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Speaker 2: Good morning, Glory and I mean Grasonmaica. I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Youw it in the Relief Actor Studio West. Earlier today,

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Speaker 1: President Trump posted on True Social and I want to

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Speaker 1: read it to you before we get to our guests.

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Speaker 1: Avive Reddy Gore, Iranian patriots now all in caps, keep protesting,

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Speaker 1: take over your institutions. Three exclamation points. Save the names

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Speaker 1: of the killers and abusers. They will pay a big price.

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Speaker 1: I have canceled all meetings with Arenian officials until the

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Speaker 1: senseless killing at protesters stops. All in caps and then

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Speaker 1: all in cap help is on its way.

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Speaker 2: Period.

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Speaker 1: Miga m IgA maker on great again. Three exclamation points.

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Speaker 1: President Donald J.

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Speaker 2: Trump.

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Speaker 1: That posted at nine forty three am East Coast time,

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Speaker 1: joined now by Aviv Retti Gore. Viva is a senior

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Speaker 1: analyst for the Times Visrael He's also podcast or the

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Speaker 1: Ask Aviv Anything podcast comes in long form and in

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Speaker 1: short form. I listened to today's on the two into thoughts,

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Speaker 1: which gave me names and dates that I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: Aviv, Happy New Year to you, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, you good to be here. And also just

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Speaker 3: the Free Press. I'm also with the Free Press as

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Speaker 1: And I've always got to say that times viseral the

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Speaker 1: Free Press, and then we need to tell people. You're

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Speaker 1: I subscribe to the Free Press, but I get real

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Speaker 1: value from your Patreon. How do people find that? Just

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Speaker 1: Patreon and Aviv.

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Speaker 3: Retty Gore Yeah, or ask Aviv Anything on Patreon. Thanks

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Speaker 3: so much for the plug. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's only five bucks a month and it's really

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Speaker 2: very much worth it.

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Speaker 1: Like Dan Senor's special edition as well, I've gone into

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Speaker 1: into funnels silos for my news to go deep.

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Speaker 2: HAVEVI before I go in.

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Speaker 1: Hey, further, what do you make of what I think

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Speaker 1: at a hinge moment in Iran? Especially in light of

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Speaker 1: what President Trump posted this morning.

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Speaker 3: At this very moment. There are reports that phone lines

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Speaker 3: just two three days that Iran International ran. It might

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Speaker 3: be much higher than that. People in Iran are talking

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Speaker 3: So everything is escalating. All the gloves are off, the

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Speaker 3: it's a new day, it's a new moment. Iranians are

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Speaker 1: So Aviv I had done an entire outline because we

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Speaker 2: And we'd scheduled this week ago.

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Speaker 1: And I have a whole long list of questions that

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Speaker 1: You had Barry Strauss on your program. He wrote the

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Speaker 1: new book last year, Jews Versus Rome, fascinating book. I

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Speaker 3: taken over by crazy ideologues demolishing their own country just

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Speaker 2: Instead, they went backwards. And you're probably not old enough

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Speaker 2: to remember this, but I remember it well. Nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: speaking now about college campuses in America. I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: Gore can be followed on x at Aviv retted Gore.

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Speaker 1: He is with the Free Press, he is with the

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Speaker 1: senior analysts at the Times of Israel. His patreon asked

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Speaker 1: Aviv Anything. Stay tuned to the hu Uit Show. Welcome

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Speaker 2: I'm Hugh hewittt I guess there's a viv Rehtted Gore.

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Speaker 1: You can find ask Aviv Anywhere, Ask Aviv Anything Anywhere

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Speaker 1: Reminds me of Poland in eighty five, and then the

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Speaker 1: Now I'll be right back with Aviv Rhttig gore foll

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewitt with Aviv rettig Gore.

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Speaker 2: Whether you're listening in.

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Speaker 1: Aviv's podcast is, Ask Kaviv Anything. Israel got ten million people,

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Speaker 1: Iran's got ninety million people. On October the seventh, Israel

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Speaker 3: One really dangerous statement came out of Kamunei himself, who said,

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Speaker 3: We're willing to kill hundreds of thousands to that's the

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Speaker 1: Now, if he summons up the Iraq Iran War. I

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Speaker 3: even believe in the things that they say. You know,

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Speaker 3: the regime generals their families. More and more of their

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Speaker 3: families live abroad, live in the United States, live in Britain,

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Speaker 3: live in places where they don't have to suffer with

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Speaker 3: the people that their own family members in the IERGC

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Speaker 3: are forcing to suffer, and so there is this deep disconnect.

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Speaker 3: This stuff makes its way through Iranian social media. Everybody

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Speaker 3: knows that they're a mafia that pretends to be a

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Speaker 3: religious movement. It hasn't been a religious movement for decades.

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Speaker 3: And that's basically the story here.

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Speaker 1: So I would encourage everyone and to go over to

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Speaker 1: the Commentary podcast because Eli Lake was the guest on

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Speaker 1: Commentary podcast today and he made the point Aviiv just

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Speaker 1: avered to, which is that a lot of the Iranian

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Speaker 1: elite are abroad, their children are abroad, and that one

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Speaker 1: of the things the United States and England and other

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Speaker 1: people ought to consider is sending him home, is saying,

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Speaker 1: you've got to go live with the disaster that is

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Speaker 1: the country that your parents have made, and they've sent

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Speaker 1: you to school. And he mentioned that the daughter of

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Speaker 1: the Iranian Prime Minister, I think that's what he said,

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Speaker 1: or the Iranian President is a nursing student at Emery.

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Speaker 2: Now, don't give her a hard time. It's not her

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Speaker 2: fault what her parents have built and her father has built.

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Speaker 1: But Aviv makes an important point when we come back

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Speaker 1: Israel's role in whatever the United States is going to

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Speaker 1: come up with, which could be unfolding tonight. We don't know,

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Speaker 1: could be underway right now. Stay tuned in America. I'm

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Speaker 1: hu here, Welcome back in America. I'm hw Hewett with

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Speaker 1: Aviv Ready. I do believe we're at one of those

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Speaker 1: hinge moments in history where what happened in Iran's going

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Speaker 1: to drive a lot of the next thirty to fifty years.

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Speaker 2: Aviv.

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Speaker 1: I've got Bernard Lewis books by the shelf load. I've

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Speaker 1: read about The Looming Tower by Lawrence Right. You and

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Speaker 1: I have talked about Hamas and Wahabism and radical Sunni Islam,

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Speaker 1: radical Shia Islam. I don't get at all other than

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Speaker 1: they were waiting for the hidden in mom to come

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Speaker 1: out of the well. Why in the world do they

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Speaker 1: support Hamas and why are the Jews so central to

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Speaker 1: their theology?

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Speaker 2: Do you have any idea?

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Speaker 3: It's extraordinary, It's an extraordinary thing in Sunni Islam. I

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Speaker 3: any Muslims listening to us will know.

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Speaker 2: The hist or.

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Speaker 3: If they don't, they should look it up because they

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Speaker 3: should know this and anyone else please fact check it

483
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Speaker 3: in Sunni Islam. The most widespread tradition is that alsa

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Speaker 3: on the which translates to the thing at the edge

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Speaker 3: in Hebrew kotse the place Muhammad goes to at the

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Speaker 3: end of his life and sends to Heaven. That place

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Speaker 3: is Jerusalem. That is a widespread sunny tradition, not the

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Speaker 3: only sunny tradition. But nevertheless, wise, in Shia Islam, al

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Speaker 3: aksta is not in Jerusalem. It is simply not. There

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Speaker 3: is no Shia tradition of that. It is in Iraq.

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Speaker 3: And the whole idea that this regime has has sort

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Speaker 3: of latched onto this sunny vision. It's an attempt to

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Speaker 3: create a political argument for Iranian leadership of the Muslim world.

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Speaker 3: And Iran's leadership also saw its its own attempt to

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Speaker 3: destroy Israel and building out these proxies with tens of

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Speaker 3: billions of dollars over forty years that Iran's Iranians didn't have.

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Speaker 3: But the spending on Hesbellan, the proxies in Iraq and Syria,

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Speaker 3: and the Juthis of Yemen and every Kamas, and a

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Speaker 3: huge spending on Kamas, hundreds of millions of dollars. At

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Speaker 3: least all of this investment in this proxy system to

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Speaker 3: destroy Israel was essentially a Shia argument in the Muslim world.

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Speaker 3: Sunnis have failed to destroy Israel for a century. You

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Speaker 3: have you embarrassed Islam in that sense. We will succeed

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Speaker 3: and that will be evidence that Shia Islam is correct.

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Speaker 3: That's the kind of stuff you actually get when you

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Speaker 3: drill down into it, when you actually listen to an

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Speaker 3: interview on Al Jazeera or whatever with an Iranian Ayatola,

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Speaker 3: and you actually try and get into why do you

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Speaker 3: want to destroy us? I'm not saying why you don't

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Speaker 3: like his or you don't like Israel?

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Speaker 4: You know what?

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Speaker 3: You cannot like France too? Who cares like not? Why

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Speaker 3: don't you like Israel? Why are you invested to the

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Speaker 3: point of gutting your own economy with this obsession of

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Speaker 3: the destruction of a country you have no border with

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Speaker 3: and no interests in.

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 3: And you very quickly discover it isn't actually Shia Islam.

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Speaker 3: It is Islam. It's an Islamic veneer on an imperialist

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Speaker 3: project that's meant to force the Sunnis to rally behind

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Speaker 3: the Iranians. Oh, that's it. It's a regional control. That's

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Speaker 3: something I developed back in the seventies and sixties.

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Speaker 1: Oh that makes you just gave me at least a

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Speaker 1: narrative to understand, because I can go find a Sunni

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Speaker 1: extremists I mom preaching on the internet the destruction of

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Speaker 1: Israel in about ten minutes. And it's whether it's Isis

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Speaker 1: or whether it is al Qaido, whether it's any of

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Speaker 1: their offshoot groups around the world. But I can't find

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Speaker 1: Shia im Mom's. They're supposed to be almost as peaceful

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Speaker 1: as another branch of Islam, the third branch which is

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Speaker 1: eluding me right now, the one that's very very peaceful.

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Speaker 2: When did that? Why don't we know that?

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Speaker 1: Is there no effort to expose what the Shia pretenders

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Speaker 1: are that Israel and the United States are undertaking. Is

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Speaker 1: there any effort to put that message out there to

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Speaker 1: do legitimize the regime?

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Speaker 3: Sia have in the Muslim world a long tradition of

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Speaker 3: being oppressed by the Sunnis, and so the Shia have

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Speaker 3: developed a much less It's weird for me to, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, fly the flag of the Shia right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the greatest force trying to annihilate my people

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Speaker 3: at this moment is a Shia political force. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 3: the Shia have been less aggressive, less conquering, belligerent, you know,

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Speaker 3: colonialist and imperialists than Sunni's overall over fourteenth centuries. I'm

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Speaker 3: not singling out any particular people or group or time,

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Speaker 3: but in general, the Shia have been the oppressed and

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Speaker 3: are much more, much less committed to a kind of

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Speaker 3: conquering vision of Islam than the Sunnis. So the Muslim

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Speaker 3: Brotherhood vision of the takeover, of getting back to the

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Speaker 3: takeover of the world, that's a sunny project and doesn't

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Speaker 3: really make sense. And she Ism until really Komeni and

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Speaker 3: Kmiani who founded this Iranian version of Sheism, this political Sheism.

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Speaker 3: So just in general, if you go to the Shia

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Speaker 3: of Lebanon, until they were radicalized by vast Iranian money

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Speaker 3: through Isabella Irani and shea excuse me, leban Shia were

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Speaker 3: a quiet group. They were not on the warpath. They

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Speaker 3: did not conduct you know, conquest and massacres. It's similar

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Speaker 3: for the Alo whites of Syria.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't come up with the name of

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Speaker 1: the Sufis. They're the very pacifist branch of Islam. If

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Speaker 1: I am remembering my Lewis correctly.

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Speaker 2: But Shia was not was not Wahabist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Shia have never been Wahabists. All the Wahabism, all

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Speaker 3: of the Muslim Brotherhood stuff, all the stuff you get

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Speaker 3: out of you know, the al Qaeda stuff, the the

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Speaker 3: Saib and all of that stuff all happened in Sunism.

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Speaker 3: All this radicalizing of Islam in the modern age happened

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Speaker 3: in Sunism, and the Shia were very late to the game.

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Speaker 3: And Holmania basically wrought in a lot of these ideas

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Speaker 3: and a lot of these ways of thinking and talking

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Speaker 3: and gave it as she of the Niar and she

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Speaker 3: of vocabulary. But he basically did that as a power

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Speaker 3: play to take over Iran. That was the ideas. It's

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Speaker 3: hard to understand this regime in Iran as a religious

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Speaker 3: movement just because it refuses to act as one. It

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Speaker 3: really is just about oppression and power. And when you

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Speaker 3: actually go to meet the Shia and talk to Shia

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Speaker 3: in Iraq, for example, you get a very ambiguous kind

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Speaker 3: of relationship with this Sheism of Iran as this thing

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Speaker 3: that isn't what Sheism always was. Even by the way,

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Speaker 3: if Iran will support them in their great internal sectarian

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Speaker 3: wars in Iraq against the Sunnis, and the brutality of

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Speaker 3: the Sunnis during Saddam's time, and all of that. You

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Speaker 3: can sometimes get an appreciation for this ally in Shia Iran,

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Speaker 3: but you still don't see an Iraqi Shia and Lebaneshia

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Speaker 3: and Syrian Shia, and Franklin Atilahuthis in Yemenishia. You don't

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Speaker 3: see that kind of aggression that the Iranians introduced into

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Speaker 3: Shia politics. And so the Iranians took over and kind

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Speaker 3: of reframed Shia politics in the Middle East in a

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Speaker 3: way that has demolished Frankly, every Shia polity or every

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Speaker 3: polity does a large population of Shia. Iran has been

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Speaker 3: a disastrous curse on the Shia sunneeze of the Arab

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Speaker 3: world and the Persia itself.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to Aviv a little bit off air.

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Speaker 1: I'll add it to the podcast today, but please don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere you stay on the radio station or on

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Speaker 1: the television station.

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Speaker 2: But I'll add the last bit of the lead to

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Speaker 2: the podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can find it on my YouTube and at my

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Speaker 1: podcast on YouTube sor back on the podcast on with

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Speaker 1: Aviv Reddy Gore and Avivan commentary Today John pod Hortz

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Speaker 1: exit question was on a scale after President Trump put

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Speaker 1: up his post this morning, on a scale of one

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Speaker 1: to ten, what do you think the United States will do?

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Speaker 1: With one being nothing and ten being anything necessary to

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Speaker 1: Maduro Hamini go in and grab him and kill the

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Speaker 1: mm's and get them and four out of five people

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Speaker 1: set as six with some fireworks spectacular.

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Speaker 2: That we can see.

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Speaker 1: John Potterwart said at eight he thought we're going all

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Speaker 1: in because they're as weak as they've ever been. But

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Speaker 1: it occurred to me, as I listened to the commentary

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Speaker 1: podcast and Eli Lake knows his Iran history, it occurs

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Speaker 1: to me that really depends upon the people of Iran

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Speaker 1: and how they react to being shot down.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it really is merciless.

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Speaker 1: So we saw in Israel on ten to seven the

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Speaker 1: Israelis fight back with their bare hands, rocks and whatever

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Speaker 1: they could. They kept throwing grenades out of their bomb

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Speaker 1: shelters and then they went to war. And the war's

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Speaker 1: not over yet. What do you think the average Iranian

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Speaker 1: in the eighty percent does now? I'm asking you to

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Speaker 1: be a prophet, and I know it's unfair. But you've

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Speaker 1: studied what happens when people are they have no hope,

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Speaker 1: they have no money, they have no water.

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Speaker 2: What do they do?

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Speaker 3: This regime has done nothing for forty seven years. The

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Speaker 3: demolished other power center in Iran allied with the communists,

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Speaker 3: and after the Iran Iraq War, it massacred the communists.

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Speaker 3: It has systematically gone through Iranian society and degraded and

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Speaker 3: demolished anyone who could replace them, so that even if

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Speaker 3: a revolution does come, there's nobody to lead it and

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Speaker 3: there's no power center, single power center, that can actually

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Speaker 3: see it through. That's what makes this moment so dangerous

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Speaker 3: to the regime. That the Bazaris are such a power.

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Speaker 3: If the interests of the basic you know, economic backbone

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Speaker 3: of the capital and of the major cities of Iran

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Speaker 3: are the uprising, then the Iranian regime has a problem

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Speaker 3: because there is a kind of power base. It still

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Speaker 3: doesn't have a clear leadership. It's still not clear who

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Speaker 3: actually makes the decision steps in this regime has a

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Speaker 3: lot of bodies it's willing to go through. I mean

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Speaker 3: in the hundreds of thousands, as we said, before it falls.

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Speaker 3: So I would say two things one.

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Speaker 2: It looks like.

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Speaker 3: Iranians don't think anything will ever get better. It looks

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Speaker 3: like the regime has managed to convince most Iranians of that.

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Speaker 3: That's very dangerous for the regime because people have to

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Speaker 3: have a reason, they have to have something to lose.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't look like they think that they have something

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Speaker 3: to lose. And I'll say a huge compliment to President

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Speaker 3: Trump in that regard. I have no idea what President Trump.

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Speaker 5: Is going to do.

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Speaker 3: He bombed Iran while pretending to be considering not bombing

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Speaker 3: Iran by landing the planes. Everybody in Venezuela didn't predict it,

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Speaker 3: and not only didn't predict it, the signals were going

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Speaker 3: in all different directions. In the last three days, President

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Speaker 3: and Trump has said he's going into negotiation and also

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Speaker 3: not going to negotiation. That is exactly how you should

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Speaker 3: behave if you're about to demolish something, if you're about

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Speaker 3: to take them down, and also just if you're terrifying

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Speaker 3: them into overreacting, which itself could be the destabilizing factor

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Speaker 3: that throws them out of power. So President Trump, inasmuch

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Speaker 3: as an American president can affect this, and there's quite

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Speaker 3: a bit he can do, but you know it's not

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Speaker 3: his decision in the end, He's not the factor. But

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Speaker 3: he's basically done everything.

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Speaker 2: Right so far.

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Speaker 3: And saying both side of the thing. Saying something and

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Speaker 3: then the opposite thing is a fantastic strategy with this regime,

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Speaker 3: especially after Maduro, especially after Midnight Hammer. So I think

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Speaker 3: America is in the right place, basically positioned to help

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Speaker 3: without being the leadership of this thing. The Iranian people

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Speaker 3: will bleed a lot more before this regime dies. If

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Speaker 3: this is suppressed, they'll be a bigger and worse one

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Speaker 3: because there's nothing in this regime that's capable of turning

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Speaker 3: Iran around and setting it on a better path.

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Speaker 1: So very last question, we saw what the IDF and

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Speaker 1: Masad can do. Now, I'm not one of those Americans

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Speaker 1: that think Masad is thirty stories tall, but I was

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Speaker 1: pretty impressed by the beeper operation and by the takeout

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Speaker 1: of the people in Cutter and the people in Tehran. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Israel has got operatives on the ground in Iran, but

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Speaker 1: they aren't enough Israelis even.

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Speaker 2: If they do to actually take them out.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they will follow the American lead here

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Speaker 1: act in dependent of it and the key question if

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Speaker 1: if Wrong gets scared, they're going to throw ballistic missiles

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Speaker 1: at your country.

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Speaker 2: That's what they did.

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Speaker 1: They've done that four times now, once against America, three

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Speaker 1: times against you. What do you think Israel's real I

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Speaker 1: don't think I personally don't think Israel will hold back

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Speaker 1: this time.

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Speaker 2: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: If you wrong forces revisiting of the Twelve Day War?

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Speaker 3: I don't think Israel will be able to contain. I

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Speaker 3: think I think this will be the end. I think,

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Speaker 3: first of all, wrong will be will need there to

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Speaker 3: be a serious war with Israel as a distraction, as

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Speaker 3: an excuse to crack down more viciously internally, as a

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Speaker 3: stabilizing force, and I think the Israelis will have to

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Speaker 3: deny them both those things. They'll have to have a

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Speaker 3: war where the regime really is destabilized. I'd be very

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Speaker 3: surprised if how many survives, or if his son, who

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Speaker 3: is sort of being groomed to replace some survives. And

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Speaker 3: this will be something that really does does cause terrible

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Speaker 3: damage to the Iranian regime. But the Israelis would be

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Speaker 3: to respond in a way that looks visibly like it's

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Speaker 3: trying to avoid hurting the people of Iran, and so

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Speaker 3: you know, it's quite likely that Ronald drag us all

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Speaker 3: into a rerun of that war. Essentially. At the same time,

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Speaker 3: it needs to be handled very wisely, because it really

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Speaker 3: is the Iranian people who can topple this regime, and

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Speaker 3: it has to look like it's then toppling the regime,

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Speaker 3: and that allows us all kind of post revolution stability.

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Speaker 3: If they can't, just if it isn't doesn't appear to

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Speaker 3: be some American or Israeli project, the regime will claim

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Speaker 3: that anyway. It told has any Islamist factions will claim

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Speaker 3: that anyway. But most Iranians have to know that it's

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Speaker 3: not what's happening, and then it can actually happen.

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Speaker 1: Well said, as always, Aviv, I thank you for the

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Speaker 1: extra time today. Again, find ask Aviv anything wherever podcasts are,

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Speaker 1: support them on Patreon, read them in the free press, raisers,

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Speaker 1: senior analysts, and occasionally at the times of Israel. Aviv,

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Speaker 1: thank you talk to you in a few weeks or months.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hewlett, joined now by the United States Senator Joni Earn. Senators,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. How are you in this new year.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I'm great, Hugh, thanks so much, Thank you for

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Speaker 6: having me.

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Speaker 1: I want to begin by asking you, as a veteran

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Speaker 1: of the Armed Services Committee and in the Senate for

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Speaker 1: so long, what do you think about the situation in

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Speaker 1: Iran and President Trump's posts this morning reiterated in a

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Speaker 1: speech that help us on the way from the United States.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it is important that we are encouraging

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Speaker 5: the people of Iran. We see them rising up in protest.

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Speaker 5: We think it's important to continue to encourage them to

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Speaker 5: do so. We do want to see them take over

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Speaker 5: their own institutions. They want to be free of this

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Speaker 5: awful regime that has really come down on them when

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Speaker 5: it comes to issues of civil rights. They really have

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Speaker 5: seen such poverty and devastation across nation. And when you

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Speaker 5: think back many decades, this used to be a very

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Speaker 5: progressive country, progressive in a way that it was more

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Speaker 5: modern and westward leaning, and it has backtracked so significantly

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Speaker 5: when it comes to human rights and prosperity.

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Speaker 6: We want to see them do better.

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Speaker 5: They are a huge threat to the United States and

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Speaker 5: Israel as they stand.

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Speaker 6: Should this regime fall, the world will be a much

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Speaker 6: safer place.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you will have better sources than

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Speaker 2: anyone else at this point.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got a briefing. But the

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Speaker 1: numbers that the regime have killed in just the last

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Speaker 1: five days vary from a minimum of two thousand. The

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Speaker 1: regime admits that up to twelve thousand. That is a

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Speaker 1: level of violence we've never seen from them before.

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, Hugh, And those are the same numbers that

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Speaker 5: I have seen as well, So quite a range there.

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Speaker 5: But what we do know is that, of course the

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Speaker 5: regime is trying to block any information that will flow

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Speaker 5: out of Iran to the rest of the world, and

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Speaker 5: so it could be those numbers of a higher scale,

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Speaker 5: which is really really very scary to those families that

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Speaker 5: left Iran many years ago and are wondering are there

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Speaker 5: loved ones impacted by this? How many more will be

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Speaker 5: killed in these uprisings. So again, I think the president

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Speaker 5: is doing the right thing by encouraging the citizen read

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Speaker 5: to stand strong against the regime, but it does come

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Speaker 5: at a human toll for the Iranians, which is unfortunate

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Speaker 5: because oftentimes we will take a look at the leadership

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Speaker 5: and we'll just assume that all Iranians are bad like

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Speaker 5: the regime, and that simply is not true.

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Speaker 1: So no one in the Senate's gotten any special briefing

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Speaker 1: on the shed. I find it extraordinary in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six that the Western media doesn't have any visibility into Iran.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm sure that we do have operatives that are

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Speaker 5: keeping an eye on this situation. Most certainly that would

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Speaker 5: be true, and the Intelligence Committee may have more information

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Speaker 5: than the Arms Services Committee does at this point in time.

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Speaker 6: But again, it's similar to circumstances.

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Speaker 5: I'd say use an extreme example like North Korea, where

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Speaker 5: there's very little intelligence that flows in or out. And

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Speaker 5: I think the regime, because of the uprisings right now,

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Speaker 5: is really putting forward a concerted effort to make sure

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Speaker 5: that information is not flowing to Western media outlets.

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Speaker 1: SENTA, if we can turn our attention back home. I

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Speaker 1: heard Senator Murphy yesterday. I was doing a hit on

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Speaker 1: Fox and they played some tape of your colleague from

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Speaker 1: Connecticut urging another shutdown of the government over the deployment

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Speaker 1: of ice to Minnesota. First, do you expect to shut down?

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Speaker 1: And second, what do you think of the merit of

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Speaker 1: his argument?

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Speaker 6: There are no merits to this argument. We should not

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Speaker 6: be shutting the federal government.

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Speaker 5: We know that when we're looking for winners and losers

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Speaker 5: and government shutdowns, the only losers are the American people,

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Speaker 5: those that are relying on federal government services, those that

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Speaker 5: are working and not receiving paychecks through government shutdowns. The

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Speaker 5: national security has always impacted as well during government shutdowns.

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Speaker 5: So I think that he needs to rethink his words,

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Speaker 5: and he needs to bring ideas and thoughts to the table.

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Speaker 6: That's what we should be doing in the United States Senate.

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Speaker 5: I'm very hopeful that we get this appropriation's package done

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Speaker 5: and the follow on packages that Senator Susan Collins of

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Speaker 5: Maine has been working on with Tom cole over in

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Speaker 5: the House. They have spearheaded some incredible discussions. We've got

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Speaker 5: a large consensus both in the House and the Senate,

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Speaker 5: and let's get this done. Let's not shut the federal

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Speaker 5: government down. It does nobody any good.

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Speaker 1: The centators last week and Trump with my guest and

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Speaker 1: he said he's going to request a trillion and a

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Speaker 1: half dollars as the defense budget next year. That would

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Speaker 1: be up from about nine point three trillion. I think

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Speaker 1: accuse me, nine hundred and thirty billion this year. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of that kind of a hike?

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Speaker 6: Well, holy cow, that is a huge hike.

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Speaker 5: However, what the President is taking into consideration is advanced

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Speaker 5: adversaries around the globe and how we need to stay

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Speaker 5: cutting edge or better, We must maintain that qualitative military

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Speaker 5: edge when it comes to our adversaries. If you look

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Speaker 5: at protection of the homeland with our Golden Dome, that

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Speaker 5: will require a huge amount of funding to get up

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Speaker 5: and going. So he is looking very broadly at how

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Speaker 5: do we protect our homeland and if necessary, projects strength

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Speaker 5: and power abroad.

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Speaker 6: I think it's the right thing to do.

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Speaker 5: Now, whether it happens at that scale or level of

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Speaker 5: funding is yet to be seen. Certainly I would love

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Speaker 5: to see an increase. However, sharing the Senate Doge Caucus

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Speaker 5: and always doing my school awards as well, there are

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Speaker 5: areas that we know we can cut back on in

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Speaker 5: the Department of War, Department of Defense. We can find savings,

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Speaker 5: and we need to use technology like artificial intelligence to

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Speaker 5: help us fill the gaps where necessary and make sure

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Speaker 5: that the cost is staying ahead or paired to that benefit.

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Speaker 6: So I look forward to it that he's doing it.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Doje.

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Speaker 1: We've all watched I somew much astonished as the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: scale of fraud has been unveiled.

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Speaker 2: It began in twenty twenty two, got bigger in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. This year it's just exploded. Of course, in

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Speaker 2: California we had COVID fraud in the billions of dollars

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: What does every state have a Minnesota of them, do

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Speaker 1: you think or is it just Minnesota?

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Speaker 5: I think there are many states that have this problem,

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Speaker 5: and we have highlighted a number of the issues that

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Speaker 5: we have seen, whether it's through the Small Business Administration

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Speaker 5: and the Paycheck Protection Program or the Economic Injury Disaster loans.

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Speaker 5: We know that there were so many cases of fraud

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Speaker 5: through those specific programs, and here, yet again we see

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Speaker 5: additional fraud when it comes to fronting small businesses that

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Speaker 5: are parading around as childcare centers or what have you.

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Speaker 5: I caught an earmark that elan Omar in Minnesota was

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Speaker 5: doing for a supposed East African substance abuse treatment center,

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Speaker 5: which happened to be co located with a Somali restaurant

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Speaker 5: and run by three individuals that share the same residential address,

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Speaker 5: so big red flags. I called it out, and thankfully

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Speaker 5: then the House did that earmark out of their funding bill.

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Speaker 5: But this fraud is running rampant. For those of us

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Speaker 5: that have been crying, crying out for attention over the

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Speaker 5: past many years, finally we are getting traction, and I'm

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Speaker 5: glad that we see the level of attention that Minnesota

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Speaker 5: is getting. But Q absolutely there are other states as

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Speaker 5: well where fraud is rampling.

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Speaker 2: I hope we continue the effort to get to the

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Speaker 2: bottom of all of that. Senator Jenny Ernst has.

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Speaker 1: Been a big path leader in finding that way forward,

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Speaker 1: and we'll continue to do so. Thank you, Senator Ernest.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back in America. Stay tuned on the

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Speaker 1: Sale Channel, the Schaliel Radio Network, and all of our

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Speaker 1: wonderful affiliates.

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Speaker 2: I'm to.

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Speaker 7: St Ron this morning that help.

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Speaker 4: Is on the way for protesters.

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Speaker 7: What did you mean by that will kind of help?

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Speaker 4: You're going to have to figure that one out.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I really love and kill in a rod.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's been able to give me an accurate number.

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Speaker 4: I have heard numbers from Everything's one is a lot,

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Speaker 4: but i've heard numbers much lower and I've heard numbers

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Speaker 4: much higher.

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Speaker 2: We'll be knowing. We're probably going to find out over

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Speaker 2: the next twenty golos, I think it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. That was President Trump, and you're born

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Speaker 1: in Michigan. This morning, when asked what does it mean

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Speaker 1: that help is on the way, he said to the reporter,

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Speaker 1: you're going to have to figure that out.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask David M.

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Speaker 1: Drucker Chase, political correspondent for the Dispatch and dapperly dressed

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Speaker 1: as always, what does it How do you think we're

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Speaker 1: supposed to figure it out?

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Speaker 2: David?

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Speaker 8: I guess we'll just have to wait for a report

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Speaker 8: of something. Look, I wouldn't expect the president, any president.

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Speaker 7: To foreshadow what it is they were going to do.

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Speaker 8: You don't want to let the you don't want to

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Speaker 8: let the Iranian regime know what's coming, know what you

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Speaker 8: have planned, and you want you want maximum benefit.

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Speaker 7: Uh, you want to weakend, if not decapitate three.

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Speaker 1: I think we lost David there. That's unfortunate. He's frozen.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to wait for David to come back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, David, I.

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Speaker 8: Would say it it's Look, you're never going to have

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Speaker 8: a president who foreshadows something like this, and occasionally.

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Speaker 7: Presidents will tell us what they're not going to do, which.

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Speaker 8: Is also a mistake. So I think this is a

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Speaker 8: case where the president's vagueness is an asset in what

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Speaker 8: we should be hearing from him, which means we're just

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Speaker 8: going to have to wait and see.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, well when he says, you're going to

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Speaker 2: have to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that known journalists could figure out is

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Speaker 1: a cyber attack on the regimes internal operations.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with me on that?

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Speaker 1: That's an assumption on my part is we would not

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Speaker 1: know if their internal operations of repression had been dislocated

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Speaker 1: by a cyber attack, would we.

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Speaker 8: I think you're right about that, actually, so I will

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Speaker 8: say that your assumption there or your hypothesis.

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Speaker 7: Could be correct and is very viable.

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Speaker 1: So my way of thinking is, I got to admit

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Speaker 1: to lifting this from the commentary podcast today. President Trump

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Speaker 1: doesn't go in for quiet. He likes boom, and therefore

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Speaker 1: something's going to go boom in Iran. That's my working

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Speaker 1: assumption assessment.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think that's a viable theory, and I think

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Speaker 8: he's proven that he does like a big spectacle when

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Speaker 8: he takes action. I think he's also proven at times

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Speaker 8: to be cautious and has chosen not to take action.

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Speaker 8: I think sometimes he's been compelled to take action, even

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Speaker 8: if he was initially hesitant.

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Speaker 7: So I will just say that I.

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Speaker 8: Could, I could imagine a range of outcomes here in

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Speaker 8: terms of how the US is going to act in

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Speaker 8: regard to what is happening in Iran.

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Speaker 7: None of these would surprise me.

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Speaker 2: None of them would also involve boots on the ground.

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Speaker 2: That's my theory.

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Speaker 1: But I guess we had boots on the round in

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Speaker 1: Venezuela for an hour and a half, so I guess

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Speaker 1: that's a separate category boots on the ground. Very briefly,

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Speaker 1: I don't see that happening because we haven't got Armada

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Speaker 1: off the coast of Iran, David Drucker, So.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well listen. It depends on how you look at

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Speaker 7: boots on the ground too.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, if you're talking a light footprint

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Speaker 8: with special forces, I don't look at that his boots

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Speaker 8: on the ground in terms of a large scale military operation, and.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's on the table now.

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Speaker 1: I want to move to the other big story of

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Speaker 1: today because nobody knows nothing except the President has set

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Speaker 1: the table for something. The Supreme Court arguments in the

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Speaker 1: two cases West Virginia versus BPJ and Idaho versus Hecocks.

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Speaker 2: Have you listened to any of that yet?

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Speaker 8: I listened to one clip, and I was busy today

965
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Speaker 8: and I haven't had a chance to catch up on

966
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Speaker 8: this or check out our Scotus long coverage over at

967
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Speaker 8: the Dispatch. But Hugh, I will say, as a matter

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Speaker 8: of politics here, you know, this is an argument that

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Speaker 8: the Left lost in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 7: Four and even now can't win.

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Speaker 8: There are a lot of arguments they're winning at the

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Speaker 8: beginning of twenty twenty six that they weren't in twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty four. This isn't one of them. So it'll be

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Speaker 8: interesting to see how the court rules. But the politics

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Speaker 8: of this is still settled.

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Speaker 1: In my view, I think the Court's going to rule

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Speaker 1: at least seven to two upholding Idaho in West Virginia's

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Speaker 1: right to ban biological boys playing in girls' sports. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see, David, it's my belief that the political cycle

980
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Speaker 1: will be fixed by the end of June when the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court hands this down. It might be the last

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Speaker 1: event that will make a difference. Right now, the Republicans

983
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Speaker 1: are underwater. Do they have enough time to turn that around?

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Speaker 7: Well, we'll see.

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00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 8: You're right about the general calendar of when voters' minds

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Speaker 8: get fixed. At the very least, Senator Mitch McConnell will

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Speaker 8: agree with you, because he's always argued and he's pretty

988
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Speaker 8: good at assessing political atmospherics. That you have six months

989
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 8: into the election, you're at best to turn the battleship.

990
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Speaker 7: If it needs to be turned.

991
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Speaker 8: There's always time and nothing certain, and history isn't always

992
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Speaker 8: proof of what's coming next.

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Speaker 7: But it's going to be tough and we'll just have

994
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Speaker 7: to see what happens.

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00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: So in terms of what's impacting those numbers, and the

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Speaker 1: Democrats have a five point laid on the generic ballot,

997
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: not the worst lead ever, not the greatest lead ever,

998
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 1: but not bad either. I think the price of gas

999
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: will matter. I believe that redistricting will matter. I don't

1000
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: think that the ice raids will matter. Do you disagree

1001
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: with me?

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00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know. Let me just say I don't

1003
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 7: know if I agree. Let me tell you what I think.

1004
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 8: You can decide whether I agree or disagree because you

1005
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 8: made a couple different points. I think it's possible the

1006
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Speaker 8: ice raids will matter because they're getting such broad political,

1007
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 8: broad news coverage and people are going to have opinions

1008
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 8: on them. I think affordability broadly matters, and not just

1009
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 8: one metric of a afordability, whether it's gas prices or

1010
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 8: something else. And right now the polling on that is

1011
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 8: just horrible, horrible for Republicans. I think we redistricting is

1012
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 8: going to end up being a wash, therefore not matter.

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00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 7: And I think this is about.

1014
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 8: How Americans feel and not about whatever the broad macro

1015
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 8: indicators tell us about an economy that remains very resilient.

1016
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Speaker 1: Yeah, David, I believe in being consistent myself, and I said,

1017
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Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty four, what are you paying for

1018
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: your groceries matters the most?

1019
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: Gas number two?

1020
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Speaker 1: I still believe that, and groceries aren't coming down even

1021
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 1: though gas is. Do you I agree with that assessment

1022
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: about priority what does it cost to eat?

1023
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 8: I think this problem is bigger, So I don't disagree

1024
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 8: with the way you've laid that out, but I think

1025
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 8: the problem is and the reason I have been using

1026
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 8: the word affordability going back almost a year, is because

1027
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 8: when I'm talking to people who talk to voters, and

1028
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 8: when I talk to voters.

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00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 7: This isn't just about particular items on the bills they're paying.

1030
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Speaker 8: This is about this idea that they're stretched in every direction,

1031
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 8: from housing to food, to paying.

1032
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 7: For their kids' education and everything else. It's different than

1033
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 7: the usual inflation anxiety.

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00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: Affordability is an accordion word, and it's a good one.

1035
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: For US journalist Steve David M.

1036
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Speaker 1: Drucker following on axis with the Dispatch, Stay tuned in

1037
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: America and Dude gi It in the Really Poctor Studio West.

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00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm joined by Brett Bhair, who is host of Special Report.

1039
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Speaker 1: Bradley had a lot of news to cover, but I

1040
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: want to start with a little bit of sports. Mike

1041
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: Tomlin retired today. He lasted nineteen years as a head coach. Now,

1042
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Speaker 1: you've been the anchor I think a Special Report for

1043
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 1: seventeen and I've been doing this for twenty six years,

1044
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: twenty five and a half. I can't imagine being an

1045
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: NFL head coach for nineteen years, can you?

1046
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 4: No, that's pretty long tenure. Good afternoon, Yeah, I think

1047
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 4: he had a hell of a run. But the not

1048
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 4: winning the playoff game, you know, that hangs over your

1049
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 4: head for a long time. In a football town like Pittsburgh,

1050
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 4: just happens. That's a long tenure.

1051
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: He's never had a losing season either. That's what's remarkable

1052
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: about That's like year over year growth every year in

1053
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: the broadcast business. I'm just amazed that he's calling it

1054
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: in all right, Brett. Today the President posted this morning

1055
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Speaker 1: help is on the way to the Iranian people. There

1056
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: will be no more negotiations. I think that's a throwdown,

1057
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think Donald Trump backs away from things

1058
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Speaker 1: like that.

1059
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Speaker 2: What do you think?

1060
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Speaker 4: I agree, and I think, having talked to a lot

1061
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Speaker 4: of people, that there's a sense that something something is happening,

1062
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Speaker 4: whether it is a green light for the Israelis, whether

1063
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Speaker 4: it is some kind of attack by US forces to

1064
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 4: assist the protesters in some way, shape or form and run.

1065
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Speaker 4: I think that there is this sense that in the

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Speaker 4: next hours or days that there may be some kind

1067
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Speaker 4: of action.

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Speaker 1: So I agree, But I also think most American news

1069
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Speaker 1: coverage is inverted. We're focused on a suburb or a

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Speaker 1: close inburb of Minnesota, Minneapolis where the killing took place

1071
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: of the woman demonstrator. Legal observer is the term of

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Speaker 1: art that's being thrown around, and Iran is convulsing and

1073
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Speaker 1: maybe as many as twelve thousand people are dead. Are

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Speaker 1: we not covering Iran as much because we can't or

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Speaker 1: because we don't want to?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't speak for other networks. We're covering it

1077
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Speaker 4: a lot, and maybe our lead tonight we have the

1078
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Speaker 4: exiled Iranian crown prints on Oh you do, Brasilabbi, and

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00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 4: we've got reporting from the ground from talking to people

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Speaker 4: through starlink, and yeah, we're full cord press on it.

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Speaker 4: We're obviously covering all that's happening in Minnesota. We're obviously

1082
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Speaker 4: covering the president's talk about the economy in Michigan, and

1083
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Speaker 4: we're walking and chewing down at the same time. But

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Speaker 4: we believe, I believe as an executive editor Special Report

1085
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Speaker 4: that potentially that's one of the biggest stories that we

1086
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Speaker 4: could be covering this year in the early months. You know,

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Speaker 4: what happens in Venezuela as another one, but I think

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Speaker 4: it really is consequential, and if it is, as a

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Speaker 4: lot of the observers think a different scenario this time

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Speaker 4: you're talking about something that could change the world.

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Speaker 2: It's a hinge moment.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy nine when the Shah was forced to flee,

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Speaker 1: that was a hinge moment, and we've lived with the

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Speaker 1: consequence of that for forty seven years. If the Crown

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Speaker 1: Prince comes back and I don't know what you're going

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Speaker 1: to get to, I want to ask you how you

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Speaker 1: prepare for that, because I really I've only seen one

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Speaker 1: interview with the Crown Prince. It was done by Mark

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Speaker 1: Dubowitz early this year or late last year, in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea you prepare for it.

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Speaker 1: But he has been more above the horizon in the

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Speaker 1: last two weeks then he has been in twenty five years,

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Speaker 1: I think, Brett, So, where did you find him?

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Speaker 2: Can you discuss that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? He did. I think he did one interview with Maria.

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Speaker 4: But he is in town here in d C. And

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Speaker 4: he is meeting on Capitol Hill. He's had several meetings

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Speaker 4: with Senators and House members. I'm not sure he's been

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Speaker 4: to the White House, but I know he had some

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Speaker 4: administration meetings, and you know, I think that the scenario

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Speaker 4: is is that he wants to get back to Iran

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Speaker 4: to be some kind of interim leader eventually if the

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Speaker 4: regine does in fact fall and then get to an election.

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Speaker 4: At least that's what he's talked about. But getting from

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Speaker 4: point A to point B is really interesting. I prepare

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Speaker 4: for it in that I've studied, you know, what he

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Speaker 4: said before, and also we want to get his sense

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Speaker 4: of talking to people on the ground to give some

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Speaker 4: ground perspective about what's really happening to Tehran and other cities.

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Speaker 1: That's tonight on Special Report Crown Prince Paul Love with

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Speaker 1: Brett Behar.

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Speaker 2: Brett.

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Speaker 1: Last week, I talked to the President. I asked him

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Speaker 1: if he would meet with the Crown Prince. He said,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that would be appropriate. Now the President

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Speaker 1: is not about throwing smoke in my eyes, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that means he's not going to do

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Speaker 1: it or not. Did you get anything out of him

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Speaker 1: or do you Will you get out anything out of

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Speaker 1: him about meeting with Trump?

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask definitely, I don't think he has. I

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Speaker 4: don't think he's met with him yet. And I said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: because you know, I think that there is some sense

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Speaker 4: of you know, this is a tipping point moment and

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Speaker 4: some planning towards what would happen if the regime collapsed

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Speaker 4: and what that looks like. You know, the protesters, a

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Speaker 4: lot of them are calling his name because they think

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Speaker 4: it can be a transition figure to get them from

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Speaker 4: point A to point B. But you know, he doesn't

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Speaker 4: have an army, and he's you know, he would need

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Speaker 4: some serious help to get back in power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What I haven't been able to figure out, Brett.

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Speaker 1: Maybe your resources can when the real goes to zero

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Speaker 1: value except for members of the regime, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what other choice people have. Their life savings have been

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Speaker 1: wiped out. The bizarres, the people who are the merchant class,

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Speaker 1: the middle class, they're all wiped out.

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Speaker 2: And what have they ready? Gory has told me, I'm

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Speaker 2: playing it next hour.

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Speaker 1: Eighty percent of the regime, eighty percent of the ninety

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Speaker 1: million Iranian hate the regime. Twenty percent have nothing but

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Speaker 1: the regime that break down with your understanding of it generally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's smaller and smaller as the ladder figure,

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Speaker 4: and that provides, you know, the tipping point moment. I

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Speaker 4: had a couple of experts on norm rule used to

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Speaker 4: be there. Oh yeah, yeah, he's great. And then Cream

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Speaker 4: Bingo or too Big, the two biggest names. The other

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Speaker 4: day on analyzing this, I thought they were really spot on.

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Speaker 4: There are essentially a list of things that you would

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Speaker 4: need for the run regime to collapse, and this time,

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Speaker 4: more than anytime, they've clicked all five of those pillars.

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Speaker 1: Now, Kareem Sajipori is with Carnegie, Norm I don't know

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Speaker 1: who Norm's with.

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Speaker 2: He might be still working for Langley. Is he an optimist?

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Speaker 4: He's an optimist actually, I mean he's a realist. It's

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Speaker 4: going to be tough, but he is. He's very aggressive

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Speaker 4: as far as this being the hinge moment, so we

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Speaker 4: see this as just everybody we're talking to being much

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Speaker 4: bigger than anybody who's making of it.

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Speaker 1: All right, my last question is really in the tall grass. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street General reported that Vice President Vance and

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Speaker 1: other White House age were trying to talk to the

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Speaker 1: president in and go siation, not the use of force.

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Speaker 1: Late last night, the Vice President's comms team began to

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Speaker 1: push back hard on that. His head of comms posted

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Speaker 1: on that's nonsense today right behind the president, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure they breached out to everyone at Fox as well

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Speaker 1: as me. That's just not true. Who do you think

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Speaker 1: is pushing the narrative that jd Vance is in isolation?

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Speaker 1: It's because it ain't jd Vance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's an interesting political dynamic outside of the foreign

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Speaker 4: policy things that are happening inside the White House, and

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Speaker 4: you know it all has to do with twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: It all has to do with positioning, and you know

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Speaker 4: Marco Rubio's ascendancy and spotlight on him and the attention

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Speaker 4: posts Venezuela and some of the questions that you're getting. Now,

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Speaker 4: where is it coming from? I don't know. It's It's

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Speaker 4: not Movi those people, I don't think. But I think

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Speaker 4: that there are some political swings that are trying to

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Speaker 4: position this moment ahead of twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: All right, now, last question, Brett, Your old colleague Pete

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Speaker 1: Eggsath is in all the pictures, but no one mentions

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Speaker 1: them when they talk about twenty twenty eight. Do you

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Speaker 1: think he might think he would, you know, fit behind

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Speaker 1: the Oval office desk pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: I think every Defense secretary and Secretary of State probably

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Speaker 4: looks in the mirror and sees the president. But I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure that Pete's peach in that camp.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I haven't talked to him about it, and.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously we're no longer in the Pentagon, and

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Speaker 4: we've asked for interviews NonStop with the Secretary of War

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Speaker 4: and having gotten one, so we aspire to and that'd

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Speaker 4: be a question i'd ask.

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Speaker 2: That's probably why he knows that, Brett Bert.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching tonight Raiza Shah pob Lobby left

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Speaker 1: behind a Crown Prince and that is going to be

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Speaker 1: Brett's guest tonight at six pm. America's anchorman, Brett Baert,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Brett, I appreciate the time. Don't go anywhere

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Speaker 1: America coming back with Lilas. I am going to cover Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: I am going to go back to the Supreme Court case.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do all of that, and then Aviv

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Speaker 1: Reddy Gore of the Free Press and The Times of

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Speaker 1: Israel is going to be here for hour three on

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Speaker 1: the Iranian paradox, which is how could a country that

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Speaker 1: was on the cusp of actually being the dominant power

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Speaker 1: in the Middle East in nineteen seventy nine when the

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Speaker 1: show was there, they could be as technologically advanced as

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Speaker 1: a silicon valley as Israel. They could be as high

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Speaker 1: tech as anywhere in the world, and they're a backwater

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Speaker 1: where the electricity doesn't work and the water is polluted,

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Speaker 1: and they are a shadow of their former cells.

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Speaker 2: Militarily, all they can do is send guns and money

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Speaker 2: to terrorists. How did that happen to vive? Ready?

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Speaker 1: Gurr will be here an hour three to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to use my promo code, Hugh Welcome back

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Speaker 2: in America. I'm Hewett.

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Speaker 1: Byron Yorke is a Fox News contributor as am I.

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Speaker 1: He is also the senior political correspondent for the Washington Examiner.

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Speaker 1: I read a column or two for the Examiner as well,

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Speaker 1: and Byron is the perfect guest today because Byron, yesterday

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal was fed as story that was

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Speaker 1: not true. The story they were fed was that Vice

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Speaker 1: President Vance was urging President Trump not to take kinetic

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Speaker 1: action against Iraq, pushing diplomacy, et cetera. The Vice President's

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Speaker 1: office went to great lengths today to let the world

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Speaker 1: note that that was not true. I asked Brett about it,

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Speaker 1: and he said, there's a lot going on inside of

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Speaker 1: the White House, but he didn't know who would be

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Speaker 1: out to damage the Vice president that way, because it

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Speaker 1: makes him sound to sound to be like an isolationist.

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Speaker 2: What do you think is going on there?

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Speaker 9: Well, we've long had reports sort of inside and out

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Speaker 9: about conflicts between the Vice President's office, the shop, and

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Speaker 9: the larger administration, and that is to paint Vance as

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Speaker 9: not on board against some of the foreign interventions and

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Speaker 9: foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: And Barer can.

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Speaker 1: Interrupt you for a second, that's news to me. I'm

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Speaker 1: in fairly regular contact with the office. He's been on

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Speaker 1: the program. I've been interviewing him for five years back

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Speaker 1: all the way to the when his book came out.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine he's not a backstabber. That's just not

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Speaker 2: who JD. Vance is.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, but that's that's him. I mean there are

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Speaker 9: lots of other people sort of involved. Oh okay, And

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Speaker 9: I mean you have to remember, I mean, when when

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Speaker 9: you hear news that's sort of out of the White

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Speaker 9: House or out of a criminal investigation or out of something,

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Speaker 9: you know it could come from the person who's right

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Speaker 9: in the center of everything, or it could come from

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Speaker 9: somebody out on the periphery who's heard about stuff. So

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Speaker 9: clearly there are I mean, obviously there is a fight

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Speaker 9: inside MAGA about isolationism, foreign interventions, endless wars, all of

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Speaker 9: this stuff, and the President has proved much more interventions

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Speaker 9: than I think most people would have predicted from the campaign,

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Speaker 9: and that doesn't sit well with some people who are

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Speaker 9: in his coalition.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Vice President is himself a veteran of the

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Speaker 1: Iraq War, a marine, and a rock syndrome is when

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Speaker 1: people think every kinetic action is going to turn into

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Speaker 1: a decade long commitment of troops, or in the case

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Speaker 1: of Afghanistan, a two decade long commitment of troops. And

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Speaker 1: so a rock syndrome is sort of like Vietnam syndrome

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Speaker 1: upside down or a new version of Vietnam syndrome. I

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Speaker 1: don't think the Vice President's got that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: anyone in the White House who does. Do you talk

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Speaker 1: to any of the well Neil isolations or the restrainers

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Speaker 1: is there sometimes called.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's unfortunate that as after Vietnam syndrome finally died,

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Speaker 9: we got a new syndrome roughly similar. But I look,

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Speaker 9: I do think that the Vice president sees saw a

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Speaker 9: lot of what happened in Iraq as a futile intervention

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Speaker 9: that shouldn't have been made. That the United States goes

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Speaker 9: to war for reasons that turn out to be you know,

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Speaker 9: not true, as President Bush actually conceded, and then the

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Speaker 9: war bogs down into you know, basically Americans driving around

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Speaker 9: and being attacked, and then finally there is a surge,

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Speaker 9: they get you know, stabilized and leave. But I don't

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Speaker 9: think the Vice President has a positive feeling or positive

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Speaker 9: assessment of the how the Iraq War went. So I mean,

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Speaker 9: I think I think Iraq war syndrome is actually.

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Speaker 2: Valid.

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Speaker 9: So the question is do you view every foreign intervention

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Speaker 9: as necessarily ending up like Iraq? And clearly I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, maybe the worst example of this is Tucker

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Speaker 9: Carlson saying that the United States bombed the Iranian nuclear

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Speaker 9: program and it would lead to war and tens of

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Speaker 9: thousands of casualties and all of this stuff that didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: And we know that now.

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Speaker 1: President Nixon, in his retirement wrote a book called No

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Speaker 1: More Vietnams. He did not mean by that no More

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Speaker 1: kinetic action. No more strike. He meant by that, no

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Speaker 1: more getting a half million troops bogged down in an

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Speaker 1: analyst conflict with no with no plan to win, and

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Speaker 1: with a self imposed refusal to go to the north

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Speaker 1: or do anything except bombing.

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Speaker 2: It was a crazy war.

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Speaker 1: I was run by the McNamara kids, and Johnson went

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Speaker 1: very very badly, and Nixon got it ended and he said,

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Speaker 1: never do that again.

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Speaker 2: And I think we kind of.

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Speaker 1: Did that again in Iraq at two third speed or

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Speaker 1: one third speed.

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Speaker 2: I'm not for that either.

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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan was never for that either. He was for

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Speaker 1: peace through strength. But Buddy used force when necessary, so

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Speaker 1: did George HW.

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Speaker 6: Bush.

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Speaker 9: You know, I think if if Donald Trump has a

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Speaker 9: doctrine about foreign interventions, it would be do it fast,

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Speaker 9: do it with overwhelming force, get the job done. It's over.

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Speaker 9: And that works. I mean, you know, that absolutely works.

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Speaker 9: And I think the Iran bombing is that is an

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Speaker 9: example of that, because I mean, I personally did not

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Speaker 9: think we needed to bomb Iran, because I think that

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Speaker 9: Israel was actually getting this job done in the course

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Speaker 9: of its and it was going to get the job

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Speaker 9: done in the course of its war with Iran. But

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Speaker 9: we did it anyway, and it was really it was

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Speaker 9: extremely effective and it didn't lead to any of the

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Speaker 9: immediate consequences at least.

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Speaker 2: That So, what do you think is on the menu now?

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Speaker 1: Because the president double he told me last week, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get him hard if they do if they kill people.

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Speaker 1: He told Sean Hannity that he put it on True

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Speaker 1: Social a couple of times today and Dearborn, he said

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Speaker 1: it again, help is on the way.

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Speaker 2: What's that mean to you? Byron York I don't know.

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Speaker 9: It looks like they've killed a lot of people, so

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Speaker 9: so what are we going to do? I don't know.

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Speaker 9: When the President said that originally, like the first time

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Speaker 9: he said, I thought to myself, why are we doing that?

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Speaker 9: I mean, there are lots of really bad regimes in

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Speaker 9: the world, and they will kill people who try to,

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Speaker 9: you know, rise up and favor of democracy, and this

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Speaker 9: just didn't seem like a good idea to me. But

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Speaker 9: so far the President hasn't done anything but on But

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Speaker 9: as far as if you're a foreign actress concerned and

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Speaker 9: the President threatened some sort of action, you probably ought

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Speaker 9: to take them seriously because at some point he's going.

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Speaker 2: To do it.

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Speaker 1: The thing that Iran has done that no one else

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Speaker 1: has done is try to kill Donald Trump. So that

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Speaker 1: kind of a category of one.

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Speaker 9: That's a good point, and it's never a good never

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Speaker 9: a good idea, because you know, there was a lot

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Speaker 9: of talk back in the Iraq War that George W. Bush,

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Speaker 9: you know, remembered that Iraq had tried to kill George H. W.

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Speaker 9: Bush and tried to kill my father. Yeah, and Bush

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Speaker 9: would mention that in discussions about the war in Iraq.

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Speaker 1: Deterrence is a is a dish best served consistently, now colderhot,

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Speaker 1: just consistently. I think Donald Trump is rebuilding American deterrence

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Speaker 1: Byron York. Follow him on Ectit Byron York, Sam on

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Speaker 1: the Fox News Channel. Read him at the Washington Examiner

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Speaker 1: every morning. Thank you, Byron. I'll be right back in America.

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Speaker 2: Stay too,