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Speaker 3: I love in the book how you talked about this

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Speaker 4: I'm a little bit older than you, babe.

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Speaker 3: And so It's really hard to be in tune to

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Speaker 3: your body and therefore like be able to act intentionally

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Speaker 3: to help yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, 1000%. Thank you for sharing all that too.

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Speaker 1: I was curious about your story a little bit and

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you just talked about that because that

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Speaker 1: was going to be one of my questions.

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Speaker 2: I was going to be asking about any hormone changes

450
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Speaker 2: that you saw while you were drinking.

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Speaker 1: And that's crazy because leading into perimenopause, you want to

452
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Speaker 1: at least have some sort of hormonal structure to help

453
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Speaker 1: ease your transition. And when those levels are so low,

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Speaker 1: it just makes perimenopause and menopause like so much harder.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, 100%, 100%.

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for that ability, right, to be able

457
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Speaker 3: to actually get in tune to what our body is

458
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Speaker 3: trying to tell us, which is what your book is

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Speaker 3: all about, right, is How are you feeling and why?

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Speaker 3: And what is the reason behind that? I would just

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Speaker 3: love for you to talk a little bit, as you

462
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Speaker 3: do so beautifully in the book, just why the whole,

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Speaker 3: I guess, general concept of Is it hormones in general

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Speaker 3: or periods or why?

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Speaker 4: Why is it?

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Speaker 3: Why do we grow up thinking that this was like

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Speaker 3: a shameful topic that we're not supposed.

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Speaker 2: To talk about?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a few factors. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a cultural issue. I think there's a lot of misogyny.

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Speaker 1: The cultural issue also ties back to like biblical times

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Speaker 1: where Leviticus and Leviticus 15, where it says that like

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Speaker 1: women are dirty on their menstrual cycles.

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Speaker 2: They shouldn't be touched.

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Speaker 1: They have to be ritually like purified and things like that.

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Speaker 1: So there's the cultural, there's the misogynistic, and then there's

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Speaker 1: also just like our own personal struggles with our body

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Speaker 1: and our relationship with other women in our lives. I

479
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Speaker 1: think for me personally, no one in my family grew

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Speaker 1: up talking about it because one, they probably felt embarrassed

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Speaker 1: or shamed about it, but they also didn't have the

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Speaker 1: resources to help them understand what was going on. Like

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Speaker 1: I have conversations now with my mom and she's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I just like, I didn't talk

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Speaker 1: to anyone about it either. Like I just kind of

486
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Speaker 1: sucked it up and it was what it was. But

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Speaker 1: there really is this cultural piece that tries to say

488
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Speaker 1: that women are, you know, less than men.

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Speaker 2: They're dirty. Period blood is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: But we see in scripture that Jesus was born of

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Speaker 1: a bloody woman. He came out screaming full of blood

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Speaker 1: from a woman. And it's the shedding of blood that

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Speaker 1: brings forth new life. Like Jesus, his blood washed us clean.

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Speaker 1: And where Leviticus says that women had to go to

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Speaker 1: the outside of the camp, Jesus died outside of the

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Speaker 1: city gates and shed his blood. And so he meets

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Speaker 1: us outside of wherever we're proverbially supposed to be. And

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Speaker 1: he meets us in those places. And what I love

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Speaker 1: so much in Leviticus is in that verse is that

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Speaker 1: he set a place where women could go and rest.

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Speaker 1: So where society said, oh, you have to go out

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Speaker 1: there and be isolated and not touch anything and wait

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Speaker 1: your allotted time and then offer a sacrifice to come back.

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Speaker 1: Jesus sat in that camp with those women and he

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Speaker 1: ministered to them and he gave them community and he

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Speaker 1: gave them other women who they can relate.

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Speaker 2: To and talk to and share stories with and not

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Speaker 2: feel alone.

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Speaker 1: So we can look at verses like that as like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's not really like a part of the scriptures that

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Speaker 1: I want to read or agree with. We can look

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Speaker 1: at it from a different angle of like, hey, God

513
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Speaker 1: has been in this the whole entire time.

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Speaker 2: He's there. And then he died for us and his

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Speaker 2: blood washed us clean.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's like a new way we have

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Speaker 1: to view blood in general, because it's incredible that God

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Speaker 1: has given us as women the ability to bear life.

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Speaker 1: And it is an emotional experience. Like even if you're

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Speaker 1: not pregnant, an egg is dying in your womb. Like

521
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Speaker 1: that is an emotional experience. No wonder why you feel

522
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Speaker 1: more moody and sad and all over the place and

523
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Speaker 1: crying spells and crampy. And so I think that the

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Speaker 1: more that we understand how our bodies work, the more

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Speaker 1: we can appreciate God's craftsmanship in the way that he

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Speaker 1: designed us.

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Speaker 4: I love the way that you just explained that.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to meet you. Let's jump back into

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Speaker 4: the episode. Knowing how we know.

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Speaker 3: How previous generations really were tight-lipped about this, didn't want

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Speaker 3: to talk about it, maybe viewed it more negatively, There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of gals listening right now who have daughters

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Speaker 3: your age or have daughters that are teenagers.

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Speaker 4: My daughter's 16.

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Speaker 3: Gals in the community who have teenage granddaughters or maybe

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Speaker 3: granddaughters about to get their periods. And so for the

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Speaker 3: first time, they're maybe hearing this message and thinking, I

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Speaker 3: want to be able to talk to my daughter or

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Speaker 3: my granddaughter in a way that supports her. What would

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Speaker 3: you say like to encourage that mom or grandma? What

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Speaker 3: did you need to hear from your mom or grandma?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are great questions. Great questions.

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Speaker 1: I would I'll start with what I would want to hear.

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Speaker 1: So one, I would want to hear that I'm not

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Speaker 1: alone and I'm not crazy. I would have mood swings

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Speaker 1: out of control. I would feel rage that came out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere and I couldn't put language to it because

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Speaker 1: I didn't know where it came from. I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: normally if I'm angry on a regular day, it's because

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Speaker 1: something provoked me to anger. But with hormones, it's like

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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can pinpoint it on. You just are

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Speaker 1: that thing. And so I would say that I needed

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Speaker 1: to hear that I wasn't crazy, that there was actually

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Speaker 1: something physiologically going on in my body that made me

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Speaker 1: feel these emotions and these feelings. but I don't have

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Speaker 1: to wear those feelings as my identity. Like that doesn't,

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Speaker 1: now my anger isn't my personality trait for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the day. I can partner with joy. I can say, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little impatient. I'm feeling angry, but I'm

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Speaker 1: going to partner with something else. Like I still might

582
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Speaker 1: feel blah and out of it, but there's still joy

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Speaker 1: on the table.

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Speaker 2: So I think that that's something I really needed to hear.

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to mothers or aunts or grandmas

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Speaker 1: or female figures, spiritual mentors in young girls' lives, I

587
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Speaker 1: think the more that you can relate to them with

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Speaker 1: your story, the better.

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Speaker 2: They just want to hear that someone else has walked

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Speaker 2: in their shoes.

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Speaker 1: And so even if you don't have all the period

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Speaker 1: education and all the explanations for why they're feeling the

593
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Speaker 1: way they're feeling and the way that estrogen and progesterone, testosterone,

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Speaker 1: all these hormones work, Just saying like, hey, I also

595
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Speaker 1: really struggled with this and I couldn't put language to

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Speaker 1: it for a while, but I just want you to

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Speaker 1: know that I'm a resource here. If you're feeling just

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Speaker 1: emotional and like you don't want to go out for dinner,

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Speaker 1: like let's stay home together and like watch a movie

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Speaker 1: or let's do something fun. Let's do something that you enjoy.

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Speaker 1: I think just offering a lifeboat is more effective sometimes

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Speaker 1: than even just like spitting information at people.

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Speaker 2: But of course, my book also covers all the period education.

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Speaker 1: We go over the four phases of the cycle, exactly

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Speaker 1: what's happening in your body in a simple way where

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Speaker 1: you can explain things. But I often find that the

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Speaker 1: more that you could just share your story and relate

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Speaker 1: to someone, that hits the heart deeper than anything else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, 100%.

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Speaker 3: As you were just talking, I was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: this is going to be such an incredible resource and

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Speaker 3: like gift. Like if you're nervous, like as a, you know,

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Speaker 3: a mom or grandmother to have this conversation, like your

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Speaker 3: book is, it lays everything out in a way that's

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Speaker 3: also really understandable and digestible for a younger reader as well.

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Speaker 3: You're going to help a lot of different age groups

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Speaker 3: is what I'm trying to say with the book too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. That was the goal. Like people were asking,

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Speaker 2: what's the age range for your book?

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Speaker 1: I was like, if you've menstruated before or you're still

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Speaker 1: menstruating or... you're transitioning out of menstruating, you'll relate to

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Speaker 1: the book. It's just such a wide net of it's

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Speaker 1: for the girl who's just getting her period, but it's

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Speaker 1: also for the women helping shepherd those girls and the

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Speaker 1: women struggling with perimenopause, menopause as well. It's all over

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Speaker 1: the map. And there's something that every single woman can

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Speaker 1: take out of this book. and use it in their

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Speaker 1: daily life.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about your beautiful chapter about your

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Speaker 3: body is a temple, which I love that you wrote

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Speaker 3: a chapter on this because I feel like you've reclaimed it.

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Speaker 3: This was something that I feel like it sounds like

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Speaker 3: for both of us, like growing up was used as

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Speaker 3: like a sword, right? Of like, don't do that, don't

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Speaker 3: wear that, all the things. You write in the book,

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Speaker 3: it is a misconception to separate physical health from spiritual health.

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Speaker 4: I would love for you to expand on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, God created us mind, body, soul, spirit.

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Speaker 1: He created all of it. And we love to separate it.

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Speaker 1: I think people weaponize this, your body's a temple to

641
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Speaker 1: have crazy self-discipline that's borderline OCD, obsessive with what you're eating,

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Speaker 1: how much you're exercising.

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Speaker 2: You're losing the joy of life.

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Speaker 1: You're losing the spontaneity and the beauty of just being

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Speaker 1: a human. And so with this chapter specifically, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to just highlight the fact that we can't separate the

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Speaker 1: physical from the spiritual. Because spiritual, our lives spiritually is

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Speaker 1: also a muscle you.

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Speaker 2: Have to work. It's a relationship with Jesus, but it's

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Speaker 2: also endurance. And it's also a race that we have

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Speaker 2: to run.

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Speaker 1: And if we're only focusing on our physical health, then

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Speaker 1: our spiritual and our emotional health are going to fall

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Speaker 1: way behind.

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Speaker 2: And that's not what God intended.

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Speaker 1: And Jesus had a physical body, but he was also

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Speaker 1: incredibly spiritual, just like all of us. And I think

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Speaker 1: specifically in this chapter, breaking down what it actually means

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Speaker 1: to steward our bodies well, in a way that isn't obsessive,

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Speaker 1: but in a way that helps you listen to your

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Speaker 1: body's cues is so beneficial for overall health. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many of us women are stuck in survival mode?

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Speaker 1: How many of us women have elevated cortisol levels through

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Speaker 1: the roof that we can't seem to bring down? The

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Speaker 1: second that we stop and listen to our symptoms, because

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Speaker 1: symptoms are literally your body screaming for help.

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Speaker 2: It's telling you what's wrong.

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Speaker 1: The second we listen to it, slow down and say, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: how do I steward this? Like, what do I need

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Speaker 1: to do with this? Do I need to get a

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Speaker 1: blood test? Do I need to work out more? Do

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Speaker 1: I need to maybe change my diet and take things slow?

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Speaker 1: That's where true healing comes. And I say in the

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Speaker 1: book a lot, like, do your sustainable best, because I

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Speaker 1: have gone from crazy extremes where I get this idea

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Speaker 1: in my head that I want to start. This isn't

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Speaker 1: actually me, but like someone saying, I want to start

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Speaker 1: training for a marathon. They buy the shoes, they buy

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Speaker 1: all the gear, and then the next day after not

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Speaker 1: running at all, they try to run 13 miles. You're

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Speaker 1: not going to be able to do that. Your body's

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Speaker 1: going to give out. And so many of us want

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Speaker 1: to run at that pace. But Jesus says, like, come

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Speaker 1: to me, all who are weary, and I will give

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Speaker 1: you rest. Like, take my yoke upon you and learn

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Speaker 1: from me. So when we are yoked to him and

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Speaker 1: we learn from him and walk at the pace that

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Speaker 1: he's walking in the way that he did it, then

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Speaker 1: we find true healing and rest. And then our physical

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Speaker 1: and our spiritual will start thriving because we're working now

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Speaker 1: and walking in a Jesus pace versus our own Kim pace,

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Speaker 1: our Christy pace, our own human pace that wants us

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Speaker 1: to go so fast. So yeah, the more we yoke

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Speaker 1: ourselves to him, the slower we walk, the more we

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Speaker 1: learn and the more we heal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so, so good, babe.

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Speaker 3: And I love how you write about how caring for

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Speaker 3: your body is an act of worship.

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Speaker 4: I think that is.

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Speaker 3: a really helpful like mindset reframe for women who have

701
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Speaker 3: maybe struggled with disordered eating or like always wanted to

702
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Speaker 3: be thinner than, you know, happen, which is my story.

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Speaker 3: And I just have really felt recently it's, and I,

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Speaker 3: it's so funny, right? How God like reminds you of

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Speaker 3: things and then you forget. And then he reminds you again,

706
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Speaker 3: because I wrote about this in the book, which was

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Speaker 3: out in 2024 or whatever. And, about like reframing my

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Speaker 3: view of exercise as something that gives me energy. And

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Speaker 3: I had recently forgotten about that, went through a stretch

710
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Speaker 3: of not exercising, exercising again, lifting weights. And I'm like,

711
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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I'm so much more alert and ready

712
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Speaker 3: to like do what God has put in front of

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Speaker 3: me at four o'clock in the afternoon if I take

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Speaker 3: care of my body. Whereas if I get up and

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Speaker 3: I go straight to emails and I don't move my body,

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Speaker 3: if I have a 4 p.m.

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Speaker 4: Coaching call, forget about it. I'm brain dead, you know?

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Speaker 3: So like, I can't do what God has asked me

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Speaker 3: to do well unless I am caring for my body.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the going back to caring for your body is

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Speaker 1: an act of worship. I mean, literally, we are temples

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Speaker 1: of the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 2: Like God chose us as his dwelling place. And if

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Speaker 2: we think about how.

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Speaker 1: Much we need to take care of our bodies and

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Speaker 1: honor the Lord, then we will start taking care of

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Speaker 1: our bodies and honoring the Lord. Because if we are

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Speaker 1: vessels of the Holy Spirit, That deserves reverence and care

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Speaker 1: and worship.

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Speaker 2: And we're not worshiping our bodies.

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Speaker 1: We're creating the best possible vessel for the presence of

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Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit to thrive and dwell in. And I

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Speaker 1: love scripture when it says, like, don't be drunk on wine,

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Speaker 1: always be sober and ready to give an account for

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Speaker 1: your faith. That ties into this so well, because like

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Speaker 1: Jesus is saying, like, don't wreck your body because I.

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Speaker 2: Chose to live there. And I love living inside of you.

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Speaker 1: And I want you to remain sober at all times

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Speaker 1: so that I can work through you in any and

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Speaker 1: every situation. So when we care for our bodies, we're

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Speaker 1: allowing the Holy Spirit to move more like fluidly through

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Speaker 1: us so that we can preach the gospel and reach

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Speaker 1: the people God wants us to reach.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that you just said that. That's so,

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Speaker 4: so good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you touched on it a little bit, but

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Speaker 3: I would just love to kind of end on talking

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Speaker 3: about the slow is still holy, because I think that

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Speaker 3: is something that we all go through fits and starts

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Speaker 3: of forgetting. You know, I have a girlfriend over here

752
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Speaker 3: in the UK who launched a whole ministry. It's called

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Speaker 3: Still Waters, and she just does a yearly thing and

754
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Speaker 3: we go and We all put our phones down and

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Speaker 3: like we walk on the beach and it's just so lovely.

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Speaker 3: And it's not it's lovely because we're on the beach,

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Speaker 3: but it's more lovely because we're just going slow and

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Speaker 3: we've disconnected and we've, you know, all of that. I

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Speaker 3: went on that that trip last October and I was

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Speaker 3: really good for a minute, you know, of like I

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Speaker 3: even oh, my gosh, you're going to laugh. I literally

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Speaker 3: got a separate phone. My kids make fun of me.

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Speaker 3: I got a separate phone. I'm like, this is going

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Speaker 3: to be the Instagram and social media phone. I'm only

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Speaker 3: going to pick up and do at my desk because

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Speaker 3: I am no longer going to scroll anywhere else in

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Speaker 3: the house.

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Speaker 4: It lasted for a week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, relatable.

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Speaker 3: So talk to us, I guess, about why slowing down

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Speaker 3: is still holy. And maybe for the woman who needs

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Speaker 3: to slow down today, like what what should she do?

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Speaker 1: Well, everything I say in the book and everything I say,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying now just models Jesus's life and the pace

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Speaker 1: that he walked. He walked slowly through crowds. He scanned,

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Speaker 1: he scanned the room. He was present. He was so

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Speaker 1: ever present. And he retreated to the mountain a lot.

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Speaker 1: And there's a book I'm reading called Anonymous by Alicia

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Speaker 1: Britt Chloe, who I recently just met on a retreat.

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Speaker 1: She's absolutely incredible. And the first few chapters of her

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Speaker 1: book is comparing Jesus's life to an iceberg where you

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Speaker 1: only see 10% of an iceberg and 90% of it

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Speaker 1: is underneath the water. And same thing with Jesus's ministry.

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Speaker 1: We only saw 10% of his life, but 90% of

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Speaker 1: his life was in the hidden and in the unknown and.

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Speaker 2: In the tucked away, in the secret place.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's something really beautiful about modeling our

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Speaker 1: lives after that.

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Speaker 2: I think as people like us who are more in

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Speaker 2: the public.

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Speaker 1: Eye, have social media presences and things like that we

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Speaker 1: want to run really fast or even for the woman

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Speaker 1: who has a crazy job schedule is trying to feed

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Speaker 1: kids and take care of the home and maybe some

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Speaker 1: of them are doing them as a single mother there's

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Speaker 1: so many things that we have and so many feelings

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Speaker 1: of just feeling you have to catch up and you

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Speaker 1: have to stay there like you have to stay relevant

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Speaker 1: you have to stay on top of it because if

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Speaker 1: you fall behind you'll crumble and I want to speak

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Speaker 1: against that because Jesus was only seeing 10% of his life.

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Speaker 2: And maybe even less than that if we really do

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Speaker 2: the math.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's something precious and sacred about taking

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Speaker 1: time to slow down and retreat. Because when you do

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Speaker 1: that and you let Jesus minister to your soul, you

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Speaker 1: won't crash out in a few years when you keep

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Speaker 1: trying to do it in your own strength and hit

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Speaker 1: a wall. Like we need to bake in these rhythms

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Speaker 1: of rest as women so that we can have endurance

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Speaker 1: and longevity. And I think that's something that also plays

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Speaker 1: into our health because our sleep is affected.

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Speaker 2: Our immune system is affected. Obviously, our hormones are affected.

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Speaker 1: I mean, literally just not sleeping and not getting enough

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Speaker 1: rest changes your hormonal profile so much. It also triggers

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Speaker 1: your hormones for hunger and fullness. So basically, the way

817
00:38:01,250 --> 00:38:05,969
Speaker 1: that sleep is affected is through melatonin and serotonin. So

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Speaker 1: your eyes from the natural light through the suprachiasmatic nucleus

819
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Speaker 1: in your eyes, such a big word, takes in sunlight

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Speaker 1: and converts it to serotonin throughout the day. And then

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Speaker 1: at night, around 9 p.m., that serotonin gets converted to melatonin,

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Speaker 1: which we know is a sleepy hormone. So if we're

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Speaker 1: not getting enough time in the sun, if we're not

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Speaker 1: well rested, if we're not taking our time to slow

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Speaker 1: down and be present, we're not going to sleep as

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Speaker 1: well throughout the night because our hormones are actually being

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Speaker 1: messed with. And so that's my encouragement to the woman

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Speaker 1: listening to this.

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Speaker 2: That's like, I really just can't. You don't understand my schedule.

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Speaker 1: I do. And that doesn't mean you have to take

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Speaker 1: a week off and go into the mountains. It just

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Speaker 1: means that maybe there's five minutes throughout your day that

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Speaker 1: you can just deep breathe. I love doing breath prayers

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Speaker 1: where you just meditate on scripture. You inhale and say,

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Speaker 1: be still. And you exhale and know that I'm God.

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Speaker 1: It's just two minutes, not even five, two minutes. Just breathe, inhale,

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Speaker 1: exhale longer than you inhale.

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Speaker 2: Just repeat scripture in your mind and then continue on

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Speaker 2: with your day.

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Speaker 1: Start there and then you can build in more rhythms

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Speaker 1: of rest where you can find it throughout your schedule.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so encouraging. Thank you, babe.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell the gals where they can find you,

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Speaker 3: where they can find the book?

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Speaker 4: I will link everything in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so my book is available anywhere you buy books, Amazon,

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Speaker 1: Barnes & Noble, Target, etc. It's called Holy and Hormonal.

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Speaker 1: And you can also find me on Instagram at Holy

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Speaker 1: and Hormonal. My personal is Kim Gargano, but hit me

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00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:44,770
Speaker 1: up on Holy and Hormonal. I definitely would chat on there.

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Speaker 1: I just want to thank you so much and honor

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Speaker 1: you for your ministry and your life and this podcast.

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00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: And I loved reading your book. I loved learning about

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Speaker 2: your story.

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Speaker 1: I think it being a devotional style was really, really

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Speaker 1: unique and really cool.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen that in a concept for.

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Speaker 1: A book because as I was opening it, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this isn't a typical chapter book.

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Speaker 2: Like this is a journey that you're bringing with people.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's so appreciated for someone who is

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Speaker 1: struggling with alcohol because you kind of want someone to

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Speaker 1: hold your hand every single day. You don't just want

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Speaker 1: to be told like, hey, you should be sober. Like

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Speaker 1: you want an accountability partner. And I think your book

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Speaker 1: really was a huge accountability partner for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: And so I just.

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Speaker 1: Want to like honor you and sing your praises and

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Speaker 1: give you your flowers on that because all your hard

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Speaker 1: work does not go unnoticed. And I just appreciate you

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Speaker 1: so much. And I'm so grateful to be on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I really am.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Kim.

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Speaker 3: You're so sweet. I will take the flowers. Oh, thank you, friend. Well,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: We'll link everything in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: Please go get this book. Get it for yourself. Get

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Speaker 3: it for your granddaughter. Get it for your daughter. Get

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Speaker 3: it for the women in your life.

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Speaker 4: It's such a great resource. We appreciate you. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much.

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Speaker 3: All right, ladies, we will see you next week. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for spending this time with me on Love Live Sober.

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Speaker 3: If today's conversation stirred something in your heart, don't rush

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Speaker 3: past it.

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Speaker 4: Take it to prayer.

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Speaker 3: If you're feeling ready for deeper connection and support, I'd

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Speaker 3: love to invite you into the Love Life Sober community,

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Speaker 3: a grace-filled, shame-free space where real connection grows and lasting

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Speaker 3: change takes root. You can find the link to join

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Speaker 3: us in the show notes. Love Life Sober is part

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Speaker 3: of the Life Audio Podcast Network, where faith-centered podcasts help

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Speaker 3: you grow deeper in your walk with Christ. You can

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Speaker 3: find more faith-centered podcasts at lifeaudio.com. Until next time, be

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Speaker 3: gentle with yourself, stay curious, and trust God's promises. He

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Speaker 3: has freedom waiting for you.