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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the border.
Speaker 1: We have brought in five percent of the population of hating.
Speaker 1: I don't see the issue with that though, like as
Speaker 1: you don't see the issue allow allowing.
Speaker 2: Immigrants into our country. I mean, is that not the.
Speaker 1: Foundations are legal immigrants that he is seeking refuge for
Speaker 1: the best country in the world. Isn't that the whole
Speaker 1: point of your organization? The US is the best country
Speaker 1: in the world. Shouldn't we be obligated to like help
Speaker 1: people that are something?
Speaker 2: America is the best country.
Speaker 1: Therefore citizens should come first, not foreigners.
Speaker 2: So we have an obligation to our own people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so the path of the citizenship should become easier.
Speaker 1: No, we should deport them all back to We should
Speaker 1: deport them all back to them all back to their hall.
Speaker 2: Of the immigrants. Okay, we shouldn't all the illegal foreigners.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: In Springfield, Ohio, in one town.
Speaker 1: English is a second language speakers in one high school
Speaker 1: went from two hundred and fifty to fifteen hundred kids
Speaker 1: in two years.
Speaker 2: These communities are being overrun. Go down to Aurora, Colorado.
Speaker 1: Right down the street here, entire apartment complexes are now
Speaker 1: being run by Venezuelan gangs. Not to mention, every day
Speaker 1: an American citizen is being killed from Lake and Riley
Speaker 1: to Rachel Morin to eleven year olds that are being
Speaker 1: killed in duy accidents.
Speaker 3: We have a belief that.
Speaker 1: Our founding fathers had, which is your government does not
Speaker 1: fulfill its obligation to its own people first, its government
Speaker 1: is not legitimate.
Speaker 2: And that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 1: Our government is now providing taxpayer funded cell phones, hotel rooms, benefits,
Speaker 1: airplane rides, cash.
Speaker 2: For foreigners, but not for Americans.
Speaker 1: If you guys, as an American citizen, want a free
Speaker 1: cell phone, they'll laugh at you as a foreigner. For Venezuelan,
Speaker 1: you get one on the southern border. You get a
Speaker 1: flight to any city that you want. You get a
Speaker 1: luxury hotel in New York City, you get taxpayer funded healthcare.
Speaker 1: That is the inversion that is elevating somebody from a
Speaker 1: distant land over our own people when our own kids
Speaker 1: can't afford homes. Our own people are seeing an increase
Speaker 1: in crime, homelessness, and we have over fifty thousand homeless
Speaker 1: vets in this country.
Speaker 2: It's a breakdown of the social contract.
Speaker 1: Wait, so the government should support veterans, support citizens, and
Speaker 1: more we should do Yeah, yeah, so we should spend
Speaker 1: more on our people that are health care better social prosections.
Speaker 2: It's literally you just said we should spend it.
Speaker 1: On veterans and not on foreign and American citizens with
Speaker 1: like cheaper health care.
Speaker 2: Let's what you just said. Well, hold on, you're freeing.
Speaker 1: Phones, airplane rides, public transit. I don't have to pray
Speaker 1: for Americans. No, it sounds terrible, actually Americans.
Speaker 2: Yes, government should not be getting free phones to anybody.
Speaker 1: Okay, you said that the citizens should come first in
Speaker 1: those progress You know how they should come first by
Speaker 1: not having to compete against a foreigner for your job.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's the Kenason though. When mostly
Speaker 1: how about this, if your own perspective was correct, would
Speaker 1: you feel careful comfortable going in an uber right now
Speaker 1: to Aurora, Colorado and go into those three apartment complexes.
Speaker 1: I mean, according to the Aurora police, I probably would.
Speaker 1: They say the apartment's complexes.
Speaker 2: Are not overrun. You should get in the car and
Speaker 2: go yet and go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, go talk to anybody here and go knock
Speaker 1: on the door, and they'll extort you. For cash, because
Speaker 1: we're a country that is open for looting. Right now,
Speaker 1: for the entire world, over one hundred and eighteen countries
Speaker 1: have entered the southern border that we know of. At
Speaker 1: least ninety nine people on the terrorist watch list have
Speaker 1: come across the southern border.
Speaker 2: We're talking about people from.
Speaker 1: Turkmenistan, Whozbekistan, from Iran, people from Pakistan that are coming
Speaker 1: here and mean harm to the interior of the United States.
Speaker 2: Not to mention, we're breaking down what it means to
Speaker 2: be a citizen.
Speaker 1: A citizen should be put first above anybody else. If
Speaker 1: a government does not do that, then a government is
Speaker 1: not fulfilling it's basic obligation, and the number one obligation
Speaker 1: is to make sure that it's people can have a
Speaker 1: pathway to a better life and a good life, not
Speaker 1: a variety of free stuff, but not have to compete
Speaker 1: with somebody from Brazil for a home. Not that the cure, no,
Speaker 1: but not sure. The way that we're not doing that
Speaker 1: is that we're importing the third world, and we're quickly
Speaker 1: becoming the world. So why don't we use our resources
Speaker 1: to improve the third world so they're not coming here
Speaker 1: rather than.
Speaker 2: Because that's not the role of the American government.
Speaker 1: You think we should be concerned about Central American politics.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I care about our own people, so
Speaker 1: secure the border, about those people that are so you know,
Speaker 1: you know why you're in Of course I care about it.
Speaker 1: You say you don't want to spend the money to
Speaker 1: make that change happen. Number one, We've spent trillions, hundreds
Speaker 1: of billions of dollars. It doesn't do anything any good.
Speaker 2: Number two.
Speaker 1: Number two, it is not the role of the American
Speaker 1: government to solve the problems of Panama, El Salvador and
Speaker 1: Honduras when our own citizens are suffering and are crying
Speaker 1: out for help. So why has the billions of dollars
Speaker 1: spent on Central American aid over the last four years.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't efect that it slowing it has the rates
Speaker 1: of sex trafficking.
Speaker 2: In Central America. It hasn't.
Speaker 1: It hasn't slowed anything. No, it's been effect It hasn't
Speaker 1: affected anything. What you're talking about is bribing these governments
Speaker 1: where they then go give it to cartel leaders and say, hey,
Speaker 1: this month, send twenty thousand people instead of forty thousands.
Speaker 1: That's not what that money's going towards scaling towards NGO's
Speaker 1: built um up stabilization.
Speaker 2: Do you think NGOs spend the money correctly? Okay nine,
Speaker 2: you are so nicely.
Speaker 1: By the way, more people are crossing the Daarien Gap
Speaker 1: than ever before, not to mention we are, they're coming
Speaker 1: across on the CBP one app across the border into
Speaker 1: the interior United States in every single state. You cannot
Speaker 1: continue to have a country if you import an unfamiliar.
Speaker 2: Third world this quickly into America. So now you should
Speaker 2: be a path to So we should.
Speaker 1: Have no immigrants in this country right now, no immigrant
Speaker 1: on and we need a total complete shutdown of immigration
Speaker 1: in this country until every single gen Z person can
Speaker 1: afford a home and can get their act together and
Speaker 1: be able to afford the American work. Your path to
Speaker 1: gen Z getting homes is it just kicking off brown people,
Speaker 1: not brown people. I think we should imgrant, we should.
Speaker 1: Anyone that's here illegally should be deported back to their
Speaker 1: country of homeland.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's a moral position one visas that
Speaker 2: like generate that's interesting, h one B.
Speaker 1: But you're staying computer anything, anybody computer engineering. You guys
Speaker 1: have to compete against a foreigner.
Speaker 2: For a job.
Speaker 1: That's wrong every Yeah American, Well, I actually care about
Speaker 1: the country more.
Speaker 2: Than the free markets.
Speaker 1: Colleges should better prepare students and better uf resources. College
Speaker 1: is a scam, but yes, we went, We did that
Speaker 1: earlier for computer science. They shouldn't go to college.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, don't need to go to college for computer science.
Speaker 2: Don't need to go to college computer science. You could
Speaker 2: do a coding class in a couple of months. You
Speaker 2: could do a coating class. Yes, yeah, Alphabet is hiring
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Alpha can get a job at Alphabet Google. Yes, taking
Speaker 1: a C plus plus class. Correct, Yes, yes, they're hiring
Speaker 1: coders after a sixty day coding class. To answer your question,
Speaker 1: a country that ceases to secure its own sovereignty and
Speaker 1: does not think I care more about my own people
Speaker 1: than the foreigners ceases to be a country. You're a
Speaker 1: colony and you're something else, and we are seeing our
Speaker 1: generosity be taken advantage of. I am all for American
Speaker 1: charities going down to Panama and helping out.
Speaker 2: I'm all for people giving the charity.
Speaker 1: So we should reallocate us spending towards things that are
Speaker 1: actually effective for people in and outside of our borders.
Speaker 1: So then we don't want people coming into our borders,
Speaker 1: and then we can help our people. Well, no, the
Speaker 1: way again, if they come to the border and the
Speaker 1: border is closed and.
Speaker 2: You say a stile, they go back to Nicaraga.
Speaker 1: If we spend in Central America, they don't have to
Speaker 1: come to the US, and then we have a US
Speaker 1: the same amount of spending. No, no, it's the first
Speaker 1: of all, if you to solve the problems of the
Speaker 1: Third World would cost trillions of dollars and that would
Speaker 1: all be laundered and not even work. And again, it's
Speaker 1: not the position of the American government to go throw
Speaker 1: money around in the Southern Triangle. Instead, it's our country's closed.
Speaker 1: We're not open for looting anymore. Go make Nicarago great again,
Speaker 1: or go do it. El Salvador is gone. El Salvador
Speaker 1: is now a safe and stable country and they're seeing
Speaker 1: their GDP go up.
Speaker 2: And it's not because of us. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: We put four billion dollars into cushoes in America.
Speaker 2: Hold then, and you know, Bukelly barely took the money.
Speaker 2: You know why it's safe.
Speaker 1: Bukell has turned El Salvador safe because he locked up
Speaker 1: all the criminals. He locked up forty thousand criminals and
Speaker 1: put them in prisons. And El Salvador is now safer
Speaker 1: than America. El Salvador is the murder capital of the world,
Speaker 1: and now El Salvador is much safer than America. I
Speaker 1: think it's wrong. If you guys are afraid to walk
Speaker 1: the streets to Denver at night, I wouldn't walk the
Speaker 1: streets to Denver. Would you guys know that's a breakdown
Speaker 1: of the fundamental role of government. Would you guys walk
Speaker 1: the streets of la at night? No, the streets of
Speaker 1: San Francisco. No, we can't walk our own greatest cities
Speaker 1: at night. And we want to bring in more people
Speaker 1: from the Third World, Hell no.
Speaker 4: In the case of immigration, if you hard restrict it
Speaker 4: and make it harder to get in, the only people
Speaker 4: who are going to make the attempts to get in,
Speaker 4: or generally going to make the attempts to get in,
Speaker 4: are more likely to commit crimes.
Speaker 1: Well, that's just not there's no there's no data or
Speaker 1: evidence to suggest that at all. When we've had the
Speaker 1: strictest immigration policies, crime was at its lowest in this country.
Speaker 1: Well so in the nineteenthimes correlation. Well, no, it's actually
Speaker 1: direct causation. Right now, we have wide open borders, correct
Speaker 1: DNA background testing from over one hundred and twenty different countries.
Speaker 4: Sure, but I don't think that has to do with
Speaker 4: the process of getting into the country. And well, it
Speaker 4: has to do with the process getting in the country,
Speaker 4: because if it's extremely difficult to get in through legally,
Speaker 4: people are going to resort to coming through illegally. Well
Speaker 4: is that not true? But we should just prevent both,
Speaker 4: that's the point. You should you should prevent people getting
Speaker 4: in in any way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we should have a total immigration moratorium in
Speaker 1: this country.
Speaker 3: Can we have like the.
Speaker 4: Lowest unemployment we've had in a long time, wouldn't we
Speaker 4: want more workers?
Speaker 1: No, we want wages to go up for American workers.
Speaker 1: It's the opposite. Well, so you want to restrict the
Speaker 1: labor pool so that you guys get the jobs first,
Speaker 1: not some competitor from Korea or Japan that comes in
Speaker 1: and steals your tech job. Shouldn't we invest in American
Speaker 1: workers first before free Sure we should, But why do
Speaker 1: you think wages are not keeping up with inflation? Because
Speaker 1: we're bringing in millions of people into this country every
Speaker 1: single year that you guys have to compete against and
Speaker 1: they don't have student loan debt, if they're able to
Speaker 1: undercut wages every single yeah, continue, If we're.
Speaker 4: Bringing in so many people, I don't think we would
Speaker 4: have as low unemployment as we would right now, would we.
Speaker 2: There's two types of unemployment.
Speaker 1: There's structural unemployment and then their specialized unemployment. Specialized unemployment
Speaker 1: is very very high, which is about eight to nine percent,
Speaker 1: which is more computer science data engineering. But that we
Speaker 1: have millions of people that have entered the disabled roles too.
Speaker 1: So but to your point, we do have millions of
Speaker 1: people coming into the I mean it's not even a.
Speaker 4: Question, but how many of those people you think that
Speaker 4: are coming in or would come in if we made
Speaker 4: it faster and more easy, are going to be taking
Speaker 4: these high specialized tech jobs.
Speaker 2: Well, very few.
Speaker 1: But the point is that the point about they undercut
Speaker 1: the muscular class, which is the very people that pay
Speaker 1: the biggest burden for all of these policy.
Speaker 4: You said that the high unemployment is in specialized not
Speaker 4: in general unemployment. Correct, Yeah, general unemployment is so low,
Speaker 4: then why does it, like, why are we worried about
Speaker 4: people coming in taking the jobs of like those.
Speaker 2: That's not the only reason why we're worried.
Speaker 1: We're worried because many of them are coming in illegally,
Speaker 1: and it's they're criminals, every single one of them, so
Speaker 1: they break our laws.
Speaker 3: I think you're proving my point here though.
Speaker 1: But no, you're just making one sliver of economics though
Speaker 1: numbers aside. How many of you guys have seen things
Speaker 1: get so expensive in the last year and a half.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's just I agree.
Speaker 4: But the real I think that's we have different reasons
Speaker 4: because I see that.
Speaker 2: Major companies, why are price is going up?
Speaker 4: I see major companies are owning different things like serial brands.
Speaker 4: There's like two companies that own allso serial brands. And
Speaker 4: when they can increase the prices continually and say, hey,
Speaker 4: look guys, it's inflation when they're making record profits that
Speaker 4: they've never made.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If that's If that's the case, then then why are
Speaker 1: small businesses raising their prices?
Speaker 4: Small businesses are raising their prices because the products that
Speaker 4: they're getting in from these major two to three companies.
Speaker 1: Are Okay, So how does inflation work.
Speaker 4: Inflation works by having more money in the system and
Speaker 4: generally because of that, your dollar is worth less, and
Speaker 4: then your wages don't really increase, and because your wages
Speaker 4: don't increase, everything's costing more to you.
Speaker 1: So tru or false. We have injected around ten trillion
Speaker 1: dollars of new money in the last three years. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that is the number one reason why we're
Speaker 1: seeing prices increase.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, But I think it's slowed.
Speaker 4: The inflation itself has slowed down a lot, and the
Speaker 4: prices themselves.
Speaker 2: Depends on what good or service you're talking about.
Speaker 4: I agree, and I think the reason it's what good
Speaker 4: or service is because the goods or services that are
Speaker 4: in control of porderline monopolies are able to raise their
Speaker 4: prices more and more. That's why when you go to
Speaker 4: the grocery store, the big issue is a bunch of
Speaker 4: things are going up that are controlled by major companies
Speaker 4: that are supplying all these grocery stores, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: But a lot of them have competitors, and so I mean,
Speaker 1: I can list five or six examples where there's robust
Speaker 1: competition and prices are still going up. But we have
Speaker 1: too many dollars chasing too many, too few goods and services.
Speaker 2: That's the big problem.
Speaker 4: Our worker base isn't really churning as it should because
Speaker 4: we have such low unemployment, which is why I'm saying
Speaker 4: immigration should be easier come in because when your workers
Speaker 4: aren't moving through positions and stuff, wages aren't going to
Speaker 4: increase that often because you're more likely to get a
Speaker 4: wage increased by switching to another job that.
Speaker 3: Pays you more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So wouldn't it make if you want to get
Speaker 1: wages up? Shouldn't you want to restrict the amount of
Speaker 1: workers in the workforce? I mean it's pretty so if
Speaker 1: you have two hundred people you could hire to fix
Speaker 1: a window or thirty people to hire to fix a window,
Speaker 1: which pool is going to have the higher average wage?
Speaker 3: I think the I think the smaller pool would.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I think the issue is a lot of
Speaker 4: people right now aren't wanting to go switch to other
Speaker 4: jobs all the time, and when you get more people
Speaker 4: in more jobs, you're likely to have more churn through there.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I don't think we disagree on that.
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, So that's that's why I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you don't have me convinced on an immigration issue, though,
Speaker 1: because if you restrict immigration across the board, then you
Speaker 1: have a prioritization and a lesser pool of competition for
Speaker 1: foreign born American labor.
Speaker 4: Sure, but I think am I wrong in saying your
Speaker 4: issue is that you have issues with specialized labor coming
Speaker 4: in and taking the positions of higher paying more specially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, to be fair, it's it's specialized muscular
Speaker 1: class labor, which is conflated. So there's there's advanced manufacturing too,
Speaker 1: which does not require college degree but can take six
Speaker 1: to nine months of apprenticeship, or for example, being an
Speaker 1: auto mechanic that's not exactly being a coder, but that's
Speaker 1: tough work, right, or.
Speaker 2: You know, even more simply, I.
Speaker 4: Just don't think that that's the majority of labor that
Speaker 4: is going to come in if we allow more people through.
Speaker 4: And it's not like a blanket, Oh we're letting everybody through.
Speaker 4: But right now, I see My biggest issue with the
Speaker 4: right is that, like, why are we restricting more immigration
Speaker 4: other than like illegal immigration, but why are we not
Speaker 4: proposing ways to loosen immigration to fix that the jobs
Speaker 4: that aren't like that, because there's like most jobs aren't
Speaker 4: generally in those classes.
Speaker 1: You're coming after this in good faith, My response would
Speaker 1: be we need a national training program to get Americans
Speaker 1: properly trained before we try to import foreign labor to
Speaker 1: fill those positions. And that goes back to my college
Speaker 1: as a scam type postulization. So we have oversupplied the
Speaker 1: credentialing which is for your college degree, and we've undersupplied
Speaker 1: the six to nine month specialization vector. And because that,
Speaker 1: we have massive job opening. I want to get to
Speaker 1: the next question. Thank you appreciate it.
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Speaker 6: So I just had a question because you talk a
Speaker 6: lot about like protecting and securing our southern borders, But
Speaker 6: as the granddaughter of immigrants, I think that we get
Speaker 6: into a lot of complicated disputes with the idea that
Speaker 6: immigrants are criminals, are drug dealers and things like that.
Speaker 6: So I just want to hear what your opinion is
Speaker 6: on those expectations. Are those what do you call it,
Speaker 6: those stereotypes that are put on Hispanic communities, Latino communities
Speaker 6: and how they change the way people perceive immigration.
Speaker 1: Sure, so thank you for the question. So you said
Speaker 1: you're the first generation student or first generation American.
Speaker 6: I'm a first generation student.
Speaker 2: Cool, great, second generation American? Do they hear that right?
Speaker 6: I'm a third generation American on my mom's side, second.
Speaker 2: On my dad's.
Speaker 1: When you're your grandparents, then is that right came to
Speaker 1: the country. Did they do so through the legal process?
Speaker 2: That was ind So my.
Speaker 6: Father got married to my mother, so he is a
Speaker 6: legal resident of the United States. She's been here her
Speaker 6: entire life.
Speaker 2: But did she did she enter?
Speaker 6: My great she did?
Speaker 2: She's born here. Yeah, got it.
Speaker 6: My grandpa on my dad's side entered in illegally.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm not here to like insult your grandpa, right,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, But we must be very clear that
Speaker 1: the type of immigration that we support is when you
Speaker 1: follow our rules and you come on our terms, and
Speaker 1: that you do not break into a country uninvited and
Speaker 1: you try to cut Can I add something to that.
Speaker 6: The reason why he left, and a lot of people
Speaker 6: in Mexico do, is because of the political state, especially
Speaker 6: in the seventies and eighties when they decided to move.
Speaker 6: They have a government that isn't supportive of their constituents
Speaker 6: and because of drug problems there, their only choice was
Speaker 6: to move.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally sympathize. That's not true.
Speaker 1: It's never the only choice to commit a crime, and
Speaker 1: we should not put up with it. And so it
Speaker 1: is an insult to other immigrants from Vietnam and Laos
Speaker 1: in Pakistan that have to wait decades in line to
Speaker 1: morally equivalate people that come in and just break in. Oh,
Speaker 1: I have an unstable country, like half of the world's
Speaker 1: countries are unstable. So we just have to be very
Speaker 1: clear with this is that if you come into the
Speaker 1: country uninvited, you have committed a crime and you are
Speaker 1: a criminal. And we could decide that we're not going
Speaker 1: to enforce our laws, or we can say that when
Speaker 1: you are a criminal, you should then be punished for
Speaker 1: that crime aka sent back to your country of origin
Speaker 1: because you were not invited. And it is an insult
Speaker 1: again to the polls and to the Checklesovakians and from
Speaker 1: the Senegalese and people all across the world that don't
Speaker 1: have the proximity of luxury, just to waltz into America.
Speaker 6: You call it a luxury to leave a country that
Speaker 6: has political tyranny and come into a country.
Speaker 1: With all the tay yes to live in Mexico, to
Speaker 1: be able to go you one hundred miles north and
Speaker 1: break into America. Do you know how many people Pakistan
Speaker 1: would kill to be on that border?
Speaker 2: That's why we bring them in?
Speaker 1: Well, we shouldn't, right, that's the point. And secondly, do
Speaker 1: you do you think that you have a right to
Speaker 1: immigrate to America.
Speaker 6: I think that I didn't have a choice. My grandparents
Speaker 6: made that decision.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to attack your grandparents, but no
Speaker 1: one has a right to go to anybody else's country.
Speaker 1: You are invited. It is a privilege, not a right
Speaker 1: to come into America.
Speaker 6: It's a privilege to live a life that requires you
Speaker 6: to have clean water, clean food. Y. Of course it is,
Speaker 6: and you have to fight for that.
Speaker 2: Yes it is not.
Speaker 6: But we didn't hold on a set well born here.
Speaker 3: We may fight for that.
Speaker 1: Well, my ancestors did fight for that, actually, and I'm
Speaker 1: a very thankful recipient of many generations of Americans that
Speaker 1: fought for the greatest nation ever time.
Speaker 6: What coming here.
Speaker 1: Well, illegally what wait, what did my ancestors do.
Speaker 2: They came here.
Speaker 1: They came over here in sixteen twenty, fought in the
Speaker 1: Revolutionary War, fought in the Civil War, fought w Because my.
Speaker 6: Grandfather didn't come here in sixteen twenty, it gives him
Speaker 6: no right to He.
Speaker 1: Can fill up paperwork and wait in line like the
Speaker 1: rest of the world, and then we can see, we
Speaker 1: can see whether or not it's in our best interest
Speaker 1: to allow him to come in. And so we have
Speaker 1: to weigh costs and benefits. Do you think that the
Speaker 1: American government should first have an obligation to citizens before foreigners?
Speaker 6: Hm?
Speaker 2: Okay, I think we have as good question. Here's the thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're obligated because we're citizens to have the rights
Speaker 6: that we have, but that doesn't mean we can't.
Speaker 2: Open up our orders a lot of seconds.
Speaker 1: So, you, being a younger American and everyone in the
Speaker 1: audience is the first generation in American history to have
Speaker 1: it be worse off than your parents. So the socials
Speaker 1: and you agree with that social contract poor more expensive.
Speaker 1: So wouldn't it be rational for the American government to
Speaker 1: say we're going to prioritize younger generation Americans? That are
Speaker 1: American passport holders and citizens before those in another nation.
Speaker 6: I don't think. I don't I don't want to say
Speaker 6: anything that offends people, But you go ahead, said it, right,
Speaker 6: I've already said it whatever. I think that the way
Speaker 6: we're going about it is wrong, and that if we
Speaker 6: don't have a clear path to citizenship, we won't open
Speaker 6: up those opportunities for people to come and seek a
Speaker 6: good life.
Speaker 2: But I also think that, yeah.
Speaker 6: We are required to have those rights.
Speaker 1: Are speaking, A good life is fine, It's a nice
Speaker 1: added benefit. Our government does not exist to improve the
Speaker 1: life of foreign citizens.
Speaker 6: A government should be open to the idea of excepting.
Speaker 1: Of course we are if we have our own house
Speaker 1: in order. We are in chaos right now. We have
Speaker 1: the most depressed, suicidal, anxious generation history. Our birth rate
Speaker 1: is collapsing. Kids can't afford homes. You guys are are
Speaker 1: drowning in debt. You have to compete against jobs, You
Speaker 1: have to compete for jobs against foreigners. Our country is
Speaker 1: a mess right now. And so when your country is
Speaker 1: a mess and your home is in disarray and bedlam,
Speaker 1: your own government should say time out. I have a
Speaker 1: heart for the people of Haiti, I have a heart
Speaker 1: for the people of every country, but you're not coming
Speaker 1: here until this generation at least has it as good
Speaker 1: as their parents. And that is a very simple moral statement.
Speaker 1: If when you bring people in, they make the life
Speaker 1: worse for the people that were already here, should we
Speaker 1: stop letting those people in?
Speaker 2: Do they though? Yes they do.
Speaker 1: Illegals every day are doing DUIs and kids are dying
Speaker 1: across the country.
Speaker 6: But if Americans are doing this, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Well it's not fine. They should go to jail.
Speaker 1: But this is the red herring is that Americans are
Speaker 1: invited guests. Foreigners are people that broke into the country
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be here, and none of those crimes should
Speaker 1: be happening at all. One of them is a crime
Speaker 1: of choice. The other is just a crime, because that's
Speaker 1: part of what happens when you have a society.
Speaker 2: So when you have Americans that are murdered.
Speaker 1: By illegals, that is because we have decided and chosen
Speaker 1: we're okay with them being here, and if they kill
Speaker 1: our people, no big deal.
Speaker 6: That's I'm just trying to I know we're not going
Speaker 6: to agree on It's.
Speaker 2: That's why I came up here.
Speaker 1: Are you okay with deporting every illegal person that's here.
Speaker 6: No, why because there's some people here that are not
Speaker 6: represented well by the media. There's a lot of illegal
Speaker 6: immigrants here that are working their butts off for the life.
Speaker 2: No, I don't care if they're working hard.
Speaker 1: But the point is, what should the punishment be for
Speaker 1: breaking into a country?
Speaker 6: Depends on the crime you commit after you break into it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it. I'm talking about. Just the crime is
Speaker 1: breaking in. What should the punishment be? I break into
Speaker 1: somebody's home, what should their punishment be?
Speaker 2: Can you repeat that? Oh?
Speaker 1: So if you behave after you get here, that's fine.
Speaker 1: So to play that out. If someone comes into your
Speaker 1: dorm room uninvited and they do the dishes and laundry,
Speaker 1: they can stay.
Speaker 6: If I'm not going to do my own dishes, heck yeah,
Speaker 6: they're doing my dishes for me.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 6: If they don't kill me, I'm not dead.
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Well, they are killing a lot of Americans. But you
Speaker 2: say they like.
Speaker 6: They are they all illegal immigrants kill people.
Speaker 2: Many illegals do. Actually they're no. But it's just interesting.
Speaker 1: The punishment for the crime of breaking into a nation
Speaker 1: should be what it is in Switzerland and Israel and Hungry.
Speaker 1: Every person who breaks into a nation uninvited goes back
Speaker 1: to their country of origin.
Speaker 2: Period.
Speaker 6: Is there an emphasis on the southern border.
Speaker 1: Because most people come illegally through the southern border.
Speaker 6: The point I'm trying to make is that we categorize
Speaker 6: all illegal immigrants under the same thing, sex traffickers, drug dealers.
Speaker 6: Are you saying all illegal immigrants have to be deported?
Speaker 6: You're applying that all of them, and not a small
Speaker 6: percentage of that.
Speaker 1: If you come into a country uninvited, definitionally you are
Speaker 1: a criminal.
Speaker 6: We're just not going to agree.
Speaker 2: That's fine. Then final question, what is a criminal?
Speaker 6: What is a criminal?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: Would you agree with the definition that a criminal is
Speaker 1: someone who breaks the law?
Speaker 2: M Here's where I'm thinking, I don't. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: I know how he's gonna turn it, and I don't.
Speaker 1: Fell it's not a matter of turning it. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a very abc sequence. If they're not criminals, then
Speaker 1: tell me what a criminal. And a criminal is obviously
Speaker 1: someone who breaks the law. Someone who comes across the
Speaker 1: sounin border broke federal law. Therefore, they are a criminal.
Speaker 2: Okay, then we can just disagree. For more on many
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