1
00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:08,039
Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hi from the Salvation Army. You're listening to

2
00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:09,240
Speaker 1: Words of Life.

3
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,720
Speaker 2: The words.

4
00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,280
Speaker 3: Words Words these the words are Life.

5
00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,640
Speaker 4: Hey, and welcome back to Words of Life. Today is

6
00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,280
Speaker 4: our final episode and a series we've been doing focused

7
00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,400
Speaker 4: on writers. In this final episode, we're going to discuss

8
00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,800
Speaker 4: how the Salvation Army encourages Christian authors and the lengths

9
00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,640
Speaker 4: that we go to ensure that every publication we release

10
00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,120
Speaker 4: is biblically sound. Joining me again will be Kristin Mudge,

11
00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,720
Speaker 4: and we'll be joined by Major Jamie Satterley and Jeremy Roland.

12
00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,879
Speaker 4: To find books published by the Salvation Army, you can

13
00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,240
Speaker 4: visit my trade south dot com or check out the

14
00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:07,120
Speaker 4: show notes where we'll have more links and information. I

15
00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,319
Speaker 4: want to welcome again you heard her voice last week,

16
00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,160
Speaker 4: Kristin Mudge.

17
00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,399
Speaker 3: I'm Kristin. I am the Southern Territorial Publications Editor, so

18
00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,200
Speaker 3: I'm in charge of the Southern Spirit and I'm also

19
00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,200
Speaker 3: part of the process for any other written resources like

20
00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,240
Speaker 3: specifically books and things like that.

21
00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,560
Speaker 4: And we have Jeremy Roland. What is your current role

22
00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:26,960
Speaker 4: with SESES?

23
00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,080
Speaker 5: So I am the territorial director for supplies and purchasing

24
00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,280
Speaker 5: for the Southern territory, so we actually provide all the

25
00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,319
Speaker 5: resources to the territory. So I not only all the

26
00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,160
Speaker 5: uniforms and branded items out there, but also all the

27
00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,000
Speaker 5: book publications. We helped through the publication process and also

28
00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,080
Speaker 5: help with the marketing and promotion of those.

29
00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm Jamie, I'm the tarried one of the territorial Youth

30
00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,680
Speaker 2: secretaries here in the Southern Territory. This I love this topic.

31
00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,360
Speaker 2: I love the topic that we're talking about today because

32
00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,560
Speaker 2: it's the Savation Army writing. People outside the Savation Army

33
00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,840
Speaker 2: writing have had a great influence on my faith in development,

34
00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,520
Speaker 2: so it's good to talk about it.

35
00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,200
Speaker 4: So today we're really highlighting just the commitment and investment

36
00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,760
Speaker 4: that the Salvation Army has put into written resources like

37
00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,560
Speaker 4: books and other publications. But something really interesting that shows

38
00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,000
Speaker 4: you how deep that goes. At least within the US.

39
00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,480
Speaker 4: Pretty much every territory has some type of regular publication

40
00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,200
Speaker 4: like a magazine or a newspaper. Kristen is through her

41
00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,120
Speaker 4: role in charge of the Southern Spirit. But then, Jamie,

42
00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,520
Speaker 4: your previous role was heavily involved in this area. Can

43
00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,120
Speaker 4: you talk about that?

44
00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,480
Speaker 2: Sure? Yes, prior to coming back to the South in

45
00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,320
Speaker 2: the Youth Department. We were at national Headquarters and I

46
00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,840
Speaker 2: was in the publications department there for three years. So

47
00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,320
Speaker 2: the first year I was the editor of Peer magazine,

48
00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,000
Speaker 2: and then for years two and three I was the

49
00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,840
Speaker 2: director of Publications. So I oversaw all of the National

50
00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,520
Speaker 2: Salvation Army for the United States publications, which includes Peer Magazine,

51
00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,000
Speaker 2: War Cry, Word Indeed, which is a theological journal, and

52
00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,400
Speaker 2: then Crest Books, which is our book publishing wing nationally.

53
00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,720
Speaker 2: So you're right, all four territories do some type of publication,

54
00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,120
Speaker 2: and then nationally there are a number of publications that

55
00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:14,799
Speaker 2: come out as well.

56
00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,600
Speaker 4: Hey, you're listening to the Salvation Army's Words of Life.

57
00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,840
Speaker 4: We're gonna take a quick ad break and we'll be

58
00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:23,480
Speaker 4: right back.

59
00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

60
00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,160
Speaker 2: So if you think back to like when the Bible

61
00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,720
Speaker 2: first started getting printed, and like what the importance of

62
00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,640
Speaker 2: all that, you know, it's it removed that intermediary, right.

63
00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,840
Speaker 2: I didn't have to trust what that bishop or whoever

64
00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,880
Speaker 2: over there was saying. I didn't have to move at

65
00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,240
Speaker 2: the pace that he wanted to move at. I didn't

66
00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,240
Speaker 2: have to rely on his interpretation of the Bible. I

67
00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,480
Speaker 2: could read it all for myself. And I think that's

68
00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,000
Speaker 2: still true today, but I think it's also important today.

69
00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,920
Speaker 2: You know, we had these discussions a lot when I

70
00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,080
Speaker 2: was at National Should we can tinue to publish books,

71
00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,000
Speaker 2: Should they only be online? Should it only be on

72
00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,840
Speaker 2: an e reader? Those kind of things is crazy, as

73
00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,720
Speaker 2: it might seem to us today, not everybody has accessibility

74
00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,760
Speaker 2: to digital materials, and so having that printed word available

75
00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,320
Speaker 2: for them is another way, another avenue to get the

76
00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,320
Speaker 2: gospel out right. And that's for me, that's what it's

77
00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,000
Speaker 2: all about. Is this a way to get people to

78
00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,160
Speaker 2: know Jesus, to be in deeper relationship, to be discipled,

79
00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,080
Speaker 2: to be able to be holy, and let's do it.

80
00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,520
Speaker 5: I think right now, especially nowadays, is there's questions about

81
00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,720
Speaker 5: what is truth and what do you trust? What don't

82
00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,039
Speaker 5: you trust? And to be able to have resources from

83
00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,480
Speaker 5: trusted authors that have been vetted through a spiritual biblical

84
00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,719
Speaker 5: lens is extremely important. And God's still using his people,

85
00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,719
Speaker 5: I mean in some ways as profits right to different perspectives,

86
00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,279
Speaker 5: different lenses, different stories. That's why I think the written words,

87
00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,360
Speaker 5: it's important people keep writing.

88
00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,400
Speaker 4: So we want to talk about how the Salvation Army

89
00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,320
Speaker 4: supports writers, how the Salvation Army vets resources. There's probably

90
00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,880
Speaker 4: even a lot of Salvationists that are unaware to the

91
00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,840
Speaker 4: extent that the Salvation Army has invested in making sure

92
00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,200
Speaker 4: that the resources that are put out are ones that

93
00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,640
Speaker 4: you can trust. I want to hear about how this

94
00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,240
Speaker 4: works now. I know Jeremy and Kristen you are on

95
00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:25,440
Speaker 4: the Literary Council.

96
00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:31,719
Speaker 3: What is that literary Council? We have several representatives from

97
00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:38,440
Speaker 3: different departments and from Executive Council. We gather occasionally on

98
00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:44,599
Speaker 3: an as needed basis to discuss possible manuscripts that we're

99
00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,400
Speaker 3: looking at to possibly publish in the future. We really

100
00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,200
Speaker 3: sit with the material, We take our time to go

101
00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,960
Speaker 3: over it. We assign people to actually vet the doctrinal

102
00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:04,039
Speaker 3: foundation of what's being written. We have editors that look

103
00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,480
Speaker 3: through the actual written words and work with the authors

104
00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,560
Speaker 3: to make sure that we're getting the very best possible

105
00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:17,120
Speaker 3: product and making sure that it's something that's really going

106
00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,480
Speaker 3: to speak to the Southern Territory specifically. If it's not

107
00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,640
Speaker 3: going to be something for our particular audience, we'll often

108
00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:30,360
Speaker 3: encourage them to look to national headquarters to possibly publish

109
00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,680
Speaker 3: through National or sometimes we even encourage them to self

110
00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,800
Speaker 3: publish as this is something for a wider audience, not

111
00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,960
Speaker 3: necessarily specifically Salvation Army.

112
00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,880
Speaker 2: I love this aspect of the Salvation Army, and that again,

113
00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,599
Speaker 2: it is really just about getting the word of God

114
00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,080
Speaker 2: into the hands of people, and so all throughout our

115
00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,599
Speaker 2: history you can look and it's done in beautiful ways

116
00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,200
Speaker 2: through band music and people who are writing hymns, or

117
00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,720
Speaker 2: who are writing books or writing articles, or you know

118
00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,800
Speaker 2: Joe the Turk who's out on the street corner doing

119
00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,560
Speaker 2: all kind of nonsense just to get the word of

120
00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,200
Speaker 2: God into the hands of people. And that's what the

121
00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,159
Speaker 2: Savage Army is like. You know what, you have a

122
00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,800
Speaker 2: gift in this. Let's invest whatever is going to get

123
00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,320
Speaker 2: the Gospel to the people. We're happy to do it.

124
00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,800
Speaker 2: And the publications I think it's just one of many ways,

125
00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,680
Speaker 2: but it has a way of getting into places that

126
00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,960
Speaker 2: people can't go. I don't know how many people are

127
00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,480
Speaker 2: aware of this, but the War cry goes into prisons

128
00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,000
Speaker 2: all over the United States, into areas where they people

129
00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,720
Speaker 2: can't go into. I would get letters or testimonies all

130
00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,080
Speaker 2: the time of people who are like I was literally

131
00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,760
Speaker 2: in hell and God came to me through the War

132
00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,320
Speaker 2: Cry and a light. It was like this was the

133
00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,800
Speaker 2: only piece of hope I had, was when the war

134
00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,200
Speaker 2: cry would make it into my cell. And so I

135
00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,240
Speaker 2: just think, like I love that about the Savage Army,

136
00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,960
Speaker 2: that we're like, we'll do whatever crazy business has we

137
00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,360
Speaker 2: have to do so that people who are lost and

138
00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:08,960
Speaker 2: in like the darkest places have some shred of hope.

139
00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,080
Speaker 4: So when something is released published by the Salvation Army,

140
00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,400
Speaker 4: it's gone through so much vetting. Why is that important

141
00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,440
Speaker 4: as a Christian to not just pick up any Christian

142
00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,960
Speaker 4: book just because it's on the quote Christian New York

143
00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,240
Speaker 4: Times bestseller It could be kind of trash as far

144
00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,600
Speaker 4: as its theology goes. Why is it important to know

145
00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,800
Speaker 4: that what we are reading is biblically sound.

146
00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,160
Speaker 3: Some of them may be Christians, which is why they're

147
00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,080
Speaker 3: being publicized as Christian authors, but some of them are

148
00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,360
Speaker 3: not necessarily like grown up into the church. Some of

149
00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,120
Speaker 3: them could be baby Christians, newborn Christians who don't have

150
00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,560
Speaker 3: that solid theological foundation and don't truly have the background

151
00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,520
Speaker 3: to understand where they're writing from. And they may have

152
00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,480
Speaker 3: great ideas, but they may not understand the full picture

153
00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,960
Speaker 3: of what they're trying to say.

154
00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,240
Speaker 2: One of the cool things is today really anybody can

155
00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,400
Speaker 2: publish through Amazon or there's all these kind of ways

156
00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,240
Speaker 2: where you can just self publish a book and get it,

157
00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,280
Speaker 2: you know, out there pretty quickly. And so we say

158
00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,160
Speaker 2: this to young people all the time, is just because

159
00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,880
Speaker 2: somebody looks like they know what they're talking about, doesn't

160
00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,680
Speaker 2: mean they know what they're talking about. And just because

161
00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,000
Speaker 2: somebody calls themselves a believer on TikTok doesn't mean that

162
00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,240
Speaker 2: the things that they're saying actually line up with the

163
00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,120
Speaker 2: Word of God. When the Salvation Army publishes or when

164
00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,280
Speaker 2: you go through you know, certain other avenues, you kind

165
00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,240
Speaker 2: of know that they've been vetted, right, like we've talked about,

166
00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,080
Speaker 2: they've been through a process with theologians or historians. So

167
00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,320
Speaker 2: I would say it's a little bit on the part

168
00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,480
Speaker 2: of the reader to have to do some homework and

169
00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,000
Speaker 2: figure out, Okay, you know, is this just like some

170
00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,560
Speaker 2: rando who you know, had a couple of dollars and

171
00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,319
Speaker 2: was able to publish a book. But have they put

172
00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,520
Speaker 2: in the time and effort in their own spiritual walk

173
00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,800
Speaker 2: to be grounded in the faith to be able to say,

174
00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,880
Speaker 2: you know, this is what the Lord is saying to me,

175
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,600
Speaker 2: or you know, I believe this is how it lines

176
00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,520
Speaker 2: up with the Word of God. So you do have

177
00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:11,240
Speaker 2: to be careful.

178
00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,040
Speaker 5: And I know we've talked about this recently, but going

179
00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,199
Speaker 5: back to what like one of the biggest great areas

180
00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,160
Speaker 5: right now in our culture is what is truth. It's

181
00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,439
Speaker 5: just people don't know. You could grow up in the

182
00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,120
Speaker 5: church and they still don't know. I mean between somebody

183
00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,440
Speaker 5: who calls themselves a Christian and how they're living don't

184
00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,000
Speaker 5: match up, or interpretations of scripture or taking things out

185
00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,680
Speaker 5: of context or those types of things. So to be

186
00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,600
Speaker 5: able to vet through a resource, through a biblical lens

187
00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,440
Speaker 5: to an academic historical lens, it's extremely important process.

188
00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,000
Speaker 4: We pray that you're enjoying and being blessed by this conversation.

189
00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,199
Speaker 4: We're going to take one more ad break and we'll

190
00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:53,920
Speaker 4: be right back.

191
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,240
Speaker 2: Was at National we were still working our way through

192
00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,280
Speaker 2: Commissioner Needham's books that were kind of devotionals that took

193
00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,000
Speaker 2: us through the church calendar. And one of the things

194
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,000
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed about those is as I was reading

195
00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,000
Speaker 2: and editing is it was also like the Holy Spirit

196
00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:17,080
Speaker 2: speaking into me.

197
00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:17,280
Speaker 3: Right.

198
00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,000
Speaker 2: It was almost my own devotional There were times where

199
00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,439
Speaker 2: I had to go back and be like, Jamie, you're

200
00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,280
Speaker 2: not reading this for your own devotional development. You have

201
00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,520
Speaker 2: to be paying attention so that you can use a

202
00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:31,040
Speaker 2: different lens right for the editor side. But I really

203
00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,480
Speaker 2: appreciated that my own spiritual formation happening through this editing process.

204
00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,960
Speaker 2: Another book that it actually came out after I left National,

205
00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,800
Speaker 2: but we started the process when I was there, is

206
00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,079
Speaker 2: Major Sandra Powar is more than just a refugee, which

207
00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,200
Speaker 2: came out it was either earlier this year or last year,

208
00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,199
Speaker 2: and she talks about her experience working with refugees. We

209
00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,960
Speaker 2: hear a lot about immigration in these places through the news,

210
00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,720
Speaker 2: through all kinds of voices, but this is a person

211
00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,840
Speaker 2: who is a minister of the Gospel, who has experience

212
00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,160
Speaker 2: in this area and is sharing her experience through the

213
00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,360
Speaker 2: lens of what God has called us to in mission.

214
00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,600
Speaker 2: I think it's an important book.

215
00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,640
Speaker 3: We have things like The Southern Spirit where it's not

216
00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,520
Speaker 3: just news stories, but that's great, you can see what's

217
00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,160
Speaker 3: happening around the territory, but we also publish people's stories

218
00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,760
Speaker 3: and devotional thoughts and things that you could do in

219
00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:39,120
Speaker 3: your own core, and it's just smaller snippets. If you're

220
00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,000
Speaker 3: not looking for a whole book to get into, or

221
00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,080
Speaker 3: if you're a writer, you're not looking to do a

222
00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,160
Speaker 3: whole book, if you're looking to just write the one

223
00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,360
Speaker 3: thought that you have and maybe it's just six hundred words.

224
00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,480
Speaker 3: We have the Southern Spirit every month where there's a

225
00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,440
Speaker 3: place for people to read that and to still accept

226
00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,280
Speaker 3: the truth through that written resources.

227
00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,120
Speaker 2: God has created us with gifts, right for some it's writing,

228
00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,920
Speaker 2: for some it's your like vocal voice. For some it's

229
00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,280
Speaker 2: sculpture or painting or you know, gardening, bringing God's creation

230
00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,040
Speaker 2: into you know, thriving and into life. And I think

231
00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,400
Speaker 2: when we use the gifts that God has created us

232
00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,840
Speaker 2: to convey the message of God, something magical is not

233
00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,960
Speaker 2: the right word, but something inspired happens. And if people

234
00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,640
Speaker 2: can you know, learn from that or grow from that,

235
00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:49,280
Speaker 2: what a blessed gift.

236
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,200
Speaker 1: The Salvation Army's mission doing the most good means helping

237
00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,319
Speaker 1: people with material and spiritual needs. You become a part

238
00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,040
Speaker 1: of this mission every time you give to the Salvation Army.

239
00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,400
Speaker 1: Visit Salvation Army USA dot org to offer your support.

240
00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,840
Speaker 1: You can subscribe to Words of Life on your favorite

241
00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,120
Speaker 1: podcast store, or visit Salvation armyesoundcast dot org. Join us

242
00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,360
Speaker 1: next time for the Salvation Armies. Words of Life are

243
00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:24,960
Speaker 1: the Words, the Words of Life Words.

244
00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,280
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for listening to Words of Life. We

245
00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,160
Speaker 4: want to thank the team at Life Audio for their

246
00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,680
Speaker 4: partnership with us on the show. Visit lifeaudio dot com,

247
00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,360
Speaker 4: where you'll find dozens of other faith centered podcasts in

248
00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,200
Speaker 4: their network. They have shows about prayer, Bible studying, parenting,

249
00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,160
Speaker 4: and more. Thanks again for listening. We'll see you next

250
00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:49,320
Speaker 4: time