Speaker 6: I don't have any regrets and I don't have any doubts. 309 00:17:51,417 --> 00:17:55,097 Speaker 6: I do have disappointments, I do have grief in the past, 310 00:17:55,177 --> 00:18:00,457 Speaker 6: but I also have joy and great confidence, and I'm 311 00:18:00,577 --> 00:18:01,497 Speaker 6: very grateful for that. 312 00:18:02,137 --> 00:18:04,377 Speaker 3: He's been good. There have been a lot of times 313 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:07,497 Speaker 3: that I was mad or heard or like what are 314 00:18:07,497 --> 00:18:09,977 Speaker 3: you doing and where are you? And he's just been 315 00:18:10,017 --> 00:18:11,217 Speaker 3: so patient and good. 316 00:18:13,577 --> 00:18:16,976 Speaker 6: It's always been I think, who God created me to be. 317 00:18:17,137 --> 00:18:20,657 Speaker 6: Looking back over my years and my giftings and the 318 00:18:20,697 --> 00:18:23,617 Speaker 6: different things that maybe I was good at through elementary 319 00:18:23,657 --> 00:18:26,097 Speaker 6: and junior high in high school, it's always kind of 320 00:18:26,137 --> 00:18:30,497 Speaker 6: been there, but it was certainly unrefined. It certainly wasn't 321 00:18:30,537 --> 00:18:33,377 Speaker 6: necessarily a gifting that I was giving to the Lord, 322 00:18:34,017 --> 00:18:37,297 Speaker 6: and in my late twenties when I really turned back 323 00:18:37,337 --> 00:18:39,697 Speaker 6: to him and I said, was telling him I really 324 00:18:39,737 --> 00:18:42,417 Speaker 6: wanted to live my life for him, and I said, 325 00:18:42,537 --> 00:18:44,657 Speaker 6: I will go through every door and. 326 00:18:44,697 --> 00:18:46,097 Speaker 3: Window that you open. Lord. 327 00:18:46,737 --> 00:18:51,297 Speaker 6: And I have always loved helping people through those times. 328 00:18:51,417 --> 00:18:55,817 Speaker 6: I think getting it refined by God through the Master's 329 00:18:55,857 --> 00:18:59,456 Speaker 6: program and through my early work in counseling. It really 330 00:18:59,497 --> 00:19:03,017 Speaker 6: just was mostly relieving me of the pressure. I'm not 331 00:19:03,097 --> 00:19:06,577 Speaker 6: the healer. I'm not the fixer find I try to 332 00:19:06,617 --> 00:19:08,537 Speaker 6: tell people kind of you need to do this, and 333 00:19:08,537 --> 00:19:12,377 Speaker 6: you've got to do that, and cultural expectations and giving 334 00:19:12,617 --> 00:19:13,537 Speaker 6: more advice. 335 00:19:13,977 --> 00:19:15,737 Speaker 3: But when we allow God. 336 00:19:15,537 --> 00:19:18,137 Speaker 6: To use the gifts that He's given us, and we 337 00:19:18,217 --> 00:19:21,417 Speaker 6: allow him to shape that, it takes all the pressure. 338 00:19:21,457 --> 00:19:24,377 Speaker 3: That's when the burden is light. When the yoke is 339 00:19:24,457 --> 00:19:26,817 Speaker 3: on the Lord, I just get. 340 00:19:26,617 --> 00:19:29,617 Speaker 6: To help lead people to his word. I just get 341 00:19:29,617 --> 00:19:32,537 Speaker 6: to know that He is the healer, he is the fixer. 342 00:19:40,737 --> 00:19:44,257 Speaker 6: I've traveled to about thirty seven different countries, trained in 343 00:19:44,457 --> 00:19:48,857 Speaker 6: many of them and experiencing that the hurts of people, 344 00:19:49,017 --> 00:19:50,857 Speaker 6: I like to say, whether they're in a hut or 345 00:19:50,897 --> 00:19:53,736 Speaker 6: a high rise. Rather we are in a village in 346 00:19:53,777 --> 00:19:56,457 Speaker 6: Africa or we're in a high rise in Hong Kong. 347 00:19:56,537 --> 00:19:58,537 Speaker 3: It does not matter where we are. 348 00:19:59,377 --> 00:20:03,217 Speaker 6: The struggles of the human heart are the same, which 349 00:20:03,257 --> 00:20:07,657 Speaker 6: holds true for why scripture is the solution for everywhere. 350 00:20:08,177 --> 00:20:14,137 Speaker 6: It is anger, it's hurt, its unforgiveness, it's fear, it's depression, 351 00:20:14,937 --> 00:20:17,937 Speaker 6: the challenges that people face no matter where they are. 352 00:20:18,377 --> 00:20:22,216 Speaker 6: The circumstances are going to be different, but the emotions 353 00:20:22,257 --> 00:20:25,417 Speaker 6: and a lot of the facts of it are the same. 354 00:20:26,137 --> 00:20:28,497 Speaker 6: We want to help people, we want to help hearts, 355 00:20:28,737 --> 00:20:33,017 Speaker 6: but helping those who are trying to help others, helping 356 00:20:33,057 --> 00:20:36,777 Speaker 6: them carry that load, helping them have the tools and 357 00:20:36,817 --> 00:20:40,897 Speaker 6: the equipping to fulfill the ministry, because in the ministry 358 00:20:40,937 --> 00:20:44,137 Speaker 6: of counseling, if you don't have some of those tools, 359 00:20:44,217 --> 00:20:48,696 Speaker 6: the pressure can become overwhelming because you're hearing all the 360 00:20:48,817 --> 00:20:52,337 Speaker 6: hurts and all the struggles of so many people. I 361 00:20:52,457 --> 00:20:55,337 Speaker 6: kind of say it can be like putting on everybody's overcoat. 362 00:20:55,897 --> 00:20:58,897 Speaker 3: If you just put everybody's overcoat on you, over and 363 00:20:58,977 --> 00:21:00,297 Speaker 3: over and over all. 364 00:21:00,137 --> 00:21:02,737 Speaker 6: The people that are bringing their hurts to you, well, 365 00:21:02,777 --> 00:21:06,577 Speaker 6: you will get weighed down, You will get overburdened in 366 00:21:06,657 --> 00:21:12,297 Speaker 6: that calling, so equipping pastors, equipping church leaders, equipping parents, 367 00:21:12,417 --> 00:21:16,537 Speaker 6: equipping friends. I was in Istanbul doing a training and 368 00:21:16,817 --> 00:21:19,577 Speaker 6: a pastor of a local church was the translator for 369 00:21:19,617 --> 00:21:23,577 Speaker 6: the training, and in between our sessions, at one point 370 00:21:23,617 --> 00:21:26,377 Speaker 6: he just wrote down in tears and he said, you 371 00:21:26,537 --> 00:21:29,377 Speaker 6: have to come to church on Sunday and share this 372 00:21:29,537 --> 00:21:33,177 Speaker 6: perspective and this content with some of our leaders, because 373 00:21:33,177 --> 00:21:36,177 Speaker 6: he said, everybody in the church wants to come directly 374 00:21:36,257 --> 00:21:39,377 Speaker 6: to me. Everybody wants to come to me and share 375 00:21:39,457 --> 00:21:41,897 Speaker 6: their hurts. And he said it's gotten to the point 376 00:21:41,937 --> 00:21:44,737 Speaker 6: where I just even dread when I see my own 377 00:21:44,817 --> 00:21:49,257 Speaker 6: sheep coming toward me, because he was trying to shepherd them, 378 00:21:49,697 --> 00:21:53,617 Speaker 6: preach to them, teach them, and lead them, but they 379 00:21:53,897 --> 00:21:57,137 Speaker 6: needed somebody to hear their hearts and it was just 380 00:21:57,217 --> 00:22:00,777 Speaker 6: too much for him. So helping him equip leaders that 381 00:22:00,857 --> 00:22:05,537 Speaker 6: are called to care within his congregation was really important 382 00:22:05,817 --> 00:22:08,337 Speaker 6: to him and something that I was really thankful that 383 00:22:08,377 --> 00:22:10,696 Speaker 6: we were able to do to expose them so he 384 00:22:10,737 --> 00:22:14,857 Speaker 6: could feel confident that they were giving biblical advice, that 385 00:22:14,897 --> 00:22:18,537 Speaker 6: they were giving biblical counsel and not just telling people 386 00:22:18,577 --> 00:22:23,137 Speaker 6: to manage things based on their own experiences or their 387 00:22:23,137 --> 00:22:26,817 Speaker 6: own cultural backgrounds, but that his teams were ready to 388 00:22:26,857 --> 00:22:30,617 Speaker 6: bring God's word into the conversation and help people seek 389 00:22:30,657 --> 00:22:34,337 Speaker 6: God for their solutions. That is something that keeps me 390 00:22:34,457 --> 00:22:37,897 Speaker 6: going in this ministry. That's something that keeps me willing 391 00:22:37,977 --> 00:22:40,857 Speaker 6: to get on the next flight or to have the 392 00:22:40,897 --> 00:22:44,777 Speaker 6: next event that we're holding. We know that people are 393 00:22:44,857 --> 00:22:48,537 Speaker 6: carrying quite a load as they try to care for others, 394 00:22:48,617 --> 00:22:50,697 Speaker 6: and we want to help them be the most prepared 395 00:22:50,737 --> 00:22:53,577 Speaker 6: to do that so they can still have joy in 396 00:22:53,617 --> 00:22:57,017 Speaker 6: their calling, joy in their ministry, that they truly can 397 00:22:57,057 --> 00:23:00,097 Speaker 6: trust in God to be the one to manage these 398 00:23:00,137 --> 00:23:03,577 Speaker 6: things and just really be a vessel of help and hope. 399 00:23:03,657 --> 00:23:07,297 Speaker 6: So I would say we want to help every hurting heart, 400 00:23:07,457 --> 00:23:11,137 Speaker 6: but specifically those leaders and those people that are trying 401 00:23:11,137 --> 00:23:15,817 Speaker 6: to care for others. I want to be in the 402 00:23:15,817 --> 00:23:18,936 Speaker 6: Word of God every morning. I want that to shape me. 403 00:23:19,137 --> 00:23:23,577 Speaker 6: I want that to impact that internal dialogue that I 404 00:23:23,697 --> 00:23:27,537 Speaker 6: have every morning. Just finding either a book that I'm 405 00:23:27,577 --> 00:23:31,537 Speaker 6: reading through along with whatever passage and scripture that I'm 406 00:23:31,577 --> 00:23:34,617 Speaker 6: going through at the time. It has to shape me 407 00:23:34,777 --> 00:23:39,057 Speaker 6: because when I don't do that, I am very susceptible 408 00:23:39,257 --> 00:23:43,696 Speaker 6: to being kind of taken off course by whatever the 409 00:23:43,697 --> 00:23:46,937 Speaker 6: worry or the concern or the situation is that I'm facing. 410 00:23:47,017 --> 00:23:49,857 Speaker 3: So I'm really grateful for that grounding. 411 00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:53,497 Speaker 6: I do remember the first time that I was exposed 412 00:23:53,537 --> 00:23:55,937 Speaker 6: to Jesus Calling. It's been a part of my life 413 00:23:55,977 --> 00:23:58,617 Speaker 6: over the years. Many times I will go back through 414 00:23:58,737 --> 00:24:01,657 Speaker 6: Jesus Calling. But the first time that we got it, 415 00:24:01,897 --> 00:24:05,177 Speaker 6: a relative send it to my parents, I believe with 416 00:24:05,337 --> 00:24:09,337 Speaker 6: my dad was diagnosed with multiple maloma, and again it 417 00:24:09,377 --> 00:24:12,537 Speaker 6: was one of the scariest times in our life, and 418 00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:16,097 Speaker 6: so we loved the Lord and go through his. 419 00:24:15,977 --> 00:24:17,457 Speaker 3: Word and go through scripture. 420 00:24:18,057 --> 00:24:21,736 Speaker 6: But when you're so scared and so tired, and my 421 00:24:21,857 --> 00:24:25,577 Speaker 6: dad was so sick, Jesus Calling was one of those 422 00:24:25,777 --> 00:24:29,377 Speaker 6: things that we could do together, even as we were 423 00:24:29,377 --> 00:24:31,337 Speaker 6: in the hospital with him. In the mornings, he and 424 00:24:31,377 --> 00:24:35,177 Speaker 6: my mom would do that, going through that together, just 425 00:24:35,417 --> 00:24:40,017 Speaker 6: being reminded of God's presence, being reminded of his voice 426 00:24:40,057 --> 00:24:42,497 Speaker 6: in our life, being reminded. 427 00:24:41,937 --> 00:24:44,817 Speaker 3: That in his word. Just starting with that. 428 00:24:45,057 --> 00:24:49,216 Speaker 6: There were a few passages in Jesus Calling. In particular, 429 00:24:49,257 --> 00:24:51,537 Speaker 6: there was one it was talking about the golden threads, 430 00:24:51,617 --> 00:24:55,497 Speaker 6: seeing the golden thread of God working in our life, 431 00:24:55,657 --> 00:24:59,617 Speaker 6: and there were just moments that that was really all 432 00:24:59,657 --> 00:25:02,137 Speaker 6: we could lean into or had the power to lean into. 433 00:25:02,737 --> 00:25:05,257 Speaker 6: But it kept us at the foot, it kept us 434 00:25:05,817 --> 00:25:09,736 Speaker 6: with Jesus, and it was very important to us. I 435 00:25:09,817 --> 00:25:12,897 Speaker 6: just think it's such a good way for people to 436 00:25:12,977 --> 00:25:17,377 Speaker 6: connect in with and begin to practice leaning into the 437 00:25:17,417 --> 00:25:21,456 Speaker 6: Lord every day. So I've personally loved it, and I 438 00:25:21,497 --> 00:25:25,337 Speaker 6: think just spending time with Jesus every morning is one 439 00:25:25,417 --> 00:25:31,777 Speaker 6: of the great sustaining forces in my life. Jesus listens 440 00:25:32,217 --> 00:25:38,097 Speaker 6: March thirtieth, My loving Savior, Your unfailing love is my 441 00:25:38,257 --> 00:25:42,617 Speaker 6: comfort because I live in such a broken world, trouble 442 00:25:42,737 --> 00:25:46,137 Speaker 6: is never far away. Although there are many sources of 443 00:25:46,177 --> 00:25:50,057 Speaker 6: comfort available to me, only one of them is unfailing 444 00:25:50,657 --> 00:25:54,817 Speaker 6: your love. Other sources may help me some of the time, 445 00:25:55,337 --> 00:25:58,696 Speaker 6: but your consoling presence is with me all of the time. 446 00:25:59,257 --> 00:26:03,337 Speaker 6: The perfect, inexhaustible love you provide is not just a 447 00:26:03,377 --> 00:26:05,177 Speaker 6: thing that makes me feel less upset. 448 00:26:05,817 --> 00:26:07,137 Speaker 3: It's also a person. 449 00:26:07,977 --> 00:26:11,497 Speaker 6: Your love is inseparable from you, so nothing in all 450 00:26:11,537 --> 00:26:15,857 Speaker 6: creation can separate me from your loving presence. Help me 451 00:26:15,897 --> 00:26:20,017 Speaker 6: to remember who I am, your cherished follower. I can 452 00:26:20,057 --> 00:26:22,657 Speaker 6: come to you for comfort as often as I need, 453 00:26:23,137 --> 00:26:25,897 Speaker 6: Since you are a boundless source of blessing to me. 454 00:26:26,617 --> 00:26:29,017 Speaker 6: I want to be a blessing in the lives of 455 00:26:29,097 --> 00:26:33,057 Speaker 6: other people, comforting those in any trouble with the comfort 456 00:26:33,177 --> 00:26:36,777 Speaker 6: I have received from you in your comforting. 457 00:26:36,337 --> 00:26:38,417 Speaker 3: Name, Jesus Amen. 458 00:26:41,097 --> 00:26:44,857 Speaker 1: To learn more about Hailey Scully, visit Hopefotheheart dot org 459 00:26:45,177 --> 00:26:47,097 Speaker 1: and be sure to check out Hope for the Heart's 460 00:26:47,097 --> 00:26:50,496 Speaker 1: new book, The Care and Counsel Handbook, a quick reference 461 00:26:50,537 --> 00:26:53,577 Speaker 1: guide of Biblical answers for one hundred real life issues 462 00:26:53,777 --> 00:26:56,257 Speaker 1: at your favorite retailer. If you'd like to hear more 463 00:26:56,297 --> 00:26:59,097 Speaker 1: stories about Hope and healing, check out our interview with 464 00:26:59,177 --> 00:27:06,417 Speaker 1: Clarissa and Fiona Mole. Next time on the Jesus Lille Podcasts, 465 00:27:06,497 --> 00:27:09,097 Speaker 1: we'll hear from Chris Blair, the founder of The Listening 466 00:27:09,177 --> 00:27:12,977 Speaker 1: Room and Cafe, a premier venue for hit songwriters. Chris 467 00:27:12,977 --> 00:27:15,976 Speaker 1: shares his early aspirations to be an artist himself and 468 00:27:16,057 --> 00:27:18,137 Speaker 1: how it came to create a place for a community 469 00:27:18,137 --> 00:27:20,377 Speaker 1: of songwriters to feel like they belonged. 470 00:27:21,937 --> 00:27:25,097 Speaker 7: The early dream of what I wanted people to experience 471 00:27:25,137 --> 00:27:27,977 Speaker 7: when they walked into the doors of the Listening Room 472 00:27:28,017 --> 00:27:30,137 Speaker 7: for the first time is that they just felt like 473 00:27:30,177 --> 00:27:34,297 Speaker 7: they belonged. 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