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Speaker 1: Somewhere in the bowels of the city that never sleeps.

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Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, radio host with Sailor Media.

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Speaker 3: Is a man also not sleeping in the.

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Speaker 2: Color and that guy would like a word with you.

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Speaker 2: Many of you know him when its votes for Damas.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that Kevin Show is going to be great.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that could be greater, of course, would

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Speaker 1: be that Donald's Show, but we don't have that.

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Speaker 3: So we have that Kevin Show featuring the music of

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Speaker 3: Dick Tunny and the Dream in Color Orchestraw, straight ahead,

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Speaker 3: everything you need to know about the top headlines of

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Speaker 3: the day and a perspective that will give you some

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Speaker 3: externity to it, plus practical tips for family life, spiritual life,

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Speaker 3: and good old regular life. It's Conn McCollough Monday through

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Speaker 3: Friday on that Kevin sho I know from the honors

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Speaker 3: in Sullivan Broadcast Studios, a man who is not what

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Speaker 3: he wants to be, but is way grateful that is

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Speaker 3: not who he used to be.

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Speaker 2: Here, well welcome, it is. Gosh darn it, it is

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Speaker 2: a special day. I don't know how to put it

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Speaker 2: any other way. My entire universe of friends and family

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Speaker 2: and folks have just come out of the woodwork to

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Speaker 2: wish me a happy birthday today. And I didn't think

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Speaker 2: that my fifty sixth birthday was a very big deal.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think there would be many people interested in

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Speaker 2: even acknowledging it. I really wasn't that interested in acknowledging it.

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Speaker 2: And yet my lovely bride, my tremendous friend, even the

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Speaker 2: snarky ones in the football text thread, my friends at

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Speaker 2: Agency one thirty in Dallas, the whole family. There a

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Speaker 2: lot of my friends in life that are just around

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Speaker 2: the area, and even my musician friends from around the

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Speaker 2: globe have all registered their and their wishes and thanks

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Speaker 2: and happy birthdays to me, And I just it just

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Speaker 2: does a man's heart nice. I don't. I don't look

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Speaker 2: for much out of life. I don't ask for anything.

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Speaker 2: When when my bride asked me, you know where do

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Speaker 2: you want to go for dinner? And that you pick

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Speaker 2: you're better at it than me? You know what? What

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Speaker 2: what about this? What about that? There was? There was

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Speaker 2: just nothing on the planet that I that I longed for.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I am a guy that is very content

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Speaker 2: and very happy and very grateful for all the blessings

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Speaker 2: that God has already put in my life, and I

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Speaker 2: want to live in that space of gratitude all the time,

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Speaker 2: so I really don't. I don't think about my birthday

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Speaker 2: when it rolls around. It is not something that is

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Speaker 2: that is on my mind. And yet today, family from

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Speaker 2: all over the country, friends from all over the country,

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Speaker 2: co workers, past co workers have all reached out and

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Speaker 2: wished me happy birthday, and several of them have said

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Speaker 2: very nice things like, well, you don't look fifty six,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, thank you that. I guess on

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe convince myself that I'm not getting into,

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Speaker 2: you know, whatever the next stage of life is. And look,

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Speaker 2: I know in my business in the talk media realm,

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Speaker 2: So I'm not. I'm not in any way wishing to

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Speaker 2: that I was not expecting and she and my bride.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what to do. What do

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Speaker 2: Like that's a that's a because she went behind my

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Speaker 2: these pictures from my life, and nearly every one of

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Speaker 2: such that they capture such special times and memories. There's

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Speaker 2: this one of my daughter sitting on my lap. We're

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Speaker 2: not anywhere near that small any anymore. She's going to

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Speaker 2: she would give me these hugs and she would just say, Daddy,

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Speaker 2: you know, she's just my world kind of just you know,

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Speaker 2: know that it's already being talked about. Somehow. Somebody found

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Speaker 2: a picture from my time at Moody Radio in Chicago

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Speaker 2: about one hundred and eighty five years ago, when I

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Speaker 2: I look like Rick Springfield or something like it is

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Speaker 2: like he's a pop keyboard player. No, it was. It

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Speaker 2: so thank you. Thank you Amy, thank you Allison, thank

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Speaker 2: you Jay and Charlie and Rick and all the rest.

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Speaker 2: And thank you Aunt Karen, Uncle Kevin and Vicky, everybody

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Speaker 2: that's been weighing in, all the friends on Facebook, all

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Speaker 2: the friends on Instagram. It's just it. You blew me away.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea. It was just really special. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for doing all of that. Totally unnecessary and

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Speaker 2: yet deeply deeply appreciated. Coming up on today's show, let

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Speaker 2: wellness stuff. In the second hour. Doctor Moniki Johnnon is

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Speaker 2: going to be back with us from the Independent Women's Forum.

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Speaker 2: She is focused on the commemoration of the legalization of

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Speaker 2: the Affordable Care Act otherwise known as Obamacare. Where do

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Speaker 2: got how do we live? Pastor Stone Day, Dave Pastor

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Speaker 2: he has just completed a document entry on the existence

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Speaker 2: I believe. Let me do the math real quick. We

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Speaker 2: are just right at one hundred children to go to

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Speaker 2: this to be a struggle. So if you've been, if

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Speaker 2: you've been intending to to help us feed children and

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Speaker 2: give them clean drinking water. Please take action today. We're

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Speaker 2: going to double the impact of your gift because we

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Speaker 2: have a matching challenge. It's underway today, so if you

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Speaker 2: Seventy five dollars per child. Two kids can be fed

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Speaker 2: And let me just tell you this, that's two meals

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Speaker 2: Can you can you just please see your way to

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Speaker 2: doing that right now. It'll make all the difference in

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Speaker 2: the world. Kevin call it coming.

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Speaker 1: Right down here.

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Speaker 4: He is from New York exact Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, It's Wednesday. Glad you're with us.

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot to talk about, as the news

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Speaker 2: let's ask a big question. How should we live? How

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Speaker 2: And that's a particularly relevant question in the days in

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Speaker 2: just loves talking about the goodness of God. And Dave,

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Speaker 2: contemplating these big questions. But today we moved to John

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Speaker 5: you think, thank you so much for having me. It's

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Speaker 5: important for a number of reasons. In fact, as you noticed,

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Speaker 5: will ever find in that garden. Is important because it

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Speaker 5: was important to our Lord. It was a getaway for him.

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Speaker 5: You know, President has Camp David right and places like that,

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Speaker 5: but Jesus place to get away from when he would

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Speaker 2: pause on it for today. Friends, I hope that this

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Speaker 2: There is probably not nearly enough written about the next

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Speaker 2: And this is our second film in the series. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we didn't have you on for the first one,

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Speaker 2: so apologies for that, but we're glad to discuss this.

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Speaker 2: So the concept of the film is you just talk

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Speaker 2: to people that have had experiences and they tell you

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Speaker 2: their story. Now I know that there are cynics listening

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Speaker 2: watching saying, okay, Billy said that they were credible. What

442
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Speaker 2: kind of credibility test was applied to more or less

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Speaker 2: ensure that your claim is true? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I love that, and I love that question because I think,

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Speaker 8: at the end of the day, the last thing I

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Speaker 8: want to do, as somebody who's a journalist and I

447
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Speaker 8: love to investigate these things, is to give people information

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Speaker 8: that's not true. And so we spent a long time

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Speaker 8: vetting stories both on angels and demons.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to look at both.

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Speaker 8: And I will tell you I'm a natural even though

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Speaker 8: I'm a Christian, I'm a natural skeptic. If you tell

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Speaker 8: me you've had some demonic experience, my first reaction is

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Speaker 8: prove it to me, give me the evidence, tell me

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Speaker 8: something that will show me that what you're telling me

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Speaker 8: is true. And so we were able to really dig

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Speaker 8: into medical records. You know, if you're talking about a

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Speaker 8: situation where somebody has had a near death experience, for instance,

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Speaker 8: or they've had some element where they've encountered these things

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Speaker 8: that we can verify. We went to every length we

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Speaker 8: could to find that verification. You can verify through other people,

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Speaker 8: through other witnesses. Right, So we went out really by

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Speaker 8: the time we went out to film these interviews, we

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Speaker 8: had a very good idea of what we were dealing with,

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Speaker 8: and so we knew they were very credible stories. But

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Speaker 8: even then, you walk in and you're like, Okay, you're

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Speaker 8: telling me you had a near death experience, you saw

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Speaker 8: angels and you had a miracle healing.

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Speaker 2: Prove that to me.

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Speaker 8: And so our goal was to provide the information, and

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Speaker 8: not just the information, but also reenactments. We spent a

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Speaker 8: lot of time and money on reenactments to show people

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Speaker 8: what happened, what did it look like, because storytelling often

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Speaker 8: requires that.

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Speaker 2: So there are multiple, multiple layers of this.

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Speaker 8: But we felt very confident walking away from every story

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Speaker 8: that we had done our due diligence to you know,

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Speaker 8: offer scientific information.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we have.

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Speaker 8: A psychiatrist, we have a psychologist, you know, we have

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Speaker 8: people who are are science people as well medical professionals

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Speaker 8: involved in this so that we could.

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Speaker 2: Really look at every aspect of it. I want to

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Speaker 2: take a break and come back with Billy Hollowell. I

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Speaker 2: want to I want I want to get the answer

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Speaker 2: to the question of why do you think there's such

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Speaker 2: within christian within Christendom, a push to try to deflate

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Speaker 2: these ideas and experiences so readily and so out of hand.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me that the church should be about

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Speaker 2: wanting to know facts, wanting to know actual historical substance,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to wanting to believe something to be true

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Speaker 2: or not true. And I'm wondering where that desire comes from.

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Speaker 2: If you think it's fear, if you think it's uncertainty,

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Speaker 2: what is it that drives that, Because there is an element,

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Speaker 2: especially in evangelicalism, to dismiss a bunch of this stuff

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Speaker 2: out of hand. We'll be right back Billy halliwell as

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Speaker 2: with us from CBN as a brand new director producer

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Speaker 2: of the documentary that we're discussing here on Angels and Demons,

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Speaker 2: can tell you how you can see it. And coming

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Speaker 2: right back to Uncle one.

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Speaker 1: Here he is from New York that n Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mccallough. Glad to have you with us.

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Speaker 2: We haven't talked about this topic ever since we've been

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Speaker 2: doing this version of the show, and that points to

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Speaker 2: a little bit of what I was just saying. In

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Speaker 2: the last segment that this is a subject matter that

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Speaker 2: has gone on some level quite quiet in Christian circles.

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Speaker 2: Whereas you know, thirty years ago Frank Peretti's this present darkness,

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Speaker 2: lots of theological books written about whether or not spiritual

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Speaker 2: warfare was real, angels, demons, all the rest of this.

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Speaker 2: As our guest said in the last segment, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of been turned over to the Tom Hankses of the world,

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Speaker 2: and that's a really bad place for it to all

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Speaker 2: end up, being so billy, We're grateful. The film is

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Speaker 2: called Investigating the Supernatural, Angels and Demons. It's the second

517
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Speaker 2: of a three part series, and we're talking about real

518
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Speaker 2: life of day to day folks that experienced this stuff.

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Speaker 2: What was the Well, let me get an answer to

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Speaker 2: the question that we went to break on. Why do

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Speaker 2: you think there's such pushback still in Christendom as to

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Speaker 2: whether or not these things actually do occur?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there are so many layers to this.

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Speaker 8: On one hand, you have the secular culture pushing in

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Speaker 8: to the church, right, and so you have this fear

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Speaker 8: of looking weird or seeming strange, and so I mean,

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Speaker 8: I went my whole life to church, and every pastor

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Speaker 8: would say they obviously they believe in the devil, they

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Speaker 8: believe in evil, they believe in demons, they believe in angels,

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Speaker 8: but nobody ever preached or talked about it. And what's

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Speaker 8: so fascinating to me is Ephesian six is so clear

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Speaker 8: we are living in a spiritual battle. That you have

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Speaker 8: to fight the battle by being a Christian, by reading

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Speaker 8: your Bible, by living right. But you have to take

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Speaker 8: up the shield of faith. That's what that means. And

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Speaker 8: yet we have a church that is not equipping people

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Speaker 8: to recognize that they're in a battle. You cannot win

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Speaker 8: a battle you don't know you're in. And so that

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Speaker 8: has been something for me that is so convicting because

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Speaker 8: these churches, the ones who don't talk about this, these pastors,

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Speaker 8: they're putting people at such a disadvantage. But I think

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Speaker 8: it's the fear of looking weird. I think it's also

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Speaker 8: because of the material nature of the West. We are

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Speaker 8: not thinking about spiritual things. We talk about them sometimes,

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Speaker 8: but we don't want to acknowledge that this is very real.

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Speaker 8: You go other places, look, they're dealing with this stuff,

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Speaker 8: and they're talking about it, and they're seeing miracles happen

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Speaker 8: at a rate that's way higher than we are, and

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Speaker 8: so we've become apathetic, we've become lazy, and I think

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Speaker 8: we've abdicated our responsibility.

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Speaker 2: But here's the I mean, you cover the news every day.

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Speaker 8: You can't make sense of what is happening in the

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Speaker 8: world if you don't understand evil and ephesion six and

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Speaker 8: how evil and good are fighting a battle that is

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Speaker 8: pouring over into the world around us, and it affects

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Speaker 8: everything from our lives onward. And so I do think

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Speaker 8: it's it's a little bit of laziness and fear. But

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Speaker 8: by the way, eighty one percent of the country, if

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Speaker 8: not more, believes there's something spiritual beyond of this.

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Speaker 2: That's the stat that gets me, because we have this

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Speaker 2: weird uncertainty fear that is in the back of our heads,

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Speaker 2: and yet we all cop to saying, oh, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I believe that stuff happens. And the problem that I

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Speaker 2: have with that, Billy, is that if the church leaves

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Speaker 2: a vacuum, then other forces will always fill it. And

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Speaker 2: if the Church isn't helping us understand what's happening in

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Speaker 2: this arena, you're going to have the Spielbergs and Hanks's

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Speaker 2: and other people of the world come in with their

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Speaker 2: ideas of what it looks like, and it's not going

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Speaker 2: to be biblical, and it's not going to be based

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Speaker 2: on what God has to say about it, which is

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Speaker 2: ultimately what we need to understand and kind of react to.

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Speaker 2: So it's I think that what you're doing here is really,

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Speaker 2: really vital. So how do we live in the midst

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Speaker 2: of that. Our job is to not change mission, change course.

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Speaker 2: But this is one of those, I feel like areas

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Speaker 2: where you know, engagement sometimes can be latched onto or

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Speaker 2: completely shunned based on how the handling of this discussion

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Speaker 2: of evil goes.

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Speaker 8: Oh absolutely, I mean I think, look, people don't want

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Speaker 8: to be accountable right for their actions. Theyn't want to

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Speaker 8: be accountable to sin, so it's easy to try to

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Speaker 8: come up with some other spiritual formation that doesn't require that,

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Speaker 8: which is why Christianity requires that we die to ourselves,

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Speaker 8: that we realize that our desires may not align with

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Speaker 8: what God wants, and so the secular culture is going

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Speaker 8: to reject that. What is said is when the church

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Speaker 8: culture isn't equipping the people of the church. I mean, look,

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Speaker 8: The stats on biblical worldview are horrific. It's like four

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Speaker 8: percent of Americans have a biblical worldview. And so that's

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Speaker 8: because we've abdicated our responsibility. We don't want to talk

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Speaker 8: about evil because it's it's more unpleasant. When you look

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Speaker 8: at the polling data, it's interesting people are more likely

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Speaker 8: to believe in heaven in God than they are Satan

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Speaker 8: in hell.

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Speaker 2: Well, why is that again?

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Speaker 8: You have to you have to think, well, I might

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Speaker 8: be condemned for my actions if I don't accept Jesus.

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Speaker 8: What does that mean for me? And so people don't

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Speaker 8: want to think about those things. But this proper understanding

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Speaker 8: of evil, it points us back to God. Actually, when

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Speaker 8: we fully understand it, we know what the solution is.

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Speaker 8: We know that Jesus wins this battle. The battle, though

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Speaker 8: is not over, We are very much in it. And

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Speaker 8: I think too many of us are reading the Bible

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Speaker 8: as though it's a book that already happened, that everything

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Speaker 8: in it already happened, and we're sort of reading this history.

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Speaker 8: And there is a lot of history, and there are

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Speaker 8: a lot of things that already happened, but they're intricately

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Speaker 8: tied to what has not yet happened. And the Bible

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Speaker 8: talks about a lot of prophecy right that has not happened,

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Speaker 8: and so we are very much in it.

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Speaker 2: And so when Paul talks about this spiritual.

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Speaker 8: Battle that we're in in Ephesian six, it is an

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Speaker 8: active you know, just when he wrote it, it was

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Speaker 8: just as active as it is today. And so I

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Speaker 8: think people just they struggle with anything that feels supernatural,

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Speaker 8: yet they fail to realize that our whole existence is

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Speaker 8: supernatural God's creation.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you and I sitting here talking the way

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Speaker 8: we are right now, this is supernatural.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible. Firs. Sure, breath we took was breathed by

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Speaker 2: God into us. So it's like, you know, well it

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Speaker 2: has maybe more supernatural than that. Okay, Billy, let's tell

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Speaker 2: people where they can see the film, and what's your

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Speaker 2: ultimate goal for everybody watching or listening today? I mean,

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Speaker 2: how do we get how do we get people engaged?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so the film can be watched, It can be

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Speaker 8: streamed right now, CBN dot com, Forward slash Supernatural.

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Speaker 2: That's where you go for it.

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Speaker 8: You know, the goal for this film is to get

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Speaker 8: people thinking there are too many people walking around.

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Speaker 2: I don't care.

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Speaker 8: Look if you're an atheist and agnostic or a Christian,

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Speaker 8: this is a film for you. I think there's something

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Speaker 8: for everybody here. For Christians, my hope is that this

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Speaker 8: will get us thinking more about the faith we claim

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Speaker 8: to believe in. Do we understand every part of it?

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Speaker 8: Are we open to the fact that God is still moving,

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Speaker 8: that these things are still going on? Do we have

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Speaker 8: a proper framework for what evil means? We don't need

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Speaker 8: to be afraid of the demonic and that's something that's

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Speaker 8: really important. This is not a film to scare you.

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Speaker 8: It's a film to get you thinking. If you're a skeptic,

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Speaker 8: I think looking at this evidence is really important, you know.

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Speaker 8: In coming up with other answers, challenge me go to

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Speaker 8: Billy Hobbell dot com, write me a letter, me a note.

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Speaker 8: If you watch the film and you don't think that

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Speaker 8: there's evidence, or you have some question, or if you

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Speaker 8: have a story you want to share, share it. I

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Speaker 8: want to hear your stories as well. But our hope

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Speaker 8: is just to get people thinking and ultimately move them

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Speaker 8: closer to the Lord.

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Speaker 2: Billy Hollowell dot com. Hallowell is spelled H a double

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Speaker 2: L O W E. L. L. Billy Hallowell dot com

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Speaker 2: or go to CBN dot com backslash Supernatural to view

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Speaker 2: the film might be a good conversation starter even as

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Speaker 2: you're heading into Holy Week, to think about the real

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Speaker 2: supernatural act of defeating death and being resurrected afterwards. It's

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Speaker 2: pretty incredible stuff. Billy, appreciate you, Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you you got it. Kevin mccallaugh coming back from

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Speaker 2: Times Square. Super glad to have.

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Speaker 6: You with us.

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Speaker 4: Let's stick around for more of than Kevin next serving

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Speaker 4: it up with a no drink mittal.

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Speaker 2: It's that Kevin show, all right, friends, Kevin mccauaugh, Glad

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Speaker 2: to be with you, and very thankful for our new

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Speaker 2: friends in Bizmarck, North Dakota, and Peoria, Illinois and some

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Speaker 2: of the other places of Springfield, Missouri and others that

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Speaker 2: have gotten us new this week or this month the

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Speaker 2: last few days. It is always fun to see where

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Speaker 2: the show is going and touching people. We're getting more

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Speaker 2: calls from those of you that say that the show

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Speaker 2: is meaningful in your life, and we're what we're trying

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Speaker 2: to do here is be just that a meaningful resource.

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Speaker 2: As we close today, though, I want to sit with

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Speaker 2: something uncomfortable for a minute. A question that I've asked myself,

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Speaker 2: and even if you've never said it out loud, maybe

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Speaker 2: you've thought about it over the last couple of hours.

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Speaker 2: Why them? Why the children that we're talking about? Why

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Speaker 2: that child? Why did that child not eat in days?

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Speaker 2: Why that mother who has to pray over an empty pot?

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Speaker 2: Why that family who goes to bed with nothing but

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Speaker 2: hope for better tomorrow? And why me? Why do I

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Speaker 2: wake up safe? Why is my refrigerator full? Why do

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Speaker 2: I get to turn on a faucet and have delicious,

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Speaker 2: clean water coming out? Why do I get to live

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Speaker 2: in peace while somewhere else life is nothing but chaos.

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Speaker 2: Let's be real honest about this. None of us earned this,

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Speaker 2: None of us did. We didn't deserve this more than

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Speaker 2: the children we've been talking about. We didn't work harder

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Speaker 2: in the womb and get to pick which mom had us.

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Speaker 2: We didn't choose our birthplace. We didn't qualify for a blessing.

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Speaker 2: Grace chose us. Providence placed us. God put us here

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Speaker 2: not because we're better, but because he trusted us. He

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Speaker 2: trusted us to notice, he trusted us to care, He

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Speaker 2: trusts us to act, and somewhere tonight in those fifteen countries,

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Speaker 2: that Food for the Poor is working. In many somewheres tonight,

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Speaker 2: a child is whispering a prayer, God, please let there

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Speaker 2: be food tomorrow. And maybe, just maybe you're the answer

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Speaker 2: to that prayer. Maybe the reason you're listening right now,

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Speaker 2: Maybe the reason you stumbled across this show. Maybe the

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Speaker 2: reason you have a warm home and a full stomach

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Speaker 2: and peace in your life is because God is saying

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Speaker 2: to you, I'm sending my love through you. You're supposed

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Speaker 2: to be my agent in this. We live in a

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Speaker 2: world where suffering feels random, but compassion is never random.

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Speaker 2: Think about that. Opportunity is never random, Responsibility is never random.

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Speaker 2: When God lets you see pain, it's because he's inviting

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Speaker 2: you into purpose. And that's what Food for the Poor represents.

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Speaker 2: It's not just an organization. It's an answer, an answer

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Speaker 2: to the tears that a mother cries. It's an answer

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Speaker 2: to a hunger pain that a child feels. It's an

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Speaker 2: answer to desperate prayers. Through them, children eat, families survive,

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Speaker 2: communities rebuild, and souls hear the gospel. This isn't charity.

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Speaker 2: It's discipleship. It's love with hands and feet. It's faith

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Speaker 2: that shows up. And here's the truth. You can't fix

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Speaker 2: the whole world, but you can change someone's world. You

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Speaker 2: can't feed every hungry child, but you can feed one.

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Speaker 2: You can't stop every tragedy, but you can bring hope

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Speaker 2: into one life. And when you do, Heaven notices. Scripture says,

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Speaker 2: whatever you do for the least of these, you do

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Speaker 2: for me. So when you give, you're feeding Jesus. You're

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Speaker 2: loving Jesus, serving Jesus. Why them, because the world is broken?

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Speaker 2: Why you? Because God puts you in a position. He

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Speaker 2: gave you breath and provision and influence, not to hoard it,

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Speaker 2: to share it. That's God's invitation to you. If you

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Speaker 2: feel compelled, that's purpose awakening. Be part of the answer,

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Speaker 2: Be part of the miracle, Be part of the solution.

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Speaker 2: Let your comfort becomes someone else's survival, and lets your

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Speaker 2: blessing becomes someone else's breakthrough. That's why eight five five

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Speaker 2: nine oh seven four six seven three eight five five

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Speaker 2: nine oh seven four six seven three. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: next time on that Kevin Show.

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Speaker 1: Somewhere in the bowels of the City that Never sleeps.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Nicola, radio host with Salem Media, is a man

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Speaker 2: also not sleeping show.

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Speaker 3: Let's Tavin and that guy would like a word review.

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Speaker 2: Many of you know him from as Ester Damas of course, that.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Show is going to be a break.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that could be.

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Speaker 9: Greater, of course, would be that Donald Show.

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Speaker 1: We don't have that. So we have that Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Show featuring the music of Dick Tunny and the Dream

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Speaker 3: in color Orchestraw, straight ahead, everything you need to know

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Speaker 3: about the top headlines of the day and a perspective

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Speaker 3: that will give you some eternity to it. Plus practical

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Speaker 3: tips for family life, spiritual life, and good old regular life.

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Speaker 3: It's Kevin McCullough Monday through Friday on That Heaven Show

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Speaker 3: and now from the Connors in Sullivan Broadcast Studios.

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Speaker 2: The man who is not what he.

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Speaker 3: Wants to be, but is way grateful that is not

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Speaker 3: who he used to be.

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Speaker 10: Here, all right, welcome back Kevin McCollough hour two, and

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Speaker 10: again to those of you, the many of you that

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Speaker 10: have reached out and said happy birthday.

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Speaker 2: My heart is just overflowing with joy today, a good

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Speaker 2: deal of tears as well. Just it just means the

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Speaker 2: world to know that people care, and it seems kind

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Speaker 2: of profound that in this day and age that's something

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Speaker 2: that simple, is that moving, But to me, it truly

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Speaker 2: is and I just couldn't be more grateful. So thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. Coming up in this hour, doctor

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Speaker 2: Moniqui Johannon will be with us. We are going to

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Speaker 2: talk about all things related to the sixteenth commemoration of

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Speaker 2: the passing of obama Care, the Affordable Care Act, and

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Speaker 2: get some real answers on we were promised a lot

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Speaker 2: of things. How did it live up to its billing.

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Speaker 2: There's no presuppositions. We'll just ask the questions and let

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Speaker 2: the data speak. So I hope you'll be, you know,

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Speaker 2: staying with us for that should be very interesting. Doctor

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Speaker 2: Minikio hand in one of my favorites. I want to

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Speaker 2: get to something that's been bothering me over the last

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Speaker 2: couple of days, because on Monday, the news was very

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Speaker 2: promising that the President had come out and announced that

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Speaker 2: negotiations were going well with Iran. He was considering a

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Speaker 2: pause in some of the offensive operations, especially against energy infrastructure,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. The Iranians didn't like that, or some sector

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Speaker 2: of The Iranians didn't like that because on Tuesday they

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Speaker 2: came out and said, he's full of it, he doesn't

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Speaker 2: know what he's talking about, he's just lying, he's just

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Speaker 2: trying to buy time, blah blah blah. We talked with

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Speaker 2: Kati McFarland yesterday. She said, well, whether he meant it

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Speaker 2: or not, they should assume that he does. Kind like, well,

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Speaker 2: that makes sense, and Kat knows what she's talking about.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is this, we have decimated the entire

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Speaker 2: military operation of Iran. The IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard,

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Speaker 2: is in charge. Now. The Iyatola is just a hologram.

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Speaker 2: That dude is. He's cooked, there's nothing left of him.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody wants to become the next Dietola.

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Speaker 2: So this is the in just forty eight hours from

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Speaker 2: Monday to Tuesday. The president's saying good negotiations, then some

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Speaker 2: sector of Iranian leadership on Tuesday saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: no negotiations, blah blah blah, and then and then here's

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Speaker 2: the news today. So it keeps, it keeps rotating. But

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Speaker 2: if you want to understand what's really going on in

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Speaker 2: Iran right now, don't listen to the spin. Watch the behavior.

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Speaker 2: This is my advice. Watch who's being expelled, Watch who's

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Speaker 2: being deployed. Watch who's suddenly willing to talk? Because when

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Speaker 2: you line up the facts and not the narratives, you

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Speaker 2: see something that's pretty plain. This is not a stalemate.

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Speaker 2: This is a regime in total and complete collapse. Let's

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Speaker 2: start with some analysis here on the battlefield. According to

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Speaker 2: US leadership, Iran's military long type as a regional powerhouse,

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Speaker 2: has been dismantled at a pace even seasoned observers didn't expect.

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Speaker 2: War Secretary Pete Hegseth didn't mince words, describing the campaign

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Speaker 2: as historically decisive, noting that a modern military had been

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Speaker 2: rapidly obliterated from the outset. And that's pretty much what's happened.

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Speaker 2: They don't have anything to fight back with. That's not rhetoric,

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Speaker 2: that's results. We're talking about thousands of targets struck, critical infrastructure, neutralized,

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Speaker 2: naval assets destroyed, the Iranian navy sitting at the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the strait, and the regime's ability to project any

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Speaker 2: force across the region now dramatically reduced. And here's the

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Speaker 2: part that critics, you know, the forever war types. Quagmire

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Speaker 2: still can't process. The speed of how it happened matters,

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Speaker 2: because speed equals shock, and shock breaks. Regimes now layer

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Speaker 2: on top of what's happening diplomatically. Lebanon just told Iranian's

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Speaker 2: ambassador to pack his bags and get out. Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 2: followed suit, expelling Iranian officials and severing one of the

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Speaker 2: last functioning diplomatic channels. And they already don't like each other.

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Speaker 2: That's not coincidence. That's called isolation, and isolation is the

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Speaker 2: death spiral of any regime that survives on projection, intimidation

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Speaker 2: and proxies. For decades, Iran's power wasn't just missiles or drones.

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Speaker 2: It was about networks as belaw regional proxies, back channel diplomacy,

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Speaker 2: intimidation through terrorist attacks, and presence. Now those networks are

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Speaker 2: going by the bye. Countries that once tolerated Iran are

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Speaker 2: now publicly rejecting it. And they're doing it after the

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Speaker 2: United States and Israel demonstrated overwhelming force. That's not diplomacy

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Speaker 2: in a vacuum. That's diplomacy responding to the facts. What's

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Speaker 2: going on. Actually, we have a regime losing allies. They've

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Speaker 2: lost their leverage, and this is key. Now they're losing

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Speaker 2: internal coherence, which brings us to the most important question.

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Speaker 2: Nobody on the left seems willing to ask who is

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Speaker 2: actually in charge of Iran right now because the answer

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Speaker 2: is complicated. Top leadership has been decimated, driven underground, killed.

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Speaker 2: Power is fractured between remnants of the Revolutionary Guard, surviving

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Speaker 2: political figures, and whatever shadow structure is trying to hold

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Speaker 2: things together behind the scenes. That's not stability. That's a

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Speaker 2: power vacuum, and power vacuums don't negotiate from strength. They

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Speaker 2: negotiate from desperation, which explains why public denials. Multiple channels

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Speaker 2: of communication are all now reportedly open between the US

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Speaker 2: and the right quote right people inside of Iran, not

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Speaker 2: official people, not public people, the right people. That's how

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Speaker 2: regime transitions happen quietly at first, behind the scenes, while

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Speaker 2: the public face pretends everything is fine. But nothing is fine,

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Speaker 2: Not when your military has been dismantled, not when your

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Speaker 2: diplomats are being expelled, Not when your economy is choking

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Speaker 2: on a disrupted strait of Hormuz and global pressure is mounting,

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Speaker 2: Not when your enemies are flying overhead uncontested, and certainly

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Speaker 2: not when the United States is both negotiating and positioning

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Speaker 2: troops simultaneously. That combination force plus diplomacy is not a contradiction.

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Speaker 2: It's a formula, and it's how wars end, and it's

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Speaker 2: exactly what the critics said couldn't happen, but blunt. The

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Speaker 2: same voices that mocked the idea of decisive victory are

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Speaker 2: now scrambling to explain why everything is moving so fast.

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Speaker 2: They don't have a framework for it because their framework

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Speaker 2: assumes American power is inherently destabilizing. But what we're watching

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Speaker 2: right now proves the opposite. American power used decisively, unapologetically,

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Speaker 2: and strategically creates clarity, It forces choices, it accelerates outcomes,

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Speaker 2: and in this case, it is exposing something that should

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Speaker 2: have been obviously all along. Iran's regime was never as

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Speaker 2: strong as it pretended to be. It's propped up by fear,

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Speaker 2: by proxies, by the assumption that no one would ever

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Speaker 2: challenge it directly. That assumption is gone, and with it

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Speaker 2: the illusion, which brings us to the emotional truth at

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Speaker 2: the center of this. For years, the Iranian people themselves

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Speaker 2: have lived under a regime that siphered resources into missiles

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Speaker 2: instead of medicine, into terror networks instead of opportunity. They protested,

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Speaker 2: they resisted, they paid the price, they got killed, and now,

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Speaker 2: for the first time in a long time, the regime

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Speaker 2: that held them hostages on its heels, not because of

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Speaker 2: endless war, but because of decisive action, because someone finally

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Speaker 2: chose to finish. So now this isn't a forever war.

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Speaker 2: It's something far more uncomfortable for the critics to admit.

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Speaker 2: It's a war that's being won, and not just being

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Speaker 2: one on the battlefield, but in the unraveling of a

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Speaker 2: regime that, for the first time in decades, looks less

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Speaker 2: like a threat and more like it's running out of time.

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Speaker 7: Kevin mccallaugh coming right back here.

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Speaker 1: He is from New York, exact Kevin, Kevin, Come on,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Times Square.

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Speaker 2: It's that Kevin show, that kevinshow dot com. All things

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Speaker 2: related at that website, never behind a paywall, always available

885
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886
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Speaker 2: and the radio. It's all there, same place, same time,

887
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Speaker 2: Even all my socials are there. So come and spend

888
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Speaker 2: some time with us offline. You know, different days of

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Speaker 2: the week we talk about some different practical, kind of

890
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Speaker 2: life oriented topics, and Wednesdays is usually the day we

891
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: drill down on health and wellness and nutrition and fitness

892
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: and just how to have a better life in general,

893
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Speaker 2: and we talk to a lot of different experts in

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Speaker 2: a lot of different areas. I'm very glad to welcome

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Speaker 2: back doctor Monique Johannan private practice for years, also working

896
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Speaker 2: hard on public policy, specializes in aging and some of

897
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Speaker 2: the things that seniors face, and so we're always glad

898
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Speaker 2: to have her with us. Doctor Mohanna, Doctor Johannan, it

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Speaker 2: is good to have you back. I think I called

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Speaker 2: you moynihan or mohannon probably five or six times the

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Speaker 2: last time we spoke. I'm going to try not to

902
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Speaker 2: do that today, but thank you for being here. We

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Speaker 2: passed a very interesting anniversary this week, the sixteenth anniversary

904
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Speaker 2: of the Affordable Care Act. And your thoughts on that milestone.

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Speaker 11: Oh, you know, is there a reverse for milestone? Feels

906
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Speaker 11: to me like it has a positive connotation, and I,

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Speaker 11: you know, I think a lot about what Nancy Pelosi says.

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Speaker 2: I say, the commemoration, Yes, that is such a better

909
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Speaker 2: funeral for you know, well.

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Speaker 9: The funeral for common sense.

911
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Speaker 11: In a lot of this, I would say, So, you know,

912
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Speaker 11: when Nancy Pelosi said we need to pass a law

913
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Speaker 11: to find out what's in it, Well.

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Speaker 9: They didn't know what was in it.

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Speaker 11: So when you look at the sixteenth anniversary, what is it?

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Speaker 11: What's it achieved? Like, what's its legacy? We have double

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Speaker 11: the rates of premiums. You can thank Obamacare for that.

918
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Speaker 11: We have double the deductibles, you can thank Obamacare for that.

919
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Speaker 11: And compare that to the CPI over the same time,

920
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Speaker 11: it's double that. So fifty percent increase in the CPI,

921
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Speaker 11: one hundred percent increase in premiums, one hundred percent increase

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Speaker 11: in deductibles. For now, they promised essential health benefits, they

923
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Speaker 11: said everybody has to buy these really comprehensive plans.

924
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Speaker 9: More than half of people never.

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Speaker 11: Even meet their deductibles because the deductibles are so high.

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Speaker 11: That is absolutely the legacy of Obamacare, and it's shameful.

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Speaker 2: Well that is in the high deductibles are because they

928
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Speaker 2: got to figure out some way to pay for everything

929
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Speaker 2: that they promised. And this is largely a very common

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Speaker 2: problem across all the public policy doesn't really have anything

931
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Speaker 2: to do specifically with healthcare. But when people come you know,

932
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Speaker 2: they're running for office, they run on ideas and they say, well,

933
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Speaker 2: we're going to do this and this and this and

934
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Speaker 2: this without actual plans, and then once they're elected, now

935
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Speaker 2: we got to do it. And I'm sorry, but the

936
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Speaker 2: left as a real problem. They can't work on just simple,

937
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Speaker 2: clean ideas by themselves. They've always got a pack stuff

938
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Speaker 2: full of pork. They've always got to, you know, pull

939
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Speaker 2: in some sort of corruption. You know, you had the

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Speaker 2: insurance companies who were really threatened if Obamacare had worked,

941
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Speaker 2: they really would have been threatening to put private insurance

942
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Speaker 2: companies out of business. What do they do They go

943
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Speaker 2: and make friends with big insurance and so all of

944
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Speaker 2: a sudden, now you've got everybody twice as corrupt as

945
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Speaker 2: what it was before, all working under kind of false

946
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Speaker 2: pretenses that this can be done on next to nothing

947
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Speaker 2: in terms of cost. And at the end of the day,

948
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Speaker 2: who's getting pinched and pushed and you know, scrubbed down

949
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Speaker 2: to the very last nickel, the American consumer, the American patient.

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Speaker 9: That's absolutely right.

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Speaker 11: And you know, I do think the President Trump, if

952
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Speaker 11: you pare it down to very basic things. He has

953
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Speaker 11: focused in healthcare on transparency, So transparency from hospitals, transparency

954
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Speaker 11: from insurance, insurance companies. You know before when we look

955
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Speaker 11: at the Great Healthcare Plan and think about this. For

956
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Speaker 11: drug prices, for years, Americans were being charged more until

957
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Speaker 11: he said, you have to get something done about this.

958
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Speaker 11: Within a few months, he got the he got the

959
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Speaker 11: pharmaceutical companies admitting, yeah, we were charging more just.

960
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Speaker 9: Because we knew you could pay. And he said stop

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Speaker 9: it and they did.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, he's very he's not trying to boil the ocean

963
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Speaker 11: with this, but he's taking very important, very deliberate and

964
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Speaker 11: targeted steps. But the theme really to me is transparency

965
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Speaker 11: and whether that's an information or whether that's having Bobby

966
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Speaker 11: Kennedy with a nutrition plan that's about whole foods and

967
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Speaker 11: getting rid of chemicals.

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Speaker 9: It's a very clean agenda.

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Speaker 2: I want to stay on Obamacare for a second because

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Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people hearing us, especially

971
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Speaker 2: if you live in a big blue city Chicago, New York, Detroit, DC,

972
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Speaker 2: you know places where this this bill really carried away.

973
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Speaker 2: I would say with the electorate, I still don't think

974
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Speaker 2: they understand a lot of people don't understand what went wrong,

975
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Speaker 2: how it got changed, what they did differently than what

976
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Speaker 2: they campaigned on in terms of how they processed it.

977
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Speaker 2: Can you walk us through not the minute detail, but

978
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Speaker 2: in general the concepts and kind of why they fell

979
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Speaker 2: apart once the free market had a shot at it.

980
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Speaker 11: So I think some of it is specific pieces of

981
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Speaker 11: the law. They said, we're going to get rid of

982
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Speaker 11: risk pooling, like the way they you traditionally look at insurance.

983
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 11: But you know what, here's the problem. If you squeeze

984
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 11: one side of a balloon, it just pops out on

985
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 11: the other right, So they said, we have to offer

986
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 11: insurance to everybody. We're not even going to look at risk.

987
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 11: And people think, well, that's great, but there's a trade off.

988
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: For they have to say they can't look at risk

989
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: because they're running around campaigning on we're going to make

990
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Speaker 2: sure everybody gets covered. So while it wasn't like a

991
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: universal plan per se to give universal health care to everybody,

992
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: it in essence was a huge, ginormous step in that direction,

993
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Speaker 2: but without the hardcore backing of a tax plan to

994
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Speaker 2: go with it exactly.

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00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 11: And so their success actually was not an expanding care

996
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 11: in the private market. They gained Almost all of their

997
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 11: gains are an expanding Medicaid. An extra twenty million people,

998
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Speaker 11: most of whom are healthy, able bodied, wouldn't have been

999
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 11: eligible in the past. Medicaid has a role. I grew

1000
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 11: up poor. I was on Medicaid when I was a kid.

1001
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 11: Being poor when you're a kid means you work really

1002
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 11: hard to not be poor when you're an adult. That

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Speaker 11: is the greatness of this country is that you have

1004
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Speaker 11: that opportunity. They expanded to Medicaid to healthy people overwhelmingly.

1005
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Speaker 11: That is the success of the ACA is a bunch

1006
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Speaker 11: of healthy people.

1007
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Speaker 9: Now are on insurance through Medicaid.

1008
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Speaker 11: The government plan in terms of the private sector, what

1009
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 11: it did incredibly narrow networks. If you, god forbid, got

1010
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 11: cancer and you were on Obamacare, there weren't any cancer

1011
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 11: networks that were going to be in your network. You

1012
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 11: weren't going to have access. They've been getting called out

1013
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 11: on this more recently, but the reality is their success,

1014
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 11: which was the plan all along, was to try to

1015
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 11: expand government healthcare to put the candle's nodos under the tent.

1016
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Speaker 11: The expansion of Medicaid really was the first piece, and

1017
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Speaker 11: that is why they keep pushing for this. They want

1018
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 11: a government plan because government's so great at running things right.

1019
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: Well, had they ran into a number of buzzsaws, the

1020
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: first and one of which was that the mandate was

1021
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: just patently non constitutional. So you can't make people buy

1022
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: things that they don't want to buy. I don't have

1023
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: to buy car insurance if I don't want to own

1024
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Speaker 2: a car. I shouldn't be forced to pay for pregnancy

1025
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Speaker 2: as a mail, which my Obamacare plan, had I had one,

1026
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: would have required coverage for And it doesn't make any sense.

1027
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: It's those types of you know, non sequiturs that people think, well,

1028
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: this is this is some of the weirdest stuff I've

1029
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: ever seen, and to know that they were doing it

1030
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: with our tax dollars. But once the mandate was kind

1031
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: of peeled off, I think doctor Johannan and a lot

1032
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: of people thought, well, that's the end of Obamacare. In reality,

1033
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: what happened once the mandate ended, Well.

1034
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 11: They also had elements of Obamacare that basically were about

1035
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 11: what you could have profits in and insurance companies because

1036
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 11: they got into bed with insurance companies. But then they

1037
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 11: wanted to play foots. It's very it gets if.

1038
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: You're trying to tell the consumer that you campaigned on

1039
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: that these insurance companies are the devil. Right now you're

1040
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: going and making peace with them and doing deals behind

1041
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: the voters back.

1042
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Speaker 11: Those deals are in Obamacare. There's a a concept called

1043
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 11: the medical loss ratio, which was the idea is, let's

1044
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 11: limit the profits the insurance companies can have. You can

1045
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 11: draw a direct line to premiums going up, you can

1046
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 11: draw a direct line to the increase in deductibles. And

1047
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 11: anybody who says, well there are other things, I'll give

1048
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 11: you ten percent for the other things. This is really

1049
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 11: about what is in the text of Obamacare. Overwhelmingly this

1050
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 11: combination of increases in premiums, increases in deductibles. And to

1051
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 11: your point, I have a twenty two year old son.

1052
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 11: He does not need to buy pregnancy care. He does

1053
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 11: not need a comprehensive plan and the streamline plans that

1054
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 11: he might have been able to buy because he doesn't

1055
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 11: have the same medical needs that I do. He's not

1056
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 11: even allowed to get those kinds of plans now. So

1057
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 11: basically what Obamacare did, if your insurance premiums went up,

1058
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 11: Thanks Obama, because that was the plan working as intended.

1059
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 11: But the real goal is let's try to gouge private

1060
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 11: insurance and not that we can force people into a

1061
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Speaker 11: public fan.

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Speaker 2: They want to bankrupt the private option. That's exactly, yes,

1063
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Speaker 2: what they were on their way to do. We're speaking

1064
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Speaker 2: with doctor Moniqi Ohannon. She's a senior fellow at the

1065
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: Independent Women's Forum, but private practice for many years also

1066
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 2: dealt heavily with aging and senior care, and she knows

1067
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 2: those issues very very well. We've got a lot yet

1068
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: to talk about. She made mention of how transparency is

1069
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: increasingly one of the eras that can be and should

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Speaker 2: be addressed. We're going to go into detail on that

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Speaker 2: as we come back from this break.

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Speaker 4: I'm going alet's stick around for more of that.

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Speaker 1: Kevin next here he is from New York. That n

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you with us.

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Speaker 2: You know, on Wednesdays we like to take a look

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Speaker 2: at what's going on in the wellness space, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's public policy, a lot of times it's just practical

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Speaker 2: things how we can be healthier ourselves. I actually read

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Speaker 2: something doctor moniquejohn in this week that I tried to

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Speaker 2: put into practice, and it came from Instagram, of all things.

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Speaker 2: But I was scrolling through the feed and there was

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Speaker 2: this headline that said, having trouble sleeping at night, try

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Speaker 2: the one pm caffeine cut off, where you just don't

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Speaker 2: do any diet coke or coffee or anything after one pm,

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Speaker 2: because I guess caffeine can stain your system five to

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Speaker 2: six maybe eight hours. And I've been doing it this week,

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Speaker 2: no caffeine basically after lunch, and I've had two or

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Speaker 2: three nights of great sleep. So it's like, Okay, I see,

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Speaker 2: I need these chats too. This is how it helps.

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Speaker 2: We were talking in the last segment about the Affordable

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Speaker 2: Care Act passed its sixteenth You know, since it's been well,

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Speaker 2: remember what the VP said to the President as he

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Speaker 2: was signing it on the open mic. This is a

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Speaker 2: big effing deal. He said that. The whole nation heard

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Speaker 2: him say that, And You're like, how could it be.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi doesn't even know what's in it. But at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, a lot of people thought

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Speaker 2: when he signed the bill that day that it was

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Speaker 2: going to change healthcare and cure all the ills that

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Speaker 2: the American people have had. You did a really good

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Speaker 2: job in the first segment of kind of identifying how

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Speaker 2: it hasn't. But when it comes to solutions and the

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Speaker 2: more I talk to professionals, particularly in the health fields,

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Speaker 2: this issue comes up at every level. Pediatric care, emergency care,

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Speaker 2: hospital care, all all kinds of different ways that people

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Speaker 2: access what they need. Transparency, transparency, transparency. You've done an

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Speaker 2: op ed on this. I guess there's some people that

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Speaker 2: think it's the government trying to tell the private sector

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Speaker 2: what to do. You actually argue the opposite.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think transparency is such at the core of

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Speaker 11: what President Trump has worked to accomplish, both in his

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Speaker 11: first term and now. When you look at transparency the

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Speaker 11: insurance companies and the hospitals, they say, well, we need

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Speaker 11: to have private, secret contracts and so we can't tell

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Speaker 11: you what things cost.

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Speaker 9: Now, think about that as a consumer.

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Speaker 11: You work so hard for your money and then you

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Speaker 11: have to schedule a procedure and you have no idea

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Speaker 11: what it's going to cost you at the end of

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Speaker 11: the day. How difficult should be? Why should we need

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Speaker 11: laws and rules for this? And we need them because

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Speaker 11: they basically say.

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Speaker 9: No, this is government overreached.

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Speaker 11: No, Actually the law is really clear on this. The

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Speaker 11: people who sponsor health plans, employers, those kinds of plan sponsors,

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Speaker 11: there's information they need. So when an insurance company says

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Speaker 11: we're not going to give you this information, that's not

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Speaker 11: the government pushing things by saying no, you need to.

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Speaker 9: That's actually enforcing the law.

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Speaker 11: That's giving employers the information they need to act as

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Speaker 11: good stewards on behalf of their employees.

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Speaker 2: Well, there doesn't seem to be any rational rhyme or

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Speaker 2: reason for what the pricing is, doctor Johan, And how

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Speaker 2: do we fix that? Transparency will help, But if they're

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Speaker 2: still going to say, well, we're still going to do

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Speaker 2: it this way, even if we show you the details,

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Speaker 2: I might request the cheaper procedure. But that doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: right to me.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think that you're right. It is completely wrong.

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Speaker 9: And so there are.

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Speaker 11: Laws that President Trump sign in a book into law

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Speaker 11: in his first term that have still not been enforced.

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Speaker 11: And then there's a law that I think is really essential.

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Speaker 11: So let me mention the first term first, which is

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Speaker 11: the No Surprises Act. But the consumer piece that was

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Speaker 11: really the most important is called Advanced Explanation of Benefits

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Speaker 11: Super Controversy I'm going to say, you should when you're

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Speaker 11: scheduling a procedure, be able to get a good faith

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Speaker 11: estimate about what it's going to cost that based on

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Speaker 11: your deductible, based on all of the other factors, how

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Speaker 11: much am I going to owe at the end of

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Speaker 11: the day, what's the negotiated rate, all of that information.

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Speaker 11: That is something President Trump signed into law in December

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty. It's now six years after the fact. The

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Speaker 11: Biden administration just said, oh, this is too hard, we

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Speaker 11: can't do this. So I think this is one thing

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Speaker 11: the Trump administration is working on, but they are dealing

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Speaker 11: with four years of the Biden administration dragging their heels.

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Speaker 11: But I think to exactly your point, there is a

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Speaker 11: bill that's a bipartisan bill that was introduced last July

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Speaker 11: in Congress, the Marshall hicken Looper Act, which the idea

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Speaker 11: of this is that you should be able to know

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Speaker 11: the price of a service wherever it is, whether it's

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Speaker 11: a hospital, whether it's a freestanding clinic. And beyond that,

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Speaker 11: that insurance company is that they need to give you

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Speaker 11: an itemized claim for the employers so that they can

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Speaker 11: do on its Because if we've learned anything. You just

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Speaker 11: can't trust these people to be good actors.

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Speaker 2: Right. You just use the term negotiated price, and that

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Speaker 2: to me immediately raises a red flag because there should

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Speaker 2: not be such a thing. The price for a procedure

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Speaker 2: should be based on the costs of what it is

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Speaker 2: to have that equipment run, it, operate, it, do it,

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Speaker 2: to have the doctor there for his or her rate

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Speaker 2: for that time, and that should be the price. And

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if my insurance company is paying for

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Speaker 2: it or if I'm paying for it out of pocket.

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Speaker 2: The reason that insurance companies are paying different prices is

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Speaker 2: because we've fed the beast and they have all of

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Speaker 2: this power. But that's just hurting us in return. And

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Speaker 2: it's just one of those things where I think if

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Speaker 2: the average American just stopped for a second and paid attention,

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Speaker 2: listened a little more, said well what does that mean,

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Speaker 2: asked more questions, we we would we would be shocked

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Speaker 2: at how badly we've been being ripped off uh in

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Speaker 2: all of this for quite some time. But we we

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Speaker 2: need legislation to help straighten it out, and then we

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Speaker 2: need to be really good consumers ourselves when we come back.

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Speaker 2: Are there areas that the Trump administration is making headway

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Speaker 2: on and where do we still need to go even

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Speaker 2: before this year's midterms. Let's talk about that. Doctor moniqu

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Speaker 2: Johanna is back with us. Always a pleasure to have

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Speaker 2: her here, if we'll come right back here.

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Speaker 1: He is from New York. Fact Kevin Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mcpellagu. I have you with us. It's

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Speaker 2: that Kevin Show, and on Wednesdays we do talk more

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Speaker 2: wellness and health related issues. Doctor Monic Johannon is a

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Speaker 2: senior fellow at the Independent Women's Forum. That group is

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Speaker 2: doing great work all across the board. That's why we

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Speaker 2: talk to him every week. Love what they're about, just

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Speaker 2: helping women. And I've got two of them in my house,

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Speaker 2: so I'm kind of partial to, you know, the idea

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Speaker 2: that they're out there. Men's lives are made better when

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Speaker 2: we when we help women, so we should naturally want

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Speaker 2: to do that. Dude's let's do it anyway. Doctor Johannan,

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Speaker 2: thanks for being here again. Always a pleasure to have you.

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Speaker 2: The idea that we've had all these problems the sixteenth

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Speaker 2: commemoration of Obamacare transparency certainly something that is needed in

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Speaker 2: the pricing structures, just one of the areas where that's exhibited.

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Speaker 2: The President has come in and tried to make some headway.

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Speaker 2: What has he done a good job on, what has

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Speaker 2: he been unable to get to that he would like to,

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Speaker 2: and what is what is conceivably workable between now and November.

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Speaker 11: Well, the Republicans have led legislation on so for example,

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Speaker 11: in February, we finally got some updates to pharmacy benefit managers.

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Speaker 11: When we think about one of the big costs that

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Speaker 11: we directly deal with, it is drug costs, and there

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Speaker 11: are these middlemen, these pharmacy benefit managers, who have again

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Speaker 11: not been good stewards of our dollars, and they're.

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Speaker 9: Part of why drugs are so expensive.

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Speaker 11: And so really the Republicans in Congress, led by the administration,

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Speaker 11: we're able to pass some legislation that speaks to them

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Speaker 11: actually giving transparency again about how much they're skimming off

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Speaker 11: the top. Because every dollar they're skimming off the top,

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Speaker 11: that's an extra dollar you as a consumer are paying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we should get back absolutely.

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Speaker 11: And so the other part of that is that that

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Speaker 11: legislation only went so far. So he has advised the

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Speaker 11: Department of Labor to push for even more information coming

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Speaker 11: out again trying to deal with the fact that right

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Speaker 11: now we have a system that really benefits middleman very much,

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Speaker 11: but it's very much also to the exclusion to the

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Speaker 11: harm of consumers. So I think it's he also when

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Speaker 11: you look at this, he had a transparency and coverage

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Speaker 11: rule that he had passed in the first administration. Well

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Speaker 11: in December he updated this to say, you guys, you

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Speaker 11: didn't really comply with this. You as insurance companies, you

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Speaker 11: just dumped a bunch of information and duplicate files and

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Speaker 11: you tried to bury the details. So he really pushed

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Speaker 11: for this new rule to be updated to say, try again,

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Speaker 11: you're really going to have to give us the real information.

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Speaker 11: So the transparency and coverage with insurance companies, and then

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Speaker 11: dealing with these middlemen with this new rule through the

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Speaker 11: Department of Labor that's aimed at pharmacy benefit managers. I

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Speaker 11: think again it gets to this theme that through the administration,

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Speaker 11: transparency in what we eat, transparency in what we pay for,

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Speaker 11: transparency in what middlemen are skimming. All of that is

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Speaker 11: just really to me, the heart of what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Is there any thing granular outside of the transparency issue

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Speaker 2: that either the companies themselves or legislation could address to

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Speaker 2: help the consumer, because I'm just curious if I mean transparency. Look,

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Speaker 2: Sunlight does a great job of exposing all of the problems,

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Speaker 2: but are all of the fixes taken care of because

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Speaker 2: we see all the problems or are there mechanical things

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Speaker 2: that you would suggest?

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Speaker 11: Well, I do think that we need to take another

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Speaker 11: look at some of what I would call the indemnity plans. So,

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Speaker 11: thinking again of my twenty two year old son, he

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Speaker 11: should not be in a position where the plan that

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Speaker 11: he gets he has to pay for maternity coverage. He

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Speaker 11: only needs coverage for something like if he breaks a leg.

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Speaker 11: So I would love for us to think about can

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Speaker 11: we have ways to offer more streamlined plans, because you

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Speaker 11: know what else, my son is great at. He's fine

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Speaker 11: with going online to get a bunch of his care,

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Speaker 11: with reaching out and using technology in a smart way.

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Speaker 11: To really not expect the twenty two year olds to

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Speaker 11: subsidize to have these plans that are not useful to them.

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Speaker 11: I think that tens of millions of people could actually

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Speaker 11: be on much more efficient, much more affordable plans. There

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Speaker 11: are ways to do that within current laws. So I

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Speaker 11: would love for us to get away from this Obamacare

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Speaker 11: fiction of making everybody pay for these really broad plans

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Speaker 11: that frankly, they're not even hitting their deductibles anyway, it's

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Speaker 11: not like they get access to them.

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Speaker 9: That's a start.

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Speaker 11: And I do think that what President Trump has done

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Speaker 11: with the most Favored Nation pricing for.

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Speaker 9: Drugs the tip of the.

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Speaker 2: Iceberg, but did not have a pleasant conversation about it.

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Speaker 2: And he was like, you might have to pay a

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Speaker 2: little more, and mister mccron was like, well, we don't

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Speaker 2: want to pay anymore, and he goes, too bad, you

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Speaker 2: have to do exactly. But they've been ripping us off.

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Speaker 2: The European countries in particular, have been ripping us off

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Speaker 2: on drug production costs for two reasons. Presidents didn't do anything,

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Speaker 2: and the companies set it up that way so that

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Speaker 2: they had the favored treatment.

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Speaker 11: That's absolutely right, and so I think you know what

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Speaker 11: we saw this Trump our X just rolled out in January.

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Speaker 11: But we're going to see more and more drugs that.

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Speaker 9: Are impacted by this.

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Speaker 11: And I think you see, for example, the gop one drugs,

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Speaker 11: those are one thousand dollars less than.

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Speaker 9: They were even just a year ago.

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Speaker 11: That's a market force, and when you look at this,

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Speaker 11: there are a lot of things that directly impact consumers.

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Speaker 11: I'd love to see more direct to consumer care, so

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Speaker 11: to the extent that I don't think it's a great

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Speaker 11: idea to pay four thousand dollars to get your MRI

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Speaker 11: in the hospital when you can get it for four

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Speaker 11: hundred dollars in a freestanding clinic. That's what I think

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Speaker 11: of in terms of pricing. I want consumers to get

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Speaker 11: the information because the market, to me, is what's going

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Speaker 11: to discipline this. I think we do need legislation and

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Speaker 11: technology to market. And you're right, technology a market and

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Speaker 11: consumers are smart. If you give them the information, they

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Speaker 11: will make wise choices.

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Speaker 2: I am a little amazed at how much my Apple

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Speaker 2: watch and phone can now measure about my health day

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Speaker 2: to day. Combine that with a zoom call to a

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Speaker 2: doctor and a few other things. You know, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of reasons why I don't need to go to

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Speaker 2: the doctor's brick and mortar office anymore. There's still may

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Speaker 2: be reasons why I need to have an in person

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Speaker 2: visit to look at something very serious and there's no

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Speaker 2: other way to actually examine it. But that's so little

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Speaker 2: of the necessary things, and we can we can find

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Speaker 2: those efficiencies, and American markets have always been really good

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Speaker 2: at finding those efficiencies. That's how we've thrived in the past.

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Speaker 2: We just don't seem to be applying the most efficient

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Speaker 2: thought processes to how to solve this problem. And that's frustrating.

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Speaker 2: But I appreciate what you're doing, Doctor MONIKIOH. Hannon, Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, Kevin mckellough coming right back from New York.

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Speaker 1: Don't go way, Kevin. Let's stick around for more of

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Speaker 1: than Kevin.

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Speaker 4: Next serving it up with a no drink minimum.

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Speaker 2: It's that Kevin Show eight five, five, nine oh seven

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Speaker 2: four six seven three. If you give a gift today

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Speaker 2: through that phone number, it's going to be matched if

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Speaker 2: you give it in the next hour. Because we've had

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Speaker 2: a very generous person, friend of Food for the Poor,

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Speaker 2: friend of that Kevin Show, that has stepped up and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: I just want to encourage everyone that's listening to do

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Speaker 2: what they can and if they can do a little bit,

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Speaker 2: I can do a little bit. And between the power

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Speaker 2: of all of us doing a little bit together. It's

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Speaker 2: going to turn into something that's rather remarkable, and Paul,

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Speaker 2: I just want to Paul Jacobs is back with this also,

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Speaker 2: Danny Patino from the International Headquarters for Food for the

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Speaker 2: Poor down in Florida joining us via satellite. I guess

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Speaker 2: it's a very fancy technology we have around these parts.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, gentlemen, I just wanted to remind people of

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Speaker 2: that because there is an opportunity to do something kind

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Speaker 2: of special here. It's a maximum good that the most

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Speaker 2: number of kids can be helped and if they take

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Speaker 2: advantage of it right now, I mean doubling the impact

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Speaker 2: of what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 12: You can join. Brad from Sanger, Texas. Brad went online

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Speaker 12: to that kevinshow dot com and click the give Life banner.

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Speaker 12: Gave three hundred dollars and just like that, there are

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Speaker 12: eight children. Because there's eight children that will eat every

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Speaker 12: single day. That means eight children will have food every

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Speaker 12: single day, twice a day for an entire year and

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Speaker 12: have access to water. Carra Lee from Port Archard, Washington

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Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty dollars. Marry from Sale, Washington one

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Speaker 12: hundred and seventy five dollars and Kevin from Carrollton, Texas

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Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty dollars gift all of them calling

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Speaker 12: toll free eight five, five, nine zero, seven four six

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Speaker 12: seven three giving the Food for the Poor for the

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Speaker 12: very first time. Welcome aboard. It's so great to have

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Speaker 12: listeners like this to say that are saying yes to children.

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Speaker 12: They may never meet this side of heaven, but they'll

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Speaker 12: know the impact that they'll make because God will respond

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Speaker 12: miraculously through the work of our ministry partners on the ground.

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Speaker 2: It's so special, and this is one of the reason

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Speaker 2: why I tell people about Food for the Poor, and

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Speaker 2: I talk about it when we're not on the air.

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Speaker 2: I talk about it to people that I just run

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Speaker 2: into in places and I'm like, oh, are you you're

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Speaker 2: interested in doing good? Have you heard about Food for

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Speaker 2: the Poor? I have all kinds of conversations like that,

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Speaker 2: But some of them come about because they're like, well,

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Speaker 2: how do you know that it gets where it needs

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Speaker 2: to go? And I'm able to say because I've been

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Speaker 2: there first of all, I've seen it with my own eyes.

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Speaker 2: Food for the Poor has taken those of us that

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Speaker 2: have advocated for them into these neighborhoods, into these feeding centers.

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Speaker 2: One of the most exhausting mornings I've ever spent was

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Speaker 2: trying to to stir some some beans cooking in a

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Speaker 2: pot and then filling trays and plates full of rice

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Speaker 2: and beans throughout the morning. And what a joyous pouring

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Speaker 2: out of my heart that morning. It was because every

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Speaker 2: kid that came through, thank you mister, Like they just

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Speaker 2: were so you know, enthusiastically grateful. And I have to say,

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Speaker 2: Danny Patino, the same thing goes for the water filtration systems.

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Speaker 2: When a water system gets put into a village, it

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Speaker 2: is like somebody you know, lit the Christmas tree and

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Speaker 2: saying the Carol's in Santa came, Like it's it is

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Speaker 2: that joyous of an occasion to have one of these.

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Speaker 2: And it's usually put in like a cinderblock building, so

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Speaker 2: it's kind of, you know, insulated from the weather. But

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Speaker 2: these things are like they're like magic, and kids getting

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Speaker 2: clean drinking water for the first time in their life

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Speaker 2: and they just think it's the most wonderful thing.

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Speaker 6: Well, you said, miracle.

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Speaker 1: Magic. It is.

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Speaker 13: Because I spoke to a father in Lasada Badod and

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Speaker 13: jose told me about it is going twenty years in

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Speaker 13: the future. That's what That's what he described to me.

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Speaker 13: Because now he doesn't have to travel for water. He

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Speaker 13: doesn't have to bring water from a pond that's going

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Speaker 13: to make him sick. He's a guaranteed every time we

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Speaker 13: get water from there, we get sick.

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Speaker 1: And now he has home.

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Speaker 13: He has water running through to his home, so he

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Speaker 13: doesn't have to travel. He said, an a normy with

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Speaker 13: trouble about thirty minutes going and coming back. So that's

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Speaker 13: an hour a day, and they're going to make that

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Speaker 13: trip three times a day. Now they have water in

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Speaker 13: their home, they have dignity, they have a bathroom that

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Speaker 13: can use, They don't have to leave their home. They

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Speaker 13: have enough water to provide not only health, but they're

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Speaker 13: stepping away.

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Speaker 1: From that that sickness.

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Speaker 13: That that that dirty pod, that we're getting water from it,

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Speaker 13: it's that is a marakle on.

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Speaker 2: It's on well friends, here's the thing. The phone number

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Speaker 2: is eight five five nine oh seven four six seven,

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Speaker 2: three seventy five dollars gives a child food for a year,

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Speaker 2: two meals per day and water for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 2: Eight five five nine oh seven four sixty seven three.

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Speaker 2: Be generous when you call. It's gonna be matched. We're

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Speaker 2: going to do twice as much good. But please make

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Speaker 2: that call.