1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hello, welcome to Praying Christian Women. I am 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Alanic here with Jamie. How are you. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: I'm doing great? 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: How about you good? Are you ready to talk about witches? Oh? 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And it's not even October, so it's like October, 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 3: you know what, June right. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: So here's a question. I know off air, we were 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: just talking about, like do we have a just for 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: fun question and we don't really need one. Did you 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: guys do Halloween growing up and with your own kids? 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: And if so, what was that like? 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of so I grew up doing 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 3: Halloween and didn't even think twice about it. 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: So I went to a church that like, so this. 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 3: Is in the early eighties when I was a young 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: kid doing you know, dressing up like I think my 17 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: first Halloween costume was like a witch with the mask, 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: the green mask and you know, the one from Wizard 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: of Oz or something, and I didn't think anything of 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: it didn't even occur to me. I even remember at 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 3: our church, like we had a Halloween. It wasn't a 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 3: harvest festival. It wasn't like any of the alternative things. 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the one of the ladies. 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: Was dressed up like a witch with a you know, 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: pointy black hat with like a cauldron like it. It 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: wasn't a thing or a discussion at that time, and 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: it wasn't until much later that I started really understanding 28 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: kind of there are some concerns and roots. And our 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: kids did dress up. We never let them dress up 30 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: like anything a cult or. 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: Like scary, but it was. 32 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: But we did let our kids go around the neighborhood, 33 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: and you know, we would do sometimes kind of try 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: to use it as an opportunity to reach out to 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: the community. And we had like you know, like the 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: cross shaped jack O'Lantern or whatever. I don't know, So 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I'm sure people would look 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: at that and say that it was wrong. I know 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: people have strong opinions on it. We did not take 40 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: a hardline stance on it, other than explaining that, you know, 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 3: we're looking at this as like getting to know our 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: neighbors a little bit better, maybe outreaching a little but yeah, 43 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: what about you guys. 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, we did not do a lot with Halloween. We 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: were allowed to dress up for school, but it was 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: really really clear this was just our family rule, like 47 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: nothing scary. 48 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: So we know we're growing up or your kids. When 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 3: I was growing up, Okay, I remember being tinker Bell. 50 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: I remember, you know, things like that Cinderella fish one year, 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: which is hilarious looking back. 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, really, but you know nothing, which is we're 53 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: probably the very worst. But even I don't think we 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: even did a time with like jack lanterns and stuff. 55 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: But our church did have a carnival party harvest festival 56 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: with candy and all the typical things. We just didn't 57 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: call it a Halloween party. But I don't know. I 58 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: think that when we were raising our kids, we made 59 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: it really clear, like this is how our family does it. 60 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: This is one area where our family was actually stricter 61 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: than my family growing up. I grew up pretty strict 62 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: in terms of just anything that might be seen as 63 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: a religious no no. And we didn't do Halloween at all. 64 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: We would let our kids go to a costume party, 65 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: but they didn't trick or treat up until like by 66 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: the time they were eleven or something, and their friends 67 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: were going and it was just to get candy. But 68 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: I remember, even as a mom, being scared walking through 69 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: Walmart at Halloween time and hating that they had the 70 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: goblins and the witches and I was like, Oh, my 71 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: kids are going to see this and be scared, or 72 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: be wood to evil, or just have images in their 73 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: mind that I didn't want them to have. And I 74 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: don't know, I love that we're talking about witchcraft specifically, 75 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: because the thing with the black pointy hat, like that 76 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: was such a taboo, Like that was one of the biggest, 77 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: Like it would almost be less offensive in certain circles 78 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: I was part of to walk up to a house 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: decorated for Halloween with like beheaded zombies than with a 80 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: woman in a black row with a black pointy hat 81 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: and a cauldron. Yeah, And so it makes me wonder 82 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: how much of that is just superstition. It makes me 83 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: wonder a little bit of what we talked about last time, 84 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: how much of that is a way that old school 85 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: religious establishments tried to exert their authority. So basically, if 86 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: you don't believe in our dogma, even if it wasn't 87 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: biblically sound or theologically sound, and you happen to be 88 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: a woman, then we have an easy out of calling 89 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: you a witch and silencing me. But however, there's obvious 90 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: reasons to not get sucked into that, you know, and 91 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: to have a lot of spiritual care and discernment, and 92 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: so I'm really excited we get to chat about it. 93 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, Me too. I think there's a lot 94 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: of I don't know. 95 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 3: I like to take things and try to strip away 96 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: a lot of the what ifs, talk about the what ifs, 97 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: but strip them away and boil it down to Okay, 98 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 3: what is the truth here? What's an easy litmus test? 99 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: And so I feel like we're going to get through 100 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: all of that today and have a lot of great discussion. 101 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: I think. So Scott and I were young youth pastors 102 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: when the first and Arnia movie came out, and we 103 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: were really excited because this was before people made like 104 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: a lot of specifically Christian movies, and so this was 105 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: a really big deal. And we were planning a huge 106 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: like pree movie party and post watching devotion time and 107 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: someone from church came up to us. Actually it was 108 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: someone who was not much older than we were, and 109 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: I think even approached me and not my husband, and 110 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: he was like, so tell me again why you're taking 111 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: the youth group and kids in our church to a 112 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: movie where the bad guy's a witch? You know, just 113 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: kind of in that exact ton of voice, and I 114 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: didn't know how to answer. So if someone asked you 115 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: that today, would you have kind of a ready response. 116 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: I think I would say that it was written by 117 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: someone who's, you know, kind of a longtime renowned Christian 118 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: author and thinker. That it is kind of like saying, 119 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: why read a book that contains demons in it? Like 120 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: I eve the Bible that you know, the witch is 121 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: symbolizing evil and symbolizing it's not like you know, and 122 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say like, I'm going to just be 123 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: totally out there and. 124 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: This might offend people. 125 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: My kids have read and seen Harry Potter, which I 126 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: know a lot of people don't like, and I can 127 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: see why. But it's not like Harry Potter where the 128 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 3: hero is a wizard. It is like, this is a 129 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: movie that is allegorical, that points to Christ, that has 130 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: lots of good discussion, and the bad guy is a 131 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: witch because the bad guy is evil. 132 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that's kind of that. 133 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: It is you can't just avoid evil, and so to 134 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: see a movie where evil is portrayed as a witch 135 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: is allegorical and whatever. 136 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 137 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: That's how I would explain it is that we were 138 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: seeking to teach truth and C. S. Lewis was a 139 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: truth teller in the storytelling way, and it all points 140 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: back to the Gospel. 141 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: I think that's really well said. I think if you 142 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: want to get kind of snarky about it, literally, anything 143 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: that parents would try to get a book banned from 144 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: a school library for it's going to show up somewhere 145 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: in the Bible. Do you know what I mean? Like, 146 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: think of any reason why a parent would stand up 147 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: and say this book can't be in here, and at 148 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: the very least that subject is discussed in the Bible. Yeah, 149 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: So I don't think that we can throw something out 150 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: just because it talks about demonic influences, or just because 151 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: it talks about sex, or just because it talks about violence. 152 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: These are all things that are in the Bible. We 153 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: don't have to glorify them, don't have to be grotesque. 154 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: But even then, like Paul had a little bit of 155 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: a grotesque mouth, you know, like some of his insults 156 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: were were not rated g And Yeah, it's an interesting 157 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: kind of thing. It's sort of like in the same 158 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: way that we think of not we, you and me. 159 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: But there's a segment that assumes that Shakespeare is like 160 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: very hoity toity and it was so refined and respectable, 161 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: and like people didn't allow their wives to go to 162 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: the theater because Shakespeare was seen as so raunchy, you know. 163 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: But so I think some of it just has to 164 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: do with the lens you're looking through. 165 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: It it is, and I think it's important to dissect 166 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 3: things like that person might have been. You know, I 167 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: could I could totally see why someone would be like, 168 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: you know, this idea of a witch is too scary. 169 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: I don't want to plant those ideas in my kid's head. 170 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: That's fine, But in terms of just like if it 171 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: has this in it, then it's automatically bad or that 172 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: it's not valuable for discussion, and you know, I think 173 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: I think those things need to be looked at and 174 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: not just shunned for the sake of shunning. On the 175 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: other hand, I can see where there are things like 176 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: Harry Potter, for instance. I have allowed my kids to 177 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: watch it and read it, and we've had discussions about it. 178 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: The more I learn about it. 179 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: I can totally see I may not have been discerning enough, 180 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: and at this point it's kind of too late. But 181 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: you know, there I've heard people talk about how there 182 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 3: are actual, you know, like spells being glorified. 183 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 184 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: I just I really feel like like there's there's a 185 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: place for discussion, and there's a place for caution, absolutely, 186 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: and if you're going to air err on the side 187 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 3: of caution, but if you know, if there are things 188 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: that you've already labeled as good or bad, maybe at 189 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: least give it the opportunity of discussion and dissection about 190 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: why do I consider this bad and why. 191 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: Do I slack this label on this thing? 192 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, yeah, I like that. And I think, especially 193 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: with it from a parent lens, I think the younger 194 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: your kids are, the more it does make sense to 195 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: be zealously protective. I think about you know, it's springtime here, 196 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: it's seedling time. You treat a seedling way differently than 197 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: you treat the full grown plant. 198 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the full. 199 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: Grown plant, you don't want to over caudle. You want 200 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: to expose it to some wind and you know, to 201 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: let it dry out some and you know, to go 202 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: through some stress to make it strong. When it's a seedling, 203 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: you want to give it as picture perfect conditions as 204 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: you can until it gets strong. Enough to be rooted 205 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: in itself. I think that's a good analogy. Yeah, with 206 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, I think there's another sense of when you 207 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: look at it through your lens. So we've talked a 208 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: lot before about how my dad will abstain from anything 209 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: on our Japanese side of the family that might be 210 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: like Shinto based or things like that. And as of now, 211 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: this is more like his grandparents, sir, aunts, and uncle's generation. 212 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: Like right now, I don't know that there's even anybody 213 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: left who's got many remnants of that. But as an example, 214 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: my brother and I were some of the only cousins 215 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: who didn't participate in like a Japanese cultural school that 216 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: they offered every summer because my dad didn't want us 217 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: to be singing a song that might be worshiping a 218 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: false god or you know, things like that, which I 219 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: totally get, especially when you think about your kids being 220 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: young and needing that kind of protection. So for me, 221 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: because I didn't grow up the same way my dad did, 222 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: it wouldn't bother me to the extent that it would him. 223 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: I would still be cautious about certain things. But you know, 224 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: like your daughter has had more Japanese cultural training than 225 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 1: my kids. That's right. She got to go to the 226 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: Japanese Emmergion program at her elementary school for a few years. 227 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: I would have loved to at least have looked into 228 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: that for them, and I would have looked into it 229 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: before I would have enrolled them to you know, to 230 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: give it kind of the gut and the spirit check 231 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: to say, because my dad had the beliefs that he did, 232 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: it would have been wrong for him and it was 233 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: wise for him to abstain. As a young adult, I 234 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: grew up, you know, pretty conservative Christian kid in the nineties, 235 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: like Harry Potter. 236 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: Was a big no no, you know, like it was. 237 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: It was not quite to this level, but we were 238 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: just one degree above like the youth groups who would 239 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: like burn Harry Potter books to make a statement or right, yeah, 240 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: you know. And then my husband is a huge fantasy fan, 241 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: and he was like, it's just a book. And so 242 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: even before we had decided whether our kids were going 243 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: to read or whatnot, our kids weren't even you know, 244 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: a reading age. I don't think I started to watch 245 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: the first movie, and by that point I had I 246 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: started a movie with an open mind. I truly do 247 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: believe that I did. And then it got to the 248 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: scene where like there's floating pumpkins and all of this stuff, 249 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: And it was very funny because logically I could tell 250 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: myself that this is a kid's movie, and there are like, 251 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: there is nothing that is going to come out of 252 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: this screen and possess my soul. If I watched floating 253 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: pumpkins or whatever. I don't remember that scene, but I 254 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: remember it made me feel uneasy, and so I had 255 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: a very logical discussion with myself and decided to turn 256 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: it off. So it wasn't quite the like ooh, my 257 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: gut clenched and so I can't do this and anybody 258 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: who watches it as horrible. It was more like, this 259 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: is interesting. Even though I thought that I could go 260 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: into this knowing that it was just a movie, and 261 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: even though I do not personally believe that every Christian 262 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: family should abstain from Harry Potter, I knew that because 263 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: I still had all those remnants of this is so evil, 264 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: this is so spiritually dangerous, that it wasn't a wise 265 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: choice for me to watch. You know, have you ever 266 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: heard of a no cibo? No, it's the opposite of 267 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: a placebo, where basically, if you're told that something is 268 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: going to be detrimental to you, it can happen. The 269 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: saddest example, I don't. I think there are a lot 270 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: of studies on placbo, like early studies I think were 271 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: very very unethical, but because you know, in order for 272 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: it to be a true placebo, the patient can't know, right. 273 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: So what they did they did this kids, which I 274 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: think is the worst. So they took kids who had 275 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: previously had allergic reactions to poison ivy. They blindfolded them, 276 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: they put a like they brushed their forearm with the leaf, 277 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: and they said, this is poison ivy and it wasn't. 278 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: And I'm pulling numbers out of thin air, but it 279 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: was something like fourteen out of fifteen of them developed 280 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: the same rash they would have if it had been poise. 281 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 282 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: Wow. So there truly is this idea of if you 283 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: believe something is going to be damaging to you, your 284 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: your body is going to kind of be like okay. 285 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: And so I think that's what was happening with me 286 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 1: for Harry Potter, and the fact that I had that 287 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: reaction does not mean that it's inherently evil or wicked. 288 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: It just means that it was not spiritually something that 289 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: felt good to me, so I stopped doing it. Yeah. 290 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: No, I think that's very important and to listen to 291 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 3: your internal responses and you know, kind of look at 292 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: it that way. I mean, I originally went into it 293 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: very much like, eh, it's a pretend story. It's an 294 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: allegory of good and evil. Our kids we had conversations 295 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 3: about that some of the parallels between you know, even 296 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 3: biblically the good and evil and the spiritual battle. But 297 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: I'm kind of on the other side where I started 298 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: off kind of like not having any problem with it, 299 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: and I've the more I've learned, the more I'm like, 300 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: you know, evil can hide in all sorts of places. 301 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 3: And while I don't believe the author intentionally meant to 302 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: like sew you know, breadcrumbs of the occult in those books, 303 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 3: they're open doors, and so I do question my judgment 304 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: in retrospect. But I'm pretty much kind of like you 305 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 3: where it's like, you know what at this point, like 306 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: just do the best that you can with the knowledge 307 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: that you have be cautious. So I went into it 308 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: with my kids just kind of looking at it as 309 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 3: this is fantasy, this is even maybe allegorical of good 310 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 3: versus evil. We had conversations, some of them we even 311 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: related back to like, you know, good and evil in 312 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: the spiritual battle in biblical terms. But the more I 313 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 3: learned about it, the more I realized that evil can 314 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: hide in you know, it can insert itself into open doors. 315 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: And the more I learn about it, I don't believe 316 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: that JK. Rowling intended to necessarily so like evil into 317 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: these books. I think she just had a really cool 318 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 3: idea for a fun fantasy series for kids. 319 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: But I don't doubt that there are possibilities that maybe 320 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: there's evil hiding in there. So I don't know. 321 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 3: I think, as always, you and I fall kind of 322 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 3: in the middle of all of it, saying don't be 323 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: overly reactionary. On the other hand, be really cautious, and 324 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 3: don't assume that just because something doesn't look bad on 325 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: the surface that there may or may not be bad 326 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 3: things in it, and especially when it comes to what 327 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 3: we allow our kids to be exposed to. 328 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 2: So I don't know. 329 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: I'm not going to take a stand one way or 330 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: another other than go to the Holy Spirit, ask God, 331 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: for wisdom, because in this particular case, I don't think 332 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: I ever really went to God and was like, Hey, 333 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: should I allow my kids to read this? I was 334 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: just like, it's fine. So if I could go back, 335 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 3: I would probably be more discerning and ask more quietquestions 336 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: of God, and you know, be a little bit more protective. 337 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: Maybe yeah. 338 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: I think the two biggest takeaways I would give to 339 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: listeners when it comes to questions of should I let 340 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: my kids do this? Or is this something I should 341 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: participate in? For example, I was asked when I was 342 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: a pastor's wife in a small community, there was a 343 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: group that wanted to create basically like an ecumenical devotion 344 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: time where people. 345 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: Oh I remember this, this was a big deal. 346 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: It turned into a really big deal and became super controversial. 347 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: And so these aren't just questions that parents have to 348 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: ask about their kids. And I think the two biggest 349 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: takeaways is be a thousand times more deliberate and discerning 350 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: than the default setting. So what you described with Harry 351 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: Potter is kind of like the default setting. It was 352 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: just sort of like, Okay, you know, be super deliberate, 353 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: super discerning, but also be like a thousand times less 354 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: judgmental of everybody else who has come to a different decision, 355 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: even if their decision is based off a default. So 356 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: if you're faced with a question, So for example, maybe 357 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: I'll use an example for like adults, so we're not 358 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: just talking about parents here. I've had storylines in my 359 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: head for like a novel that centers around a house 360 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: that everybody is convinced is possessed and you know, or 361 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: has like demonic influences in the house. To me, for 362 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: a Christian thriller, that sounds exciting, it sounds like a challenge. 363 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: It sounds a little bit scary, which I know is 364 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: always a good thing creatively when you get that tiny 365 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: bit of ooh, this is a little like I'm skirting 366 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: the line. So let's say I'm trying to decide if 367 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: I want to toe that line. The mistakes to make 368 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: would be to say, yeah, this sounds fun, I guess 369 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: I'll do it right, and to just kind of go 370 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: by default, and to not have any type of prayer 371 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: or any type of just deliberate owning my decision right, 372 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: like what I would do in this scenario. I hope 373 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: I'm not talking myself into writing this book, because IVE 374 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: got another book I want to write. First, if I 375 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: was in this scenario, basically, I would think about all 376 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: of the Christian readers who might be offended and come 377 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: back to me kind of like that man at church, 378 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: why are you taking kids to a movie with a witch? 379 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: And I would want to know, like before God, that 380 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: my conscience was clear, that I thought through every single 381 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: argument that they would throw at me. I thought through 382 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: arguments that they wouldn't have even thought to throw at me, 383 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: and not that like I had a defense for all 384 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: of it. But basically is like, you know what, I 385 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: asked myself that question before I wrote it too, and 386 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: I told myself my conscience and my Savior that I 387 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: would not write this book until that question was resolved 388 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: in my spirit. And that question got resolved in my spirit. 389 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: So being extremely deliberate about it is one step. And 390 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: then the other step is to let go of any 391 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: judgment against people who hold different opinions. Right, it would 392 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: be like, and if you're a Christian author who would 393 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: never touch this subject, I love you and that's great, 394 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: and I don't want you to touch this subject. And 395 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: if you're a reader and if you know, just in 396 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: the same way, like I've got a book about a nickubaby. Honestly, 397 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: I would never as a reader pick up a book 398 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: about a nickubaby, you know, and a writer wouldn't shouldn't 399 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: look down their nose at me, like what I wrote, 400 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: this beautiful book about a nickubaby. I would just be like, 401 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: this is not entertainment for me. And so if if 402 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: it was a reader who was like the line, I 403 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: love all your books, I'm passing on this one, you know, 404 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: and especially if it wasn't means, I would be like, yes, 405 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: that is the very best decision for you. And one 406 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: of those questions I would wrestle with in my spirit 407 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: is by writing this book, they would have the same 408 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: reaction that I had with Harry Potter and therefore shouldn't 409 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: pick it up. So I would need to wrestle with 410 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: by writing this book, am I causing others to stumble? 411 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: That would be another question that I would need to 412 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: be so resolved in. So A make your decision deliberate 413 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: and discerning, and B recognize it. A thousand people are 414 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: going to be faced with the same question and come 415 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: to nine hundred and ninety nine different reactions. 416 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those are such good points I love 417 00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 3: that you mentioned both weighing your decisions fully then not 418 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 3: pointing fingers at others whose decision might be different and 419 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: probably is. 420 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, did your kids ever face like their own spiritual dilemma? 421 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: Like for you and me in our generation, it was 422 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the slumber party and they pull out the Wigi board. 423 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: You know, have your kids had any issues like that 424 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: that they've had to make decisions in the moment on 425 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: their own. 426 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: Not that I know of at this point. 427 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 3: We've had talks about that as they have, you know, 428 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 3: as they got into the ages of sleepovers, we had 429 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 3: the talks about screens, what they're exposed to, what to 430 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: look away from if someone else has something, and we did. 431 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 3: I remember our daughter saying something about something they did 432 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: at a slumber party. It wasn't light as a feather, 433 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 3: stiff as a board, but it was one of those things. 434 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: It wasn't a Wigi board for sure, but there was 435 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 3: something that they did and it was recently and we 436 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: had to talk about it. And so it was funny 437 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: because she was looking at bracelets online, at these different 438 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: like crystal type bracelets, like you know, it would say 439 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: amethyst and I'm gonna get it wrong, but it wasn't 440 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 3: real amethyst, but it's like purple chen Z bracelets, but 441 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 3: it's like amethysts brings healing and positivity, and you know 442 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: cerealine is you. 443 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: Know, protection from evil or whatever. And she said, so I. 444 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 3: Know that that you think everything is demonic, but something 445 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 3: like that, I know that you think pretty much everything 446 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: is demonic, Like take a look at this, would it 447 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 3: be demonic or against God? Like for me to look 448 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: at getting these. So we had a whole conversation about 449 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: God creating minerals and rocks and how you know anyway, 450 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 3: and kind of the litmus tests. So maybe that's her 451 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 3: her crisis cathartic moment whatever is talking through some of these. 452 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 3: Like I said, you know, basically like what you're looking 453 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 3: at as like a fortune cookie. It's like someone coming 454 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: up with you know, and it's probably plastic or resin. 455 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 3: It's not even the stone. But then talking about how 456 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: with crystals with different kinds of things, like God created 457 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: all of them and maybe they have different properties, different 458 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 3: you know, frequencies they vibrate at or whatever, but there 459 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 3: are forces that probably and people who probably use them 460 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: for could use them for bad things. And so you know, 461 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: just talking about I guess to wrap things up, where 462 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: your heart is and what your focus is on. Is 463 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: your focus on glorifying God? Is your focus on acknowledging 464 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 3: that God is the source of power? Or is your 465 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: focus on looking to other things for power, such as 466 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: witchcraft or such as these alleged healing stones or healing 467 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 3: bracelets or whatever. 468 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 2: I don't know. 469 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one more things specifically to parents, is 470 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 1: it's better to teach your children to be thinking for 471 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: themselves than to just dictate those choices. So again we're 472 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: going back to the seedling. When they're young and impressionable, 473 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: you do everything in your power to protect them, even 474 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: if that means you don't go to Walmart in October 475 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: because there are scary images. Right to me, it's not 476 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: super over the top. I didn't like doing it. But 477 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: then as they get older, I came across as pretty 478 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: young because our kids were voracious and early readers, and 479 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: so like by mid elementary school, they could read things 480 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: that were written for like young adult audiences, you know, 481 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: like they had the reading capacity right to read Harry 482 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Potter when they were like five and six. And so 483 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: I remember asking an online friend of mine, just her opinion, 484 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I know you love to read. I 485 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: know that you shelter your children a lot. How do 486 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: you handle both? And she said the very best thing 487 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 1: my mom did for me was to allow me to 488 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,479 Speaker 1: read a lot of books and to show me how 489 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: to protect myself. Because I think there was a time 490 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: where I had in mind that any book my kids 491 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: would read, I would read first, and then we'd have 492 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: like discussions about it and they'd all be you know, 493 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: I would be the gatekeeper. Well, that's fine if they're 494 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: reading Frog and Toad, right, But it's not okay when 495 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: they're you know, reading three hours a day in a 496 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: genre that I really don't care for anyway, and. 497 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: They want to have to get a cliffs notes for 498 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: all of them. 499 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: Yes, And this was even before like there were easily 500 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: google able like parent guide for this book and things 501 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: like that. And so what we taught our kids was, 502 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: these are the things that we want you to look 503 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: out for in these books. And we saw them make 504 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: some very admirable choices, kind of self censoring choices that 505 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: I loved and appreciated. Our oldest got way into Percy Jackson. 506 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: All of our kids like Percy Jackson. And it like 507 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: it does for so many kids. It got our oldest 508 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: really interested in Greek mythology, and so we had lots 509 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: of books about Greek mythology and on one of them 510 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: was so cute. He took a sharpie. Have I told 511 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: you this story. The name of the book was the 512 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: Greek Gods, and he took a sharpie and he put 513 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: a little G on the cover to like basically to 514 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: remind himself, right, like, this is not it's not even 515 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: on the same level as God with the big g 516 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: And there's actually I don't know it and I don't 517 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: even know it well enough to pair phrase it. But 518 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: there's a beautiful quote in the first Percy Jackson book 519 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: that talks about like God and the Greek pantheon. Oh wow, 520 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: it's really yeah, I mean it's it's I appreciated that 521 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: the author put that in there, where basically it's telling 522 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: Percy and by extension all the readers like everything we're 523 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: talking about here has nothing to do with what you 524 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: believe in, like in your religious life, you know. So 525 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: I liked that. And then my kids had a really 526 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: cute story when they were in elementary school, they did 527 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: homeschool in the morning, and then for a couple of 528 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: years they did the elementary school for the afternoon and 529 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: it was the last day of school, so they went 530 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: all day because it was you know, like the big 531 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: end of school party. So they came home like, oh, 532 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: what'd you guys do and said, well, the class watched 533 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: Coco and it was a new you know, it had 534 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: recently come out by then, and I was like, oh, 535 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: how was it? You know, I wasn't thinking. I was 536 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: just like, oh, new Pixar movie. And they were like, well, 537 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: we didn't watch it. We told our teacher that we 538 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: weren't allowed to. And basically, for people who don't know, 539 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: Coco is about the Mexican Day of the Dead, and 540 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with like the 541 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: Mexican view of the afterlife, and so their language was, 542 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: my parents won't allow us to watch this. But I 543 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: didn't even know enough about the movie to have an 544 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: opinion one way or the other or to communicate that 545 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: to them. But basically they came to basically, well, how 546 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: it really went was child, the older child decided for everyone, 547 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: for the younger brother, we're not allowed to watch it. 548 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: Since a younger brother was happy go lucking went along 549 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: with it, but they just sat in the library and 550 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: the school was fine with it, and they were fine 551 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: with it, and I was actually really proud of them 552 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: for that. Had they come home and said they watched Coco, 553 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have freaked out. But I think it's bottom line. 554 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: Another takeaway is for people who are concerned about these things, 555 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: for your children, it's better to teach them to be 556 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: discerning for themselves than to dictate what does and doesn't 557 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: go into them after a certain age, right when they're 558 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: still that feedling to do it both. 559 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 3: You know, you can do both, and I mean I 560 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 3: think of it kind of like sex education, Like there 561 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 3: are certain things that you can say at an age 562 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 3: appropriate level, yes, and then as time goes on, you 563 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 3: can add to what you're revealing to them, and to 564 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: the point of, you know, when my daughter it kind 565 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: of surprised me that my daughter's like, oh, you think 566 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 3: everything's demonic because I don't run back. Sometimes I think 567 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: that a lot of people would be like, you're way 568 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 3: not cautious enough, you know, right, But I see what 569 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: she's saying, and I loved that invitation to like have 570 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 3: the conversation and not just be like oh no, don't 571 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 3: get any of those bracelets. It's right, How do we 572 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 3: decide whether to get one of those bracelets and whether 573 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 3: it's beneficial or not, and whether it's dangerous or not, 574 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 3: or whether it's somewhere in between. 575 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, growing up with a lot of Christian superstition. So 576 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: by that, I mean like if if you watched a 577 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: Little Mermaid, then you might turn into a pagan, right, 578 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: Like that was sort of or if you read Harry Potter, 579 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: the three no Nos, Little Mermaid, Harry Potter, and Marilyn Manson, 580 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: so like the older you got, like the more like 581 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: those were kind of like the three biggest no nos 582 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: as I aged, And so people can like absolutely place 583 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: me probably to like the year right. But if you 584 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: grew up in that same kind of you know, just 585 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: kind of evangelical Christian, fairly conservative type of upbringing. But 586 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: the one thing that it did is it was very 587 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: fear based in a lot of ways. It wasn't let's 588 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: do this out of discernments. It was let's do this 589 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: because if you don't, the results are going to be terrifying. 590 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 2: Like yeah, to the. 591 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 1: Point where like if I was at a stop sign 592 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: and a car pulled up to me blaring like Metallica. 593 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: I might have been like, oh no, the devil's going 594 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: to jump into my car, like not quite to that extreme, 595 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: but like one degree below that. So I think that 596 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: there ideally is a way to protect yourself and your 597 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: own spirit and to protect your children and their spirits, 598 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: but to try to do it in a way that's 599 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: a little more gentle and gracious unless fear based. One 600 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: of the most beautiful experiences I had learning to handle 601 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: my own fear versus superstition versus wanting to spiritually protect 602 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: my children is we had a church homeschool co op 603 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: and when our kids were very young, so probably preschool 604 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 1: to you know, early early elementary, we went to the 605 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: Alaska Native Heritage Center and they did they did some beadwork, 606 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: so they did like some arts and crafts, and then 607 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: there was a man who was going to teach them 608 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: a song. And I got a little nervous because, like 609 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: my just because of my upbringing, it was sort of 610 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: like certain drum beats are going to invite certain things, 611 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: or this if this instrument is also used in pagan rituals, 612 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: it's spiritually dangerous. So I was a tiny bit on 613 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: edge I was ready to pull my kids out of 614 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: it if I needed to. But what I loved the 615 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 1: instructor was so gentle hearted, and I think I think 616 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: he might have just known his audience, or maybe this 617 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: was just the way he talked to every group who 618 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: came in. He said, So the first song they talked 619 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: about it was like a dance that taught you how 620 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,439 Speaker 1: to build an igloo. So I'm like, okay, this is fine. 621 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: This is a step by step dance to teach an 622 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: important skill. Public service announcement. People never lived in Igloos. 623 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: I think a lot of Alaskans get insulted when people 624 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: assume that. But it's important to know how to build 625 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: one for shelter, and so they had a traditional dance 626 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: that kind of taught kids the steps to build an igloo. 627 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: So to me, there was no spiritual anything attached to that. 628 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, okay, I'm feeling more comfortable with this. 629 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: Then he's like, and the next song I'm going to 630 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: teach you is a song. To I forget what it was, 631 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: it was probably the Sun. And so that's where old 632 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: me was like, okay, we're out of here, Like just no, 633 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: we don't sing to the sun. But then you think 634 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: about a mister son son, mister Golden said, please sign 635 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: down on me. Actually, we do sing to the sun, 636 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: and he brought up these kinds of things. He says, 637 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: now I'm going to teach you a song where we're 638 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: singing to the sun. We don't always like, it's not 639 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: that we're worshiping the sun. He didn't use the word 640 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: worship you kind of less religiously charged terminology than that. 641 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: But he's kind of like, think about Twinkle Twinkle. It's 642 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: just a nice song to sing that reminds you of 643 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: how nice a story is. Right, And if you think 644 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: about it, there are so many songs that sing, especially kids, 645 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: songs that sing to inanimate objects that even the most 646 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: conservative Christians do not even think about. And so either A, 647 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: we're just living on default and not being discerning, or 648 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: B maybe these are just songs that are sung. And 649 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: so he taught our kids a little song, and I 650 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: felt very fine and comfortable with it, and it was 651 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: all Okay. 652 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 3: I wonder if he was a Christian, and that was 653 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 3: why it's very possible just to kind of make sure 654 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 3: like that's kind of cool. 655 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I really appreciated that perspective, because I had 656 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: never thought about that before, and I think there is 657 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of like any culture that we think 658 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: of is more animistic. We make certain assumptions that it's 659 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, Oh, and so when they do this thing, 660 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like you know, let's go back 661 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: to ancient Greeks, like, yes, there were priests to some 662 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: of the Greek gods. I'm sure there were also people 663 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,439 Speaker 1: who treated them like we treat the DC characters. They're 664 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: just like people, you know, they're tall tales. And Yeah, anyway, 665 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 1: we've talked about all kinds of interesting things and given 666 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: some good takeaways. I guess we can go ahead and 667 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: close in some prayer if that sounds good to you. 668 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 2: Sure not prayer to the sun, by the way, I. 669 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: Will pray prayer to the sun. Oh there you go. 670 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 2: I like what you did there. Okay, let's pray. God. 671 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 3: We just thank you for being a god of truth, 672 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 3: being a god of light and goodness, and we just 673 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 3: pray against any forces of darkness, any forces of lies 674 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 3: and deception that might be setting themselves up against the 675 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 3: knowledge of You and your son Jesus. We pray just 676 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 3: as individuals and for those of us who are parents. 677 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 3: We pray as parents and just as Christians in general, Lord, 678 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 3: that you would help us to have deep discernment and 679 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 3: wisdom to make good choices for ourselves and for the 680 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 3: ones we love. We pray that you would help us 681 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 3: to also have grace and just great love for other people, 682 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 3: especially those who don't make the same choices as we do. 683 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 3: That we would not be judgmental, that we would be 684 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 3: open handed and realize that you speak to and require 685 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 3: different things of all different people, and what's good for 686 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 3: one is sometimes good for another and sometimes not. And 687 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 3: we just pray that you would bless our families, that 688 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 3: you would bless our homes, and just protect us from 689 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 3: evil and help us to set up appropriate boundaries to 690 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 3: protect us and the people we love from evil as well. 691 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 2: In Jesus' name, Amen, we'd. 692 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 3: Like to take just a quick second to thank the 693 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 3: team at Life Audio for their partnership with us on 694 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 3: the podcast. 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