WEBVTT - The Conservative Movement After 9/10: The Path Forward 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.360 My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.960 American student organization in the country, fighting for the future 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.360 of our republic. My call is to fight evil and 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.520 to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.919 is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.200 if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.400 up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.600 stop sending your kids to college. 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I recommend to my family, friends and viewers. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:15.840 Without further ado, the Great Michael Knowles. I'm so much 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:16.440 to see you. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:17.440 How are you. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.720 Michael, you're always looking so dapper. Stop it, get out. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.520 You're gonna flattery will get you somewhere. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:24.080 It will get you. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.039 So I did have this thought, I said yesterday I 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:28.759 was on the main stage, you know, so I had 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.360 to have my more official Republican blue suit, red tie, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.920 you know, But I said, this is more the casual death. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.679 It is a purple I like to call it aubergine, 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.319 but it is purple in fact. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.160 All right, so your boss said some crazy stuff last night. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.760 You know, I don't know who'll put together the calendar, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.600 the schedule of events. But look, I said, okay, Charlie 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:50.880 actually did that. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.080 It's actually this is this is Charlie special I get 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.320 Opening night is basically that's right right toward the top. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.680 We got Ben and we got Tucker and I looked 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:01.640 at so here I am right in the middle. It's 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.000 kind of like being in the middle of India and Pakistan, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.000 in the middle of Iran in Iraq. But it was 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.360 funny too, because the point of my speech was to say, Okay, 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.640 what did Charlie do. Charlie did a million things. We 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.760 were just talking about this backstage. Charlie did a million things, right, 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.480 He debated at the top levels, he fundraised at the 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.880 top levels. He did, he organized, he campaigned, he did this, 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.520 that and the other, wrote books, right, but the distinctive 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.639 thing that he did was build and maintain coalitions, often 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.600 thanklessly behind the scenes, mediating, negotiating, sorting things out, keeping 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.639 some people out, you're too kind, keeping people in, even 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.960 people in who hate each other's guts, and you know, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.640 always moving forward toward a goal. So I get up 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.160 there and I say, you know, I think my thesis 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.480 is going to be blessed or the peacemakers. This is 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:54.760 Charlie's distinctive quality. We need to emulate this leoh yeah, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.360 and then and then what happens, No one agrees with me, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.760 and everyone starts to throw an elbow the whole night. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.519 Okay, well never mind, I'll be over the bar. Listened. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.840 The audience liked Russell Brand's prayer and his whole thing 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.080 last night, right you guys, Yeah, they didn't have his 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.520 high marks for you. But that's okay, that's why you're here. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:14.799 That's why you're here. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.440 I'm so glad that you had Russell come in, because 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.919 you know, it opens up. Erica gives her beautiful speech 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.160 then Ben just starts throwing elbows everywhere, and I said, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:27.600 hold on, and then you know Tucker is going to 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.400 be punching back at Ben, and I said, I really 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.440 need Russell to come their shirt button down to the navel. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.280 You know, I don't know, talking about some kind of hippet. 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.440 It was great, it was really it was a nice 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.160 palette cleanser, it really it was. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.440 The evening went well. But then of course the headlines 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.600 were maga civil war, Maga mayhem. They were like looking 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.600 for all the m words they could they could put 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.560 the Daily Mail in a headline. So what do you 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.000 make of that? What is this? Is this healthy? Is 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:57.240 this destructive? Is this? 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:57.680 You know? 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:58.840 What do you make of it? When you think of 0:03:58.880 --> 0:03:59.600 twenty twenty six? 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.640 So look, you know, I mean my speech last night 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.320 was contrary to maybe some of the other ones, which 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.520 is that I think it's very important to recognize it. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.680 There's a coalition Charlie built. And maybe you like that 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.640 he invited some people. Maybe you wish he didn't invite 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.599 some people in. Maybe you wish he invited people in 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.280 that he excluded. I don't know, I don't really care. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:19.880 He built a team. This is the team. This is 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.000 the army. Okay, everyone here, all of you, this massive 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.640 gathering of people on the stage and more off the stage. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.080 You're on the team, okay. And so the team has 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:29.800 a purpose, the team has a goal, and you got 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.400 to move down the field and you got to win. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.880 And the losers make policy. The winners make policy, and 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:38.200 the losers go home. So my view is, we don't 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.000 want to paper over our differences. We're in a period 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.080 of extreme flux right now. Obviously we're coming to the 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.760 end of the Trump era. Trump has dominated, he's been 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.480 the big dog for ten years. The air apparent, obviously 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:54.000 is JD. Vans. So whenever there's a transition like that, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.120 there's going to be a big shift, and all the 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.840 differences in the factions that have existed for decades are 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.480 to come out, and people are going to buy for 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:06.760 position in their view. My view is we should try 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.279 to work those out in a way that is productive, 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:14.880 that offers grace to people. That because if you take 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.200 the infighting to its extreme and you say, look, give 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.960 me what I want or I'm taking my ball and 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.760 going home, well then we lose, you know, and then 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.080 the left wins, and I guess One of my very 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.359 practical points in that speech is the left makes no 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:33.080 distinction between any of those people on the stage, okay, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.520 and they will go after us all together. So we 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.520 have to win. This is an insight from Charlie that 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.960 you don't always get from pundits, because it's easy to 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.279 have an opinion, and opinions are interesting, and especially some 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.599 of the drama online is really interesting and titillating. But 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.640 Charlie wanted to win, and Charlie did win, and Charlie 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.840 like kept winning, and Charlie insisted upon not just having 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.400 this great Trump era but getting the next guy in 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.680 and building on that and building and so that even 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.120 these conferences would go from a thousand people or I 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.640 don't like fifty people to a thousand people, to five 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.360 thousand people, to fifteen thousand people to now whatever, thirty 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.240 thousand plus. It's just completely had capacity. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:12.640 We need it. 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.039 We need a bigger convention, We need a bigger convention center. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.120 Yes, that's right, And so I just think you have 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.960 to keep the focus on winning, not yes, sort out 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.520 your differences, have your fun debate club, but really, you know, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:23.320 work those issues. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.240 But when you know, what's crazy to me is when 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.840 I see like eighteen year old Charlie, you know, like 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.120 on Neil Cavudo or it's like local Chicago News and 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.480 he's like, you know, we've got fifteen Chaptists and he's 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:34.599 got the Chicago accent. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.919 He's like, and we're going to build an institution and 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.120 it's gonna be you know, se Al Capone. It blows 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.000 my mind this first Neil Cavudo where he was like, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.400 we've been having tremendous success on Twitter and it's been 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.800 and I'm like, this is It's like the guy was 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.359 just so ahead of it. He was always driven that 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.360 way and you know, so it's to your point though, 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.960 it's like I want to, you know, talk about this coalition. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:00.800 We did a thing before you out on here, but 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.040 you should see it again. And uh, for the folks 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.040 at home, just take my word for it. So who 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:11.880 last night appreciated the Ben Shapiro approach, hands up your 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.600 glasses a little more than half the room, And who 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:19.000 appreciated the Tucker Carlson approach half the room? It yeah, 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.880 fifty to fifty. So if you wonder why Charlie constructed 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.000 an opening night the way. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.880 He did, hey, hold on, you left one who appreciated 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:25.800 the Michael Noles approach. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:27.240 Yeah, that's the whole room. 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.440 That's a look at that. Yeah yeah, thank you even 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:31.320 get a whoop in there. 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:32.000 Yeah. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:36.480 So, but when we talk about what we are dealing with, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.200 you mentioned that this stuff had been simmering under the 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.880 surface for years. I mean, you could go back to 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.600 Buckley and the Birchers, and it's like some of this 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.480 stuff is his old as time and it's not going 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:49.080 to go away. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.480 Go back to Roosevelt and Taft. I mean, you know 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:52.560 what I mean, you can keep going. 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.480 But when we talk about where this goes and kind 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.320 of a sifting, a settling, hopefully we come back together 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.280 these you don't expect necessarily some of the fault lines 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:03.400 to go away. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.400 Yes, Look, I think Ben made a very important point 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.040 that I think most people would agree with, which is 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.080 a political coalition has to have boundaries. Not everyone gets 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:13.560 to come in, just like not everyone gets to come 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.680 into the country, Not everyone gets to come into the coalition. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.120 So that in principle is true where a lot of 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.680 the Civil War is going to take places. What they're 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.920 going to say, you need to adopt my economic policy 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.040 or you're not a true conservative. You need to adopt 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.920 my migration policy, my foreign policy, or you're not a 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.520 true conservative. That's where those battles have been taking place, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.360 going back to the fifties, into the nineties, after the 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.560 Cold War, and in the two thousands and to the present. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.199 I think that's BS. And here's my proof that that's BS. 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.520 The Republican Party now, I guess, supports tariffs, though some 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.120 people in the coalition hate that. Previously, for most of 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.520 my lifetime, the Republican Party hated tariffs. But you know 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.440 what's kind of funny. The Republican Party was founded on tariffs. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.640 It's like a ram Lincoln said, give me a tariff, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.600 I'll give you the greatest country in the world. Does 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.880 that mean, therefore, that we have to support tariffs at 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.720 any given time or during the I don't know. The 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:08.760 Actually Reagan kind of like tariffs too, but the Reaganites 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.079 hated tariffs. Does that mean we have to hate tariffs 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.600 to be a true concert No, because politics involves applying 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.559 eternal principles to constantly changing circumstances. We used to be 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.320 the party of foreign policy restraint and then we you know, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.200 like bomb the whole Middle East, and now we're the 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:27.720 Party of restraint. Again, does that tell us some eternal 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.280 fact about the party? I don't think so. I don't 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.640 think it's hypocrisy, for instance, to change your economic views 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.320 to some degree to meet new circumstances. A generation that 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.400 now can afford housing, a generation that's being priced out 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.080 of food. Both issues, by the way, tied to mass migration, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.960 which was cheered on by Conservatives after the Conservatives opposed it. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:52.160 So no, you can change these things. That's called being responsive. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.600 Not being responsive is what caused the Left to get 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.439 completely blown out of the water in the last election, 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.880 because they were so detached from reality that they thought 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:00.720 boys could be girls and and all the rest of it. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.640 We have to be responsive, But I do think there 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.160 are some non negotiables. So one non negotiable, I would say, 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.040 and I think Charlie was so clear about this. If 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.880 you advocate injustice, if you are cruel, if you promote 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.680 a vulgar hatred on the basis of race or sex 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.600 or religion, you're off the team. You know, it's that 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.360 sort of stuff is wrong in itself and it's politically toxic. 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.079 And I thought, I thought Charlie has done a great 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:30.000 job of keeping that riff raff out After that, things 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.560 are kind of up for grabs. So what you know, 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.480 what are the what are the what are the low bar? 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.720 What are the yes that's the low bar of exclusion? 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.400 What are the things that we affirmatively have to believe in. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.400 I think you have to love the country. Uh, you know, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.120 you have to. You have to be like Trump and 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.440 hug the American flag. Which was was that the cover 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.439 of the Maga Doctrine by Charlie Kirk was that I 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.480 seem to remember that when Trump hugged the flag. I 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.040 love that. Some people thought it was weird or cheesy 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:55.760 or something. No, I thought that was so genuine. This 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.480 guy loves the flag. So if you're the kind of 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.079 person who doesn't love the country, he wants to fundamentally 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.440 transform the country, to use Obama's words, wants to burn 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.440 the symbol of the country, you're off my team. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.360 We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries, and 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.040 today I want to point you to their podcast. It's 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.280 called Culture in Christianity, the Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.720 it unique is Pastor Allan's biblical perspective. 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If you don't believe that, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.680 if you think America is like just an idea or 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.080 not an idea, like every idea floating and outter. If 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.760 you think it's nothing, you're not on the team to me. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.680 You know, you've got to really defend the real American people. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:42.600 Yeah, so we accept there's a few, maybe a tiny 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.240 number of things that you just exclude on you have ideas. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.280 We have that clash between Ben and Tucker last night. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.200 Do you believe that they have the same assumptions about 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.760 those same core things or is that in conflict at 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:54.479 all between. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:59.240 Them about about what what the core nature of a 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.760 conservative part in America should be. No, they riotously disagree 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.400 on a number of issues. What's kind of funny though, 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.480 As I was listening to their speeches, Ben adopts a 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:14.520 more classically liberal approach, and Tucker's response and defense also 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.520 took a classically liberal approach. He said, we should judge 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.960 people as individuals. There should be no restrictions on free speech. 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:22.600 And I had this kind of funny thought, which is, 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.560 I don't think I'm exactly mediating between these two guys, 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:31.000 because if we debated those fundamental premises, they would probably agree, 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.240 and I would disagree with them. 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.079 You know, there are ways in which you'd be like, so, 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.680 Pat Buchanan said Russell Kirk. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:42.040 Definitely, yeah, yeah, And so no, they riotously disagree on 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:47.120 foreign policy, on economic policy, and they probably agree on immigration, 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.040 I guess, But no, they disagree. And I think those 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.840 debates are good. The debates that actually focus on real 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:58.000 policy challenges. I think that is good and productive and healthy. Look, 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.880 and both of these guys can codemned the thing that 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:06.280 I also condemned anything that gets down to, uh, you know, injustice, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.480 hatreds animosities based on race or religion or whatever. You know, 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.200 I think that that is so ugly and counterproductive that that, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:15.240 you know that stop. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.040 Stopped trying to bait me into the Catholic debate. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:21.200 Yeah, and to quote Arthur's, the deepest prejudice in American 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.280 history is anti Catholicism. But you know, we don't have 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:23.840 to get into it. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.400 So so I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on the 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:26.440 spot here just a little bit. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:28.600 You know, you've never done that. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.640 They only ask three or four piercing follow up questions. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.600 I'm just kidding. Yeah, I mean, listen, you exist at 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.360 a company that's been at the sort of you know, 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.640 with Ben obviously he's Jewish, there's been a lot turns out. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.120 I saw the yamaka myself. I did, and did you 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:45.520 touch it? 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:46.120 Though I did? 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.480 I know better than so, you know, this is the 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.440 open question. I was recently on the Ross Stautit podcast 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.400 New York Times. Had a great time, really great guy. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.400 I love, good interviewer, and you know, he kept trying 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.320 to get me to go into the Israel debate. And 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.240 my perspective, well, who cares about that? You're on the show, 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.720 tell us what is your perspective about what? You know, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.960 we're talking about coalitions. What did you do with Israel? 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.240 Yeah, Israel has been one of the dividing lines, especially 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.000 for the online right, I think less so for the 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.720 broader public right, but especially for the online right, especially 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.680 for the young right. And I think it's perfectly reasonable 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.360 that that would come up after this massive GDZ of war, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.000 not only the realities of that war, but also the 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.280 propaganda from both sides of that war that was you know, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.440 but especially anti Israel propaganda. That is a real thing. Obviously, 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.640 it happens in war. So what do we do? I 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.240 guess I hosted a debate on this actually yesterday on 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.120 my show, which is should America continue to support Israel? 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.280 And I guess you have to get even more particular 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.800 than that. My position on the Gaza war was that 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.240 the war had to wrap up. That you know, we 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.880 have a long standing affection for Israel. Richard Nixon famously 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.640 saved Israel. Israel would have been destroyed in seventy three, 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:08.760 but he saved Israel. We have I think we have 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:13.200 more culturally and politically in common with with Israel than 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.560 with Israel's enemies, and so I think there is a 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.680 there is a reason. It's not a deceit, it's not 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.120 just a fraud. There is a reason that we tend 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.600 to look more favorably on Israel than on some of 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.560 Israel's enemies. But it can go too far. I mean, 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.160 when some people say that we have a religious demand 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.360 that we must, you know, support the nation's state of 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.440 Israel and all things, I think that's kind of crazy. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.680 When people say that the Nation of Israel is the 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.400 greatest ally that America's ever had, I don't see any 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.720 evidence of that you know, it can be a good ally, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:47.400 but that's such an extreme statement that we must always 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.360 you know, stand with Israel, that you know, we need 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.720 Israel more than Israel needs Some people have said all 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.160 these things. I think that's just taking the argument too 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:59.040 far and it turns people off. Now, on the flip 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.760 side of that, when people, you know, it's kind of 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.240 like when people realize that feminism is wrong and they 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:08.199 become misogynists for a period just out of their contrarian nature. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.040 You know, to recognize that the relationship with Israel is 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.119 complex and there are reasons to support Israel, but there 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.199 are obviously limits around. That is not to say that 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.240 we need to start wearing the gefeas in marching with 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.840 Greta Thunberg. Okay, it's not to say that, you know, hey, guys, 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.200 I know what we can do. We can form a 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.600 Christian Islamic alliance and that will lead to a period 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.640 of world peace. I have about fourteen hundred years of history. 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:32.720 I don't know how much time we have on the 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.120 show today, but about fourteen hundred years history to say 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.479 that's probably not going to work. And of course, the 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.080 migrant crisis in Europe into a lesser degree in America 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.760 is being driven in no small part by the unassimilability 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.119 of Islam. So how do we deal with Israel? I 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.040 thought that Trump's approach to this was quite right, which 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.080 is that, look, you just want the war to end, 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.520 you want to have some peace and stability in the region. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.680 And what it would be best for the American right 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.199 is not to pick you know, all or nothing on Israel, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:07.760 but for the importance of Israel to diminish in the 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.840 minds of right wing voters. It just shouldn't be the 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.240 top issue. I think for most people, maybe for anybody. Uh, 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.800 that would be my answer. That's a people are going 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.600 to call that a moderate answer or an unsatisfying answer, 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.680 because it's either we need to be chanting from the 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.920 river to the sea, you know, the Arabs will be free, 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.720 or we need to all put on yamaka's or something. 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.159 But I don't want to do I don't want to 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:28.840 put on a kefia. I don't want to put on 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.720 a yamaka. I want to recognize long standing alliances and 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:32.680 be prudent about it. 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.760 Yeah, it's it's a thing Charlie would talk about that. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.399 It's just it would be a very dumb thing to 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:41.800 destroy the Conservative coalition over our attitude towards what is 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.720 ultimately a foreign country. Yeah, and just for most people, 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.639 that is not what matters in your life nearly as 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.080 much as the economy, whether you can have a family, 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.679 whether you own a home, what our immigration policy is. 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:58.040 And it's sort of a touch grass thing. Get get 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.000 offline a little bit. 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.760 Yeah, yeah, I mean that the notion gosh. I mean, 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.200 I have had people kind of young, very online people, 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:06.960 but they'll come up to me in public. I'll be 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.800 in a cigar shop, I'll what do you think of Israel? 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.440 I don't think about Israel all that much. If I'm 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.720 being totally frank about it. But if you want my 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.800 really boring, dry answer, here you go. You know, here's 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.280