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Speaker 2: This is Donna Jones and you are listening to That's

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Speaker 2: just what I needed. Hey, friend, if you've ever been

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Speaker 2: in a conversation where you've walked away thinking, Wow, that

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Speaker 2: was just what I needed, you know how life giving

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Speaker 2: that can be, Well, that's what this podcast is all about.

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Speaker 2: We're women who want to know, love, and follow God

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Speaker 2: in our real lives, but sometimes wonder just how to

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Speaker 2: do it. So each week we'll talk about what following

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Speaker 2: God looks like in the midst of daily demands and

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Speaker 2: crazy cultural chaos. Because this isn't just what we need,

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Speaker 2: it's actually exactly what we need. Hey, hey, welcome to

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Speaker 2: the podcast today. Well, if you have ever wondered how

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Speaker 2: you can be confident and hearing God's voice, you are

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Speaker 2: going to love today's episode. The reality is we live

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Speaker 2: in a noisy world and we could sometimes struggle to

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Speaker 2: hear the still small voice of God. But today's guest

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Speaker 2: is going to help us do that. My guest today

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Speaker 2: is Rachel Grohl. She's an author, she's a podcaster, she's

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Speaker 2: a wife, she's a mom. She's been a missionary. She

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Speaker 2: has not one, but two seminary degrees, one from Southeastern University.

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Speaker 2: And the other from Biola University and Talbot Seminary. You're

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Speaker 2: going to love today's episode. It's going to answer so

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Speaker 2: many questions. I can't wait for you to listen into

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Speaker 2: my conversation with today's guest, Rachel Girl. Rachel, Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: to chat a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to have you on, especially because of

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Speaker 2: the topic of your new book, because so many women

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Speaker 2: and men actually could be interested in this topic. Because

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Speaker 2: You've written this new book called Knowing God's Voice, and

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Speaker 2: I think that is something that women they really struggle with.

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Speaker 2: It's like, how do I know?

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Speaker 1: Is this my voice?

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Speaker 2: Is this God's voice? Is this the enemy's voice? So

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Speaker 2: tell us why you decided to tackle this topic.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've been working with women for a

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Speaker 1: long time in a lot of different capacities. I started

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Speaker 1: children's ministry, so I interacted with a lot of moms

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Speaker 1: And what I learned over the years is it didn't

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Speaker 1: was this common insecurity that I would hear on the

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Speaker 1: hearts of women, women that were the lead, women that

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Speaker 1: come in and convinced them of all these insecurities that

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Speaker 1: I think I'm not alone in that I had that

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Speaker 1: I think on that for me as somebody who leads women,

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Speaker 2: Rachel.

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Speaker 1: This is so good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is so good because you are nailing it.

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Speaker 2: I could not agree with you more. There is at

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Speaker 2: And I love the fact that you've written this book

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Speaker 2: do that. But you take a really interesting perspective on

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Speaker 2: this because you focus in and kind of narrow your

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Speaker 2: and how they heard God's voice, which you said in

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Speaker 2: your introduction that you couldn't even name the female profits

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Speaker 2: believer for well since I was a child, decades upon decades,

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Speaker 2: And do you know that until I wrote an article

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, as someone who works with women, and

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Speaker 1: it's not dependent on my interpretation of what prophecy is,

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Speaker 1: what does God say in the scriptures. And while I

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Speaker 1: Before I even get to Miriam's story, I just want

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Speaker 1: believe that some of the tools that we see in

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Speaker 1: And so it starts from childhood with Miriam. She was

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Speaker 1: you know, one of my daughters is halfway across the

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Speaker 1: world right now, serving on mission. It's really hard to

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Speaker 1: let your eighteen year old go across the world and

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Speaker 1: not see her for nine months. And so in a

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Speaker 1: very practical sense, I have to have a handful of

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Speaker 1: scriptures that the Lord has given me, and I meditate

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Speaker 1: on those. And what that means is I have them

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Speaker 1: written out. Actually, here's one right here. I have them

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Speaker 1: written down on cards all over my house. And so

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Speaker 1: there might be this three set of scriptures I have

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Speaker 1: on my desk, and that same set of scriptures is

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Speaker 1: taped to my bathroom mirror, and that same set of

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Speaker 1: scriptures is on a little card next to my bed,

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Speaker 1: and it's in the laundry room taped to the wall.

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Speaker 1: Until that word is in me, meaning I've memorized it

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Speaker 1: and I can call it to memory on demand. That's

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Speaker 1: how I'm meditating on God's word because the moment I'm

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Speaker 1: tempted just start to worry, which is in and of itself,

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to meditate on the wrong things. I want

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Speaker 1: to flip the script and meditate on God's word because

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Speaker 1: God's word does not come back void. And so, in

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Speaker 1: a very real practical sense, what does it look like

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Speaker 1: for you? And maybe that means it's the homescreen on

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Speaker 1: your phone, so that every time you go to turn

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Speaker 1: on your phone, the same scriptures in front of you.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that means it's on you refrigerator. So every time

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Speaker 1: you go in to cook a meal, that's in front

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Speaker 1: of you. What practically can you do to get God's

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Speaker 1: word in front of you? Because God's word is a

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Speaker 1: promise to us. He's called the word. He has designed

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Speaker 1: us and created us to know Him through his word.

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Speaker 1: And so what I have found is when I have

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Speaker 1: done that and I'm in situations, immediately the Lord will

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Speaker 1: bring to mind things that I have meditated on in

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Speaker 1: the past. You know, I was in Italy last week

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Speaker 1: and we were doing our Bible study live on location,

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Speaker 1: Bible study through the New Testament, and we went to

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Speaker 1: the catacombs underground, and in the catacombs are these sarcophaguses

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Speaker 1: where they have opened them up and they're covered in glass,

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Speaker 1: but you can see what happens as the body's decay.

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Speaker 1: And one of them is just full of bones, just

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Speaker 1: remnants of bones, and I remember just like looking at it,

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Speaker 1: and in the moment it didn't click. But later that evening,

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Speaker 1: when we had some time for some prayers, some worship,

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Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit brought to mind the story about from

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel about how he restored the dry bones into this army,

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Speaker 1: and the Lord just dropped it in my heart. And

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Speaker 1: so as we're worshiping, I'm like, guys, this is what

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Speaker 1: the Lord's brought to my heart. This is what we

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Speaker 1: saw today. And in the moment, I didn't think about it,

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Speaker 1: but right now, this is what God's showing me. And

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Speaker 1: became this really powerful object lesson that the Lord could

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Speaker 1: bring to mind. In that moment. I know I heard

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Speaker 1: from the Lord because I don't necessarily think about that

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Speaker 1: passage from Ezekiel very often, and yet the Lord brought

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Speaker 1: it to mind so that I could share that with

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Speaker 1: our group. That's a really practical example. But there have

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Speaker 1: been seasons in my past where I have meditated because

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Speaker 1: I was going through a dry season and that was

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Speaker 1: a promise of the Lord gave me in that moment.

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Speaker 1: And so what ends up happening is the Lord will

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Speaker 1: bring to mind his word in the seasons that we

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Speaker 1: need it. And that's part of the confirmation of knowing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know that this is you because number one, this

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Speaker 1: wasn't on my mind, and number two, it's straight from scripture.

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Speaker 1: It's right out of the Old Testament. And so for me,

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Speaker 1: that's how it works. And I think for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people we overcomplicate it, thinking like, Okay, we're just

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Speaker 1: going to have the Heaven's part and angels singing, when

503
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Speaker 1: often that's not what it is. It's that still small

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Speaker 1: voice that reminds us of something we've studied in a

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Speaker 1: previous season.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is so incredibly practical, Rachel, because there is

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Speaker 2: not a person listening that cannot resonate with ruminating on

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Speaker 2: the wrong thing, rehearsing over and over and over again.

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Speaker 2: So it makes so much sense that meditating is ruminating

510
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Speaker 2: rehearsing the right thing. Which is God's word and then

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Speaker 2: until you know it. And you know, Rachel, it's so

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Speaker 2: funny that you're even talking about that, because just this

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Speaker 2: past week there were some really stressful things that happened

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Speaker 2: in my week and a verse came to mind, which

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Speaker 2: is from Isaiah. He will keep in perfect peace. Him

516
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Speaker 2: whose mind is stayed upon me is steadfast because he

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Speaker 2: trusts in you. And that was a verse I heard

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Speaker 2: years and years and years and years and years ago,

519
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Speaker 2: but it just came to my mind when I realized, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't have peace, I'm stressed about the situation, and

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Speaker 2: it was like the Lord's drop that into my mind.

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Speaker 2: But it was based on the fact that I had

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Speaker 2: heard that over and over and over again, and so

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Speaker 2: God used that to speak to me and I needed it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I needed that word that was exactly what

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Speaker 2: I need. And I think that's the really cool thing

527
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Speaker 2: about hearing God's voice is that when it's God, he

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Speaker 2: knows what we need before we know what we need,

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Speaker 2: so he will bring to remembrance things that we need

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Speaker 2: when we need it, and so powerful when we spend

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Speaker 2: time on God's word and like you said, just meditate

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Speaker 2: on it, ruminate on it, Oh so good. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: what else, Like if you're talking to somebody, you're having

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Speaker 2: coffee with someone and they wanted to know any other

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Speaker 2: little you know, nuggets of wisdom that you would want

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Speaker 2: to tell them about hearing God's voice, or maybe even

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Speaker 2: a lesson from one of these female biblical characters that

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Speaker 2: you've studied. What is it that you would want us

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Speaker 2: to know?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think in very practical terms, and

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Speaker 1: because this is fresh on my heart, I would want

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Speaker 1: to place out the reminder that it's really the obedience

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Speaker 1: portion that's on us, the outcome portion is on God.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when we're talking about Deborah, Deborah is

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Speaker 1: one of the women in the book. Deborah is given

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Speaker 1: this prophetic word and Barak does not necessarily rise to

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Speaker 1: the occasion that God had planned for him, and so

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Speaker 1: she's faithful to deliver the word that God has given

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Speaker 1: her to him, but his reception of it, that reaction

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Speaker 1: is not on her. And the thing that I love

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Speaker 1: about that is it kind of releases us like our

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Speaker 1: goal really is to be obedient to whatever it is

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Speaker 1: that God is calling us to do. And you know,

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Speaker 1: even last week we had a group of people together

555
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Speaker 1: and the Lord was moving in a really powerful way.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody was receptive to what the Lord wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: In fact, some people had their hearts hardened against what

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Speaker 1: he wanted to do. And my prayer is that seeds

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Speaker 1: were planted and that that word is going to go

560
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Speaker 1: forth and eventually God's going to maybe send somebody else

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Speaker 1: to kind of water that seed. But we have to

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Speaker 1: release our attachment to the outcome. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: really hard because especially if we're in a scenario where

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Speaker 1: we're confident now, we're confident that the Lord has spoken

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Speaker 1: to us, we're confident in the thing that he's brought

566
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Speaker 1: up to mind, and especially if it's on behalf of

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Speaker 1: somebody else, the temptation can be to like really want

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Speaker 1: them to get it and be so attached to the

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Speaker 1: outcome that we can feel some sort of way when

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Speaker 1: the person doesn't receive it. And I think that's dangerous

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Speaker 1: because on the flip side is if they were to

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Speaker 1: receive it and you were to see evidence of God

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Speaker 1: moving in their life, we can be tempted to want

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Speaker 1: to take the glory for ourselves and the glory belongs

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Speaker 1: to the Lord. And so I think on either side

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Speaker 1: of that, we have to, like I said, release our

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Speaker 1: attachment to the outcome and trust the Lord with that

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Speaker 1: good or bad in our timing or in his timing.

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Speaker 1: That has to be on him. That I think as

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Speaker 1: a mom, we have all kind of done that kind

581
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Speaker 1: of thing where we're trying to as moms are trying

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Speaker 1: to teach our kids, but especially as I'm parenting adults. Now,

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Speaker 1: I can give them what I think is the best,

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Speaker 1: but as their parent, I have to release them to

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Speaker 1: be able to figure that out on their own, and

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Speaker 1: whether they're being to the Lord or not, that's between

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Speaker 1: them and God.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: In the same way, there are opportunities that the Lord

590
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Speaker 1: gives us, and there's a consequence, both good or bad.

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Speaker 1: There's a good consequence or a bad consequence if we

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Speaker 1: choose to obey him. But that part isn't on us.

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Speaker 1: The obedience portion is really what's on us.

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Speaker 2: That is so true, so hard to actually embrace that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: my job is just to listen to God's voice and

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Speaker 2: obey and what anybody else does, how they receive it,

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Speaker 2: that's not on me, Which brings up a question that

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Speaker 2: maybe on some people's minds, and that is a lot

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Speaker 2: of people have had experiences where somebody says to them,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Lord told me such and such, almost

601
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Speaker 2: like speaking a prophetic word over them, and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: all right. I mean, I know that the Lord speaks

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Speaker 2: to his word if it goes with the word, I

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Speaker 2: get that. But what would you say, you know, when

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Speaker 2: somebody just says I have a prophetic word for you,

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Speaker 2: how do you determine, like, is this really from the

607
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Speaker 2: Lord or is this person just wacko.

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Speaker 1: I've been on both sides of that. I've been on

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Speaker 1: the side of the recipient side where somebody has said

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Speaker 1: I have a word for you and they didn't even

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Speaker 1: give me an option whether or not I wanted to

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Speaker 1: hear it. They just went in and it was damaging,

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Speaker 1: and it was maybe a little manipulative, or maybe they

614
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Speaker 1: hadn't gone through the lens of God's word before they

615
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Speaker 1: delivered that message. They're going off of feeling and gut

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Speaker 1: an emotion, and that's damaging. It can be really damaging

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Speaker 1: when the person that has the quote unquote word isn't

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Speaker 1: surrendered first and foremost so the Holy Spirit. The other

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Speaker 1: side of that is I've been one where the Lord

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Speaker 1: has given me a word for somebody, and then I'm

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Speaker 1: faced with, Okay, what do I do with this, especially

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Speaker 1: if it's not somebody I'm currently in relationship with, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a stranger or somebody that's new. And so I

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Speaker 1: think two things. I think for me, if the Lord

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Speaker 1: has ever given me a word for somebody, I will

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Speaker 1: pray first and foremost, Lord, what do you want me

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Speaker 1: to do with this? Is this just are you just

628
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Speaker 1: showing this to me so I can pray for them?

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Speaker 1: Because that happens. Sometimes Lord just gives you a word

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Speaker 1: of knowledge so you can pray about a situation. Not

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Speaker 1: everything is for everyone. And I think again it goes

632
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Speaker 1: back to if God is going to give you a

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Speaker 1: word for somebody, he's also going to give you direction

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Speaker 1: on what to do with that word. And so we

635
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Speaker 1: can't think, okay, well he's going to give me a word,

636
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Speaker 1: but not give me direction if I'm supposed to share

637
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Speaker 1: that out loud or not. I think we need to

638
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Speaker 1: just back it up and say, okay, Lord, if this

639
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Speaker 1: is from you, you need to make it abundantly clear

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Speaker 1: that I'm supposed to do something with this. Sometimes that

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Speaker 1: means I write it down, you know, There's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of times where I've been in scenarios where it's

643
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Speaker 1: probably not appropriate for me to share it in the moment,

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Speaker 1: but I'll write it down, and more often than not,

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Speaker 1: that prayer becomes, Lord, if you want me to share

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Speaker 1: this with them, would you show me? Sometimes it's a

647
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Speaker 1: year later. Sometimes it's not right then and there. And

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Speaker 1: I think we can be tempted to think, Okay, I

649
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Speaker 1: have this and I have to get it out, and

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Speaker 1: it's all about me, me, me, me. No, it really

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Speaker 1: has to even that has to be thrown into the Lord. Lord,

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Speaker 1: what do you want to do with this word? Are

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Speaker 1: you giving this to me to pray? Are you giving

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Speaker 1: this to me for a later season? If he wants

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Speaker 1: you to deliver that word right then and there, then

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Speaker 1: he will make that known to the point where you

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Speaker 1: can't deny it. It's almost like you're pregnant, you know.

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Speaker 1: Once you get to the point of labor and delivery,

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Speaker 1: there's no turning back. The Lord will show that to you.

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Speaker 1: But I think even in that moment, I always say

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Speaker 1: to the person, even if it's a close friend, I'll say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I really feel like the Lord has

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Speaker 1: put something on my heart to share with you, would

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Speaker 1: you like me to share it? And then again that's

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Speaker 1: the obedience portion on my side. But for them, it's

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Speaker 1: for them to decide whether or not they even want

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Speaker 1: to hear it. Some people are not ready to hear

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Speaker 1: that word, and that's between them and the Lord. So

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Speaker 1: I think on that side of things, we always have

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Speaker 1: to make sure that we are surrendered, and even if

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Speaker 1: the Lord gives us a word, that word has to

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Speaker 1: be surrendered to him. The flip side of that is

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Speaker 1: what happens if you've been not given that agency and

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Speaker 1: somebody has just said I have the word, this is

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Speaker 1: what the Lord said, and it's off or it just

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Speaker 1: doesn't resonate with your spirit, or it's damaging. I think

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Speaker 1: we always again have to take that back to the Lord.

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Speaker 1: We have to take it back to the Lord. Number One,

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Speaker 1: is this consistent with God's word? Is that word that

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Speaker 1: they said to me can assistant with God's character and

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Speaker 1: God's nature? Is that word something that resonates with my spirit?

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Speaker 1: Is it confirming something or is it just causing chaos.

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Speaker 1: One of the examples I talk about in the book

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, I mean a couple at least

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Speaker 1: a thousand, if not more. And I was literally getting

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Speaker 1: ready to go on stage and a woman came up

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Speaker 1: to me and she said, I have a prophetic word

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Speaker 1: for you, and she went on to tell me that

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Speaker 1: one of my children was in danger and was going

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Speaker 1: to be harmed. And it was literally like seconds before

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Speaker 1: I was getting ready to go on the platform. Thankfully,

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Speaker 1: I have my own relationship with the Lord and I

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Speaker 1: can say, Lord, do I need to stop what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing right now? And he said, no, go I'll take

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Speaker 1: care of this. Like that was the sense that I got,

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Speaker 1: like he gave me peace. And I went up and

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Speaker 1: I was able to go and lead the women, and

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of women that got saved that day.

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Speaker 1: And that situation, it ended up being the enemy just

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Speaker 1: trying to keep me from doing what God had planned

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Speaker 1: for me to do. But even when I kind of

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Speaker 1: dissect that scenario and I think about that in terms

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Speaker 1: of what happens if I'm given a word, well, number one,

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Speaker 1: I'm never going to deliver it, especially if it's something hard.

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Speaker 1: Seconds before somebody's going on a stage to do ministry

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Speaker 1: like that would not be God's wrong. And then on

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Speaker 1: top of that, you know, one of the things we

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Speaker 1: see with Holda is she had to deliver a difficult word.

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Speaker 1: It was a very difficult word. She had to speak

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Speaker 1: to the leadership. But she did that within the context

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Speaker 1: of relationship. And I think that's the Biblical model. Very

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Speaker 1: rarely will you have somebody that is not in relationship

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Speaker 1: with you coming up and telling you a detrimental word,

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Speaker 1: saying it's from the Lord. More often than not, what

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Speaker 1: we see in the Biblical model is a word of

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Speaker 1: correction or a word of caution is going to come

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Speaker 1: through the context of relationship, either your own relationship with

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Speaker 1: the Lord or somebody you're in relationship with that holds

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Speaker 1: you accountable. My pastor comes up to me and says, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think the Lord is sharing this with me. I

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Speaker 1: want to have a conversation with you about it. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to receive that so much better than some random

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Speaker 1: stranger that's walking up off the street. And God knows that.

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Speaker 1: God knows that about my heart. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time. You know, if somebody

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Speaker 1: has a word and it's a strange to reject that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but what I am saying is

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Speaker 1: that you have to weigh that against what you know

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Speaker 1: to be true in your own relationship with the Lord,

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Speaker 1: because there's a counterfeit for everything. The enemy has a

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Speaker 1: counterfeit version. And I think part of the reason why

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Speaker 1: this is a topic that's hard and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are like, hmm, prophecy, I don't know about all

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Speaker 1: that sounds kind of woo woo, is because of the

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Speaker 1: damage that has been done in the name of the Lord,

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Speaker 1: that's really been on behalf of the enemy.

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Speaker 2: I could not agree with that more. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: why I love the fact that you go back to

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Speaker 2: the word of God, because a lot of what's been done,

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Speaker 2: and like I have a word for you is there's

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Speaker 2: not discernment, there's not self control, there's no furt of

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Speaker 2: the spirit, love, joy, peace, patient, So there's just so

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Speaker 2: much depth. I mean, you have to take this seriously.

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Speaker 2: If you're saying I have a word for you, you

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Speaker 2: cannot just be saying something off the top of your

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Speaker 2: head and out of emotion. That has to be really

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Speaker 2: bathed in prayer and knowing, yeah, the Lord wants to say.

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Speaker 2: And I love the fact that you said asking permission

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Speaker 2: to somebody before you say some things so so good,

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Speaker 2: And there's so much more in the book. We've just

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Speaker 2: touched on a lot of this, and so tell us

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Speaker 2: because I know it's probably raised a lot of questions

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Speaker 2: and given a lot of hope as to how we

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Speaker 2: can hear the voice of the Lord correctly and not

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Speaker 2: just emotionally, which is really important. So tell us how

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Speaker 2: we can get a copy of your book, Rachel.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's available pretty much everywhere the books are sold.

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Speaker 1: You can get it from the publisher. I think they're

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Speaker 1: running a sale right now for the holidays. You can

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Speaker 1: get it on Amazon, or I just found it in

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Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble, which was really exciting. But my heart

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Speaker 1: is always for the little guy. So if you have

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Speaker 1: a local Christian bookstore in your town, support those people,

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Speaker 1: especially this time of year. You know, not that there's

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Speaker 1: anything wrong with the big box stores and we can

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Speaker 1: get sales and all those kinds of things. But if

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Speaker 1: you could go to your local Christian bookstore and if

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Speaker 1: they don't have it, they can order it and usually

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Speaker 1: within a couple of days. I'm always a proponent of that,

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Speaker 1: but you can also go to Rachelgrol dot com and

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Speaker 1: you can learn more. I have it accessible there. There's

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Speaker 1: some links in things, and then there's also extra resources

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Speaker 1: that I have, you know, because my hope really is

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Speaker 1: that the book becomes a starting point. So when people

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Speaker 1: finish that book and they're on the last page, that

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Speaker 1: that's not the end, but it's really the beginning, and

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Speaker 1: it positions them to say, Okay, what's next, Lord, what

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Speaker 1: do you want to do in me next? That's really

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Speaker 1: been my prayer for the book.

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Speaker 2: Love it. We will put all of that information in

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Speaker 2: the show notes for our listeners. Rachel, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for writing this book for kind of uncovering how

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Speaker 2: we can really be confident in hearing the voice of

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Speaker 2: God for ourselves. And thank you so much for your

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Speaker 2: commitment to the Word of God as your foundation. Love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It's been

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Speaker 1: a joy.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wasn't that an insightful conversation? I know it probably

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Speaker 2: raised a boatload of questions, gave you a boatload of information,

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Speaker 2: and so I am giving away a copy of Rachel's

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Speaker 2: book to one lucky winner. So here's all you have

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Speaker 2: leave a review on the podcast. Write a quick sentence

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Speaker 2: or two about what you love about this podcast, what

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Speaker 2: we haven't connected on social media, let's do that today.

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Speaker 2: You'll find me on Instagram at Donna A. Jones and

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Speaker 2: you'll find lots of information on my website at Donna

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Speaker 2: Jones dot org. And as always, my friend, I can't

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Speaker 2: wait to see you next time, for that's just what

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