WEBVTT - The draft "deal" and why it would be a disaster 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.760 Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College, All Things 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.280 Hillsdale at Hillsdale dot ed or I encourage you to 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.800 take advantage of the many free online courses there, and 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.119 of course I'll listen to the Hillsdale dialogues, all of 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.560 them at Hugh for Hillsdale dot com or just Google, Apple, 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:19.840 iTunes and Hillsdale Reas Amarica. I'm Hugh Hewett on this Wednesday. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.520 There's a lot going on. There's really one big story. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.239 The big story is let me read it to you. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.560 I Meet Segal posted this earlier on x A Meet 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:32.080 of course Channel twelve, leading political analyst in Israel, and 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:36.440 it's very wired in Israel. According to Barak revide I 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.000 Meet begins. The US in Iran are at the closest 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.000 point to agreement since the war began. The framework includes 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.000 point one, the US and Iranian naval blockade will be 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:53.000 gradually lifted during the detailed negotiation period. Red light, red light. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.200 Detailed negotiation period. You don't need a detailed negotiation period. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:59.760 They need to stop firing at chips and let the 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.440 ever everybody out in our blockades got to continue. Point 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.959 number two, the United States will commit in the memorandum 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.720 of understanding to graduately lift sanctions and release tens of 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:14.039 billions of dollars of frozen assets. Bad. That gives Donald 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:18.600 Trump the odor of Barack Obama. That's his palets of cash. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.400 The regime is on the brink of collapse. They can't 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:26.600 pay their thugs. Don't give them any money ever. Number Three, 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.319 negotiations are still under way on the duration of the 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.880 uranium enrichment free what the President told me on Monday 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:39.319 on this program, No enrichment, not now, not ever, never, 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.520 And they're maybe it'll be fifteen years, maybe it'll be 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.760 at least twelve. No, no enrichment. They don't need it. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.960 They're fanatics and lunatics, as Marco Ribio said yesterday, they're 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.560 insane in the head, as the President said on Monday, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.240 they're lunatics. As Marco Ribio said, they're lunatics. They don't 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.400 get to enrich period. Then two sources claim that Iran 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.040 would agree to transfer the highly enriched uranium it possesses 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.080 out of the country. Okay, that's fine, that'd be step 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:11.600 number one. Okay, Iran, you're serious. We got the blockhead going. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.800 We're going to send in a team from the International 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.959 Atomic Energy Agency. They're going to supervise the excavation of Fodor. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.600 They're going to take out whatever remains, and they're going 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.440 to ship it to the United States, much like we 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.000 did with Libya, much like we did with Ukraine, much 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.080 like we did with Kazakhstan, much like we did with 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.560 South Africa. We know how to do this. That's where 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.360 we start. We get your six hundred pounds or one 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.240 thousand pounds of hu. Even if it's dust, as it 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.720 probably is, you might be able to use that dust. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.520 It's a good faith measure. That's where we begin. Then 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:48.560 they say the United States is expected to get Iran's 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.239 response within forty eight hours. Now I don't know who 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.440 link this. I can't believe Steve Witkof for Jared Kushner 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.800 have their name on Munich two point zero. I can't 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.120 believe the president would agree to this. I really can't. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.760 It's time to go back to war with these people. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:07.560 They shot at the UAE yesterday, fifteen missiles, two cruise missiles, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.919 a bunch of drones. They're not serious, they're killers. They're 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.400 a lunatic. To Mehiti's in charge, it's a hunta time 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.200 to go back to war in a kinetic fashion until 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.359 they say, you know what, we can't win this. Meanwhile, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.600 I just want the president to know what's coming. Former 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.239 Secretary of Stain Anthony Blinkin was at the Economic Club 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:31.080 of New York. He's still defending the JZPOA today, cut 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:31.840 number seven. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.360 You know, this gets to something larger, which is we're 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.840 living in a time, in a period where that is 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.800 so binary, where it's impossible it seems for people to 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.840 hold multiple ideas in their heads at the same time. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.520 And so yes, from I think Steck to. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.400 The United States, in many countries in the region, around 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.400 the world and clear rent is not a good thing, 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.920 which is why administration after administration has looked at how do. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:54.480 We deal with this? 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.360 But the conclusions that previous administrations drew were different than 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.920 the ones that President Trump drew. When during the Obama administration, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.480 when we brought when we got the JCPOA, the around 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.880 nuclear deal, of course we looked at military options, but 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.200 we concluded then that if we exercised a military option one, 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.600 there could be all these second and third or consequences, 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.040 including straight orf Hord moves, including attacks on our forces 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.640 and our people, in the region, including attacks on our 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:24.120 partners in the region, and to what gain we assessed 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:24.640 back then. 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.760 It's been publicly reported that in all likelihood, if. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.760 We wanted the program, we might gain a couple of 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.120 years at best, that Iran would be rebuild and it 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.280 would rebuild deeper underground. It would be harder to get out, 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.279 and we'd be right back where we started. On the 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.200 other hand, doing the hard work of diplomacy getting a 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:46.120 deal bought us, in the case of the JCPOA, ten fifteen, 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.599 twenty years, depending on the different constraints. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.720 It bought you nothing with regards to missiles, remember that 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.599 it bought you nothing with the big guard to the 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.159 forest of missiles that they built around Fulldor. Got you 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.479 nothing about underground pickack from and Fodor. It bought you 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.359 nothing except lies and death and more terrorism around Israel. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.480 It was a complete and abject failure. Don't mister President 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.920 do what they did because it's already out there. Oh, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.920 he's just signing the JCPOA. Why do you tear it 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.320 up in the first place. Don't fall for that. Meanwhile, 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.800 we've got Richard Goldberg, who helps stand up the National 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.320 Energy Dominance Council. Now with the Foundation for the Defensive Democracy, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.080 talk about what is going on in Iran right now, 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:30.880 the reason we don't want to step in and save 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.200 them kind number eight. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:34.560 Listen, they're looking at the intel right. 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.560 We talked a little bit earlier you have in this 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.360 discussion about the fracture in the regime. President pezeshk In, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:44.000 who's sort of the political person who's managing the government, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.520 sees the money running out, doesn't know how he's going 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.320 to make payroll, is gasoline about to come to a shortage, 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.000 all of these things that he's dealing with, banks teetering on, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.080 the vergic collapse. And then Ahmud Vehidi, who's heading this 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:00.200 committee running the country based from the IRGC, who to 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.039 keep the war going. And so you know, the president 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.880 is seeing this food fight going on. Maybe he likes that. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.440 Maybe he thinks going back to major military operations coalesces 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.960 that committee instead of fracturing the committee. So I think 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.760 there is this ying and ying here. Now, what would 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.159 you do at the lowest level of escalation, I would 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.840 say the Rock Island, which is a little tiny island, 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.520 to go back to the map that sticks out right 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.880 there next to the Strait of Horn moves is where 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.520 the IRGC has run their quote unquote toll booth out 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.960 of It's where they have a coordination cell. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.400 I mean just take them out at that point. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.960 I mean, if they're firing, that's your moment to respond 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.720 with self defensive fire on key IRGC based as in 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.200 command of control. I'd start with the Rock Island to 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.000 see if you're able to send a message. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.479 They cannot last, all right, they cannot last. They don't 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.520 have any revenue. There are thugs are leaving, they've got 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.479 division within the regime. Maybe you push you a little 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.680 bit harder, like Richard Goldberg suggests, but you don't collapse. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.960 Chris Wright check Tery of Energy, made the key point 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.320 on Fox Business this morning, and Maria Barroomo cut number six. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.640 Yeah, Maria, I think what we saw and certainly what 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.480 the Iranians saw with Project Freedom is one way or 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.440 the other, the United States is going to have free flow. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:15.880 Of traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.040 It can be in an agreement with Iran, or it 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.600 can be without an agreement with Iran. And I think 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.080 the fear that the United States's military is going to 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.520 open the strait, whether Iran wants it or not made 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.960 them realize if that's true, we've gotten nothing. We have 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.000 no remaining leverage. Maybe we should get more reasonable and 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.000 get back to the table with the United States and 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.040 see what we can get out of this. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:42.320 We're going to have to give up. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:43.320 Our new core program. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.640 We're going to have to stop terrorizing the Middle East. Hey, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.280 maybe the ninety million people in Iran can find a 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.120 way to a better life. But the only leverage they 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.760 have has been impeding flow of traffic through the straits 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.680 of Hormuz, and Mike Worth is right. They've been successful 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.680 at that so far. But we can change that if 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.120 we need to do it unilaterally. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.560 He's right, we can, and we should. Secretary Wright is correct. 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.840 They've run out of money, they've run out of options, 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.480 they have no cards left to play. They're counting on 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:20.760 American left pressure on other than Trump to warn of 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.400 a wipeout at the elections in November because of gas prices. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.880 I think the argument you make to the American people is, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.440 I'm sorry about the pain at the pump. We've got 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.880 to bring this regime down because they're lunatics and they 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.720 cannot have nuclear weapon. One more cut. Marco Rubio at 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.920 the White House left turn yesterday cut number eleven. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.960 Everyone has shown that it's been able to withstand a 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.640 lot of pressure, and yesterday President Trump has said that 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.240 they may run out of oil storage in two weeks. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.360 Do you believe that that will be the thing that 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.800 gets them to the table to give up their nuclear ambitions? 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.520 And if not, what will be that thing? 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.800 Well, look, they're suffering devastating damage to their economy, you're right, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.599 But it's not that they're able to withstand pressures that 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.040 they don't care that their people are suffering. You understand, right, 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.960 there's a difference between we can understand pressure and we 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.280 actually don't care. Now, I think there are people in 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.040 their system that care more than others. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:10.600 You know, some of the elected. 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:11.920 People that you see, some of the people you see 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.559 on television with the suits on. You know, those guys 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:15.960 care because they know, at the end of the day 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.600 they have to live in the reality. And then you 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.559 have an other element of their government, the clerical, the clerics, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.280 the IERGC types, who probably are more immune to that 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.200 and care less. They're more interested in regime survivor at 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.440 all costs. But ultimately, the pressure points are what they are. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.560 They add now that they were before, because the administration 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.480 has said that the Iranian regime is divided, making it 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:36.240 very challenging. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.720 Well, it's been challenging to deal with them diplomatically because, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.400 for example, an offer will be made and then it 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.760 takes five or six days to get a response because 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.040 you have to get it through their whole system. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.199 They have to find the supreme leader wherever he hides. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:47.200 They got to get. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.600 Him to sign off, and their system has always been 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.400 multi layered in this way. It's obviously become more complex 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.040 because of the damage they suffered during the war. But 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.160 look suffice that to say Iran has to pay a price. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:58.960 They're not going to change their position out of the 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.520 kindness of their heart. There has to be a pressure 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.839 point on them that causes them to realize they cannot 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.800 continue to close the straits or they face crushing economic consequences. 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:13.680 But also you know global diplomatic isolation, which they have 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.199 proven in the past to be susceptible to. But you're right, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.719 they have a high pain threshold, but they don't have 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:18.960 an unlimited pain threshold. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:19.400 Nobody does. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.760 Nobody does. The lunatics on in charge of your own 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.720 right now they have the highest pain threshold. Maybe you 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.520 want to kill them, Maybe you want to kill the eighty. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:37.040 I think Harmoni two point zero is already dead. But 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.319 maybe you want to kill the rest of the Linta, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.199 but you don't do a deal with them. I'll be 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.359 right back when Noah, author of the forthcoming Blood and Progress, 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.959 don't go anywhere. Norah Rothman his neck on the u 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:49.760 U at chet. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:56.400 With a body gout in silver pain, every heaven place, detail, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.880 whatever he wanted you, and he laid it out the 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.760 waste it is by gods and said the game with 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.800 no match for the jagab. 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.600 Welcome back America. That is a course Dylan from Blood 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.439 on the Tracks. I use that now as Noah Rothman's 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.480 intro music because his new book, Blood and Progress comes 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.480 out soon. You should pre order it now. I just 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.000 posted the link on my ex account. Noah, welcome back 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.520 from your European tour. Was that a tour in advance 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.600 of the publication of Blood in Progress? 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.640 It was neither a tour nor European. I took a 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.760 week with my wife in Jamaica in advance of what 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.600 I hope will be a very busy book. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.880 Tour, and I thank you for contributing to that. We 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:37.920 will make possible here. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.199 We are going to try and make that a number 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.800 one on the New York Times. In order to get 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.480 it going. You got some unfortunate help when you were 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.480 away at the White House Correspondence Association, when you had 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.920 another leftist with a gun tried to change American history. 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.880 This is becoming a movie that repeats all too often. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:59.560 Noah, yeah, no joke. And it's pretty ghost to promote 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.960 my book about this phenomenon on the back of what 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.520 could have been epocal violence. But it's nevertheless the fact 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.320 that we are surrounded by incidents that confirm the thesis 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:08.960 of this book. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.120 And it's equally. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.199 Interesting to hear people pivot directly after an incident after 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.480 incident of left wing violence to the preternaturally violent right 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.400 and a threat posed to it. This book addresses that, 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.520 but also that particular shooter was fascinating because of the 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:25.520 banality of. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.920 The things that he believed in, just the kind. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:32.120 Of stuff that passes for casual political discourse on forums 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.600 like Blue Sky, to the extent that CBS's Norah O'Donnell 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.840 confronted the president with this guy's ramblings, which should have 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.319 been discredited by his actions, but the degree to which 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:47.240 mainstream reporters, democratic activists, even democratic politicians marinate in this stuff. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.680 False notions about the President being a pedophile, a rapist, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:53.800 a traitor to the United States, this is all just 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.920 common fair in left wing discourse, and it's radicalizing, and 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.000 it's the sort of thing that democrats and and progressives 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.120 need to be aware of because impressionable minds, distorted minds 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.280 are taking action on the things that they're saying you 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:09.120 need to act on. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.600 Yeah, can we pause on that for a moment. I 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.160 asked the President about Nora O'Donnell on Monday, because I 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.880 would have gotten up in the left if someone repeated 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.560 a libel about me, And he said, well, that would 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.760 have drawn more attention to what do you think about 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:28.000 her reading that that was premeditated? She and her producers 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.920 worked through whatever his response might be. I've done enough 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.800 network debates. I know how they do this stuff that 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.120 doesn't that doesn't happen accidentally. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:38.520 I honestly don't know. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:43.120 But I would posit the theory that the notion that 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.959 the president was convicted of something akin to criminal sexual 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.160 assault in the Eging Caroll case that the Russia probe 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.360 was more ambiguous than we are led to believe, and 0:13:54.400 --> 0:14:00.600 that the president has unswortid affairs relating to Jeffrey Epstein 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.160 on Jeffrey Epstein's Island. These are the sort of things 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.320 that are factually deficient. You cannot prove them in a 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:10.600 court of law, but they are beyond dispute in liberal discourse. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.640 And if you spend a lot of time in liberal discourse, 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.439 as I'm sure CBS News producers, consumers, and even Nora 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.360 Donald herself, does you think this is pretty banw Indeed, 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.640 you probably think that the president should answer for it. 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.760 And yet it's the sort of thing that animates killers 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.080 would be killers to who believe themselves to be the 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.600 instruments of history to go out and execute directives they 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:37.200 think are being are imperatives and moral and ethical imperatives. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.000 You keep score. I've read the PDF of Blood in 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.560 Progress when it was in Galley's, but I don't remember 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.600 if you kept score to the level of the attempts 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.960 to kill presidents going all the way back to Truman 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.200 and the Puerto Ricans outside of Blairhouse? Are they from 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.080 the left always? Some can be mad like Hinckley and 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.800 your colleague Charles C. W. Cook says there are people 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.040 or just lunatach, there are political violence, and there's just 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.800 some that's violence. And what category do the attempts to 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.440 kill the president usually fall. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.480 Well, one thing I don't do is break everything down 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.360 into statistics and numbers, because they are deliberately misleading in 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.560 a lot of ways. The first chapter is I think 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.160 you might remember, goes into the many databases that attempt 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.520 to identify where these things fall and create some sort 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.160 of a numerical, quantifiable system around them. And I tell 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.480 these stories in terms of the human beings around them, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.080 because they're all subject to some sort of disordered thinking 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.480 first of all. Second of all, those who engage in this. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.040 As one document that was presented to the Department of 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.600 Homeland Security in twenty twenty ten twenty twenty one, I'm sorry, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:46.000 made clear that there are intimidation campaigns against individuals who 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.440 engage in the study of left wing extremism. Indeed, some 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.120 of the authors of the studies of left wing extremism 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.160 are participants in those movements themselves. According to this document 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.760 that was within the Hope Department of Homeland Security and 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.960 the databases themselves are shot through with shoddy research and 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.520 a lot of assumptions that inform the conclusions. So I 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.640 don't do any of that, not to say that it's 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.600 not valuable, but it just gives you an incomplete picture. 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.720 And I know this because I was doing statistical analysis 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.080 for CSIS in two thousand and five, trying to categorize 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:18.200 Islamist attacks in a database, and statistically it's helpful, but 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.280 it also obscures more than it clarifies, because you're reducing 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.920 very complex events to a series of numerical codes. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:25.440 And I just don't do the job that you need 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.400 to do. That's mass shootings stories in isolation. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.720 When you read something about mass shootings, it's never any 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.960 use to you because it includes drive by shootings over 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.640 drugs with Columbine. And it makes me crazy because the 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.000 databases they're wrong. Okay, I'm going to jump on subject. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.200 I don't know if you heard my monologue. I'm very 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.800 exercised about this proposed one page deal. Have you read 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.640 about it? What do you think about it? Yeah? 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.480 Me too, and I share your apprehension. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.560 For the very first time in this war, I am 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.600 concerned that the president's going weak in the knees. A 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.440 lot of people have been anticipating that he was going 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.040 to wiggle out of this war at the nearest possible opportunity, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.560 and they have not yet realized. I think it's underrecognized 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.720 the degree to which he has been committed to his 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.000 stated objectives from the outset. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:11.960 But yesterday was super weird, Hugh. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:18.280 The entire administration was trotted out to outline, roll out, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.639 ingranular detail, Project Freedom, the necessity behind it, the strategic 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.680 and tactical imperatives that were informing it, and the moral 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.920 and ethical necessity of seeing it through. Marco Rubio when 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.119 he was on that podium, framed this operation as a 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.720 humanitarian necessity. This is a criminal enterprise that's holding twenty 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.879 three South thousand mariners hostage. They need to be rescued, 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:39.960 and we are the only navy on the planet Earth 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.560 capable of doing that. And then a bunch of hours 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.679 later the president backs off. And this comes at a 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.120 time when the Iranian regime and there are some interesting 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.760 reports around how the IRGC field commanders and IRGC commanders 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.960 have gone a little bit rogue here when they were 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.720 attacking ships, attacking that South Korean ships, shooting missiles, drones 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:58.840 and other assets at. 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:03.000 The Oman and ua E and that this was against. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.560 What the political class like Perizeshkin want and that's the 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.440 sort of thing we should be cultivating. But they shot 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.320 at our partners in the Gulf States. And what was 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:14.040 our response to roll back this military operation to forcefully 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:14.760 reopen the strait? 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:15.440 No no, no, no. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.600 Tran whatever's left of it seees that is weakness, and 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.240 then we'll see that as as leverage that they can exploit, exploit. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.800 I spoke to him at length. I had a half 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.080 hour with the president on Monday. He was very firm. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.480 I mean he was no enrichment, not now, not ever. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.200 Never we get it all back, they're going to be 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.600 out of money. But they can't support the terrorists. And 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.800 there's a fourth one missile missiles have got to be 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.159 They got to have some missiles because of their neighborhood, 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:44.720 but they can't have too many. And we get to 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.840 inspect pretty pretty dependentative. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.159 And he hasn't really budged off any of that. I mean, 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.399 there was one weird twenty four hour period where he 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.240 was talking about a twenty year moratorium, but that came 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.080 and went, and otherwise what we're hearing are from unnamed 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.920 sources deep within the administration, have reporters like Barack Revied's ear. 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.520 So I'm skeptical, but the administration's actions have made me 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.000 skeptical of the president too. Here for the very first time, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.480 and I do see the I mean, I understand what 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.439 he's saying. We need to have this handover of this 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.399 ahu the highly enriched uranium. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:16.399 But what do they do with that? 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.680 It's inaccessible and they lack facilities to enrich. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:20.200 And or refine them. 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.480 What we can't have is an Ranian regime that voluntarily 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.359 generously gives us the straight up wore moves back that 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.640 will all but guarantee China will shut down the straight 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.760 of and do this better than the Iranians if this 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:32.720 has to be done by force. 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.040 I didn't even top And Joe, if you have more time, 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:36.880 I'll keep you for a second segment because I think 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.000 Israel ow to get involved here. But if you don't, 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.960 don't worry about it. Plug in progress. It's coming out soon. 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.200 Go and Pley order it right now. I'm too feel it. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.920 Now there's a wall between us, something. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:48.000 That's been lost. 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:49.760