1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Access more. Welcome to the Happy Home. I'm our Lene Pellicane. 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Are we too young to be thinking about legacy? Hobby 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Lobby founder David Green says, we can all be thinking 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: about making a lasting, eternal impact on the generations that 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: follow us. Find out how you can develop a lasting 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: legacy in your home. 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: Next, strengthening you and your family. 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Happy Home podcast with your host Arlen Pelicane. 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: If you are married, a big part of your legacy 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: can be having a strong marriage and having that good 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: example that you give to your kids. Making Marriage Easier 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: that's my newest book about marriage, and if you go 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: to Makingmarriage Easier dot com, you're going to find all 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: sorts of free stuff, from little fifteen minute date night 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: ideas to ways to get curious about your spouse again. 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: So check it out at making Marriage Easier dot com. 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: I am so so excited to have the founder and 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: CEO of hobby Lobby. How exciting is this, David Green. 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: Hobby Lobby employees over fifty thousand people at one thousand 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: stores in forty eight states. And my friends, we ladies, 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: we like to go to hobby Lobby, and today we're 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: going to get to hear from David Green himself talking 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: about his new book, The Legacy Life, which he has 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: co authored with Bill High. He is the CEO of 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: Legacy Stone and Ministry dedicated to helping families thrive today. 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: So here we go with David Green and Bill High. 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: I want to start here because you are in a 28 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: very different position, David, than many of us, but we 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: can still do similar things as you. So, for instance, 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: your hobby lobby, which I'm pretty sure my listeners are 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: very familiar with, gross is nearly eight billion dollars a year. 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: But when you talk about legacy, you're not primarily talking 33 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: about financial wealth. Help us understand what you are thinking 34 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: about when you say legacy. 35 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think legacy is what you've created as well 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 3: as what you leave behind. And so that's what we 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: kind of think about. What is it that God has 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: asked us to do? Because we are all asked to 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: do something different. You're asked to do something different than myself, 40 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: and what did God call you to do? So we 41 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: want to put that in place where we're leaving, but 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: also leave a legacy. I think we leave a legacy 43 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: with our children and our children's children and our children's 44 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: children so I've got I think it's fifteen different great grandkids, 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 3: and so we want our legacy to pass through our 46 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: children and our grandchildren, our great grandchildren. So right now 47 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 3: I have forty six children and grandchildren and great grandchildren. 48 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't know why, but they 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 3: all live here in the Oklahoma City area. 50 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 4: So you must be doing something right, something right. 51 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: Or something wrong, but basically basically something right. So we 52 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 3: love it to have our family all around us. But 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 3: we want to leave a legacy. And our family is 54 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: such much much more important raising him to serve the 55 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: Lord than our business. That they're both very important, but 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: we love the fact that our children are serving the Lord. 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something that really struck me as I was 58 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: reading your book, is that you're talking you're both writing 59 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: about four generations. You know, we live in a culture 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, my kids, you know, now I'm 61 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: empty nest and my kids are gone. Now I'm going 62 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: to go on vacation, and we're not thinking like, okay, 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: now I get to invest in their kids and then 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: their kids. So this is so beautiful because it echoes 65 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: the pages of scripture over and over. I am the 66 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob like, this is scriptural. 67 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: So I want to go back to. 68 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: Your parents, David, because your story is so amazing. Your parents, 69 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Walter and Marie Green, they married in nineteen thirty three 70 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: in Kansas City, and your mom's dad was an evangelist 71 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: and your father came to Christ during a tent revival. 72 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: Tell us about that a little. 73 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you got it. 74 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that's very strange because my mother and 75 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: I hope you're of this persuasion, was actually a preacher. 76 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: My mother was, and so she was. 77 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: My dad was converted during a tent revival that my 78 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: great grandfather was preaching in my mother, and so that's 79 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: how my dad come to know the Lord and went 80 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 3: to that. They pastored churches all the time that I was. 81 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 4: I was with them, So. 82 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: Usually missionary dating does not work, but this worked because 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: he knew the Lord before they actually started exactly. 84 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it worked out really good. So we're proud of 85 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: our parents. And they brought all of their six kids. 86 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: I'm the fifth to serve the Lord. Wow. 87 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: And you know you write about how every two years 88 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: they would move because there were you know, the denomination 89 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: would send them to another church and the you were, 90 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, you didn't have much money, and when you 91 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: had got a chicken, why was this a significant thing 92 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: in what happened to your dinner? 93 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: Chicken? 94 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: Well, most of the time we got vegetables out of 95 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: someone's garden. So when I was raised in the forties, 96 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: there was not a lot of money. People just bartered 97 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: and things of that nature. And a lot of the 98 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,119 Speaker 3: tide that came into the church was vegetables and things 99 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: out of people's gardens. So so a chicken was kind 100 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 3: of unusual for eight people. So anyway, that was that 101 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: was kind of a good day for us. 102 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 5: But anyway, that much your dad got the neck, Yeah, 103 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 5: well my dad, Yeah, And I don't know how much 104 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 5: meat he got out of the neck, but that's the way. 105 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: But I have no complaints about how I was raised. 106 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 4: We were raised. 107 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: Bill here tells me he was poorer than I was 108 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: when he was raised, But I think I was poor 109 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: in here. 110 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 4: But we've been arguing about that for some time. 111 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: But I've never complained about that because we had enough 112 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: and God had always supplied our needs. 113 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you talk about in the book like it's okay, 114 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: I hate to be uncomfortable, like many of us parents, 115 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: we think, oh, we have to give our children worldly 116 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: wealth and worldly goods, and we oh, heaven forbid they're 117 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: uncomfortable like that they wear the wrong style or wear 118 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: the wrong shirt or whatever. But actually those things can 119 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: really form us and help us spiritually. 120 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: Talk to us. 121 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: About being in band David and being kind of at 122 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: the bottom of the totem pole, so to speak. 123 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: In school. 124 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had an aunt that sent me a clarinet. 125 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: Now, if I chose an instrument, it wouldn't have been 126 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: a clarinet. And so I told everybody that I was 127 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 3: last chair, so they would have first chair, second chair, 128 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: you'd try out. And there was about seven ladies or 129 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: girls ahead of me, and I was the last chair. 130 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: And on the other hand, the tuba came available the school. 131 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: On the tuba and I got first chair within about 132 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: it two years. So I have a lot of hot 133 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: air and that I'm real well with that. But on clarinet, 134 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: I just squeaked most of the time. So that was 135 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: kind of my high school time of just learning how 136 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: to play a tuba, and I enjoyed it because it 137 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: is a lot of noise and I could do that 138 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: with clarinet. You couldn't hardly hear it, but it was. 139 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: It was a good time. 140 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: Is it true? Bill? Can he make a lot of noise? 141 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 5: He's been known for that. We've been doing events for 142 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 5: a long time and we bring in different leaders from 143 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 5: around the country. We've been probably doing this twenty some years, David, 144 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 5: and so we just shared the story and do a 145 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 5: lot of Q and A. David will tell a lot 146 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 5: of really bad lawyer jokes. 147 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 4: I'm a lawyer, so Hi, what can you do with that? Yeah? 148 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 5: There you go. So anyway, we get a lot of that. 149 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 5: But we've been doing this for a lot of years. 150 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 5: And by the way, just one thing, kind of going 151 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 5: back to some of your first questions is it's they 152 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 5: are four generations that live here in Oklahoma City, but 153 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 5: it is important to recognize, well it was also his 154 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 5: mom and dad and a generation before that, so it's 155 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 5: at least six generations that we know of that the 156 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 5: family has been following the faith. And that's one of 157 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 5: the things we really try to use through David's story 158 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 5: is to bring out this idea, is that God's design, 159 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 5: just like you said, his design for family is to 160 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 5: be this multi generational family. And so we put that 161 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 5: in motion by living a life of faithfulness in the moment, 162 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 5: but recognizing that God has that design for us. 163 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: One thing in the book I just absolutely loved that. 164 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: I never thought of as you say. You put in 165 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: this fact in the Bible that Asaf was the chief 166 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: musician for David and for Solomon. But Nehemiah seven forty 167 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: four says there were one hundred and forty eight sons 168 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: of Asaff still in pursuit of God in worship, and 169 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: that was five hundred years later. 170 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: So I love this. 171 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: It's like, whoa, five hundred years later they were still 172 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: following in that role of worships. I thought, wow, I 173 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: love that you really put that out because we are 174 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: not thinking in that way. How can a family start 175 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: thinking more generationally? If this is like they're just the 176 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: how do I make it through the next day? Like 177 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: how do I get dinner on the table? How do 178 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: they make that switch of saying wait a minute, this 179 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm much part of a much more exciting plan than 180 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: I've been realized. 181 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll jump in here first, and I'll let David 182 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 5: talk about what he's done in his family. But the 183 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 5: idea first is recognizing God's design is not just what 184 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 5: I call the Western view that you raise your kids 185 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 5: up and kick them out, and it's what I call 186 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 5: the nest kind of view. But the real Biblical view 187 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 5: is that now we're meant to be a team, and 188 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 5: we're meant to work together and to advance God's kingdom together. 189 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 5: That's a very different perspective, and the scriptures give us 190 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 5: actually a lot of examples. So you mentioned the story 191 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 5: of Asap five hundred years in the Book of Ezra. 192 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 5: Ezra is at least sixteen generations that we know about. 193 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 5: So here in our Western world we need to think 194 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 5: differently about family. We need to think about the generations 195 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 5: that have gone before and generations up ahead. But it's 196 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 5: really built around this idea that we need to have 197 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 5: a clear vision, mission, and value statement that we articulate, 198 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 5: grab a hold of, pass to the next generation, who 199 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 5: passes to the next And so David, you guys have 200 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 5: worked on that, but you also inherited some of that 201 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 5: as well. 202 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: Right, Bill helped our family come together and actually have 203 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: a document that this is who we are, this is 204 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: who the Green family are is. And one of the 205 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: things we've done is we put together what our mission, 206 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: our vision, and our values are. And so once the 207 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: year we have a celebration to say this is who 208 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 3: we are. Gen one and Gen two put it together 209 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: myself and my children, and we gave it to Gen 210 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: three and they accepted that this. 211 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 4: I accept this. They may have changed a. 212 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: Scripture too, that we had scriptures for everything that we 213 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: had documented. So that was really important to us to 214 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: say this is who we are, this is who we 215 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: want to be. And I think that helps us in 216 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: our legacy to carry this down from one generation to 217 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: the other. And there's like forty seven of us, and 218 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: if one of us gets out and can happen, they're 219 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: not real comfortable because they're just not They're going the 220 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: wrong way in a strain. And so it's really exciting 221 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: to see your kids follow after the Lord. And I 222 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: think that's the greatest thing you can do in generation, 223 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: is just to. 224 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 4: Follow the God's word. 225 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: And God's word tells us that there's I always say 226 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: we have two lives. One of them is a vapor 227 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: and one's eternal. So when we think about that and 228 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: we talk about that, I think that helps us think 229 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 3: about more of the eternal life that we're going to 230 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: have instead of the temporal. So so many times we 231 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 3: put so much emphasis on them now in today, when 232 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: we ought to think, also, no, there's an eternal. 233 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 4: Life that we're going to all have. 234 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: And I think if we do that, we can get 235 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: things right just by having that real simple thought that 236 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: you're going to have an eternal life and this life 237 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 3: is very temporal. So I think that's part of what 238 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 3: helps bring our family together, is to know we've got 239 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: to think about the bigger picture and not just the temporal. 240 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 5: Life, just some real practical instruction too. It's that idea. 241 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 5: So because you have moms and dads, maybe kids, listen 242 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 5: to this. It's the idea that write it down. This 243 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 5: is Deuteronomy six. Write it down and then post it 244 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 5: in your house, put it at your dinner table, talk 245 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 5: about what are your family values on a day by 246 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 5: day basis. That's what Deuteronomy six talks about, that these 247 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 5: things should first be on your heart, and then you 248 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 5: want to be able to talk about them when you 249 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 5: rise up, when you lie down, when you're walking by 250 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 5: the way, which is pretty much all day. And that 251 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 5: idea of just put it on your wall, talk about 252 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 5: here's who we are. And then I don't want you 253 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 5: to miss this idea that they have an annual family 254 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 5: celebration where they renew their commitment around that. And the 255 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 5: Bible teaches us about this idea of celebrate. There are 256 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 5: seven festivals in the Bible, and it's a distinct purpose. 257 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 5: It's a time to pull back, remember, reflect what God 258 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 5: has done, and remind us of how much He's done 259 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 5: for us and what he'll do for us going forward 260 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 5: as well. 261 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: It's really beautiful. 262 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: My husband came up with an acronym when our kids 263 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: were really small, and you will laugh at the acronym. 264 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: It's Robs. So it's like, what are we gonna rob? 265 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: But it was that we didn't want to rob God. 266 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: That was kind of how we fix that. But the 267 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: Robs was right that we do what's right. The O 268 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: is others, that we think of others with ourselves, The 269 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: b is our best, that we want to do things 270 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: with excellence, and the S is smile, that we do 271 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: things with joy. And you know, with the scriptures and such, 272 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: so Robs and our kids they would know that, Like 273 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: when they were little, you could say, well was that right? 274 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: What you did you know? Were you doing your best? 275 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 2: Were you thinking of others? 276 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: Et? Cetera. 277 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: So I want to go back to something, David, that 278 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: as you were talking about the vapor and the eternal 279 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: life and then the vapor life, your mom would really 280 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,359 Speaker 1: ask you, what are you doing for eternity? 281 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: Right? 282 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: What are you doing for eternity? 283 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: And I think that question for us to ask of ourselves, 284 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: ask of our children, our grandchildren, is something so precious. 285 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: Talk a little bit, you know, your parents. When your 286 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: dad passed away, and then when your mom passed away, 287 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: you write about how she just had a few clothes 288 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: in her closet. She didn't have enough money, you know, 289 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: to have the funeral and et cetera. But she was 290 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: so rich in the Lord, and your parents dreamt of 291 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: spreading the gospel. That was their passion. They dreamt of that. 292 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: And I just want to hear your perspective of like, Wow, 293 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: they sowed that seed, and you are you reaped for them? 294 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: And then your kids all that bring us there, bring 295 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: us to your mom's bedside when she went. It was 296 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: just such a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful picture. 297 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 298 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: I remember when I started getting advancements at TG and Wife, 299 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: where I worked for many years, and I would come 300 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: home and say, hey, Mom, I'm the manager of the store, 301 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: the one of the youngest managers ever, you know. 302 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: Very young. 303 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 3: I think I was twenty one years I got my 304 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: own store, and I was so proud of it, and 305 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: she said, yeah, what are you doing for the Lord? 306 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: So I'd come back a few years later. 307 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: And say, hey, Mom, I'm the district manager of all 308 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: the stories in Oklahoma, and she had the same response, Yes, David, 309 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: what are you doing for the Lord? And so I 310 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: tell people, if I came back and said I'm the 311 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: President of the United States, she would say, yes, what 312 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: she would be totally totally unimpressed with anything other than 313 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: the eternity. So she really got that into her six children. 314 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: And when she died, I tell people, she's one of 315 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: the most wealthy people that I've ever met known because 316 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: my mother had a tremendous relationship with the Lord. She 317 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: had six children that served the Lord, she had a 318 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: marriage that lasted for life, and she wanted nothing. There 319 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: was nothing on this earth she wanted. And you're content 320 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 3: when you want nothing. My mother wanted nothing. So I 321 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: try to follow that in my life is just wanting nothing. 322 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: And so when she died, she died in the arms 323 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: of her daughter, and she says, do you see them? 324 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: Do you see them? 325 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: And what do you see? And she said, I see angels? 326 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: You know. 327 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: So that was then she passed. So my mother was 328 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 3: very very, very very rich. And so what is real riches? 329 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: My mother know and knew what real riches were, and 330 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: so that reflects on us kids as far as knowing 331 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: what wealth really is. And she we knew that she 332 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: was a very wealthy lady. 333 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: I want to talk about you becoming a merchant because 334 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: I love it. When you were in high school you 335 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: were like, I am really good at being a merchant. 336 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: And many of us as parents, you know, we're trying 337 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: to help our kids discover, you know, how has God 338 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: shaped you, what has God gifted you to do? Talk 339 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: a little bit about that because sometimes we think, oh, 340 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: being a pastor would be more quote unquote spiritual than being, 341 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, a salesperson, and yet this is not how 342 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: this works. So talk about your journey of finding out 343 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: what you were good at. 344 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think about that when I'm thinking about 345 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: my kids, my grandkids, my great grandkids. And there's a 346 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: bunch of us and we're at forty six in county, 347 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: so we've got about six. I think that's adopted. And 348 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: so we have a beautiful family. And one of the 349 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: things that we really try not to do is we 350 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: try not to direct them in whatever God has for them, 351 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 3: because God has something unique for every one of us. 352 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 4: So we don't want to be the one. Now. 353 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: We will encourage them and should in particular areas of 354 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 3: their life that they seem to be good on, but 355 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 3: we really don't think it's our job to direct our 356 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 3: children to be a missionary, to be a pastor, or. 357 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 4: Not to be. 358 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: So I grew up and my five brothers and sisters 359 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 3: were all pastors or they were pastors wives, and I 360 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 3: grew up as a merchant. And for a long time 361 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: that really bothered me that, well, I'm not a pastor 362 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 3: and I'm not doing this. But there was a point 363 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: in my life where something happened to me when I 364 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 3: knew I was exactly where God wanted me, that I 365 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: am a God called merchant and that's what I'm supposed 366 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: to be doing. So I think God has something different 367 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: for us. But wherever we are, we can make a 368 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 3: difference in this world for people, and that's what we. 369 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 4: Try to do, is hobby lobby. 370 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: We try to tell as many people as possible about 371 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: this good news. We have the greatest news on earth, 372 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: and we want to tell everybody about it, everybody we can. Yeah. 373 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: I was recently in the Museum of the Bible. You 374 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: see all these good things that you all have been 375 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: able to bring to life, and it's it's amazing. 376 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: It's awesome. 377 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: Help us to untether from our love for money, you know, 378 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: I'm sure that you know. Sometimes we think like, oh, 379 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: if I had more of it, then i'd know what 380 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: to do with it. But it's like, no, if you 381 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: had more of it, you'd make the exact same mistakes 382 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: that you're making with you about. 383 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: Jeff right now. 384 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: So help us to get that better perspective of of 385 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: how do I steward this money? Well, but how do 386 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: I not become so consumed and focused on it? 387 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? 388 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: I think I learned a lot from my parents on 389 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: that they just never saw money and more and more 390 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: and more stuff and more stuff and more stuff, you know, 391 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 3: And sometimes the bad thing about that someone that doesn't 392 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: have a lot steal thinks that's where they're going to 393 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: get their happiness, and they're still pursuing it. Somehow, I 394 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: know that we have it okay, but we don't necessarily 395 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: want it or even to a point we all have 396 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: to have a certain amount of finance. There's a balance 397 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: between that. But in our family and in Hobby Lobby 398 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: and our family, we wanted to make sure that we 399 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 3: money can actually ruin people, and so we wanted to 400 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: make sure that everybody in our company, in our family 401 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: rather earns what they receive. So everybody earns what they receive. 402 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: No one gets a penny from Hobby Lobby that they 403 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 3: don't earn. We've never taken a dollar profit and given 404 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: it to the family. They get a salary of which 405 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 3: they earn, and they earn what they contribute. They contribute more, 406 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: they earn more, So we try to give a number 407 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: that makes sense for them in the company. So everybody 408 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: earns what they get. But we think a lot of 409 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 3: money can really really destroy you. Doesn't have to. But 410 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 3: we think money can also be a good thing, and 411 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 3: for us, it's to give to tell other people about 412 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: the good news of Jesus Christ, and so that's what 413 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 3: we try to do with our finance. 414 00:19:58,840 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: Hardly. 415 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 5: If I can jump in here too, I think it's 416 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 5: really important for people to understand we talk about the 417 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 5: idea of five capitals, or the five forms of wealth. 418 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 5: Financial wealth is just one. It's the intellectual, the social, 419 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 5: the emotional capital, and spiritual capital. And if you had 420 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 5: to bankrupt one form of capital, which one would you bankrupt? 421 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 5: You bankrupt financial because if you had the other four 422 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 5: you'd be perfectly fine. On the other hand, if you 423 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 5: could only pass on one, just like David said, vapor 424 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 5: life or eternal life, you would vote for the spiritual 425 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 5: capital for sure, because that's your eternal destiny. And I 426 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 5: think that's why sometimes we get so focused on trying 427 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 5: to build a financial portfolio and we neglect the others. 428 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 5: That's just short term thinking. If you invest in those others, man, 429 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 5: you're going to be great, and you're going to be 430 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 5: great for eternity. 431 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 4: We are. 432 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: My husband loves to listen to audiobooks and we are 433 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: re listening to The Millionaire next Door. 434 00:20:59,520 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 4: You know that. 435 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: And in that book it talks about economic outpatient care 436 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: that we as parents sometimes we give our adult children. 437 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: We cripple them by giving them too much and not 438 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: allowing them to learn the responsibility and to flourish. And Wow, 439 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: the Green Family sounds like you guys, are doing good 440 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: with that. 441 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 2: Can you give a word about that? 442 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: How parents we can overdo for our kids sometimes financially well. 443 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 3: I think I come down to the word of earn. 444 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: If you earn something, you should get it, but if 445 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: you don't earn it, you shouldn't get it. 446 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: So we feel like that we're. 447 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: Taking something away from our children when we give something 448 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: they didn't earn. We have it, we can give it, 449 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: and we said, oh, we want to do this for 450 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: our kids. We want our boys to don't have to 451 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: pay for their own car. No, you pay for your 452 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 3: own car. 453 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 4: We'll help you. 454 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 3: So there's things that we do help our great grandchildren, 455 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: like Christian school. We think that we want them in 456 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: Christian schools. So there's things we do. But there's things 457 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 3: we don't want to do, and that's take away from 458 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: them their ability to earn whatever they get. So I 459 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: think though just the simple word of earn in our family, 460 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 3: we want to make sure you earn it. If you 461 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: earn it, that's great. And so if you earn a 462 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 3: lot of finance, then you have to come along and say, well, 463 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: how much of this should I be stewards of and 464 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 3: give back to God? Because everything belongs to him anyway. 465 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 3: The Bible says God owns everything. So once we see 466 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: that in the light that it's meant to be, we 467 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: see that whatever we have is how much should I 468 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: keep and how much should I give. We've decided to 469 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: give half of our earnings and we've done that for 470 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 3: over twenty years because it's not ours, it's his. So 471 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 3: we see ourselves as stewards of what God has given 472 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 3: us and not owners. And I think that's the way 473 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: the scripture wants to advise us and does advise us. 474 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: The generous soul will be made rich the proverbs, and 475 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: it's like you get more and then it frees you 476 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: from the lure of wanting, of loving it right giving 477 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: it away. That's and it's something we can do as 478 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: whatever percentage that we can think of, Hey, how can 479 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: I give just a little bit more this year instead 480 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: by a little bit more. 481 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, the hardest David says says this. He says, the 482 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: hardest thing to do is to not do for your kids. 483 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 5: So that's a really powerful kind of statement. When you 484 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 5: let that sink in. How do you let them struggle 485 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 5: a little bit? On the other hand, where you were going, 486 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 5: I think Arleen is this idea is that they do 487 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 5: have a monthly family meeting where they sit down and 488 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 5: they talk about where they're going to give together. And 489 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 5: that's generation one and generation two and generation three get 490 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 5: to sit in that meeting. And sometimes in my own work, 491 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 5: I'm afraid that I see maybe it's mom and dad, 492 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 5: or maybe it's dad or mom. They control all the 493 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 5: giving and they don't actually invite the kids or the 494 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 5: grandkids into that. So again, one of the things that 495 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 5: we encourage for families, moms and dads is have a 496 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 5: regular family meeting and have giving beyond the agenda. Let 497 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 5: your kids engage in that conversation practically speaking, let them participate, 498 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 5: and even let them bring ministries to the table and say, hey, 499 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 5: we'd love to participate paid in this. But that's one 500 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 5: of the easiest ways to teach family values is through 501 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 5: that family meeting and the idea of how do we 502 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 5: give together. It's the first and easiest place that we 503 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 5: often tell families to start, and we. 504 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: Don't like to We don't like to spend all of 505 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: our time talking about giving of money because a lot 506 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: of people do not have that much. They need to 507 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: give whatever they should based on what God has blessed 508 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 3: them with. But there's also time, and there's other things 509 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: that you can give. What are you giving that you have? 510 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: And some of us it's our time, it's our talent. 511 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 3: It's different things that we have to give. So I 512 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: don't like to talk so much about that this is 513 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 3: what you have money, you don't have money. No, God 514 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: has something different for all of us. And he may 515 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: want our time. He made talent, something we have. He 516 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 3: wants because he owns everything anyway, So we need to 517 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: give it back to him because he gave it to us. 518 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 3: So I don't I want to make sure that when 519 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: we're talking it's not about just in our case. God 520 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 3: wants our time, he wants our talent. Today, he wants 521 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: our time. And this guy here is working me to death. 522 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: But you have to give something other than just your 523 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 3: Whatever it is that God has given you, you need 524 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: to give it back to him. 525 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wonderful. 526 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: It could be a discussion of like, hey, you're really creative, artistic, 527 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: how does God want to give that talent? Is there 528 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: someone that you're supposed to draw a picture for this 529 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: month and you know, for your daughter to talk about 530 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: that or whatever it is. Is there someone at school 531 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: who at school is God put on your heart that 532 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: you're supposed to minister to, Like those are really really 533 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: good discussions in the family meeting. That's beautiful. Help us 534 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: in this day. You write in the book about how 535 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: that sometimes just because we're child focused, we think, oh 536 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: this is correct, But being child focused doesn't mean that 537 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: we're family focused. And here you're talking about having a 538 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: child centered home. Help us in this area because so 539 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: many of us are growing up and we've got the 540 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: marriage and the bat we're barely talking to God because 541 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: we are just spending one hundred percent with our to 542 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: our kids. All the energy is going to the kids, 543 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: and we think that's the way to do it. Help 544 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: us understand this idea of child centered and family centered. 545 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 3: Yes, I think it's so important that the child does 546 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: not become you're full, and it can it can take 547 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: all of your time, all your attention, and you need 548 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: to focus on your children. But you know, I think 549 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: we learned when we were growing up because we didn't 550 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 3: have a lot of money. So as a family, there's 551 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: six of us, we would go out and pick cotton together. 552 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 4: Now, if we got a sofit the house the. 553 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: Only way we could get it is to pull our money, 554 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: and so we actually pulled our money to buy a 555 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: piece of furniture. Then when I was in high school, 556 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: I worked after school and I bought furniture for the home. 557 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: So I think, how can we come together and see 558 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 3: ourselves as a family as a unit that we're all important. 559 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 3: The marriage is important, the children is important. But I 560 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: think we can focus so much on the children that 561 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 3: we get a little bit off base. And I think 562 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 3: that's something that we shouldn't do. They're important, but they're 563 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: not so important that the family should should trump just 564 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 3: the children. And so I think if we're not careful, 565 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 3: we'll have it so focused that it's all about them 566 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 3: and at some point they know that, and I don't 567 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: know that that's really good and healthy for a family. 568 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 3: So how do we come together to the best we can? 569 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 3: We eat together, and we do things as much as 570 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: possible together. And that's what we have to work hard 571 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 3: in this culture to accomplish. And it doesn't happen without 572 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: giving it some thought. 573 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 5: I sometimes say, Arlene, that we're really resetting the theology 574 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 5: of family, this Western view of raise them up and 575 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 5: kick them out, retire to a beach is very Western 576 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 5: and it's actually pretty new really since the nineteen sixties 577 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 5: is the idea of retirement became much more common. But 578 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 5: it used to be you used to work till the 579 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 5: end of your days and the family stayed together. But 580 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 5: the Bible was written from a Middle Eastern perspective. Jesus 581 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 5: was in Israel, and the perspective that the Bible's written 582 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 5: from is that it was the family unit that you 583 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 5: were talking to, which what they call this collective view. 584 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 5: And that's what David was talking about, is that you 585 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 5: work together. You played together. The family, oftentimes because it 586 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 5: was farm based, was the economic unit. So it was 587 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 5: the church, it was the school, it was the business. 588 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 5: And that idea of working together, playing together, advancing God's 589 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 5: kingdom together. It's much different than oh, you got your sport, 590 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 5: you got your violin. All that very difficult to pull 591 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 5: that back together and say we need to be together. 592 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: Wow, And this is leadership. This is the parents taking 593 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: the leadership and parent you're listening, so you've got an 594 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: exciting time ahead. Please re listen to this podcast, you know, 595 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: and think, how can I have more of this legacy life? 596 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: Is there anything in closing that you want to add 597 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: and then also let us know how we can find 598 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: out more about this book. The Legacy life. 599 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: One of the things that I do with all of 600 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: our co managers that are going to be future managers, 601 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: we bring them in here. We really want them to. 602 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 4: Understand our culture. 603 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 3: So we have them here for a couple of days 604 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: and I speak to them for not a long because 605 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that can help them in 606 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: different areas. But one of the areas that I want 607 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 3: to talk to them and I always talk to them 608 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: about is their family and how important their family is. 609 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 3: You know, we close on Sundays, we close at eight o'clock. 610 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: We only open sixty six hours a week. So we 611 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 3: think the family is more important than hobby lobby. And 612 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: we tell them that that and it may not seem right, 613 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: but we think it's right that there's something more important 614 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: than this hobby lobby and we want you to work 615 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: reasonable hours. We give them more reasonable hours, but we 616 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 3: tell them the most important thing. And by the way, 617 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 3: it's not too hard for us to be successful at 618 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 3: our job. Most of us are pretty good and it's successful. 619 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: But where we seem to fail as the family and 620 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: so we really want them to know that they need 621 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 3: to spend more more time with their family. 622 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 4: We're going to give. 623 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: Them more time and that is much much a bigger 624 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: job for them to have a good family, a good marriage, 625 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: children that serve the Lord, and we want them to 626 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: have time to do that. 627 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 4: But we just let them know the reason we do 628 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: all the things we do. 629 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: And it is so that they can focus on their 630 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 3: family to be successful at their family, and that takes 631 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 3: a lot of work. It just doesn't happen without a 632 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: lot of work. 633 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 4: They work real hard at their job to be good. 634 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 3: Why do we not work as hard at our family 635 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 3: to have a good family, Because that is a bigger 636 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 3: challenge than work. And so we really want to encourage 637 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: them to do everything to have a family that God 638 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: would be pleased with. So we really want to put 639 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: a lot of emphasis on the family and give them 640 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: time to not just take them away because we could 641 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: work in them many many hours, and I came. 642 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 4: From that environment and I didn't want to give our 643 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 4: people that. 644 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 3: So the family is so important that we need we 645 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: need to be more intentional about our family. 646 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 4: And that's what we would hope that our people do. 647 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 5: Know what you're setting in motion for the generations, so 648 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 5: yes about it. They can find the book by the 649 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 5: way at Hobbylobby and they can pre order it as well. 650 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 5: They can also go to Legacystone dot com forward slash 651 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 5: Legacy Life and find the book there as well. So 652 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 5: thanks for having us on our link. 653 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: Very good, and we'll have all those links in the 654 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: show notes. Thank you so much, David, Thank you. 655 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 5: Bill, thank you, thank you, thank you. 656 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: Well, this is some easy homework for you. 657 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: Go into hobby Lobby and grab the book Legacy Life, 658 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: or you can get it online wherever books are sold, 659 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: and you can check it out at Legacystone dot com 660 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: slash Legacy Life, and those links will be in the 661 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: show notes. 662 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: What a joy to be together today. 663 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: Let's build strong families that impact not only our generation, 664 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: but think of that four generations, the generations above us, 665 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: the generations below us, and how can we impact our 666 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: families and the world for Christ through the generations. Such 667 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: an inspiring podcast. I'm so glad you were here. If 668 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: you've never reviewed the Happy Home podcast, I invite you 669 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: to do so. We would love to hear your feedback 670 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: and if there's anything that you want us to talk 671 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: about on the podcast. 672 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: I'd love to hear your. 673 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: Questions at speaking at arlenpelicane dot com, and that link 674 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: will also be in the show notes. Remember you don't 675 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: have to come from a happy home to create one. 676 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: You too, can have a happy home.