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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to every Day Prayers with million praying moms

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Speaker 2: helping you pray God's word for your family in the

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Nicolette Bell. Here.

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Speaker 2: We believe prayer isn't a last resort. It's our first

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Speaker 2: and best response in parenting, and every day we come

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Speaker 2: together to partner with God for the hearts of our children.

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Speaker 2: I am so thrilled today to have author Christy Thomas

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Speaker 2: with us on the show.

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Speaker 1: Christy, Welcome to the show. Hi, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: having me today.

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Speaker 2: We are so excited to talk about Christy's new book

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Speaker 2: on gentleness, and we will do that right after we

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Speaker 2: have a quick word from our sponsors.

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Speaker 1: Christy, We're so glad to have you on this show today.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited because every Day Prayers for Gentleness, your

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Speaker 2: new book is out in the world and we are

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Speaker 2: thrilled to be talking about it today on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Before we kind of get into some conversation about gentleness,

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Speaker 2: would you begin me just telling us.

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Speaker 1: A little bit about you and your family. Sure. Well,

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Speaker 1: I am from Alberta, Canada.

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Speaker 3: So if you hear any weird little accent and you're

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out what is it that I'm hearing.

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Speaker 3: It's Canada, I hear we sound a little bit like Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: so you know, guess from that. My husband is John

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Speaker 3: and he works for the public school board, and despite that,

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Speaker 3: we homeschool our kids. I have all three boys there

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Speaker 3: at this point. They're seventeen, fourteen, and twelve, and we've

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Speaker 3: been homeschooling for the last few years. We didn't always

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Speaker 3: home school. We were a public school family for a

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Speaker 3: while as well. This is just what fits us in

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Speaker 3: this season, and I really love it. I also worked

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Speaker 3: as the children's ministry director at my church for almost

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Speaker 3: twelve years, and then it resigned a few years ago

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Speaker 3: so that I could do more writing and working from home.

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Speaker 2: Love it, love it, love it. And what great ages

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Speaker 2: your boys are at. That is all fun and energy

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Speaker 2: and lots of busyness at your house.

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Speaker 1: I am sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, Christy, as we are.

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Speaker 2: Beginning to talk about your new book in the Everyday

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Speaker 2: Prayers series, you know, you and I were talking before this,

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Speaker 2: and you said, people either have one or two reactions

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Speaker 2: about the book. Right They're either like, uh, oh, good gentleness,

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Speaker 2: I want to know more about that, or they're like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: that's nicely, I don't know about gentleness, right, So I

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Speaker 2: think that those responses can both kind of come from

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Speaker 2: this place of maybe misunderstanding gentleness. So let's start our

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Speaker 2: conversation today by just talking about what is biblical gentleness

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Speaker 2: and how do we sometimes misunderstand it?

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure, Well, I'm going to start with how

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Speaker 3: we misunderstand it because I think that when we think

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Speaker 3: of gentleness, what do you think of? You think of tenderness,

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Speaker 3: You think maybe of permissiveness, of letting people walk over you.

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Speaker 3: Weakness when we think of gentleness, which I think is

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Speaker 3: why we have a lot of people that when they

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be a doormat.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing is that you cannot be gentle

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Speaker 3: For me, I had three c sections, so the doctor

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Speaker 3: And they don't say to the baby, Okay, now you

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Speaker 1: They say to the mom you.

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Speaker 1: You tell your husband, you need to be gentle with

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Speaker 3: Gentle, gentle, But this is a brand new baby.

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Speaker 3: So gentleness comes from a place of having strength. It's

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Speaker 3: Jesus was gentle because all the fruit of the spirit

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Speaker 3: But that's a personality trait that's not Maybe we sometimes

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Speaker 3: because biblical gentleness is something that Jesus showed.

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Speaker 1: He was not a pushover, he was not quite.

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Speaker 3: And demure, he was strong, and so that's what gentleness

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so good. I think too.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think sometimes we can think that gentleness

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Speaker 2: or leading is the opposite of gentleness. So I love

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Speaker 2: that you say, like Jesus was strong, Like he was

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Speaker 3: You know what, It is hugely connected to humility as well.

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Speaker 3: the Gospel is God's gentleness. So God has it says

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Speaker 3: I consider him the ultimate gentle answer that turns away wrath.

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Speaker 3: So there's that verst and Proverbs that says, a gentle

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Speaker 3: He is the gentle answer, the ultimate. I will hold

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Speaker 3: it starts. We can't leave in gentleness or even grow

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Speaker 3: in the fruit of gentleness if we don't know God's

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Speaker 3: gentleness toward us and who what our identity is in Christ.

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Speaker 3: We deserved that wrath, and yet he took us, took

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Speaker 3: book or sorry. While I was writing the book, I

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Speaker 3: was reading a book by Watchman Me and he was

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Speaker 3: he said, Christianity begins not with a big do, but

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Speaker 3: what God has already done. So when we already know

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Speaker 1: And that's really beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I like that the big done this episode is going

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Speaker 2: Good Friday and Jesus on the Cross, I think of

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Speaker 1: Oh, I you know, I was reading a Psalm about

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Speaker 3: Do you know that when Jesus says, my God, my God,

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Speaker 3: why have you forsaken me? That's almost like him like

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Speaker 1: And the reason I know this, I don't just know this.

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Speaker 2: working on writing for million praying moms. We believe in

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Speaker 2: Cries out on the cross, my God, my God, live,

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Speaker 1: So I just looked that up this week too. Christy,

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Speaker 1: that's so interesting. That's Great, And.

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Speaker 3: The end of that Psalm says, all the ends of

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Speaker 3: the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, and

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Speaker 3: all the families of the nations will bow down before him.

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Speaker 3: that is a picture of God's amazing strength. He is

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Speaker 3: Cool. I'm so excited that I get to do some

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Speaker 3: It's a family devotional called Fruitful one hundred Family Experiences

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Speaker 2: And a great way to abide is, you know, bringing

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Speaker 1: And I'm really excited to delve into those as well.

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Speaker 2: everything you need to know about every day pers for generalness.

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Speaker 2: You can buy the book, you can download a reading

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Speaker 2: Guide that Christy has created that is wonderful, and then

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Speaker 3: Well, my website is because I normally write content for

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Speaker 3: So if you want some specific stuff for gentleness, it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good. Well, Christy, thank you so much

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Speaker 3: God, we thank you so much that you you are

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Speaker 1: Till next time, friends, the Lord bless you and keep you.

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Speaker 1: Make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you.

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Speaker 1: May the Lord look with favor on you and give

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