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Speaker 2: author and he's back with a new project on miracles

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Speaker 2: that you can watch in movie theaters. It's at the

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Speaker 2: That movie opens on Monday in select theaters around the country.

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Speaker 2: And Lee, good to see you, sir.

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Speaker 5: Well, great to see you. Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I think, and I mean when I say your book,

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Speaker 2: I've heard more about it and more Bible studies over

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Speaker 2: I need to check this out. Did you set out

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Speaker 4: Well, the way I describe it, you being from Chicago

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Speaker 4: is like Wrigley Field, you know, and Wrigley Field often

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Speaker 4: home runder, a grand slam. That's what God did with

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Speaker 5: Hit the ball. I wrote the book, but God has.

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Speaker 4: Taken it beyond anything I ever put into it, and

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Speaker 4: virtually every day from some amazing stories, including evil and

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Speaker 4: I honestly just feel I just wrote the book, but

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Speaker 2: On my own. I think pastors I hear this from

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm grateful to have this conversation. But he

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Speaker 4: But you know, my approach to that book and other

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Speaker 4: In fact, my book, The Case for Miracles, starts three

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I say, you know what, I didn't either. But

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Speaker 2: Lead. That criteria you just listed, that's intriguing because it

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Speaker 4: I mean when I did my investigation as an atheist

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Speaker 2: What do you think about miracles of the scripture versus

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Speaker 2: Often it's medical. I know it's not exclusively medical least trouble,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Chris, It's good to be back.

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Speaker 1: new application process that will show you what the cost

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Speaker 1: of that education is going to be, what the typical

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Speaker 1: earnings are for that profession, and how much is going

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Speaker 1: to cost you to go to the colleges that you

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Speaker 1: have listed on your form that you want these results

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Speaker 1: sent to. So therefore you have some degree of understanding

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Speaker 1: of what kind of income you would have to have,

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Speaker 1: you know, to you know, to pay off your debt.

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Speaker 1: So it lets parents and students know this is the

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Speaker 1: degree of debt that you're going to be involved in.

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Speaker 1: And for the first time, I think it's like codifying

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Speaker 1: it for students and parents to look at and say, wow,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a lifetime payback or whatever

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Speaker 1: it's going to be. You know, we have about one

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Speaker 1: point seven trillion dollars of student debt and I think

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Speaker 1: I think that's unconscionable. The universities are so high, and

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Speaker 1: part of what we are hoping to do as part

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Speaker 1: of the Presence administration is to start getting these costs down.

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Speaker 2: The Secretary of Education with is lender bing Man. Is

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Speaker 2: there any avenue to take student loans at that one

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Speaker 2: point seven trillion dollars in restructure it in a way? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you and maybe Treasury Secretary Vesson, who we

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Speaker 2: just mentioned. I was kind of joking, but do you

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Speaker 2: think there's a creative way that that could be rolled

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Speaker 2: into home lending to help students kind of manage it

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Speaker 2: in a different way, maybe through the private sector. Is

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Speaker 2: there something creative that can be done there to kind

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Speaker 2: of signal the young people that may feel a little

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Speaker 2: disaffected Right now, I can tell you great way to

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry interrupt. One of the first conversations that Scott

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Speaker 1: and I had, even before either of us was sworn

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Speaker 1: in and just having conversations, and I talked about student

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Speaker 1: loans and how it could be restructured. Part of what

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Speaker 1: you were saying, is there some private sector involvement that

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Speaker 1: you know could make sense. But one of the things

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Speaker 1: we've done here. The department already is reinstituted as part

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Speaker 1: of the One Big Beautiful Bill. There is now a

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Speaker 1: very simple, one way payback system for student loans, not

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Speaker 1: all of this mish mash of different programs that the

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Speaker 1: former administration had put into place and just kept the

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Speaker 1: entire community, you know, in a stir because they weren't

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Speaker 1: really sure if their loans are going to be forgiven

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Speaker 1: or not forgiven and why should they pay. So we

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Speaker 1: you know, we weren't collecting any loans during almost there

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Speaker 1: the entirety of Divide administration. But we have started that

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Speaker 1: program back and so for loans that were you know,

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Speaker 1: in default, we have now collected almost a billion dollars

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Speaker 1: you know in repayments back and so that's a little

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Speaker 1: bit off point of what you were asking, but it

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Speaker 1: is to show that there is now some fiscal responsibility

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Speaker 1: that is being attached to the program.

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Speaker 5: But my.

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Speaker 1: What what Secretary Besson and I really have talked about

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Speaker 1: is really how to restructure with more of the private

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Speaker 1: sector involvement for lending students. This should not be a

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Speaker 1: program that's really on the backs of taxpayers full time.

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Speaker 2: For sure. Boy, I hope you can figure that out together.

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Speaker 2: I certainly have some thoughts, not that you asked, but

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Speaker 2: I will tell you that I think that's a winner

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Speaker 2: if you can reach young people with that. Look, we're

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Speaker 2: coming up on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of

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Speaker 2: this country, and I know you care about that. I

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Speaker 2: know President Trump cares about that. You've got a very

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Speaker 2: interesting initiative going on right now called History Rocks. I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about that with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've had now three History Rocks tours. We started

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, and we were in Delaware. We wound up

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey. This was just last week. It is

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Speaker 1: really the most fun. We've gone into a primary and

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Speaker 1: a middle school with the program. We do a little

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Speaker 1: contest with some civics questions after, you know, some commentary

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Speaker 1: and explanation of what it means to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: having the biggest birthday coming up in fact, one principle said,

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Speaker 1: you know, ask the students in the audience. He said,

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Speaker 1: how many have you love a big birthday party? And

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Speaker 1: we all raised their hand. He said, well, we're coming

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Speaker 1: up on the biggest birthday party in our country. Are

515
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth celebration and it's just amazing and

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Speaker 1: the response that we're getting everybody loves history rocks and

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Speaker 1: this Road Independence Tour, which we talk about the decorations

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Speaker 1: of independence, what it meant to the country. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we start with very patriotic themes, that Pledge of Allegiance,

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Speaker 1: the National Anthem, imagine such radical thoughts and it really is,

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Speaker 1: I think a good way to reconnect the young people

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Speaker 1: of our country with the patriotism that I think we've

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Speaker 1: lost a great deal across the country. I mean, when

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Speaker 1: I saw that said only about forty one percent of

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Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty nine year olds loved their country, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, wow, how can that be? And I think

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Speaker 1: it's because they don't know their country. So this tour

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Speaker 1: that we are doing in combination with about forty different

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Speaker 1: other coalitions who will bring, you know, some of the

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Speaker 1: artifacts from museums, They will be giving speeches, and I

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Speaker 1: programs across the States. I just think it's to rev

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Speaker 1: up again the interest and the knowledge of civics in

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Speaker 1: our country and how we began and what was sacrificed

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Speaker 1: in order for our country to be what it is today,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's incredibly important and it will culminate,

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Speaker 1: you know, in DC next year around the fourth of

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Speaker 1: July when we're going to have this incredible celebration, And

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Speaker 1: in conjunction with this tour, there is the president seventeen

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Speaker 1: seventy six contests that's it will be happening a little

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Speaker 1: to bring light on that and to make sure that

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Speaker 2: Madam Secretary, we're always grateful for your time, thanks for

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Speaker 2: the work you're doing for the future of young people

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Speaker 2: here in number eighty three.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to be honest. I don't feel good about

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Speaker 6: a female, but just a woman, just a white woman.

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Speaker 6: If I was a white man, I would be functioning

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Speaker 6: from a point of even greater privilege. I think we're

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Speaker 6: missing an opportunity when kids, When kids have a moment

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Speaker 6: to reflect about how the color of their skin does

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Speaker 6: and does not allow them to move through the world,

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Speaker 6: it's running to them and trying to stifle that and

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Speaker 6: trying to say you shouldn't feel bad, so want to

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Speaker 6: We don't want to ever expose you to something that

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Speaker 6: is going to make you have to pause and have

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Speaker 6: maybe some internal feelings. It's a missed opportunity for some

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Speaker 6: really good dialogue.

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Speaker 2: This is the Democrat Party. That is a suburban white

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Speaker 2: lady who has been beating down whites, particularly white young men,

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Speaker 2: for about a generation. My boys, who are nineteen and

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Speaker 2: twenty years old, have been hearing that woman in their

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Speaker 2: young men are so vulnerable to some online grievance peddling,

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Speaker 2: because they've had it with ladies like that. That woman

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Speaker 2: struck a nerve and has become a viral sensation because

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Speaker 2: it revealed the ideology consuming the Democrat Party from within.

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Speaker 2: It's not a vulnerability she's expressing at all, even though

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Speaker 2: that's how she's trying to mask it. That was a diagnosis.

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Speaker 2: In that single moment and that clip. You just heard

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Speaker 2: this woman, the Sarah Stalker woman, the Kentucky representative. She

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Speaker 2: exposed the rot that is hollowing out the modern Democrat Party,

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Speaker 2: a total loss of faith in the American Covenant, the

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Speaker 2: radical world changing belief that a free society rises or

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Speaker 2: falls on individual character, not inherited categories, on merit not

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Speaker 2: melanin America was built on the exact opposite Creed. Her

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Speaker 2: party now preaches free markets that reward competence, not your complexion,

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Speaker 2: religious liberty that measures souls not skin. We have a

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Speaker 2: bit of rights that shields the lone citizen from the

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Speaker 2: tyranny of the mob. Opportunity that asks only one question,

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Speaker 2: what can you do? Not where did you come from?

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Speaker 2: Or what do you look like? That is meritocracy. It's

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Speaker 2: the only proven antidote to poverty and tribalism and tyranny.

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Speaker 2: But today's Democrats, and I'm sorry to say some that

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Speaker 2: claim to have been conservative or whatever they call themselves,

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Speaker 2: now they've replaced all that with something dark, really dark.

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Speaker 2: Racial quotas, inherited guilt, coerced speech, and engineered outcomes, and

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Speaker 2: they branded all as equity, but really all it is

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Speaker 2: is authoritarianism painted in a soft cell. Because once you

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Speaker 2: demand equal results by race, you've got to control everything

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00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: that produces results, from speech to thought, to hiring to

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Speaker 2: admissions to opportunity itself. You have to start punishing excellence

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Speaker 2: and script destiny. So when this woman, Sarah Stalker, this

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Speaker 2: Kentucky representative, this democrat, weeps over her own whiteness, she

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Speaker 2: isn't confessing personal shame. She's mourning something else, the death

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Speaker 2: of the old American promise inside her own party, a

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Speaker 2: party that once lifted people up and now sorts them

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Speaker 2: into permanent casts. And here's where the architects of identity

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Speaker 2: politics never really understand what they're doing. They're shaming young

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Speaker 2: men for their skin color, and it doesn't humble them,

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Speaker 2: It hardens them. It tells a generation they're guilty by design,

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Speaker 2: and sooner or later they stop looking for reconciliation, and

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Speaker 2: you know what, they start craving retaliation. And that's how

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Speaker 2: you feed America's revelation addiction that I've been telling you

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Speaker 2: about a culture hooked on crisis, primed for apocalypse, desperate

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Speaker 2: for meaning, because the dignity that comes from merit has

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Speaker 2: been completely stripped away by people like this Sarah Stalker.

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Speaker 2: And in the end, it's obvious who the real authoritarians are,

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Speaker 2: the people obsessed with your immutable traits, not your immutable rights.

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Speaker 2: Character and merit aren't slogans. They're the immune system of

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Speaker 2: a free nation. And if you replace that with racial

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Speaker 2: scorecards and whatnot, liberty isn't just weakened. It slips into

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Speaker 2: remission entirely. This woman isn't the problem, She's the symptom.

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Speaker 2: And the cure is the same now as it was

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty years ago as it was in

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three. MLKA judge by the content of character,

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Speaker 2: not color of skin. As Americans know this deep down,

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Speaker 2: Democrats know it, and that's why they fight and fight

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Speaker 2: it so violently. So that's a wrap for another Christa

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Speaker 2: Gall Show podcast. Thanks for committing to it, listening to

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Speaker 2: it all the way through. You're a fighter. I like

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Speaker 2: that about you. Hope you'll leave it a five star

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Speaker 2: review and a written review. Apple Podcasts, Spotify. We'll see

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Speaker 2: you next time here on The Christa Gall Show Podcast.

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