WEBVTT - Assessing Iran as President Trump's Deadline Approaches

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<v Speaker 1>We are five hours away, less than five hours away

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<v Speaker 1>from the deadline than President Trump has put to the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian regime to come to terms that are acceptable to him.

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<v Speaker 1>In the United States, I begin the program with Congressman

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Harrigan, representing North Carolina's tenth congressional District. Pat Harrigan

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me himself a Green Beret, Pat, welcome. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to remind the audience who's new. You have

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<v Speaker 1>the distinguished David Dryer share on the UUs show for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years we had a regular congressman. It was

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<v Speaker 1>David Dryer, that with Seohn Campbell. That was Tom Cotton,

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<v Speaker 1>then it was Mike Pompeo. That was Mike Gollagher, then

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<v Speaker 1>it was Mike Waalts. Now we just got to have

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<v Speaker 1>a warrior, so you're it. Pat. What did you make

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<v Speaker 1>of Saturday's rescue?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was incredible, Hugh. I mean, look, if

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<v Speaker 2>you had any doubt about the capability of the United

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<v Speaker 2>States military, whether it was after the Midnight Hammer operation

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<v Speaker 2>from a year ago highlighting our deep strike, whether it

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<v Speaker 2>was snatching and grabbing Maduro, the president of Venezuela out

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<v Speaker 2>of his own country, There's just not much else that

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<v Speaker 2>I think could really impress you other than the operation

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<v Speaker 2>that happened on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we spent.

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<v Speaker 2>Every resource that we had to spend, an awful lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money, but we brought that man home, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that's instructive to the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one, our capabilities. Number two our commitment to our people.

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<v Speaker 2>We're never ever going to leave you behind.

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<v Speaker 1>Pat Harri, you're a Green Beret, so you're part of

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<v Speaker 1>that community special warfare. I am old enough to remember

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<v Speaker 1>the disaster in the desert Egle Claw. You weren't even alive,

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect, and everything changed. Then Jay Sock stood up

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<v Speaker 1>and you began to operate together. Do you think any

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<v Speaker 1>part of our special forces was left out of this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>They're telling you about hundreds of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Involved, no likely not at least within the tiers that

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<v Speaker 2>are expected to operate on this type of an extremist operation.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I do think that what you're seeing is

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<v Speaker 2>you're seeing the symphony of the joint Force as it

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<v Speaker 2>was intended to be utilized. And that's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I think President Trump doesn't get enough credit

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<v Speaker 2>about over the last year is that, look, you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>all these different military adventures that we've had in the

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<v Speaker 2>last twenty five years that have not paid off for

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<v Speaker 2>the United States of America at all, It's largely been

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<v Speaker 2>because we fundamentally use the military in a way it's

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<v Speaker 2>not designed to be used like we are not a

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<v Speaker 2>protracted conflict force, which is one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>I've been so vocal about making sure that, Okay, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing in Iran here, let's make sure we get

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<v Speaker 2>out as quickly as we possibly can. Because the longer

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<v Speaker 2>this goes on, the more perilous it becomes for the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, the more difficult it becomes for us to

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<v Speaker 2>define success, the easier it becomes for us to shift

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<v Speaker 2>the mission, which is exactly what happened and led to

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<v Speaker 2>the failures during the Global War on Terror. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to see that repeated again.

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman Pat Harrigan, I want to read to you President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's posts from this morning, which has got many people upset.

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<v Speaker 1>The entirety of it. A whole civilization will die tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>never to be brought back again. I don't want that

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we

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<v Speaker 1>have a complete and total regime change where a different, smarter,

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<v Speaker 1>and less radicalized mind prevails, who knows, maybe something revolutionarily

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most important moments in the long and

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<v Speaker 1>complex history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion,

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<v Speaker 1>corruption and death will finally end. God bless the great

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<v Speaker 1>American people of Iran. Now he's clearly talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>last forty seven years, not the twenty five hundred years

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<v Speaker 1>of Persian civilization. But you wouldn't know that from the

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<v Speaker 1>online commentary today. Richman, what'd you make of that post

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<v Speaker 1>and of the President's comments for the last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Look, it's certainly got a lot of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're there, they're feathers or flittering out there. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a difference between what the President is intending

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<v Speaker 2>to say and what the words are conveying to some folks,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly those that don't know him. In no way, shape

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<v Speaker 2>or form. Do I think that he's talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>end of civilization. I think he's talking about the end

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<v Speaker 2>of a way of life, and whether that was an

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<v Speaker 2>authoritarian regime that has just doubled and tripled down on terrorism,

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<v Speaker 2>the exportation of terrorism, choosing chaos over commerce, somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>just has not been a responsible player in the world

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<v Speaker 2>and saying, look, yeah, we're going to go after your

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<v Speaker 2>power plants, We're going to go after your bridges. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the President has been really really clear about that,

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<v Speaker 2>and the way of life that you have today might

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<v Speaker 2>not be the type of lifestyle that you end up

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<v Speaker 2>having tomorrow, because those things are all dual use, and

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<v Speaker 2>we know what that regime has chosen to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the power that they produce, and the bridge is an

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure that they have, which is so the seeds of

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<v Speaker 2>chaos and death across.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the globe.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, I think that the President has been clear.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish he was a little bit more clear with

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<v Speaker 2>his post earlier today. I think any type of ambiguity

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<v Speaker 2>that you have at this stage of the game does

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<v Speaker 2>need to be clarified by the administration. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are freaking out making too much

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<v Speaker 2>out out of what was said today purposely.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's impossible to post something that ends

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<v Speaker 1>with God bless the great people of Iran and not

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<v Speaker 1>understand it. Congressman Harrigan, can you remind people where the

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<v Speaker 1>tenth Congressional district in North Carolina is? I want them

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<v Speaker 1>to have a good fix on who you represent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hey, we're in central western North Carolina, just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit north of Charlotte, go all the way up

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<v Speaker 2>to Winston Salem, and then I live out in Hickory

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<v Speaker 2>out on the western side, which is where I am

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<v Speaker 2>right now. It is a beautiful, lovely place to visit

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<v Speaker 2>and live. Encourage everybody to check us out. And I'm very,

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<v Speaker 2>very proud to represent the vibrant tenth district in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, you've got a lot of veterans. North Carolina is

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<v Speaker 1>a veteran heavy state. Of course, you got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of active duty in North Carolina as well. What do

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<v Speaker 1>they think about the last forty days where they were on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think overall people understand that it was likely inevitable

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<v Speaker 2>that it needed to happen at some point. I think

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<v Speaker 2>mowing the lawn with Iran is something that has unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of become an expectation of what we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to do to deal with that radical Islamist regime. However,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that all global War on Terror veterans are

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<v Speaker 2>very much adamantly against boots on the ground, like I

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<v Speaker 2>have been from the very beginning here. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing to wage in air war in a campaign

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of suppress the regime and push them off

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<v Speaker 2>for another five years or ten years until we got

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<v Speaker 2>to go mow the lawn again. We certainly do not

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<v Speaker 2>want them to have a nuclear weapon. That's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the non negotiable red lines that exists here. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think we've accomplished that and so and I think folks

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<v Speaker 2>that our veterans understand that we have really succeeded in

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<v Speaker 2>executing and accomplishing the main five objectives that we had

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<v Speaker 2>from a military perspective. So, you know, I think all

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<v Speaker 2>of us are.

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<v Speaker 1>On the same page.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's bank the win and let's get the heck out

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<v Speaker 2>as quickly as we possibly can. That's in line with

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<v Speaker 2>America's strategic interest long term.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we've got one marine expeditionary unit on site in

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<v Speaker 1>the Tripoli and another one on its way that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be there in another week. To mews, they can do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different things. Do they take and hold

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred miles of coast along the narrowest portion in

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<v Speaker 1>the south the strait of hormones? Is that something that

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<v Speaker 1>would be within their mission set?

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely something that they're capable of. But capability is

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<v Speaker 2>different than deciding to do it. And I have been

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<v Speaker 2>someone that has been very vocal and adamant about not

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. I think once you put boots on the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>you have fundamentally changed the missions that we have and

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<v Speaker 2>that's how you end up getting into the global War

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<v Speaker 2>on terror right as well, we didn't achieve perfection with

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<v Speaker 2>what we set out to achieve. We didn't settle for

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<v Speaker 2>good enough, and we're now going to kind of create

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<v Speaker 2>this new mission which creates second and third order consequences

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<v Speaker 2>that you then have to deal with, and before you

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<v Speaker 2>know it, you're lodged in a quagmire that does not

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<v Speaker 2>need to happen in Iran, and I've been very vocal

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<v Speaker 2>about making sure that we do not go boots on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground. I think if boots on the ground are contemplated,

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<v Speaker 2>it has and I've said this before, it's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be going after nuclear material with special operations in out missions.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>The President needs to make the case to the American people,

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<v Speaker 2>and Congress has to be involved. Other than that, this

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<v Speaker 2>thing's got to wrap up before sixty days and we

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<v Speaker 2>need to get out here.

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<v Speaker 1>All right now, Congressman, I just wanted for the record,

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<v Speaker 1>the sixty to eight thing is the War Powers Act.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that unconstitutional. You and I can argue about

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<v Speaker 1>that some other time, but I want to thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for your time today. Congressman Pat Harriet. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>did they redraw your district lines in North Carolina? Are

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<v Speaker 1>they the same ones? No?

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<v Speaker 2>We yeah, they did in North Carolina, but they did

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<v Speaker 2>not touch the Great tenth District in North Carolina. We're

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<v Speaker 2>very happy about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Good for you, Good for you, Congressman Pat Harrigan,

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<v Speaker 5>Here's the thing, Hugh.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I'm from the southern part of Ohio, as

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<v Speaker 6>you know, and I think that the Cleveland Browns are

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<v Speaker 6>in a rebuilding era, and I feel like Jimmy just

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<v Speaker 6>wants to get arch Manning in that twenty twenty seven draft,

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<v Speaker 6>and he's probably going to get him. And you know

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<v Speaker 6>it's going to be Katie bar the door for the

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<v Speaker 6>Cleveland Browns as soon as arch Manning is their quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he could have said that, but your colleague chose

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<v Speaker 1>not to. I'm just remembering that. Now. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to another voice from the past. Fourteen we're five hours,

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<v Speaker 1>less than five hours away from a deadline, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the president's post. In a moment before the

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<v Speaker 1>president posted that Ben Rhodes, failed novelist, former speechwriter, former

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<v Speaker 1>deputy National security advisor to President Obama, attendee at Fidel

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<v Speaker 1>Castro's funeral, and left wing metter neck on ms NOW

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<v Speaker 1>posted the US government is run by a lunatic who

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<v Speaker 1>is not in control of events and is resorting to violence,

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<v Speaker 1>to straw to try Parenz unsuccessfully to impose control. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that embodied sunk costs. How do you assess that?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, here's the thing, and I just I think that

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<v Speaker 6>it does a disservice to the Congress of Vienna.

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<v Speaker 5>To compare Ben Rhodes to Metterneck. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 6>You this guy and his ILK spent their entire careers

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<v Speaker 6>in Washington appeasing the Iranian regime that has instigated so

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<v Speaker 6>much terrorism across the world and has tried to destroy

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<v Speaker 6>our country for forty seven years.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know they used our own tax dollars.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody remembers the famous air dropping of American cash that

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<v Speaker 6>was put into that airplane by American taxpayers. We've got

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<v Speaker 6>April fifteenth coming up. Everybody's familiar with what happens to

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<v Speaker 6>them on April fifteenth. It was him and his ILK

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<v Speaker 6>who gave them money that they could put into their

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<v Speaker 6>missile program, that they could put into development of nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 6>Their approach to Iran made this situation much much worse

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<v Speaker 6>and has led us to where we are today. And

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what's going to happen at eight pm.

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<v Speaker 6>We do know that this president Donald Trump is the

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<v Speaker 6>kind of guy who follows through on threats if he

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<v Speaker 6>needs to do it. But he's also the kind of

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<v Speaker 6>guy who is interested in peace. He said he wants

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<v Speaker 6>to cease fire. He says he just wants them to

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<v Speaker 6>reopen the straight of Ormus and it seems like the

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<v Speaker 6>kind of thing the Iranians could do if they wanted.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think you maybe mentioned.

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<v Speaker 6>That these sorts that be fifty two's are already in

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<v Speaker 6>the air, and they're maybe six hours away in keeping

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<v Speaker 6>with that eight pm deadline.

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<v Speaker 5>So we're all watching the clock.

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<v Speaker 6>We're all curious to what actually will happen. Of course,

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<v Speaker 6>in President's truth social posts left, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of a lot up in the air. Maybe he doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>even know because it's based on how the Iranians respond

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<v Speaker 6>to what he's asking for, which is simply reopened the strait.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me reread that post for people. Our whole civilization

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<v Speaker 1>will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However,

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<v Speaker 1>now that we have complete and total regime change, where different,

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<v Speaker 1>smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>can happen. Who knows and caps we will find out

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<v Speaker 1>tonight one of the most important moments in the long

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<v Speaker 1>and complex history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion,

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<v Speaker 1>corruption and death will finally end. God bless the great

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<v Speaker 1>people of Iran. So if you want to read the

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<v Speaker 1>first line and stop. You can say the president out

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<v Speaker 1>of control. If you read the whole thing, you know

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about the civilization is the same as the

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<v Speaker 1>regime in this post, and the regime is evil. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how I read it, John, Do you read it differently?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I read it the exact same way, Hugh. And

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<v Speaker 6>obviously you know so much more to I mean, your

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<v Speaker 6>audience is very familiar with your expertise on foreign policy,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's it's unquestioned.

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<v Speaker 5>And I read it the same way. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>one of the things.

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<v Speaker 6>That I've read that that there's a ten point plan

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<v Speaker 6>out there and there's there's maybe some sort of a

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<v Speaker 6>movement toward a CeaseFire's being broken through the pakistanis you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it's hard to know what to believe and what's being

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<v Speaker 6>pushed that's maybe not accurate or is accurate. I think

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<v Speaker 6>the bottom line is that there has been movement if

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<v Speaker 6>you if you just listen to what the president has said,

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<v Speaker 6>and hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

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<v Speaker 5>Here and at eight pm there's an agreement.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, Hugh, another guy who I you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you're in my mind, you really are one of the

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<v Speaker 6>pre eminent voices in America on foreign policy, and you've

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<v Speaker 6>you've studied this, you know so much about it. There's

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<v Speaker 6>another guy I really likes. Name's Brian Hook, and we've

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<v Speaker 6>had him on our show a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>On Iran. He was the Iran guy and he won.

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<v Speaker 6>He was and you know, one of the things he

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<v Speaker 6>said is that in Iran, obviously the molas are in charge,

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<v Speaker 6>but the IRGC controls a lot of the means of production,

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<v Speaker 6>they control a lot of the commerce. And so he

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<v Speaker 6>has said on numerous occasions that that if the IRGC

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<v Speaker 6>is in a position where they feel like their ability

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<v Speaker 6>to continue their control over commerce in that nation is jeopardized,

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<v Speaker 6>they will come to a negotiating table.

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<v Speaker 5>In a way that the Molas may not. And so

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<v Speaker 5>that could be the situation we're in right now.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I mean, what the president is, who the

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<v Speaker 6>President is talking to directly is a little bit of

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<v Speaker 6>a mystery to us, but it's not a mystery to

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<v Speaker 6>the experts who are delivering, you know, these these briefings

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<v Speaker 6>to the president, who've been studying the region and who

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<v Speaker 6>know the players like the back of their hand. And

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<v Speaker 6>I just have to have confidence in the professionals who

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<v Speaker 6>are around him and guiding him at this moment here,

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<v Speaker 6>just hours before the eight pm.

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<v Speaker 1>Deadline, and you'll be covering and I think on tomorrow's

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<v Speaker 1>program as well. I hope. I do want to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up two things from today's program. March Madness is almost done.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to go over to a comfortably smug to

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<v Speaker 1>his ex account to vote on the final four. And

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<v Speaker 1>a fine final four they are. I personally think Don

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<v Speaker 1>Lemon's going to pull it out, but we'll see. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I had not read this story about the naked

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<v Speaker 1>burglar who has been terrorizing northern Virginia, but I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>realized that Michael Duncan had been gone the same I

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<v Speaker 1>noticed you guys put two together today. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the world to know they should go listen to smuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Duncan might be unhappy with you tomorrow. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think?

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<v Speaker 6>You know what Duncan was back today? And he assures

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<v Speaker 6>me that was not him. We're gonna trust wait for

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<v Speaker 6>We're gonna wait for the ring camera footage to come out,

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<v Speaker 6>just to be certain.

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<v Speaker 5>We do trust, but verify here.

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<v Speaker 6>I think he's in the clear this time, but you

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<v Speaker 6>never know. In the weeks ahead on the Hack Madness,

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<v Speaker 6>I agree with you. I think Don Lemon could be

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<v Speaker 6>the guy. If he's not, it might be Abby Phillip.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think she gets all this guy jennying backwater

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly. I don't know if you know Larry O'Connor.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know Larry I do? Oh yeah, great, completely

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<v Speaker 1>insufferable today. Now just stay away, okay, completely insufferable wolverine

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<v Speaker 1>to stay very far away from him because that March

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<v Speaker 1>Madness ended up with larryo connor with a head the

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<v Speaker 1>size of the Hindenburg. John Ashbrook, So the Ruthless Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>always good to see you. Follow him on exit, John Ashbrook,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the Ruthless Podcast, especially tomorrow. Duncan will be back.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll hear what he has to say about being being

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<v Speaker 1>accused kinda of being the naked burglar in northern Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>he assures us. But I don't know. Stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 7>No man's words.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to America, Hugh hewittt we are two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half hours, three and a half hours away from

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<v Speaker 1>the deadline that President Trump is given to Ron four

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<v Speaker 1>and a half hours away from the deadline. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to take this opportunity to let you know about a

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<v Speaker 1>resurrection many years. The show has been on the air

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty five in almost three quarters a year our

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary of July ten, and Dwayne Patterson has been the producer. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not the producer. He's been around for the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>He hadn't been producing much, but he's been around the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time. One of the things things he did do

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<v Speaker 1>is he started an after show after my when it

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<v Speaker 1>was just radio, when it wasn't television and radio and podcasting.

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<v Speaker 1>When it's just a radio show, Dwayne would hang around

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<v Speaker 1>with the drunks that we call the Tribles and they

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<v Speaker 1>would talk for an hour afterwards a couple times a week.

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<v Speaker 1>That went away when we added the sale new channel

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<v Speaker 1>and turned out Dwayne's Tribles drank him more heavily. So

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<v Speaker 1>as an act of public health, we have asked Dwayne

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<v Speaker 1>to come back and bring back Dwayne's World to the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you join the Universe on Tuesdays and Thursdays,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to get extra Dwayne and Dwyane. What were

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<v Speaker 1>the Dwayne's World in the place of the after show

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<v Speaker 1>be like going forward?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it will basically be the Dwayne's World podcast that

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<v Speaker 8>has been pretty widely received in the public sphere.

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<v Speaker 9>But one of the things I can do behind the

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<v Speaker 9>paywall is I can do a lot more music. I

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<v Speaker 9>can do a lot more movie references. We can be sillier.

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<v Speaker 9>It's more of a clubhouse environment.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot telling me and are there drunks coming back?

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<v Speaker 8>There is a live element. There's a chat room so

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<v Speaker 8>that people can have live interaction. I can take calls

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<v Speaker 8>from time to time on a live show versus versus

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<v Speaker 8>one that we'd tape twice a week and it appears

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<v Speaker 8>the next morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Plaine, when we started this and you started the

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<v Speaker 1>after show, marijuana wasn't legal everywhere. Now we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>Major Bob Stone.

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<v Speaker 9>Major Bob does a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 8>He may have consumed an adult beverage or a thousand

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<v Speaker 8>in his lifetime, yes, but I.

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<v Speaker 9>Don't think he does do I don't think he does dope.

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<v Speaker 9>And I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 8>Major Bob is surging with pride because he's retired Air Force,

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<v Speaker 8>so after the events of last week.

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<v Speaker 9>He is just he is just you know, beside himself right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, now, can you take calls in the After Show.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, you can join the universe over pretty

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<v Speaker 1>hard to miss. On the left, you see me and Dwayne.

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<v Speaker 1>On the right, you see the universe that says joined.

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<v Speaker 9>It's like ninety nine cents for the first month, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean the first month. Give it a shot, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing this Tuesdays and Thursday nights.

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<v Speaker 8>Right Tuesdays and Thursdays, Jim Talent will be here. And

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<v Speaker 8>the really cool thing about this relaunch today at four

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<v Speaker 8>pm Pacific, seven pm Eastern is Jim Talent and I

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<v Speaker 8>who know you for Jim Talent in this show a

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<v Speaker 8>thousand times as well. He has forgotten more about national

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<v Speaker 8>security and defense and foreign policy than a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>people will ever know. And we are going to be

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<v Speaker 8>on the air behind the paywall for the last hour

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<v Speaker 8>of what could be the last hour of the Iranian

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<v Speaker 8>regime as we know it. If this deadline is what

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<v Speaker 8>Donald Trump has promised, We're going to be basically counting

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<v Speaker 8>you down to zero hour. If there is a deal,

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<v Speaker 8>if they cave, if a white flag emerges from Tayrn,

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<v Speaker 8>it'll happen during that last hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, plan, I'm a mind about the relaunch of the

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<v Speaker 1>After Show Flash Dwayne's World.

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<v Speaker 9>We're calling that because we're calling Dwayne's World Dwaine's World.

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<v Speaker 1>The after Show. I got to tell the Triples they're drunk,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that. They got to know it's the after show.

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<v Speaker 1>And and so I want them to understand Dwayne's World

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<v Speaker 1>is coming back to the universe, and it's three branded

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<v Speaker 1>and three launched. But already today I had to chisel

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<v Speaker 1>out of him. He was storing away the good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It was hiding clips in his pocket. I had to

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<v Speaker 1>go get one of the clips out of Michael. Fake

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<v Speaker 1>news not fake news. I just want people to know

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only downside. But you will love Dwayne's World.

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<v Speaker 1>inside the Beltway waiting for eight pm tonight. Although Admiral

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper announced earlier today hundreds of one way drones launched,

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<v Speaker 1>it targets all across Iran and so and Fridget's blown

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<v Speaker 1>up in the airport. Hit. Lots of stuff going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't quite know about Harmini two point zero

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<v Speaker 1>are leaking out, stay tuned on Hugh Hewitt. I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>News Channel. Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett inside

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<v Speaker 1>the Beltway. David Drucker is on assignment in Indiana. But David,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you're watching with great interest the approach of

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<v Speaker 1>the a PM deadline. I should let you know be

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two have taken off from Air Force bases that

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<v Speaker 1>take some time to get to Iran, and Admiral Cooper

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<v Speaker 1>said hundreds of one way drones have already been dispatched

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<v Speaker 1>against Iran and targets today doesn't look like the escalation

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<v Speaker 1>to me. What do you hear? Well?

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, I think the question is will the President

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<v Speaker 10>be pleased enough with the pace of negotiations or will

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<v Speaker 10>he want to find an off ramp that he can

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<v Speaker 10>describe as the pace of negotiations are moving satisfactory to

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<v Speaker 10>what I want out of Iran to forestall whatever this

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<v Speaker 10>massive hit will otherwise be. And I and I kind

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<v Speaker 10>of counch it that way, because you know, I think

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<v Speaker 10>what we've learned over the years is that the Iranian regime,

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<v Speaker 10>and I think what's left of it in their own

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<v Speaker 10>way their true believers, and they're messianic and and you know,

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<v Speaker 10>I think for them, it's all about maintaining the regime.

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<v Speaker 10>And the minute you capitulate to the Americans, you're not

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<v Speaker 10>maintaining the regime.

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<v Speaker 11>And the regime is in deep trouble.

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<v Speaker 10>And they have shown so far to do They've shown

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<v Speaker 10>themselves so far to do in a sense, everything that

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<v Speaker 10>we wouldn't do if we were the right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the chief political correspondent for the Dispatch. Dispatch very

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<v Speaker 1>talented team. I listened to for example, Sarah is hearing

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<v Speaker 1>David French talking about the birthright citizenship action at the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court. You've got Steven Hayes Jonah over There is

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<v Speaker 1>there ever an editorial call about where everyone gets on

0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and talks about stuff, because I'm just curious what the

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<v Speaker 1>opinion at the Dispatch is about eight o'clock tonight.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I mean, yeah, we get we actually we have

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<v Speaker 10>an editorial call every Tuesday, right, and we talk about

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<v Speaker 10>some of the biggest items in the news, how we

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<v Speaker 10>may want to approach it, what we're thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 10>and we're all on standby for this evening at eight pm,

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<v Speaker 10>and we're just sort of aware that things may happen

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<v Speaker 10>and we may have something to say about it, something

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<v Speaker 10>to write about it. So there's a possibility of a

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<v Speaker 10>dispatch live, which we you know, stream on the evenings

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<v Speaker 10>of major events like the State of the Union, and

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<v Speaker 10>like I think right after the Iran War began in

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<v Speaker 10>late February, we had a dispatch live.

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<v Speaker 11>So we are on standby and we were watching this.

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<v Speaker 1>So the President's tweet today again, I want to read

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<v Speaker 1>it in its entirety. A whole civilization will die tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>never to be brought back again. I don't want that

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we

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<v Speaker 1>have complete and total regime change, we're different, smarter and

0:27:55.920 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>less radicalized minds prevail. Maybe something revolutionarily wonderful. What can happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows? In caps we will find out tonight one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most important moments in the long and complex

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<v Speaker 1>history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion, corruption

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<v Speaker 1>and death will finally end. God bless the great people

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<v Speaker 1>of Iran. Now, when you read the entire thing, he

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<v Speaker 1>is not talking about total war. He's talking about destroying

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<v Speaker 1>the regime. Nevertheless, the reaction, I'm sure you've seen it

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<v Speaker 1>all day is though he called for war crimes.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, but he didn't.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, but that's because of the language he uses, right,

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, he talks about striking Iran with overwhelming force

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<v Speaker 10>and destroying the word he uses a civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 10>I know there's a lot of Trump being Trump. Trump

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<v Speaker 10>just says these things, but he really means this thing.

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<v Speaker 10>But I think people reacting to the words he uses,

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<v Speaker 10>and for any other president, we would be judging him

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<v Speaker 10>by the words he uses and wouldn't even be having

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<v Speaker 10>the discussion about, well he means something else. I think

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<v Speaker 10>for a lot of people he means what he says,

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<v Speaker 10>and for other people it's you femisms and you know,

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<v Speaker 10>figures of speech to try and prove a point.

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<v Speaker 11>So you know, pick your fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>Dath Sarah, which he thinks about this because lawyers read

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<v Speaker 1>the whole documents, especially originalists, and I can't believe you

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<v Speaker 1>can read the last line, God bless the great people

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<v Speaker 1>of Iran and think that he wants a war crime

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<v Speaker 1>tonight He's going to hit dual use things.

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<v Speaker 10>Now, I'm not saying in his mind. I'm not saying

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 10>in his mind he wants a war crime. But Trump

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 10>is very good at this. He says five different things

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<v Speaker 10>that can legitimately be heard five different ways by five

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<v Speaker 10>different people. And it's not necessarily my job to the

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<v Speaker 10>least defensive one. It's not necessarily my job to pick

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<v Speaker 10>the most defensive one.

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<v Speaker 1>So you tell me, I read the whole thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I tell people what I think, which is I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's aiming to destroy the regime. Okay, Barack Revine,

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister of Pakistan Sharif. Diplomatic efforts for peaceful settlement

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<v Speaker 1>of the ongoing war in Middle East are progressing steadily,

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<v Speaker 1>strongly and powerfully, with the potential lead to substantive results

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<v Speaker 1>in the near future to allow to to run its course.

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<v Speaker 1>I earnestly request President Trump to extend the deadline for

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks. Do you think he will?

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<v Speaker 11>I think it's very possible he will.

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<v Speaker 10>I think Trump likes to use maximalist language to push

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 10>things along in a way in which he can declare

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 10>victory even if we don't really have a substantive development.

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<v Speaker 10>And I think he's done that in a whole host

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<v Speaker 10>of diplomatic and domestic negotiations, and so it wouldn't surprise

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<v Speaker 10>me at all if we don't have an announcement that

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<v Speaker 10>the Irani regime has delivered as the president is ass

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<v Speaker 10>but that negotiates our negotiations. Excuse me, our proceeding a

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<v Speaker 10>pace such that he's going to give this more time

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<v Speaker 10>to play out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Pakistan is not among our closest allies. They were

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<v Speaker 1>never particularly helpful with the Taliban. They allowed the Taliban

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<v Speaker 1>to cross the border. Are we very trusting of the

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Pakistani government as a mediator?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I hope, I hope not.

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<v Speaker 10>But sometimes in certain situations you use different mediators. I mean,

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<v Speaker 10>I think all presidents and all administrations have done that,

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<v Speaker 10>occasionally done the unorthodox. But I agree you don't want

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 10>to trust Pakistan. They have ulterior motives, but you know

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 10>they are in the neighborhood and they do have a

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<v Speaker 10>vested interest in stability in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Crude oil up to one hundred and thirteen

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>dollars at barrel? What are you paying for it for gas?

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<v Speaker 1>In Indiana? David Drucker.

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<v Speaker 11>Four plus.

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 10>I saw it at four to twenty as I was

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 10>driving between Columbus and Franklin. And we'll see what it

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 10>looks like tomorrow as I had through Indianapolis and to

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 10>parts north. I'm paying close to five bucks in DC.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody in California who's right now there, and from San

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Francisco to La down to San Diego out in the

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Central Valley, they're all at six and a half to

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>seven dollars a gallon. So they're not feeling for you,

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>David in Indiana. But not a good political situation, last

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>minute for you, right, you got to bring that down

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<v Speaker 1>before June.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, it's helpful because opinions start to solidify around June.

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<v Speaker 10>That's the old Mitch McConnell rule that I often deploy.

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<v Speaker 10>But particularly you want things to be relaxed by Labor Day.

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<v Speaker 10>I've just written about this for Bloomberg Opinion. Gas tends

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 10>to go up like a rocket and calms down extremely slowly.

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 10>I think we're going to be dealing with high gas

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 10>prices into the beginning of the fall, at least late summer.

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 10>That's according to the experts that I've talked to. That's

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 10>going to make things politically difficult. But they're already politically

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 10>difficult for Republicans in Congress, all right, David M.

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<v Speaker 1>Drucker follow him on X read them at the Dispatch

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the special report Brett Bear America's Ankerman Brett, welcome. I

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<v Speaker 1>have already played your report of your call with the

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>President this morning from earlier today on the Fox News channel.

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>But give us a little bit of it, more of

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>a blow by blow. Were you at home, were you

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<v Speaker 1>at the studio already?

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<v Speaker 12>I was on my way to the studio and just

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<v Speaker 12>got the call and chatted for you know, probably the

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<v Speaker 12>fifteen minutes or so. You know, he's pretty resolute and

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 12>I took away from the call that you know, he

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<v Speaker 12>was pretty firm on that deadline.

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<v Speaker 7>He had not.

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<v Speaker 12>Been aware of the specifics that were moving the needle

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<v Speaker 12>negotiation wise. Now that said, just in the past few minutes,

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<v Speaker 12>Jackie Hindrick got off the phone, and there is the

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<v Speaker 12>Runians have moved a proposal and they are in what

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 12>the President described as he did negotiations. And that's what

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 12>he told Jackie just five minutes ago. So you know

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<v Speaker 12>where this goes ahead of APM Eastern time, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 12>but the earlier call, he was pretty resolute that it

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<v Speaker 12>was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Right in the interim from the time he talked to him.

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<v Speaker 1>B fifty twos have taken off from bases in Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>Admiral Cooper tells US hundreds of one way drones have

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<v Speaker 1>been launched the Israelis and bomb railroads. I think it's

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>going to be the most intense night of the war,

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>but there is still intense and devastating. Did the President

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<v Speaker 1>talk with you about the language of his posts this

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<v Speaker 1>morning and the blowback that it's caused. I don't think

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 1>it's deserved, but it's been real blowback.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, it's real blowback. And you know how it's perceived

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 12>the fact that a lot of people went all the

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 12>way to nuclear weapons and you know, a tactical nuke

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:33.319
<v Speaker 12>being used. That's not happening. Uh. And you know, I

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:37.759
<v Speaker 12>didn't go down that road about the criticism. He was

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 12>kind of talking about what's what's to come, and you know,

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.919
<v Speaker 12>I think he's seen the target list and I think,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, he kind of foreshadowed it at the news conference.

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<v Speaker 7>The other day.

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<v Speaker 12>It would be devastating and not only to the running regime,

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 12>but obviously to the running people too, And that's that's

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 12>where that's where some of the issue is. And you

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 12>don't want to harm the people that eventually are going

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<v Speaker 12>to take over that government at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Brett, I'll be on tonight on the panel with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll know more by that point. But I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if your sources have developed any kind of sense of

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the command bunker that the B two's hit in the

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 1>middle of the extraordinary rescue operation. We still don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any news on who was in there, if anyone of importance.

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<v Speaker 7>No, we don't.

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 12>We do know that before that that a key intelligence

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 12>official was taken out, but there was a meeting at

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 12>an I urgency command center that was taken out by

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 12>that moab bomb. And you know that's significant because it

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.360
<v Speaker 12>can go deep. And so it took out that bunker,

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:54.240
<v Speaker 12>and whoever was in there, we're told did not survive.

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:57.879
<v Speaker 12>So we don't have a list, but the names keep

0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 12>on ticking up.

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>So depending on for so long, I'm always more and

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>more impressed by General Kane every time he talked. But

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 1>you could see him flinch when the President started talking

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>about the details of the raid. He'd rather not talk

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:11.880
<v Speaker 1>about anything about.

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 12>The raid, and we wanted to keep that secret. And

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 12>you know, I think they they're really sensitive about some

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 12>of that stuff. I mean, you know they may have

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 12>to use those tactics again, God forbid, if another another

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 12>plane goes down, or if something happens, that search and

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 12>rescue kind of blueprint is used, and they want to

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 12>keep tactics in a secret.

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>So Brett, one question I have coming out of that

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 1>weekend of miracles, A heat seeking missile hit an F fifteen.

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think they had the capacity left. Has anyone

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 1>answered that to your satisfaction yet? No?

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 12>And I don't think they got the question effectively at

0:36:55.760 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 12>the White House press conference. You know, they kind of

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 12>say that they got lucky and that it got sucked

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 12>up in the in the heat signature of the of

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 12>the engine, but they still shot it down. And so

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:19.240
<v Speaker 12>you know, the obliterated missile system. Either they got lucky

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.879
<v Speaker 12>or they have a lot more. And I think it's

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 12>somewhere in between the two.

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now to today's events. Carg Island was hit again today.

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Apparently only military targets is there? Those are the effect

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>from Jennifer, from anyone that the Iranian i RGC or

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the arteche is reinforcing CARG.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I think that's why they're laying the groundwork for

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 12>what may come. You know, we saw today out of

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 12>Irun a lot of human chains around infrastructure. These are

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 12>regime loyalists and their families with women and children, and

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 12>signs around electrical facilities, around military bunkers, and there was

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 12>we're told a resupply of defenses on KRG where they

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 12>went back. They've already done one round of strikes on

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 12>that island, which again is ninety percent of Iran's oil

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 12>capacity through that place.

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm glad you brought that up because the

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>talk of war crimes today, Hitting a bridge is not

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a war crime, hitting a power plant is not a wartime.

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:35.320
<v Speaker 1>If there's dual use, using civilians to shield military infrastructure

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.760
<v Speaker 1>is a war crime. Hamasts for a year and a half,

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I have not heard that commented on yet, but I

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.240
<v Speaker 1>am correct about that, right, you are correct.

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, And you know they're saying they're surrounding civilian facilities.

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 12>But obviously there's other you know, uses for a lot

0:38:55.760 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 12>of these things, including the nuclear bunkers where we believe

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 12>that Isbahan is the place that stored the highly enricheranium.

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 1>All right to your final questions, was the president's mood

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>a brilliant somber? How would you characterize it.

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 12>He's fired up, he seemed energized, he's he was engaged,

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:27.840
<v Speaker 12>and you know, not not somber. He knows it's daunting,

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 12>at least he talks about that, but he believes that

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 12>this pressure he's hoping is going to lead to a

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 12>big negotiation. And if not, he seems resolute. So I

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 12>would say firm, but not not somber.

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:51.439
<v Speaker 1>Now, last question. The president often has sidebars. Did Pam

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>BONDI or the Master? Is there anything else come up?

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<v Speaker 12>No? No, it was a pretty you know, strict call.

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 12>I was trying to get as much information as I

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 12>could while I had his hear well.

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I look forward to seeing you tonight, Brett, and already

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>played your report. I replayed again before we get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Brett Behar, anchor of Special Report every night at six

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 1>America's anchorman. Thank you, Brett. Welcome back in America. I'm

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hewett. If you're just joining us on the Salem

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 1>New Channel, Salem Radio Network, any of our great radio affiliates,

0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 1>be fifty two bombers are in the air, having left Britain.

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a seven hour trip to Iran. They'll arrive there

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.240
<v Speaker 1>around eight pm tonight. The president of Pakistan has asked

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>for a two week extension. He's appealed to the president

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>to hold off. I just talked to Brett Bher talked

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to the president earlier today. Does not seem at all

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>intent on backing up of his deadline. And now I'm

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 1>joined by Bethany Mandel, Mom Moores co founder. All I

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>have to do is go to themomwars dot substack dot com. Bethany,

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 1>what do you make of the deadline? Wow?

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 13>So I actually was just recording my podcast and did

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<v Speaker 13>not hear that updates.

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<v Speaker 14>That is very interesting.

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 13>I think that the president is very good at keeping

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 13>his word, and that is something that makes him very

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 13>powerful when he goes into a negotiation, because you know

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 13>that when he says something, he means and it's you know,

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 13>you want to rewind to what the Obama administration said

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 13>with their redline in Syria, you knew that they never

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 13>meant it. With President Trump, he's just crazy enough that

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 13>he might be telling the truth always.

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:29.919
<v Speaker 1>Now he posted earlier today, and I'm sure I will

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>hear the commentary. Quintet denounced this tomorrow because it's not

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>in keeping with their vibe. A whole civilization will die tonight,

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 1>never to be brought back again. I don't want that

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 1>to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>have complete and total regime change, where different, smarter and

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen.

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Who knows. We will find out tonight one of the

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 1>most important moments in the long and complex history of

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.439
<v Speaker 1>the world. Forty seven years of extortion, corruption and death

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 1>will finally end. God, I'd bless the great people of Iran.

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Now the left is reading the first line and denouncing Trump.

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm reading the whole post and concluding it's aimed at

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:14.279
<v Speaker 1>the Iranian government to impress upon them they will be

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 1>destroyed if they do not concede the major points. How

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 1>do you react to that post?

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 13>I hear Selena Selena Zito's voice in my head. Take

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:29.919
<v Speaker 13>him seriously, but not literally. I can't believe she said

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.280
<v Speaker 13>it ten years ago and we're still learning this lesson.

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.880
<v Speaker 14>It's a negotiation tactic. This he does this all the time.

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:41.240
<v Speaker 13>He goes to an eleven always, and then he's negotiated

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:45.239
<v Speaker 13>back four steps and he's he's at five. Whereas the

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 13>Obama ministration would go to A two and they'd negotiate

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 13>them to a one. This is President Trump won a one.

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 13>I'm not horrified by it. I'm honestly a little amused

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 13>by it because it plays the same pattern that we've

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 13>seen him do over and over and over, and it's effective,

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 13>and they're going.

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 1>To translate it into PARESI and not know what to do.

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Bethanie I, I really am amazed that people, after eleven years,

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 1>they still don't get Donald Trump. You just summarized how

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 1>he does this, and they still don't get it. And

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I think part of that is aesthetic and part of

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.400
<v Speaker 1>it is ideological. But it doesn't matter to me. I've

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>been doing this show for twenty six years almost I

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 1>have been consistently a foe of striking Iranian nuclear undertaking.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 1>If Obama had done it wouldn't be that hard right now.

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>If w had gone from Iraqan to Iran, it wouldn't

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 1>have been that hard right now. If Clinton hadn't caved

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>in North Korea, you wouldn't have set up this. I

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 1>think this is at the end of a very long

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 1>road which expands back to Jimmy Carter and not dealing

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 1>with this problem, which is metastatic.

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 14>Yeah.

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 13>And what's funny is so I'm on my computer right

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:56.360
<v Speaker 13>now and I see my text messages pop up, and

0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 13>I just saw a message that my friend her neighbors

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 13>invited her over to a civilization is ending dinner tonight.

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 13>They're all hysterical, and it's funny to me because they're

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:13.120
<v Speaker 13>viewing President Trump as the existential threat to civilization and society.

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:16.719
<v Speaker 13>My doomsday back clock is not ticking any faster today

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:21.720
<v Speaker 13>than it was yesterday, but it's they're treating the threat

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 13>as Trump instead of Iran, which it always has.

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Been to they understand. I had Ambassador or on yesterday,

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and I've been following the times of visual fairly closely.

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I know you have friends in Jerusalem and in Tel Aviv.

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:38.280
<v Speaker 1>The barrages have been an ending from Hesbalalah. It's dozens

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>and dozens and dozen, and Ambassadora never complains, but he's weary.

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 1>He's very as all of Israel must be. And this

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 1>is the access of resistance. It's not Trump who built

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:51.840
<v Speaker 1>the access of resistance.

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 13>No, my friends are exhausted to their bones. They have

0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:59.239
<v Speaker 13>been woken up two or three times a night. It

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 13>was funny, I texted one of my friends yesterday in Israel.

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 13>He is in modi En and I texted him and

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 13>I said, are you awake right now? Because it was

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 13>one o'clock in the morning his time, and I put

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 13>in parentheses, maybe the Iranians woke you up? And he

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 13>responded to me three hours later, Yes they did. It's

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 13>four am, and I'm up.

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 14>What's up?

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 13>This is the life they're living and it's not sustainable

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 13>and the only way to take this out is to

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 13>take out Iran and take out Hesbla. And they're they're joined.

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 14>At the hip.

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Now. I have read that the idea FS advanced to

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the Latani. They have taken the high ground south of

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 1>the Latani so that the anti tank missiles cannot hit

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.879
<v Speaker 1>Galilee anymore. Have you seen that confirmed? But I don't

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>know if you have friends in the north, do you.

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:44.800
<v Speaker 13>I don't not that far north, and so many people

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 13>have left the North that even if they did normally

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 13>live there. I have friends who lived in that region

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 13>and they're vacationing right now near Gaza, actually because it's

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.840
<v Speaker 13>it's calmer and more pleasant near Gaza.

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:00.200
<v Speaker 14>Right now, well, you know.

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I think I'll be long retired and maybe in my

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:06.879
<v Speaker 1>reward before the idea leaves Lebanon this time, I'm really

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 1>really sort of resigned to that. Do you agree with

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 1>my assessment?

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:16.239
<v Speaker 13>Unfortunately, probably unless something drastic happens, which you know has

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 13>happened every thirty seconds for the last five years. Something

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 13>drastic happens, so you know, anything's possible.

0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:26.720
<v Speaker 1>And I've got check on net and Yahoo and his base.

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>How do you assess it? From here?

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 13>I try not to opine on Israeli politics because I

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 13>don't want to understand it.

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 14>They're all so crazy over there.

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 13>My read on it is no one seems to like

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 13>him very much, and that hasn't really changed, but he's

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.760
<v Speaker 13>still there. He's got the staying power of a cockroach.

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:49.719
<v Speaker 13>And I don't say that in a nasty way. I

0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 13>personally don't really care either way, but nothing really is

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:53.600
<v Speaker 13>going to get rid of that man.

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I agree he is as John pod Or, it's like

0:46:56.880 --> 0:47:00.840
<v Speaker 1>to say, the preeminent politician of our time, Anthony Mandel.

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Follow her on exit, Bethany Shandark go to the mom

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Wars dot substack dot com. Welcome back to America. I'm

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hewitt. A couple of updates. The president has told

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the press through Carolyn Levitt that he's considering the proposal.

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Via the President of Pakistan and the exile of Crown

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Prince of Iran raised up Alav has called on the

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 1>army to rise up against the IRGC. I'm joined now

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 1>by Byron Yorky of Fox News, contributor of Fame and

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.879
<v Speaker 1>lead correspondent for The Washington Examiner. Byron, I know you're

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 1>not in the prediction business, You're in the analysis business.

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 1>What'd you make of the President's post this morning and

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the reaction there too?

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 7>Well, I thought it was a pretty stunning post. I

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.000
<v Speaker 7>have to tell you. Uh it was. You know, I

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 7>understood the you know a lot of people's objections to

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 7>the Eastern Morning post was really just on the sort

0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 7>of propriety of it. You know, why would you do

0:47:57.960 --> 0:47:58.920
<v Speaker 7>this on Eastern Morning?

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<v Speaker 10>Uh?

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<v Speaker 7>But today, you know, a whole civilization will die tonight,

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 7>never to be brought back again. Don't want it to happen,

0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.360
<v Speaker 7>but it probably will. You know, that was kind of

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 7>a stunning.

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 1>And then it's been going on for forty seven years.

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 1>God bless the Iranian people. I really like a.

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 7>Lawyer, you you know, to say it's been going on

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:24.760
<v Speaker 7>forty seven years. The entire presidency of Ronald Reagan passed

0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 7>during this time when Iran was at war with the

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:32.800
<v Speaker 7>United States. Okay, the entire presidency with George H. W. Bush,

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<v Speaker 7>of Bill Clinton, of George W.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, all of these presidents past, and they did

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<v Speaker 7>not go to war over this with Iran. And so

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<v Speaker 7>I mean to suggest, I think that this is absolutely

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 7>urgent matter that's been waiting forty seven years and has

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.239
<v Speaker 7>to happen tonight is probably I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want to complain to think I'm saying that the

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 1>post is qualified by the ending, that the beginning of

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.719
<v Speaker 1>the post is qualified by the ending of the year

0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 1>of the post. He puts forty seven years.

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<v Speaker 7>Actually that I don't know. It depends on what you

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:04.600
<v Speaker 7>mean by civilization. Maybe right, But you know, you have

0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:06.799
<v Speaker 7>to remember what was the goal. The goal is to

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:11.759
<v Speaker 7>keep or Ran from having a nuclear weapon, and that goal,

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 7>to my knowledge, has already been achieved for some significant

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 7>period of time into the future. And I do not

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:19.600
<v Speaker 7>believe anything can be done forever.

0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:26.799
<v Speaker 1>But I believe that the relevant precedent for US is

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 1>what happened with North Korea. It was too early, It

0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:31.759
<v Speaker 1>was too early it was too early. It was too early,

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and then it was too late because they assembled the

0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.680
<v Speaker 1>necessary conventional forces that could have destroyed Soul, so we

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:41.160
<v Speaker 1>could not attack their nuclear weapons program. And so all

0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.719
<v Speaker 1>those presidents you mentioned, they all said Iran couldn't have

0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:47.280
<v Speaker 1>a nuclear weapon. Well, now we've gone after their nuclear

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:51.440
<v Speaker 1>capacity once one time, one strike, they began to rebuild it. Again,

0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:53.920
<v Speaker 1>we went after it a second time, and they closed

0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 1>the straight to where moved, so they escalated. We have

0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:58.759
<v Speaker 1>to control the ladder of escalation. I don't see an alternative.

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 7>Well, what happens when you get to the top of

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 7>the ladder of escalation.

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:09.880
<v Speaker 1>You continue to run what Clinton ran over Iraq for

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:12.560
<v Speaker 1>ten years, a no fly zone in which George HW.

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Bush continued George H. W Bush began and Bill Clinton continued,

0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:20.799
<v Speaker 1>a ten year no fly zone that strikes everything that

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:24.560
<v Speaker 1>could be part of reconstituted. But they've got to open

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the strait. Now, this can end tonight at seven point thirty.

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:31.400
<v Speaker 1>If they say Straight's open, we get they control the

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:32.320
<v Speaker 1>ladder of escalation.

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 7>Well, the Strait was not an issue prior to this

0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 7>invasion or this attack. The first US Israeli attack, was it?

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was because they've whatever power that they are

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:48.359
<v Speaker 1>now demonstrating, they have always possessed. What they have done

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.759
<v Speaker 1>is revealed the world what they will do, which is

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>attack fourteen countries in a fanatic, religious, lunatic way. And

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:59.160
<v Speaker 1>they were beginning to rebuild what had been obliterated a

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 1>year ago. What was the president supposed to do? Let

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 1>them rebuild it?

0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 7>No, the whole point is to keep Iran from getting

0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 7>a nuclear weapon, correct, which the world has successfully done

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 7>up to this point and can continue to do up

0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 7>to this point without destroying any civilizations.

0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're not going to destroy the Irion civilization. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's even possible to read that post

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and read it as other than intended for the regime

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to mean. I mean business. I will destroy the bridges

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and the power plants, which by the way, is not

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.320
<v Speaker 1>a war crime. Anyone who ever seen the bridges tooko

0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.960
<v Speaker 1>re or the bridge over the river. Bridges are targets,

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 1>so are power plants. So what do you think he's

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:44.759
<v Speaker 1>going to do. I think he's going to bomb me

0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 1>around tonight unless they open the straight unqualifiedly immediately.

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 7>Well, as I said, you know, the post on Sunday

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 7>power Plant, which specifically talked about bridges and power plants.

0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:58.319
<v Speaker 7>I think most of the opposition to that was just

0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:01.279
<v Speaker 7>in terms of the quorum. Yes, but it wasn't, at

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 7>least mine wasn't the substance of it. I thought it

0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:06.359
<v Speaker 7>wasn't the greatest Eastern message in the world, but you know,

0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 7>it wasn't the substance of it. What does Trump do?

0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:12.040
<v Speaker 7>I mean, you know, we're having another one of these

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:15.840
<v Speaker 7>sort of wait for the exciting conclusion of tonight's episode

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 7>issues where they're talking now about some sort of deal.

0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:23.520
<v Speaker 7>Could there be some sort of deal? The Pakistani minister

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.399
<v Speaker 7>has a plan for a ceasefire, and the President says

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:28.839
<v Speaker 7>he'll look at it. You know what's going on. So

0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:34.279
<v Speaker 7>my guess is you don't see an attack tonight. But

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't bet on it. I wouldn't bet in either way.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if they capitulate, it will be the greatest

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 1>foreign policy success. The United States is the chief since

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:48.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty nine, and that includes the fall of Saddam

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>because we didn't secure the country afterward, and we will

0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 1>not have done it with boots on the ground. I'm

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:58.719
<v Speaker 1>not a big favor of regime democracy planting anymore. But

0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I do believe this is necessari because I cannot imagine

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 1>my grandchildren living with iron with sixty percent and rich

0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 1>uranium a week away from breakout. They're crazy. I'll give

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you the last word.

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:14.839
<v Speaker 7>Buy well here in there are bad regimes in the world.

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 7>There are crazy regimes in the world. You have to

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:22.319
<v Speaker 7>control them. And up until now we have met, even

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 7>with the terrible mistake, let's call it the mistake of

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 7>Barack Obama, we have managed to keep the West has

0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:33.239
<v Speaker 7>managed to keep Iran away from a nuclear missile. The

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:36.880
<v Speaker 7>point is to make sure they don't have nuclear weapons.

0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 7>Keep doing that. At the president's press conference yesterday with

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:45.560
<v Speaker 7>General Cain and Hegseth and Ratcliff, he said, people.

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 12>Keep asking me, why are you going to do this?

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:47.959
<v Speaker 7>Why are you got to do this? And I said

0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:51.319
<v Speaker 7>Iran cannot be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. That

0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:53.280
<v Speaker 7>is the fundamental goal here.

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And I agree. And he said that many, many, many times.

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:00.480
<v Speaker 1>He repeats the manger message again in a and again

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:05.360
<v Speaker 1>and again. But now the subsidiary message is stop screwing

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 1>with your neighbors who are not combatants and open the strait.

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:14.240
<v Speaker 1>And they're pirates. They're lunatics, but we will see tonight.

0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Byron York. Always go to talk to you. Fall him

0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:19.400
<v Speaker 1>on Exit Byron York, read him in the Washington Examiner,

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and see him on Fox News. Don't go anywhere, America.

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:24.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming right back. Lilax is coming up, and then

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm gona just take a break from Iran because we

0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:31.240
<v Speaker 1>got countdown talk. John Coleman, lead contribute to Harvard Business Review,

0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:34.680
<v Speaker 1>has written a new book, Good Money, and Good Money

0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:37.919
<v Speaker 1>is about the right way to approach thinking about money.

0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought we'd take a break from Iran all the

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 1>time around the time, so I will continue to bring

0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:45.319
<v Speaker 1>you updates as necessary. Don't go anywhere, stay soon. I'll

0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:47.480
<v Speaker 1>be right back. I'm the hugeish.

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 7>Place speaking of foreign land with weapons and every hand.

0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh youwett morning Glory and

0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:56.920
<v Speaker 1>eating grace. I am playing on for the love of

0:54:56.960 --> 0:55:00.279
<v Speaker 1>America because it was originally brought to my attention by

0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:04.600
<v Speaker 1>my guest James Lilacs, probably twenty four years ago, after

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:07.480
<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven, maybe twenty three years ago. Is that

0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:11.200
<v Speaker 1>when you first introduced me to that, James, I think that.

0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Was about it.

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 15>Yes, right after the war we were gearing up. We

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:16.080
<v Speaker 15>felt like we were back in a World War two

0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:17.840
<v Speaker 15>sort of ethos. But we wondered if we had the

0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:20.320
<v Speaker 15>will of the means, And that song was a reminder

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:22.279
<v Speaker 15>of a time when they also wondered if they had

0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 15>the will of the means, but bucked themselves up with

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:25.680
<v Speaker 15>good patriotic songs.

0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:29.680
<v Speaker 1>So we are three hours away from the deadline, a

0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:32.640
<v Speaker 1>little bit less than three hours at eight pm. B

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:37.239
<v Speaker 1>fifty two's are said to have taken off from England.

0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:39.760
<v Speaker 1>It's about the flight time would get them there around

0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 1>eight o'clock. I want everyone who didn't hear the first

0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 1>two hours to hear one thing. It is not a

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:48.080
<v Speaker 1>war crime to hit bridges or power plants. If those

0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 1>bridges are power plants, support your enemies political regime and

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:56.000
<v Speaker 1>military outfit. But boy at the left lost its mind. James,

0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:58.360
<v Speaker 1>have you been following this today?

0:55:59.160 --> 0:55:59.319
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:01.719
<v Speaker 15>I have, and I think part of the reason is

0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:05.239
<v Speaker 15>that that was really an extraordinary tweet. That was a

0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:06.920
<v Speaker 15>tweet for the ages, and I assume that you've been

0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:08.640
<v Speaker 15>talking about it for the last couple of hours. A

0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:13.080
<v Speaker 15>whole civilization will die tonight, that you know, that's that

0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:17.359
<v Speaker 15>is the meanest I think of the mean tweets for

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:21.759
<v Speaker 15>which Donald Trump has been accused of making. I'm not

0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:23.840
<v Speaker 15>sure what that means. I mean, does he mean the regime?

0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:26.439
<v Speaker 15>Does he re mean that? Does he mean the civilization

0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:31.200
<v Speaker 15>of Islamic oppression over Iran? Because it sounds like, sorry, Persia,

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 15>ye had a nice long.

0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Run, but it's over tonight.

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 15>I don't know what exactly that means, although I do

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:40.960
<v Speaker 15>love that when he says, maybe there'll be something revolutionarily,

0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:43.600
<v Speaker 15>which is actually a word. See he can make that up.

0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:47.759
<v Speaker 15>He says, who knows, which is I sort the sort

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:51.040
<v Speaker 15>of strategic ambiguity. I think that we enjoy the situations, like.

0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:56.080
<v Speaker 1>The exact language because he at the end of it

0:56:56.560 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 1>he said, and God bless the Iranian people. It was

0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:05.359
<v Speaker 1>a classic Trump You know, when he's talking about Iranian civilization,

0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I think he's talking about the IRGC and the artache,

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 1>not destroying Persia and laying waste to it the way

0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:16.600
<v Speaker 1>we did to Tokyo or the bridge did to Hamburg

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 1>and other plays. We're not doing carpet bombing.

0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:20.080
<v Speaker 3>We're not doing that.

0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:21.920
<v Speaker 15>No, no, we're not. We're not We're not going to

0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:25.520
<v Speaker 15>reduce Tehran to ashes. I mean, what remains to be hit.

0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:26.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:28.040
<v Speaker 15>I mean from what I've been hearing and reading, there

0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:31.000
<v Speaker 15>are all these underground cities we collapsed, the entrances, they

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:33.320
<v Speaker 15>get the construction cruise, they open them up again, They

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 15>haul out three or four missiles, and on and on

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:37.600
<v Speaker 15>our dose. I assume that they have a list of

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:42.800
<v Speaker 15>targets which will be strategically crucial for anybody to keep going.

0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 3>Power, of course is handy and necessary.

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 15>But what I love when people were saying, well, and

0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 15>of course after Trump made that statement to the Iridians

0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:50.919
<v Speaker 15>immediately broke off negotiations.

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:53.640
<v Speaker 3>Who do you think, I don't know who we're talking to.

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:55.840
<v Speaker 15>Whether or not we're talking to some political entity that

0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:58.080
<v Speaker 15>has absolutely no control of the military as well, or

0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.720
<v Speaker 15>whether or not we're talking to it rosa group that

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 15>would like to slip it and take power when all

0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:03.280
<v Speaker 15>a said and done.

0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:06.080
<v Speaker 3>But the idea somehow that the Iranians are negotiating in.

0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:08.960
<v Speaker 15>Good faith at this point, like all the other points,

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:11.200
<v Speaker 15>and that they just stormed away from the table because

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 15>something crazy was said is.

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 3>A bit ridiculous. So we read the whole size.

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:21.240
<v Speaker 1>This is the truth. Social notes a whole civilization will

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 1>die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't

0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 1>want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now

0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 1>that we have wait and you've got to go to

0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:32.080
<v Speaker 1>the end stuff right there?

0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right?

0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 1>However, now that we have complete and total regime change,

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:42.840
<v Speaker 1>where different, smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something

0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:47.080
<v Speaker 1>revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? All in cap we

0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 1>will find out tonight one of the most important moments

0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:52.400
<v Speaker 1>in the long and complex history of the world. Forty

0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:56.800
<v Speaker 1>seven years of extortion, corruption and death will finally end.

0:58:57.200 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 1>God bless the great people of Iran.

0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:08.080
<v Speaker 15>Revolutionarily Yeah, revolutionarily wonderful sounds like a lyric you would

0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:09.920
<v Speaker 15>find it, and you know in Seid of the musical

0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:13.640
<v Speaker 15>seventeen seventy six. But if something, if the civilization is

0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:16.840
<v Speaker 15>going to die, then that means that it's bad. That

0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:19.919
<v Speaker 15>that means it's the Iranian regime. But he doesn't want

0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:23.080
<v Speaker 15>it to happen. Why doesn't he want it to happen? Again,

0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:27.120
<v Speaker 15>I'm not the most clear concise.

0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I would have written it differently, but I would have

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:35.240
<v Speaker 1>said the regime that has ruined Iran for forty seven

0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:38.080
<v Speaker 1>years will come to an end tonight and they still

0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:41.080
<v Speaker 1>have a chance to do this peacefully. But the great people,

0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I would God bless the great people of Iran. I'd

0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 1>leave that last line in. But James, I want to

0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:50.800
<v Speaker 1>go back to whether or not the talk of war

0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:55.360
<v Speaker 1>crimes this is absurd. I took international law in nineteen eighty.

0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been studying it, teaching parts of it in kam

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:03.360
<v Speaker 1>law for thirty years now. If you target dual use infrastructure,

1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:06.160
<v Speaker 1>it's not a war crime. We did that in Yugoslavia,

1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:08.480
<v Speaker 1>we did that in Libya. Why is this all of

1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:10.120
<v Speaker 1>a sudden a talking.

1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:13.400
<v Speaker 3>Point reaching and grasping Ukraine.

1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:15.960
<v Speaker 15>I believe blew up a bridge in Russia today or yesterday,

1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:18.480
<v Speaker 15>and odd no one is talking about that being a

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<v Speaker 15>war crime. Ukraine did it because the Russians were moving

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<v Speaker 15>material all across it to go kill more Ukrainians and

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<v Speaker 15>capture more soil. So Ukraine has nevery right to go

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<v Speaker 15>and do that, and no one's mentioning that.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 15>I have to think that a couple of bridges were

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<v Speaker 15>probably taken out during World War Two.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that they said.

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<v Speaker 15>No, leave that we don't want to be brought up

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<v Speaker 15>in the dock after the war's over. It's preposterous, it

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<v Speaker 15>is ridiculous, But again they have to say something because

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<v Speaker 15>the general overall idea, the course of this is to

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<v Speaker 15>liberate the Iranian people and make it so that women

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<v Speaker 15>can walk around with their hair showing without being bitten

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<v Speaker 15>by sticks, by mino jump out of cars. And since

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<v Speaker 15>it's hard to get to be against that, they have

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<v Speaker 15>to find all sorts of alternative means to scream about it.

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<v Speaker 15>And there you are, it's the latest thing. Knock the

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<v Speaker 15>ice right off the table. There for people who were

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<v Speaker 15>getting upset about it, would seem.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think everyone has forgotten that the regime The

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<v Speaker 1>president used the number fifty thousand yesterday, the Crown Prince

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<v Speaker 1>of Iran's on my program. The low end was thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand murdered in January, So I've been using the

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five thousand number. What can you say about a

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<v Speaker 1>regime that murdered thirty five thousand of its own people.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not good people.

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<v Speaker 15>No, absolutely not, and it's completely in keeping with what

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<v Speaker 15>they have always been. That's why the idea, somehow that

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<v Speaker 15>we just decided for some strange reason, to go over

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<v Speaker 15>there and make trouble with her on when Iran has

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<v Speaker 15>been absolutely at our throats, intellectually, spiritually, militarily, terrorist wise

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<v Speaker 15>for forty seven years. It's ridiculous, DoD I mean give

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<v Speaker 15>Trump credit for this. He was talking about the need

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<v Speaker 15>for regime change a long long time ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean back when he was doing Oprah shows.

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<v Speaker 15>So it's not something that is just suddenly he decided

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<v Speaker 15>to fixate on to distract attention from Epstein, which is

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<v Speaker 15>which just what you hear on the left over and

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<v Speaker 15>over and over again. This is all about a wag

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<v Speaker 15>my dog to keep people from looking at the Epstein files.

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<v Speaker 3>Please.

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<v Speaker 15>People have forgotten about the Epstein files. People have forgotten

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<v Speaker 15>that we sent a rocket.

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<v Speaker 1>To the moon.

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<v Speaker 15>It's going to be news to a lot of people

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<v Speaker 15>when that thing splashes down. It's like, what did they

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<v Speaker 15>go up in seventy one and never come back? I mean,

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<v Speaker 15>the attention span at this point is short, and the

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<v Speaker 15>information quantity seems to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me talk about when Artemis is a big

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<v Speaker 1>story and I'm I'm a big fan of that particular mission,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am a bigger fan of the rescue mission

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<v Speaker 1>and the extraordinary mission within a mission, we've sign a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of B twos. In the middle of that, forty

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<v Speaker 1>five hours of getting the two airmen, we sent a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of B twos to bomb a command center with

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<v Speaker 1>the IRGC and once again ill advisedly gathered and we

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<v Speaker 1>knew about it and we hit that. What did you

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<v Speaker 1>make of that rescue. I'm still not over it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's extraordinary and it's very much America.

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<v Speaker 15>As somebody pointed out on Twitter that in the space

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<v Speaker 15>of X number of hours we had sent this entire

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<v Speaker 15>force in there to rescue our people and also just

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<v Speaker 15>shot a rocket at the moon. That's America. That's the

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<v Speaker 15>America that we love. That's the America that can do things.

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<v Speaker 15>It was a remarkable operation and it reminds you again

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<v Speaker 15>we're not where we were back in the Carter eras

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<v Speaker 15>when the first Delta Force mission really did not do

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<v Speaker 15>so well at the whole setting.

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<v Speaker 3>Up a base and trying to rescue.

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<v Speaker 15>People think we're much better at it, and we're incredible

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<v Speaker 15>at it, and the world knows it and sees what

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<v Speaker 15>we do. There were those who were saying, we don't

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<v Speaker 15>understand why you would expand so much material and so

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<v Speaker 15>many airframes to rescue a few people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the American difference.

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<v Speaker 15>We're not going to leave them on the battlefield like

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<v Speaker 15>the Russians and have people drag them back with you

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<v Speaker 15>with chains if they dragged them.

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<v Speaker 3>Back at all. No, they're important, they're alive. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to go get them.

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<v Speaker 15>And the story of one man hold out with a

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<v Speaker 15>pistol gets rescued on the Easter. It just makes the

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<v Speaker 15>whole thing make you say, when is the movie coming out?

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<v Speaker 3>Because there's going to be a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Right There be many a movie. And I liked your mind. People.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been doing it this way since we've been flying.

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<v Speaker 1>George H. W. Bush, President Bush, the first pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>of the drink twice when he got shot down as

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<v Speaker 1>a fighter pilot in World War Two. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>friend Tim Cook. I have a friend Tim Cook who

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<v Speaker 1>flew over Vietnam repeatedly, always aware that they would try

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<v Speaker 1>and come and get you, and occasionally they would if

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<v Speaker 1>you got shot down. But it was tough in the

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<v Speaker 1>jungles of Iran. I'm just amazed at how they threw

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<v Speaker 1>it together in forty five hours. Nothing in America. I don't.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, it does if you're motivated, and if he does,

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<v Speaker 15>if you're these guys, and it does if you have

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<v Speaker 15>a meritocracy where people are based on skill and rewarded

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<v Speaker 15>as such, Yes, then it would put these guys in

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<v Speaker 15>charge of California High Speed Rail and you'd probably have

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<v Speaker 15>that thing opening within eight months.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't give them any ideas, Lilax. Please don't suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want it to open in forty five days.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're right if they'd put a military. When I

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<v Speaker 1>first built the Nixon Library, I hired a marine retired

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<v Speaker 1>colonel to make sure that I didn't screw it up

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<v Speaker 1>too badly. Jim O'Brien, if you're listening still, thank you, Lilax.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Read him over at James Lylas dot substack

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<v Speaker 1>Change Lylens dot substack dot com. Coming back with John Coleman,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. You've met John Coleman.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a long time listening to the program. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a graduate of Harvard Business School, Harvard Kennedy School,

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<v Speaker 1>longtime friend of the program. Now he's the author of

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new book called Good Money. That's right, Good Money,

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<v Speaker 1>Six Steps to Take to make your financial help. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't got the subtitle down, John, welcome, give me the

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<v Speaker 1>subtitle of the book again.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, Six Steps to building a financial life with purpose.

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<v Speaker 16>And thanks so much for having me on here. It's

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<v Speaker 16>a privilege to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm pretty interested in this. I want to give

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<v Speaker 1>people your background. You're a graduate of Harvard Business School,

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<v Speaker 1>you're graduate of the Harvard Kennedy School. You're contributing writer

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<v Speaker 1>to the Harvard Business Review. And I guess they have

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<v Speaker 1>a program on human flourishing. What is that program about.

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<v Speaker 16>John, Yeah, So Harvard has an incredible program on human flourishing,

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<v Speaker 16>which is actually an academic study center headed by a

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<v Speaker 16>guy named Tyler Vanderweel and collaboratively with Baylor and Gallup,

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<v Speaker 16>they now have the largest study of human flourishing in

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<v Speaker 16>the world.

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<v Speaker 4>So they've surveyed a few hundred.

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<v Speaker 16>Thousand people about the elements of human flourishing and have

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<v Speaker 16>really developed one of the most academically rigorous frameworks around it.

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<v Speaker 16>And it's something through both my writing and my professional

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<v Speaker 16>career as an investor that I've dug into with them

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<v Speaker 16>and am able to reflect in the book now to outline,

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<v Speaker 16>because if you're going to think about using money to

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<v Speaker 16>create a good life, you have to start with this

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<v Speaker 16>idea of what is a good life, and that program

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<v Speaker 16>helps to answer what components of a good life make

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<v Speaker 16>it possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I also want the audience to know you know which

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<v Speaker 1>you speak. You came out of HBS. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>went right to McKenzie, then at Vesco and on and

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<v Speaker 1>on and on. Now you're running Sovereign's Wealth. Have I

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<v Speaker 1>got that right?

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<v Speaker 16>Yes, Sovereign's Capital. And the book is really the intersection

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<v Speaker 16>of these two streams that I've had in my life.

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<v Speaker 16>One for about fifteen years, I've been one of hbr's

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<v Speaker 16>principal writers on purpose, human flourishing and meaning. And then

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<v Speaker 16>on the other, I've spent my life as an investor,

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<v Speaker 16>building some acumen with investment investment management, obviously, but also

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<v Speaker 16>dealing with wealthy families and institutions, and so I had

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<v Speaker 16>noticed there was a gap in the market trying to

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<v Speaker 16>understand this intersection of purpose, meaning and human flourishing and

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<v Speaker 16>the way to use money well, which is what I'm

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<v Speaker 16>surrounded by in my day job. And Sovereign's Capital to

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<v Speaker 16>you today is a values oring investment firm. So we

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<v Speaker 16>actually try and incorporate these principles of human flourishing into

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<v Speaker 16>the work that we do within the companies that we

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<v Speaker 16>purchase or invest in.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's a really neat.

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<v Speaker 16>Thing to be able to synthesize that in this book

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<v Speaker 16>and connect those two topics more deeply.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, John Coleman, Good Money. Before we get to that,

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<v Speaker 1>I had Arthur Brookshawn last week talking about how to

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<v Speaker 1>build your life. Well, Arthur, wasn't there when you were there?

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<v Speaker 1>Was Clayton Christiansen teaching this stuff? I mean, where did

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<v Speaker 1>you get the impetus to think this way?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 16>Clay Christensen is just such a marvelous human being and

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<v Speaker 16>we all miss him very much. And indeed, Clay was

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<v Speaker 16>one of those formative people I had a number of

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<v Speaker 16>great professors at Harvard Business School. You know, I've been

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<v Speaker 16>really concerned with this idea of purpose and meaning and

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<v Speaker 16>flourishing throughout my life, Hugh, partially because of my faith background,

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<v Speaker 16>so I'm a Christian. That's obviously central to the faith

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<v Speaker 16>that I have, and I've constantly fretted over this idea,

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<v Speaker 16>how do I create greater flourishing in the life of

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<v Speaker 16>my family, but also as a mission in life for me?

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<v Speaker 4>How do I create.

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<v Speaker 16>Opportunities for others and try and enable purpose, meaning and

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<v Speaker 16>flourishing in their lives. Clay Christiensen has leaned into that,

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<v Speaker 16>and I was privileged to be able to learn from him.

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<v Speaker 16>David Gergan, who was at the Kennedy School while I

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<v Speaker 16>was there, I was someone who was great for that.

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<v Speaker 16>Arthur Brooks has been a great person to get to

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<v Speaker 16>know since his AI days before he went to Harvard.

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<v Speaker 16>And there's just so much great work going on in

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<v Speaker 16>the world right now around this topic, and I think

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<v Speaker 16>it's needed because we see in culture a dearth of purpose,

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<v Speaker 16>meaning in human flourishing, and that's something I think all

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<v Speaker 16>of us are trying to speak into more comprehensively.

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<v Speaker 10>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Claik Christiansen wrote the book How to Measure a Life,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was one of the best books

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever read about performance and metrics that make a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense for one individual's life. Let's turn to

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<v Speaker 1>good money, and again good money, the subtitle of which

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<v Speaker 1>is I want to get to write six steps of

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<v Speaker 1>building a financial life with purpose. All right. Step number

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<v Speaker 1>one change the way you think about money. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big that's a pretty big gulp.

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<v Speaker 16>Yes, And you know, essential to that really is this

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<v Speaker 16>idea of understanding that money is a means, not an end,

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<v Speaker 16>to human flourishing. And that's the very first mindset I

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<v Speaker 16>try and address when I talked through the framework from

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<v Speaker 16>Harvard that I've leaned into. There are five intrinsically meaningful

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<v Speaker 16>things you can do with your life. Positive relationships, character

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<v Speaker 16>and virtue, meaning and purpose, happiness and life satisfaction, physical, mental,

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<v Speaker 16>and spiritual health. The six category is financial and material stability.

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<v Speaker 4>Money. But money is really.

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<v Speaker 16>Just a means to achieving those more intrinsically good things.

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<v Speaker 16>And if you focus on it too much, if you

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<v Speaker 16>make it and ends, it can actually be in conflict

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<v Speaker 16>with your ability to build with great relationships or.

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<v Speaker 4>Character and virtue.

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<v Speaker 16>So I try and anchor people around that, and then

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<v Speaker 16>also anchor them in this idea of enough. You know,

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<v Speaker 16>the hardest question to answer in money is how much

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<v Speaker 16>is enough? It's been perennial. I talk about a Tulsoy

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<v Speaker 16>short story in the book to demonstrate he was thinking

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<v Speaker 16>about it. There are some great quotes from John Rockefeller

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<v Speaker 16>when they asked him at the height of his wealth,

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<v Speaker 16>how much is enough, John, or how much more do

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<v Speaker 16>you need? And he said just a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 16>And we all think that way. And so I encourage

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<v Speaker 16>people to reflect on it as a means in and

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<v Speaker 16>also to put a real framework around how much money

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<v Speaker 16>is enough for me to achieve these other more intrinsically

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<v Speaker 16>meaningful things. And then how do I use any money

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<v Speaker 16>beyond that to lean into those things through generosity, through

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<v Speaker 16>business building, through better spending habits, et cetera, rather than

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<v Speaker 16>just acquiring more and more, which is a cycle we

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<v Speaker 16>get stuck in called the hedonic treadmill, where we're constantly

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<v Speaker 16>just chasing more in the work that we do.

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<v Speaker 4>And so those are a couple of mindsets I anchor on.

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<v Speaker 1>So John, first hard question, You don't know how much

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<v Speaker 1>you'll need when you start right. You have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>if there's going to be illnessed or accident or tragedy,

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<v Speaker 1>or children with special needs. You just don't know. So

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<v Speaker 1>how do you guide people on the idea that we

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<v Speaker 1>can figure out how much is enough?

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, that's right, Hugh. And everyone's life situation is different,

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<v Speaker 16>so there's not a number outlined in the book where

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<v Speaker 16>I say this is enough for you. People do have

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<v Speaker 16>different needs. We have a child with special needs, for example,

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<v Speaker 16>we've got parents who are aging.

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<v Speaker 4>All of those things factor into what you need. I

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<v Speaker 4>think the key.

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<v Speaker 16>Discussion that spouse's should be having with each other, with

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<v Speaker 16>their broader network of friends or a financial advisor is

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<v Speaker 16>what is the lifestyle that we want to lead and

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<v Speaker 16>what does that look like, so that you have a

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<v Speaker 16>concept of that and what you think that network target

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<v Speaker 16>or income target is to address that, because the trap

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<v Speaker 16>that you're trying to avoid is lifestyle escalation. You know,

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<v Speaker 16>the typical person, when they make a little bit more

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<v Speaker 16>at a job, their income goes up, but their spending

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<v Speaker 16>goes up right along with it, right, And that's why

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<v Speaker 16>it's called the hedonic treadmill, because we get caught kind

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<v Speaker 16>of chasing escalating lifestyle as our income goes up, even

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<v Speaker 16>though that escalating lifestyle, especially material things, often doesn't make

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<v Speaker 16>you happier. In fact, there's some evidence that acquiring material

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<v Speaker 16>things can actually be negative for happiness, fulfillment and purpose

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<v Speaker 16>over time if focused improperly.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I get him to think.

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<v Speaker 16>About the lifestyle, the type of house, the type of education,

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<v Speaker 16>the types of expenditures they need to make make that

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<v Speaker 16>decision for themselves, and then a course of tragedy strikes.

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<v Speaker 16>If you can encounter a complicated life circumstance, like someone

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<v Speaker 16>with health problems, you can adjust that over time to

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<v Speaker 16>reflect your life. But it's really stepping off the treadmill

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<v Speaker 16>and being more conscious of the material things that you're

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<v Speaker 16>accumulating and how your lifestyle is escalating.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be right back with John Coleman. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the author of the brand new book Good Money, Six Steps,

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<v Speaker 1>Six Steps to building a financial life with Purpose. So

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<v Speaker 1>don't go anywhere except maybe over to Amazon to find

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<v Speaker 1>life with Purpose. Just remember good money in John Coleman.

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<v Speaker 1>That's easiest thing at Amazon. I'll be right back. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back in America. I'm here with John Coleman, author of

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<v Speaker 1>the brand new book Good Money. You'll find good Money

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<v Speaker 1>at Amazon, at Barnes and Noble wherever books are sold.

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<v Speaker 1>And because it's both a self help book and a

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<v Speaker 1>finance book, a lot of people are going to wonder

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<v Speaker 1>about the six steps of building a financial life with purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>and they want the outline version of it. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to give you the outline version of it. But first, John,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you end up you don't know any South

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<v Speaker 1>in your mouth? How did you end up so deeply

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<v Speaker 1>involved in Georgia's stuff? Oh, I was.

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<v Speaker 16>Born in Florida, Actually, Hugh, I tell the story bit

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<v Speaker 16>in a book. My dad was a rodeo cowboy.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was born. We lived in a single wide

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<v Speaker 4>mobile home in Florida.

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<v Speaker 16>My mom cut hair and so I don't know how

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<v Speaker 16>I didn't get an accent. I grew up in Columbus, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 16>Primarily I joke with my parents. I maybe watch too

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<v Speaker 16>much TV. But if you met my extended family you

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<v Speaker 16>definitely hear more of that Georgia and North Florida accent.

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<v Speaker 4>For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Dad was a rodeo guy.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, he wrote bulls in saddle bronc courses. So, Hugh,

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<v Speaker 16>I've been a perpetual disappointment to my father. There's no

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<v Speaker 16>way to really live up to that level of adventure

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<v Speaker 16>and masculinity, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know everything, actually, but my mom is very happy.

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<v Speaker 1>It intersects with my worst moment on the radio. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you that story. An other time happened at

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<v Speaker 1>the Rodeo National Finals in Las Vegas, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking to a world champion bull rider. But another time.

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<v Speaker 1>Prioritize purpose in your working career. Step two. Okay, how

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<v Speaker 1>is a twenty four year old supposed to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say that's the average HBS graduate or if you

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<v Speaker 1>go back for an executive NBA at thirty five, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you prioritize purpose? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 16>The simple way that I think about this is there

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<v Speaker 16>is really no success without significance. So in our culture,

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<v Speaker 16>there's this idea I can just bear down, take a

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<v Speaker 16>job for the money, become successful, and then I'll figure

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<v Speaker 16>out how to make my life significant. And I think

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<v Speaker 16>that mindset is actually behind all the disengagement we see.

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<v Speaker 16>So if you look at surveys right now, only around

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<v Speaker 16>twenty percent of people say that they get a significant

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<v Speaker 16>source of meaning and purpose from their work. In the

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<v Speaker 16>United States, which is catastrophic. That's where you spend most

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<v Speaker 16>of your time forty to fifty sixty hours a week,

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<v Speaker 16>and so I have this idea that almost any job

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<v Speaker 16>can be meaningful, but we have to look for the

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<v Speaker 16>opportunities to really build out those sources of meaning and

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<v Speaker 16>purpose in our work. I interviewed a bus driver actually

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<v Speaker 16>for my last book on Purpose with HBr and he

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<v Speaker 16>had made this job a bus driver intrinsically meaningful by

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<v Speaker 16>viewing himself as a caretaker for the kids on his bus,

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<v Speaker 16>celebrating them, encouraging them, connecting them with one another, helping

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<v Speaker 16>them build relationships. He wasn't just a driver, he was

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<v Speaker 16>a teacher. And I think in each of our jobs,

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<v Speaker 16>it's incumbent upon us to look for those opportunities to

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<v Speaker 16>serve others, to build positive relationships, to excel at our craft,

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<v Speaker 16>and even to tweak our jobs in ways that become

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<v Speaker 16>more meaningful. And because earning is the first way in

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<v Speaker 16>which we encounter money, I thought it important off the

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<v Speaker 16>bat to help people understand how to build more purpose

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<v Speaker 16>and meaning in their way were so that they didn't

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<v Speaker 16>feel they were just working for a paycheck, that they

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<v Speaker 16>were actually using that time there at were both to

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<v Speaker 16>earn money, which is important, but also to really live

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<v Speaker 16>into the mission of their lives and exemplify their values.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, John, Over the weekend, we saw the most amazing

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<v Speaker 1>thing I think I've seen in my life in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of human activity, which was the rescue of the second

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<v Speaker 1>pilot from the F fifteen That involved an operation involving

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of people with a long tail back to a

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<v Speaker 1>secretary at the Pentagon who is probably staying up late

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<v Speaker 1>checking the eyes and the t's on the documents that

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<v Speaker 1>were authorizing the thing. How do you infuse purpose into

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<v Speaker 1>an organization like that, because that was obviously quite an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing purpose driven result, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 16>And the US military is one of the best examples

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<v Speaker 16>of a purpose driven organization. If you talk to marines

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<v Speaker 16>or Army rangers or Air Force pilots, they put purpose

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<v Speaker 16>at the center of all they do. They have a

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<v Speaker 16>very clear mission as an organization, they have very clear values,

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<v Speaker 16>and I think they start with that so that they're

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<v Speaker 16>recruiting and identifying people who come because they connect with

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<v Speaker 16>that mission. And then everything that they do with internal

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<v Speaker 16>to the organization is helping the individuals in that organization

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<v Speaker 16>connect with that both at the umbrella level, like I'm

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<v Speaker 16>a marine and this is what Marines stand for, but

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<v Speaker 16>also with the individual members of their unit, with the

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<v Speaker 16>people that they train with, with those who they're going

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<v Speaker 16>to deploy with. And so what I think the military

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<v Speaker 16>does a great job of. First they have such a

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<v Speaker 16>wonderful and clear mission at the outset, which is absent

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<v Speaker 16>from some jobs and you have to work harder at.

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<v Speaker 16>But they then connect it down to the personal level.

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<v Speaker 16>They reinforce it in everything that they do. They recognize

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<v Speaker 16>those whether they're Medal of Honor winners or others who

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<v Speaker 16>have contributed significantly to that and set that as an

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<v Speaker 16>aspiration for others. And they're really one of the best

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<v Speaker 16>examples in the world right now of a purpose driven

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<v Speaker 16>organization wherever person is on mission, and that rescue story

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<v Speaker 16>that you mentioned is such a great example of that,

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<v Speaker 16>where people are literally putting their lives on the line,

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<v Speaker 16>not just for the mission of the country, for the

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<v Speaker 16>values of their service branch, but also to contribute to

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<v Speaker 16>one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Deeply inspired. Really one of the most inspissal things I've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back with John Coleman, and I've only

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<v Speaker 1>done two of the six steps in good Money. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get through them in the final segment don't go anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>in America. I'm here HERETT with John Coleman Good Money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's his new book, blogging back to America. I can

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<v Speaker 1>talk to John Coleman for a long time because the

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<v Speaker 1>young man who has done a lot and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to do a lot more. But I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>look at his book Good Money. Six Steps to building

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<v Speaker 1>a Financial Life with Purpose steps four five six three

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<v Speaker 1>four five sticks, spend and consume wisely, use your means

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<v Speaker 1>to help others, invest for maximum impact, and say for

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<v Speaker 1>freedom not retirement. Now, John, I'm seventy years old. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>I've done these things. But one of the things I

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<v Speaker 1>think the fetching missus YOUHWTT and I did early on

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<v Speaker 1>was learned to spend wisely and just not fall in

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<v Speaker 1>love with expensive things. How do you advise people to

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<v Speaker 1>do that?

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, I mean there's a prudent step, which is just

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<v Speaker 16>never spend more than you have, don't let your networth

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<v Speaker 16>go negative, stay out of debt. I think beyond that,

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<v Speaker 16>most of us end up spending on material things. And

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<v Speaker 16>if I had a rule of thumb we use around

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<v Speaker 16>our house, it's experiences not stuff. In general, acquiring material

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<v Speaker 16>things is both not leading to happiness and purpose, but

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<v Speaker 16>it also is what gets you in that trap. What

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<v Speaker 16>you'd rather spend on are things like experiences which builds relationships,

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<v Speaker 16>which are durable, health time, and the relationships in your lives,

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<v Speaker 16>which are more oriented towards human flourishing and really lead

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<v Speaker 16>to happiness and purpose. And so I think the first

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<v Speaker 16>step is for people to get off the material accumulation treadmill,

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<v Speaker 16>both because that's what can lead you into debt, but

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<v Speaker 16>also because it doesn't really result in the happiness that

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<v Speaker 16>people are chasing as much of some of these other categories.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a dangerous question for you. The two most

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<v Speaker 1>expensive hobbies I know of are cars and wine. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I have no care for cars or wine, but do

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<v Speaker 1>you have any advice in good money about picking your

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<v Speaker 1>hobbies wisely, like if you follow the guard again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cheap.

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<v Speaker 16>You know, those are expensive hobbies. I also don't engage

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<v Speaker 16>in here. I think people have to be careful about what.

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<v Speaker 4>They get into.

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<v Speaker 16>And one of the little tidbits I have in the

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<v Speaker 16>book is something called smash your idols, which is if

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<v Speaker 16>you realize something is a bad obsession for you because

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<v Speaker 16>you don't have the money to pursue it, you get

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<v Speaker 16>caught up in status comparison, whether that be cars or

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<v Speaker 16>watches or clothes or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 4>To really go cold turkey to smash that I do.

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<v Speaker 17>That's a good idea. Yeah, I want to go to

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<v Speaker 17>use your money to help others. We do a lot

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<v Speaker 17>of that on the program. We waste a lot of

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<v Speaker 17>money for a lack cause or like food for the poor.

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<v Speaker 17>The last couple of weeks. How hard is it to

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<v Speaker 17>persuade people that the scriptures? I had a lot of

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<v Speaker 17>good guidance there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 16>And one of the tragic things right now is that

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<v Speaker 16>most people are not as generous as we could be.

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<v Speaker 16>Less than two percent of US GDP, only six and

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<v Speaker 16>ten people give to charity in any given year, and

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<v Speaker 16>it's only slightly higher for Christians right now. And yet

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<v Speaker 16>generosity is proven as one of the two or three

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<v Speaker 16>most important things to unlocking purpose and human flourishing in

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<v Speaker 16>your life. Even as physical health benefits, Generous people have

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<v Speaker 16>lower incidences of all cause mortality, lower incidences of cardiac disease,

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<v Speaker 16>a variety of things physically and psychologically. What I'm trying

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<v Speaker 16>to help people understand is how to do that more

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<v Speaker 16>generously and more consistently, and that topics like becoming a

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<v Speaker 16>percentage giver, doing things you're passionate about, not only giving money,

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<v Speaker 16>but serving in these organizations so you become more involved

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<v Speaker 16>in them, and doing it in partnership, particularly with your family,

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<v Speaker 16>where you can introduce the practice of family giving.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Joe, let me close with invest from maximum impact,

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<v Speaker 1>say for freedom, not retirement. Now, I'm going to retire

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<v Speaker 1>in a few more years, and I've done that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you mean by that. I just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of focused on making sure that I could quit

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<v Speaker 1>when I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, And I'm kind of on a I don't believe

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<v Speaker 16>in the conventional American view of retirement, which is withdraw

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<v Speaker 16>completely from the world, build up a balance sheet enough

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<v Speaker 16>that you can go play golf the rest of your time.

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<v Speaker 16>I don't think the scripture tells us that, and I

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<v Speaker 16>don't think the research tells us that. The Social Security

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<v Speaker 16>Administration found that there's a twenty four percent decrease in

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<v Speaker 16>all cause mortality delaying retirement even one year. And so

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<v Speaker 16>what I encourage people to do is really lean into

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<v Speaker 16>using their talents and abilities for the entirety of their

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<v Speaker 16>life as long as health allows, and instead saving so

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<v Speaker 16>that they have the freedom and agency to choose what

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<v Speaker 16>they're working on throughout their lives, so they're not trapped

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<v Speaker 16>in something that's too busy or that's too fast a pace,

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<v Speaker 16>or something they don't enjoy. But building the financial flexibility

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<v Speaker 16>so that they can use their talents for maximum impact

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<v Speaker 16>at the pace they want over time, but not withdrawing

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<v Speaker 16>completely from the workforce, which I also think benefits society

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<v Speaker 16>because we don't want to lose the talents and experiences

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<v Speaker 16>of older Americans either. And so I think there's a

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<v Speaker 16>real shift in mindset for a lot of people about.

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<v Speaker 1>Arms, especially as lifespan expands. So, John, good money, it's

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<v Speaker 1>your sixth book. How many more are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>I did fifteen, and I said, you know, okay, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no more. I got nothing left to say. How much

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<v Speaker 1>more have you got left to say?

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<v Speaker 16>I got to be careful that my wife is not

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<v Speaker 16>watching the program, Hugh, because she is probably not ready for.

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<v Speaker 4>Me to take on another book right now.

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<v Speaker 16>But I think there are a couple more in the tank,

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<v Speaker 16>even with regards to this, and so I'm already floating

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<v Speaker 16>a couple of new ideas and I love to write

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<v Speaker 16>like you do, and so it's a privilege to be

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<v Speaker 16>able to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a suggestion how to teach your children, or

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<v Speaker 1>just younger people generally, because I think the rising generation

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know anything about money, do you No?

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<v Speaker 16>And that's the concluding chapter of the book is actually

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<v Speaker 16>on money in kids, because I thought that was the most.

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<v Speaker 4>Important way to wrap it, and so I.

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<v Speaker 16>Try and tie all of those six practices into how

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<v Speaker 16>you can parent your children, because I think we're doing

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<v Speaker 16>kids a great disservice today both just teaching them fundamental

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<v Speaker 16>financial literacy and the principles and values behind that to

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<v Speaker 16>make their lives better. So it's a crucially important point

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<v Speaker 16>that's under emphasized.

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<v Speaker 1>You're involved in schools, maybe de Kalb County, do you

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<v Speaker 1>insist or do you try and get them to teach

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<v Speaker 1>financial literacy to kids?

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<v Speaker 12>Oh?

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<v Speaker 16>My goodness, I think even starting in middle school, we

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<v Speaker 16>need more financial literacy in the classroom. I'm on the

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<v Speaker 16>board of a college right now where I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 16>emphasize that as part of the coursework. I think our

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<v Speaker 16>educational institution should be starting as young as elementary school,

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<v Speaker 16>introducing basic financial literacy concepts, and of course there's no

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<v Speaker 16>substitute for parents picking that up. I mean, really, parents

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<v Speaker 16>have to be a critically part of mentoring. We've got

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<v Speaker 16>a five year old through a twelve year old, four kids,

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<v Speaker 16>and even our five year old now has a Ledger system.

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<v Speaker 16>We're teaching the basic principles and we're evolving that to

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<v Speaker 16>greater maturity with our twelve year old. But we parents

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<v Speaker 16>have to think about taking ownership of that and encouraging

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<v Speaker 16>each of our schools to be a compliment to that,

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<v Speaker 16>a partner in that work.

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<v Speaker 1>In the final we got one minute. Debt is a killer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. That's my whole financial rule of life. Just

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<v Speaker 1>don't go into debt. Do you share that?

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<v Speaker 16>For the most part, I think there are a couple

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<v Speaker 16>of forms of debt that are a part of modern

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<v Speaker 16>society that can be okay. Mostly asset back debt for

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<v Speaker 16>things like mortgages, right can appropriate market. But I think

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<v Speaker 16>uncollateralized debt, credit card debt, even student loan debt is

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<v Speaker 16>something you have to be stupid.

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<v Speaker 4>No one should.

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<v Speaker 16>Carry credit card debt if they can avoid it, and

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<v Speaker 16>I think the student loan debt crisis is one where

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<v Speaker 16>people just aren't weighing the risks and returns.

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<v Speaker 1>Not well, John Coleman. Great to talk to you, and

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<v Speaker 1>the book is Good Money. Good Money is available at Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>Barnes and Noble bookstores everywhere. Good Money by a good man,

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<v Speaker 1>John Coleman. Good to see you again.