1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: American student organization in the country, fighting for the future 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: of our republic. My call is to fight evil and 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: stop sending your kids to college. You should get married 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: Go start at turning point, you would say, college chapter. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Go start at turning point, you say high school chapter. 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: up and become an activist. I gave my life to 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: made in my life. 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: And I encourage you to do the same. 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Here I am Lord, Use me. Buckle up, everybody, Here 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: we go. 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Stop it, get out. 25 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: You're gonna flattery will get you somewhere. 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: It will get you. 27 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: So I did have this thought, I said yesterday I 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 3: was on the main stage, you know, so I had 29 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: to have my more official Republican blue suit, red tie, 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: you know, But I said, this is more the casual death. 31 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 3: It is a purple I like to call it aubergine, 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 3: but it is purple in fact. 33 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: All right, so your boss said some crazy stuff last night. 34 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know who'll put together the calendar, 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: the schedule of events. But look, I said, okay, Charlie 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: actually did that. 37 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: It's actually this is this is Charlie special I get 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: Opening night is basically that's right right toward the top. 39 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: We got Ben and we got Tucker and I looked 40 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: at so here I am right in the middle. It's 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: kind of like being in the middle of India and Pakistan, 42 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: in the middle of Iran in Iraq. But it was 43 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 3: funny too, because the point of my speech was to say, Okay, 44 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: what did Charlie do. Charlie did a million things. We 45 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: were just talking about this backstage. Charlie did a million things, right, 46 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: He debated at the top levels, he fundraised at the 47 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: top levels. He did, he organized, he campaigned, he did this, 48 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 3: that and the other, wrote books, right, but the distinctive 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: thing that he did was build and maintain coalitions, often 50 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: thanklessly behind the scenes, mediating, negotiating, sorting things out, keeping 51 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 3: some people out, you're too kind, keeping people in, even 52 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: people in who hate each other's guts, and you know, 53 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 3: always moving forward toward a goal. So I get up 54 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: there and I say, you know, I think my thesis 55 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: is going to be blessed or the peacemakers. This is 56 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: Charlie's distinctive quality. We need to emulate this leoh yeah, 57 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: and then and then what happens, No one agrees with me, 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: and everyone starts to throw an elbow the whole night. 59 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 2: Okay, well never mind, I'll be over the bar. Listened. 60 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: The audience liked Russell Brand's prayer and his whole thing 61 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: last night, right you guys, Yeah, they didn't have his 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: high marks for you. But that's okay, that's why you're here. 63 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: That's why you're here. 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you had Russell come in, because 65 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: you know, it opens up. Erica gives her beautiful speech 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: then Ben just starts throwing elbows everywhere, and I said, 67 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: hold on, and then you know Tucker is going to 68 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: be punching back at Ben, and I said, I really 69 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: need Russell to come their shirt button down to the navel. 70 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, talking about some kind of hippet. 71 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: It was great, it was really it was a nice 72 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: palette cleanser, it really it was. 73 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: The evening went well. But then of course the headlines 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: were maga civil war, Maga mayhem. They were like looking 75 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: for all the m words they could they could put 76 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: the Daily Mail in a headline. So what do you 77 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: make of that? What is this? Is this healthy? Is 78 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: this destructive? Is this? 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: You know? 80 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: What do you make of it? When you think of 81 00:03:58,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six? 82 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: So look, you know, I mean my speech last night 83 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: was contrary to maybe some of the other ones, which 84 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: is that I think it's very important to recognize it. 85 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: There's a coalition Charlie built. And maybe you like that 86 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: he invited some people. Maybe you wish he didn't invite 87 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 3: some people in. Maybe you wish he invited people in 88 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: that he excluded. I don't know, I don't really care. 89 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: He built a team. This is the team. This is 90 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: the army. Okay, everyone here, all of you, this massive 91 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: gathering of people on the stage and more off the stage. 92 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: You're on the team, okay. And so the team has 93 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: a purpose, the team has a goal, and you got 94 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: to move down the field and you got to win. 95 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 3: And the losers make policy. The winners make policy, and 96 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: the losers go home. So my view is, we don't 97 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: want to paper over our differences. We're in a period 98 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: of extreme flux right now. Obviously we're coming to the 99 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: end of the Trump era. Trump has dominated, he's been 100 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: the big dog for ten years. The air apparent, obviously 101 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: is JD. Vans. So whenever there's a transition like that, 102 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: there's going to be a big shift, and all the 103 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: differences in the factions that have existed for decades are 104 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: to come out, and people are going to buy for 105 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: position in their view. My view is we should try 106 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 3: to work those out in a way that is productive, 107 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: that offers grace to people. That because if you take 108 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: the infighting to its extreme and you say, look, give 109 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: me what I want or I'm taking my ball and 110 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: going home, well then we lose, you know, and then 111 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: the left wins, and I guess One of my very 112 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 3: practical points in that speech is the left makes no 113 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: distinction between any of those people on the stage, okay, 114 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: and they will go after us all together. So we 115 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: have to win. This is an insight from Charlie that 116 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: you don't always get from pundits, because it's easy to 117 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: have an opinion, and opinions are interesting, and especially some 118 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 3: of the drama online is really interesting and titillating. But 119 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: Charlie wanted to win, and Charlie did win, and Charlie 120 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 3: like kept winning, and Charlie insisted upon not just having 121 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: this great Trump era but getting the next guy in 122 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 3: and building on that and building and so that even 123 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: these conferences would go from a thousand people or I 124 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: don't like fifty people to a thousand people, to five 125 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: thousand people, to fifteen thousand people to now whatever, thirty 126 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: thousand plus. It's just completely had capacity. 127 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: We need it. 128 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 4: We need a bigger convention, We need a bigger convention center. 129 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, And so I just think you have 130 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: to keep the focus on winning, not yes, sort out 131 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: your differences, have your fun debate club, but really, you know, 132 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: work those issues. 133 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: But when you know, what's crazy to me is when 134 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: I see like eighteen year old Charlie, you know, like 135 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: on Neil Cavudo or it's like local Chicago News and 136 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: he's like, you know, we've got fifteen Chaptists and he's 137 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: got the Chicago accent. 138 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 5: He's like, and we're going to build an institution and 139 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 5: it's gonna be you know, se Al Capone. It blows 140 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 5: my mind this first Neil Cavudo where he was like, 141 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 5: we've been having tremendous success on Twitter and it's been 142 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 5: and I'm like, this is It's like the guy was 143 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 5: just so ahead of it. He was always driven that 144 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 5: way and you know, so it's to your point though, 145 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 5: it's like I want to, you know, talk about this coalition. 146 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: We did a thing before you out on here, but 147 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: you should see it again. And uh, for the folks 148 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: at home, just take my word for it. So who 149 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: last night appreciated the Ben Shapiro approach, hands up your 150 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: glasses a little more than half the room, And who 151 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: appreciated the Tucker Carlson approach half the room? It yeah, 152 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: fifty to fifty. So if you wonder why Charlie constructed 153 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: an opening night the way. 154 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: He did, hey, hold on, you left one who appreciated 155 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: the Michael Noles approach. 156 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the whole room. 157 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: That's a look at that. Yeah yeah, thank you even 158 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: get a whoop in there. 159 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 160 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: So, but when we talk about what we are dealing with, 161 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: you mentioned that this stuff had been simmering under the 162 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: surface for years. I mean, you could go back to 163 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: Buckley and the Birchers, and it's like some of this 164 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: stuff is his old as time and it's not going 165 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: to go away. 166 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: Go back to Roosevelt and Taft. I mean, you know 167 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: what I mean, you can keep going. 168 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: But when we talk about where this goes and kind 169 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: of a sifting, a settling, hopefully we come back together 170 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: these you don't expect necessarily some of the fault lines 171 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: to go away. 172 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: Yes, Look, I think Ben made a very important point 173 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: that I think most people would agree with, which is 174 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: a political coalition has to have boundaries. Not everyone gets 175 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: to come in, just like not everyone gets to come 176 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: into the country, Not everyone gets to come into the coalition. 177 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: So that in principle is true where a lot of 178 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: the Civil War is going to take places. What they're 179 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: going to say, you need to adopt my economic policy 180 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: or you're not a true conservative. You need to adopt 181 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: my migration policy, my foreign policy, or you're not a 182 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: true conservative. That's where those battles have been taking place, 183 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: going back to the fifties, into the nineties, after the 184 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: Cold War, and in the two thousands and to the present. 185 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 3: I think that's BS. And here's my proof that that's BS. 186 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: The Republican Party now, I guess, supports tariffs, though some 187 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: people in the coalition hate that. Previously, for most of 188 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: my lifetime, the Republican Party hated tariffs. But you know 189 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: what's kind of funny. The Republican Party was founded on tariffs. 190 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: It's like a ram Lincoln said, give me a tariff, 191 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: I'll give you the greatest country in the world. Does 192 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: that mean, therefore, that we have to support tariffs at 193 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: any given time or during the I don't know. The 194 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: Actually Reagan kind of like tariffs too, but the Reaganites 195 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 3: hated tariffs. Does that mean we have to hate tariffs 196 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: to be a true concert No, because politics involves applying 197 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 3: eternal principles to constantly changing circumstances. We used to be 198 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: the party of foreign policy restraint and then we you know, 199 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: like bomb the whole Middle East, and now we're the 200 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: Party of restraint. Again, does that tell us some eternal 201 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: fact about the party? I don't think so. I don't 202 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: think it's hypocrisy, for instance, to change your economic views 203 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 3: to some degree to meet new circumstances. A generation that 204 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: now can afford housing, a generation that's being priced out 205 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 3: of food. Both issues, by the way, tied to mass migration, 206 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 3: which was cheered on by Conservatives after the Conservatives opposed it. 207 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: So no, you can change these things. That's called being responsive. 208 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: Not being responsive is what caused the Left to get 209 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 3: completely blown out of the water in the last election, 210 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: because they were so detached from reality that they thought 211 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: boys could be girls and and all the rest of it. 212 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: We have to be responsive, But I do think there 213 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: are some non negotiables. So one non negotiable, I would say, 214 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: and I think Charlie was so clear about this. If 215 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: you advocate injustice, if you are cruel, if you promote 216 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: a vulgar hatred on the basis of race or sex 217 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: or religion, you're off the team. You know, it's that 218 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: sort of stuff is wrong in itself and it's politically toxic. 219 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 3: And I thought, I thought Charlie has done a great 220 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: job of keeping that riff raff out After that, things 221 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: are kind of up for grabs. So what you know, 222 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: what are the what are the what are the low bar? 223 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: What are the yes that's the low bar of exclusion? 224 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: What are the things that we affirmatively have to believe in. 225 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: I think you have to love the country. Uh, you know, 226 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: you have to. You have to be like Trump and 227 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 3: hug the American flag. Which was was that the cover 228 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 3: of the Maga Doctrine by Charlie Kirk was that I 229 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: seem to remember that when Trump hugged the flag. I 230 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: love that. Some people thought it was weird or cheesy 231 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: or something. No, I thought that was so genuine. This 232 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: guy loves the flag. So if you're the kind of 233 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: person who doesn't love the country, he wants to fundamentally 234 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: transform the country, to use Obama's words, wants to burn 235 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 3: the symbol of the country, you're off my team. 236 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries, and 237 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: today I want to point you to their podcast. It's 238 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: called Culture in Christianity, the Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes 239 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: it unique is Pastor Allan's biblical perspective. He takes the 240 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're 241 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge Trump, and the 242 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: White House issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss 243 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: the problems in every episode, he gives practical things we 244 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible 245 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: expertise and powerful testimonies. They've been great friends and now 246 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: you can hear from Charlie in his own words. 247 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: Each episode will make you recognize the power of your 248 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: faith and how God can use your life to impact 249 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: our world today. The Culture in Christianity podcast is informative 250 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: and encouraging. You could find it on YouTube, Spotify, or 251 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to subscribe so 252 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: you don't miss any episodes. Alan Jackson Ministries is working 253 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: hard to bring biblical truth back into our culture. You 254 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry 255 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: at Alan Jackson dot com. 256 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: Forward slash Charlie, Uh, what else do you You have 257 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: to believe? There's a real thing as an American people, 258 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: and people assimilate into that, just as Ruth assimilates into 259 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: the Israelites and is in the genealogy of Christ. But 260 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: there's still Israelites. Okay, there's still, uh, there's still particular nations, 261 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 3: there's still an American people. If you don't believe that, 262 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: if you think America is like just an idea or 263 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 3: not an idea, like every idea floating and outter. If 264 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: you think it's nothing, you're not on the team to me. 265 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 3: You know, you've got to really defend the real American people. 266 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we accept there's a few, maybe a tiny 267 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 4: number of things that you just exclude on you have ideas. 268 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: We have that clash between Ben and Tucker last night. 269 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 4: Do you believe that they have the same assumptions about 270 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 4: those same core things or is that in conflict at 271 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:54,479 Speaker 4: all between. 272 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: Them about about what what the core nature of a 273 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: conservative part in America should be. No, they riotously disagree 274 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: on a number of issues. What's kind of funny though, 275 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: As I was listening to their speeches, Ben adopts a 276 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: more classically liberal approach, and Tucker's response and defense also 277 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: took a classically liberal approach. He said, we should judge 278 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 3: people as individuals. There should be no restrictions on free speech. 279 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: And I had this kind of funny thought, which is, 280 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: I don't think I'm exactly mediating between these two guys, 281 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: because if we debated those fundamental premises, they would probably agree, 282 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: and I would disagree with them. 283 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: You know, there are ways in which you'd be like, so, 284 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: Pat Buchanan said Russell Kirk. 285 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 3: Definitely, yeah, yeah, And so no, they riotously disagree on 286 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: foreign policy, on economic policy, and they probably agree on immigration, 287 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: I guess, But no, they disagree. And I think those 288 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: debates are good. The debates that actually focus on real 289 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: policy challenges. I think that is good and productive and healthy. Look, 290 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: and both of these guys can codemned the thing that 291 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: I also condemned anything that gets down to, uh, you know, injustice, 292 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: hatreds animosities based on race or religion or whatever. You know, 293 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: I think that that is so ugly and counterproductive that that, 294 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: you know that stop. 295 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: Stopped trying to bait me into the Catholic debate. 296 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and to quote Arthur's, the deepest prejudice in American 297 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: history is anti Catholicism. But you know, we don't have 298 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: to get into it. 299 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: So so I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on the 300 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: spot here just a little bit. 301 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: You know, you've never done that. 302 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: They only ask three or four piercing follow up questions. 303 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. Yeah, I mean, listen, you exist at 304 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: a company that's been at the sort of you know, 305 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: with Ben obviously he's Jewish, there's been a lot turns out. 306 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: I saw the yamaka myself. I did, and did you 307 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: touch it? 308 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: Though I did? 309 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: I know better than so, you know, this is the 310 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: open question. I was recently on the Ross Stautit podcast 311 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: New York Times. Had a great time, really great guy. 312 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: I love, good interviewer, and you know, he kept trying 313 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: to get me to go into the Israel debate. And 314 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: my perspective, well, who cares about that? You're on the show, 315 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: tell us what is your perspective about what? You know, 316 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: we're talking about coalitions. What did you do with Israel? 317 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Israel has been one of the dividing lines, especially 318 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: for the online right, I think less so for the 319 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: broader public right, but especially for the online right, especially 320 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: for the young right. And I think it's perfectly reasonable 321 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: that that would come up after this massive GDZ of war, 322 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: not only the realities of that war, but also the 323 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: propaganda from both sides of that war that was you know, 324 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: but especially anti Israel propaganda. That is a real thing. Obviously, 325 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: it happens in war. So what do we do? I 326 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: guess I hosted a debate on this actually yesterday on 327 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: my show, which is should America continue to support Israel? 328 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: And I guess you have to get even more particular 329 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: than that. My position on the Gaza war was that 330 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: the war had to wrap up. That you know, we 331 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: have a long standing affection for Israel. Richard Nixon famously 332 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: saved Israel. Israel would have been destroyed in seventy three, 333 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 3: but he saved Israel. We have I think we have 334 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: more culturally and politically in common with with Israel than 335 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: with Israel's enemies, and so I think there is a 336 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: there is a reason. It's not a deceit, it's not 337 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: just a fraud. There is a reason that we tend 338 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: to look more favorably on Israel than on some of 339 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: Israel's enemies. But it can go too far. I mean, 340 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: when some people say that we have a religious demand 341 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: that we must, you know, support the nation's state of 342 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: Israel and all things, I think that's kind of crazy. 343 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: When people say that the Nation of Israel is the 344 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: greatest ally that America's ever had, I don't see any 345 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: evidence of that you know, it can be a good ally, 346 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: but that's such an extreme statement that we must always 347 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: you know, stand with Israel, that you know, we need 348 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: Israel more than Israel needs Some people have said all 349 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: these things. I think that's just taking the argument too 350 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: far and it turns people off. Now, on the flip 351 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: side of that, when people, you know, it's kind of 352 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: like when people realize that feminism is wrong and they 353 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 3: become misogynists for a period just out of their contrarian nature. 354 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: You know, to recognize that the relationship with Israel is 355 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 3: complex and there are reasons to support Israel, but there 356 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 3: are obviously limits around. That is not to say that 357 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: we need to start wearing the gefeas in marching with 358 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: Greta Thunberg. Okay, it's not to say that, you know, hey, guys, 359 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 3: I know what we can do. We can form a 360 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: Christian Islamic alliance and that will lead to a period 361 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 3: of world peace. I have about fourteen hundred years of history. 362 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: I don't know how much time we have on the 363 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 3: show today, but about fourteen hundred years history to say 364 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 3: that's probably not going to work. And of course, the 365 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: migrant crisis in Europe into a lesser degree in America 366 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: is being driven in no small part by the unassimilability 367 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 3: of Islam. So how do we deal with Israel? I 368 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: thought that Trump's approach to this was quite right, which 369 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: is that, look, you just want the war to end, 370 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: you want to have some peace and stability in the region. 371 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 3: And what it would be best for the American right 372 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 3: is not to pick you know, all or nothing on Israel, 373 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: but for the importance of Israel to diminish in the 374 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: minds of right wing voters. It just shouldn't be the 375 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: top issue. I think for most people, maybe for anybody. Uh, 376 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: that would be my answer. That's a people are going 377 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: to call that a moderate answer or an unsatisfying answer, 378 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 3: because it's either we need to be chanting from the 379 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: river to the sea, you know, the Arabs will be free, 380 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: or we need to all put on yamaka's or something. 381 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 3: But I don't want to do I don't want to 382 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: put on a kefia. I don't want to put on 383 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 3: a yamaka. I want to recognize long standing alliances and 384 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 3: be prudent about it. 385 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a thing Charlie would talk about that. 386 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 4: It's just it would be a very dumb thing to 387 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 4: destroy the Conservative coalition over our attitude towards what is 388 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 4: ultimately a foreign country. Yeah, and just for most people, 389 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 4: that is not what matters in your life nearly as 390 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 4: much as the economy, whether you can have a family, 391 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 4: whether you own a home, what our immigration policy is. 392 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 4: And it's sort of a touch grass thing. Get get 393 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: offline a little bit. 394 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that the notion gosh. I mean, 395 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: I have had people kind of young, very online people, 396 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: but they'll come up to me in public. I'll be 397 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: in a cigar shop, I'll what do you think of Israel? 398 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: I don't think about Israel all that much. If I'm 399 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: being totally frank about it. But if you want my 400 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: really boring, dry answer, here you go. You know, here's 401 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: here are the recollections of Richard Nixon. Does that work 402 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 3: for you? 403 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, you know what, I think we do a 404 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: disservice to that debate by framing it in a binary yeah, 405 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: that you either have to be four or against And 406 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: it's like, well, I like them better than the other guys. Okay, 407 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: you know, Charlie was raging against the Islamification of the West. 408 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I am very sympathetic that the fact that 409 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: they are surrounded on all sides by people that have 410 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: oftentimes a very hostile ideology towards them and want them dead. Really, 411 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: but you know, there's I think if we presented more 412 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: options on the menu that were you know, that we 413 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: gave young people say hey, you don't have to hate 414 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: these people, you don't have to be anti these people. 415 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: You don't have to rage against them or scapegoat them 416 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: or create in them as a boogeyman. That will you know, 417 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: there's the root of all evils in the world, that 418 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: there are other options on the table if we simply 419 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: presented that. But I think what is happening is that 420 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: you have an older generation that does think in terms 421 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: of the binary, and they're not really open to that debate. 422 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: And I think what's happening is you're seeing that ripped 423 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: and wretched open and now we can finally have that 424 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: debate and not you know, yeah, you know, I know 425 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: it's all Charlie wanted. 426 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 3: Actually, yes, I think in some ways, the way I 427 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 3: think about this is it probably puts me on the 428 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 3: outs with it. Right, I'm in a bad position right 429 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: now for the online right. I'm gonn upset everybody for 430 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 3: two reasons, in particular on these issues, because I really 431 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: like Jews and I really like Indians, and the Internet 432 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 3: tells me I have to hate Indians and Jews for 433 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: some reason. I don't know. Indians have got thrown into this, 434 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: but I but I really have an h one. 435 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: I got thrown in yet. 436 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 3: But I was thinking this. I'm not even joking. I 437 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: was thinking this the other day when I was eating 438 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: a Pastramian mustard sandwich on rye. I was thinking, you know, 439 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 3: I really like the Jews. I say that, but I 440 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: don't like once. I'm sure you've seen all of these debates, 441 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 3: these questions. They say, are you as Zionist? And I say, well, 442 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: like literally, I'm not because I don't agree with the 443 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: historical or religious claims of Zionism. Because I'm a Catholic. 444 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: I don't. 445 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: I'm an American Catholic, like I don't. I just have 446 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 3: a different view of religion. And so if the claim is, 447 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: you know, true religion tells us that this particular nation 448 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: has an eternal right to this particular plot of dust, 449 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: I would just say not, I don't really buy that. 450 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 3: I kind of take the king bald when option. But 451 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: that's not really on the table right now, and. 452 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 2: The Protestants in the room are really upset about you. Yeah, 453 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: rights are in the Bible. That's fine. 454 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: But so there's that. But but and then there's the 455 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 3: historical argument. Well, you know, the Jews were here for 456 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: a long time two thousand years ago, and so they 457 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: should be here again. And I think, well, by that 458 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: same argument, we should turn over the Black Hills to 459 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 3: the Lakota sue. But I'm not giving them Mount Rushmore, 460 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: you know, so don't we don't accept that logic in 461 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 3: other contexts, And so I literally don't with that. But 462 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 3: I also think the Jews. The Jewish nation came about 463 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 3: because the British Empire, which controlled that territory, made a 464 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: promise to them to give it to them, and then 465 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: the United Nations voted to recognize their nation, and then 466 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: on top of that, they fought a war of independence 467 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: and conquest to take that area. So by like every 468 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: single standard of modern nation states, Israel as a legitimate 469 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: nation state. And so I say, so I support it 470 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: in that way, and I have an affection for the Jews. 471 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: You know, Sorry that my answer isn't terribly ideological, but 472 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: I think The way to deal with this issue, especially 473 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: as the fracture is the right, is to stop being 474 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 3: so freaking ideological about it. I hate ideology. I think 475 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 3: conservatism in many ways is an anti ideology. 476 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: You know. 477 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 3: We prefer the the real to the utopian. We prefer 478 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: a present laughter to utopian bliss, you know, the limited 479 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 3: to the unbounded. This is all all the kind of 480 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: conservatism of Michael Oakshot and other other right wing thinkers. 481 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 3: So I just think, like, yeah, let's get down to 482 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 3: brass tacks. What's your real issue with Israel? You don't 483 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: want the warre and Goza to go on. I agree, Yeah, 484 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 3: I'm glad that wrapped up. Good job Trump, you know 485 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: that was great. We have alliances with all sorts of 486 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: nations in the world. They're complicated and we navigate them 487 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: and yeah, okay, anything else? Can I have my PISTROMI now? 488 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 3: Is that fine? 489 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries and 490 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: today I want to point you to their podcast. It's 491 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: called Culture and Christianity, The Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes 492 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: it unique is Pastor Allan's biblical perspective. He takes the 493 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're 494 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge Trump in the 495 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: White House, issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss 496 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: the problems in every episode, he gives practical things we 497 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible 498 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: expertise and powerful testimonies. They've been great friends and now 499 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: you can hear from Charlie and his own words. 500 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 1: Each episode will make you recognize the power of your 501 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: faith and how God can use your life to impact 502 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: our world today. The Culture in Christianity podcast is informative 503 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: and encouraging. You could find it on YouTube, Spotify, or 504 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to subscribe so 505 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: you don't miss any episodes. Alan Jackson Ministries is working 506 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: hard to bring biblical truth back into our culture. You 507 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry 508 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: at Alan Jackson dot com. Forward slash Charlie. 509 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 4: We're on a pretty tight schedule here, so I think 510 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 4: we want to get to some questions from people and 511 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 4: we can get hopefully two, three, four of them. 512 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 6: Yep, Emma, Hi, guys, good praying for you a lot. 513 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 6: Keep doing what you're doing. My dad was born in Tehran, Iran, 514 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 6: and he came here in nineteen seventy seven to escape 515 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 6: the revolution that happened. When Trump banned Muslims, he was 516 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 6: one of the first people to say that it was 517 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 6: a good thing for the country. And his thing was 518 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 6: to say, why can't he Why couldn't we not ask 519 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 6: if they're going to care love the country first over Islam. 520 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 6: And I think that that seems to be something that 521 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 6: people are not realizing. My dad is still a Muslim. 522 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 6: I was saved by Jesus Christ nine years ago, and 523 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 6: his parents were both Muslim and an atheist, and in 524 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 6: hospice accepted Jesus Christ. So he can save any of you. 525 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 6: I was an atheist for twenty four years and Jesus 526 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 6: can change our life. So I think putting Jesus first 527 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 6: is the answer. But with this stuff with immigration, we're 528 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 6: seeing such an awful thing happen, and not everyone over 529 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 6: there is bad. My dad's proof of that. He's come. 530 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 6: He's a Muslim and he's assimilated, learned English and started 531 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 6: a business. So how can we educate people on the 532 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 6: horrors that can happen if we ignore this threat. 533 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 3: I think speaking to Muslims and ex Muslims, but even 534 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 3: current kind of moderate Muslims is a good way to 535 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: do it. I'm not surprised to hear that your family 536 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 3: left after the revolution in Iran, because if you want 537 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 3: to hear the most trenchant critics of Iran, the people 538 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: who most desperately want to just light up that country 539 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 3: and blow up the Malas, it is Iranians who left 540 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: around the revolution. It's so beautiful to hear of your 541 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: conversion story. You're so right about that. You know, a 542 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: friend of mine, a Jewish friend of mine, recently converted. 543 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 3: I said, wow, what did it? Was it? He's very intelligent. 544 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 3: I said, was it this argument or this argument this? 545 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: He said, no, I had a mystical experience of Christ, 546 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 3: So noh, that'll do it. Yeah, that'll probably do it. 547 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: And and then even I spoke to it an ex 548 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: Muslim who is who is also converted. And you know, 549 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: I think hearing those practical stories this again, this gets 550 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: back to what we were just talking about. You know, 551 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: abstraction serves some purpose to clarify things, but when you 552 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: really want to get down into the brass tacks of politics, 553 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 3: which you said, practical art, you got to get into 554 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 3: real examples. You know, talk to the real people, talk 555 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: to the real people who fled Iran, talk to real 556 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: Muslims and ex Muslims. 557 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: That's going to. 558 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 3: Clarify things a lot more. 559 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: Well. 560 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting too, is you know seeing Trump 561 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: go through the UH, you know, the Saudi the tour 562 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: through the Middle East, and so many of those countries 563 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: are have done incredible amounts of labor and work politically, militarily, 564 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 2: domestically to limit the reach of jihadism, of radical Islam, 565 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 2: and so you know the fact that we are playing 566 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: fast and loose with immigration from that region of the world. 567 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: Here's my thing. You know, Charlie was always very clear 568 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: about making it macro versus micro Islam. Yeah, on the 569 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: micro level, there's good Muslims there. They're wonderful people. There 570 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 2: will be a great neighbors that work hard, be good citizens. 571 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 3: Love shwarma. Yeah, I love Pastramian, I love shwarma. Does 572 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 3: that make me a moderate? 573 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 2: You're starting to sound like Piers Morgan hurry, Yeah, which 574 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: is English, by the way. But one last thing here, though, 575 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: is that my point with UH importing Islam is that 576 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: you might say you import ten thousand of them, you 577 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: just need one that gets radicalized and then goes and 578 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: drives through a market or you know, detonates a device 579 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: or something like that. And my point is the more 580 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: you bring in, the more you're going to have of 581 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: that necessary. We have seen this now historic play out, 582 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 2: So why play why play flat fast and loose with 583 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: it at all? You know, And you said put christ first. 584 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 2: I'm on the team of we should probably do that 585 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: with immigration too. Just so yeah, I mean this. We 586 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: assimilate Christians in this country very well. Why don't we 587 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 2: just start there? 588 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: I mean this, by the way, this goes back to 589 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 3: the founding. John Adams wrote this to Thomas Jefferson that 590 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 3: the principles of Christianity are the principles on which the 591 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 3: revolution was one. John Jay writes this in the Federalist Papers. 592 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: He says, a thank God for the providence that we 593 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 3: come from a common people, with a common experience of 594 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 3: the revolution, with a common religion. And so it's not 595 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 3: that we you know, Washington writes this letter to the Jews. 596 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 3: He doesn't write a letter to the she heites. I noticed, 597 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: but he writes a letter to the Jews. And we 598 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: do have a a They even tolerated some Catholics every 599 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: now and again. Obviously we have a history of toleration, 600 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: but you know, we got to be practical about it. 601 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: A little bit of spice flavors the melting pot, but 602 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: you don't want to pour in whatever that Somali dish 603 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: that Jacob Priye tried to choke down the other day. 604 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 4: Let's got another question or two here. 605 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: Over there. Hi, Michael, my name is Brody. I'm sixteen. 606 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: My mom and I wanted to know what you were 607 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: doing when you were sixteen and what advice you had 608 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: for someone that might want to get into politics when 609 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: they're older. 610 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 3: A great question. I was a political junkie as a kid, 611 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: going back to when I was six actually even earlier. 612 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 3: I remember the Bob Dole election in nineteen ninety. I 613 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 3: was like the I was the most excited about Bob 614 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: Dole winning, including Bob Dole, and so I did so. 615 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 3: I was into that. I was doing student government, class president, 616 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: all that stuff when I was sixteen. I was also 617 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: smoking cigars. I started doing that at fifteen. I'm not recommending. 618 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: I'm not not recommending, but I'm not Legally I'm not 619 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: allowed to recommend. 620 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: But contractually you only got one company pitch for your cigar. 621 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 3: Yes, everyone else I got to say for yeah, but 622 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: I was typically engaged, and I would recommend starting in 623 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 3: those small and local ways. The great counterexample to this is, 624 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 3: of course, our pal Charlie, who decided that he was 625 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: going to be on the fast tracked to president. 626 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: And he got involved in local campaigning in Chicago a lot. 627 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: And so I totally agree with you on that. 628 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: You've got to start a little local, And I would 629 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: recommend not getting famous at sixteen. I think there's a 630 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 3: real impulse, especially for zumers who are raised on the internet, 631 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 3: basically weaned on TikTok. You don't want to get famous 632 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 3: before you really formed, before you really have something to 633 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 3: say and to do. So, I would recommend, on the 634 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 3: one hand, get that practical experience that you can't get 635 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: from books, out of student government, school board elections, maybe 636 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: even a congressional helping out, interning or something. But then 637 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: also read, immerse yourself in history and political philosophy, and 638 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 3: really take the opportunity to be a kid, albeit a 639 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 3: precocious kid, and to have a real education that's going 640 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: to set you up in a much stronger way. To 641 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: be than seriously involved in politics, and then you're not 642 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 3: running for class president. Maybe you're running for president president. 643 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: I know it stinks. I think we only have time 644 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 3: for one more. 645 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: Probably we have five minutes. 646 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 4: All right, well let's get another one. Let's see how 647 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 4: fast it goes. 648 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: Hi, my name is Katie. 649 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 7: I have the honor of serving as president of our 650 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 7: Turning Point chapter at the University of Cincinnati. I would 651 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 7: thank you. I would love your advice on two issues 652 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 7: I'm seeing. First, we have a lot of students who 653 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 7: want to get involved but are afraid and that stops 654 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 7: them from coming to meetings. And second, we have a 655 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 7: ton of students who want to know so much more 656 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 7: about Christ, but they don't want to talk about that 657 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 7: nearly as much as they want to talk about politics. 658 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 7: So how can I best reach both of these groups? 659 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: You guys run Turning Point. I just show up every 660 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: now and again. 661 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you take that. 662 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: Showed up for you though, That's fair enough. Okay, that's fine. 663 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 3: I would say you should embrace the fact that they 664 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: are drawn to these two things and not even push 665 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: against the fact that they find politics more titillating. Maybe 666 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 3: recognize that politics has something to say about religion, and 667 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: religion certainly has something to say about politics. There has 668 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: been an impulse in American Christianity for a long time 669 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: to try to divorce the two and to say the 670 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 3: politics is icky and we shouldn't play with it. And 671 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: you know, Christianity is something totally different. You know, Christ 672 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: is incarnate in history. That's what we're about to commemorate. 673 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: He'll he'll return again, by the way, in the second Coming. 674 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: And he is born into an empire. And that's significant 675 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 3: because he's born into the Roman Empire, which claims the 676 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: right to tax the whole world, which is a recognition 677 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 3: that the civil authority has jurisdiction over the whole world, 678 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 3: which means that the passion and the crucifixion of Christ 679 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 3: saves the whole world. Know, the historical and the political 680 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 3: tells us something about the religious truth and vice versa. 681 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 3: And of course Saint Paul tells us the civil authority 682 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 3: is therefore our own good is given by God and 683 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 3: doesn't bear the sword in vain. So I would just say, 684 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 3: don't try to split them apart, or say you want 685 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 3: to talk about politics, that's only talking about religion. Maybe 686 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: recognize that this is an integral hol because Christ is 687 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 3: the God not just of your church or some other church. 688 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: He's the God of the whole cosmos, which means he's 689 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: even the god politics. 690 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 4: I think, I think we have time for one more. 691 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to add one other point to 692 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 2: this is that Charlie became an expert at integrating his 693 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: faith into political answers. But he started by being able 694 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: to give you a political answer to any political question 695 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: without without bringing in politics. So he spent a long 696 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: time sharpening his arguments without politics at all, and then 697 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: as he got older, he started just just incorporating them. 698 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: But you get really good at the logic with or 699 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: without this first thing, I would say, And then you know, 700 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: to Michael's point, it's like politics can be the door 701 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: doorway in. But Charlie used to always say that those 702 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 2: who drink from the streams of liberty will eventually find 703 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: its source. We believe that's Christ. And so you may 704 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: not know the order through which which door they're going 705 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: to walk in first, and just be open, listen to 706 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: the spirit, prayerfully, and you'll get there. 707 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: Yep. 708 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, two minutes we have two minutestes. 709 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: Fast question be real quick. 710 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 8: Hi guys, my name is Jamie. I'm from the state 711 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 8: of California. I don't know if I should be two 712 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 8: old of that, but beautiful state. It is a beautiful state. 713 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 8: My family and I were so blessed to be here 714 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 8: last year in this room. Actually we saw the great 715 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 8: back and forth, the friendly banter that Michael, you and 716 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 8: Charlie had last year about Catholicism and Christianity, and that 717 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 8: brings me to I came with my family, Like I said, 718 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 8: I have my eleven year old and my thirteen year 719 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 8: old here. They were here last year as well, and 720 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 8: my question for you is they've My thirteen year old 721 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 8: will be going into high school next year. We've prayed 722 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 8: on it a lot. Unfortunately it's it's kind of out 723 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 8: of our scope right now to put him in a 724 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 8: private high school. So he will be going into a 725 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 8: public school next year. He's been in private school from 726 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 8: kindergarten through eighth grade. So I wanted to ask the 727 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 8: three you really words of encouragement, words of wisdom that 728 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 8: you can give to just not just my son. We 729 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 8: actually brought five kids with us, ranging from seven year 730 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 8: olds at thirteen. Now we're talking, so would love to 731 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 8: hear what you guys have for them. 732 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 3: Thank you. First, how many kids did you say? 733 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 8: Five? 734 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,479 Speaker 2: Five? 735 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 3: So Mormon, Catholic, or Orthodox Jews. 736 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 8: We're actually here with three families. The four it's me 737 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 8: and my husband and my eleven year old and thirteen 738 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 8: year old are here for the second time. We actually 739 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 8: brought two other families with us this year that we're 740 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 8: so excited just to really hear of what Charlie left 741 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 8: and I saw, I will say this in this room, 742 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 8: the words of wisdom with Charlie I'm gonna get I 743 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 8: saw at firsthand the impact that Charlie had on these kids. Yeah, 744 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 8: my eleven year old came up to be the night 745 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 8: that he was shot and he put his head in 746 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 8: my lap when Erica was speaking, and he's like, why 747 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 8: did this happen? So I just want to say that 748 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 8: we missed Charlie so much and I got to meet Daisy. 749 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 8: Thank you so much for what you've done. So anyway, 750 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 8: I didn't expect to cry, but we just it's happy. 751 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 8: We know Charlie's here, we feel his presence. But anything 752 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 8: you guys can give us on closing out, especially to 753 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 8: these this young youth that really is looking for some 754 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 8: words of wisdom. 755 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 3: Well, I would say on the very practical school point, 756 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 3: you know, happily you've given your kid a great formation, 757 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 3: you know, and even like with William F. Buckley Junior, 758 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 3: great American Conservative, he was homeschooled through eighth grade. You know, 759 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 3: he had that and then he went to whatever other school. 760 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 3: And so you really that's the formation that period right 761 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 3: up until the teenage years. If you've done such a 762 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: great job of making that really solid that I think 763 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 3: you can have reasonable confidence that the teachers won't screw 764 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 3: it up too much in the public school. But you 765 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 3: have to keep an eye I would say, you have 766 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 3: to keep a real eye on it. The reason homeschooling 767 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 3: spiked during COVID is because kids went home, they looked 768 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 3: at what their teachers. The parents looked at what the 769 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 3: teachers were telling the kids over the computer screen, and 770 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 3: they yanked their kids out of schools because they said, 771 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 3: this is insane and it's poisoning. So you have to 772 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 3: be very responsive to that. It sounds though from your 773 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: story about Charlie, obviously all of us are you know, 774 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 3: this is a big one. This is the last event 775 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 3: that you or really directly left us that dawned on 776 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 3: me yesterday was coming in here, and you know his 777 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 3: pictures all over and you know, yeah, this is a 778 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 3: this is a particular America. It's always growing, it's always big, 779 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 3: it's always spirit filled, and this one in particular. So 780 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,959 Speaker 3: we're all kind of uh working through that a little 781 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: bit and uh, you know, living that. The fact that 782 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 3: your kid would have that reaction to this event tells 783 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 3: you he he's in a good spot. I think he's 784 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 3: going to be all right now. 785 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 4: We still have a lot of of course, if they 786 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 4: want encouragement on the other practical things. There's a lot 787 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 4: of videos of Charlie arguing with liberals and and I 788 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 4: guess because people like that. To close on a pedantic 789 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 4: religious point, are would they be allowed to pray for 790 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 4: Charlie's intercession on their behalf or is that not allowed 791 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 4: unless he's. 792 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 3: Not formally canonized yet? Although there was a bishop who 793 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 3: I forget which bishop it was, who said that Charlie 794 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 3: was almost certainly a martyr, a marder for the faith 795 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 3: though though he's not the pope, And I guess we'll 796 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 3: have to save the pope debate for the next the 797 00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 3: next one. 798 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 2: Everybody Michael Knowles. 799 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 3: Thank you, everybody, thanks so much. 800 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. 801 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 3: For more on many of these stories and news you 802 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 3: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com