1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Lots going on in the world. Bib Natiyahu is in 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: washingt DC crucial meetings when it comes to a deal 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: or potential kinetic military action with Iran. CBDA to the 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: Heritie Foundation joined us later in the show as well 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: to discuss the new elections in Japan that has seen 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: a emboldened, concerned majority. But for now, our attention goes 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: out west, Out west, young man, we shall go. We 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: go to Tucson, Arizona, which has been the epicenter of 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: the American media universe for the past week and a half, 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: because it has now been eleven days since Nancy Guthrie 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: has gone missing, the mother of Savannah Guthrie, and the 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: nation continues to watch us. Has been the number one 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: story we're gonna bring on right now from Tucson, Arizona. 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Randy Sutten, Randy Sudden. You've probably seen him all over media. 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: He has barely had a second to sleep as far 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: as I can understand. Randy Sutten is a retired police 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: lieutenant with the Las Vegas Metro Police Department. Is also 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: the founder of the Too Blue. He's really been the 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: guy on the ground covering the story on Tucson. So 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: Randy really delighted you made some time to join us there, 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: take some time out of your super busy schedule. Let's 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: begin and dive right in, just just with the latest. 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: So yesterday on Tuesday, we saw this, this footage for 25 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: the first time of this guy with a mask, and 26 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: this is the first time we've really seen any indication 27 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: as to what the kidnapper, Nancy Guthrie, might look like. 28 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: Someone was then taken into custody and apparently promptly released 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: what's the latest? What are you singing here and there 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: on the ground and TUSA. 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: All right, so you know this has been going on 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: for eleven days now. Misscut three was abducted, kidnapped for 33 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: her home, and there was lots of you know, theories, 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: conjectures about what, you know, who did it, what the 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: suspect look like. And at the initial outset of the investigation, 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: the sheriff here in p mccounty came out and made 37 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: a series of Prescott diferences that were a little disjointed, 38 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: and in one of those he said that the camera 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 2: had been the ring camera in this case, nest camera 40 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: had been destroyed and that there was no way to 41 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: recover any of the video because there wasn't a subscription. 42 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: Now let's go a week later that yesterday, the FBI 43 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 2: came out and they've been involved intricately with this case. 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: But it has been determined that they weren't called out 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: for a couple of days, which is which is an 46 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: issue now, and so a lot of the evidence and 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: the forensic abilities capabilities that they have were utilize at 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: the proper moments, which would have been at the outset 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: of this investigation. But they were able, working with Google 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: and I guess some other tech partners to recover the 51 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: chilling video that has now been made public, and what 52 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: it shows is that this individual, just like a horror 53 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: movie with a stocking mask and his weird looking blood 54 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: and a backpack full with god knows what shows him 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: basically approaching the door, trying to break the camera and 56 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: then getting some vegetation, picking it up and obscuring the camera. 57 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: But clearly during this thing you see that he is armed. 58 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: He's got a holster in the front of his hands, 59 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: which is it looked like a howdy duty holster quite honestly, 60 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: but it also looked like it had a semi automatic 61 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: pistol which would not fit the holster. But still he's armed. 62 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: And you see this, this this creature, you know, at 63 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: the front door, and it is it is really really 64 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: frightening to see. Now. Shortly after this was released, this 65 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: was released to the public, tips started pouring in and 66 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: one of those tips apparently led to the enforcement actions 67 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: that we witnessed yesterday. I am literally in the parking 68 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: lot with all the rest of the media people of 69 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: the p MC County Sheriffs, and we saw a bunch 70 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: of vehicles pull out here that the command center, the 71 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: mobile command center, swat team, even bomb splot that all 72 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: rolled out here in the mid afternoon. And it turns 73 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: out that they were going to a property south of 74 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 2: the city. And then we discovered that they had made 75 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: a vehicle stop, referenced this case taking someone into custody, 76 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 2: detained them, and then did a warrant at a home 77 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: down there in this community about twelve miles from the 78 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: Mexican border, and they took this individual from a vehicle 79 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: stop and question. Now that seemed like, okay, maybe finally 80 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 2: we've got a successful conclusion to you know, or someone 81 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: of a ceciful conclusion with the arrest of an individual. Well, 82 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: in the later on in the evening, we determined that 83 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: we found out that they had released this individual, and 84 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: then we're back to square one. Basically, when it comes 85 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: to identifying a suspect. That's it in about the biggest 86 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: nutshell I can get it too. 87 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: No, I appreciate that. That's very helpful, useful information. RENDI, I 88 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: think the number one question that most Americans and Frankie 89 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: was international observers of America's raucous news cycle. The most 90 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: frequent question that I hear being asked, and frankly that 91 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm asking myself, is how this is. This is a 92 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: first world country. We have deeply sophisticated law enforcement, deeply 93 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: deeply sophisticated units at the local, state, eight and federal level. 94 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: It's been eleven days now, it's been eleven days. How 95 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: have we not managed to get this individual and and 96 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: track down Nancy Guthrie. 97 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: Well, when it comes down to an investigation of this magnitude, 98 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: you have to first of all, everything has to be 99 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: treated correctly at the scenes from the outset. Now, there 100 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: was confusion at the outset. This began as a missing 101 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: person's case. Missus gut Thrie is eighty four years old. 102 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: She didn't show up for a basically visiting some friends 103 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: to watch a church service, and that pause of the alarmed, 104 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 2: they went to the house and discovered she wasn't there. Now, 105 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 2: while they were there, they also discovered some some blood 106 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: that was at the front of the door and that 107 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: she that she was gone. Her cell phone was there, 108 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: property was there. And at that point, now we've seen 109 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: elderly to wander off before, right, this is this is 110 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: this actually happens all of the time. If they if 111 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: we're going to treat this like a missing person's case, 112 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: which they seem to do just in the very outset, 113 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: because they and they began a search and rescue. Uh, 114 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: they called in, they called in their their volunteers to 115 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: look in the area, look for this has got three takings. 116 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: She may have wandered off, but according to every source, 117 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: she has her she has all of her marbles that 118 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: she is perfectly you know, in charge of herself. Although 119 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: she lived alone, she is capable of complete thought. And 120 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 2: so they determined that this and the determined it pretty 121 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: early because the sheriff gave this conference. I think you 122 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: know that that night or the or the next day, 123 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: saying that it was a crime scene. And then they 124 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: had called out homicide. You don't call off homicide. You listen, 125 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: you got some pretty serious, you know, thought processes that 126 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 2: this is a serious, serious crime. And then he declared 127 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: a crime scene. But apparently even though they had made 128 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: this determination and they concluded that this was an abduction, 129 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 2: they didn't notify the FBI until a couple of days later. Now, 130 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: there's also another issue here that is at play well. 131 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: That is, at the initial beginning of this investigation, they 132 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: have an aircraft here they go along with their search 133 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: and rescue, and this aircraft was not deployed in a 134 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 2: timely manner, and the reason was because of interdisciplinary aspects 135 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: concerning the pilot who had apparently gotten into some type 136 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: of dispute with the sheriff here, and so the sheriff 137 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: that modeing number moved him out and they had no 138 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: pilot for the plane, and instead of bringing it back, 139 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: they let them languish. And apparently they're they're according to 140 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: my sources on the ground here, this department has some 141 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: serious issues with with the sheriff and the leadership. There's 142 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: a there's a real problem here, and including that the 143 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: most experienced homicide detectives in the department were also in 144 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: a dispute with the sheriff and they were reassigned to 145 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: patrol or somewhere else. And now they have inexperienced homicide 146 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: detectives in the bureau. Now it's not their fault that 147 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: they're inexperienced, but they only have about five homicides a 148 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: year here. And in order to become competent in that 149 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: in that you know that field, you got it, you 150 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: got to have the experience. So that is another issue. 151 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: So you asked a question, how in this day and 152 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: age could this happen and we not have this individual 153 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: and custody and all of that that I just told 154 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: plays a role in the answer to that question. This 155 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 2: individual is unidentified at this time. There was also, then, 156 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: of course, we have the issue with the Brandson demand, 157 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: and that took an enormous amount of investigative time and effort, 158 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: and which appears to be a red herring. They did 159 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 2: make an arrest on one person who tried to extort 160 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: the family. They had no contact with this family at all, 161 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: and just we're opportunists, and now they're looking to see 162 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 2: if the same thing is with the other demands. There 163 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: is so much at work here, so much investigative capital 164 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: that needs to be put into this, that it isn't 165 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: it isn't a time consuming issue. The problem is you 166 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: got an eighty four year old woman who is not 167 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: in good health, who's been missing for eleven days now, 168 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: and this unfortunately, I you know, I fear deeply for 169 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 2: her safety. 170 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: No doubt about that. I mean, she needs her medicine, 171 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: she needs her food and water. I mean, look, I mean, 172 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: I think all of us are hoping here for a 173 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: Hollywood ending, but as every day passes by, I think 174 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: it's safe to say that the odds of that tragically 175 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: just go down further and further up in the event. 176 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: Rennie Sudden, we really appreciate you joined the show with 177 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: your on the ground insights again post one on time. 178 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: Renny Sun is the retired police lieutenant for the Las 179 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: Vegas Metro Police Department, founder of the Wounded Blue, but 180 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: on the ground in Tucson since Nancy Guthrie went missing. 181 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Randy, try to get some sleep. 182 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: I know it's easier to have been done for you 183 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: out there there, but we really appreciate you making time 184 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: to join us today. 185 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and if you would please let people 186 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: know to visit though Woundedblue dot org. 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So a lot happening, 205 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: and I want to talk about the meeting happening or 206 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: that happened, I should say, earlier in Washington see today 207 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: between Prime Minister Netanyahu and his delegation with President Trump's team. 208 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: All this happening in the broader context of the continued 209 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: to negotiations with Iran. Will Trump strike? Will he not strike? 210 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: There? 211 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: But first I want to give a brief follow up 212 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: to a topic that we addressed on Tuesday show, which 213 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: is this. We discussed how there was a woman by 214 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: the name of Carrie Prijan Boehler who I had literally 215 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: never heard of. I had never heard of this woman 216 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: prior to her antics on Monday. Those antics were when 217 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: she hijacked a meeting of the White House Religious Liberty Commission, 218 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: a fairly serious and solemn body that Donald Trump signed 219 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: into law by executive order in May twenty twenty five. 220 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: Lots of very reputable, learned, scholarly, just good people on 221 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: this commission, representatives of Evangelical Protestantism, of Catholicism, or Orthodox Judaism, 222 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: really really good folks. And then this total dweeb, this 223 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: Bimbo was on this commission and went into this hearing 224 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: with a clear ideological agenda, constantly trying to hijack a 225 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: hearing that was supposed to be on the grave scourge 226 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: of Jew hatred, of Anty Semitism and trying to turn 227 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: it into this, this interrogation of anti Zionism is anti 228 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: Zionism the same as antisemitism. Do you condemn Israel's genocide 229 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: of the innocent in Gaza while she's wearing the PLO flag. 230 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: She literally shows up to this meeting on anti Semitism 231 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: wearing the PLO flat. I mean, this is roughly the 232 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: equivalent at least of calling in the arsonists to put 233 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: out the fire. You might say it's the equivalent of 234 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: calling in Osama bin Laden to lead the nine to 235 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: eleven Commission. I mean, this woman self identified as a 236 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: daily Candice Owens watcher, need I say anymore? 237 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 3: So? 238 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: The upshot and the only reason that we're talking about 239 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: again here is that earlier today, Dan Patrick, who is 240 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: the Lieutenant Governor of the Great State of Texas and 241 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: also the chair he's the chairman of the White House 242 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: Willis Liberty Commission, he put out a short statement on 243 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: x saying that Carrie Bejean Bowler has been fired from 244 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: the White House Religious Liberty Commission, Dan Patrick saying that 245 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: it was his decision as chairs. He is taking the 246 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: complete onus on this. Who knows what kind of behind 247 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: the scenes discussions were had there, but Patrick is taking 248 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: responsibility for this woman getting booted off the commission. Now, 249 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: this is starting to get again this ever recurring debate 250 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: as to what you ought to do in a situation 251 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: like this. On the one hand, it seems pretty clear 252 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: that carry Brijan Bowler, what she actually wants to do 253 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: is to become a martyr. She has been tweeting about 254 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: free speech, the Zionist supremacists are trying to cancel by 255 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: free speech and all this utterly deranged mental asylum Candice 256 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: Owen's esque stuff. She wants to play the victim card. 257 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: She wants to me the martyr. She wants to make 258 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: her rounds on the Tucker Carlson Show and the various 259 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: other idiotic quote unquote right wing podcasts. She wants to 260 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: build credenttles, gain more Instagram followers, and this and that. 261 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: So the argument against firing her is basically, you give 262 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: her what she wanted. However, you still have to do 263 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: it because the alternative is that this commission, it is 264 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: viewed as completely illegitimate for the remain time that it exists. Again, 265 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: this debate happens over and over and over again. 266 00:15:59,800 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: I know. 267 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: I know for a fact that the Daily Wire was 268 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: having this internal debate prior to their ultimate decision just 269 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: about two years ago so to actually fire Kennis Owens. 270 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: They were debating this, are we gonna make her bigger 271 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: and stronger by doing it? 272 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: There? 273 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: But you ultimately really do have to do it because 274 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: your company could be besmirched by having a a truly 275 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: genuine evil person representing it, and in this case, your 276 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: presidential commission will have the same effect there. So kudos 277 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: to Dan Patrick, kudos to the Commission doing the right thing. 278 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: And I guess we'll see this woman probably will go 279 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: on Tucker, She'll play the victim card. But again I 280 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: don't think that there was another viable choice in town. Well, 281 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: speaking of the Jews, Bibi Natia who is back in 282 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: Washingt d c. He flew over yesterday. He met this 283 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: morning at the Blair House, which is very close to 284 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: the White House. It's where a lot of foreign dignitaries 285 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: stay during their diplomatic trips to the nation's capital to 286 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: visit the White House. Natanawo first met with Jared Kushner 287 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: and Steve Whitcoff who most recently with Coff and Kushner 288 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: were over in Oman in Muscat, the capital of Oman. 289 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: They were their last Friday to oversee nuclear talks, well 290 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: nuclear and potentially other talks. That's what we get to 291 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: here in just a moment between the United States and 292 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: Iran pertaining to their nuclear program and pertaining potentially to 293 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: their blistered missile program and the various other terrible things 294 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: that this most terrible of regimes does. So after the 295 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: meeting at Blairhouse earlier today at around eleven am, nets 296 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: Ya who met with Donald Trump in the White House 297 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: and his close to advisors. Vice President of Van's actually 298 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: not there. Vice President of Vance has been overseas in 299 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: Armenia and Azerbaijan actually for the past couple of days, 300 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: a conflict that I've been talking actually a decent amount 301 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: on this show. It is my humble opinion that the 302 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: Armenia Azerbaijan peace steal that the trudministration into last year 303 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: is the most under the radar unherlded peace deal. A 304 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: lot of people deserve a phenomenal amount of work for 305 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: again in that deal, done first and foremost the President himself, 306 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: certainly Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and also a man 307 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: with the name of Ria Lightstone, former guest here on 308 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: the Josh Shammer Show, who has been something of the 309 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: point person there in Armenia Asbreijehan. It's now been publicly 310 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: reported that Riga was accompanying JDA events the other the 311 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 1: past couple of days. So fantastic work again to that 312 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: whole team, but the Vice President was not there. The 313 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: President was there, and it has been widely reported that 314 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: Natiyahu delivered a very simple message, which is that if 315 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: you're going to go down this road of doing some 316 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: sort of deal with the malas one, you need some 317 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: way of enforcing it because virtually every other deal that's 318 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: been done with Iran ever in the history of negotiations 319 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: with this theocratic Islamist regime, it doesn't end because these 320 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: people don't keep their word. 321 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: You know. 322 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: I saw a US senator basically saying the same thing. 323 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: I think it was Sener Kennedy of Louisiana. Was what 324 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: is the purpose of this exercise. I mean, we're going 325 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: to dignify this with a negotiation as if they're actually 326 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: going to keep their word. Really, I mean, for twenty 327 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: five thirty years, the Iranians said that they weren't building 328 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: a nuclear program and they were hiding international inspectors from 329 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: the IAEA. Oh really, you guys had a nuclear program. 330 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: We now know that pretty pretty clearly for roughly like 331 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: a million different reasons, including the fact that the United 332 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: States bombed the living crap out of it last June. Now, 333 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: all this continued negotiation and Nettiyaho, along with Mark Rubio 334 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: and others in the deministration, is really delivering the message 335 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: that you can't just focus on the nuclear program, which 336 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: take a took a pretty serious hit during the Operation 337 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: Midnight Hammer Strikes last June. Rather the message being delivered 338 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: externally from NTSI Nyahu, when internally from the Secretary of 339 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: State Marco Rubio and some of his allies in the deministration, 340 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: the message being delivered internally to the Commander in chief 341 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: is that any deal reached with the MOLAS one needs 342 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: to somehow be verifiable, which historically has been essentially impossible 343 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: and two. It has to cover a lot more than 344 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: the nuclear sites. You talk about the ballistic missile programs, 345 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: of which they still have many. Yes, serious damage was 346 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: done in the joint American Israeli operations last summer, but 347 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: they still have eight lots of missiles, and those missiles 348 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: can go pretty far, and they can sow a lot 349 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: of discord, not just throughout the Middle East, but very 350 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: much into Northern Africa, very much also into Southeastern Europe 351 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: countries like Greece and Romania, Bulgaria very much potentially in 352 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 1: harm's way, certainly Cyprus as well when it comes to 353 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: Iranian missiles. So this is a big part of negotiations, 354 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: or at least it ought to be as well. Certainly, 355 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: also other things that should be discussed around support for 356 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: terrorist proxies in the region, such as Hamases, Balala, Palestini, 357 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: Islamic Jihad, the Houthis, et cetera, et cetera. And also 358 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: the million dollar question working in the background of this 359 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: whole time is what, if anything, will the United States 360 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: be able to extract from the Males when it comes 361 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: to their own dystopian, authoritarian, jack booted, thuggish treatment of 362 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: their own deeply suppressed people. There are no easy answers 363 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: to that. Again, it takes us back to the nuclear conversation. 364 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: You can't really trust these people to keep their word 365 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: in the first place. And that kind of takes me 366 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: back to my conclusion here, which is that if you 367 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: are going to get a deal, you better be darn 368 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: well sure that this is the actual deal of the century. 369 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: Obama Joined Comprehensive Plan of Action two point zero is 370 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: simply not going to cut it. That's not just as 371 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: an intrinsic matter, because you can't trust these people and 372 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: they're deeply dangerous actors, allied with all the worst on 373 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: the world stage China, Russia, et cetera. But President Trump, 374 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: you also drew a pretty bold, brash red line. That 375 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: red line has not just been crossed, it has been 376 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: trampled over in the most brutal way possible to tune 377 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: if at least thirty to forty thousand, potentially upwards of 378 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: eighty two hundred thousand slain by the regime SERI. So 379 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: if you're going to say I fulfilled my red line 380 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: with a deal, the deal better be the greatest deal 381 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: essentially of all time. I'm not saying it's impossible Don Trump, 382 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: in theory is the god to make it. But consider 383 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: me very very skeptical. At least we'll see what happens 384 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: after this. Stay with us with the break folks coming 385 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: up on the other side of this break, Stephen Yates 386 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: of the Harrismon Nation and joined us and experts on 387 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: all things China and indopocite related. Aroun relates to that 388 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: conversation as well. By the way, stay with us, we 389 00:21:52,119 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: will be right back. Welcome back, so Primersata who meeting 390 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump earlier today. Lots happening in the Middle East, 391 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: but our eyes are also always in the Indo Pacific, 392 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: where the Chinese Communist Party, I argue, is our first, second, third, fourth, 393 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: and fifth greatest threats to the American way of life 394 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: this century. And there's really a great person to join 395 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: us to talk about all the various ways that China's 396 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: threat and l's talk about how to contain that threat 397 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: that might come in the form of Japan. I talk 398 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: of course about our friend Steve Yates. So Steve Yates 399 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: is a senior research fellow for China and National Security 400 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 1: at the Heritage Foundation. All around good dude as well, 401 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: if I may say, so so, mister Yates, thank you'll 402 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: take it. Well, there's a pleasure to have you here 403 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: on the Josh Shammer Show. Steve, I wanted to talk 404 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: about Japan, Japan being this ally that I'm alluding to. 405 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: I am a lifelong Japano file I've been to Japan 406 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: numerous times, my wife and I am actually dying to 407 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: go back again, and I was really hardened to see 408 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: earlier this week there was an election in Tokyo, or 409 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: really throughout the country. I should say that broke pretty 410 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: heavily for the Conservative Party, that being the the Liberal 411 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: Demo Trattic Party the LDP. In the Japanese jargon of 412 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: the Iron Lady of Japan, as she's being called, this 413 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: is snay a Takaichi tell us about the importance of 414 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: this recent election in Japan, about the importance of this 415 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: woman's being called the Margaret Thatcher of Japan in general, 416 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: and how that pertains specifically to the American national interest 417 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: there in the Far East. 418 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 4: Well, Josh, I think it's good branding. It's branding that 419 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 4: I think Prime Minister Takaichi would like, and it definitely 420 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 4: is an accurate framing for the opportunity that she has 421 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 4: and that we have. And I think it's very, very 422 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 4: important that you focus on this because I think this 423 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 4: is a strategic change in the world that most Americans 424 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 4: wouldn't have seen coming and won't really have any feel 425 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 4: for why it really matters, and I think in a deep, 426 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 4: deep way it really does. Some Americans, maybe not all, 427 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 4: might remember that there was a prime minister of Japan 428 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 4: named Nakasone that worked very very closely with Ronald Reagan, 429 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 4: was a very important ally through the end of the 430 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 4: Cold War. Another prime minister at Koizumi, got a big 431 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: coalition and was a partner with George W. Bush through 432 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 4: some important times. And Shinzo Abe is probably the prime 433 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 4: minister that a lot more Americans have heard of because 434 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 4: he had a close relationship with Donald Trump and did 435 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 4: some important things, but also sadly because he was assassinated 436 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 4: and that made news and people paid some attention. Prime 437 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: Minister Takaichi just received a mandate that far exceeds all 438 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 4: of those historic Japanese leaders by far, the largest coalition 439 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 4: number of seats in the Japanese diet in the post 440 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 4: World War two era. So she has an unprecedented opportunity 441 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 4: to put her fingerprints on policy foreign and domestic, and 442 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 4: unlike a lot of people in the Liberal Democratic Party 443 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: in Japan, she really is a conservative. The Liberal Democratic 444 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 4: Party in Japan is kind of what some people would 445 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: call the establishment. I think it was a more center 446 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: right leaning establishment, perhaps, but it was not full on conservative. 447 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 3: Takaichi plays with. 448 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 4: Some real conservative ideas like borders matter, and she'll take 449 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 4: a hard line on immigration issues. She has had a 450 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 4: clear sense of not being pushed around by China. Some 451 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 4: people call that provocative if you're right for the New 452 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 4: York Times and could have commentary on CNN, she is 453 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 4: provoking a fight with China, when really all she's saying 454 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 4: is we're Japan, We're a normal nation. I intend to 455 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 4: finish that project that shinzo Abe began, and I intend 456 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 4: to stand up for what rightly is the real powerful 457 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 4: economy in the world that's a responsible stakeholder. So I 458 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 4: think all of those are building blocks for a great foundation. 459 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 4: She happens to be a drummer and has a little 460 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: pizaz personality wise, which people don't expect from Japanese leaders necessarily, 461 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 4: and so you sort of pocket together a little Margaret Thatcher, 462 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 4: a little maloney and get a little Japanese Withsabe on 463 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 4: top of it, and you've got them Takichi. 464 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: I love that. 465 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: Falsety Gates on x at Steve Yates, Steve, I want, 466 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: I want your opinion on this, which is Shinzo Abe 467 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: who you mentioned there. I love Americans, do know him. 468 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: As you say, he was very close with Donald Trump 469 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: and then tragic assass day he began, it seems taking 470 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: baby steps towards the incipient remilitarization of Japan. I emphasize 471 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: incipient because it's very much still I think in its 472 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: nascent stages. Japan is a country having been there personally 473 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: everyone I think who's right back and also vouch for this. 474 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: They still live, to no small extent, is something of 475 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: a state of shell shock from how worlds were to 476 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: end it. It genuinely affects the national psyche to this 477 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: day and the country has really up until really the 478 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: Obvia administration resisted greater attempts at remilitarization. But seems like 479 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: Takaichi is trying, as you say, to to finish that job. 480 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: What does that actually mean, what does that actually look like? 481 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: And how do you assess the chances of that happen. 482 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: Well, there are a few pieces of that. 483 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 4: I frame it more in the what I think abbe 484 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 4: referred to as the normal nation project, where Japan shouldn't 485 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 4: be treated forever as a totalitarian dictatorship that was an 486 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 4: aggressor in World War Two. But all these decades after democratization, 487 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 4: profound changes have taken place in Japan and they are 488 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 4: a peaceful, good neighbor, true responsible stakeholder in the international system, 489 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 4: and so. 490 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 3: They have the right to defend themselves. 491 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 4: Now people might not have followed that they have a 492 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 4: constitution that we imposed upon them within our rights after 493 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 4: World War Two, but they look and part of that 494 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 4: was that they shouldn't have a military that would go 495 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 4: on offense and threaten other countries again the way it 496 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 4: did in World War two build up and during the war, 497 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 4: and so they just had a self defense force. And 498 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 4: so instead of having what we would wreckcognized as a 499 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 4: normal navy, they had a very active and capable coast guard. 500 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 4: But they now have all of these capabilities with different 501 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 4: names in certain certain senses, but they really have what 502 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 4: are impressive capabilities that a normal modern nation should have, 503 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 4: and they have every right to invest in and have 504 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: more of these independent capabilities. So they're seeking to not 505 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 4: be a junior partner to the United States, which is 506 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 4: coincident with the timing for a Trump administration that is 507 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 4: looking for partners, not junior partners. 508 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: And so in a way, this is a perfectly respectable 509 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: time to reset those terms of trade. And so Abe 510 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: faced political headwinds. You sent some of the cultural parts 511 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 3: of that. 512 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: And there's a political part of that too that was 513 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 4: go slow and we aren't ready to do some of 514 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 4: these things. And of course China plays political warfare all 515 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 4: the time about this, and to a degree, our allies 516 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 4: in South Korea like to remind Japan that it was 517 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 4: a bad actor during World War Two. But I, for one, 518 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 4: my grandfather fought in World War Two. He was traumatized 519 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 4: the entire rest of his life from that experience. I 520 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 4: take nothing away from what that was. But I think 521 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 4: that Japan of the twenty twenties is not Japan of 522 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 4: the nineteen forties, and China of the twenty twenties is 523 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 4: not China of the nineteen eighties. 524 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 3: And we've got to take both of these realities seriously. 525 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't not agree with that more. I've stood over 526 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: the sunken USS Arizona Pearl Harbor. You smell the oil 527 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: seeking out all these decades there. It's a very surreal 528 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: sensory experience. But like U, Steve, I'm very much a 529 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: realist in Japan is a very different country than it 530 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: was a couple of generations ago. Steve just called Coleman 531 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: in his last year before I let you go, I 532 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: would love your thoughts on Jimmy Live. Jimmy Lai has 533 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: been at the forefront of the anti Chinese Communist Party 534 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: protests that have galvanized much of the Hong Kong populace 535 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: for the past couple years. He's just been sentenced to 536 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: essentially a life sentence given how old he is. His 537 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: daughter Claire, is now appealing to the international community for 538 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: some sort of harsh diplomatic action. What does this say 539 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: about the states of the CCP's takeover of Hong Kong. 540 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: I was in Hong Kong in twenty sixteen. Franklin kind 541 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: of scared to go back. I feel like I would 542 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: really recognize the place. Is Hong Kong still part of 543 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: the broader free world or was it totally usurved by 544 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: the CCP at this point? 545 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 4: I think it's more the latter. And you know, I 546 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 4: also don't go back to Hong Kong anymore. I have 547 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 4: known Jimmy Lai since the nineteen nineties, which is after 548 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 4: the time he gave up the first fortune he made 549 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 4: with his Giordano clothing brand, and because of his support 550 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 4: for the students in Tianamen Square, he was forced by 551 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 4: his board to separate from that brand, and he did 552 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 4: it because he loved his fellow countrymen, and he respected 553 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 4: the need to work by the people and the factories, 554 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 4: and so he left that brand and he started his 555 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 4: media company from scratch. 556 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: The only person I've ever. 557 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 4: Known to build a billion dollar enterprise in two different 558 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 4: industries as a unique person. 559 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: But he also converted to Tholicism, was a had his 560 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 3: own faith. 561 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 4: Journey, and I you know, I have just found him 562 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 4: to be one of the most moving human beings I've 563 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 4: ever encountered in my life, and I've I've been blessed 564 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 4: to meet a lot of interesting people. 565 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: I think he is the Canarian the coal mine. 566 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 4: If you don't have a universal and clear voice from 567 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 4: the Catholic Church for one of its most famous converts 568 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 4: in the entire world, you don't have a John Paul 569 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 4: the Second moment, the way we did in. 570 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: The Cold War, speaking up for solidarity. 571 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 4: And I think with the CCP having this trial go 572 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 4: on national security grounds, I think just ends the idea 573 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 4: that you can have freedom under the PRC on anything 574 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 4: close to the terms the rest of the world would 575 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 4: consider normal. So there are plenty of people who live 576 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 4: in Hong Kong who feel unaffected and their free to 577 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 4: voice their opinion. 578 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: But for the South China Morning Posts. 579 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: Certainly to celebrate training in a very very discussing training 580 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: in a very bad direction. It's unfortunately Unicultacolo day Boradi Steviates, 581 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: folks followed him on x Asdviates stayed about us with 582 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: the break, folks, we'll be right back with much more 583 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: on the other side. Welcome back. So lots happening, certainly 584 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: on the world stage. We're talking earlier in the show 585 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: about nets Yahu visiting Donald Trump today, a shorter period 586 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: between his last trip and this one than you might. 587 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: E's bet there have given the urgency of the Iron discussions. 588 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: We will see what happens as a result of that. 589 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: We're just chatting with Stephen Yates when it comes to 590 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: the exciting new conservative majority in Japan, Japan's use as 591 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: an ally when it comes to containing Chinese commists, party 592 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: hegemony and the Indo Pacific threat. More generally, of course, 593 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: the big foreign policy issue that has been working in 594 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: the background, gosh for the past four years now, can 595 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: you believe it is this war that simply will not end? 596 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: This war in Eastern Europe between Russia and Ukraine, a deeply, 597 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: deeply intractable conflict. I would love to be the bearer 598 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: of good news and say that there are some green shoes, 599 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: that there are some signs of optimism and hope when 600 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 1: it comes to trying to wind down this horrific Internet 601 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: sline Slovik conflict, But I simply do not see it happening. 602 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: I very much hope I'm wrong, but frankly, there's really 603 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: nothing particularly encouraging that I'm seeing. In fact, the headlines 604 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: are actually really the opposite. The headlines that I'm seeing 605 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: are just really really really frustrating and painful stuff when 606 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: it comes to more missiles, more drones, more innocent people killed. 607 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: But we have to talk about the home front as well, 608 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: and there's never restored things happening on the home front. 609 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: There's still the broader immigration controversy, don Trump having a 610 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: string of victories in federal courts when it comes to 611 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: his immigration and force and agenda. As covered towards the 612 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: end of yesterday's show, there's been something of a tailing 613 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: off of the state of Minnesota in the news and 614 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: this back and forth between Tom Holman and Christy Nome 615 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: and the federal immigration enforcement apparatus on the one hand 616 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: versus the Minnesota Democratic leadership led by Jacob Fry, Keith 617 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: Ellis and Tim Walls on the other hand. That's very 618 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: much still in the background. But the number one issue 619 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: that most people seem to be focused on at this time, 620 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: and rightfully so as we are now in an election 621 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: year is the economy. And there was actually a brand 622 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: new jobs number that really took the news cycle by 623 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: storm earlier today. So it was reported earlier to say 624 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: that the US economy added one hundred and thirty thousand 625 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: jobs in January. This is its strongest month of a 626 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: month growth in the JABS market in over and over 627 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: a year, so previously, the previous number for the last 628 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: month in December December twenty twenty five was forty eight 629 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: thousand In a polling of analysts and economists that was 630 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: pulled by the Wall Street Journal. The consensus for the 631 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: January number was actually only fifty five thousand jobs. So 632 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: they literally more than doubled, more than doubled the projected 633 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: number of jobs, which is really really, really quite good 634 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: unemployment taking down to four point three percent. Recall also 635 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: that the most recent quarterly GDP number was a very healthy, 636 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: very robust four point four percent. That's really quite solid, 637 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: actually really quite growth. All sorts of other indications as well, 638 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: actually that the economy is not nearly as dire as 639 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: the affordability hoax induced corporate media would have you believe. 640 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: And I say hoax deliberately, by the way, I'm not 641 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: saying I don't want to sound callous. Okay, there absolutely 642 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of people that are telling polsters, that 643 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: are telling people out there and they're having a hard 644 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: time affording what they need to afford for their households. 645 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,959 Speaker 1: That absolutely is a thing. Now, there was a poll 646 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: in early December, for instance, a man. This poll, it 647 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: was came out from a group called arg American Research Group. 648 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: And this poll from American Research Group basically said, in 649 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: this kind of classic dichotomists. Are you better off are 650 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: you worse off than a year ago? 651 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:47,959 Speaker 2: Question? 652 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: When it comes to your personal and you and your 653 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: home finances. The poll said that roughly sixty five percent 654 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: of Americans said they were worse off than a year ago, 655 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: and seven percent said they were better off off, and 656 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: then quite a few said that they were neither better 657 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: nor worse. That's not good, but some things have changed 658 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: since then. It was after that that we got the 659 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: four point four percent quarterly GDP growth number. That's really 660 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: quite good. Now we have some of the strongest month 661 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: over month growth in the jobs market in over a year. 662 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: One d one hundred and thirty thousand jobs in January 663 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Moreover, recent polling from Gallup shows that 664 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: Americans expect both the stock market and the economy to 665 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: improve over the next six months. So that poll I 666 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: just sided in December was a retrospective poll. It was 667 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: looking back, are you better off? 668 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: Worse off? 669 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: Now we're talking about a new poll from Gallup that 670 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: is a prospective poll. It's talking about will will you 671 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: be better off a wars off a year from now? 672 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 3: What do you think? 673 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: What is your projection? How do you think this is 674 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: going to go and long story short, more Americans are 675 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: positive than negative about the stock market over the next 676 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: six months by a two to one margin. Fifty percent 677 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: of Americans per Gallop say they expect the stock market 678 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: to go up. It's already at record highs. That way, 679 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: the Dows past fifty thousand, the first time in the 680 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: history of Dow Jones. So figur percent of Americans say 681 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: they expect the stock market to go up over the 682 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 1: next six months. Only twenty five percent say they expect 683 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: it to go down. In terms of economic growth, forty 684 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: nine percent expects increase economic growth relative to the baselines 685 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: I'll be relative to four point four percent, so they 686 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: presummealy expected to go even higher, which is kind of 687 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: Gangbuster's territory. You know, four point five to five percent growth. 688 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: That's really really quite good. Thirty six percent per gallop 689 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: say they expect the economy to shrink to contract. As 690 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: far as interest rates, it's a little divided. Forty one 691 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: percent expects interest rate relief, thirst six percent say they 692 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: expect interest rates to get worse, and sixty two percent 693 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: predicts higher inflation. So there's some mix. State if you 694 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: if you get a little further down there more predicting 695 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: potentially higher inflation, which leads me to believe that this 696 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: affordability messaging that the media is delivering is definitely having 697 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: something of at least a psychological effect on the Now. 698 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: If you actually look at a month over month inflation 699 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: per the CPI, per the BLS and the various goverment 700 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: agencies that track this stuff, it is a little higher 701 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: than it should be. It's hovering around two point six 702 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: to two point seven percent. It's not really gone any 703 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: lower than that since his administration got started about thirteen 704 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: months ago or so. But that's actually not horrible. It 705 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: absolutely could be worse than that. Again, I'm not downplaying, 706 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: and inflation is the silent killer of economy, is going 707 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: back hundreds, perhaps thousands of years, so I'm not downplaying that. 708 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: But the Federal Reserve's target is two percent. We are 709 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: very very, very long way relieved or very long way 710 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: removed that, I should say, from the nine point one 711 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: percent catastrophic high in the month of a month CPI 712 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: metric that characterized the by administration in the summer of 713 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. It's been very very far since then. 714 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 1: Now Donald Trump's domestic policy teams. Some of his White 715 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: House Economic advisors apparently have recently been downplaying the possibility 716 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: of passing a second reconciliation bill of a reconciliation bill 717 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: this year, so to kind of just do some some 718 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: some senate parliamentary procedure wankery for a second here, reconciliation 719 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 1: is you you typically only have one by at the apple. 720 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: There are some potential workarounds to get a second by 721 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: at the apple there. It's basically a way of getting 722 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: around the filibuster. There's been this whole other debate in 723 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: the background as the as the Safe Act voter i 724 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: D discussion has come back to the forefrom has been 725 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: this whole separate debate about whether center Republicans should go 726 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: ahead and actually gut the legislative philbuster. Consider count me 727 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: as being a skeptic of doing that. But I don't 728 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: think it necessarily would be the worst thing in the 729 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: world if it was done artfully. But again I'm overall 730 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: skeptical of the of the idea. But if the President 731 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: is now saying to not get your hopes up for 732 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: a reconciliation bill later this year, I guess that raises 733 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: the obvious follow up question, mister President, which is, at 734 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: this point, yes, Americans are telling gallupholsters and others that 735 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: they expect the stock market, the commune to go up. 736 00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 4: There. 737 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: They're overall starting feel a little better than they were 738 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: as recently as two three months ago. So job well done, 739 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: I mean, very much, job well done. Golf clap for 740 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: you when it comes to trying to get the message 741 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: out there, trying to boost the people's animal spirits, et 742 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: cetera out there. Very very good work. But why write 743 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: off the possibility of a new reconciliation bill? More to 744 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: the point, if it's not gonna be another reconciliation package, 745 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,959 Speaker 1: if there's not gonna be another way to get around 746 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: the Chuck Schumer filibuster, then what kind of legislation is 747 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: actually going to make it through the Senate? I mean, 748 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: all kind of impactful law can possibly survive a Chuck 749 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: Schumer philibuster, whether it's tax relief, whether it's healthcare reform. 750 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: That's been a tremendous area of focus for Houses and Republicans. 751 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: I've been teased by numerous House members my interviews over 752 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: the past few months that House Republicans are going to 753 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: come up with some big healthcare reform posal. I haven't 754 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: seen it yet. For what it's worth, I continue to 755 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: hold out hope that perhaps, just perhaps it'll be around 756 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: the corner there. But none of this is going to 757 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: happen unless there's a reconciliation bill. Again, unless you got 758 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: the filibuster, which is a whole nother candid worms. But again, 759 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: like many Conservatives, I am skeptical of gutting the filibuster 760 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: at this present time. So in the grand scheme of things, 761 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: it's not entirely obvious what has changed from that dower polling, 762 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: that more somber polling back in early December until now. 763 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: But clearly there's been at least something of a shift 764 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: in the American people sentiments and attitudes when it comes 765 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: to the economy in these two months, twich the White 766 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: House and Republicans should basically respond and say, let's keep 767 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: that momentum up. Okay, it's a long way till November. 768 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: It's a long way. Stay on points every single day 769 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: in the White House, every single day, in Congress, every 770 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,240 Speaker 1: single day, in the various Republican state capitals, in Tennessee 771 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: and in Texas, Florida, et cetera. What are you doing today, 772 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: day in, day out, to improve the prosperity, the livelihood, 773 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 1: the jobs prospects, the wages, and to reduce inflation, et cetera. 774 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: When it comes to American people, that's the question. Ask 775 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: that question day in and day out. Stay laser focus 776 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: on the economy, and frankly, Republicans actually could potentially potentially 777 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: be in for a pleasant surprise come November, or at 778 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: least of losses could be solved. Folks, hope you enjoyed 779 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: text episode of The Josh Hammer Show. Have a great evening. 780 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: We'll see you back here tomorrow.