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Speaker 2: Salem News Channel. The Trump administration releases a memorandum of

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Speaker 2: understanding with Iran. It has fourteen points. Former VP Mike

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Speaker 2: Pence says the deal smacks of appeasement. The deal extends

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Speaker 2: the ceasefire for sixty days to conclude a final deal.

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Speaker 2: The deal appears to restrain Israel and responding to Hesbealah

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Speaker 2: in Lebanon, the deal o mids Iran's missile program and

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Speaker 2: its support for terror proxies. It commits a minimum of

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Speaker 2: three hundred billion dollars for reconstruction and economic development. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk to Iranian Canadian Nikki Bellou about what he

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Speaker 2: thinks about this deal. Major League Baseball criticizes Christian players

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Speaker 2: my friend Tom Dreesen, who for decades with Frank Sinatra's

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Speaker 2: Senator Lindsey Graham, a staunch Trump ally and a proponent

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Speaker 2: of the Iranian War, said, the way Iran describes the

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Speaker 2: deal is awful. The way we describe it makes sense

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Speaker 2: to me. Let's look at it and see what it

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Speaker 2: actually is. And of course, as I said, this is

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Speaker 2: what he said.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Today, the administration released the fourteen point so called Memorandum

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Speaker 1: Let's go over it zero point one.

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Speaker 2: The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of

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Speaker 2: Iran and their allies and the current war, by signing

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Speaker 2: this MoU declare the immediate and permanent termination of all

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Speaker 2: military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake from

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Speaker 2: now on not to initiate any war or any military

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Speaker 2: and sovereignty of Lebanon. A lot of words here. That

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Speaker 2: first point continues. The final deal will confirm the permanent

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Speaker 2: termination of the war on all fronts, and this is important,

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Speaker 2: including in Lebanon and other provisions.

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Speaker 1: Of this paragraph. He paused.

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Speaker 2: There By including Lebanon, it implies any way that Israel

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Speaker 2: will be forbidden from retaliating against Lebanon, even though Hesbalon

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Speaker 2: continues to launch missiles in northern Israel. Point number two,

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Speaker 2: the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of

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Speaker 2: Iran will undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial

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Speaker 2: That seems to take off the table any use of

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Speaker 2: undercover infiltration to somehow destabilize the government. By the way,

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Iranian Canadian Niki Balu, whom

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Speaker 2: we talked to a number of times. He was born

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Speaker 2: in Tehran, believed strongly in the war and believes that

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Speaker 2: Trump should not end military operations because he believes that

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Speaker 2: at some point the Iranian regime is going to get

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Speaker 2: will take charge. We'll talk to him next hour about

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Speaker 2: this next point. Instead of saying the United States of

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Speaker 2: say we we commit to negotiating and achieving the final

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Speaker 2: deal in maximum sixty days extendable with mutual consent. Let

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Speaker 2: me pause here. Do you really think, given the way

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Speaker 2: had to cease fire, that they'll abide by this? I don't.

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Speaker 2: And if they don't, then what next point? Immediately upon

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Speaker 2: signing of this MoU, the US will begin the removal

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Speaker 2: and will fully end the naval blockade within thirty days.

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Speaker 2: During this period, the traffic of vessels will be in

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Speaker 2: Undertakes to remove its forces from the proximity of Iran

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Speaker 2: within thirty days after the final deal. Again, the final

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Speaker 2: deal will be concluded in a maximum of sixty days extendable,

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Speaker 2: though with mutual consent. A lot of wiggle room there,

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Speaker 2: Next point, upon signing of this MoU, the Islamic Republic

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Speaker 2: the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for

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Speaker 2: of Oman and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vehicles

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Speaker 1: A lot of.

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Speaker 2: Language there sounds to me like they can begin to

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Speaker 2: charge fees at some point. Next point, the US undertakes

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Speaker 2: with regional partners to develop a definitive mutually agreed plan

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Speaker 2: with at least three hundred billion dollars for the reconstruction

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Speaker 2: and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The

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Speaker 2: mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized

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Speaker 2: as part of the final deal within sixty days. All

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Speaker 2: President Trump gave a press conference today excerpts of which

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Speaker 2: will play for you, said as the tax players not

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Speaker 2: get money at all. Next point, the US undertakes to

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Speaker 2: terminate all types of sanctions against Iran, including the United

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Speaker 2: Nations Security Council resolutions next point IAEA, Board of Governor's resolutions,

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Speaker 1: Iran in the.

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Speaker 2: US acknowledge the critical importance of sanctions termination as mentioned above,

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Speaker 2: and express their intention to immediately address these issues in

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Speaker 2: the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.

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Speaker 2: I guess it sort of means that sanctions will be

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Speaker 2: released according to the behavior of Iran.

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Speaker 2: It's awfully vague. Next point. Iran affirmed that it will

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Speaker 2: not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The US and Iran

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Speaker 2: have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material

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Speaker 2: pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon

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Speaker 2: in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with

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Speaker 2: the minimum methodology to be down blending on site under

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Speaker 2: the supervision of the IAEA.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be part of this operation to make

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Speaker 2: sure they're not cheating. This point continues. The two parties

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Speaker 2: a satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal.

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Speaker 2: The US and Iran acknowledge the critical importance of the

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Speaker 2: immediately address these issues in negotiations in order to achieve

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Speaker 2: that even means. They won't get a nuclear weapon, but

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Speaker 2: satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal. Next point.

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Speaker 2: Pending the final deal, the US and Iran agree to

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Speaker 2: impose any new sanctions. It will not deploy additional forces

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Speaker 2: the Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export

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Speaker 2: Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives, and all associated

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Speaker 2: services including banking, transactions, insurances, tremputation, et cetera. There are one, two, three,

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Speaker 2: Someone once said about Iran, They've never won a war,

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Speaker 2: but they've never lost a negotiation. There's so much about

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Speaker 2: MoU Memorandum of Understanding, the US undertakes to make fully

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Speaker 2: Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The US

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Speaker 2: undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations. Accordingly, sounds

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Speaker 2: deal continues. The US and Iran agree that an exclusive

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Speaker 2: this MoU and the future compliance of the final deal.

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Speaker 1: Two more points.

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Speaker 2: After signing this MoU, and subject to the beginning of

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Speaker 2: the US and Iran will start negotiations regarding the final

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Speaker 1: And the last point.

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Speaker 2: The final deal will be endorsed by binding UNSC resolution.

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Speaker 1: Nothing in there.

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Speaker 5: Don't think this.

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Speaker 4: It's a memorandum of understanding. And if I don't like it,

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Speaker 4: But nobody could have made this deal. I mean the

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Speaker 4: very much.

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Speaker 2: He was asked, will you hold anybody in your administration

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Speaker 9: Administration accountable for the strike on a school that killed

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Speaker 4: that's under investigation. It's such a strange question to be

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Speaker 4: But nobody did that on purpose. I guess you'd have

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Speaker 2: General Jack Keane, the military expert Fox News before the

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Speaker 2: Iranian who now lives in Canada, who felt very strongly

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Speaker 2: that the Iranian people at some point would rise up

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Speaker 2: to be happy about this deal. Now, are you familiar

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Speaker 2: with the Powell doctrine? Former Secretary of State Colin Powell.

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Speaker 2: He said, before we commit to using force, ask yourself

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Speaker 2: eight key questions. Let's think about that when it comes

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Speaker 2: to this war against Iran. Number one, is a vital

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Speaker 2: national security interest threatened?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Number two?

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Speaker 2: Do we have a clear and attainable objective? I think yes.

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Speaker 2: Have the risks and the costs been fully and frankly analyzed?

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Speaker 1: I think yes?

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Speaker 2: Have all other non violent policy means been fully exhausted?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?

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Speaker 2: Well that remains to be seen because we didn't entangle.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. So given all of that, it was quite

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Speaker 2: Bottom line, however, it is for all the people, and

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Speaker 2: I understand why very angry at what the President has done.

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Speaker 2: He had him on the ropes, he let him up,

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Speaker 1: When you consider the intense.

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Speaker 11: It does bear repeating that none of Donald Trump's objectives

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Speaker 11: Iran still has seventy percent of their missiles after a

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Speaker 2: Now, of course that's outrageous. They're stronger and better position

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Speaker 2: Iranians know this, and they watched TV, they read the

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Speaker 1: Read the polls. This is what the president was up against.

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Speaker 1: And by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, Barack Obama said that he does not believe that

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Speaker 2: fascinating because, in a moment of candor, the former president said,

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Speaker 2: dot com. Now check this out. Former President Brock Obama,

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Speaker 2: I don't think the deal is going to be any

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Speaker 2: better than our own deal. You can't just bomb your

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Speaker 2: way to an outcome Number forty seven.

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Speaker 10: You spent a lot of time wrestling with the threat

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Speaker 10: of a new nuclear or on.

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Speaker 3: How do you think things are being handled right now?

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Speaker 12: There?

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Speaker 13: It is doubtful that any agreement that arises is going

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Speaker 13: to be significantly different or a significant improvement from the

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Speaker 13: deal that we had in the first place, and had

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Speaker 13: worked for for a long stretch of time before we

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Speaker 13: the United States pulled out of it.

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Speaker 14: So I'm I'm hopeful that.

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Speaker 13: Bombing stops and ordinary people are no longer suffering as

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Speaker 13: a consequence of the war.

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Speaker 14: And then in retrospect, it's a reminder.

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Speaker 13: That UH, on a lot of difficult foreign policy problems,

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Speaker 13: the notion that we can just bully our way or

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Speaker 13: or bomb our way to solutions may sometimes seem appealing,

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Speaker 13: But the fact of the matter is is that taking

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Speaker 13: the time to explore diplomacy and exhaust the possibilities of

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Speaker 13: coming up with deals that don't solve.

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Speaker 14: One hundred percent of the problem but solve eighty.

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Speaker 13: Ninety percent of the problem while avoiding the necessity of

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Speaker 13: going to war. You'd think we would have learned that

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Speaker 13: lesson by now, but it seems like every so often

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Speaker 13: we have to relearn that lesson again.

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Speaker 2: Didn't that make you want to bars I'm hopeful that

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Speaker 2: the bombing stops. One for the bombing, we wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: this deal we have every now and then we have

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Speaker 2: to learn you can't bomb your way. We have a

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Speaker 2: gun to their face something you never did. The deal

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Speaker 2: that Obama struck did not allow no knock inspections. We

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Speaker 2: had to give them heads up they could move whatever

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Speaker 2: they want. It was ridiculous, ridiculous. And this is the

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Speaker 2: same guy who said after he left his presidency he

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Speaker 2: wishes he had done more when the Iranians were in

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Speaker 2: the streets during his first year, like what you don't

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Speaker 2: believe in bombing? You negotiated, negotiated, negotiated, did the Iran deal?

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Speaker 2: What exactly would you have done.

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Speaker 1: Here's what.

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Speaker 2: Dana Bash said to Biden's National security advisor Jake Sullivan

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. Listen to this number forty eight.

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Speaker 7: In Iran, security officials are continuing to crack down on protesters.

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Speaker 7: Former President Barack Obama was reflecting on similar protests in

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Speaker 7: Iran during his presidency that happened in two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 7: and he said he regretted holding back some public support

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Speaker 7: for protests. Listen to what he said.

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Speaker 14: In retrospect. I think that was a mistake. Every time

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Speaker 14: we see a flash, a glimmer of hope of people

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Speaker 14: longing for freedom, I think we have to point it out.

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Speaker 14: We have to shine a spotlight on it. We have

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Speaker 14: to express some solidarity about it.

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Speaker 7: Is the Bond administration doing everything you can to help

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Speaker 7: the protesters in Iran.

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Speaker 9: We are taking a range of aggressive actions to try

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Speaker 9: to support the protesters in Iran. The first thing that

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Speaker 9: we're doing is trying to hold accountable those brutal officials

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Speaker 9: in the Iranian regime who are cracking down on protesters,

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Speaker 9: killing protesters, beating protesters. We have sanctioned them, the so

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Speaker 9: called morality police. We have sanctioned senior officials who have

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Speaker 9: participated in the brutal crackdown and repression, had the Communications

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Speaker 9: Minister who is responsible for trying to cut off the

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Speaker 9: Internet from Iranians communicating with one another, and then we've

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Speaker 9: taken steps to try to make it easier for brave Iranians,

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Speaker 9: the women and citizens of Iran standing up for their

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Speaker 9: dignity to be able to talk to one another and

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Speaker 9: to be able to talk to the world. We are

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Speaker 9: always looking for more things that we can do, and

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Speaker 9: in fact, just this past week, I had the opportunity

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Speaker 9: to meet with Iranian activists who are working from outside

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Speaker 9: the country to support those who are working inside the country,

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Speaker 9: to hear their ideas for additional steps the United States

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Speaker 9: can take. We stand unequivocally, clearly, emphatically, and with principles

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Speaker 9: and values, on the side of the Iranian protesters, the

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Speaker 9: women and citizens standing up for their freedom and their dignity.

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Speaker 9: President Biden has spoken to this multiple times, and we

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Speaker 9: will continue to do that day in day out, just

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Speaker 9: as I am doing here on your program now.

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Speaker 2: Oh so, Jake Sullivan, Buys National Security Advisor, said, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're going on programs like yours. Dan at

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Speaker 2: bash on see and speaking out, She said, are you

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Speaker 2: doing everything you can? We're always exploring ways we see

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Speaker 2: how we can help people, and we're talking to dissidence,

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Speaker 2: not one word about bombing the hell out of the

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Speaker 2: way Trump did. So here you have Obama admitting that

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Speaker 2: I wish we had done more. Fast forward to Biden's

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Speaker 2: national security advisor saying, when asked have you done everything

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Speaker 2: you can? Said, well, you know, more sanctions, and we're

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Speaker 2: talking to other people about other options that we might have.

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Speaker 2: Not one word about taking military action, which Trump did. However,

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Speaker 2: you feel about the deal that Trump implemented. Iran is

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Speaker 2: significantly worse off now than before the deal. They have

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Speaker 2: significantly less capacity to wreak havoc on the region, on Israel,

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Speaker 2: and on America than they did before the bombing started.

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Speaker 1: Is there something more you could have done?

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Speaker 2: Jake Sullivan, Biden security advisor, Well, we're always looking around

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Speaker 2: to the side. Uh, We've we've tough enough sanctioned, We've

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Speaker 2: gone on programs like yours down a bash. But Trump

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Speaker 2: is now being blasted for not achieving all of its objectives.

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Speaker 2: Is Iran worse off than before? Are they further away

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Speaker 2: from getting a nuke than before. Triple eight nine seven

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Speaker 2: one s eight g E.

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Speaker 15: I'm Larry yoldert to do with this, but a second.

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Speaker 2: Triple eight nights on the one seven two four to

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Speaker 2: three Triple eight nights on the one s A g E.

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Speaker 2: Larry Elder's Salem News Channel coming up. This is a

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Speaker 2: very strange period and world history, isn't it. We have

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Speaker 2: a determined, vicious, evil enemy called Iran vowing to get

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Speaker 2: a nuclear barpin voling to destroy Israel, America and the West.

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Speaker 2: Yet most of the world is opposing what Trump is doing.

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Speaker 2: Majority of the country opposes what Trump is doing, particularly Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Is there some sort of biblical implication about this. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to talk to doctor Stephen Meyer about this.

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Speaker 1: He is the.

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Speaker 2: Author of the book on which the Story of Everything

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Speaker 2: is based. We're alther going to talk to Iranian Canadian

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Speaker 2: Nikki Ballew, who felt very strongly that if Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: kept the military pressure on, eventually the reigning people would

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Speaker 2: rise up and take over their country. Among those who

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Speaker 2: are opposing this deal, at least it did yesterday former

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Speaker 2: Vice President Mike Pence and the military expert on Fox News,

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Speaker 2: General Jack Keane All of this in more Triple eight

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Speaker 2: ninet seventy one s G plus a good friend of

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Speaker 2: mine has died comedian Tom Dreesen, who was for a

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Speaker 2: long time the opening act for Frank Sinatra. Also we

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Speaker 2: can get it in Joy Behart explains why she is

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Speaker 2: not a Republican and based on what she says, she

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Speaker 2: ought to be a Republican. All of this and more.

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Speaker 1: Mark is in La Mark. Always nice to hear from you.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Larry, so how how did you like to have

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Speaker 6: the embarrassing Donald Trump rambling speech from G sevens.

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Speaker 1: I didn't find it embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: He mumbled.

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Speaker 6: He switched more subjects than you possibly could in a week,

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Speaker 6: he praised himself at least, or I couldn't take it anymore.

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Speaker 1: Mark, Mark, you should you should be used to You

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Speaker 1: should be used to that. After you should be used

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Speaker 1: to that. After ten years, he's not going to change

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Speaker 1: any Okay.

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Speaker 2: So again, look at it. Look at his actions, Mark,

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Speaker 2: look at his actions. What do you think about the steal?

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Speaker 2: That's the issue.

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Speaker 6: Oh well, Larry, I'm glad you asked that. It seems

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Speaker 6: like a ron is going to get more money for

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Speaker 6: being able to do their oil and from foreign governments

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Speaker 6: giving them money and maybe US really seeing some of

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Speaker 6: their money, then Obama gave them. Huh, that's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 6: Of course that won't be on your error, and that

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Speaker 6: certainly would not be on the box error.

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Speaker 5: Larry.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think the ability to make

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Speaker 2: sure they're cheating is as weak and as fragile and

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Speaker 2: it's frail as was the ability to make sure they

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Speaker 2: didn't cheat during the Obama deal? You really think? So,

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Speaker 2: they've got guns at their head. Obama didn't put guns

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Speaker 2: at their head.

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Speaker 8: Larry.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's one hundred percent true. But when you come

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Speaker 6: out and say two things he said in the last

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Speaker 6: couple of days, their uranium is not that important. It's

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Speaker 6: weak uranium one, and second that we might ask for

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Speaker 6: China help with the uranium.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to leave it there, Mark, Mark, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much for the call. The reason for this deal,

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Speaker 2: it's because of people like you, Mark. Half the country

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Speaker 2: hates this man. He was under tremendous pressure. So let's

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Speaker 2: get her teed up.

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Speaker 12: Shut off my ear.

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Speaker 3: That subdig You can't succeed with olt.

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Speaker 1: Triple eight ninet seven one s A G E.

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Speaker 2: Triple eight nine seven one seven two four to three,

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Speaker 2: we will continue our discussion about the memorandum of I'm

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Speaker 2: Understanding a fourteen point deal. We're gonna talk to Iranian

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Speaker 2: Canadian Nikki Belllou later on this hour, but first I

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Speaker 2: want to return to the film that I've told you about,

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Speaker 2: called The Story of Everything Extraordinary extraordinary documentary about intelligent

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Speaker 2: design and how the universe could not have been created

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Speaker 2: just out of chance, out of luck. I spoke earlier

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Speaker 2: with the director of the Center for Science and Culture

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Speaker 2: at the Discovery Institute in Seattle, Washington. It is his

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Speaker 2: book on which the film is largely based. Please welcome

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Speaker 2: back to the program the author of The Return of

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Speaker 2: the God Hypothesis, doctor Stephen Meyer. Doctor Meyer, you're a

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Speaker 2: rock star. You know that, don't you.

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Speaker 8: My brother said, our film is a nerd o rama,

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Speaker 8: so I don't think we're quite up there with all

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Speaker 8: the Hollywood stars. But we did have a really good

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Speaker 8: run with this in theaters, and we're very pleased to

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Speaker 8: massively exceeded expectations at the box office and with the

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Speaker 8: response from people who attended and great reviews on Rotten

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Speaker 8: Toomatoes dot com. I think we're at a ninety popcorn rating,

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Speaker 8: so we beat by a considerable margin Meryl Streep, who

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Speaker 8: was in the theaters at the same time. So we're

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Speaker 8: hanging our hat on that, even though we're a nerd

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Speaker 8: o rama.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, God is back, and I think people are

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Speaker 2: kind of sick and tired of Meryl Street. But in

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Speaker 2: six hundred theaters, I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 2: the success and what your reaction.

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Speaker 1: Is to the success.

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Speaker 2: But first, because this is obviously top of mind, give

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Speaker 2: me your thoughts on this fourteen point memorandum of understanding

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Speaker 2: between us in Iran.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's interesting that you should ask because we're a

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Speaker 8: science and technology think tank and as you and I

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Speaker 8: were talking during the break at Discovery Institute, we've been

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Speaker 8: advocating an innovative proposal for a new system of missile

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Speaker 8: defense that would allow us actually, in this case, to

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Speaker 8: prevent Iranian missiles from ever exiting Iranian airspace, whether they

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Speaker 8: were loaded with a nuclear or conventional warhead. And so

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Speaker 8: it's clear mister Trump has initiated a military conflict and

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Speaker 8: he's trying to resolve it diplomatically, and for that to work,

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Speaker 8: he will have to and I'm sure he realizes that

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Speaker 8: he will have to keep continuous leverage over the Iranians

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Speaker 8: in order for any deal that they sign coming out

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Speaker 8: of this memorandum to have staying power. And the proposal

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Speaker 8: that we're making for this innovative new system of missile

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Speaker 8: defense would give the American military and the commander in chief,

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Speaker 8: whether that be President Trump or whoever succeeds him, ultimate

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Speaker 8: leverage over the Iranians because it could prevent them again

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Speaker 8: from getting their missiles out of their airspace. It's an

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Speaker 8: airborne based missile defense system that fires new, faster intercepts

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Speaker 8: and could be hosted over international waters in the Persian

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Speaker 8: Gulf for along the margin of Iran and cover a

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Speaker 8: wide swath of Iranian territory, preventing missiles from launching. So

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Speaker 8: I'm actually we've got a white paper on that at

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Speaker 8: Discovery Institute, and we'll be having some articles coming out

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Speaker 8: about that in the press as well. So it's a

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Speaker 8: proposal that we've made to give the administration more leverage

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Speaker 8: as they go forward in this negotiation.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Meyer. Is it ready to be implemented now?

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Speaker 8: It will take about eighteen months to build this engineer's estimate.

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Speaker 8: But since the system would be hosted on drones, that

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Speaker 8: we already use for ISR intelligence and surveillance and reconnaissance,

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Speaker 8: and because it could also be hosted on fighter jets

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Speaker 8: like F thirty five's. The platforms are already there, the

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Speaker 8: technology for building the intercepts is there. It's an engineering

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Speaker 8: integration effort rather than a research and development effort, So

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Speaker 8: it could be done before President Trump leaves office, and

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Speaker 8: certainly I think before the Iranians would have an opportunity

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Speaker 8: to reconstitute a vigorous nuclear enrichment program.

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Speaker 2: Well, Dr Meyer, the deal appears to exclude support for

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Speaker 2: terror proxy's, as would the system that you talk about.

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Speaker 1: What do we do about that? Why?

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Speaker 2: What's your reaction about that being omitted apparently from the

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Speaker 2: fourteen point memorandum.

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Speaker 8: Well, I haven't read it yet. I've been doing other

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Speaker 8: things to so I'll have to. I'll have to pass

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Speaker 8: on that. But our thought with this the missile defense approach,

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Speaker 8: is that it gives you ultimate leverage. It's an enforcement

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Speaker 8: mechanism that does not require us to rely either on

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Speaker 8: verification or on trust. The famous phrase from the Reagan

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Speaker 8: yirs trust but verify. I think most people think we

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Speaker 8: shouldn't be trusting the Iranians at all, even if we

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Speaker 8: get provisions that allow for verification. It's a big country.

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Speaker 8: Many of the missiles they have are in these underground

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Speaker 8: missile cities and the Zagros Mountains and elsewhere. The nice

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Speaker 8: thing about the implementing a new level of a new

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Speaker 8: layer of missile defense is that it allows you to

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Speaker 8: enforce without depending on either verification or trust.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Meyer, let's tie this to our film if we can.

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Speaker 2: Are we add an interesting point in the evolution of

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Speaker 2: human history where we have a villain Iran vowing to

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Speaker 2: not just Israel, not just the West, but Western civilization.

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Speaker 2: Yet half the world doesn't seem to get it. Much

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Speaker 2: of America doesn't seem to get it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's a kind of ideological vacuum in

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Speaker 8: the West that has allowed things like radical Islam and

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Speaker 8: a renewed interest in essentially communism to take root. And

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Speaker 8: I think that's a byproduct of the loss of our

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Speaker 8: confidence in our Judeo Christian history and at an even

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Speaker 8: deeper level, a loss of faith in the existence of God.

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Speaker 8: So we're celebrating our two hundred and fiftieth year anniversary

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Speaker 8: this year, and fundamental to that was this core idea

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Speaker 8: that the rights that we have are derived from our creator.

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Speaker 8: They they are not granted by government, and so our

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Speaker 8: whole system is based on a belief in a creator,

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Speaker 8: a creator who made us in his own image and

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Speaker 8: who has granted us an intrinsic dignity from which our

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Speaker 8: rights flow. And if we lose that concept, then, as

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Speaker 8: Edmund Burke pointed out a long time ago, you won't

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Speaker 8: have a completely neutral public square. Other ideologies will fill

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Speaker 8: in that vacuum, and we've been seeing that happening not

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Speaker 8: only in America, but especially in Britain and Western Europe,

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Speaker 8: and so I think it's really crucial to get back

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Speaker 8: to these foundational questions realize that there's as the founders realize,

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Speaker 8: they said that there was the belief in the creator

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Speaker 8: was self evident. I would say that it's very evident

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Speaker 8: from the scientific discoveries that we've made. And when we

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Speaker 8: regain that confidence in the existence of a creator, then

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Speaker 8: I think there's a great hope that our Judeo Christian

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Speaker 8: foundations and the political institutions that have flowed from those

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Speaker 8: foundational beliefs will be strengthened, which is what I think

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Speaker 8: we really need in the West right now. A renewed

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Speaker 8: confidence in our own institutions and our own founding principles.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Myer, speaking of Judeo Christian principles, Winton Churchill spoke

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Speaker 2: negatively about Islam. He called it nihilistic. What is your

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Speaker 2: opinion about Islam as a religion.

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Speaker 8: It's a theistic faith like Judaism and Christianity, and we've

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Speaker 8: seen that it can be practiced differently. Our allies in

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Speaker 8: the Gulf are the Gulf Region of late been much

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Speaker 8: more interested in doing business, and they're not taking some

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Speaker 8: of the more extreme passages in the Quran literally as

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Speaker 8: something that needs to be followed. As far as initiating violence,

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Speaker 8: we see that the regime in Iran has taken a

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Speaker 8: very different tact and has positioned themselves at war with

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Speaker 8: the West rather than as for example, the UAE folks

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Speaker 8: or others in the Gulf States wanting to do business

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Speaker 8: with the West and form more of a partnership that

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Speaker 8: has led to things like the Abraham Accords. So it

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Speaker 8: really depends on which form of Islam you're dealing with,

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Speaker 8: but certainly with the Iranians, we're dealing with the very

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Speaker 8: virulent and dangerous form, and therefore I think that's one

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Speaker 8: of the reasons that they should not be trusted, and

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Speaker 8: we need enforcement as well as verification to move forward

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Speaker 8: in any conversations with them.

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Speaker 2: When I was in middle school, we learned that the

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Speaker 2: universe was created because of something called the Big Bang.

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Speaker 2: What does the story of everything tell us about this

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Speaker 2: Big Bang theory?

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Speaker 8: Ah, You've hit on a really central confusion that many

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Speaker 8: of us have been subjected to. When people talk about

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Speaker 8: the Big Bang theory, they get the sense that the

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Speaker 8: scientists are saying that the Big Bang caused the origin

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Speaker 8: of the universe. But the Big Bang is just an

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Speaker 8: idiomatic expression for the first effect, namely that there was

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Speaker 8: a creation event without naming what the cause was. And

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Speaker 8: what we explore in the film is, yes, there is

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Speaker 8: strong evidence that the universe had a beginning, and therefore

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Speaker 8: evidence that supports the Big Bang theory, but that theory

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Speaker 8: does not tell us what cause cause the universe to

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Speaker 8: come into existence. Instead, it points to the need for

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Speaker 8: some sort of cause which is non material, something that

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Speaker 8: lies outside the origin of matter, space, time, and energy.

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Speaker 8: And as you begin to think about the possible candidates,

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Speaker 8: the list gets very small, very quickly, because any candidate

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Speaker 8: cause would need to transcend our space and time. It

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Speaker 8: would need to be immensely powerful, it would need to

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Speaker 8: be able to act volitionally, because the universe comes into

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Speaker 8: a to existence very abruptly, at a discreet moment of time.

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Speaker 8: And I would argue it even needs to be intelligent,

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Speaker 8: because we've seen from the very beginning of the universe

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Speaker 8: evidence of something else, which is what physicists call the

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Speaker 8: fine tuning of the laws and constants of physics and

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Speaker 8: the initial conditions of the universe. So when you add

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Speaker 8: up all those different attributes you're looking at to explain

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Speaker 8: the origin of the universe, you need to postulate something

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Speaker 8: like the God of the Bible, which has those attributes.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a break here to see the film.

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Speaker 2: Go to the Story of Everything dot film slash Larry,

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Speaker 2: The Story of Everything dot film, slash Larry.

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Speaker 2: We continue our discussion about the film The Story of Everything,

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Speaker 2: which again you can see by going to the Story

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Speaker 2: of Everything dot film slash Larry Doctor. What does the

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Speaker 2: film say about Darwin and his survival of the fittest theory.

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Speaker 8: Well, we have three main acts in the film, each

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Speaker 8: dealing with different discoveries that have challenged the scientific atheism

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Speaker 8: or what scholars call scientific materialism or materialistic worldview. In

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Speaker 8: the third act, we deal with discoveries in modern molecular biology,

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Speaker 8: discoveries about the interior workings of the cell. And one

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Speaker 8: of the things we address there is the discovery that

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Speaker 8: side living cells, we not only have digital codes stored

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Speaker 8: in the DNA molecule, which is part of a complex

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Speaker 8: information storage, transmission and processing system, but we've also discovered

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Speaker 8: little tiny miniature machines, sliding clamps, rotary engines, little turbines,

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Speaker 8: little robotic walking motor proteins that owe vesicles of materials

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Speaker 8: along tracks made of other proteins. We have a kind

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Speaker 8: of automated factory on the interior workings of living cells.

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Speaker 8: And one of the scientists that we makes an appearance

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Speaker 8: and is interviewed in the film is Michael beahe who

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Speaker 8: has explained that these miniature machines really defy explanation by

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Speaker 8: reference to the Darwinian mechanism of natural selection acting on

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Speaker 8: random variations and mutations. The Darwinian mechanism selects for, as

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Speaker 8: biologists put it, functional advantage. But these miniature machines are

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Speaker 8: made of multiple parts, sometimes dozens of separate parts are

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Speaker 8: tightly functionally integrated, where in the absence of one or

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Speaker 8: two of those parts will render those machines completely inoperable.

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Speaker 8: They perform no function. So what BiH shows is that

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Speaker 8: to build parts like that in a Darwinian way, you've

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Speaker 8: got a big problem because if you are lacking even

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Speaker 8: a few parts, the system will have no function at all.

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Speaker 8: And so as you're trying to build the system up

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Speaker 8: in a Darwinian way step by step by step, there's

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Speaker 8: no function until the endpoint that would be selected by

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Speaker 8: natural selection and preserved and passed on to the next generation.

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Speaker 8: So there's a huge challenge to Darwinian evolution just from

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Speaker 8: these molecular machines. The film also addresses the question of

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Speaker 8: what's called chemical evolution, the idea the theory that attempts

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Speaker 8: to explain how you get to the first living cell

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Speaker 8: from simpler, non living chemicals. And in that part of

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Speaker 8: the film we show that there's a huge impass in

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Speaker 8: that field of inquiry, and that's been most importantly created

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Speaker 8: by the discovery of the information in DNA. We know

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Speaker 8: that information comes from an intelligence. Bill Gates has said

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Speaker 8: that DNA is like a software program, but much more

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Speaker 8: complex than any we've ever devised or created. We know

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Speaker 8: that software comes from a programmer. So the discovery of

880
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 8: information at the foundation of life, the film argues, is

881
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 8: a powerful indicator of a master programmer for life, of

882
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 8: a designing intelligence at work. In the Origin and in

883
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 8: the History of Life.

884
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: Charles Dorwin doctor Meyer was a believer, was he not.

885
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: Did he believe in something like a master designer?

886
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 8: He really didn't early in his career. Yes he did,

887
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 8: or early in his life, but he gradually lost his

888
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 8: faith over time and confessed to being, as he put

889
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 8: in a hopeless muddle about metaphysics, and he was at

890
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 8: least deeply agnostic. He made some kind of lip service

891
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 8: at the end of the Origin of Species to a

892
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 8: creator that was responsible for the evolutionary process. But as

893
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 8: he near the end of his life, it was pretty

894
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 8: clear that he had lost any semblance of religious belief,

895
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 8: and in fact, his strictly materialistic theory of biological origins

896
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 8: of evolution by natural selection kind of led him to

897
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 8: that conclusion because he wanted to attribute all the creative

898
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 8: genius of nature to that undirected, mindless process. There was

899
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 8: really no need in his schema for a creator. But again,

900
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 8: as I've explained, his theory first of all, did not

901
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 8: explain the origin of the first life. He didn't even

902
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 8: attempt to do that. And there have been many things

903
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 8: that have been discovered in recent years in biology that

904
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 8: really defy explanation by the Darwinian mechanism of natural selection

905
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 8: acting on random mutations.

906
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: Doctor, what is your opinion of people who call themselves

907
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: agnostics that I don't really know about how the universe

908
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 2: was created. I don't know whether or not there's a god.

909
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 2: And moreover, it doesn't matter because I'm going to function

910
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: my own life the way I think I should live,

911
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: which is to be a good person.

912
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, the problem with defining what it means to be

913
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 8: a good per apart from there is a problem with

914
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 8: trying to define what it means to be a good

915
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 8: person apart from some transcendent standard of morality above us

916
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 8: all to which we can appeal. So if we each

917
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 8: say we're going to do what we think is right

918
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 8: in our own eyes, that will inevitably degrade into a

919
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 8: kind of relativism and moral chaos and society. And one

920
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 8: of the things that has held the West together has

921
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 8: been the concept that there is a transcendent source of morality,

922
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 8: that it comes from God, our Creator, that the moral

923
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 8: commands that were given to us at Sinai and articulated

924
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 8: in the Judaeo Christian scriptures reflect God's love for human

925
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 8: beings and his desire to see them function best. That

926
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 8: in a sense, the moral commands of the Creator are

927
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 8: things that have been given to us by God so

928
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 8: that we function best in light of the way He

929
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 8: designed us to work. If we lose that concept of

930
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 8: morality and that confidence that the moral commands of the

931
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 8: Judaeo Christian tradition are rooted in the love of God,

932
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 8: I think we lose not only the foundation for culture,

933
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 8: but we in our own personal lives can devolve into

934
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 8: a kind of moral confusion. So agnosticism can be a

935
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 8: very honest position for many people to say I don't

936
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 8: know as an honest answer to a deep and hard question.

937
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 8: The focus of the film, though, is to say there's

938
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 8: no longer need to stay in an agnostic position, that

939
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 8: the evidence for God is very powerful, very compelling, and

940
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 8: it's coming about and it's been revealed by science. The

941
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 8: very thing that many people for many years have told

942
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 8: us undermines belief in God.

943
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: Doctor Mayer, we have two minutes left. What does the

944
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: story of everything tell us happens to us after we die?

945
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: If we are a believer, if we are a non believer, well.

946
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 8: We don't get explicitly into that question, but it has

947
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 8: a very important implication concerning that question. Nothing can mean

948
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 8: anything larry to a rock or an atom or an

949
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 8: elementary particle or even a DNA molecule. Things only mean

950
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 8: things to persons. And yet we persons, we human people,

951
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 8: all die, and so unless there is a transcendent person,

952
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 8: a personal creator for everything that exists, whose existence preceded ours,

953
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 8: and whose existence can extend beyond our brief time on earth,

954
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 8: there's no possibility of ultimate meaning for human life. And

955
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 8: many young people, in particular, since that I did as

956
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 8: a young person, it plunged me into a kind of

957
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 8: existential psychological crisis as a teenager. But many young people

958
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 8: sense that there is no ultimate purpose to their lives

959
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 8: or existence. But the evidence that we have that there

960
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 8: was a personal creator puts the whole question of personal

961
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 8: meaning and the possibility of an afterlife back on the table,

962
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 8: and so I think that's one of the reasons that

963
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 8: a number of people who have watched the film, We've

964
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 8: got a lot of testimonials to this effect, have been

965
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 8: deeply moved by it at a personal level, even in

966
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 8: some cases moved to tears, as they sense that if

967
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 8: the message of the film is correct, there is hope

968
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 8: for ultimate personal meaning. And indeed, even in Afterlife.

969
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: Well is an extraordinarily powerful documentary. It's also very entertaining,

970
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 2: and I'm just astounded by the reaction. As I said

971
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Speaker 2: to you at the beginning of our interview, doctor Meyer,

972
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: God is back. The Story of Everything dot film slash Larry.

973
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: The Story of Everything Dot film slash Larry. Doctor Meyer,

974
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: thank you so very much for taking the time.

975
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 8: Hey, thanks for the great conversation. I appreciate I've got it.

976
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: Give you the money.

977
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 2: Triple eight nine seven one s A g E. Triple

978
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: eight nine seven one seven two four three Larry Older

979
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: Salem this channel, we of course have been talking about

980
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: the Iran deal. I guess it's a deal for a deal.

981
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: There's sixty days before it's final. And we've been talking

982
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 2: for a long time with a man who was born

983
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: in Iran now is in Canada, Nicki Belleu. He's now back. NICKI,

984
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: thank you very much for taking the time. So, Nikki,

985
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts about this memorandum of an understanding

986
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: fourteen points?

987
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 12: Larry, like you said, I was born in Iran, and

988
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 12: I know these folks that have been occupying my country

989
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 12: and repressing my people for the last forty seven years,

990
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 12: they're not to be trusted. And quite frankly, their strategy

991
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 12: right now is they're gonna wait Trump out. They know

992
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 12: that Trump only has a couple more years in office,

993
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 12: and they know that other presidents have not had any

994
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 12: sort of fortitude when it comes to dealing with them.

995
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 12: They're gonna say what they need to say, they're going

996
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,479
Speaker 12: to do what they need to do, and they're gonna

997
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 12: wait this man out. They're going to write out this

998
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 12: storm and as soon as he's gone, they're going to

999
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 12: go back to their old tricks. They're going to start

1000
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 12: trying to develop nuclear weapons again. They're going to start

1001
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 12: funding in terraspros Welt because remember I think they called

1002
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 12: the valaata Fari, which basically means that they want a

1003
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 12: one world Islamist government and they intend to overthrow Western

1004
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 12: civilization in order to do that. They've actually been at

1005
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 12: war with the United States and the Western world ever

1006
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 12: since they came into power. And Trump was the first

1007
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 12: one to say, Okay, wait a minute, I'm going to

1008
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 12: do something about this. But because of all the political

1009
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 12: pressure on him, because unfortunately he didn't take the time

1010
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 12: to have fireside chats with the American people and explain

1011
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 12: why it was necessary, state of course and overthrow the regime.

1012
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 12: People have turned against the war, and he needed to

1013
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 12: do something politically speaking, to make sure that he didn't

1014
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 12: lose the midterms badly. Because if he loses the midterms badly,

1015
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 12: the Democrats are going to go try to and teach him,

1016
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 12: try to get get him out of office, and destroy him.

1017
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 12: He doesn't want that to happen. I understand that, but

1018
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 12: unfortunately the short term necessity could potentially turn into something

1019
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 12: horrible long term. And for the people of Iran, Larry,

1020
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 12: this is terrible because he told them help is on

1021
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 12: the way, and obviously right now help really isn't on

1022
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 12: the way, and the repression is going to continue. They

1023
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 12: just executed two more in the Simneywanians in the last

1024
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 12: forty eight hours.

1025
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: The last time we talked, Nikka, you were pretty confident

1026
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: that the people of Iran would rise up and take power.

1027
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: That has not happened. Why hasn't it happened?

1028
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 12: No, bottom line, Larry, because they need a bit of help.

1029
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 12: They need weapons, They need a way to shoot back

1030
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 12: because the Islamic regime imported these militias from Lebanon, from

1031
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 12: Iraq and from Pakistan that are non Iranians to basically

1032
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 12: shoot people in the streets that they started to protest.

1033
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 12: And you can't fight guns with nothing, right because you're

1034
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 12: just going to see the people get killed. And you

1035
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 12: recall back in January, January eighth and ninth killed almost

1036
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 12: one hundred thousand Iranians in two days when they rose up.

1037
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 12: They need help. In my opinion, what they need is

1038
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 12: they need a bunch of arms so that they can

1039
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 12: take the streets against this regime. Without it, they can't.

1040
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: Win, Nikki.

1041
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: Last hour, I was talking about the Powell doctrine of

1042
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: the doubt, the doctrine that was promulgated by Colin Powell,

1043
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: the former Secretary of State and one of his principles

1044
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: was you don't go to war unless there's overwhelming public support.

1045
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: This war has been opposed by most of the country

1046
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: from the beginning, and the opposition has only increased. So

1047
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 2: when you say that Donald Trump did not take the

1048
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: time to have fireside chats, I agree with you. I

1049
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: think he should have done everything he could to inform

1050
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: the American people how close I ran was to getting

1051
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: a nuke, the horrible things Iran has done in the

1052
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: last forty seven years. Many Americans either have forgotten or

1053
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: don't know. But I'm not even sure that would have worked,

1054
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 2: given the abject hatred that at least half this country has.

1055
01:03:59,440 --> 01:03:59,959
Speaker 1: For this man.

1056
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 12: You know, you may be right, but we'll never know.

1057
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 12: And I can tell you this, if there's any other

1058
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 12: situation where the United States is going to need to

1059
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 12: invest its blood and its treasure to get an outcome,

1060
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 12: the President of the United States owes it to the

1061
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 12: success of his endeavors to sit down and have those

1062
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 12: conversations with the American people. And honestly, it's my belief

1063
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 12: that if he had had a series of these chats

1064
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 12: with the American people starting on February twenty eighth, he

1065
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 12: wouldn't have seen the loss of support, and he would

1066
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 12: have had at least half the country supporting him, and

1067
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 12: that may have been enough for him to be able

1068
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 12: to continue stay the course, get some weapons to the

1069
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 12: running people, and keep bombing the crap out of the

1070
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 12: IOGC until they could overthrow it. But at this point

1071
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 12: we're never going to know. God is good. I believe

1072
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 12: God has a plan. It's not my plan, it's not

1073
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 12: your plan. And I believe he doesn't want this evil

1074
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 12: Nazi like regime to last too much longer. But how

1075
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 12: long it's going to last when it's going to be over?

1076
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 12: So right now? Is anybody's guests.

1077
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break.

1078
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: When I come back, I want to ask Nikki about

1079
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: the omission of the missiles program, the omission of support

1080
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: for terror proxys, and what does he think will happen

1081
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: to the Iranian people after this deal is done? Back

1082
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 2: to Nikki Bellou in just a second triple eight ninety

1083
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 2: seven and one s A G E.

1084
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: Do not leave.

1085
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 16: Town seything, go around me, crag get the money, Dalla

1086
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 16: do you crag git the moneys?

1087
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 2: Triple eight nine seven one S A G E Triple

1088
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: eight nine seven, one seven two four to three Larry

1089
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: Elder Stellom News Channel. We resume our discussion with Nikki Bellou,

1090
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: who is from Iran now lives in Canada. Nikki, isn't

1091
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 2: it likely that over the course of this next thirty

1092
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: days that Iran is going to violate this deal? So

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Speaker 2: ultimately it's not going to happen anyway, We're going to

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Speaker 2: go back to bombing.

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Speaker 12: I think it's very likely that they're going to violate

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Speaker 12: this deal. But what happens when they violate the deal,

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Speaker 12: we'll have to see. Because they violated the red lines

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Speaker 12: that Trump has gone for them repeatedly over the last

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Speaker 12: couple of months, and he hasn't gone back to bombing them.

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Speaker 12: I think President Trump right now wants to declare victory

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Speaker 12: and go home, and for him, that means saying, hey,

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Speaker 12: I get enough to make sure he run's not going

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Speaker 12: to get a nuclear weapon. And I think that's true

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Speaker 12: at least for the balance of his presidency, and he's

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Speaker 12: going to be able to say, look, this war wasn't

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Speaker 12: a forever war. We were in and out in under

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Speaker 12: three months, and we attained all our objectives. He's going

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Speaker 12: to say that and He's going to say America's safe

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Speaker 12: right now, and I think, as far as it goes,

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Speaker 12: that's true. But what isn't true is that these folks

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Speaker 12: are never going to give up their ambitions to create

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Speaker 12: a one world Islamist caliphate. They're never going to give

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Speaker 12: up their ambitions to obtain nuclear weapons, and they're going to,

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Speaker 12: if they're able to attain nuclear weapons or other weapons

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Speaker 12: of mass detruction, use them against the West. They're gonna

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Speaker 12: try to use them against Israel. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 12: have a hard time doing it, because Israel actually does

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Speaker 12: a pretty good job of defending itself, but they're gonna

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Speaker 12: be able to use it in Western Europe, and they're

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Speaker 12: gonna try to use those weapons in the United States.

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Speaker 12: In the post Trump era, if this regime stays in place,

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Speaker 12: all of that becomes all too real.

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Speaker 2: My front, Nikki, Is it possible Trump is thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I bomb the crap out of them. Their navy is

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Speaker 2: at the bottom of the ocean. Their air force has

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Speaker 2: been destroyed, their air defensibility has been completely degraded, if

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Speaker 2: not eliminated. Two levels of leadership have been killed, and

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Speaker 2: these guys still won't go. I can keep bombing and

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Speaker 2: keep bombing, and at some point I'm gonna hurt the

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Speaker 2: very people that I want to rise up and take

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Speaker 2: over the government. Do you think maybe that was part

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Speaker 2: of its thinking?

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Speaker 12: I do. I do. Like I said, all of the

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Speaker 12: things that went into the calculation of making this decision

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Speaker 12: makes sense from Donald Trump's position, and if I were

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Speaker 12: in his shoes looking at the midterms coming up and thinking,

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Speaker 12: I've got to do something to make sure that the

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Speaker 12: Republican Party holds the House in the Senate, or even

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Speaker 12: if they don't hold it, they stay close so that

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Speaker 12: the Democrats can't go crazy and steiny me and try

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Speaker 12: to come after me and my family. That all makes sense.

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Speaker 12: I'm just telling you from the point of view of history,

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Speaker 12: the post trumperra and his legacy, it doesn't make as

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01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 12: much sense because he had a chance to get rid

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Speaker 12: of these bastards and he decided, for political calculations not

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Speaker 12: to fully make that happen. And I think history will

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Speaker 12: judge that as a mistake in the long run.

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Speaker 2: Nikki, how close was he too, as you put it,

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Speaker 2: getting rid of these bastards.

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Speaker 12: I think it would have taken maybe a month or

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Speaker 12: two more of continuing to bomb the IOGC. I think

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Speaker 12: it would have taken a plan to get weapons into

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Speaker 12: the hands of the Iranian people, like significant amount of weapons.

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Speaker 12: And I think it would have taken coordinating with Israel

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Speaker 12: to attack the militias that were brought in by the

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Speaker 12: Mullahs from places like Lebanon, Iraq and Pakistan and wiping

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Speaker 12: those people up. I think if all that had happened,

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Speaker 12: the Iranian people would have a chance to rise up.

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Speaker 12: And then they dealed over three of these masters.

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Speaker 17: But if they go ahead, Nikki, if they get their

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Speaker 17: hands on money and they can start to rebuild, It's

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Speaker 17: going to be a long time before an opportunity like

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Speaker 17: this presents itself again.

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Speaker 1: That was my next question.

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Speaker 2: This memorandum of understanding seemed to suggest a minimum of

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Speaker 2: three hundred billion dollars to the Iranians, not out of

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Speaker 2: American taxpayer. There's some sort of fun that I guess

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Speaker 2: the Gulf States are going to put together. What's your

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Speaker 2: understanding about that? And why are we doing this, lost

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Speaker 2: nicki agerie.

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Speaker 12: But it is going to be funded by the Gulf States,

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Speaker 12: as you said, and I think the thinking is that

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Speaker 12: he's going to be able to bribe these guys into

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Speaker 12: good behavior. I just think that thinking is misguided and wrong.

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Speaker 1: Nikki.

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Speaker 2: What happens to the Iranian people? They have to tomorrow

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Speaker 2: now what.

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Speaker 12: They're going to be repressed even harder by the Molas.

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Speaker 12: The people that stood up are going to be found

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Speaker 12: and harassed, and many of them will be disappeared or executed.

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Speaker 12: And the message to them is don't you dare rise

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Speaker 12: up against us or else. But the spirit of the

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Speaker 12: Iranian people is strong. The spirit of Iran is that

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Speaker 12: of unity, love, harmony, family and freedom. And at some

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Speaker 12: point they're going to find a way to overthrow these guys.

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Speaker 12: I just don't know what that some point is going

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Speaker 12: to be after, and I don't know how to happen. Now.

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Speaker 12: There is a possibility that maybe Trump is waiting till

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Speaker 12: the midterms are over, and then he's gonna say all

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Speaker 12: bets are off, I'm gonna crush these guys. That's entirely possible,

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Speaker 12: But right now it's not looking good.

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Speaker 2: We only have one minute left. The assertion that two

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Speaker 2: tiers of leadership have been killed and now there's a

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Speaker 2: third tier and they're more reasonable to deal with. When

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Speaker 2: you hear that kind of language from President Trump, what's

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Speaker 2: your reaction.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, he has killed two tiers of high level leadership. However,

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Speaker 12: the people that are members of the IRGC, these are fanatics.

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Speaker 12: These are the worst of the worst of the Islamist

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Speaker 12: They're the true believers. I don't think they're more reasonable.

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Speaker 12: I just think they're taking a look around them and say, Hey,

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Speaker 12: if we overtly come against this guy, he's gonna wipe

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Speaker 12: us out. Let's not do that. Let's bide our time.

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Speaker 12: Americans don't have the fortitude to see something like this through.

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Speaker 12: All we got to do is wait this guy out.

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Speaker 12: That's what the cartels in Mexico said. You know, they

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Speaker 12: want to wait Trump out because they know that whoever

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Speaker 12: comes after him isn't going to be somebody who's ready

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Speaker 12: to go wipe them out. So they're gonna act nice thing,

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Speaker 12: ice fee, a little bit more reasonable, and they know

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Speaker 12: that Trump wants to make a deal. And then once

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Speaker 12: Trump is out of office, they're gonna come back with

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Speaker 12: full vehemence against the West.

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Speaker 2: Nicky, we're gonna take it. We're gonna take a break,

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Speaker 2: we come back. I want to ask you, if you

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Speaker 2: were to give advice President Trump, what would it be

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Speaker 2: I guess it's Nikki bellou O last few minutes, Nikki.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people I respect of criticized this deal.

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Speaker 2: General Jack Keene is the military expert I used on Fox.

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01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: He trashed it, called it an absurdity. Mike Pence, the

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Speaker 2: Vice President, essentially likened it to a deal that Neville

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Speaker 2: Chamberlain did with Hitler. Ben Shapiro has trashed it. Anny McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: a very thoughtful guy on Fox News, has basically called

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Speaker 2: it a retreat. A lot of people are saying that

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Speaker 2: the President Trump, what do you think his reaction is

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01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 2: to all of this criticism.

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Speaker 12: You know that President Trump doesn't like being criticized and he's.

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Speaker 3: Not going to take it. Well.

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Speaker 12: If you want to make a difference with President Trump,

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01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 12: you can't come up from the place of criticizing him

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01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 12: or his work. If I were advising Trump, here's what

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01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,959
Speaker 12: I would do. I would tell the president, mister President.

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Speaker 12: In the nineteen eighties, when Ronald Reagan was president, he

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01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 12: had William Casey, who was the Director of the CIA,

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01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 12: direct an effort to arm the Moujahadeen fighters in Afghanistan

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Speaker 12: with Stinger missiles so that they could fight the Soviets

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Speaker 12: and shoot down those hind helicopters that were wreaking havoc

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Speaker 12: on the Afghan population. And this was something that was

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Speaker 12: done out of the glare of the headlines. And I'd say,

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Speaker 12: mister President, sign a secret memorandum, give it to DCI

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01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 12: John Ratliffe and say, DCI Ratlift, you are here by

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 12: I directed to find groups with Amy Ran that you

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01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 12: can arm with the express purpose of overthrowing this regime,

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01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 12: because we do not believe that they can be trusted.

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01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 12: But we cannot come out and say so. We've got

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Speaker 12: to sell the deal to the world and to the public,

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01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 12: because it's important for the global economy, and it's important

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Speaker 12: for us politically, frankly, but our job's got to be

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Speaker 12: to overthrow these guys. And as soon as the midterms

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Speaker 12: are over, you take away that FIGUREEF and you become

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Speaker 12: a little more overt, and you say, hey, these guys

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01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 12: have been breaking the deal left, right and center, and

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Speaker 12: I'm sure there'll be a gazillion examples of that. You

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Speaker 12: know what, they can't be trusted. We have to take

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Speaker 12: action right now otherwise they're going to do something, especially

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Speaker 12: as soon as I'm out of office. And I tell

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Speaker 12: him start having these fire chat shipes with the American

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01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 12: people and say, folks, listen. In nineteen seventy eight, under

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Speaker 12: the presidency of a Democrat Jimmy Carter, our most stalwart

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Speaker 12: ally in the Middle East, the Shaw of Iran was

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Speaker 12: thrown to the wolves because he had this insane idea

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Speaker 12: that he could have a religion spelt to oppost Soviet expansionism,

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01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 12: and instead the Mullas who he supported, decided they were

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Speaker 12: going to take our people hostage, and they've been up

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Speaker 12: war with us ever since, and the people of Iran

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01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 12: have been in an opener of prison. This is something

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Speaker 12: that was caused by an American president. So now it's

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Speaker 12: time for another American president to help people be free

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Speaker 12: and to stop these people that have been oppressing the

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Speaker 12: good people of Iran from ever being able to hurt

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Speaker 12: us because they will lie, to cheat, and steel. They'll

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Speaker 12: say anything, but they're not prepared to follow through on it,

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Speaker 12: and we can't trust them.

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Speaker 2: Nikki nik just twenty seconds left, he took booths on

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Speaker 2: the ground, off the table, out of the gate.

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Speaker 18: Why have you.

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Speaker 12: Because listen, if the regime is overthrown and someone's installed

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Speaker 12: by the American people, the Iranian people will never give

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01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 12: them legitimacy. You've got to have the Iranian people overthrow

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Speaker 12: these people.

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Speaker 2: At the end of Nikki Bellu, thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: God bless you.

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Speaker 12: Thanks all.

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Speaker 1: But let's get her teed up.

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Speaker 5: You set lost to my.

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Speaker 19: Singo, you can't succeed with.

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Speaker 2: Lt Triple eight nine seven one s A g e.

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Speaker 2: Triple eight nine seven one seven two four to three.

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Speaker 2: I am Larry Elder. We are Salem News Channel. So

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Speaker 2: much to get to in our final hour of the show.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit more about this

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Speaker 2: memorandum of understanding. Also, this Hassan piker guy, the guy

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Speaker 2: that supports Hamas, goes on Charlemagne and the Gods show

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Speaker 2: and compares Israel to Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 1: I kitch you not.

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Speaker 2: Also, Joy Behar says I'm not a Republican and tries

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Speaker 2: to explain why, and based on her explanation, she ought

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Speaker 2: to be a Republican. My friend, the comedian Tom Dreesen,

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Speaker 2: who was the opening act for Frank Sinatra for decades,

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Speaker 2: has died at the age of eighty six. We're going

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Speaker 2: to play you one of his routines that I enjoyed

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Speaker 2: the most all of this and more. Triple eight ninety

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Speaker 2: seven one Sage Triple eight nine seven one seven two

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Speaker 2: four three Regarding the memoranum of understanding that Jack Keane,

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Speaker 2: the military expert on Fox News trash. This is before

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Speaker 2: he had the actual details. Look, we all know that

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Speaker 2: Iran is going to violate the deal. That's a given,

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Speaker 2: just as they violated this so called Sea Spire. The

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Speaker 2: real issue, the real question is what will President Trump do,

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Speaker 2: What action will he take when Iran does the mid

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Speaker 2: A coming, gas prices are going to be down. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: the Republicans will retain control of the House, although that's

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Speaker 2: a long shot. The retention of the Senate is more likely.

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Speaker 2: And let's see what the president does. But can you

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Speaker 2: imagine the Iranians agreeing to any deal?

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Speaker 1: Any deal?

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Speaker 2: And as I said in the first hour, Obama said,

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Speaker 2: one of my regrets of my presidency was I didn't

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Speaker 2: take more action when there was descent in the streets

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Speaker 2: during the first year of my presidency in Iran, like

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Speaker 2: what like what three years ago? Four years ago during

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration, Biden's national security advisor was on CNN

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Speaker 2: and he was asked, should should you take Biden takes

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Speaker 2: strong re action to help those who are descending in Iran?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, we're we're.

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Speaker 2: Renching up the sanctions, we're talking to other dissonance about

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Speaker 2: what more can be done. Didn't even come close to

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Speaker 2: saying I would do what the President eventually did, which

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Speaker 2: is bombed. This's not out of them now. This is

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Speaker 2: General Jack Keene, military expert frequently appears on Fox I

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Speaker 2: think it's a Fox News contributor. Here's what he said

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Speaker 2: before the details of the deal were made. Number forty six.

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Speaker 20: Vice President JD. Vance has been going around different media

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Speaker 20: tours recently talking about what is and isn't in this deal.

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Speaker 20: He says, part of the agreement is that nuclear inspectors

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Speaker 20: will be able to go back into Iran and verify

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Speaker 20: that they aren't restarting their program.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 20: Will nuclear inspectors be allowed back in Yes, absolutely, that's

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Speaker 20: in fact, one of the.

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Speaker 12: Core parts of the agreement is that the IAEA and

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Speaker 12: the United States are going to help her in destroy.

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Speaker 3: The highly enriched stockpile.

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Speaker 20: And that's something that's spelled out very clearly in the MoU.

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Speaker 5: Is there a date?

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Speaker 20: Has a date been set on what inspectors will be

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Speaker 20: allowed into Iran?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's one of the things we're to talk about

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Speaker 3: on Friday.

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Speaker 20: General you heard him say that they're going to help

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Speaker 20: the IAEA and the US destroy the enrich uranium in

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Speaker 20: your opinion, do you think it's realistic that Iran is

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Speaker 20: ever going to let the US get in there and

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Speaker 20: either take that uranium out or destroy it or is

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Speaker 20: that wish we're thinking.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't know for sure.

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Speaker 18: I mean, obviously that's our intent, and we got the

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Speaker 18: right intent here listen, and we have got to be

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Speaker 18: part of the inspection team. Iran has so manipulated the

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Speaker 18: IAEA through the years that I don't have a lot

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Speaker 18: of faith in them to be frank and what it's

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Speaker 18: got to be, it's got to be anywhere, anytime inspections.

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Speaker 3: What the inspection.

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Speaker 18: Protocol was about in the past, is Iran defined where

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Speaker 18: to inspect, when to inspect, and how long to inspect.

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Speaker 18: And then when we had information through intelligence sources that

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Speaker 18: we fed to the IAE and told them, look at

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Speaker 18: there's a secret site over here that you should have

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Speaker 18: access to because we believe something is being developed there

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Speaker 18: in terms of enrichment, or there's advanced centifuges there.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever it was.

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Speaker 18: And in all those cases that intelligence was likely very good.

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Speaker 18: And guess what Aron said, No deal, that's not part

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Speaker 18: of the protocol.

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Speaker 3: So we have to be on the ground.

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Speaker 18: It has to be driven by our and the Masad's

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Speaker 18: intelligence apparatus, and we go any place we want, when

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Speaker 18: we want, for as long as we want. And if

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Speaker 18: we can't do that, we don't have verification. And we

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Speaker 18: have to have verification. This idea that somehow we may

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Speaker 18: be dealing with a different regime and its behavior is

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Speaker 18: something we're going to be able to adjust to and

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Speaker 18: accommodate is an absolute absurdity. This is a diabolical, tyrannical regime.

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Speaker 18: And they clearly feel the pressure on them from the

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Speaker 18: United States military operations just last week, two bombing campaigns

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Speaker 18: to get them to this deal, and obviously the economic

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Speaker 18: warfare that the blockade and what Secretary Psson is doing,

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Speaker 18: which is extraordinary. They feel all of that pressure. But

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Speaker 18: believe me, the nature of the regime has not changed.

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Speaker 18: And we have got to be clear eyed in dealing

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Speaker 18: with these guys. What they say and what they do

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Speaker 18: are two different things. They cannot be trusted. We have

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Speaker 18: to enforce compliance.

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Speaker 20: To your point about all that pressure, Obviously, hindsight is

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Speaker 20: twenty twenty. But do you think President Trump should have

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Speaker 20: ever entered into that ceasefire back in April, or should

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Speaker 20: he have just kept his pedal to the medal wiped

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Speaker 20: out all their military targets to keep up maximum pressure

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Speaker 20: with these negotiations.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I definitely feel that is what we should have done.

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Speaker 18: We had two weeks to go twenty five percent of

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Speaker 18: the targets. We really had significant pressure. We could have

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Speaker 18: finished the offensive operation accompascy assigned mission and then began

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Speaker 18: the defensive operation to open the straits of a Moves

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Speaker 18: And I think people at the time were very concerned

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Speaker 18: about the straits. The single drone is going to stop

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Speaker 18: the operation being successful. That is completely unfounded. I think

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Speaker 18: now that they've seen us work through a lane there

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Speaker 18: and have a lot of success with it and.

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Speaker 3: Defeat everything that's come at them.

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Speaker 18: I mean, we haven't seen a fast boat in like

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Speaker 18: four weeks because we defeated all the fast boats that

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Speaker 18: came at it, and same thing with the drones. We

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Speaker 18: could have done that operation, and I think in hindsight

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Speaker 18: people will recognize that's what we should have done and

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Speaker 18: just continued the military operation. But that's not where we are.

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Speaker 18: There's no sense looking in the rearview mirror here. Well,

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Speaker 18: we need to make certain of we're on a diplomatic path.

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Speaker 18: Let's get the strongest possible diplomatic solution to this that

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Speaker 18: we can best deal. President Trump knows how to get

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Speaker 18: a good deal. There's been a lot of stuff flying

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Speaker 18: around about what's wrong with the deal and particularly the

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Speaker 18: negotiating positions.

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Speaker 3: Not all of that has come from Iran.

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Speaker 18: Might have friends in the media who I trust and

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Speaker 18: their sources were impeccable in terms of people in the

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Speaker 18: administration that had some concerns about our negotiating positions, and

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Speaker 18: those things were flying around as well. The administration has

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Speaker 18: absorbed that certainly, and I think we're on a path here,

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Speaker 18: but we've got to be really tough and know who

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Speaker 18: we're dealing with in Iran.

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Speaker 3: We've got them on their.

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Speaker 18: Knees, and let's finish this as much as we possibly can,

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Speaker 18: using a very strong deal with Iran to get the

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Speaker 18: much of the original objectives achieved here as we can.

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Speaker 2: And Mike Panther made a very similar point. This is

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Speaker 2: again before the terms were released number nineteen.

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Speaker 10: Look, when I was vice president, I had I had

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Speaker 10: one answer with one notable occasion when the President asked

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Speaker 10: me to step into a role and I said, I'm

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Speaker 10: here to serve and I respect the Vice President's role here,

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Speaker 10: but I know who's making the deal. You know, nothing's

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Speaker 10: changed in this new Trump administration from the last one

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Speaker 10: as far as I can see. I mean, the President

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Speaker 10: is the one that's green lighting this tactic, in this strategy,

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Speaker 10: and I would if I was still at his side,

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Speaker 10: you know, I would urge him to go back to

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Speaker 10: his first instincts when it comes to Iran, and that

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Speaker 10: is peace through strength. And you know, I don't know

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Speaker 10: how we're going to have greater leverage over what remains

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Speaker 10: of that terrorist regime in Iran after we go into

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Speaker 10: another sixty days or more of a ceasefire and negotiations.

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Speaker 10: Now is the moment to stand firm and quite frankly,

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Speaker 10: if Iran is not convinced that they are defeated and

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Speaker 10: need to come to the table and yield on those points,

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Speaker 10: then we ought to allow the armed forces of the

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Speaker 10: United States and our ally Israel to convince them again.

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Speaker 2: The overwhelming majority of Americans oppose this war. President Trump,

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Speaker 2: And this is what Trump is facing. He knows that

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Speaker 2: These are people that are determined to subjugate the entire world.

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Speaker 2: And if a world has to be blown up to

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01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:18,560
Speaker 2: make that happen. Well, I've just been given a advancement,

1522
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 2: a raise, so now I'm in paradise. That's how fanatically

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01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 2: ignorant and evil these people are. And Trump knows that,

1524
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: but much of the country does not, and that's the

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01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 2: dilemma that he's in. So Rand's gonna cheat. We know

1526
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 2: they're gonna cheat. The question is what will President Trump

1527
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 2: do when that happens? And what will the American people do?

1528
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 2: Will they finally wake up? Charlie is an Oshkos Wisconsin.

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01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 2: Charlie're and the Larry O the show, Thank you so

1530
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 2: much for calling.

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01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,759
Speaker 19: Larry. I write terms for a living. I'm not a lawyer,

1532
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 19: so I don't write legal contracts. I write letters intent,

1533
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 19: which is exactly the same as Moulis and MOUs are

1534
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 19: not binding and no jurisdiction finds them enforceable. So you

1535
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,759
Speaker 19: might ask why bother If it's not a final contract,

1536
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 19: it's not an enforceable agreement, what's the purpose. There's three

1537
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 19: main reasons. First of all, if we have defeated the

1538
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 19: Islamic Army and you have to separate the Iranian people

1539
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 19: from the Islamic Army. If we've defeated them. We're saying,

1540
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 19: if you want to live, here's the deal. And if

1541
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 19: they do want to live, they'll concede everything we want. Now,

1542
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 19: that's unlikely. The more likely scenario is that they'll fail,

1543
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 19: which will just kill them and hand the country to

1544
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,759
Speaker 19: the people. But there's a third level that most people

1545
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 19: don't quite understand. What did the opposition say when Trump

1546
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 19: started the war? What did the opposition say when he

1547
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 19: wouldn't stop waging war? We should have diplomacy. This will

1548
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 19: prove the point once and for all that insanity does

1549
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 19: not allow diplomacy. It's and then he'll be justified. I'm

1550
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 19: going to war.

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Speaker 2: Well, I agree with everything you said except one thing.

1552
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 2: This ought not have been necessary, this insanity argument that

1553
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 2: you're making valid. But how and why the rest of

1554
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 2: America doesn't understand that?

1555
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: It's beyond me.

1556
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: As I said in the first hour, Obama says, I

1557
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 2: don't think you're going to get a better job, better

1558
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 2: deal than I did. And four years ago, Biden's National

1559
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,759
Speaker 2: Purity Advisor was on CNN when there was some uprising

1560
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 2: in the streets in Iran and he was asked a

1561
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 2: simple question, should we be doing more and he gave

1562
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 2: a bunch of different answers, one of which was not

1563
01:32:56,080 --> 01:33:01,440
Speaker 2: military power. Now, how many more times you're going to negotiate,

1564
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 2: how may more times you're going to sign deals? How

1565
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 2: many times are going to give him more and more

1566
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 2: and more and more opportunities. Let's play that again. This

1567
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 2: is CNN in two thousand and two. Dana Bash is

1568
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 2: talking to Jake Sullivan, the Biden National Security Advisor number

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Speaker 2: forty eight.

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Speaker 7: In Iran, security officials are continuing to crack down on protesters.

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01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 7: Former President Barack Obama was reflecting on similar protests in

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Speaker 7: Iran during his presidency that happened in two thousand and nine,

1573
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:32,839
Speaker 7: and he said he regretted holding back some public support

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01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 7: for protesters. Listen to what he said.

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Speaker 14: In retrospect. I think that was a mistake. Every time

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01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 14: we see a flash, a glimmer of hope, of people

1577
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 14: longing for freedom, I think we have to point it out.

1578
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 14: We have to shine a spotlight on it, We have

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01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 14: to express some solidarity about it.

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Speaker 7: Is the Bond administration doing everything you can to help

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01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:05,839
Speaker 7: the protesters in Iran.

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Speaker 9: We are taking a range of aggressive actions to try

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01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 9: to support the protesters in Iran. The first thing that

1584
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 9: we're doing is trying to hold accountable those brutal officials

1585
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 9: in the Iranian regime who are cracking down on protesters,

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01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 9: killing protesters, beating protesters. We have sanctioned the so called

1587
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 9: morality Police, we have sanctioned senior officials who have participated

1588
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 9: in the brutal crackdown and repression. We've sanctioned the Communications

1589
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 9: Minister who is responsible for trying to cut off the

1590
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 9: Internet from Iranians communicating with one another. And then we've

1591
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 9: taken steps to try to make it easier for brave Iranians,

1592
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 9: the women and citizens of Iran standing up for their

1593
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 9: dignity to be able to talk to one another and

1594
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 9: to be able to talk to the world. We are

1595
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 9: always looking for more things that we can do, and

1596
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,560
Speaker 9: in fact, just this past week, I had the opportunity

1597
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:02,719
Speaker 9: to meet with Iran activists who are working from outside

1598
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 9: the country to support those who are working inside the country,

1599
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,839
Speaker 9: to hear their ideas for additional steps the United States

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01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 9: can take. We stand unequivocally, clearly, emphatically, and with principles

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01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 9: and values, on the side of the Iranian protesters, the

1602
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,799
Speaker 9: women and citizens standing up for their freedom and their dignity.

1603
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 9: President Biden has spoken to this multiple times, and we

1604
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 9: will continue to do that day in day out, just

1605
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 9: as I am doing here on your program.

1606
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 2: Now, now you hear that we're taking a range of

1607
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 2: aggressive actions. We're holding those accountable for their repression, sanctions,

1608
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 2: actions to make it easier for women and men to freely.

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01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 2: How you already had a deal that Obama still brags

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01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 2: about that they were violating. The IAEA was responsible for

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01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 2: making sure the deal us being enforced. They were thoroughly compromised.

1612
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 2: They when they got intelligent from US about where things are,

1613
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 2: they didn't look. The Iranians wouldn't let them. It was

1614
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 2: a joke. So we're looking at a range of things.

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Speaker 2: Trump takes action, and the very same people who say

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Speaker 2: the Larry Yoda Show. Thank you so much for calling.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Larry.

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Speaker 22: I just want to make a comment on your last session.

1651
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 22: Is alrad ever gets a nuclear bomb and this threatens Israel,

1652
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 22: Europe for the United States, the United States will not

1653
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 22: stand by retailer to Israel or sorry, Ran White Bout

1654
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 22: will have cular person Zuca perforation the way you will

1655
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 22: be done with this country, This world will be gone

1656
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 22: on a nuclear war.

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Speaker 12: It'll be the end.

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01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,759
Speaker 22: That's all I want to say, because that's all desperate

1659
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 22: this situation is.

1660
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 2: That's how desperate it is, which is why President truck

1662
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 2: took President Trump took action. Why so exasperating that much

1663
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 2: of the world is hostile. This is in everybody's interest

1664
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 2: for Ran not to get a nuclear bomb. Thank you

1665
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 2: very much for the call. I appreciate it. Can I

1666
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:07,679
Speaker 2: switch topics just a little bit. Tom dreeson a friend

1667
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 2: and longtime opening act for Frank Sinatra, tells lots of

1668
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,799
Speaker 2: great stories about that has just died at the age

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01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 2: of eighty six. Number twenty eight was.

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Speaker 21: I played on all black football team. I was a

1671
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 21: running back on the South side Harvey, where I grew

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01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 21: up at. We played against all the suburbs, and so

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01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 21: I was the only white kid on the team in

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01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 21: the toughest suburb in that area was all Gail Gardeners.

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01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 21: If you're from Chicago, you know all Gail Gardens are

1676
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 21: a tough area, all black area, and great athletes and

1677
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 21: Allgail Gardens had a middle linebacker named le Roy Connors.

1678
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 21: His nickname was Lunatic, and he called himself lunatic because

1679
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 21: when you got the ball, he did not want to

1680
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 21: tackle you. He wanted to kill you. And all the

1681
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 21: Augail Gardens fans knew this, and they would come every

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01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 21: Saturday to watch le Roy hurt somebody. So now they

1683
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 21: come running out on the field. I love them black

1684
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 21: guys from Algail Gardens. And we came off the bus,

1685
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 21: ten black guys from my team and me and the

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01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 21: Augil Gardens fans all began to say at the same time,

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01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 21: give the white boy the ball. Yeah, I give that

1688
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 21: white boy the ball. Now today they call it trash talking.

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01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 21: When I was growing up, it was trash talking. It

1690
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 21: was a way to get in your head. Only we

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01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 21: called it the dozens in those days. But I'm a little

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01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 21: white boy.

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01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:27,640
Speaker 1: I don't know this.

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01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 21: A dozens is a dozen ways to talk about your mama.

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01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 21: So I'm getting ready to get in the huddle, and

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01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 21: Leroy said to me, hey, why boy, I saw your

1697
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 21: mama standing on the corner with a mattress sounder back

1698
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:45,679
Speaker 21: yelling the curve service. I get in the huddle. I said,

1699
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 21: he's talking about my mother. I said, oh, Tommy, he's

1700
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 21: playing the dozens. He's trying to get in your head.

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01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 21: I come out of the huddle of Royce said, hey,

1702
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 21: why boy, I played a dozens and I played the

1703
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 21: game the way your mama is a crying shame. I said,

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01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 21: I don't play the dozens. I played the eleven and

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01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 21: a half, the eleven sisters, and you have mama. Now,

1706
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 21: my teammates are saying you're the white boy to the ball.

1707
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 21: The referees are saying you're the white boy to the ball. Yeah,

1708
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 21: and Leroy hit me.

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01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: I'd go up the middle.

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01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 21: Leroy hit me left side, hit the right side. He

1711
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:39,600
Speaker 21: had my number of the whole game. Brutalizing brutalizing me.

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01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:41,759
Speaker 21: In fact, one time the coach said in a play

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01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 21: to try to fool the Roy, because he was on

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01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,839
Speaker 21: to me all the time. The play was a quarterback

1715
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 21: would fake to me. I'd roll out left, quarterback would

1716
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 21: roll out right, but do a sharp hard pass and

1717
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 21: hit me in the chest with the ball.

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01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 3: So we pull off the play. We're gonna fool the Roy.

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01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 21: Meanwhile, the quarterbacks they're in heavy pursuit on so and

1720
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 21: set him telling the hard pass. He told the flare

1721
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 21: up in the air of them trying to catch this ball,

1722
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 21: and I heard footsteps and I realized we hadn't fooled

1723
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 21: le Roy. And Leroy is talking to God. He's saying,

1724
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 21: thank you guy for this opportunity. And he hit me

1725
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 21: like a truck ran over me. And I'm only saying

1726
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 21: that for this. If you ever passed that reparation's law,

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01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 21: I ain't paying. I paid in all Gail Gardens, you

1728
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 21: know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: When we come back. Jory Ree was explaining why she's

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Speaker 2: not a Republican.

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Speaker 1: She is ill informed. Triple eight nine seventy one s

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Speaker 1: h G. Do Not Leave Town.

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Speaker 2: Eight nine seven one Sage Triple late nineteen one seven

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Speaker 2: two four three. I am Larry Elder. We are staying

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Speaker 2: on the news channel. I said joy read, I meant

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Speaker 2: joy Bahar. I get my angry joys confused. Listen to

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Speaker 2: this number twenty one.

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Speaker 23: I don't mind a Republican on the city level because

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01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 23: it needs a little discipline. But on the national level,

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01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 23: I want somebody with a good heart, and those are

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01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 23: more in the Democratic Party. In my opinion, they care

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01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 23: about the poor, they help people. The Republican Party is

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01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 23: much more about saving taxes for rich people, so I'm

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Speaker 23: not a Republican.

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Speaker 2: They care more about the poor. Republicans are about saving

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01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 2: taxes for rich people. I'll ignore the latter part, saving

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01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 2: taxes for rich people. Let's talk about they care more

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Speaker 2: about the poor. I've been talking about this for years.

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Speaker 2: There's a book called Who Really Cares? By a guy

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Speaker 2: named Arthur C.

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Speaker 1: Brooks.

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Speaker 2: At the time, he was a public policy professor at

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Speaker 2: Syracuse University. Wasn't particularly political, and he looked around to

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01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 2: find out if anybody ever done any research on who

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01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 2: was more generous with their time with their money, Conservatives

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01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 2: or liberals, and he soon the answer would be liberals.

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01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 2: But he found out nobody had ever done a really

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01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 2: comprehensive study, so he did. He was shocked by the findings,

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01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 2: hired a whole different staff, not unlike what Roland Friar

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01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 2: did when he found out that the police were not shooting

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Speaker 2: black people, which just because they were black, to do

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Speaker 2: the research over again and again and again, and it

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01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 2: turned out that conservatives were far more generous with their

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Speaker 2: money and with their time, more more likely to donate

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Speaker 2: blood than liberals. And it wasn't even close. Back in

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01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 2: twenty ten, book comes out. Around that time, three out

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01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 2: of four families in America gave charitable gifts average amount

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Speaker 2: eighteen hundred, or three point five percent of their income,

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Speaker 2: but identical families earning forty nine thousand, one being religious,

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Speaker 2: one being non religious, the former gave two two hundred

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01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 2: and ten dollars versus six hundred and forty two dollars.

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Speaker 2: And religion correlates very strongly with political ideology. Republicans are

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Speaker 2: far more likely to be religious, Liberals far less likely

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01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:57,679
Speaker 2: to be religious. And so it turns out conservatives give

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01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 2: far more money and more time and even more blood

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Speaker 2: than do liberals. So if Joy Behar's reason is because

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01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,799
Speaker 2: she thinks Republicans don't care as much about the poor.

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Speaker 2: She's just flat dead wrong. Let's play it again, number

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Speaker 2: twenty one.

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Speaker 23: I don't mind a Republican on the city level because

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01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 23: it needs a little discipline. But on the national level,

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01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 23: I want somebody with a good heart, and those are

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01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 23: more in the Democratic Party, in my opinion, they care

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01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 23: about the poor, they help people. The Republican Party is

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01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 23: much more about saving taxes for rich people. So I'm

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01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 23: not a Republican.

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01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 2: And regarding saving taxes for rich people, you look at

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01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 2: the tax cuts by Reagan tax cuts by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: The top one percent end up paying a greater percentage

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01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:01,080
Speaker 2: of the federal income taxes than they did before. The

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01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:03,799
Speaker 2: bottom fifty percent pay almost nothing in federal income taxes.

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01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 2: And while the top one percent pay o well over

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Speaker 2: forty percent of all the federal income taxes, they make

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01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 2: around twenty percent of the national income. So, if anything,

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01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 2: wealthy people are over taxed, not under tax But again

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01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 2: the bottom line is it isn't even close. Conservatives are

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01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 2: far more generous with their money and with their time

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01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 2: and not just to their own churches, compared to liberals.

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Speaker 2: I remember when Biden was running al gore they gave

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01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 2: a much smaller percentage of their income to charity than

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01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,840
Speaker 2: the Bushes did, and then all of a sudden, when

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01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 2: this came out, they dramatically increased the amount of money

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01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 2: they gave the charity. The following year, they were embarrassed. Now,

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Speaker 2: Bill Maher almost got this right while talking to Howie Mandel.

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Speaker 2: I'll explain what he got wrong. Number thirty eight.

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Speaker 24: This how many people do you think the police shoot

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Speaker 24: a year? I don't know. See, so you're talking out

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01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 24: of here. Well tell me a thousand. They should about

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01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 24: a thousand people a year. Okay, and how many? How

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01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 24: many of that is are white people? Tell me so

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01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 24: again we're having this discussion. You're so sure of yourself,

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01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 24: you don't even know the stats. But why does that

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01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 24: stat because you're talking about what you're talking about, how

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01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 24: much you have to worry about I'm not.

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Speaker 15: I have to worry my friends who are black, who

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Speaker 15: are raising who are married and raising kids. Right, here's

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Speaker 15: what I this is what I'm my personal experience, my

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01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 15: personal experience. When I took my kids out and they

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01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 15: got their driver's license, I was worried about them driving safely.

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Speaker 15: And those are the discussions I have, don't speed and

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Speaker 15: don't take somebody. My black friends have to have an

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Speaker 15: added discussion I agree that I've never had with my kids.

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Speaker 15: If you get pulled over by the cop, make sure

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Speaker 15: that your hands don't reach for anything.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So isn't that privilege?

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Speaker 24: Okay, again, let's not talk about Let's I like the

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Speaker 24: word advantage better. There's something about privilege that just is it.

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01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,799
Speaker 24: It bleeds into something that gets a little ridiculous. Our advantage,

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Speaker 24: I think is a harsher thing. I think it's a

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Speaker 24: realer thing.

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Speaker 4: I think you guys are talking about the same thing

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01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 4: and n't want to use it because we're the connotation

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01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 4: of it that's attached to it.

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Speaker 24: Okay, but let's get back to the police. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 24: they shoot about a thousand people right now in a

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Speaker 24: country of three hundred and forty million people, a lot

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01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,799
Speaker 24: of whom are crazy and a lot of whom are armed.

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01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 24: I don't know if that's like a ridiculous number. There

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01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 24: are some people the police do have to shoot. What

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01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 24: percentage are white? Three quarters more white?

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Speaker 14: Wow?

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Speaker 24: But since blacks are only fourteen percent of the population,

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01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:04,839
Speaker 24: that's almost twice the percentage of what it would be. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 24: so there's a problem. There's a problem. But police also

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01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:13,600
Speaker 24: have many more encounters with black people, so you have

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01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 24: to figure in all these things.

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Speaker 2: Now, a few things he said. The police shoot a

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01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 2: thousand people every year. No, they shoot more than that.

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01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 2: They shoot and kill a thousand people every year, and

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01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 2: fifty percent of them are white, twenty five percent of

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01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:31,800
Speaker 2: them are black. The rest of them are either other

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01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:39,080
Speaker 2: or race undetermined. But there's a problem. I'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that in just a second. Stick around for that. Parents

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01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:46,879
Speaker 2: and grandparents. Turn on any streaming platform, open a textbook,

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01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 2: or scroll through social media, and you'll hear the same

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01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 2: message repeated over and over. Life is an accident. The

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01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 2: universe has no purpose and meaning. It's something you create

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Speaker 2: Trible eight nine seventy one, S eight g E Triple

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Speaker 2: eight nine seventy one seven two four to three.

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Speaker 1: I'm Larry. Oh that we are sale on news Channel.

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Speaker 2: So I just played you an exchange between Bill Moore

1873
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 2: and how I Mandel discussing the assertion that the police

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01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 2: are killing black people more black people than they are

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01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 2: killing white people, and Bill Maher informed him that not true,

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01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 2: although he said the police shoot a thousand people every year. No,

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01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 2: they shoot and kill a thousand people every year. Half

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01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 2: of them are white, twenty five percent of them were black.

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01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:26,600
Speaker 2: The rest of them are other or races undetermined. And

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01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:28,799
Speaker 2: then Howe Mandel said, yeah, well there's still a problem

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01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm a father, and I don't tell

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Speaker 2: my kids to keep their hands on the wheel when

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01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:37,719
Speaker 2: they're pulled over. Well, every virtually everybody I know who's

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01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 2: white said that his or her father told them that,

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01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 2: and mother did, and they tell their own kids that.

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Speaker 2: So I have no idea what he's talking about, as

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01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 2: if you don't tell white people to follow orders when

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01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:55,800
Speaker 2: they're pulled over by the police. But moreover, the implication

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01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:57,559
Speaker 2: is that the police are pulling over black people for

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01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 2: no reason other than the fact that they're black. Now,

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01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,759
Speaker 2: virtually every city, including the one I am in Los Angeles,

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01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 2: for years, has required people to write down the race

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01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 2: of people when they pull them over. The ACLU, along

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01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 2: with Chris Darden, the prosecutor who prosecuted O. J. Simpson,

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01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 2: held a big press conference years ago and demanded that

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01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:24,920
Speaker 2: the police do this. So the police said, okay, as

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01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 2: is the case in virtually every big city. So the

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01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 2: police have for years been writing down the race of

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01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 2: people when they pull them over. Now what have all

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01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:37,639
Speaker 2: this data? Were the class action lawsuits claiming that police

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01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 2: are pulling over people for no reason other than their

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01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 2: black Where is it? The fact is, it's not there.

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01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 2: There was a study done by during the Obama administration

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01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 2: by the National Institutes of Justice, which is the research

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01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 2: arm of the DJ turned out seventy five percent of

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01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 2: black motors who were pulled over admitted that they were

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01:53:54,840 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 2: pulled over for the jitimate reason. Others complained, but it

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01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 2: turned out, you name the offense prickly speeding, a black

1909
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:05,360
Speaker 2: person was more likely to be involved in it than

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Speaker 2: a white person. The faster the speed, the more likely

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Speaker 2: it is that the motors is black. Years ago, there

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01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 2: was an argument that blacks were being pulled over for

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Speaker 2: no reason on the New Jersey Turnpike. The new Jersey

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01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 2: governor demanded a study. Study came out said that when

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01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 2: it comes to speeding, blacks were more likely to do it,

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01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 2: and frequently at night you couldn't see anyway. Plus the

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01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 2: sunlight would clear off the windows, so you couldn't tell

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Speaker 2: the race of the driver in the first place. Turned

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01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 2: out the whole narrative was a complete horse bleep. Not

1920
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 2: saying there aren't bad cops, but when that happens, deal

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Speaker 2: with it on a case by case base. It don't

1922
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 2: act like it's systemic. All you're doing is encouraging young

1923
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 2: black men to refuse to comply when the police pulled

1924
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:51,280
Speaker 2: them over, making it more likely that what would ordinarily

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01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:55,400
Speaker 2: be a regular traffic stop turns into deaf con one.

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Speaker 2: And you've done that with your rhetoric and with your

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Speaker 2: ignorance mm hmmm, Triple eight nine seventy one s a G.

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Speaker 2: Let's do this again, Gang love you.

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Speaker 5: What can I say my bowel but Mike, that's good

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Speaker 5: drum all across America. That's enough. Put down the micro.

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Speaker 5: The Larry Elders Show