1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: Well, welcome to today's podcast on the outa Zion Show 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: with doctor Susan Michael, and it is my privilege to 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: have with me a very special guest here today, Castor 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: Jensen Franklin. And it's really a privilege and an honor to. 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Have you with us. Thank you. 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: You have been such a leading pastor and America Christian leader, 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: and such a leader in the pro Israel movement as 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: well and leading your church in support of Israel and 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: in so many ways. So look forward to learning more 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: about you today and sharing with our audience. 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series Connecting 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: explores timely issues and current events from a scripture perspective 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 3: to equip the Christian world with a balanced and biblical response. 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 3: Be sure to subscribe for future episodes which will ignite 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: your faith and bring the Bible to life in your 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 3: everyday world. Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers. 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: But let's first just make the announcement you have a 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: new book coming out today and tell. 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: Us about it I do. Several years ago, I wrote 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: a book about fasting, and I think this is the 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: this is the answer, hand and glove concerning what we 25 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: need to do when we need God to really intervene. 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: And the title of this book is the power of 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: short Prayers, because some of the greatest miracles that Jesus did, 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he he only had three and a half 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: years of ministry. I know he lived to thirty three, 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: but three years is not long to do a worldwide 31 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: movement and change the world. But he was constantly interrupted 32 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: with short prayers and when people interrupted him. As important 33 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: as his purpose was on this earth to bring us salvation, 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: he was constantly interrupted by people who prayed short prayers. 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: Ten lepers prayed a six word prayer, and you know, 36 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: you find short prayers and throughout the Old and New Testament, 37 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: and I think that there's something to it that many 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: times we think that it's the long and repetitive prayers 39 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: that really gets God's attention. I'm convinced that when his 40 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: heart fell, and what I did was in the book. 41 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: I laid out prayers that I prayed for the last 42 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: forty years of ministry that I pray to every day. 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: Prayers over my family. I'm sure you know numbers chapter six, 44 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: the Lord bless you and keep you, and that whole 45 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: three stanzas of that prayer. It's so quick you can 46 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: pray it in fifteen seconds over you. I prayed it 47 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: over my children every day of their life. My oldest 48 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: daughter's thirty six, and all the way down five kids. 49 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: I would turn as I would take them to school 50 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: every morning I was there and I'd lay my hands 51 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: on them and speak that blessing. And there's certain blessings 52 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: in small prayers that I think people can pick up 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: out of the scriptures that are game changers concerning family, marriage, life, business. 54 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: God cares about it all, and if we'll give him 55 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: an invite to a short prayer, he'll bless us in health. 56 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: God is so encouraging, because you know, prayer can be 57 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: intimidating for stat of people, and when we have a 58 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: really serious bead, we don't know did I not pray enough, 59 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: did I not pray hard enough? And this kind of thing. 60 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: And so to have this beautiful teaching on the importance 61 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: of short prayers, I'd say those are the prayers of 62 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: the heart. Those are just those hard cries. 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: And you know you said something before we came online 64 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: here that's so powerful that I do it daily many 65 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: most of I say daily, most of the days of 66 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: my life, I will find myself quickly praying for Israel. 67 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: I think of that scripture that you know. Number one, 68 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: God will bless those that bless Israel Genesis twelve and three. 69 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: And God will curse those that curse Israel. And in 70 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: a time like this, when so many people, I never 71 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: thought I would see such anti Semitism. I never thought 72 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: our universities, I never thought even you know, even presidents 73 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: of universities. I was asked to serve on this Religious 74 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: Liberty Commission that the President has commissioned, and I've set 75 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: in every one of those sessions. The last one was 76 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: on Israel. And I heard firsthand from the testimonies of 77 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: students and Jewish kids that are on campuses in America. 78 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: This isn't. This isn't back in the forties Nazi Germany. 79 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: This is right here in America. They had no jew zones, 80 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: no jew zones, literally called it that put up fences 81 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: and said no Jews from this, and included in that 82 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: was a library all kinds of things. And you have 83 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: no right to come into this area. 84 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: If you're you would have ever thought in America, in 85 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: America that we would. 86 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: Have Well, it's because can I say as a pastor, 87 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: and I'm not a critical person like you know, beating 88 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: up on pastors and stuff, but I'm gonna say this, 89 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: it's because of this replacement theology that says somehow Israel 90 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: is done away with and no longer, you know, do 91 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: we have to really be connected to Israel to exercise 92 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: our faith? For me, it's impossible. If Christianity is the branch, 93 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: which I believe it is, the root goes back to 94 00:05:54,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: our Jewish Bible and Messiah. So I don't see any 95 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: separation at all. But I think what has happened is 96 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: we have failed to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. 97 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: Another short prayer, another prayer, pray for the peace of Jerusalem. 98 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: And those will, and you will, and though they will 99 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: prosper to do that right right, and you know we 100 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: we do it because we know that the peace of 101 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: Jerusalem is the very heart of God. Two things God's 102 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: concerned about right now. I know this without a doubt. 103 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: These two things are on his mind. Number one Israel always. 104 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Number two the Church, Yes, the church is you and I, 105 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: not not buildings, not cathedrals, You and I and the 106 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: people that are watching this, the believers. And if God's 107 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: main concern on this planet is Israel and his church, 108 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: his people, and then of course that group being reeched 109 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: with the gospel of Jesus Christ and the world that's lost, 110 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: then all to be our number one focus to pray about. 111 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: Well, we want to invite a lot of pastors to 112 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: listen to this podcast today, and so I want you 113 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: to share first about your own personal story. How did 114 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: you come to understand the biblical significance of Israel? Where 115 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: did what is your personal story? 116 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: Well, I had my father was a preacher, and so 117 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, looking back on it now he's in heaven, 118 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: but looking back on it, there was a part of 119 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: the culture of the church at that time, the denomination 120 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: that I came up in. We were just taught if 121 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: America stands with Israel, God will stand with America. We 122 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: were even taught by my father would teach us from 123 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: the poolpit that the day that America puts in politicians 124 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: and leaders into the leadership of this nation in Washington, 125 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: d C. That does not stand with Israel, does not 126 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: help defend Israel, meaning give them the weaponry they need 127 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: or whatever we can do to help them. That is 128 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: the day that God will will sever his blessing upon 129 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: this nation. So we were taught that it was ingrained 130 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: into my belief system, and so that would be where 131 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: it would start. But I would also have to say, 132 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: one of the burdens of my heart I'm sixty three 133 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: years old now is if we can just get young 134 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: people to go to Israel. And I'm praying for peace 135 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: as we have already discussed, because if a young person 136 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: will just go to Israel, I think instead of letting 137 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: our kids go to the beach their senior year with 138 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: their crazy friends and get into all kinds of trouble 139 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: a lot of times, why don't we reward them. We're 140 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: starting a fun in our church right now. We started it. 141 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: We have it ready, and kids that come up in 142 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: the church and they learned learned certain things and take 143 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: some of the courses that we offer on the connection 144 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: of Israel and the Church and the Bible and our 145 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: worldview of Christianity concerning Israel and the Jewish people. If 146 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: they go through this process, we'll pay their way to 147 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: go to Israel. Their senior year and solidify what they 148 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: believe before they go off to some university that pollutes 149 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: their minds with a hatred for the people. Wonderful. 150 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: I don't know how old you were when you first 151 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: got to go to Israel, but I was one of 152 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: those kids. I was nineteen. 153 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: Wow. 154 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: And it completely changed my life and the rest of 155 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: my life. 156 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: And I didn't know that. So grateful. Yeah, And that's 157 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: what I was going to say, is I would say 158 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: when it really hit home for me, I love so 159 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: that nation was my first trip. I went with an 160 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: evangelist named Perry Stone. He invited me and my wife 161 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: and we're very good friends and have known each other forever. 162 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: Came up in the same denomination, Perry and he invited 163 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: Sharissa and my wife to go to Israel, and we 164 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: fell in love. It was it was like when I 165 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: saw my wife. It was kind of love at first sight. 166 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: And I tell you, if you go there, you will 167 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: never watch the news the same right, you will never 168 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: believe the lies of the United Nations and all of 169 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: these things. You'll say, that's not right. I saw that, 170 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: I saw what I know what happened. I talked with 171 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: those people that's not what's going on. And I think 172 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: we need to get a generation of young people again 173 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: connected to the nation. 174 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely do, and like you said, we praying for peace 175 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 2: because every time there's war and tourism shuts down, we 176 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: go for about a year or two years that none 177 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: of those young people are getting over there. 178 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: I had five hundred people going to Israel signed up 179 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: ready to go when the nine to eleven, not nine eleven, 180 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: the October seventh happened. October the seventh happened, and we 181 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: were going in November of that year, unfortunately, so I 182 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: cannot wait. 183 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: Well, it's wonderful that you have a fund that you're 184 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: building to help because the young people don't have the 185 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: money to go. They need help, and that's why we're 186 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: always also trying to raise money to help get young 187 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: people over there. We do I don't know, ten or 188 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 2: twelve thirteen tours. 189 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: A year, wonderful. 190 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: Some of them are church tours, pastors tours and young 191 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: adult to else stand And I'm such a believer in 192 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: getting the young people over there. Have to do that 193 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: because it's just life changing. Number one, the Bible comes alive, 194 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: but number two is it in Israel? Really the world 195 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: kind of comes alive because they begin to understand the 196 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: importance of all the history that's taken place, of current 197 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 2: events around the world, how does it affect Israel, the 198 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 2: Jewish people, America. And it just opens up the world 199 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: to these young people. So that's really wonderful that you're 200 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: doing that. 201 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 202 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion 203 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: podcast with Susan Michael. 204 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: I think too, just the prophecy side of Israel. 205 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: You're surrounded by prophecy fulfilled. 206 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, and when you stand there and even now, 207 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: I mean when we look at what is taking place 208 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: in science, when we look what has taken place with 209 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: our artificial intelligence. I remember these preachers preaching this stuff. 210 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: And even even the birth of the rebirth of Israel, 211 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: the rebirth of Israel nineteen forty eight was one of 212 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: the greatest miracles of our lifetime. And to see stel 213 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: now the apple of God's eye always that tiny little 214 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: nation the size of the state of New Jersey is 215 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: like Bob Gas, a guy who used that went before us. 216 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: He's in heaven now, but he used to say that 217 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: that Jerusalem and Israel is the navel and whichever direction 218 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: that goes, the whole world goes. Yes. And it's very true. 219 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: So when you see these signs happening, and when you 220 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: see these things happening, it is just proof to me 221 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: that if ever the people of God needed to stand 222 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: with Israel and with the not just with the land 223 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: of Israel, but with the Jewish people. Not that we 224 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: agree with everything the government does and everything that leaders do, 225 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: just like we don't with our own leadership, but we 226 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: are called to pray for them, and we are called 227 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: to stand with their right to exist and to be bold. 228 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: And I just don't understand the silent of the poolpits. 229 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: As the poolpit goes, so America and the world goes. 230 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: So let's talk about that, because it is very concerning. 231 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: The silence in the pulpits is not just on the 232 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: Israel issue. It's on any controversial issue, right, but Israel 233 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: kind of tends to be top of that list because 234 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: it is so controversial. Share with us just your personal 235 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: kind of observation. What do you think the root of 236 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: the problem is. 237 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is a disconnect from 238 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: from pastors. I think we also have been indoctrinated with 239 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: with false doctrine. A lot of ministers do not believe 240 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: that that you have to feel like what we just 241 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: know is right. I'll just I'll just challenge pastors. I mean, 242 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: our church is to God be all the glory. But 243 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: God has blessed us. We have not declined. We are 244 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: not We're expanding continually now for forty years. It just 245 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: keeps growing, and campuses and all of that. I've never 246 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: I've never wavered on the nation of Israel through everything, 247 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: through every season. You know, when when all of the 248 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: things tragic, because God loves the Palestinians. It's not either 249 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: or God loves the Palestinians. He said, I'll bless Ishmael 250 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: and see God has a plan for those who will 251 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: who will not attack and curse Israel. And there are 252 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: many Arabs who are prosperous and blessed that that cooperate 253 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: and work, such as Jordan and some of the nations 254 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: around that they're they're very prosperous. And so the point 255 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: I think that needs to be made is we want 256 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: to reach every person. God loves us all. But there 257 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: it is naive to think that the nation of Israel 258 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: and the Jewish people are in the Bible said, he's 259 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: the line of the tribe of Judah, the one in heaven, 260 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: which means he is a He's still a Jude in heaven. Right, 261 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: the line of the tribe of Judah son and they 262 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: were Judah is where we get the word you right, 263 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: and he wants it known in heaven. That's what it 264 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: calls in in heaven. So he's not ashamed of the 265 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: fact that that's that's his people, and that's his nation, 266 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: and the church is his church. 267 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: So don't you think that one of the reasons your 268 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: church has been. 269 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: So blessed, no question, is. 270 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: Because you've got this this. 271 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Right that preach the word, preach the truth, stand for 272 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: what is right in season and out of season. And 273 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: we went through we've been through when when all the 274 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: COVID and all that stuff, and I was I was 275 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: just taking a stand, you know, just taking a stand 276 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: for life, just taking a stand for babies, just taking 277 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: a stand for marriage, traditional biblical marriage. He made the 278 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: male and enis it's no big We're just preaching the word. 279 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: Why has the word become such a controversy. Just preach 280 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: the word with love and live it, you know, live 281 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: it well. 282 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 2: I feel sorry for some of the churches, for any church, 283 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: for all the churches that teach a replacement theology, and 284 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: the reason being because when you teach replacement theology, you 285 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: create a disconnect in the Bible between the old and 286 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: the new. 287 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: That's right, it doesn't make sense. It's very true, and 288 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: I think it. 289 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: Removes your congregation from the root that feeds them, the 290 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: sustenance that comes from understanding the Jewish roots of the 291 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: faith and have an honoring it like the apostle Paul 292 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: told us to. And that's what we find. When you 293 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: get the Israel peace we call it. It's like the 294 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 2: Israel key. You insert it in your Bible and the 295 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: Bible just stands up, It just comes alive. It all 296 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: makes sense. Now, it's connected. And that has to produce 297 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: a blessing on a church, and it. 298 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: Produced authority, It produces an annointing. Yes, it really does. 299 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: I mean the same. I would dare say ninety percent. 300 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't have a statistic for this that I've proven, 301 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: but my secret hunch would be that probably ninety or 302 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: more percent of the people who don't pastors who don't 303 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: stand with Israel don't preach the second coming of the Lord. 304 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: They never preach about the return of Jesus Christ. They 305 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: never preach about the trumpet will sound, the dead in 306 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: Christ shall rise, We who are alive and remain shall 307 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: be caught up. They don't, they don't preach that. So 308 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: that's a demonic to me. It's a demonic attempt of 309 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: the enemy to cut off the message of the end times. 310 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: That is the most important message of generation can hear. 311 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: But something's changed, and I haven't just come to out 312 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: the crabble. I believe that there's a revival taking place 313 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: in our nation. The tragedy of Charlie Kirk and what happened. 314 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: I knew Charlie. I was on his show several times, 315 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: and he came to our church. He was at our 316 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: church the last part of the year before he died 317 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: and had a rally there. And something is happening. And 318 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: we're having just hundreds and hundreds. We do a youth 319 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: conference every year that has over twelve thousand young people 320 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: who come in from all over the nation, and we 321 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: had it this past year, and I have never seen 322 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: the intensity, the urgency, the yearning to be disciple, the 323 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: yearning to be taught, the scriptures. They don't want their fluff, 324 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: they don't want the show. They want somebody to tell 325 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: me how to live this thing, how to walk holy, 326 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: how to love God, how to say no to the flesh, 327 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: the eye, the lust of the eyes, the lust to 328 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: the flesh, the fright of life. They're hungry. They know truth. 329 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: There's something that's sitting up and standing up when they 330 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: hear the truth. And I've never seen it like I'm 331 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: seeing it right now. Even in our church is just 332 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: thousands of young adults and young people, and so there's hope, 333 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: but we've got to connect those young people to Israel, 334 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: right for sure. It begins with prayer. 335 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 2: Well, Pastor, as we bring this to a close, do 336 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: you mind closing us in prayer for the church and 337 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: for this issue, and it give me a short prayer, 338 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: I'll do it. 339 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: Thank you Lord, Thank you for this great organization. And 340 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: I just pray your hand of blessing upon them. Thank 341 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: you for everyone watching this. And Lord, may your spirits 342 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: stir what we've said in hearts of moms and dads 343 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: and pastors and leaders and business people. God, and may 344 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: they make up their mind they're going to bless what 345 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: you have bless and they will not be on the 346 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: cursing side, but the blessing inside at Israel. We ask it, 347 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: and we pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We pray 348 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: for that nation right now on the verge without a 349 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: divine intervention of war with Iran America. May she always stand. 350 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: May our leaders always stand with the nation of Israel 351 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: and its right to exist and defend themselves. In Jesus' 352 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: mighty name, we pray. 353 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: Amen, Amen and amen. And I just want to invite 354 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 2: our listening audience to get involved in this. You know, 355 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: we have a little booklet on replacement theology, just the 356 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 2: basics about what it is, what it teaches, how it's wrong. 357 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: We invite you to We'll have a link to it 358 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: in our show notes. Get that share it with your 359 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 2: pastor or Bible teachers in your church. But let's get 360 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: involved in this and help bring the education to our churches. 361 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: We love the local church, we love our pastors, honor them, 362 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 2: and we just want to help resource them. And so 363 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: we invite you to get involved in Pastor Dinson, thank 364 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: you so much for. 365 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: Joining me us today. Thank you very much. 366 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: Hey, just give me one more minute. I want to 367 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: offer you one of our free resources. We have wonderful 368 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: resources in our show notes, and if you go to 369 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 2: our website at ICEJUSA dot org slash show notes, you'll 370 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: find links for a number of our free offers. 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