1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Danielle Gill. Welcome to The Danielle Gill Show. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,159 Speaker 1: Today we are going to dive into the topic of feminism. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: We're going to talk all about the evils of feminism 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: and we're going to peel back some layers into what's 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: contributed to it. We're going to have Denesh on the show. 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: He's going to offer his insight and historical perspective and 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: analysis on this issue. Stay with us, This is the 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Danielle Gill Show. Ever since the last presidential election, the 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: cultural right has been heaving a collective cygh of relief. 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: Not only did Donald Trump win, but he's been fighting 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: toxic DEI and FAE diversity programs both in government and 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: in corporate America since day one. His victory and subsequent 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: actions have signaled a major shift in our cultural landscape. 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: It's no longer taboo to defend authentic biological gender or 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: to advocate against diversity based quotas and work in schools, 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: for example. There were also a number of positive signs 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: last year signaling that the death grip woke ideology had 18 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: on our culture was loosening. One of the biggest indicators 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: was the purchase of major gaming companies by Saudi investors. 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: Many hope that the change in ownership would mean the 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: end of games jam packed with more genders than polygons, 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: and story arcs where the only white heterosexual men were 23 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: cast as terrorists and villains. Another positive sign was the 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: memory holding of the Savant and Apple TV series based 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: on the adventures of a bespectacled Jessica Chastain. The main character, 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: Jody Goodwin, is a suburban housewife and mother who is 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: also a secret agent infiltrating right wing social media in 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: order to hunt down violent extremists and prevent the next 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: big mass shooting. Wow, as if those weren't typically done 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: by transgender people. The show was thinly veiled wish fulfillment 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: for Whinie Karen's still stewing over their resentment over Trump's 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: election victory. Needless to say, the blank and unfeeling look 33 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: of Chastain staring mindlessly at computer screens as she puzzles 34 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: out right wing culture became a meme overnight. Eventually, someone 35 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: with a shred of self respected Apple TV decided the 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: show shouldn't air at all. In many respects, it seems 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: that our country had really turned a corner. But then 38 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: along came Star Trek Academy, a show that features a 39 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: cross dressing kling, gone chubby star Fleet cadet, and a 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: hologram with learning deficiencies, all being guided through the academy 41 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: by aged crones. It's the future, and finally, women run 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: everything like. 43 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: They're supposed to. 44 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: Apparently, if this show had come out last year, we 45 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: could have dismissed it as the result of four timing. 46 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: Perhaps it had just already progressed too far along a 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: production pipeline to be mixed. We could have said that 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: this is the last of the Wolk nonsense being flushed 49 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: out of the system. The Star Trek Academy began production 50 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: in August twenty twenty four, mere months before the rise 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: of Trump two point zero. They had plenty of time 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: to read the room and pivot hard from their concept 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: of glee and space to something that wouldn't make Star 54 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: Trek fans throw their TVs into the trash and embrace 55 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: the men in my lifestyle. In addition to other entertainment 56 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: news about unnecessary race swamps for Helen of Troy and 57 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: Joan of Arc, it actually appears that woke isn't going 58 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: anywhere in fact woke is back became something of a 59 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: rallying cry and response to a recent spate of Democrat 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: electoral victories. Of course, there was Zoron Mamdani winning the 61 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: mayoral election in New York City. I have the Al 62 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Spamberger winning the governtionership in Virginia, James tall Rico winning 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: the Democrat nomination for Senate Texas. But how can this 64 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: really be true? Being woke maybe a lifestyle choice, but 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: in terms of business, it is poisonous to the bottom line. 66 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: Hollywood is doing worse than it's ever done. In twenty 67 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: twenty five, the number of shoots that fell by twenty percent, 68 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: and forty two thousand jobs have been lost over the 69 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: past two years, and a man manga, both Japanese products 70 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: that avoid woke, have been eating Hollywood's lunch Whole. Studios 71 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: are disappearing under the devastation that is woke production values, 72 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: Yet the actors are still bang at the moon with 73 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: their anti ice virtue signaling pins of lunatic takes on politics. 74 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: You'd think they would have learned from releasing Me What 75 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: was it the Tom Cruise Maverick movie to see that, Hey, 76 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: this is the kind of stuff that people want to see. 77 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: People just want to see good movies. They want to 78 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: see a resurgence of patriotism. They're not interested in these 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: strange woke plots. Entertainers are supposed to be good at 80 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: understanding what people want, yet they consistently demonstrate a level 81 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: of cluelessness so profound it makes inspector Clusa look like 82 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes. By every conceivable metric, wok was a failure, 83 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: Go woke, go broke, Yet there appear to be people 84 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: bent on pushing it despite the fact that it has 85 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: been widely rebuked. Well, what's going on? Well? According to 86 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: the X article The Broken Contract by Atlas Press, this 87 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: is institutional wokeness is a demographic rather than ideological. The 88 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: article refers to researcher and writer Helen Andrews idea that 89 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: there is a connection between the rise of wokeness and 90 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: the feminization of institutions. The article states, Helen Andrews, writing 91 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: in Compact magazine, put forward a thesis that explains a 92 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: huge amount of what people lazily call wokeness. Everything you 93 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: think of as wok culture is an epiphenomenon of demographic feminization, 94 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: not an ideology. Or a conspiracy, a predictable consequence of 95 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: what happens when institutions tip from majority male to majority female. 96 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: Andrews believes that wokeness isn't part of any game plan 97 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: as much as it is the natural outcome of women 98 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: taking over our institutions, such as universities, where women now 99 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: get the majority of degrees in psychology, law, and medicine. 100 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: Everything you think of as wokeness, she says, involves prioritizing 101 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: feminine overmass in workspaces. She describes the differences between the sexes, saying, 102 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: quote female group dynamics favor consensus and cooperation. Men order 103 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: each other around, but women can only suggest and persuade. 104 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: Any criticism or negative sentiment if it is absolutely must 105 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: be expressed, needs to be buried in layers of compliments. 106 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: The outcome of the discussion is less important than the 107 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: fact that the discussion was held and everyone participated in it. 108 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: Most important sex difference in group dynamics is attitude to conflict. 109 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: In short, men wage conflict openly, while women covertly undermine 110 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: or ostracize their enemies. End quote. Wow, isn't that true? 111 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: I mean they have a very different way of communicating. 112 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: If you even go to a women's Bible study. It's 113 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: very different than men who meet up in a group. 114 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: I think women like to talk more about their feelings. 115 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: Men like to have experiences together, do things together. As 116 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: she was saying, the consensus building is different. You know, 117 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: women you have to ask everyone nicely to share, and 118 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: men can just say what they're thinking. Andrews explains that 119 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: generally speaking, differences arise because men and women have different strengths. 120 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Men tend to be better at compartmentalizing than women, and 121 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: wokeness was in many ways a society wide failure to compartmentalize. Traditionally, 122 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: an an individual doctor might have opinions on the political 123 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: issues of the day, but he would regard it as 124 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: his professional duty to focus on his work late namely 125 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: being a doctor, keeping that out of the examination room. 126 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: But now that medicine has become more ideological, it's become 127 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: more feminized. Doctors were pins and lanyards expressing their viewpoints. 128 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: They have to ask someone, you know, what their gender is, 129 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: and so they even bring this wokeness into these professional spaces. 130 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: And as we see doctors, you know, I've said all 131 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: kinds of things about politics, and I think if you're 132 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: a doctor who's found situation a lot of the time, 133 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: you you know, even some of them are forced. They 134 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 1: feel weird about the whole gender stuff because they actually 135 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: don't want to ask people things like that, or act 136 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: as though if someone says they're a different gender and 137 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: they know they're not, they don't want to prop that up. 138 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of intuitive, but when you favor consensus over cooperation, 139 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: what you end up with is intolerance. We must all 140 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: get along, we must all agree. Therefore, if you don't 141 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: affirm this person, you're a bad person. Then the purity 142 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: spirals start and you get things like a woman be 143 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: kicked out of a gay rights event because her hair 144 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: is too many braids and she's not black. This has 145 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: led to the surprisingly crazy discovery that men are actually 146 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: more tolerant of people who disagree with them than women. 147 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: And I think this is because men can view it 148 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: as Okay, this is your viewpoint. This doesn't have to 149 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: mean that you can't talk to this person as a person. 150 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: Feminists dismiss these gender differences. They dismiss these just very 151 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: clear to diferences and the way men and women operate. 152 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: They dismissed the radical feminization of institutions. Women were finally 153 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: allowed to compete on a playing field with men, to 154 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: their chagrin, and they have discovered that it is a 155 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: man's world. Andrew says, this isn't the case. 156 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: Quote. 157 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: Feminization is not an organic result of women out competing men. 158 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: It is an artificial result of social engineering. And if 159 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: we take our thumb off the scale, it will collapse 160 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: within a generation. Wouldn't that'd be amazing. Most obvious thumb 161 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: on the scale is antidiscrimination law. It is illegal to 162 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: employ too few women at your company. If women are underrepresented, 163 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: especially in your higher management, this is a lawsuit waiting 164 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: to happen. As a result, employers give women jobs and 165 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: promotions they would not otherwise have gotten, simply in order 166 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: to keep their numbers up. Andrews knows that the consequences 167 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: for failing to get the number of women in leadership 168 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: can be dire. Oh wow, isn't that frustrating. So You'll 169 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: be at a company, a really big company, and a 170 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: lot of these men are doing really well. They want 171 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: to get a promotion, but yet they promote a woman 172 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: just because she's a woman. It's infuriating. She points to Texaco, Goldman, Sachs, Novartis, 173 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: and Coca Cola, all of which have had to pay 174 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: nine figure settlements in responds to lawsuits alleging bias against 175 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: women and hiring and promotions. So a lot of these 176 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: companies feel like, hey, we can't afford for her to 177 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: sue us. We'll just pay off a settle. Andrews concludes 178 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: that no manager wants to be the person who cost 179 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: his company two hundred million dollars or whatever it is 180 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: in a gender discrimination lawsuit. Therefore, it is not an 181 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: exaggeration to state, as Andrews does, that antidiscrimination law requires 182 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: that every workplace basically be feminized, basically, you know, cater 183 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: to women, basically cater to anyone who has a feeling 184 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: that's different from yours, because you don't want to get sued. 185 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: My question is, why is this he even grounds for lawsuit. 186 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: Andrews points to lee Go precedence from cases going all 187 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: the way back to the nineties. She writes, quote, a 188 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: landmark case in nineteen ninety one found that pinup posters 189 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: on the walls of a shipyard constituted a hostile work 190 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: environment for women, and that principle has grown to encompass 191 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: many forms of masculine conduct. Dozens of Silicon Valley companies 192 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: have been hit with lawsuits alleging a flatboard culture, a 193 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: toxic bro culture, and a law firm specializing in these 194 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: suits broads of settlements ranging from six figures to eight 195 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: million dollars for a bro culture. Women can sue their 196 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: bosses for running a workplace that feels like a fraternity house, 197 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: but men can't sue their bosses when their workplace feels 198 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: like a Montssori kindergarten or feels like a feminine workspace. 199 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of makes you think, Hey, you know, 200 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: if you're a man and you're working in a nail salon, 201 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: it's probably going to be a femine environment. If you're 202 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: a woman who's working in a place with a bunch 203 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: of men in a shipyard, probably going to be a 204 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: male environment. Naturally, employers are on the side of making 205 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: the office softer because they want to cater to the 206 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: lowest come denominator. So, if women are thriving more in 207 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: the modern workplace, is that really because they're out competing men? 208 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: Is that because they're better than men? Absolutely not, It's 209 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: because the landscape has changed and has made it so 210 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: that the workplace caters to women, they don't cater to 211 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: the strengths of men. Is it because the rules have 212 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: been changed to favor them? Wokeness then, isn't a cause. 213 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: It's a symptom of a systemic unfairness written into the 214 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: American legal and economic systems that is harming men. God 215 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: are the days when neutrality was the preferred system, when 216 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: we'd say, okay, a man and woman, whoever is the 217 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: best can get the role. People will work together of 218 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: just being neutral, we're not going to play into any 219 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: of this. Well, that's not the case. Under the current 220 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,359 Speaker 1: cultural regime. We're required to lean increasingly towards our institutions 221 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: being run by women. Women think that they should actually 222 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: be promoted and such just because they're a woman. Which 223 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: is interesting because among women who do have a gender 224 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: preference for their boss, more still prefer a male boss 225 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: or for a female one. H I wonder why. Probably 226 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: because if you're a female boss and you have all 227 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: these women working for you, you can't know no one gets 228 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: favored over another because they're all women. So you can't 229 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: really get up the chain by playing the whole I'm 230 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: a woman card. So Wolkan is taking the entire you know, 231 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: billion dollar plus American entertainment segment. Isn't the direct consequence 232 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: of a deliberate plot. It's more of an indirect consequence. 233 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: What then, are some other consequences of the great feminization? Well, 234 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: extinction extinction of the human race. That's because women are 235 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: biologically programmed to select men who are you know, either 236 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: similar or more successful, or more strong, or have some 237 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: kind of quality that attracts them in that way. So, 238 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: according to Atlis Press, they say this, this is the 239 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: central irony. It's worth sitting with involved to select for strength, competence, decisiveness, 240 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: the capacity to protect. Research consistently shows that women prefer 241 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: mates with higher status, even when women themselves are in 242 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: the same situation. This is bad news because women now 243 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: account for the majority of college students and a majority 244 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: of college degrees, which means that they are more likely 245 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: to be set for life with a job. Meanwhile, if 246 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: men are not achieving the same types of jobs, those 247 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: women are not interested in those men. Now, of course, 248 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: this is a recipe for disaster because men as men 249 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: are not going to be able to succeed if women 250 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: are taking all their jobs. Meanwhile, American industry has been 251 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: haulowed out and our blue collar jobs have been large 252 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: part been disappearing, especially the ones who have been been 253 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: taken by illegal aliens. According to Alice Press, when blue 254 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: collar work goes down, men become less merriable as well. 255 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: This is documented and the mechanism is simple. Women select 256 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: for strength and for providers. When men can do not 257 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: have this ability, that lowers their standards and they opt 258 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: out of the market entirely. This is very interesting because 259 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: a growing number of men are actually seeing wild success 260 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: in the trade world and going to trade school. We 261 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: see welders doing very well, but others who try to 262 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: go into blue collar work that work has been outsourced 263 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: to illegals. We actually see very good jobs like being 264 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: a truck driver. A lot of people who are illegal 265 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: see that they will then try to be truck drivers 266 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: as well and take those very good jobs which allow 267 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: a lot of and then to provide for their families. 268 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: So it is very upsetting right now. Marriage rates are 269 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: going down. Atlas reports the marriage rate in the US 270 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: has declined fifty four percent since nineteen hundred. One in 271 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: four Americans who reach age forty has never been married, 272 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: which is up from six percent in nineteen eighty. New 273 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: demographic projections suggest that one one and three of the 274 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: young adults alive today will never marry at all. These 275 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: are not cultural preferences expressing themselves. These are structural outcomes 276 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: of the system that we built. It's not hard to 277 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: see how this current situation is untenable. That idealized world 278 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: run by women, as depicted in modern Star Trek is 279 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: actually an impossibility and probably a hell on earth such 280 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: as society would never survive more than a few generations 281 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: before it would like they were not people. We wouldn't 282 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: be in this position in the first place were it 283 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: not for the utopian leftists and their insistence on framing 284 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: patriarchy as the greatest social ill known to mankind. The 285 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: reality is patriarchy has been universally popular across the ages 286 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: because it works. 287 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: JK. 288 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: Chesterton cautioned against these senseless tearing down our traditions, likening 289 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: them to a fence. Sure you can remove the fence, 290 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: but it's wise to at least learn why it was 291 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: there in the first place. The fence might actually be 292 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: trying to keep something out, and it turns out that 293 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: the one that was gender neutrality and hiring and promoting 294 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: was there for a reason to stave off collapse such 295 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: as this bronatalis Simone and Malcolm Collins on their YouTube 296 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: channel Based Camp recently did a video debunking the myth 297 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: of the idealized female run society by examining the data 298 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: for the matriarchal Bonobo compared to the patriarchal Champanzee, because 299 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: apparently this was something that was believed by those who 300 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: pushed hard for the great feminization. Of course, they look 301 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: to primates for inspiration on how to run society and 302 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: not actual humans. That data reveals that Bonobo females are 303 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: sociopathic in their behavior, start more conflicts, and if they 304 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 1: don't get their way, they get very upset. Actually, now 305 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: that I think about it, that sounds a lot with 306 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: the Democrats, who knew understanding Bonobo's would lead to understanding 307 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: our peers across the aisle. But the upside of all 308 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: of this is not that women are evil. It's not 309 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: that women are inferior. It's that women have a different 310 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: set of strength, They have different capabilities, and a lot 311 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: of those strengths are better explained when it comes to 312 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: family they are meant to be a helper to men 313 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: in their relationship. It makes them better mothers. But when 314 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: you stamp out empathy, when you stamp out a lot 315 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: of beautiful things about feminine qualities and the feminine virtues, 316 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: you end up with a very disgruntled, strange man sort 317 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: of you know, want to be man. And that's kind 318 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: of what a corporate you know, very girl boss woman 319 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: is because just a very unhappy person. So the upshot 320 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: of all of this is that many a society's greatest 321 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: ills can be built can be pinned down to this 322 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: social experiment of pushing men out of the workplace and 323 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: pushing women to the top of it. It's kind of 324 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: reassuring to think that by changing how we hire and 325 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: manage corporations, we will simultaneously rid the world of star 326 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: trek casting that looks like the twenty twenty four Jaguar 327 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: ad and fix our broken rates of marriage and birth. 328 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: As for a solution to this mess, we have to 329 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: agree with Helen Andrews, who says, quote Thankfully, I don't 330 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: think solving the feminization problem requires us to shut any 331 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: doors in women's faces. We simply have to restore fair rules, 332 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: right now we have a nominally meritocratics system and which 333 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: it is illegal for women to lose. Let's make hiring 334 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: meritocratic and substance and not just name, and we will 335 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: see how it shakes out. Make it legal to have 336 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: a masculine office culture again. Remove the HR lady's veto power. 337 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: I think people will be surprised to discover how much 338 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: of our current feminization is attributable to institutional changes like 339 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: the ivent of HR, which we're brought about by legal changes, 340 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: in which legal changes can reverse Amen. Wouldn't that be amazing? 341 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: We just need to return to the concept workplace fairness. 342 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: I think we'll see very quickly how that would result, 343 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: because if you let more men in and you allow 344 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: people to compete, tolerance will increase. I think actually women 345 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: will prefer to be in the home, marriage will increase, 346 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: movies will get better, We'll have more dating, more fun, 347 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: more guys willing to ask a girl out on date. 348 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: But right now they're too a fraight to oftentimes because 349 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: if you meet someone at work, it's like illegal to 350 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: flirt or talk to somebody if you're both single. So 351 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: I think that all of this has been a huge 352 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: detriment to our society, basically allowing these strange HR companies 353 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: to dictate how people behave at work Outside of work, 354 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: I think it will be much better for people to 355 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: get married, have more children, and both men and women 356 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: will start to feel more comfortable and happier. Only then 357 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: we finally rid ourselves of this poison which is wokeness 358 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: and feminiside. I'm delighted to welcome our guest today, our 359 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: favorite Dinesh. You are going to help us understand this 360 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: issue of feminism which we've been talking about in today's show. 361 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: Maybe you could unpack a little bit for us the 362 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: different stages of feminism. 363 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 3: Well, it's more the stages of the roles of women, 364 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 3: and feminism is part of this picture. So when you 365 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: think about the ancient world, the world before the coming 366 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 3: of industry, So by the ancient world here, I mean 367 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 3: the world before the industrial revolution. Basically men and women 368 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 3: both had to work because it was a necessity. You 369 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 3: couldn't survive without essentially two hands, two people putting in 370 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 3: work time, and you had to do childcare kind of 371 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: on the side. 372 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: So it was hard. 373 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: Work and women were quote in the workforce to the 374 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: degree that there was a workforce. Obviously buying large people 375 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: had workshops, so they had farms that they worked on 376 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 3: adjoining their house, and the work was sort of that way. 377 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 2: Then with the coming of. 378 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: Industry, I would call it the first liberation of women, 379 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: by which I mean women were liberated not to have 380 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: to do physical labor or at least full time. They 381 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 3: now were able to sort of focus on the domestic life. 382 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 3: So this invented what we now call the traditional lifestyle. 383 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: It wasn't the traditional lifestyle before it became the traditional 384 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 3: lifestyle with a division of labor. Basically the man is 385 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 3: the provider, the woman having the ability, and this really 386 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: became commonplace in the nineteenth century. Now, housework used to 387 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 3: be a fairly exhausting operation unto itself, because you had 388 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: to cook, you had to clean, you had to basically 389 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: make food from scratch, and you didn't have technology to 390 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: really help you in a decisive way. So the great 391 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 3: third stage emerges when you have all these labor saving 392 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: appliances that come into play in the middle of the 393 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 3: twentieth century, from later the microwave oven, but even earlier 394 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: the vacuum cleaner. 395 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: Well, suddenly it becomes. 396 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 3: That the housework that used to take up eight to 397 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 3: ten hours a day now takes up like two hours 398 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: a day, and you have ready made meals and you 399 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 3: have fast food, and it's very easy to get the 400 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: job done. And so the boredom that Betty for Danne 401 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 3: talks about in her book The Feminine Mystique, which is 402 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: thought to be the sort of gospel of modern feminism. 403 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: Either old women have you know. 404 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 3: They're they're under the captivity of having no life. Well, 405 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: ironically that was a sort of a victory because, as 406 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 3: I say, technology reduced the burden of housework to no 407 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: longer be a full time occupation. But Betty for Dan 408 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: interpreted that as we're now bored, we need to kind 409 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 3: of go back to what the ancient world offered, and 410 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: that is women need to re enter the workforce sort 411 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: of on the same terms as men. And that became 412 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 3: what we now called feminism, where women are essentially copying 413 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: the male model and going into the workforce. And what 414 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: we have now, I think is a questioning of that arrangement. 415 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 3: So now I think there is a yearning among many people, 416 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: young people male and female, to have some version a 417 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: restoration of the traditional lifestyle. But not the traditional lifestyle 418 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 3: of thirteen fifty, but the traditional lifestyle of eighteen fifty. 419 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: So the lifestyle of the second stage that I mentioned 420 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: has become a common aspiration of the so called trad movement. 421 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there have been a lot of the trad 422 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: people who might do the older version because they'll both 423 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: be living on the farm and both working on the 424 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: farm and so on. And of course a lot of 425 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: people live that way. But it is interesting because I 426 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: think when you think about back then, they were probably 427 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot more together back then because 428 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: people lived in much, you know, closer kind of villages. 429 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: If you know this person's you know, the woman's working, 430 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: she's probably working to make food, like you said, that's 431 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: going to be a whole process, probably working with the children, 432 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: and everybody's you know, sort of contributing to what they're doing, 433 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: maybe they're artisans or something. And so then as technology changes, 434 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: I think the male's role also changed because then he's 435 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: kind of going kind of like you said, maybe he's 436 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: going out to work and so on. So then the 437 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: woman's at home no longer with him at home as well, 438 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: so then she's kind of managing the home in that sense. 439 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: Where do you think it became where women started to 440 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: measure what it means to be a woman or what 441 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: it means to be successful based on a man's being 442 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: like a man. Because that's kind of what feminism is. 443 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: It's saying, you know, the feminine virtues, the beautiful things 444 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: about women, we want to stamp those out. We don't 445 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: care about those, you know, empathy, you know, being a 446 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: caring love person. That's not that men aren't karen and loving, 447 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: but you know, it's a little bit more of feminine quality. 448 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: They just kind of say, oh, those are stupid. You know, 449 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: be like men, be you know, competitive, be all these 450 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: things that men are. And then women were kind of like, oh, 451 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: we have to do all the things that men do. 452 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: Well. 453 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 3: If we think back to the nineteenth century model, which 454 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: I'm going to loosely call the Victorian model, the idea 455 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: was that the workplace is a demanding and harsh place, 456 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: and it was for the most part right. Factories had 457 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: a lot of suit, a lot of pollution. You were 458 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 3: working in mining, you you know, you got your hands dirty, 459 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: you had the risk of industrial accidents, and so the 460 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: home was a place of domesticity and calm and peace. 461 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: And domestic bliss. 462 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: And this is there's a whole literature of the nineteenth 463 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: century that celebrates these so called domestic affections as being 464 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: really where life is lived and where life derives it's 465 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 3: happiness and its meaning. So there was no effort in 466 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: the Victorian idea to make women inferior in any way. 467 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: In fact, the opposite the idea was that where women are, 468 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 3: that's where true happiness is, and the ultimate aspiration of 469 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 3: the man is to get done with work and then 470 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: sort of take off his shoes and enjoy life with 471 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 3: his wife and his family. 472 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: Now, in the twentieth century. 473 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: With the transformation of the household through domestic time saving appliances, basically. 474 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: House work sort of lost kind. 475 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: Of its necessity, right because now it became a lot easier. 476 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 3: And I think the way that Bettyford and Gloria Stein 477 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 3: and the early feminists, the way they saw it is 478 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 3: like we are just sitting around bored at home, and 479 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: these men are out there like doing important things. Many 480 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: of these women, by the way, were urban women from 481 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: wealthy families. They had very good edge ocasions, and they 482 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: sort of looked with resentment at their fellow classmates at 483 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 3: at Yale and at Princeton, seeing them go on to 484 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: become captains of industry or successful entrepreneurs. And basically these 485 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: women were like, that's what we want to do, and 486 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 3: that's what all women should want to do. Now it 487 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: may very well be I mean, even going back to 488 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 3: ancient times, there were always exceptions made for women to 489 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 3: be in positions not only of power, but also of creativity. 490 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 3: I mean, think about Queen Elizabeth for example, or think 491 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: about female of women who were writers. Generally, though those 492 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: women came from aristocratic families or came from well to 493 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 3: do families, they. 494 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: Were not the norm. Yea. 495 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: The feminist movement of the fifties, sixties, and seventies was 496 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: very successful in transmitting a kind of discontent to a 497 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 3: lot of ordinary women and convincing them that their lives 498 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: were not good and they needed to kind of get 499 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: out there and prove themselves. And of course, the standard 500 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 3: in the outside world was always set by men. So 501 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: this is where the aspiration to sort of why can't 502 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: a woman be more like a man? 503 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: You know? That became in a way the gospel of feminism. 504 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: Wow. And it's interesting because it seems like a lot 505 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: of the messages that those feminists push. I mean, were 506 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: they happy in their relationships? Were they would they have children? 507 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: Because some of these people you dive into them, you 508 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: drive into their live stories, and you see that they 509 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: were just miserable people. I mean, it's really hard to 510 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: say whether any of those people were very happy. And then, 511 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: of course, the trickle down effect is a lot of women, 512 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, decades later end up working not because they 513 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: want to, but because they feel like they have to. 514 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: Well, I'll say something a little controversial because I think 515 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 3: it's true, even though it's rarely discussed, with one or 516 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: two exceptions, if you look, by and large at a 517 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 3: sort of portraits gallery of modern feminism, you'll notice that 518 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: these women are almost always smart, but extremely ugly. And 519 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: initially I thought this was just some sort of a coincidence, 520 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 3: which is to say, you know, guess what, It just 521 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 3: so happens that, you know, out of the top twenty 522 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 3: feminists of the twentieth century, like eighteen happened to be 523 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 3: rather difficult to look at and unsightly. But I don't 524 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: think it's I don't think that it's accidental. And here's 525 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: what I mean, By and large, it is the experience 526 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: of clever women, and some of them are very frustrated 527 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: at this that they are not the first choice of 528 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 3: clever men. And what I mean by that is that 529 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: clever men who go on to be successful in life 530 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 3: will often choose a pretty girl, even though the pretty 531 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: girl happens to be you know, a waitress or a 532 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: secretary or someone who is just in an ordinary sphere 533 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: of life, over a classmate, you know at Tulane, or 534 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: a classmate at Berkeley who has really good grins aids, 535 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 3: and is you know, has the same kind of creative 536 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: aspirations as the male, but is nevertheless not his first choice. 537 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: So I think modern feminism partly arose as a smoldering 538 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: resentment at the fact that the pretty girls were getting 539 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 3: the most attractive men, and so the feminist decided, in 540 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: a sense, we're going to have to go out ourselves 541 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 3: and be those men ourselves. And I think this was 542 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: a secret but very powerful motive of envy that drove 543 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: early feminism. It's very rarely acknowledged, and of course men 544 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 3: were sort of There are men who have privately talked 545 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 3: about this, like in the locker room, but they don't 546 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 3: like to say it out loud because they don't want 547 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: to be tormented by these feminist harpies who will then 548 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 3: make their life miserable for the next ten years. 549 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: And it's not so true. I mean, why would someone 550 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: want to be married to one of those feminists anyways, 551 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: Because one of their main goals is to make other 552 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: people miserable. So even aside from being ugly, assuming that 553 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: they kind of are, in addition to that their personality 554 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: is ugly, they're difficult to be around. You know, you 555 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: can't really hang out with them, even for other women. 556 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, you have those friends 557 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: where they'll say things and you're just kind of like, okay, 558 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, because you're you're crazy. 559 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: No exactly. 560 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: They not only is it difficult for other people to 561 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: be with them, it's difficult for them to be with themselves. 562 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 3: And I think this is you can sense this that 563 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 3: there is a certain type of cosmic rebellion going on, 564 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: and so I think what you're saying is that sometimes 565 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 3: maybe even as a protest against physical ugliness, you develop 566 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 3: a temperamental or character ugliness. 567 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 568 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: Because of the physical but I just know that feminism itself, 569 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: if you are someone who's a radical feminist, You're probably 570 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: going to be a very unpleasant person to be around 571 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: because those people are very entitled. They approach everything as 572 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: if they are Yeah, like they're entitled to having it. 573 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, yeah, look, kind of like you said, 574 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: in the workplace, if they're with other men, they think, wait, 575 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: like I should be beating him at this, I should 576 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: be first, or oh yeah, why would he like that person? 577 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: You know, she's not as accomplished as I am, or something, 578 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: as if men care. 579 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: They're rebels against the whole order of creation. I mean, 580 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: they don't like the fact that this is really why 581 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 3: a lot of them, for example, end up becoming anti religious, 582 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: or if they're not explicitly anti religious, they want to 583 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: overturn the order of the priesthood. The women have got 584 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 3: to be given the same roles and authority as men. 585 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: They don't mind if it topples the whole hierarchical order. 586 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: But so what I'm getting at is that their rebellion, 587 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 3: I think, is more is much more comprehensive than simply hey, 588 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 3: I want to get out there and work. It becomes 589 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 3: a discontent with the way that society is ordered. 590 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: But I think even the way nature is ordered. 591 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it makes you wonder are they all 592 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: lesbians or do you think only half because the other 593 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: half I think aren't. But then they end up with 594 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: men who are just very weak, I guess, or they 595 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, the guy just kind of does 596 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: whatever they say all the time, and he's in the 597 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: background carrying her person. She's the main star or something. 598 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 3: You know. 599 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: You see that sometimes, but it's kind of off putting. 600 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: Now, my experience is that the large number of these 601 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 3: feminists are alone. They don't have any life partner. What 602 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 3: they do is they find a reading group of like 603 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 3: minded discontents where all of them can sit in a 604 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 3: kind of which is covid of discontent and have a 605 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 3: big kind of cauldron of complaints, and they stir the 606 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: pot and they all leave with smoldering. Remember that resentment 607 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 3: is at a certain level of very comforting affliction because 608 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: you have this idea that the universe has wronged you. 609 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: See. 610 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 3: Also, by the way, in the domain of race, this 611 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 3: is kind of why racial activism and feminism in some 612 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 3: senses go hand in hand. 613 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: The victim philosophy is there's a joy in it. 614 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 3: Ultimately, it's not It's not a formula for happiness, I think, 615 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 3: as we both know, but it provides certain type of 616 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: spiritual comfort in the short term, very similar to a 617 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,959 Speaker 3: person who has been grievously wronged in some way. They 618 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 3: that gives them a sense of purpose of mission of 619 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 3: drives them, And the same is true. I think with 620 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 3: the feminists they get a certain drive from being out 621 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 3: of sync, out of kilter with the entire order of creation. Right. 622 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: It's also interesting because a lot of these women who 623 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: are very liberal and very weird, ones who don't get married, 624 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: don't have kids of their own, they all of a sudden, 625 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: they all want they don't want to like become teachers. 626 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: They always want to do things influence other people, or 627 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: they feel like their voice really needs to be heard, 628 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: like if they're a woman in the corporate world, they 629 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: feel like, oh, now I need to have a seminar 630 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: on women in the world. Now I need to be 631 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: someone who's you know, speaking out. And I guess why 632 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: did they feel the need to impose their misery on 633 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: everyone else to try to get other women to do 634 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: the same thing. 635 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 3: Well, misery does love company. There's an old proverb to 636 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 3: that effect. But I think you know, as you know, 637 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: these are the worst people to be teachers. They're extremely intolerant. 638 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 3: They we knew, both of us, even a generation of 639 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 3: part at Dartmouth. Like the most intolerant course to walk 640 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 3: into would be like women's studies, because if you deviate 641 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: even slightly from what the professor thinks, she's going to 642 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 3: descend on you with a venom. And not only that, 643 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 3: you can be absolutely sure that your grade is going 644 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 3: to be a sea or worse. So she's going to 645 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 3: take it out on you in the grading system, and 646 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 3: you can be very confident of that from the beginning. 647 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 3: So whenever i'd see some sort of you know, frat 648 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 3: boy who sort of accidentally walks into that type of 649 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 3: a class, you know, I would tell them, you know, 650 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 3: you need to get out of there because you. 651 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 2: Have idea what you're getting into. 652 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 3: You might think you're just going to learn some things about, 653 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 3: you know, the female perspective on the Renaissance, but you're 654 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 3: going to realize that this is this is a whole different. 655 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 3: You're going to have to put on an ideological straight 656 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 3: jacket and you're not going to be able to speak 657 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 3: your mind freely, unless, of course, you absolutely already agree 658 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 3: with the teacher on everything, So you're right, it's it 659 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: is ironic that they want to go into the one 660 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 3: field for which they are ill suited. And but I 661 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 3: think they do it because they want to propagandize others, 662 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 3: and so you develop a missionary zeal about their feminism. 663 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: Explain the psychology of the few of these women who 664 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: aren't alone, aren't lesbians? Who are the men who end 665 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: up with these people? Because it seems like you have 666 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: to have a very low self esteem and be a 667 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: very very sad person. I always pity someone that situation. 668 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 3: There is a certain type of liberal man, I think 669 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 3: particularly you see this in the Northeast, who is not 670 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 3: necessarily that way, but has a certain sort of Remember, men, 671 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 3: even of the old stripe, are cultivated or raised to 672 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 3: be believers in chivalry, courtesy, and a certain kind of 673 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 3: nobless obleieched. These are all, by the way, good qualities 674 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 3: in and of themselves. And we're also raised culturally to 675 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 3: think that if somebody seems to be in distress, we 676 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 3: need to be solicitous of what they're saying, because there's 677 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 3: probably a real grievance behind it. Why else would somebody 678 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 3: be so bent out of shape, so inconsolable. And so 679 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 3: there is a species of man who thinks that this 680 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 3: feminist complaint must be well grounded, because why else would 681 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 3: you get all these well bred women who appear to 682 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 3: be so disconsolate and upset about their lives and so 683 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 3: the and it's like, I need to try to help 684 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 3: this person make it better. And you know, if she 685 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: wants me to take out the trash, okay, I'll do that. 686 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 3: And okay, if she wants me to spend half my 687 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 3: time dividing my responsibilities between earning a living. 688 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: I'll do that. 689 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 3: And so I think that there are people who go 690 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,439 Speaker 3: into these relationships with a kind of well meaning openness. 691 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 3: Now I think over time these people become embittered because 692 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 3: they begin to realize that, in fact, these feminists don't 693 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 3: really believe in justice. So, for example, the men are 694 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 3: expected to do half the housework. But then if the 695 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 3: man says to the woman, well, all right, well I 696 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 3: expect you to earn half of the money, then she's like, 697 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 3: what where do you come up with that? What made 698 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 3: you think of something so outrageous? You're supposed to be 699 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 3: the full provider and do half of the housework, and 700 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 3: then the man begins to realize, wait, this I appear 701 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 3: to be This appears to be a bit of a setup. 702 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: This appears to be an equality that runs one way. 703 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 3: You want to redify and traditional arrangements to your benefit, 704 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 3: but where they benefit me, you want to keep them 705 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 3: in place, right. 706 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and not to mention, a lot of those people 707 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: end up negotiating every single thing. I guess every single 708 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: thing is going to be a battle. So just don't 709 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: even bother fighting about it because you know where that's 710 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: going to end. Well, thank you so much for joining 711 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: us and sharing our insights on feminism. We'll have to 712 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: pick this up again next time. 713 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,240 Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. 714 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: Well, that wraps up today's show. If you enjoyed the show, 715 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: make sure to find me on social media. I am 716 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: at Danielle Desusa, gil, Facebook, YouTube, Rumble, Instagram, x truth 717 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: Social I'll see you next time.