00:00:02 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 00:00:05 Speaker 2: If you've been doing all the right things but still feel depleted, disconnected, or out of balance, this episode just for you. In honor of World Health Day, your Hope Field Perspective is taking a compassionate look at whole person health, addressing the deep connection between mental wellness, physical vitality, and spiritual nourishment. Through faith based insight and practical application, you'll be encouraged to move beyond survival mode and towards sustainable, christ centered well being that honors how God designed you to live. Today, we're marking World Health Day by talking about something that sounds simple but is anything but how to care for your whole self, Biblical and brain based health for mind, body, and spirit. Welcome to your Hope Field Perspective, where our goal is to restore hope, renew minds, and empower listeners to live in your God given identity. I'm your host, doctor Michelle bankson Board, certified clinical neuropsychologist, their speaker and companion in your journey to mental, emotional, and spiritual wellness. I'm so grateful when you take a few minutes of your week to spend with us. Today we are going to be talking about how to care for your whole self, biblical and brain based health for your mind, body, and spirit. We'll dive in right after this brief word from our sponsor, What does it really mean to care for your whole self, mind, body, and spirit in a world that constantly pulls you in a thousand directions? On this World Health Day episode of Your Hope Filled Perspective, we explore a biblically grounded, neuroscience informed approach to holistic health that goes beyond surface level self care. Discover why true well being cannot be compartmentalized, how chronic stress impacts your mental and physical health, and practical ways to doward your God given body, thoughts, and spiritual life with wisdom and intention. Joining me for this important conversation is my co host, Jessica Van Rochel. Jessica, what scripture can you think of that's consistent with today's theme? 00:02:14 Speaker 1: I am thinking about Third John Chapter one, verse two, where it says, this Beloved, I pray that in all respects you might prosper in being good health, just as your soul prospers. This verse underscores God's holistic concern that physical wellbeing and external life would reflect the health of our soul. 00:02:37 Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing to think that the God of the universe cares about our health and wellness. We often try to fix one area of our lives in isolation. We focus on our spiritual life, but we ignore our emotional health, or we tend to our bodies while our thought life runs unchecked. But the amazing thing, Jess, is that God designed us as integrated beings, and when one area is suffering, the others are usually affected as well. 00:03:09 Speaker 1: That is right. And if you've ever found yourself thinking I don't know what's wrong, I just know I don't feel like myself, then this conversation is for you today. We're going to talk about how to recognize when we're slipping into ill health, what we can do to interrupt that slide, and how to guard our whole selves, not in a fearful way, but in a faithful, intentional way. 00:03:37 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for this conversation because, in all transparency, in the early days in my private practice, I helped patients tend to their physical health, their mental and their emotional health, but we rarely address the spiritual aspect. And then when I became seriously ill, I realized we can not address those areas in isolation, and we have to bring the physical side in if we really want wellness overall. So one of the most important skills we can develop is learning to notice early warning signs. For many years, I was not good at that. I just pushed through and thought I've just got to get it done. But from a neuroscience perspective, our brains are constantly, constantly adapting to stress. 00:04:28 Speaker 3: But the problem is, and you. 00:04:29 Speaker 2: And I have discussed this in various ways on other episodes, is that when stress becomes chronic, our brains and our bodies begin to treat that stress as normal. So some early mental and emotional signs include increased irritability or emotional numbness, difficulty concentrating or remembering, racing, or repetitive negative thoughts might also include losing interest in things that once brought us joy, or even feeling overwhelmed by decisions that used to feel manageable. But at what I want you to hear, friends, is that these aren't character flaws. They're actually God given signals from your nervous system. 00:05:16 Speaker 1: That brings me help right there. Because I can't tell you how many times that I've struggled with all of those things that you've said, and I'm like, oh, I must need to mature more, or I've got something inherently wrong with me. But to hear you say that they're just signals from my nervous system makes me like I have a sigh of relief now. And spiritually, those same signals often show up as disconnection. You might notice that prayer feels harder, scripture feels flat, or you're more reactive rather than reflective. Sometimes we label it as a faith problem when it's actually exhaustion or emotional overload. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: I think one of the most noticeable aspects when we talk about taking care of our. 00:06:02 Speaker 3: Whole self is the physical aspect. 00:06:05 Speaker 2: I think that's the aspect that grabs our attention. But the problem is is that our bodies often speak before our minds catch up. Things like sleep disturbance, sleeping too much or having difficulty sleeping, chronic tension which I hold in my shoulders and my neck. By the time it reaches my scalp, then I start to pay attention. 00:06:31 Speaker 3: We can experience. 00:06:32 Speaker 2: Headaches, digestive issues, or changes an appetite, and those are all warning signals that we need to pay attention early. 00:06:40 Speaker 1: On right, or you find yourself pushing through fatigue telling yourself I'll rest later, without realizing that later never comes. And ignoring the body signals doesn't make us more faithful, it often makes us more fragile. 00:06:57 Speaker 2: In fact, I would go so far as to say that when we ignore our body's signals, we can only do that for so long before our body gets to the place where it makes us sit up and pay attention. 00:07:11 Speaker 3: Right. 00:07:12 Speaker 2: So let's talk about why we miss the signs, because I think if we did a poll just most people would acknowledge that they often pushed through the early warning signs. 00:07:23 Speaker 3: Yes, So the question is why. 00:07:24 Speaker 2: From a brain science perspective, one of the reasons that we miss these signs is because our stress response system, which we've talked about before, that's the amygdala, It gets louder, while the part of the brain responsible for discernment and perspective, that's the prefrontal cortex, that gets quieter. And that is when we tend to normalize exhaustion. It's when we tend to minimize emotional pain, and we tend to rationalize un healthy patterns. 00:08:01 Speaker 3: I don't know if you can. 00:08:02 Speaker 2: Relate to any of those, Jessica, but I can relate to all of them. 00:08:06 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Exhaustion I thought that was a badge of honor. 00:08:11 Speaker 4: And. 00:08:13 Speaker 3: Yeah it's not, but I did. 00:08:15 Speaker 1: Think it was. And minimizing emotional pain, absolutely, there's enough pain. It's always like, well, someone else has it harder than me, right, or rationalize unhealthy patterns like having too many cookies or because I like to eat my pain away. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: Right. 00:08:32 Speaker 1: Those are just the things that we do physically, but spiritually we often confuse endurance with faithfulness, and that leads us to the fact that we forget that Jesus regularly withdrew to rest, pray, and recalibrate. If the Son of God needs rhythms of restoration, so do we. Friends. We're going to continue our conversation about how to care for your whole self biblical and brain based health for mind, body, and spirit after we take this brief break for a word for our sponsor. 00:09:12 Speaker 2: And welcome back to your Hope Field perspective. Today, we're having an important conversation in recognition of World Health Day. We're talking about how to care for your whole self biblical and brain based health for mind, body, and spirit. And before the break, we talked about why we often missed the early warning science. But I think it's important that now we turn our conversation to what to do when you notice your slipping. When you notice the slide, the goal isn't to fix everything, it's to create safety and regulation. So some practical brain based steps are Number one, name what you're experiencing, because labeling emotions often reduces their intense. If you can stop in the moment and say I'm afraid yep, then you interrupt that flight or fright response. Number two, slow your body first, things like deep breathing, grounding exercises that we've discussed in previous episodes, and gentle movement. Slow your body down because then you regain control rather than continuing to slide down this slippery slope into a really difficult place to come out of. Number three challenge distorted thoughts. What do I mean by that? Ask yourself? Is this thought true? Is it helpful? And is it aligned with God's truth? Too often we have thoughts that go unchecked. We don't even pay attention to whether or not they're true. We just accept them as if they are. 00:10:53 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:10:53 Speaker 2: And then my fourth suggestion is to reduce cognitive load if you can make fewer decisions. Yea, simplify your schedule, create more margin. Friends, this is not a sign of weakness, it's actually wisdom. 00:11:09 Speaker 1: That's so good. If I were listening right now, i'd be taking notes. In fact, as you were speaking, I'm like repeating each of these over and over again because I have found them to be true. Yeah, the just even creating margin. There was a string of weeks, three weeks in a row where I was just pretty much busy, like there was no margin. I scheduled a day called margin, and I didn't allow myself to schedule anything else except margin, and I felt so refreshed by that. Yeah, sometimes the most spiritual thing you can do is to eat a balanced meal, drink some water, or get some sleep. 00:11:46 Speaker 2: So what you're actually talking about is, in addition to caring for our emotional or cognitive load, you're talking about taking a physical reset. 00:11:56 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:11:56 Speaker 1: Yes, I had a physical reset one Friday not too long ago, and I'm so thankful that I did. I remember thinking, I don't know if I have time to do this, but I felt the Holy Spirit WI spirts imperative. You need to have a rest day a physical rest day, and I did. I ate good, I drank lots of water, and I slept a lot, and it was wonderful. 00:12:20 Speaker 2: I wish that I could say I followed your example. On my calendar, I actually put pajama day, which I can't tell you the last time I've done that. It was probably a decade ago when in North Texas we had twelve flakes of snow so everything shut down. That's probably the last time I had a pajama day. So I had it scheduled on my calendar. But I realized that I had some difficulties with time margin coming up, and so rather than taking that pajama day, I pushed through additional tasks. I did not have the same experience that you did, Jessica. I did not feel refreshed. I did not feel more alert. I did not feel like I had increased strength to go into the next week. In fact, I felt the opposite. I was physically depleted. I was irritable, and as a result, about a week or two later, and I can't say that it was causation, but there was definitely a correlation, because about a week or two later, I became sick, got the common cold, and I was forced to physically rest for a couple days straight. But it wasn't the relaxing kind of rest that the pajama day on my calendar would have been. It was forced rest where I physically couldn't do. 00:13:37 Speaker 3: Anything but be in bed. 00:13:39 Speaker 2: So let's talk about some reasons why physical reset early on is important. Yes, I mean sleep deprivation alone increases anxiety, depression, and emotional reactivity. Caring for your body is not separate from caring for your soul. 00:13:57 Speaker 1: That is so true. And I'd like us to talk about spiritual reorientation. You see, spiritually, this is the moment to return to presence, not performance. Presence not performance. 00:14:12 Speaker 3: That is not what I did. No, I focused on performance. 00:14:17 Speaker 1: And I bet the next time you put pajama day in your calendar, you're gonna remember. Yeah, you're right, you're going to take that pajama day. In fact, I was just sitting here thinking we should commit to one another and invite our listeners to schedule a physical rest day on their calendar. And I'm gonna if I can. If you do that, let us know and we'll celebrate with you that you're choosing presence and not performance in fact, we can start to say simple prayers like Lord here I am, or God search me and lead me, or Holy Spirit, restore my soul. We don't heel by striving, We heal by abiding. 00:15:01 Speaker 3: Oh say that again. 00:15:03 Speaker 1: We don't heal by striving. We heal by abiding. 00:15:10 Speaker 2: And that's the difference between you taking that margin day on your calendar and me not taking that pajama day to rest. I was striving to fit in just a little bit more. 00:15:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's no shame attash. 00:15:27 Speaker 2: I don't feel shame, but I feel like that was a really good reminder so that I could share it with you. Please attend to your body when you get those early warning signs. Just I fully believe that you listen to the Holy Spirit that said, Okay, you've you've worked hard. 00:15:43 Speaker 3: Now you need some margin, you need some rest time. Yeah. So let's talk. 00:15:47 Speaker 2: Now about now that we know why we tend to miss the early warning signs, and now that we've discussed what to do when you notice that you're slipping, let's talk about guarding your whole self going forward. I want to use the experience that I recently had as a reminder that rest, that margin can actually be considered holy practices. When we consider that Jesus, who was most holy, did those things, he was our model. So guarding our whole self going forward, let's start by talking about mental and emotional guardrails. Guarding your mental and emotional health actually means building awareness and rhythms. Hmm, like regular emotional check ins. Why did I respond that way? How would I have liked to have responded, and what contributed to how I did respond? What was the underlying emotional driver? That's an emotional check in. I would also suggest that we notice the stress patterns before they escalate. Maybe invite our closest friends or family member, or to just help us recognize when things are starting to escalate, to encourage us to slow down, take a pause, Take ten minutes to sit out in the sunshine. Yeah, take ten minutes to take a walk and lower your cortisol. You could even set up reminders on your phone. You can set up alarms on your phone at certain times during the day and the note could be breathe yeah, because sometimes we get so focused on the doing that we're breathing out of the upper part of our chest instead of fully from our diaphragm, and that just signals to your brain. 00:17:36 Speaker 3: Okay, there's a state of alert here. 00:17:38 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:17:39 Speaker 2: I would even go so far going forward, set boundaries around information intake. One of the best things I did recently was to set boundaries around how much I would allow myself to consume social media or to even post on social media. 00:17:57 Speaker 3: That was life giving. 00:18:00 Speaker 2: Recommendation I would make is to replace self criticism with curiosity. Jessica and I are not trying to be a task master. We are not criticizing if you've fallen into any of these patterns, because certainly we've admitted that we have. 00:18:16 Speaker 3: But if we can replace. 00:18:17 Speaker 2: The self criticism, which just leads into guilt, shame, and regret, with curiosity by asking, like some of those questions, I suggested, Gee, what was my feeling when I responded that way? 00:18:29 Speaker 3: What was really at the root of. 00:18:31 Speaker 2: That response, and how could I have done something differently to lead to a better response. If we think about this, Jessica, as maintenance and not crisis management, we can prevent some of these derails going forward. 00:18:47 Speaker 1: I love the way that you frame that within guardrails. I've used that when I was raising my kids, and I talked about how some of the standards that we live by, our guardrails. And I told them, I said, you can get a close to that as you want, but notice that you might fall through or fall over. And sometimes I think I do that with my own self. Some of the things that you say, I can't tell you how many times were, especially the breathing one, where it's like, when was the last time I took a deep breath today? When was the last time I actually looked out a window and noticed the sky or the clouds, or the sunshine, or the way that the trees make shadows on the ground. Those are such good guard rails to consider and to think of it as maintenance and not crisis management. I don't like to be in crisis. I don't like the person that I can be when I'm in too much of a crisis management mode, because then I start managing everybody and they don't need me to manage themselves. I have enough trouble managing my own. Maintenance. I love that word, because our bodies thrive on consistency and not perfection. So we're going to turn our eyes towards that physical stewardship. And I have seen that, like I just said, I will sometimes forget to breathe like forget to breathe deep. And I've learned when my heart is racing, I can't control. I can't control how faster my heart races, but I can control my breathing. And when I can get a hold of my breathing and start doing those inhale, hold for four, exhale, hold for four inhale, I notice that my heart rate starts to return to normal. And when I take those rest days, I find that I am far more capable of handling the issues that come up during the day. And I have discovered that my body is thriving on consistency and not perfection. I don't do it right every time. I just have to tell you. Sometimes there's days before I realize when was the last time I took some deep breaths. But I'm consistently trying, and I'm consistently trying to pay more attention to my breath. 00:20:58 Speaker 2: And I think that's what we're talking about with respect to physical stewardship. How do we steward those aspects that affect our physical well being, things like movement, nutrition, sleep and rest, which, by the way, sleep and rest are not the same thing, but they're not moral issues, but they do deeply affect our resilience. And what you were talking about with even remembering to take a deep breath, it seems like such an inconsequential task. But if we would recognize just how powerful it is to settle our minds, to settle our heart rate, to still our thoughts so we can think more clearly, that's one of the simplest things that we can do that impacts our whole self. 00:21:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I loved how you explain that sleep and rest are not the same. I was just I just had this conversation yesterday with someone at church. I said, I love my Sunday afternoons because it's like I'm sleeping with my eyes open, and they looked at me. I said, I'm resting. I like to be awake to enjoy my rest time. Yes, I take a short nap that I like to be aware of when I'm resting. There's something so peaceful and refreshing to me when I sit in my recliner, soft blanket, cup of coffee, maybe a book, maybe not. And I'm a eight to enjoy my rest and I find that it does build resilience. Spiritually, we need to build resilience as well, and we can do this through spiritual formation. Guarding our health means that we need to anchor our identity in Christ. Our identity is not found in productivity, it's not found in approval, it's not found in how well we endure. Our identity is anchored in Christ. And there are practices that we can do to help shore up that anchor, so to speak. We can begin by practicing a sabbath. Now, for some of us, the idea of taking a twenty four hour sabbath seems huge, like, we don't have twenty four hours just a sabbath, But how about a couple of hours on a Sunday afternoon. Start small. Another spiritual practice that we can do is scripture meditation. This might be having like the Scripture of the Day as a widget on your phone, so that every time you open your phone there is that Scripture of the day. You version has a great, great option, Or we find a verse that really means something to us and we write handwrite, take the time to handwrite it out on a note card and slap it on our dash of our car, or put it on our mirror or in the kitchen by a cupboard. A third spiritual practice that we can do is honest lament. Now, lament is this language of grieving. I'm gonna call it grieving because it's this honestly sharing all of our heart art aches, our pain, our disappointment, wrapped in the kind of bookmarked with praise and trust. But we have to do it honestly. I found it's really hard for me to honestly praise God when I'm keeping my honest feelings from him. It's challenging to honestly trust Him with everything when I'm holding something back. So this honest lament is a wonderful spiritual practice that not only helps us clear out the gunk in our own heart and our soul, but it also builds that faith and trust in Him and settles our identity in Him because we're taking everything to Him. And the fourth spiritual practice that we can do is community. God did not intend for us to live this Christian life in isolation. He intended for us to live in community. Small groups, churches, Bible studies, online faith based communities, community, honest lament, scripture, meditation, and Sabbath all keep us aligned with God's design for wholeness. 00:25:09 Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you brought up all four of those spiritual formation practices. I was not incredibly familiar with lament in my early walk with the Lord, and friends, you might not be either. That can sound like a heady word, but I wrote a whole chapter about lament in my book, The Hem of his Garment, reaching out to God when pain overwhelms. And Jessica, I like how you said it is sandwiched in between praise and trusting God. There's a difference between lament and complaining. God abhors complaining, but he invites honest lament wrapped in. 00:25:46 Speaker 3: Praise and trust. 00:25:47 Speaker 2: Friends, we're going to take a real short break for a word from our sponsor. But when we return, Jessica and I will offer ten things you can ask yourself to help you notice early warning signs of ill health and move towards intentional, Christ centered wholeness. 00:26:02 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. 00:26:07 Speaker 2: So, now that we've talked about where we tend to slip and why we do, and how we can put up guard rails, just let's talk about ten things we can ask ourselves so that we can notice the early warning signs and course correct. If you will, number one, I would say when I feel off, which part of me usually shows it first, my thoughts, my emotions, my body, or my spiritual life? And how do I typically respond that's a good one? 00:26:40 Speaker 1: Number two? What mental or emotional patterns have I begun to normalize? They may actually be signals of chronic stress or overload. 00:26:51 Speaker 2: Number three. How does my current pace of life support or undermine my ability to think clearly, regulate my emotions and remain spiritually attentive? 00:27:04 Speaker 1: Number four. What physical cues such as sleep, tension, fatigue, appetite, or pain have I been overlooking or pushing through instead of listening to? 00:27:18 Speaker 3: Number five? 00:27:19 Speaker 2: When stress rises, what thoughts about myself, God, or my circumstances tend to become louder? And are those thoughts aligned with truth? 00:27:32 Speaker 1: Number six? In what ways might my spiritual practices have become performative rather than restorative? And what would it look like to return to the presence of God? 00:27:47 Speaker 2: Number seven? What boundaries mental, physical, emotional, or spiritual do I need to establish to reinforce to guard my overall health? 00:27:58 Speaker 1: Number eight? Who has permission to lovingly notice and speak into my life when they see signs that I may be slipping into ill health. 00:28:09 Speaker 2: That goes back to the accountability factor, which helps Number nine. What is one small sustainable change I could make this week that would support my mind, body, and spirit, not just one area but all three. 00:28:24 Speaker 1: Number ten, If I truly believed my well being mattered to God, how might I care for myself differently? 00:28:33 Speaker 2: Friends, We've just given you ten important reflection questions. 00:28:37 Speaker 3: You might even want to go back. 00:28:39 Speaker 2: And listen to this segment of the episode again and jot them down, But I think those ten questions can help to make a significant difference in your overall well being going forward. If you are realizing today that you're running on empty, let me gently say you're not failing, but you arec receiving information, and information allows us to choose differently going for I. 00:29:06 Speaker 1: Love that you're encouraging us to do that. Michelle, and I want to say that whole health isn't about doing more. It's about listening better. It's about listening to your body, to your mind, and to the spirit of God within you. 00:29:19 Speaker 2: As we honor World Health Day, our prayer is that you would begin caring for your whole self, not out of pressure, that out of partnership with the God who created you the God who knows you and longs to restore you. 00:29:33 Speaker 3: Jess. 00:29:34 Speaker 2: As we close out this episode, if of your listeners resonating with our conversation today, what hope filled perspective would you offer them? 00:29:41 Speaker 1: I would want to remind you that God sees you. He is the God who sees. He first received that name in the desert when Hagar and her son were sent off. They were kicked out and she felt desperate, and God said I see you. So today, as we honor World Health Day, remember that God sees you. He sees your physical health, your mental health, your emotional well being, your spiritual health, and He has good plans for all of you, your whole self. So listen in trust him, and take the next step. 00:30:15 Speaker 2: I would also add, friend, that you are worth caring for fully, faithfully and well. Let me remind you as we close out this episode of Proverbs four twenty through twenty three that says, my son, pay attention to my words, Listen closely to my sayings. Don't lose sight of them, but keep them within your heart, for they are life to those who find them, and health to one's whole body. Guard your heart above all else, for it is the source of life. Friends, let this be a reminder that what we allow into our minds and hearts directly impacts our whole being. 00:30:53 Speaker 1: I'd like to pray for us, Heavenly Father, thank you so much that you see us, that you call us to God our hearts. Lord, It's true that what's in our heart comes out. So Lord, as we take time to sit with you today to hear from you today, Lord, I pray that you would encourage us to steward our whole selves. Lord, that we wouldn't compartmentalize ourself, because you don't compartmentalize us. You see us as a whole being, mind, body, spirit. So Lord, we give ourselves to you in a fresh new way, and we say, Lord, we're going to trust you. We're going to steward this body, this heart, this mind. Well, we praise you for what you're going to do in us in Jesus' name. Amen. 00:31:41 Speaker 3: Amen. 00:31:42 Speaker 2: Friends, if there was something in today's episode that resonated with you, or you know someone who's struggling with caring appropriately for their whole self, please consider sharing this episode so that they'll have a biblically based Hope Field perspective. 00:31:55 Speaker 3: For handling it. 00:31:56 Speaker 2: We look forward to being with you again next week for another hope field price. But in the meantime, it's our prayer for you that you would take some of what you heard today and put it into place. We're talking about small baby steps. We don't expect you to overhaul your entire well being, but commit to the Lord to doing as he guides you. Until we're together again next week. It's my prayer for you that you have a hope filled week. 00:32:23 Speaker 5: Everyone experiences pain at times. It can manifest physically, emotionally, relationally, or spiritually. 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