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Speaker 2: Aaccfoundation dot org. Welcome to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton,

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Speaker 2: Our mission is to provide encouragement, hope and challenge to

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Speaker 3: Reach goals you never thought possible.

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Speaker 2: Colossians two, verse six says, So, then, just as you

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Speaker 2: received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your lives in Him,

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Speaker 3: Amen. Now let's roll.

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Speaker 2: I'm doctor Zach Clinton, and today I'm joined by Ali

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Speaker 2: Maurice Smith, author, speaker and founder of Wonderfully Made, a

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Speaker 2: ministry helping young women know their true worth in Christ.

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Speaker 2: Ali is passionate about addressing the mental health challenges so

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Speaker 2: many are facing. Today, especially the impact of social media

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Speaker 2: on our lives and on our joy.

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Speaker 3: Her new book Social.

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Speaker 2: Media Reset, a thirty day guided journey to unplug, reconnect

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Speaker 2: with God, and reclaim your joy, is helping countless people

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Speaker 2: break free from unhealthy patterns online and rediscover lasting hope

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Speaker 2: in Christ. Ali, my friend, is a privilege to have

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Speaker 2: you back with me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Zach.

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Speaker 4: I am so grateful for you for aacc and you

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Speaker 4: truly don't know the impact you're making. So it's such

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Speaker 4: an honor to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: So covet those words, my friend.

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Speaker 2: You know, last time we had you in the conversation,

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Speaker 2: we chatted a little bit about your testimony, overcoming things

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Speaker 2: like depression, overcoming things like suicidal ideation, and more. For

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Speaker 2: the audience that maybe didn't join us for that first

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Speaker 2: go round, I'd love for you just to give us

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Speaker 2: a little glosso for summary of what God has really

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Speaker 4: Yeah, around the age of twelve, I started to experience unworthiness, shame,

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Speaker 4: in security. It escalated in high school. I tried to

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Speaker 4: in a debilitating depression. I was hospitalized because I wanted

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Speaker 4: That June, I drove to the Goldngate Bridge with the

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Speaker 4: I poured over the stories of Jesus for myself, and

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Speaker 4: And that's why I'm on a mission to share my

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Speaker 2: And you know, I appreciate just your vulnerability, but I

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Speaker 2: As you share your testimony, I'm beginning to think about

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Speaker 2: And you are doing a lot of work in this

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Speaker 4: They are devoid of joy, They are enveloped in a

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Speaker 4: They are being raised to think that their purpose is

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Speaker 1: Really that all of us zach our world.

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Speaker 4: In twenty one years, I will make the bold claim

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Speaker 4: actually do something about it. Our organization created, wonderfully made,

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Speaker 4: trying to be part of the solution. I filmed a

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Speaker 4: over one point two million times. And so what the

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Speaker 4: for good and for the saving of many lives, Zach.

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Speaker 4: And we are seeing an unprecedented revival, surely because of

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Speaker 4: I wonder if we would ever be in this place,

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Speaker 4: if we would ever have have this division. This is serious.

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Speaker 4: Here are serious spiritual ramifications. We are in a spiritual slumber,

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Speaker 4: And that's why I write Social Media Reset. It's an

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Speaker 4: this is not the life we're intended to live. This

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Speaker 4: know what, I'm righteously angry because this is happening on

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Speaker 4: It's time for us to interview and say no, more

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Speaker 4: girls are dying because of a couple apps on their phone.

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Speaker 4: So I can go on, Zach, but I'm pretty fired

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Speaker 4: up and enough talk and it's time to act.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Like you said, that's what really led you

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Speaker 2: to write Social Media Reset, a thirty day guided journey

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Speaker 3: And we're going to unpact that here in a moment.

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Speaker 2: But I'm thinking of Jonathan Heights book right, the Anxious Generation.

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Speaker 2: We've really transitioned away from a play based society to

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Speaker 2: decay because of it. But I'm also thinking about formation.

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Speaker 2: spiritualformation happens to everyone. We're constantly being formed by the

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Speaker 2: things that we consume. I don't know about you, but

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Speaker 2: I have caught myself countless times doom scrolling on my phone,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of us think, oh, well, it's harmless,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'm just scrolling and just

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Speaker 2: wasting some time. I'm relaxing, ali, But we're constantly being formed.

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Speaker 2: And what it does to our brains, the neural rutting,

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Speaker 2: the perceived perfection. Social media is a human highlight reel.

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Speaker 2: It's dangerous to get sucked into that trap. Speak to

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Speaker 2: sometimes when we understand that, then it gives us a

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Speaker 2: roadmap into saying what you're saying, let's make a change.

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Speaker 3: What's it doing to our brains?

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Speaker 4: I would like to answer that, sach, but don't let

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Speaker 4: just say this, Every sight we see, every sound we hear,

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Speaker 4: Full of light and joy and peace. Unfortunately, we see

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Speaker 4: when we are here in a virtual world we weren't

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Speaker 4: our brain and our bodies. So for example, if you're

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Speaker 4: see about forty six hundred images a day, which can

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Speaker 4: come out to over eighty million to one hundred million.

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Speaker 4: Visual images and posts are imprinted in our brain and

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Speaker 4: So we can get to the end of our life

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Speaker 4: Our lives looking at the dark things of life, looking

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Speaker 4: us feel, you know, compare ourselves to others. What it

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Speaker 4: does to our brain brain is it heightened stress, Cortisol

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Speaker 1: It gives us into a mild flight or fight state.

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Speaker 4: which leads to rumination, comparison. And what that does to

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Speaker 4: Look at the good things of life sack. When we

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Speaker 3: I'm Zach Clinton.

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Speaker 4: It's God gives us an invitation to a much better life,

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Speaker 1: Many things we can do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Today sex.

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Speaker 4: Traffickers are preying on girls in their bedroom and that's

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Speaker 4: a whole nother story.

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Speaker 2: It's devastating to hear. And like you said, that's a

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Speaker 2: great clarion call.

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Speaker 3: I think C. S. Lewis put in his screwtape letters.

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Speaker 2: I've been sharing it throughout the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 2: especially in the moment we find ourselves in where screwtape.

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Speaker 3: The lead demon in that book is.

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Speaker 2: It's really about spiritual warfare, is reverting this letter to

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Speaker 2: his nephew Wormwood, and he says, make sure the patient

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Speaker 2: or the individual that they're trying to torment or detur

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Speaker 2: away from God's original design for his creation and children.

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Speaker 2: He's telling him, make sure that the patient believes that

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Speaker 2: the problem is out there in the broken system, so

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Speaker 2: that way you might distract him away from recognizing that

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Speaker 2: the problem is within and so recognizing, Hey, let's look

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Speaker 2: ourselves in the mirror here, Let's take an honest inventory

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Speaker 2: of our family. Let's take an honest inventory of ourselves,

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Speaker 2: of our parenting, and make sure that it is aligning with,

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Speaker 2: like you said, a play based, but a biblical.

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Speaker 3: Model for parenting and family moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Ali, how I want to close is your book is

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Speaker 2: really about helping us reclaim our joy. And we've talked

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Speaker 2: a lot about comparison today. We know the old cliche

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Speaker 2: comparison is the thief of that very thing. So I

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Speaker 2: want one final word of hope and encouragement and motivation

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Speaker 2: to a listener out there today about how no device,

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Speaker 2: but only the divine can help us reclaim the joy

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Speaker 2: in Christ John fifteen.

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Speaker 4: If you remain in me and I remain in you, you.

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Speaker 1: Will have peace.

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Speaker 4: You're going to have joy and not abiding in Christ

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Speaker 4: and being so close to Him and being grateful for

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Speaker 4: every good, perfect gift he gives us and for everything

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Speaker 4: He's done for us.

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Speaker 2: Ali Marie Smith my friend on behalf of all of

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Speaker 2: us here at the American Association of Christian Counselors, my dad,

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Speaker 2: doctor Tim Clinton, myself, doctor Zach Clinton. We love you,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you, we stand with you, were grateful. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be joining you in January of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six for Social Media Reset. We will fast from that

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Speaker 2: very thing. I promise you that, and I encourage all

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Speaker 2: of our listeners to join us as well. Where can

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Speaker 2: our audience go to find out more about you?

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Speaker 4: Alimriysmith dot com. But I also want to invite all i.

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Speaker 1: Emrie Smith dot com.

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Speaker 4: Please check out the ministry Wonderfully Made dot org Come

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Speaker 4: Someone thirty nine, amazing ministry for girls and women, so

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Speaker 4: please visit us there too.

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Speaker 2: And I'm assuming our audience can pick up a copy

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Speaker 2: of this book, Social Media Reset A thirty day guided

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Speaker 2: journey to unplug, reconnect with God, and reclaim your joy anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Books are sold.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely and shout out to doctor Daniel Aman for endorsing it.

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Speaker 1: Only God could take the girl from.

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Speaker 4: The psychiatric hospital, allow her to write a book, and

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Speaker 4: have the world's most renowned psychiatrist endorse it.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Ali.

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Speaker 2: You are a gift my friend. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your time. We love and appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks