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Speaker 1: We are five hours away, less than five hours away
Speaker 1: from the deadline than President Trump has put to the
Speaker 1: Iranian regime to come to terms that are acceptable to him.
Speaker 1: In the United States, I begin the program with Congressman
Speaker 1: Dan Harrigan, representing North Carolina's tenth congressional District. Pat Harrigan
Speaker 1: excuse me himself a Green Beret, Pat, welcome. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to remind the audience who's new. You have
Speaker 1: the distinguished David Dryer share on the UUs show for
Speaker 1: twenty five years we had a regular congressman. It was
Speaker 1: David Dryer, that with Seohn Campbell. That was Tom Cotton,
Speaker 1: then it was Mike Pompeo. That was Mike Gollagher, then
Speaker 1: it was Mike Waalts. Now we just got to have
Speaker 1: a warrior, so you're it. Pat. What did you make
Speaker 1: of Saturday's rescue?
Speaker 2: I thought it was incredible, Hugh. I mean, look, if
Speaker 2: you had any doubt about the capability of the United
Speaker 2: States military, whether it was after the Midnight Hammer operation
Speaker 2: from a year ago highlighting our deep strike, whether it
Speaker 2: was snatching and grabbing Maduro, the president of Venezuela out
Speaker 2: of his own country, There's just not much else that
Speaker 2: I think could really impress you other than the operation
Speaker 2: that happened on Saturday.
Speaker 3: I mean, we spent.
Speaker 2: Every resource that we had to spend, an awful lot
Speaker 2: of money, but we brought that man home, and I
Speaker 2: think that that's instructive to the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: Number one, our capabilities. Number two our commitment to our people.
Speaker 2: We're never ever going to leave you behind.
Speaker 1: Pat Harri, you're a Green Beret, so you're part of
Speaker 1: that community special warfare. I am old enough to remember
Speaker 1: the disaster in the desert Egle Claw. You weren't even alive,
Speaker 1: I suspect, and everything changed. Then Jay Sock stood up
Speaker 1: and you began to operate together. Do you think any
Speaker 1: part of our special forces was left out of this thing?
Speaker 1: They're telling you about hundreds of people.
Speaker 2: Involved, no likely not at least within the tiers that
Speaker 2: are expected to operate on this type of an extremist operation.
Speaker 2: And so I do think that what you're seeing is
Speaker 2: you're seeing the symphony of the joint Force as it
Speaker 2: was intended to be utilized. And that's one of the
Speaker 2: things that I think President Trump doesn't get enough credit
Speaker 2: about over the last year is that, look, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: all these different military adventures that we've had in the
Speaker 2: last twenty five years that have not paid off for
Speaker 2: the United States of America at all, It's largely been
Speaker 2: because we fundamentally use the military in a way it's
Speaker 2: not designed to be used like we are not a
Speaker 2: protracted conflict force, which is one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: I've been so vocal about making sure that, Okay, whatever
Speaker 2: we're doing in Iran here, let's make sure we get
Speaker 2: out as quickly as we possibly can. Because the longer
Speaker 2: this goes on, the more perilous it becomes for the
Speaker 2: United States, the more difficult it becomes for us to
Speaker 2: define success, the easier it becomes for us to shift
Speaker 2: the mission, which is exactly what happened and led to
Speaker 2: the failures during the Global War on Terror. We don't
Speaker 2: want to see that repeated again.
Speaker 1: Congressman Pat Harrigan, I want to read to you President
Speaker 1: Trump's posts from this morning, which has got many people upset.
Speaker 1: The entirety of it. A whole civilization will die tonight,
Speaker 1: never to be brought back again. I don't want that
Speaker 1: to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we
Speaker 1: have a complete and total regime change where a different, smarter,
Speaker 1: and less radicalized mind prevails, who knows, maybe something revolutionarily
Speaker 1: wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight
Speaker 1: one of the most important moments in the long and
Speaker 1: complex history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion,
Speaker 1: corruption and death will finally end. God bless the great
Speaker 1: American people of Iran. Now he's clearly talking about the
Speaker 1: last forty seven years, not the twenty five hundred years
Speaker 1: of Persian civilization. But you wouldn't know that from the
Speaker 1: online commentary today. Richman, what'd you make of that post
Speaker 1: and of the President's comments for the last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's certainly got a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 2: they're there, they're feathers or flittering out there. I think
Speaker 2: that there's a difference between what the President is intending
Speaker 2: to say and what the words are conveying to some folks,
Speaker 2: particularly those that don't know him. In no way, shape
Speaker 2: or form. Do I think that he's talking about the
Speaker 2: end of civilization. I think he's talking about the end
Speaker 2: of a way of life, and whether that was an
Speaker 2: authoritarian regime that has just doubled and tripled down on terrorism,
Speaker 2: the exportation of terrorism, choosing chaos over commerce, somebody that
Speaker 2: just has not been a responsible player in the world
Speaker 2: and saying, look, yeah, we're going to go after your
Speaker 2: power plants, We're going to go after your bridges. I
Speaker 2: think the President has been really really clear about that,
Speaker 2: and the way of life that you have today might
Speaker 2: not be the type of lifestyle that you end up
Speaker 2: having tomorrow, because those things are all dual use, and
Speaker 2: we know what that regime has chosen to do with
Speaker 2: the power that they produce, and the bridge is an
Speaker 2: infrastructure that they have, which is so the seeds of
Speaker 2: chaos and death across.
Speaker 1: All of the globe.
Speaker 2: So no, I think that the President has been clear.
Speaker 2: I wish he was a little bit more clear with
Speaker 2: his post earlier today. I think any type of ambiguity
Speaker 2: that you have at this stage of the game does
Speaker 2: need to be clarified by the administration. But I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people are freaking out making too much
Speaker 2: out out of what was said today purposely.
Speaker 1: So I think it's impossible to post something that ends
Speaker 1: with God bless the great people of Iran and not
Speaker 1: understand it. Congressman Harrigan, can you remind people where the
Speaker 1: tenth Congressional district in North Carolina is? I want them
Speaker 1: to have a good fix on who you represent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, we're in central western North Carolina, just a
Speaker 2: little bit north of Charlotte, go all the way up
Speaker 2: to Winston Salem, and then I live out in Hickory
Speaker 2: out on the western side, which is where I am
Speaker 2: right now. It is a beautiful, lovely place to visit
Speaker 2: and live. Encourage everybody to check us out. And I'm very,
Speaker 2: very proud to represent the vibrant tenth district in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Now, you've got a lot of veterans. North Carolina is
Speaker 1: a veteran heavy state. Of course, you got a lot
Speaker 1: of active duty in North Carolina as well. What do
Speaker 1: they think about the last forty days where they were on.
Speaker 2: I think overall people understand that it was likely inevitable
Speaker 2: that it needed to happen at some point. I think
Speaker 2: mowing the lawn with Iran is something that has unfortunately
Speaker 2: just kind of become an expectation of what we're going
Speaker 2: to have to do to deal with that radical Islamist regime. However,
Speaker 2: I think that all global War on Terror veterans are
Speaker 2: very much adamantly against boots on the ground, like I
Speaker 2: have been from the very beginning here. I think it's
Speaker 2: one thing to wage in air war in a campaign
Speaker 2: to kind of suppress the regime and push them off
Speaker 2: for another five years or ten years until we got
Speaker 2: to go mow the lawn again. We certainly do not
Speaker 2: want them to have a nuclear weapon. That's one of
Speaker 2: the non negotiable red lines that exists here. But I
Speaker 2: think we've accomplished that and so and I think folks
Speaker 2: that our veterans understand that we have really succeeded in
Speaker 2: executing and accomplishing the main five objectives that we had
Speaker 2: from a military perspective. So, you know, I think all
Speaker 2: of us are.
Speaker 1: On the same page.
Speaker 2: Let's bank the win and let's get the heck out
Speaker 2: as quickly as we possibly can. That's in line with
Speaker 2: America's strategic interest long term.
Speaker 1: Now we've got one marine expeditionary unit on site in
Speaker 1: the Tripoli and another one on its way that we'll
Speaker 1: be there in another week. To mews, they can do
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. Do they take and hold
Speaker 1: one hundred miles of coast along the narrowest portion in
Speaker 1: the south the strait of hormones? Is that something that
Speaker 1: would be within their mission set?
Speaker 2: It's absolutely something that they're capable of. But capability is
Speaker 2: different than deciding to do it. And I have been
Speaker 2: someone that has been very vocal and adamant about not
Speaker 2: doing that. I think once you put boots on the ground,
Speaker 2: you have fundamentally changed the missions that we have and
Speaker 2: that's how you end up getting into the global War
Speaker 2: on terror right as well, we didn't achieve perfection with
Speaker 2: what we set out to achieve. We didn't settle for
Speaker 2: good enough, and we're now going to kind of create
Speaker 2: this new mission which creates second and third order consequences
Speaker 2: that you then have to deal with, and before you
Speaker 2: know it, you're lodged in a quagmire that does not
Speaker 2: need to happen in Iran, and I've been very vocal
Speaker 2: about making sure that we do not go boots on
Speaker 2: the ground. I think if boots on the ground are contemplated,
Speaker 2: it has and I've said this before, it's got to
Speaker 2: be going after nuclear material with special operations in out missions.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: Anything more than that.
Speaker 2: The President needs to make the case to the American people,
Speaker 2: and Congress has to be involved. Other than that, this
Speaker 2: thing's got to wrap up before sixty days and we
Speaker 2: need to get out here.
Speaker 1: All right now, Congressman, I just wanted for the record,
Speaker 1: the sixty to eight thing is the War Powers Act.
Speaker 1: I believe that unconstitutional. You and I can argue about
Speaker 1: that some other time, but I want to thank you
Speaker 1: for your time today. Congressman Pat Harriet. By the way,
Speaker 1: did they redraw your district lines in North Carolina? Are
Speaker 1: they the same ones? No?
Speaker 2: We yeah, they did in North Carolina, but they did
Speaker 2: not touch the Great tenth District in North Carolina. We're
Speaker 2: very happy about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Good for you, Good for you, Congressman Pat Harrigan,
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Speaker 1: the Sale News Channel. Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett.
Speaker 1: The Ruthless podcast is, of course one of the most
Speaker 1: influential inside the Beltway, and I had believed it was
Speaker 1: run by good conservative guys. Josh Holmes shared a panel
Speaker 1: with me last week and clipped me with a reference
Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Browns being losers. And he was the
Speaker 1: last person to speak. And as we know in panel etiquette,
Speaker 1: that's just not done. So there's a penalty. There's a
Speaker 1: proceeding underway, like an NCAA investigation into the entire franchise
Speaker 1: over there at Ruthless. But we bring you John Ashbrook,
Speaker 1: the voice from Ruthless pot What do you think should
Speaker 1: we penalize the player or the club.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing, Hugh.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm from the southern part of Ohio, as
Speaker 6: you know, and I think that the Cleveland Browns are
Speaker 6: in a rebuilding era, and I feel like Jimmy just
Speaker 6: wants to get arch Manning in that twenty twenty seven draft,
Speaker 6: and he's probably going to get him. And you know
Speaker 6: it's going to be Katie bar the door for the
Speaker 6: Cleveland Browns as soon as arch Manning is their quarterback.
Speaker 1: Well, he could have said that, but your colleague chose
Speaker 1: not to. I'm just remembering that. Now. I want to
Speaker 1: go to another voice from the past. Fourteen we're five hours,
Speaker 1: less than five hours away from a deadline, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about the president's post. In a moment before the
Speaker 1: president posted that Ben Rhodes, failed novelist, former speechwriter, former
Speaker 1: deputy National security advisor to President Obama, attendee at Fidel
Speaker 1: Castro's funeral, and left wing metter neck on ms NOW
Speaker 1: posted the US government is run by a lunatic who
Speaker 1: is not in control of events and is resorting to violence,
Speaker 1: to straw to try Parenz unsuccessfully to impose control. I
Speaker 1: thought that embodied sunk costs. How do you assess that?
Speaker 6: Well, here's the thing, and I just I think that
Speaker 6: it does a disservice to the Congress of Vienna.
Speaker 5: To compare Ben Rhodes to Metterneck. But here's the thing.
Speaker 6: You this guy and his ILK spent their entire careers
Speaker 6: in Washington appeasing the Iranian regime that has instigated so
Speaker 6: much terrorism across the world and has tried to destroy
Speaker 6: our country for forty seven years.
Speaker 5: And you know they used our own tax dollars.
Speaker 6: Everybody remembers the famous air dropping of American cash that
Speaker 6: was put into that airplane by American taxpayers. We've got
Speaker 6: April fifteenth coming up. Everybody's familiar with what happens to
Speaker 6: them on April fifteenth. It was him and his ILK
Speaker 6: who gave them money that they could put into their
Speaker 6: missile program, that they could put into development of nuclear weapons.
Speaker 6: Their approach to Iran made this situation much much worse
Speaker 6: and has led us to where we are today. And
Speaker 6: I don't know what's going to happen at eight pm.
Speaker 6: We do know that this president Donald Trump is the
Speaker 6: kind of guy who follows through on threats if he
Speaker 6: needs to do it. But he's also the kind of
Speaker 6: guy who is interested in peace. He said he wants
Speaker 6: to cease fire. He says he just wants them to
Speaker 6: reopen the straight of Ormus and it seems like the
Speaker 6: kind of thing the Iranians could do if they wanted.
Speaker 5: And I think you maybe mentioned.
Speaker 6: That these sorts that be fifty two's are already in
Speaker 6: the air, and they're maybe six hours away in keeping
Speaker 6: with that eight pm deadline.
Speaker 5: So we're all watching the clock.
Speaker 6: We're all curious to what actually will happen. Of course,
Speaker 6: in President's truth social posts left, you know, a lot
Speaker 6: of a lot up in the air. Maybe he doesn't
Speaker 6: even know because it's based on how the Iranians respond
Speaker 6: to what he's asking for, which is simply reopened the strait.
Speaker 1: Let me reread that post for people. Our whole civilization
Speaker 1: will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I
Speaker 1: don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However,
Speaker 1: now that we have complete and total regime change, where different,
Speaker 1: smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful
Speaker 1: can happen. Who knows and caps we will find out
Speaker 1: tonight one of the most important moments in the long
Speaker 1: and complex history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion,
Speaker 1: corruption and death will finally end. God bless the great
Speaker 1: people of Iran. So if you want to read the
Speaker 1: first line and stop. You can say the president out
Speaker 1: of control. If you read the whole thing, you know
Speaker 1: he's talking about the civilization is the same as the
Speaker 1: regime in this post, and the regime is evil. That's
Speaker 1: how I read it, John, Do you read it differently?
Speaker 6: No, I read it the exact same way, Hugh. And
Speaker 6: obviously you know so much more to I mean, your
Speaker 6: audience is very familiar with your expertise on foreign policy,
Speaker 6: and it's it's unquestioned.
Speaker 5: And I read it the same way. And you know,
Speaker 5: one of the things.
Speaker 6: That I've read that that there's a ten point plan
Speaker 6: out there and there's there's maybe some sort of a
Speaker 6: movement toward a CeaseFire's being broken through the pakistanis you know,
Speaker 6: it's hard to know what to believe and what's being
Speaker 6: pushed that's maybe not accurate or is accurate. I think
Speaker 6: the bottom line is that there has been movement if
Speaker 6: you if you just listen to what the president has said,
Speaker 6: and hopefully cooler heads will prevail.
Speaker 5: Here and at eight pm there's an agreement.
Speaker 6: And you know, Hugh, another guy who I you know,
Speaker 6: you're in my mind, you really are one of the
Speaker 6: pre eminent voices in America on foreign policy, and you've
Speaker 6: you've studied this, you know so much about it. There's
Speaker 6: another guy I really likes. Name's Brian Hook, and we've
Speaker 6: had him on our show a couple of times.
Speaker 1: On Iran. He was the Iran guy and he won.
Speaker 6: He was and you know, one of the things he
Speaker 6: said is that in Iran, obviously the molas are in charge,
Speaker 6: but the IRGC controls a lot of the means of production,
Speaker 6: they control a lot of the commerce. And so he
Speaker 6: has said on numerous occasions that that if the IRGC
Speaker 6: is in a position where they feel like their ability
Speaker 6: to continue their control over commerce in that nation is jeopardized,
Speaker 6: they will come to a negotiating table.
Speaker 5: In a way that the Molas may not. And so
Speaker 5: that could be the situation we're in right now.
Speaker 6: You know, I mean, what the president is, who the
Speaker 6: President is talking to directly is a little bit of
Speaker 6: a mystery to us, but it's not a mystery to
Speaker 6: the experts who are delivering, you know, these these briefings
Speaker 6: to the president, who've been studying the region and who
Speaker 6: know the players like the back of their hand. And
Speaker 6: I just have to have confidence in the professionals who
Speaker 6: are around him and guiding him at this moment here,
Speaker 6: just hours before the eight pm.
Speaker 1: Deadline, and you'll be covering and I think on tomorrow's
Speaker 1: program as well. I hope. I do want to bring
Speaker 1: up two things from today's program. March Madness is almost done.
Speaker 1: You got to go over to a comfortably smug to
Speaker 1: his ex account to vote on the final four. And
Speaker 1: a fine final four they are. I personally think Don
Speaker 1: Lemon's going to pull it out, but we'll see. And
Speaker 1: then I had not read this story about the naked
Speaker 1: burglar who has been terrorizing northern Virginia, but I hadn't
Speaker 1: realized that Michael Duncan had been gone the same I
Speaker 1: noticed you guys put two together today. I just wanted
Speaker 1: the world to know they should go listen to smuck.
Speaker 1: I think Duncan might be unhappy with you tomorrow. What
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 6: You know what Duncan was back today? And he assures
Speaker 6: me that was not him. We're gonna trust wait for
Speaker 6: We're gonna wait for the ring camera footage to come out,
Speaker 6: just to be certain.
Speaker 5: We do trust, but verify here.
Speaker 6: I think he's in the clear this time, but you
Speaker 6: never know. In the weeks ahead on the Hack Madness,
Speaker 6: I agree with you. I think Don Lemon could be
Speaker 6: the guy. If he's not, it might be Abby Phillip.
Speaker 1: I just think she gets all this guy jennying backwater
Speaker 1: very quickly. I don't know if you know Larry O'Connor.
Speaker 1: Do you know Larry I do? Oh yeah, great, completely
Speaker 1: insufferable today. Now just stay away, okay, completely insufferable wolverine
Speaker 1: to stay very far away from him because that March
Speaker 1: Madness ended up with larryo connor with a head the
Speaker 1: size of the Hindenburg. John Ashbrook, So the Ruthless Podcast
Speaker 1: always good to see you. Follow him on exit, John Ashbrook,
Speaker 1: listen to the Ruthless Podcast, especially tomorrow. Duncan will be back.
Speaker 1: We'll hear what he has to say about being being
Speaker 1: accused kinda of being the naked burglar in northern Virginia,
Speaker 1: he assures us. But I don't know. Stay tuned.
Speaker 7: No man's words.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to America, Hugh hewittt we are two and
Speaker 1: a half hours, three and a half hours away from
Speaker 1: the deadline that President Trump is given to Ron four
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Speaker 1: Now, Plaine, when we started this and you started the
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Speaker 9: Major Bob does a lot of things.
Speaker 8: He may have consumed an adult beverage or a thousand
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Speaker 1: right back David Drucker's next. As we are on edge
Speaker 1: inside the Beltway waiting for eight pm tonight. Although Admiral
Speaker 1: Cooper announced earlier today hundreds of one way drones launched,
Speaker 1: it targets all across Iran and so and Fridget's blown
Speaker 1: up in the airport. Hit. Lots of stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and we don't quite know about Harmini two point zero
Speaker 1: worries concerns over his well being with any Iran that
Speaker 1: are leaking out, stay tuned on Hugh Hewitt. I'm the
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Speaker 1: News Channel. Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett inside
Speaker 1: the Beltway. David Drucker is on assignment in Indiana. But David,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're watching with great interest the approach of
Speaker 1: the a PM deadline. I should let you know be
Speaker 1: fifty two have taken off from Air Force bases that
Speaker 1: take some time to get to Iran, and Admiral Cooper
Speaker 1: said hundreds of one way drones have already been dispatched
Speaker 1: against Iran and targets today doesn't look like the escalation
Speaker 1: to me. What do you hear? Well?
Speaker 10: I mean, I think the question is will the President
Speaker 10: be pleased enough with the pace of negotiations or will
Speaker 10: he want to find an off ramp that he can
Speaker 10: describe as the pace of negotiations are moving satisfactory to
Speaker 10: what I want out of Iran to forestall whatever this
Speaker 10: massive hit will otherwise be. And I and I kind
Speaker 10: of counch it that way, because you know, I think
Speaker 10: what we've learned over the years is that the Iranian regime,
Speaker 10: and I think what's left of it in their own
Speaker 10: way their true believers, and they're messianic and and you know,
Speaker 10: I think for them, it's all about maintaining the regime.
Speaker 10: And the minute you capitulate to the Americans, you're not
Speaker 10: maintaining the regime.
Speaker 11: And the regime is in deep trouble.
Speaker 10: And they have shown so far to do They've shown
Speaker 10: themselves so far to do in a sense, everything that
Speaker 10: we wouldn't do if we were the right.
Speaker 1: You're the chief political correspondent for the Dispatch. Dispatch very
Speaker 1: talented team. I listened to for example, Sarah is hearing
Speaker 1: David French talking about the birthright citizenship action at the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. You've got Steven Hayes Jonah over There is
Speaker 1: there ever an editorial call about where everyone gets on
Speaker 1: and talks about stuff, because I'm just curious what the
Speaker 1: opinion at the Dispatch is about eight o'clock tonight.
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, yeah, we get we actually we have
Speaker 10: an editorial call every Tuesday, right, and we talk about
Speaker 10: some of the biggest items in the news, how we
Speaker 10: may want to approach it, what we're thinking about it,
Speaker 10: and we're all on standby for this evening at eight pm,
Speaker 10: and we're just sort of aware that things may happen
Speaker 10: and we may have something to say about it, something
Speaker 10: to write about it. So there's a possibility of a
Speaker 10: dispatch live, which we you know, stream on the evenings
Speaker 10: of major events like the State of the Union, and
Speaker 10: like I think right after the Iran War began in
Speaker 10: late February, we had a dispatch live.
Speaker 11: So we are on standby and we were watching this.
Speaker 1: So the President's tweet today again, I want to read
Speaker 1: it in its entirety. A whole civilization will die tonight,
Speaker 1: never to be brought back again. I don't want that
Speaker 1: to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we
Speaker 1: have complete and total regime change, we're different, smarter and
Speaker 1: less radicalized minds prevail. Maybe something revolutionarily wonderful. What can happen?
Speaker 1: Who knows? In caps we will find out tonight one
Speaker 1: of the most important moments in the long and complex
Speaker 1: history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion, corruption
Speaker 1: and death will finally end. God bless the great people
Speaker 1: of Iran. Now, when you read the entire thing, he
Speaker 1: is not talking about total war. He's talking about destroying
Speaker 1: the regime. Nevertheless, the reaction, I'm sure you've seen it
Speaker 1: all day is though he called for war crimes.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but he didn't.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but that's because of the language he uses, right,
Speaker 10: I mean, he talks about striking Iran with overwhelming force
Speaker 10: and destroying the word he uses a civilization.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 10: I know there's a lot of Trump being Trump. Trump
Speaker 10: just says these things, but he really means this thing.
Speaker 10: But I think people reacting to the words he uses,
Speaker 10: and for any other president, we would be judging him
Speaker 10: by the words he uses and wouldn't even be having
Speaker 10: the discussion about, well he means something else. I think
Speaker 10: for a lot of people he means what he says,
Speaker 10: and for other people it's you femisms and you know,
Speaker 10: figures of speech to try and prove a point.
Speaker 11: So you know, pick your fourth.
Speaker 1: Dath Sarah, which he thinks about this because lawyers read
Speaker 1: the whole documents, especially originalists, and I can't believe you
Speaker 1: can read the last line, God bless the great people
Speaker 1: of Iran and think that he wants a war crime
Speaker 1: tonight He's going to hit dual use things.
Speaker 10: Now, I'm not saying in his mind. I'm not saying
Speaker 10: in his mind he wants a war crime. But Trump
Speaker 10: is very good at this. He says five different things
Speaker 10: that can legitimately be heard five different ways by five
Speaker 10: different people. And it's not necessarily my job to the
Speaker 10: least defensive one. It's not necessarily my job to pick
Speaker 10: the most defensive one.
Speaker 1: So you tell me, I read the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: then I tell people what I think, which is I
Speaker 1: think he's aiming to destroy the regime. Okay, Barack Revine,
Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Pakistan Sharif. Diplomatic efforts for peaceful settlement
Speaker 1: of the ongoing war in Middle East are progressing steadily,
Speaker 1: strongly and powerfully, with the potential lead to substantive results
Speaker 1: in the near future to allow to to run its course.
Speaker 1: I earnestly request President Trump to extend the deadline for
Speaker 1: two weeks. Do you think he will?
Speaker 11: I think it's very possible he will.
Speaker 10: I think Trump likes to use maximalist language to push
Speaker 10: things along in a way in which he can declare
Speaker 10: victory even if we don't really have a substantive development.
Speaker 10: And I think he's done that in a whole host
Speaker 10: of diplomatic and domestic negotiations, and so it wouldn't surprise
Speaker 10: me at all if we don't have an announcement that
Speaker 10: the Irani regime has delivered as the president is ass
Speaker 10: but that negotiates our negotiations. Excuse me, our proceeding a
Speaker 10: pace such that he's going to give this more time
Speaker 10: to play out.
Speaker 1: Now. Pakistan is not among our closest allies. They were
Speaker 1: never particularly helpful with the Taliban. They allowed the Taliban
Speaker 1: to cross the border. Are we very trusting of the
Speaker 1: Pakistani government as a mediator?
Speaker 11: Well, I hope, I hope not.
Speaker 10: But sometimes in certain situations you use different mediators. I mean,
Speaker 10: I think all presidents and all administrations have done that,
Speaker 10: occasionally done the unorthodox. But I agree you don't want
Speaker 10: to trust Pakistan. They have ulterior motives, but you know
Speaker 10: they are in the neighborhood and they do have a
Speaker 10: vested interest in stability in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: All right, Crude oil up to one hundred and thirteen
Speaker 1: dollars at barrel? What are you paying for it for gas?
Speaker 1: In Indiana? David Drucker.
Speaker 11: Four plus.
Speaker 10: I saw it at four to twenty as I was
Speaker 10: driving between Columbus and Franklin. And we'll see what it
Speaker 10: looks like tomorrow as I had through Indianapolis and to
Speaker 10: parts north. I'm paying close to five bucks in DC.
Speaker 1: Anybody in California who's right now there, and from San
Speaker 1: Francisco to La down to San Diego out in the
Speaker 1: Central Valley, they're all at six and a half to
Speaker 1: seven dollars a gallon. So they're not feeling for you,
Speaker 1: David in Indiana. But not a good political situation, last
Speaker 1: minute for you, right, you got to bring that down
Speaker 1: before June.
Speaker 10: Well, it's helpful because opinions start to solidify around June.
Speaker 10: That's the old Mitch McConnell rule that I often deploy.
Speaker 10: But particularly you want things to be relaxed by Labor Day.
Speaker 10: I've just written about this for Bloomberg Opinion. Gas tends
Speaker 10: to go up like a rocket and calms down extremely slowly.
Speaker 10: I think we're going to be dealing with high gas
Speaker 10: prices into the beginning of the fall, at least late summer.
Speaker 10: That's according to the experts that I've talked to. That's
Speaker 10: going to make things politically difficult. But they're already politically
Speaker 10: difficult for Republicans in Congress, all right, David M.
Speaker 1: Drucker follow him on X read them at the Dispatch
Speaker 1: the special report Brett Bear America's Ankerman Brett, welcome. I
Speaker 1: have already played your report of your call with the
Speaker 1: President this morning from earlier today on the Fox News channel.
Speaker 1: But give us a little bit of it, more of
Speaker 1: a blow by blow. Were you at home, were you
Speaker 1: at the studio already?
Speaker 12: I was on my way to the studio and just
Speaker 12: got the call and chatted for you know, probably the
Speaker 12: fifteen minutes or so. You know, he's pretty resolute and
Speaker 12: I took away from the call that you know, he
Speaker 12: was pretty firm on that deadline.
Speaker 7: He had not.
Speaker 12: Been aware of the specifics that were moving the needle
Speaker 12: negotiation wise. Now that said, just in the past few minutes,
Speaker 12: Jackie Hindrick got off the phone, and there is the
Speaker 12: Runians have moved a proposal and they are in what
Speaker 12: the President described as he did negotiations. And that's what
Speaker 12: he told Jackie just five minutes ago. So you know
Speaker 12: where this goes ahead of APM Eastern time, I don't know,
Speaker 12: but the earlier call, he was pretty resolute that it
Speaker 12: was happening.
Speaker 1: Right in the interim from the time he talked to him.
Speaker 1: B fifty twos have taken off from bases in Europe.
Speaker 1: Admiral Cooper tells US hundreds of one way drones have
Speaker 1: been launched the Israelis and bomb railroads. I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be the most intense night of the war,
Speaker 1: but there is still intense and devastating. Did the President
Speaker 1: talk with you about the language of his posts this
Speaker 1: morning and the blowback that it's caused. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's deserved, but it's been real blowback.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's real blowback. And you know how it's perceived
Speaker 12: the fact that a lot of people went all the
Speaker 12: way to nuclear weapons and you know, a tactical nuke
Speaker 12: being used. That's not happening. Uh. And you know, I
Speaker 12: didn't go down that road about the criticism. He was
Speaker 12: kind of talking about what's what's to come, and you know,
Speaker 12: I think he's seen the target list and I think,
Speaker 12: you know, he kind of foreshadowed it at the news conference.
Speaker 7: The other day.
Speaker 12: It would be devastating and not only to the running regime,
Speaker 12: but obviously to the running people too, And that's that's
Speaker 12: where that's where some of the issue is. And you
Speaker 12: don't want to harm the people that eventually are going
Speaker 12: to take over that government at some point.
Speaker 1: Now, Brett, I'll be on tonight on the panel with you,
Speaker 1: and we'll know more by that point. But I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if your sources have developed any kind of sense of
Speaker 1: the command bunker that the B two's hit in the
Speaker 1: middle of the extraordinary rescue operation. We still don't have
Speaker 1: any news on who was in there, if anyone of importance.
Speaker 7: No, we don't.
Speaker 12: We do know that before that that a key intelligence
Speaker 12: official was taken out, but there was a meeting at
Speaker 12: an I urgency command center that was taken out by
Speaker 12: that moab bomb. And you know that's significant because it
Speaker 12: can go deep. And so it took out that bunker,
Speaker 12: and whoever was in there, we're told did not survive.
Speaker 12: So we don't have a list, but the names keep
Speaker 12: on ticking up.
Speaker 1: So depending on for so long, I'm always more and
Speaker 1: more impressed by General Kane every time he talked. But
Speaker 1: you could see him flinch when the President started talking
Speaker 1: about the details of the raid. He'd rather not talk
Speaker 1: about anything about.
Speaker 12: The raid, and we wanted to keep that secret. And
Speaker 12: you know, I think they they're really sensitive about some
Speaker 12: of that stuff. I mean, you know they may have
Speaker 12: to use those tactics again, God forbid, if another another
Speaker 12: plane goes down, or if something happens, that search and
Speaker 12: rescue kind of blueprint is used, and they want to
Speaker 12: keep tactics in a secret.
Speaker 1: So Brett, one question I have coming out of that
Speaker 1: weekend of miracles, A heat seeking missile hit an F fifteen.
Speaker 1: I didn't think they had the capacity left. Has anyone
Speaker 1: answered that to your satisfaction yet? No?
Speaker 12: And I don't think they got the question effectively at
Speaker 12: the White House press conference. You know, they kind of
Speaker 12: say that they got lucky and that it got sucked
Speaker 12: up in the in the heat signature of the of
Speaker 12: the engine, but they still shot it down. And so
Speaker 12: you know, the obliterated missile system. Either they got lucky
Speaker 12: or they have a lot more. And I think it's
Speaker 12: somewhere in between the two.
Speaker 1: Okay, now to today's events. Carg Island was hit again today.
Speaker 1: Apparently only military targets is there? Those are the effect
Speaker 1: from Jennifer, from anyone that the Iranian i RGC or
Speaker 1: the arteche is reinforcing CARG.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that's why they're laying the groundwork for
Speaker 12: what may come. You know, we saw today out of
Speaker 12: Irun a lot of human chains around infrastructure. These are
Speaker 12: regime loyalists and their families with women and children, and
Speaker 12: signs around electrical facilities, around military bunkers, and there was
Speaker 12: we're told a resupply of defenses on KRG where they
Speaker 12: went back. They've already done one round of strikes on
Speaker 12: that island, which again is ninety percent of Iran's oil
Speaker 12: capacity through that place.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad you brought that up because the
Speaker 1: talk of war crimes today, Hitting a bridge is not
Speaker 1: a war crime, hitting a power plant is not a wartime.
Speaker 1: If there's dual use, using civilians to shield military infrastructure
Speaker 1: is a war crime. Hamasts for a year and a half,
Speaker 1: I have not heard that commented on yet, but I
Speaker 1: am correct about that, right, you are correct.
Speaker 12: Yeah, And you know they're saying they're surrounding civilian facilities.
Speaker 12: But obviously there's other you know, uses for a lot
Speaker 12: of these things, including the nuclear bunkers where we believe
Speaker 12: that Isbahan is the place that stored the highly enricheranium.
Speaker 1: All right to your final questions, was the president's mood
Speaker 1: a brilliant somber? How would you characterize it.
Speaker 12: He's fired up, he seemed energized, he's he was engaged,
Speaker 12: and you know, not not somber. He knows it's daunting,
Speaker 12: at least he talks about that, but he believes that
Speaker 12: this pressure he's hoping is going to lead to a
Speaker 12: big negotiation. And if not, he seems resolute. So I
Speaker 12: would say firm, but not not somber.
Speaker 1: Now, last question. The president often has sidebars. Did Pam
Speaker 1: BONDI or the Master? Is there anything else come up?
Speaker 12: No? No, it was a pretty you know, strict call.
Speaker 12: I was trying to get as much information as I
Speaker 12: could while I had his hear well.
Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing you tonight, Brett, and already
Speaker 1: played your report. I replayed again before we get there.
Speaker 1: Brett Behar, anchor of Special Report every night at six
Speaker 1: America's anchorman. Thank you, Brett. Welcome back in America. I'm
Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett. If you're just joining us on the Salem
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Speaker 1: be fifty two bombers are in the air, having left Britain.
Speaker 1: It's a seven hour trip to Iran. They'll arrive there
Speaker 1: around eight pm tonight. The president of Pakistan has asked
Speaker 1: for a two week extension. He's appealed to the president
Speaker 1: to hold off. I just talked to Brett Bher talked
Speaker 1: to the president earlier today. Does not seem at all
Speaker 1: intent on backing up of his deadline. And now I'm
Speaker 1: joined by Bethany Mandel, Mom Moores co founder. All I
Speaker 1: have to do is go to themomwars dot substack dot com. Bethany,
Speaker 1: what do you make of the deadline? Wow?
Speaker 13: So I actually was just recording my podcast and did
Speaker 13: not hear that updates.
Speaker 14: That is very interesting.
Speaker 13: I think that the president is very good at keeping
Speaker 13: his word, and that is something that makes him very
Speaker 13: powerful when he goes into a negotiation, because you know
Speaker 13: that when he says something, he means and it's you know,
Speaker 13: you want to rewind to what the Obama administration said
Speaker 13: with their redline in Syria, you knew that they never
Speaker 13: meant it. With President Trump, he's just crazy enough that
Speaker 13: he might be telling the truth always.
Speaker 1: Now he posted earlier today, and I'm sure I will
Speaker 1: hear the commentary. Quintet denounced this tomorrow because it's not
Speaker 1: in keeping with their vibe. A whole civilization will die tonight,
Speaker 1: never to be brought back again. I don't want that
Speaker 1: to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we
Speaker 1: have complete and total regime change, where different, smarter and
Speaker 1: less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen.
Speaker 1: Who knows. We will find out tonight one of the
Speaker 1: most important moments in the long and complex history of
Speaker 1: the world. Forty seven years of extortion, corruption and death
Speaker 1: will finally end. God, I'd bless the great people of Iran.
Speaker 1: Now the left is reading the first line and denouncing Trump.
Speaker 1: I'm reading the whole post and concluding it's aimed at
Speaker 1: the Iranian government to impress upon them they will be
Speaker 1: destroyed if they do not concede the major points. How
Speaker 1: do you react to that post?
Speaker 13: I hear Selena Selena Zito's voice in my head. Take
Speaker 13: him seriously, but not literally. I can't believe she said
Speaker 13: it ten years ago and we're still learning this lesson.
Speaker 14: It's a negotiation tactic. This he does this all the time.
Speaker 13: He goes to an eleven always, and then he's negotiated
Speaker 13: back four steps and he's he's at five. Whereas the
Speaker 13: Obama ministration would go to A two and they'd negotiate
Speaker 13: them to a one. This is President Trump won a one.
Speaker 13: I'm not horrified by it. I'm honestly a little amused
Speaker 13: by it because it plays the same pattern that we've
Speaker 13: seen him do over and over and over, and it's effective,
Speaker 13: and they're going.
Speaker 1: To translate it into PARESI and not know what to do.
Speaker 1: Bethanie I, I really am amazed that people, after eleven years,
Speaker 1: they still don't get Donald Trump. You just summarized how
Speaker 1: he does this, and they still don't get it. And
Speaker 1: I think part of that is aesthetic and part of
Speaker 1: it is ideological. But it doesn't matter to me. I've
Speaker 1: been doing this show for twenty six years almost I
Speaker 1: have been consistently a foe of striking Iranian nuclear undertaking.
Speaker 1: If Obama had done it wouldn't be that hard right now.
Speaker 1: If w had gone from Iraqan to Iran, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been that hard right now. If Clinton hadn't caved
Speaker 1: in North Korea, you wouldn't have set up this. I
Speaker 1: think this is at the end of a very long
Speaker 1: road which expands back to Jimmy Carter and not dealing
Speaker 1: with this problem, which is metastatic.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 13: And what's funny is so I'm on my computer right
Speaker 13: now and I see my text messages pop up, and
Speaker 13: I just saw a message that my friend her neighbors
Speaker 13: invited her over to a civilization is ending dinner tonight.
Speaker 13: They're all hysterical, and it's funny to me because they're
Speaker 13: viewing President Trump as the existential threat to civilization and society.
Speaker 13: My doomsday back clock is not ticking any faster today
Speaker 13: than it was yesterday, but it's they're treating the threat
Speaker 13: as Trump instead of Iran, which it always has.
Speaker 1: Been to they understand. I had Ambassador or on yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I've been following the times of visual fairly closely.
Speaker 1: I know you have friends in Jerusalem and in Tel Aviv.
Speaker 1: The barrages have been an ending from Hesbalalah. It's dozens
Speaker 1: and dozens and dozen, and Ambassadora never complains, but he's weary.
Speaker 1: He's very as all of Israel must be. And this
Speaker 1: is the access of resistance. It's not Trump who built
Speaker 1: the access of resistance.
Speaker 13: No, my friends are exhausted to their bones. They have
Speaker 13: been woken up two or three times a night. It
Speaker 13: was funny, I texted one of my friends yesterday in Israel.
Speaker 13: He is in modi En and I texted him and
Speaker 13: I said, are you awake right now? Because it was
Speaker 13: one o'clock in the morning his time, and I put
Speaker 13: in parentheses, maybe the Iranians woke you up? And he
Speaker 13: responded to me three hours later, Yes they did. It's
Speaker 13: four am, and I'm up.
Speaker 14: What's up?
Speaker 13: This is the life they're living and it's not sustainable
Speaker 13: and the only way to take this out is to
Speaker 13: take out Iran and take out Hesbla. And they're they're joined.
Speaker 14: At the hip.
Speaker 1: Now. I have read that the idea FS advanced to
Speaker 1: the Latani. They have taken the high ground south of
Speaker 1: the Latani so that the anti tank missiles cannot hit
Speaker 1: Galilee anymore. Have you seen that confirmed? But I don't
Speaker 1: know if you have friends in the north, do you.
Speaker 13: I don't not that far north, and so many people
Speaker 13: have left the North that even if they did normally
Speaker 13: live there. I have friends who lived in that region
Speaker 13: and they're vacationing right now near Gaza, actually because it's
Speaker 13: it's calmer and more pleasant near Gaza.
Speaker 14: Right now, well, you know.
Speaker 1: I think I'll be long retired and maybe in my
Speaker 1: reward before the idea leaves Lebanon this time, I'm really
Speaker 1: really sort of resigned to that. Do you agree with
Speaker 1: my assessment?
Speaker 13: Unfortunately, probably unless something drastic happens, which you know has
Speaker 13: happened every thirty seconds for the last five years. Something
Speaker 13: drastic happens, so you know, anything's possible.
Speaker 1: And I've got check on net and Yahoo and his base.
Speaker 1: How do you assess it? From here?
Speaker 13: I try not to opine on Israeli politics because I
Speaker 13: don't want to understand it.
Speaker 14: They're all so crazy over there.
Speaker 13: My read on it is no one seems to like
Speaker 13: him very much, and that hasn't really changed, but he's
Speaker 13: still there. He's got the staying power of a cockroach.
Speaker 13: And I don't say that in a nasty way. I
Speaker 13: personally don't really care either way, but nothing really is
Speaker 13: going to get rid of that man.
Speaker 1: I agree he is as John pod Or, it's like
Speaker 1: to say, the preeminent politician of our time, Anthony Mandel.
Speaker 1: Follow her on exit, Bethany Shandark go to the mom
Speaker 1: Wars dot substack dot com. Welcome back to America. I'm
Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt. A couple of updates. The president has told
Speaker 1: the press through Carolyn Levitt that he's considering the proposal.
Speaker 1: Via the President of Pakistan and the exile of Crown
Speaker 1: Prince of Iran raised up Alav has called on the
Speaker 1: army to rise up against the IRGC. I'm joined now
Speaker 1: by Byron Yorky of Fox News, contributor of Fame and
Speaker 1: lead correspondent for The Washington Examiner. Byron, I know you're
Speaker 1: not in the prediction business, You're in the analysis business.
Speaker 1: What'd you make of the President's post this morning and
Speaker 1: the reaction there too?
Speaker 7: Well, I thought it was a pretty stunning post. I
Speaker 7: have to tell you. Uh it was. You know, I
Speaker 7: understood the you know a lot of people's objections to
Speaker 7: the Eastern Morning post was really just on the sort
Speaker 7: of propriety of it. You know, why would you do
Speaker 7: this on Eastern Morning?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 7: But today, you know, a whole civilization will die tonight,
Speaker 7: never to be brought back again. Don't want it to happen,
Speaker 7: but it probably will. You know, that was kind of
Speaker 7: a stunning.
Speaker 1: And then it's been going on for forty seven years.
Speaker 1: God bless the Iranian people. I really like a.
Speaker 7: Lawyer, you you know, to say it's been going on
Speaker 7: forty seven years. The entire presidency of Ronald Reagan passed
Speaker 7: during this time when Iran was at war with the
Speaker 7: United States. Okay, the entire presidency with George H. W. Bush,
Speaker 7: of Bill Clinton, of George W.
Speaker 1: Bush.
Speaker 7: I mean, all of these presidents past, and they did
Speaker 7: not go to war over this with Iran. And so
Speaker 7: I mean to suggest, I think that this is absolutely
Speaker 7: urgent matter that's been waiting forty seven years and has
Speaker 7: to happen tonight is probably I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to complain to think I'm saying that the
Speaker 1: post is qualified by the ending, that the beginning of
Speaker 1: the post is qualified by the ending of the year
Speaker 1: of the post. He puts forty seven years.
Speaker 7: Actually that I don't know. It depends on what you
Speaker 7: mean by civilization. Maybe right, But you know, you have
Speaker 7: to remember what was the goal. The goal is to
Speaker 7: keep or Ran from having a nuclear weapon, and that goal,
Speaker 7: to my knowledge, has already been achieved for some significant
Speaker 7: period of time into the future. And I do not
Speaker 7: believe anything can be done forever.
Speaker 1: But I believe that the relevant precedent for US is
Speaker 1: what happened with North Korea. It was too early, It
Speaker 1: was too early it was too early. It was too early,
Speaker 1: and then it was too late because they assembled the
Speaker 1: necessary conventional forces that could have destroyed Soul, so we
Speaker 1: could not attack their nuclear weapons program. And so all
Speaker 1: those presidents you mentioned, they all said Iran couldn't have
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon. Well, now we've gone after their nuclear
Speaker 1: capacity once one time, one strike, they began to rebuild it. Again,
Speaker 1: we went after it a second time, and they closed
Speaker 1: the straight to where moved, so they escalated. We have
Speaker 1: to control the ladder of escalation. I don't see an alternative.
Speaker 7: Well, what happens when you get to the top of
Speaker 7: the ladder of escalation.
Speaker 1: You continue to run what Clinton ran over Iraq for
Speaker 1: ten years, a no fly zone in which George HW.
Speaker 1: Bush continued George H. W Bush began and Bill Clinton continued,
Speaker 1: a ten year no fly zone that strikes everything that
Speaker 1: could be part of reconstituted. But they've got to open
Speaker 1: the strait. Now, this can end tonight at seven point thirty.
Speaker 1: If they say Straight's open, we get they control the
Speaker 1: ladder of escalation.
Speaker 7: Well, the Strait was not an issue prior to this
Speaker 7: invasion or this attack. The first US Israeli attack, was it?
Speaker 1: Yes, it was because they've whatever power that they are
Speaker 1: now demonstrating, they have always possessed. What they have done
Speaker 1: is revealed the world what they will do, which is
Speaker 1: attack fourteen countries in a fanatic, religious, lunatic way. And
Speaker 1: they were beginning to rebuild what had been obliterated a
Speaker 1: year ago. What was the president supposed to do? Let
Speaker 1: them rebuild it?
Speaker 7: No, the whole point is to keep Iran from getting
Speaker 7: a nuclear weapon, correct, which the world has successfully done
Speaker 7: up to this point and can continue to do up
Speaker 7: to this point without destroying any civilizations.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not going to destroy the Irion civilization. And
Speaker 1: I don't think it's even possible to read that post
Speaker 1: and read it as other than intended for the regime
Speaker 1: to mean. I mean business. I will destroy the bridges
Speaker 1: and the power plants, which by the way, is not
Speaker 1: a war crime. Anyone who ever seen the bridges tooko
Speaker 1: re or the bridge over the river. Bridges are targets,
Speaker 1: so are power plants. So what do you think he's
Speaker 1: going to do. I think he's going to bomb me
Speaker 1: around tonight unless they open the straight unqualifiedly immediately.
Speaker 7: Well, as I said, you know, the post on Sunday
Speaker 7: power Plant, which specifically talked about bridges and power plants.
Speaker 7: I think most of the opposition to that was just
Speaker 7: in terms of the quorum. Yes, but it wasn't, at
Speaker 7: least mine wasn't the substance of it. I thought it
Speaker 7: wasn't the greatest Eastern message in the world, but you know,
Speaker 7: it wasn't the substance of it. What does Trump do?
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, we're having another one of these
Speaker 7: sort of wait for the exciting conclusion of tonight's episode
Speaker 7: issues where they're talking now about some sort of deal.
Speaker 7: Could there be some sort of deal? The Pakistani minister
Speaker 7: has a plan for a ceasefire, and the President says
Speaker 7: he'll look at it. You know what's going on. So
Speaker 7: my guess is you don't see an attack tonight. But
Speaker 7: I wouldn't bet on it. I wouldn't bet in either way.
Speaker 1: You know, if they capitulate, it will be the greatest
Speaker 1: foreign policy success. The United States is the chief since
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, and that includes the fall of Saddam
Speaker 1: because we didn't secure the country afterward, and we will
Speaker 1: not have done it with boots on the ground. I'm
Speaker 1: not a big favor of regime democracy planting anymore. But
Speaker 1: I do believe this is necessari because I cannot imagine
Speaker 1: my grandchildren living with iron with sixty percent and rich
Speaker 1: uranium a week away from breakout. They're crazy. I'll give
Speaker 1: you the last word.
Speaker 7: Buy well here in there are bad regimes in the world.
Speaker 7: There are crazy regimes in the world. You have to
Speaker 7: control them. And up until now we have met, even
Speaker 7: with the terrible mistake, let's call it the mistake of
Speaker 7: Barack Obama, we have managed to keep the West has
Speaker 7: managed to keep Iran away from a nuclear missile. The
Speaker 7: point is to make sure they don't have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 7: Keep doing that. At the president's press conference yesterday with
Speaker 7: General Cain and Hegseth and Ratcliff, he said, people.
Speaker 12: Keep asking me, why are you going to do this?
Speaker 7: Why are you got to do this? And I said
Speaker 7: Iran cannot be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. That
Speaker 7: is the fundamental goal here.
Speaker 1: And I agree. And he said that many, many, many times.
Speaker 1: He repeats the manger message again in a and again
Speaker 1: and again. But now the subsidiary message is stop screwing
Speaker 1: with your neighbors who are not combatants and open the strait.
Speaker 1: And they're pirates. They're lunatics, but we will see tonight.
Speaker 1: Byron York. Always go to talk to you. Fall him
Speaker 1: on Exit Byron York, read him in the Washington Examiner,
Speaker 1: and see him on Fox News. Don't go anywhere, America.
Speaker 1: I'm coming right back. Lilax is coming up, and then
Speaker 1: I'm gona just take a break from Iran because we
Speaker 1: got countdown talk. John Coleman, lead contribute to Harvard Business Review,
Speaker 1: has written a new book, Good Money, and Good Money
Speaker 1: is about the right way to approach thinking about money.
Speaker 1: I thought we'd take a break from Iran all the
Speaker 1: time around the time, so I will continue to bring
Speaker 1: you updates as necessary. Don't go anywhere, stay soon. I'll
Speaker 1: be right back. I'm the hugeish.
Speaker 7: Place speaking of foreign land with weapons and every hand.
Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh youwett morning Glory and
Speaker 1: eating grace. I am playing on for the love of
Speaker 1: America because it was originally brought to my attention by
Speaker 1: my guest James Lilacs, probably twenty four years ago, after
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, maybe twenty three years ago. Is that
Speaker 1: when you first introduced me to that, James, I think that.
Speaker 3: Was about it.
Speaker 15: Yes, right after the war we were gearing up. We
Speaker 15: felt like we were back in a World War two
Speaker 15: sort of ethos. But we wondered if we had the
Speaker 15: will of the means, And that song was a reminder
Speaker 15: of a time when they also wondered if they had
Speaker 15: the will of the means, but bucked themselves up with
Speaker 15: good patriotic songs.
Speaker 1: So we are three hours away from the deadline, a
Speaker 1: little bit less than three hours at eight pm. B
Speaker 1: fifty two's are said to have taken off from England.
Speaker 1: It's about the flight time would get them there around
Speaker 1: eight o'clock. I want everyone who didn't hear the first
Speaker 1: two hours to hear one thing. It is not a
Speaker 1: war crime to hit bridges or power plants. If those
Speaker 1: bridges are power plants, support your enemies political regime and
Speaker 1: military outfit. But boy at the left lost its mind. James,
Speaker 1: have you been following this today?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 15: I have, and I think part of the reason is
Speaker 15: that that was really an extraordinary tweet. That was a
Speaker 15: tweet for the ages, and I assume that you've been
Speaker 15: talking about it for the last couple of hours. A
Speaker 15: whole civilization will die tonight, that you know, that's that
Speaker 15: is the meanest I think of the mean tweets for
Speaker 15: which Donald Trump has been accused of making. I'm not
Speaker 15: sure what that means. I mean, does he mean the regime?
Speaker 15: Does he re mean that? Does he mean the civilization
Speaker 15: of Islamic oppression over Iran? Because it sounds like, sorry, Persia,
Speaker 15: ye had a nice long.
Speaker 3: Run, but it's over tonight.
Speaker 15: I don't know what exactly that means, although I do
Speaker 15: love that when he says, maybe there'll be something revolutionarily,
Speaker 15: which is actually a word. See he can make that up.
Speaker 15: He says, who knows, which is I sort the sort
Speaker 15: of strategic ambiguity. I think that we enjoy the situations, like.
Speaker 1: The exact language because he at the end of it
Speaker 1: he said, and God bless the Iranian people. It was
Speaker 1: a classic Trump You know, when he's talking about Iranian civilization,
Speaker 1: I think he's talking about the IRGC and the artache,
Speaker 1: not destroying Persia and laying waste to it the way
Speaker 1: we did to Tokyo or the bridge did to Hamburg
Speaker 1: and other plays. We're not doing carpet bombing.
Speaker 3: We're not doing that.
Speaker 15: No, no, we're not. We're not We're not going to
Speaker 15: reduce Tehran to ashes. I mean, what remains to be hit.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 15: I mean from what I've been hearing and reading, there
Speaker 15: are all these underground cities we collapsed, the entrances, they
Speaker 15: get the construction cruise, they open them up again, They
Speaker 15: haul out three or four missiles, and on and on
Speaker 15: our dose. I assume that they have a list of
Speaker 15: targets which will be strategically crucial for anybody to keep going.
Speaker 3: Power, of course is handy and necessary.
Speaker 15: But what I love when people were saying, well, and
Speaker 15: of course after Trump made that statement to the Iridians
Speaker 15: immediately broke off negotiations.
Speaker 3: Who do you think, I don't know who we're talking to.
Speaker 15: Whether or not we're talking to some political entity that
Speaker 15: has absolutely no control of the military as well, or
Speaker 15: whether or not we're talking to it rosa group that
Speaker 15: would like to slip it and take power when all
Speaker 15: a said and done.
Speaker 3: But the idea somehow that the Iranians are negotiating in.
Speaker 15: Good faith at this point, like all the other points,
Speaker 15: and that they just stormed away from the table because
Speaker 15: something crazy was said is.
Speaker 3: A bit ridiculous. So we read the whole size.
Speaker 1: This is the truth. Social notes a whole civilization will
Speaker 1: die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't
Speaker 1: want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now
Speaker 1: that we have wait and you've got to go to
Speaker 1: the end stuff right there?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right?
Speaker 1: However, now that we have complete and total regime change,
Speaker 1: where different, smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something
Speaker 1: revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? All in cap we
Speaker 1: will find out tonight one of the most important moments
Speaker 1: in the long and complex history of the world. Forty
Speaker 1: seven years of extortion, corruption and death will finally end.
Speaker 1: God bless the great people of Iran.
Speaker 15: Revolutionarily Yeah, revolutionarily wonderful sounds like a lyric you would
Speaker 15: find it, and you know in Seid of the musical
Speaker 15: seventeen seventy six. But if something, if the civilization is
Speaker 15: going to die, then that means that it's bad. That
Speaker 15: that means it's the Iranian regime. But he doesn't want
Speaker 15: it to happen. Why doesn't he want it to happen? Again,
Speaker 15: I'm not the most clear concise.
Speaker 1: I would have written it differently, but I would have
Speaker 1: said the regime that has ruined Iran for forty seven
Speaker 1: years will come to an end tonight and they still
Speaker 1: have a chance to do this peacefully. But the great people,
Speaker 1: I would God bless the great people of Iran. I'd
Speaker 1: leave that last line in. But James, I want to
Speaker 1: go back to whether or not the talk of war
Speaker 1: crimes this is absurd. I took international law in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: I've been studying it, teaching parts of it in kam
Speaker 1: law for thirty years now. If you target dual use infrastructure,
Speaker 1: it's not a war crime. We did that in Yugoslavia,
Speaker 1: we did that in Libya. Why is this all of
Speaker 1: a sudden a talking.
Speaker 3: Point reaching and grasping Ukraine.
Speaker 15: I believe blew up a bridge in Russia today or yesterday,
Speaker 15: and odd no one is talking about that being a
Speaker 15: war crime. Ukraine did it because the Russians were moving
Speaker 15: material all across it to go kill more Ukrainians and
Speaker 15: capture more soil. So Ukraine has nevery right to go
Speaker 15: and do that, and no one's mentioning that.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 15: I have to think that a couple of bridges were
Speaker 15: probably taken out during World War Two.
Speaker 3: I don't think that they said.
Speaker 15: No, leave that we don't want to be brought up
Speaker 15: in the dock after the war's over. It's preposterous, it
Speaker 15: is ridiculous, But again they have to say something because
Speaker 15: the general overall idea, the course of this is to
Speaker 15: liberate the Iranian people and make it so that women
Speaker 15: can walk around with their hair showing without being bitten
Speaker 15: by sticks, by mino jump out of cars. And since
Speaker 15: it's hard to get to be against that, they have
Speaker 15: to find all sorts of alternative means to scream about it.
Speaker 15: And there you are, it's the latest thing. Knock the
Speaker 15: ice right off the table. There for people who were
Speaker 15: getting upset about it, would seem.
Speaker 1: Do you think everyone has forgotten that the regime The
Speaker 1: president used the number fifty thousand yesterday, the Crown Prince
Speaker 1: of Iran's on my program. The low end was thirty
Speaker 1: five thousand murdered in January, So I've been using the
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand number. What can you say about a
Speaker 1: regime that murdered thirty five thousand of its own people.
Speaker 1: They're not good people.
Speaker 15: No, absolutely not, and it's completely in keeping with what
Speaker 15: they have always been. That's why the idea, somehow that
Speaker 15: we just decided for some strange reason, to go over
Speaker 15: there and make trouble with her on when Iran has
Speaker 15: been absolutely at our throats, intellectually, spiritually, militarily, terrorist wise
Speaker 15: for forty seven years. It's ridiculous, DoD I mean give
Speaker 15: Trump credit for this. He was talking about the need
Speaker 15: for regime change a long long time ago.
Speaker 3: I mean back when he was doing Oprah shows.
Speaker 15: So it's not something that is just suddenly he decided
Speaker 15: to fixate on to distract attention from Epstein, which is
Speaker 15: which just what you hear on the left over and
Speaker 15: over and over again. This is all about a wag
Speaker 15: my dog to keep people from looking at the Epstein files.
Speaker 3: Please.
Speaker 15: People have forgotten about the Epstein files. People have forgotten
Speaker 15: that we sent a rocket.
Speaker 1: To the moon.
Speaker 15: It's going to be news to a lot of people
Speaker 15: when that thing splashes down. It's like, what did they
Speaker 15: go up in seventy one and never come back? I mean,
Speaker 15: the attention span at this point is short, and the
Speaker 15: information quantity seems to be.
Speaker 1: Well, let me talk about when Artemis is a big
Speaker 1: story and I'm I'm a big fan of that particular mission,
Speaker 1: but I am a bigger fan of the rescue mission
Speaker 1: and the extraordinary mission within a mission, we've sign a
Speaker 1: bunch of B twos. In the middle of that, forty
Speaker 1: five hours of getting the two airmen, we sent a
Speaker 1: bunch of B twos to bomb a command center with
Speaker 1: the IRGC and once again ill advisedly gathered and we
Speaker 1: knew about it and we hit that. What did you
Speaker 1: make of that rescue. I'm still not over it. I'm
Speaker 1: still talking about it.
Speaker 3: It's extraordinary and it's very much America.
Speaker 15: As somebody pointed out on Twitter that in the space
Speaker 15: of X number of hours we had sent this entire
Speaker 15: force in there to rescue our people and also just
Speaker 15: shot a rocket at the moon. That's America. That's the
Speaker 15: America that we love. That's the America that can do things.
Speaker 15: It was a remarkable operation and it reminds you again
Speaker 15: we're not where we were back in the Carter eras
Speaker 15: when the first Delta Force mission really did not do
Speaker 15: so well at the whole setting.
Speaker 3: Up a base and trying to rescue.
Speaker 15: People think we're much better at it, and we're incredible
Speaker 15: at it, and the world knows it and sees what
Speaker 15: we do. There were those who were saying, we don't
Speaker 15: understand why you would expand so much material and so
Speaker 15: many airframes to rescue a few people.
Speaker 3: That's the American difference.
Speaker 15: We're not going to leave them on the battlefield like
Speaker 15: the Russians and have people drag them back with you
Speaker 15: with chains if they dragged them.
Speaker 3: Back at all. No, they're important, they're alive. We're going
Speaker 3: to go get them.
Speaker 15: And the story of one man hold out with a
Speaker 15: pistol gets rescued on the Easter. It just makes the
Speaker 15: whole thing make you say, when is the movie coming out?
Speaker 3: Because there's going to be a movie.
Speaker 1: Right There be many a movie. And I liked your mind. People.
Speaker 1: We've been doing it this way since we've been flying.
Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush, President Bush, the first pulled out
Speaker 1: of the drink twice when he got shot down as
Speaker 1: a fighter pilot in World War Two. I had a
Speaker 1: friend Tim Cook. I have a friend Tim Cook who
Speaker 1: flew over Vietnam repeatedly, always aware that they would try
Speaker 1: and come and get you, and occasionally they would if
Speaker 1: you got shot down. But it was tough in the
Speaker 1: jungles of Iran. I'm just amazed at how they threw
Speaker 1: it together in forty five hours. Nothing in America. I don't.
Speaker 15: Well, it does if you're motivated, and if he does,
Speaker 15: if you're these guys, and it does if you have
Speaker 15: a meritocracy where people are based on skill and rewarded
Speaker 15: as such, Yes, then it would put these guys in
Speaker 15: charge of California High Speed Rail and you'd probably have
Speaker 15: that thing opening within eight months.
Speaker 1: Don't give them any ideas, Lilax. Please don't suggest that
Speaker 1: I don't want it to open in forty five days.
Speaker 1: But you're right if they'd put a military. When I
Speaker 1: first built the Nixon Library, I hired a marine retired
Speaker 1: colonel to make sure that I didn't screw it up
Speaker 1: too badly. Jim O'Brien, if you're listening still, thank you, Lilax.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Read him over at James Lylas dot substack
Speaker 1: dot com James Lilacs dot substack dot com. We'll just
Speaker 1: head right over to lilights dot com and get the
Speaker 1: free version, but the substack is well worth your money.
Speaker 1: Change Lylens dot substack dot com. Coming back with John Coleman,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. You've met John Coleman.
Speaker 1: If you're a long time listening to the program. He
Speaker 1: is a graduate of Harvard Business School, Harvard Kennedy School,
Speaker 1: longtime friend of the program. Now he's the author of
Speaker 1: a brand new book called Good Money. That's right, Good Money,
Speaker 1: Six Steps to Take to make your financial help. I
Speaker 1: haven't got the subtitle down, John, welcome, give me the
Speaker 1: subtitle of the book again.
Speaker 16: Yeah, Six Steps to building a financial life with purpose.
Speaker 16: And thanks so much for having me on here. It's
Speaker 16: a privilege to be here.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm pretty interested in this. I want to give
Speaker 1: people your background. You're a graduate of Harvard Business School,
Speaker 1: you're graduate of the Harvard Kennedy School. You're contributing writer
Speaker 1: to the Harvard Business Review. And I guess they have
Speaker 1: a program on human flourishing. What is that program about.
Speaker 16: John, Yeah, So Harvard has an incredible program on human flourishing,
Speaker 16: which is actually an academic study center headed by a
Speaker 16: guy named Tyler Vanderweel and collaboratively with Baylor and Gallup,
Speaker 16: they now have the largest study of human flourishing in
Speaker 16: the world.
Speaker 4: So they've surveyed a few hundred.
Speaker 16: Thousand people about the elements of human flourishing and have
Speaker 16: really developed one of the most academically rigorous frameworks around it.
Speaker 16: And it's something through both my writing and my professional
Speaker 16: career as an investor that I've dug into with them
Speaker 16: and am able to reflect in the book now to outline,
Speaker 16: because if you're going to think about using money to
Speaker 16: create a good life, you have to start with this
Speaker 16: idea of what is a good life, and that program
Speaker 16: helps to answer what components of a good life make
Speaker 16: it possible.
Speaker 1: I also want the audience to know you know which
Speaker 1: you speak. You came out of HBS. I think you
Speaker 1: went right to McKenzie, then at Vesco and on and
Speaker 1: on and on. Now you're running Sovereign's Wealth. Have I
Speaker 1: got that right?
Speaker 16: Yes, Sovereign's Capital. And the book is really the intersection
Speaker 16: of these two streams that I've had in my life.
Speaker 16: One for about fifteen years, I've been one of hbr's
Speaker 16: principal writers on purpose, human flourishing and meaning. And then
Speaker 16: on the other, I've spent my life as an investor,
Speaker 16: building some acumen with investment investment management, obviously, but also
Speaker 16: dealing with wealthy families and institutions, and so I had
Speaker 16: noticed there was a gap in the market trying to
Speaker 16: understand this intersection of purpose, meaning and human flourishing and
Speaker 16: the way to use money well, which is what I'm
Speaker 16: surrounded by in my day job. And Sovereign's Capital to
Speaker 16: you today is a values oring investment firm. So we
Speaker 16: actually try and incorporate these principles of human flourishing into
Speaker 16: the work that we do within the companies that we
Speaker 16: purchase or invest in.
Speaker 4: And so it's a really neat.
Speaker 16: Thing to be able to synthesize that in this book
Speaker 16: and connect those two topics more deeply.
Speaker 1: Now, John Coleman, Good Money. Before we get to that,
Speaker 1: I had Arthur Brookshawn last week talking about how to
Speaker 1: build your life. Well, Arthur, wasn't there when you were there?
Speaker 1: Was Clayton Christiansen teaching this stuff? I mean, where did
Speaker 1: you get the impetus to think this way?
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 16: Clay Christensen is just such a marvelous human being and
Speaker 16: we all miss him very much. And indeed, Clay was
Speaker 16: one of those formative people I had a number of
Speaker 16: great professors at Harvard Business School. You know, I've been
Speaker 16: really concerned with this idea of purpose and meaning and
Speaker 16: flourishing throughout my life, Hugh, partially because of my faith background,
Speaker 16: so I'm a Christian. That's obviously central to the faith
Speaker 16: that I have, and I've constantly fretted over this idea,
Speaker 16: how do I create greater flourishing in the life of
Speaker 16: my family, but also as a mission in life for me?
Speaker 4: How do I create.
Speaker 16: Opportunities for others and try and enable purpose, meaning and
Speaker 16: flourishing in their lives. Clay Christiensen has leaned into that,
Speaker 16: and I was privileged to be able to learn from him.
Speaker 16: David Gergan, who was at the Kennedy School while I
Speaker 16: was there, I was someone who was great for that.
Speaker 16: Arthur Brooks has been a great person to get to
Speaker 16: know since his AI days before he went to Harvard.
Speaker 16: And there's just so much great work going on in
Speaker 16: the world right now around this topic, and I think
Speaker 16: it's needed because we see in culture a dearth of purpose,
Speaker 16: meaning in human flourishing, and that's something I think all
Speaker 16: of us are trying to speak into more comprehensively.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: Claik Christiansen wrote the book How to Measure a Life,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was one of the best books
Speaker 1: I've ever read about performance and metrics that make a
Speaker 1: lot of sense for one individual's life. Let's turn to
Speaker 1: good money, and again good money, the subtitle of which
Speaker 1: is I want to get to write six steps of
Speaker 1: building a financial life with purpose. All right. Step number
Speaker 1: one change the way you think about money. That's a
Speaker 1: pretty big that's a pretty big gulp.
Speaker 16: Yes, And you know, essential to that really is this
Speaker 16: idea of understanding that money is a means, not an end,
Speaker 16: to human flourishing. And that's the very first mindset I
Speaker 16: try and address when I talked through the framework from
Speaker 16: Harvard that I've leaned into. There are five intrinsically meaningful
Speaker 16: things you can do with your life. Positive relationships, character
Speaker 16: and virtue, meaning and purpose, happiness and life satisfaction, physical, mental,
Speaker 16: and spiritual health. The six category is financial and material stability.
Speaker 4: Money. But money is really.
Speaker 16: Just a means to achieving those more intrinsically good things.
Speaker 16: And if you focus on it too much, if you
Speaker 16: make it and ends, it can actually be in conflict
Speaker 16: with your ability to build with great relationships or.
Speaker 4: Character and virtue.
Speaker 16: So I try and anchor people around that, and then
Speaker 16: also anchor them in this idea of enough. You know,
Speaker 16: the hardest question to answer in money is how much
Speaker 16: is enough? It's been perennial. I talk about a Tulsoy
Speaker 16: short story in the book to demonstrate he was thinking
Speaker 16: about it. There are some great quotes from John Rockefeller
Speaker 16: when they asked him at the height of his wealth,
Speaker 16: how much is enough, John, or how much more do
Speaker 16: you need? And he said just a little bit more.
Speaker 16: And we all think that way. And so I encourage
Speaker 16: people to reflect on it as a means in and
Speaker 16: also to put a real framework around how much money
Speaker 16: is enough for me to achieve these other more intrinsically
Speaker 16: meaningful things. And then how do I use any money
Speaker 16: beyond that to lean into those things through generosity, through
Speaker 16: business building, through better spending habits, et cetera, rather than
Speaker 16: just acquiring more and more, which is a cycle we
Speaker 16: get stuck in called the hedonic treadmill, where we're constantly
Speaker 16: just chasing more in the work that we do.
Speaker 4: And so those are a couple of mindsets I anchor on.
Speaker 1: So John, first hard question, You don't know how much
Speaker 1: you'll need when you start right. You have no idea
Speaker 1: if there's going to be illnessed or accident or tragedy,
Speaker 1: or children with special needs. You just don't know. So
Speaker 1: how do you guide people on the idea that we
Speaker 1: can figure out how much is enough?
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's right, Hugh. And everyone's life situation is different,
Speaker 16: so there's not a number outlined in the book where
Speaker 16: I say this is enough for you. People do have
Speaker 16: different needs. We have a child with special needs, for example,
Speaker 16: we've got parents who are aging.
Speaker 4: All of those things factor into what you need. I
Speaker 4: think the key.
Speaker 16: Discussion that spouse's should be having with each other, with
Speaker 16: their broader network of friends or a financial advisor is
Speaker 16: what is the lifestyle that we want to lead and
Speaker 16: what does that look like, so that you have a
Speaker 16: concept of that and what you think that network target
Speaker 16: or income target is to address that, because the trap
Speaker 16: that you're trying to avoid is lifestyle escalation. You know,
Speaker 16: the typical person, when they make a little bit more
Speaker 16: at a job, their income goes up, but their spending
Speaker 16: goes up right along with it, right, And that's why
Speaker 16: it's called the hedonic treadmill, because we get caught kind
Speaker 16: of chasing escalating lifestyle as our income goes up, even
Speaker 16: though that escalating lifestyle, especially material things, often doesn't make
Speaker 16: you happier. In fact, there's some evidence that acquiring material
Speaker 16: things can actually be negative for happiness, fulfillment and purpose
Speaker 16: over time if focused improperly.
Speaker 4: And so I get him to think.
Speaker 16: About the lifestyle, the type of house, the type of education,
Speaker 16: the types of expenditures they need to make make that
Speaker 16: decision for themselves, and then a course of tragedy strikes.
Speaker 16: If you can encounter a complicated life circumstance, like someone
Speaker 16: with health problems, you can adjust that over time to
Speaker 16: reflect your life. But it's really stepping off the treadmill
Speaker 16: and being more conscious of the material things that you're
Speaker 16: accumulating and how your lifestyle is escalating.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be right back with John Coleman. He's
Speaker 1: the author of the brand new book Good Money, Six Steps,
Speaker 1: Six Steps to building a financial life with Purpose. So
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere except maybe over to Amazon to find
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Speaker 1: back in America. I'm here with John Coleman, author of
Speaker 1: the brand new book Good Money. You'll find good Money
Speaker 1: at Amazon, at Barnes and Noble wherever books are sold.
Speaker 1: And because it's both a self help book and a
Speaker 1: finance book, a lot of people are going to wonder
Speaker 1: about the six steps of building a financial life with purpose,
Speaker 1: and they want the outline version of it. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you the outline version of it. But first, John,
Speaker 1: how did you end up you don't know any South
Speaker 1: in your mouth? How did you end up so deeply
Speaker 1: involved in Georgia's stuff? Oh, I was.
Speaker 16: Born in Florida, Actually, Hugh, I tell the story bit
Speaker 16: in a book. My dad was a rodeo cowboy.
Speaker 4: When I was born. We lived in a single wide
Speaker 4: mobile home in Florida.
Speaker 16: My mom cut hair and so I don't know how
Speaker 16: I didn't get an accent. I grew up in Columbus, Georgia.
Speaker 16: Primarily I joke with my parents. I maybe watch too
Speaker 16: much TV. But if you met my extended family you
Speaker 16: definitely hear more of that Georgia and North Florida accent.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 1: Dad was a rodeo guy.
Speaker 16: Yeah, he wrote bulls in saddle bronc courses. So, Hugh,
Speaker 16: I've been a perpetual disappointment to my father. There's no
Speaker 16: way to really live up to that level of adventure
Speaker 16: and masculinity, you.
Speaker 4: Know everything, actually, but my mom is very happy.
Speaker 1: It intersects with my worst moment on the radio. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that story. An other time happened at
Speaker 1: the Rodeo National Finals in Las Vegas, when I was
Speaker 1: talking to a world champion bull rider. But another time.
Speaker 1: Prioritize purpose in your working career. Step two. Okay, how
Speaker 1: is a twenty four year old supposed to do that?
Speaker 1: Let's say that's the average HBS graduate or if you
Speaker 1: go back for an executive NBA at thirty five, how
Speaker 1: do you prioritize purpose? Yeah.
Speaker 16: The simple way that I think about this is there
Speaker 16: is really no success without significance. So in our culture,
Speaker 16: there's this idea I can just bear down, take a
Speaker 16: job for the money, become successful, and then I'll figure
Speaker 16: out how to make my life significant. And I think
Speaker 16: that mindset is actually behind all the disengagement we see.
Speaker 16: So if you look at surveys right now, only around
Speaker 16: twenty percent of people say that they get a significant
Speaker 16: source of meaning and purpose from their work. In the
Speaker 16: United States, which is catastrophic. That's where you spend most
Speaker 16: of your time forty to fifty sixty hours a week,
Speaker 16: and so I have this idea that almost any job
Speaker 16: can be meaningful, but we have to look for the
Speaker 16: opportunities to really build out those sources of meaning and
Speaker 16: purpose in our work. I interviewed a bus driver actually
Speaker 16: for my last book on Purpose with HBr and he
Speaker 16: had made this job a bus driver intrinsically meaningful by
Speaker 16: viewing himself as a caretaker for the kids on his bus,
Speaker 16: celebrating them, encouraging them, connecting them with one another, helping
Speaker 16: them build relationships. He wasn't just a driver, he was
Speaker 16: a teacher. And I think in each of our jobs,
Speaker 16: it's incumbent upon us to look for those opportunities to
Speaker 16: serve others, to build positive relationships, to excel at our craft,
Speaker 16: and even to tweak our jobs in ways that become
Speaker 16: more meaningful. And because earning is the first way in
Speaker 16: which we encounter money, I thought it important off the
Speaker 16: bat to help people understand how to build more purpose
Speaker 16: and meaning in their way were so that they didn't
Speaker 16: feel they were just working for a paycheck, that they
Speaker 16: were actually using that time there at were both to
Speaker 16: earn money, which is important, but also to really live
Speaker 16: into the mission of their lives and exemplify their values.
Speaker 1: Now, John, Over the weekend, we saw the most amazing
Speaker 1: thing I think I've seen in my life in terms
Speaker 1: of human activity, which was the rescue of the second
Speaker 1: pilot from the F fifteen That involved an operation involving
Speaker 1: thousands of people with a long tail back to a
Speaker 1: secretary at the Pentagon who is probably staying up late
Speaker 1: checking the eyes and the t's on the documents that
Speaker 1: were authorizing the thing. How do you infuse purpose into
Speaker 1: an organization like that, because that was obviously quite an
Speaker 1: amazing purpose driven result, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 16: And the US military is one of the best examples
Speaker 16: of a purpose driven organization. If you talk to marines
Speaker 16: or Army rangers or Air Force pilots, they put purpose
Speaker 16: at the center of all they do. They have a
Speaker 16: very clear mission as an organization, they have very clear values,
Speaker 16: and I think they start with that so that they're
Speaker 16: recruiting and identifying people who come because they connect with
Speaker 16: that mission. And then everything that they do with internal
Speaker 16: to the organization is helping the individuals in that organization
Speaker 16: connect with that both at the umbrella level, like I'm
Speaker 16: a marine and this is what Marines stand for, but
Speaker 16: also with the individual members of their unit, with the
Speaker 16: people that they train with, with those who they're going
Speaker 16: to deploy with. And so what I think the military
Speaker 16: does a great job of. First they have such a
Speaker 16: wonderful and clear mission at the outset, which is absent
Speaker 16: from some jobs and you have to work harder at.
Speaker 16: But they then connect it down to the personal level.
Speaker 16: They reinforce it in everything that they do. They recognize
Speaker 16: those whether they're Medal of Honor winners or others who
Speaker 16: have contributed significantly to that and set that as an
Speaker 16: aspiration for others. And they're really one of the best
Speaker 16: examples in the world right now of a purpose driven
Speaker 16: organization wherever person is on mission, and that rescue story
Speaker 16: that you mentioned is such a great example of that,
Speaker 16: where people are literally putting their lives on the line,
Speaker 16: not just for the mission of the country, for the
Speaker 16: values of their service branch, but also to contribute to
Speaker 16: one another.
Speaker 1: Deeply inspired. Really one of the most inspissal things I've seen.
Speaker 1: I'll be right back with John Coleman, and I've only
Speaker 1: done two of the six steps in good Money. I'll
Speaker 1: get through them in the final segment don't go anywhere
Speaker 1: in America. I'm here HERETT with John Coleman Good Money.
Speaker 1: It's his new book, blogging back to America. I can
Speaker 1: talk to John Coleman for a long time because the
Speaker 1: young man who has done a lot and it's going
Speaker 1: to do a lot more. But I want you to
Speaker 1: look at his book Good Money. Six Steps to building
Speaker 1: a Financial Life with Purpose steps four five six three
Speaker 1: four five sticks, spend and consume wisely, use your means
Speaker 1: to help others, invest for maximum impact, and say for
Speaker 1: freedom not retirement. Now, John, I'm seventy years old. Hopefully
Speaker 1: I've done these things. But one of the things I
Speaker 1: think the fetching missus YOUHWTT and I did early on
Speaker 1: was learned to spend wisely and just not fall in
Speaker 1: love with expensive things. How do you advise people to
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean there's a prudent step, which is just
Speaker 16: never spend more than you have, don't let your networth
Speaker 16: go negative, stay out of debt. I think beyond that,
Speaker 16: most of us end up spending on material things. And
Speaker 16: if I had a rule of thumb we use around
Speaker 16: our house, it's experiences not stuff. In general, acquiring material
Speaker 16: things is both not leading to happiness and purpose, but
Speaker 16: it also is what gets you in that trap. What
Speaker 16: you'd rather spend on are things like experiences which builds relationships,
Speaker 16: which are durable, health time, and the relationships in your lives,
Speaker 16: which are more oriented towards human flourishing and really lead
Speaker 16: to happiness and purpose. And so I think the first
Speaker 16: step is for people to get off the material accumulation treadmill,
Speaker 16: both because that's what can lead you into debt, but
Speaker 16: also because it doesn't really result in the happiness that
Speaker 16: people are chasing as much of some of these other categories.
Speaker 1: I got a dangerous question for you. The two most
Speaker 1: expensive hobbies I know of are cars and wine. Now
Speaker 1: I have no care for cars or wine, but do
Speaker 1: you have any advice in good money about picking your
Speaker 1: hobbies wisely, like if you follow the guard again, it's
Speaker 1: pretty cheap.
Speaker 16: You know, those are expensive hobbies. I also don't engage
Speaker 16: in here. I think people have to be careful about what.
Speaker 4: They get into.
Speaker 16: And one of the little tidbits I have in the
Speaker 16: book is something called smash your idols, which is if
Speaker 16: you realize something is a bad obsession for you because
Speaker 16: you don't have the money to pursue it, you get
Speaker 16: caught up in status comparison, whether that be cars or
Speaker 16: watches or clothes or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: To really go cold turkey to smash that I do.
Speaker 17: That's a good idea. Yeah, I want to go to
Speaker 17: use your money to help others. We do a lot
Speaker 17: of that on the program. We waste a lot of
Speaker 17: money for a lack cause or like food for the poor.
Speaker 17: The last couple of weeks. How hard is it to
Speaker 17: persuade people that the scriptures? I had a lot of
Speaker 17: good guidance there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 16: And one of the tragic things right now is that
Speaker 16: most people are not as generous as we could be.
Speaker 16: Less than two percent of US GDP, only six and
Speaker 16: ten people give to charity in any given year, and
Speaker 16: it's only slightly higher for Christians right now. And yet
Speaker 16: generosity is proven as one of the two or three
Speaker 16: most important things to unlocking purpose and human flourishing in
Speaker 16: your life. Even as physical health benefits, Generous people have
Speaker 16: lower incidences of all cause mortality, lower incidences of cardiac disease,
Speaker 16: a variety of things physically and psychologically. What I'm trying
Speaker 16: to help people understand is how to do that more
Speaker 16: generously and more consistently, and that topics like becoming a
Speaker 16: percentage giver, doing things you're passionate about, not only giving money,
Speaker 16: but serving in these organizations so you become more involved
Speaker 16: in them, and doing it in partnership, particularly with your family,
Speaker 16: where you can introduce the practice of family giving.
Speaker 1: All right, Joe, let me close with invest from maximum impact,
Speaker 1: say for freedom, not retirement. Now, I'm going to retire
Speaker 1: in a few more years, and I've done that, but
Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean by that. I just
Speaker 1: sort of focused on making sure that I could quit
Speaker 1: when I wanted to.
Speaker 16: Yeah, And I'm kind of on a I don't believe
Speaker 16: in the conventional American view of retirement, which is withdraw
Speaker 16: completely from the world, build up a balance sheet enough
Speaker 16: that you can go play golf the rest of your time.
Speaker 16: I don't think the scripture tells us that, and I
Speaker 16: don't think the research tells us that. The Social Security
Speaker 16: Administration found that there's a twenty four percent decrease in
Speaker 16: all cause mortality delaying retirement even one year. And so
Speaker 16: what I encourage people to do is really lean into
Speaker 16: using their talents and abilities for the entirety of their
Speaker 16: life as long as health allows, and instead saving so
Speaker 16: that they have the freedom and agency to choose what
Speaker 16: they're working on throughout their lives, so they're not trapped
Speaker 16: in something that's too busy or that's too fast a pace,
Speaker 16: or something they don't enjoy. But building the financial flexibility
Speaker 16: so that they can use their talents for maximum impact
Speaker 16: at the pace they want over time, but not withdrawing
Speaker 16: completely from the workforce, which I also think benefits society
Speaker 16: because we don't want to lose the talents and experiences
Speaker 16: of older Americans either. And so I think there's a
Speaker 16: real shift in mindset for a lot of people about.
Speaker 1: Arms, especially as lifespan expands. So, John, good money, it's
Speaker 1: your sixth book. How many more are you going to do?
Speaker 1: I did fifteen, and I said, you know, okay, there's
Speaker 1: no more. I got nothing left to say. How much
Speaker 1: more have you got left to say?
Speaker 16: I got to be careful that my wife is not
Speaker 16: watching the program, Hugh, because she is probably not ready for.
Speaker 4: Me to take on another book right now.
Speaker 16: But I think there are a couple more in the tank,
Speaker 16: even with regards to this, and so I'm already floating
Speaker 16: a couple of new ideas and I love to write
Speaker 16: like you do, and so it's a privilege to be
Speaker 16: able to do so.
Speaker 1: I have a suggestion how to teach your children, or
Speaker 1: just younger people generally, because I think the rising generation
Speaker 1: doesn't know anything about money, do you No?
Speaker 16: And that's the concluding chapter of the book is actually
Speaker 16: on money in kids, because I thought that was the most.
Speaker 4: Important way to wrap it, and so I.
Speaker 16: Try and tie all of those six practices into how
Speaker 16: you can parent your children, because I think we're doing
Speaker 16: kids a great disservice today both just teaching them fundamental
Speaker 16: financial literacy and the principles and values behind that to
Speaker 16: make their lives better. So it's a crucially important point
Speaker 16: that's under emphasized.
Speaker 1: You're involved in schools, maybe de Kalb County, do you
Speaker 1: insist or do you try and get them to teach
Speaker 1: financial literacy to kids?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 16: My goodness, I think even starting in middle school, we
Speaker 16: need more financial literacy in the classroom. I'm on the
Speaker 16: board of a college right now where I'm trying to
Speaker 16: emphasize that as part of the coursework. I think our
Speaker 16: educational institution should be starting as young as elementary school,
Speaker 16: introducing basic financial literacy concepts, and of course there's no
Speaker 16: substitute for parents picking that up. I mean, really, parents
Speaker 16: have to be a critically part of mentoring. We've got
Speaker 16: a five year old through a twelve year old, four kids,
Speaker 16: and even our five year old now has a Ledger system.
Speaker 16: We're teaching the basic principles and we're evolving that to
Speaker 16: greater maturity with our twelve year old. But we parents
Speaker 16: have to think about taking ownership of that and encouraging
Speaker 16: each of our schools to be a compliment to that,
Speaker 16: a partner in that work.
Speaker 1: In the final we got one minute. Debt is a killer,
Speaker 1: you know. That's my whole financial rule of life. Just
Speaker 1: don't go into debt. Do you share that?
Speaker 16: For the most part, I think there are a couple
Speaker 16: of forms of debt that are a part of modern
Speaker 16: society that can be okay. Mostly asset back debt for
Speaker 16: things like mortgages, right can appropriate market. But I think
Speaker 16: uncollateralized debt, credit card debt, even student loan debt is
Speaker 16: something you have to be stupid.
Speaker 4: No one should.
Speaker 16: Carry credit card debt if they can avoid it, and
Speaker 16: I think the student loan debt crisis is one where
Speaker 16: people just aren't weighing the risks and returns.
Speaker 1: Not well, John Coleman. Great to talk to you, and
Speaker 1: the book is Good Money. Good Money is available at Amazon,
Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble bookstores everywhere. Good Money by a good man,
Speaker 1: John Coleman. Good to see you again.