WEBVTT - It's Time to Send in the Troops! 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.600 I'm Josh Hammer and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.760 Coming up later on the program, James Lindsay joins us 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.120 to continue the conversation about what the heck is happening 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.200 to certain individuals on the so called rights who have 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.120 lost their everlasting minds, and frankly, what is their goal here? 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.000 Is there really to supplant and replace MAGA, to replace 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.040 America first, replace the Republican Party in the conservative movement 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:28.960 as we know it. Frankly, it seems to me that 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:30.600 that is exactly the goal. We will get into that 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.720 and much more with James Lindsay later in the show, 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:36.120 but for now, here's today's big headline. The big headline 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.040 is the mayhem, the anarchy, the twenty twenty esque photos 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.400 that are now pouring over all of our social media 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.600 feeds and over our cable news and internet livestreams. I talk, 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.920 of course about Minneapolis, Minnesota, after the death last week 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:55.120 of Renee Good, the shooting by Jonathan Ross, the ice agent. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.960 Minneapolis at first looked like it was going to be content. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.760 There were still protesters, but in the first few days 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.480 following the shooting of Good by the ice officer Jonathan Ross, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.800 it looked like federal law enforcement was able to contain 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.800 the mayhem. Unfortunately, over the past thirty six to forty 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.880 eight hours or so, that story has started to change, 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.640 because just yesterday, on Wednesday, January fourteenth, we had yet 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:27.520 another altercation, another altercation between ICE agents, the roughly two 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.080 thousand ICE agents who Christy Noam admirably correctly is saying 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:32.840 that she is not going to pull out of the 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.400 Twin Cities. There was another altercation between an ICE agent 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.679 and a so called protester, not really a protester in 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.360 this case, it was actually an illegal alien and his 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.320 aiders and betters when it came to trying to ultimately 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.480 enforce a deportation operation. So what happened, According to a 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.880 statement from the Christi Noam led Department of Home mad Security, 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.600 apparently there were federal law enforcement officers who stopped a 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:02.400 driver from Venezuela who in the US illegally and just 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.600 to go back to immigration law one oh one, folks, 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.120 we've unpacked this in the show already, but I am 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.239 sick beyond belief at this notion that you hear from 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.600 so many on the left that you have to commit 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.360 a crime, you have to be a criminal alien. I 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.600 mean even that term criminal alien. And the point that 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.880 I make over and over and over again is you 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.640 are a criminal alien if you are here illegally. It 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.440 is a crime. If you come here and you can 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.640 make crime on top of that. Okay, maybe you're a 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:34.680 double criminal alien or a triple quadruple, quintuple whatever, criminal alien. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.600 But by sheer dint of being here illegally, by crossing 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.080 the Rio Grande or whatever the case would be, to 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.440 overstay a visa, if you are here illegally, you're a 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.640 criminal alien. Okay, So let's glad that stipulated. So in 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.679 any events, so DHS statement says that the officer yesterday 0:02:54.760 --> 0:03:00.760 in Minneapolis was enforcing an operation against a Venezuelan legal alien. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.840 So the person the ven is one question, drove off 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.560 after ICE tried to apprehends us back drove off and 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.240 then crashed his car into another parked car and then 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.480 got up to flee on foot. Is all, according again 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.560 to the Department of fullmand Security. The officers, the ICE 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.400 officers eventually caught up and then two other people. So 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.920 these are probably the folks involved with organizations like ice Wash, 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.600 the anarchic organization that Renee Good was a part of. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.400 So then two of the people show up and they 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:35.280 make common cause, not with Ice, not with the federal 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.400 law enforce officers, but with the ven as well in 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.000 illegal lands. Then the two other people or three other 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.480 people actually then start attacking the officer with shovels. They 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.480 think shoveling, just start wanding him and again Dhsaman, they said. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.600 Fearing for his life and safety as he was being 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:55.080 ambushed by three individuals, the officer fired a defensive shot 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.800 to defend his life, and it, based on all we 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:03.040 can tell, indeed was a defensive shot. This defensive shot 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:08.920 has led to the individual being being hospitalized. But he's fine. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.880 I mean, this is not going to be a life 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.560 threatening injury. Very similar situation in some ways to Renee 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.039 Good insofar as it was an act of self defense. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.920 Recall that after the Renee Good video started going viral, 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.200 there were a lot of folks saying, oh my god, 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.800 she didn't even hit the ICE officer in question. There 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.720 she was trying to get away from the officer. The 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.720 New York Times at the time, the Great Lady all 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.599 the news that fit the print. The New York Times 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.360 did a deep dive where they purported to show that 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.839 Rene Goods vehicle didn't hit Jonathan Ross the ice agents 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.159 well courtesy of Alpha News. Earlier this week, we actually 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.960 saw then a new angle on the Renee Good Jonathan 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.800 Ross altercation in Minneapolis last week. We now know that 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.840 Rena Goods vehicle actually did hit Jonathan Ross. How do 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.800 we know one because we saw it on video two, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:01.840 Because it's been confirmed is been confirms that Jonathan Ross 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.479 had to go to the hospital for internal bleeding. The 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:09.080 leftly narrative on the whole Rene Good situation last week, 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.320 which we bemoan, we don't celebrate at all. It's a 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.479 tragedy that someone was radicalized by the propaganda, ended up 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.440 paying for with their life, the total tragedy. But their 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.760 narrative just dies even more day in and day out 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.200 because the officer, just like the officer last night, was 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.200 indeed fearing for his life. Now the response to that, 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.600 Donald Trump is threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act in 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.280 response to all this, these these terrible images, the fire, 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.520 the mayhem there, and also in response we probably should 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.440 add to Governor Tim Walls himself. Government Governor Tim Walls 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:44.280 took to his YouTube feed on Wednesday night to tell 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.400 Minnesotans to start creating a database of all the various 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:51.359 atrocities committed by ICE in the Twin Cities. Absolutely appalling stuff. 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:52.520 Go ahead and watch tonight. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.200 I want to share another way you can help witness, 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.120 help us establish a record of exactly what's happening in 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.279 our communities. You have an absolute right to peacefully film 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.080 ICE agents as they conduct these activities. So carry your 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.760 phone with you at all times, and if you see 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.040 these ICE agents in your neighborhood, take out that phone 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.479 and hit record. Help us create a database of the 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:21.400 atrocities against Minnesotan's not just to establish a record for posterity, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:26.440 but to bank evidence for future prosecution atrocities. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.400 What a verbiage is this? After now multiple federal law 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.599 enforcement officials have had to shoot defensive shots and fear 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:40.320 for their life. It's appalling. Is Tim Walls trying to 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:45.000 get ICE agents killed? Does he want more debt agents? Frankly, 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.200 I'm afraid of the answer. So by chance you're watching this, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.680 Governor Waltz, don't answer. I don't even if I want 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:55.040 to hear it. It's just so deeply offensive. And again, 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.119 a response to this Donald Trump has taken too true 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.440 social among other media and his threatenings a statue known 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.720 as the Insurrection Act. So the Insurrection Act goes all 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.119 the way back to eighteen oh seven. It is something 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.040 that this is the Thomas Jefferson presidencies. A statute goes 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.120 way back to the origins of the Republic, codified at 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.280 ten US Code, Section two fifty four. The Insurrection Act 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.600 was also discussed in twenty twenty. You might recall this 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.720 somewhat infamous op ed that Tom Cotton, the Center of 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.920 Arkansas wrote for The New York Times. It was in 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.840 early June twenty twenty, right after the George Floyd riot 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.840 started picking up gear and Tom Cotton's opbed was titled 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.280 Sending the Troops. That was the opbed that infamously led 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.400 to an editor's note of like five or six paragraphs. 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.600 There's a whole New York Times staff walkout ultimately led 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.520 to the resignation of Barry Weiss and many others from 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.720 the Times as well. And Tom Cotton was calling then 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.480 for the Insurrection Act as well. This is the parallel 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.360 that we have been drawing here on the show for 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.160 a week or so. Is this going to explode into 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.400 twenty twenty. For a while, it looked like that was 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.760 not going to be the case. Increasingly, I am less 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:05.880 confident they're not stopping. They are being eight inebedded by wilful, 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:10.160 idiot neo Confederates insurrections, politicians like the Coward in the 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:14.640 Twin Cities Tim Walls, Keith Ellison, the Ittorney General, speaking 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.400 of this ludicrous State's Right stance in their own lawsuit 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:22.720 against DJs NICs. Did the Democratic Party stand for the 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.520 abolition of ice? Do they actually want to abolish federal 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.080 law enforcement when it comes to immigration? Do they believe 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.839 in such thing as immigration law? The federal government the 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.120 United States of America has a very long history when it 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:40.839 comes to quashing state level rebellions. It was in the 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:45.040 early seventeen nineties, seventeen ninety three, ninety four around then 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.880 that George Washington himself literally George Washington. This is actually 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.640 before the Insurrection Act was even passed under the Jefferson presidency. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.880 George Washington sent federal troops or the militia as it 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.160 was probably the case back then, to western Pennsylvania to 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.280 quash but at that time was known as the Whisky rebellion. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.720 There is a very long history, very long history in 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.319 this country of in times of an arguing mayhem, using 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.720 federal law enforcement, indeed even the National Guard and or 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.520 of the act military to quash mayhem. It's true that 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.800 there is a law from the Reconstruction Error of Making 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.199 seventy eight known as the Possecommitatus Act. The Posse Coommitatus 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:29.680 Act generally prohibits federal troops from being used for domestic 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:34.600 law enforcement purposes. The clearest exception to the Possecommitatus Acts 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.960 is the Insurrection Act of eighteen oh seven. It is 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.840 the absolute statute to use in situations like this, where 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.240 you federalize the National Guard, and then you use the 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.240 federalized National Guard to go in and to restore order. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.079 Donald Trump has already done this to various degrees, most 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.360 prominently in Washington, d C. Which is a little different 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.280 because the federal government has more direct oversights of Washingt 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.080 d C. He's tried it in numerous other blue jurisdictions 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.000 as well. The courts have generally stopped them. Most recently 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.800 in the Supreme Court. The administration said that they were 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.640 going to take their foot off the gas pedal when 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.360 it comes to the National Guard into the Blue Cities. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.240 For now, I think that time pretty squarely at this 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.360 point has passed because law and order must be restored. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.880 Immigration law is just as much a part of federal 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.120 law as anything else. It is some of the most 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.559 foundational laws we have in this very country. Immigration laws 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.440 cut to the very essence of who we bring into 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.120 the community. Who are we as a people? Who is 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.360 this we the people that is spoken of in the 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:42.000 preamble the Constitution. Who is part of the polity the Paulus, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.560 as Aristotle would have put it, Who are we? Illegal 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.679 aliens are physically here, they're not legally here. We did 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.840 not welcome that in Therefore they must go, whether not 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.520 they are quote unquote criminal aliens or just good old 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.520 fashioned illegal aliens who happened to be, as I just said, 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:03.040 criminal aliens as well. At this point is clear that 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:07.880 the neo Confederate John C. Calhoun, Jefferson Davis type, Minnesota officials, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.559 Tim Walls, Keith Ellison, Jacob Fry, the mayor, they're not 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.199 gonna do anything when it comes to getting these bums 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.319 off our street. On the contrary, they're fan the flames 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.920 of anarcic Mayhem. This is the perfect instance for the 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.199 Insurrection Act to be invoked. Mister President. I hope frankly, 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.120 that you do exactly that, that you invote the Insurrection 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.480 Act asap, because if this is not an instance of 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.000 sending in federal law enforcement, just like Washington the Whiskey 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.120 Rebellion all those many years ago, if this is not 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.800 a clear case of doing exactly that, then I don't know, frankly, 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:49.200 what the statue exists for what is happening insider on. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.840 It's been one of the big international stories now for 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.840 multiple weeks. For a while, it looked like the United 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:59.000 States under President Trump was really quite on the presspass 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.680 of taking some sort of action, some sort of action. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.040 We don't know exactly what it would have been. Could 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.679 have been still could be a cyber attack, Still could 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.640 be some sort of actual kinetic military action target strikes 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.360 against missile defense, the ISLAMA for Revolutionary Guard Corps, against 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.200 the Mollahs and or of the Ayatollah Khamani himself. We 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:23.720 don't know. The big question is at this point is 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:28.240 Donald Trump backing off of his own red line. For 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.319 much of the past week or so, Donald Trump has 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.400 repeatedly said on truth social He has said, to the 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.520 run and people stay out on the streets of Tehran, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.480 stay out in the streets all throughout this horrifically repressed country, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.240 the isonmic Republic of Ran. Trump encouraged the ir audience 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:52.680 to take back their institutions, to fight against the thugs 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:57.040 in the IRGC and the rest of the Islamist theocracy. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.559 It is not in doubt that any single Iranian who 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.000 was out there, who was acting upon that advice, who 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.280 is out there in the streets chanting for the overthrow 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.959 of Kamene the Ayatola, who was chanting for the overthrowing 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.560 of the Molus, who is clamoring, who was chanting for 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:18.120 the restoration of the Shah Raizapalavi, they know that they 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.680 are risking it all. They could be shot and killed 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.000 at any given moment by the paramilitary or outred military 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:30.240 thugs of this most cancerous and horrific of regimes. Indeed, 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.480 the death toll for the past few weeks, we don't 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.400 know the exact number, it's not estimated to be at 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.280 least twelve to twenty thousand. That's a lot of people. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.719 And by the way, the Forur Minister of irong was 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:44.920 actually on Fox News talking about this with Brett Baher 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.559 earlier this week. Brett Bher in this interview, asked the 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:54.120 Foreign Minister about these horrific executions, and the Foreign Minister, laughably, 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.240 i'd be utterly, farcically said that it was not the 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:03.560 Irani regime actually killing, actually killing. The dissonance that in 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.480 fact he said it was is really massaud engage in 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.640 a false flag operation. To it's which the obvious question is, well, 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.760 first of all, that's absurd, But second of all, what 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.400 does that say about your own country that you so 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.200 don't have control of your own country that a foreign 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.640 agent is allegedly slaughtering thousands. I mean, it's just so 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.440 palpably insane. But make no mistake about it. In his 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.400 various posts, Donald Trump said to keep up the fight 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.600 because help is on the way. That's what he said. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.680 He said, help is on the way. He said, Miga 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.840 and IgA make a run great again. As you know 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.840 if you watch the show daily, I am not a 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.200 fan of red lines in foreign policy. Foreign policy should 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:50.520 be handled clandestinely, secretly among people meeting in the situation room, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.160 among conversations between the commander in chief and the Chairman 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.680 of the Joint Chiefs, and all the various folks who 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.920 have presumably different opinions, and allulimately the buck stops with 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:05.040 the Commander in Chief. Alexander Hamilton, in the Federals number seventy, 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.400 one of the Federals papers dedicated to explain the nature 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.520 of Article II in the Executive Branch, famously says that 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.000 the executive power must be vested in one individual, the 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.880 President of the United States, because here he has secrecy 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:24.360 and dispatch. So I, much like Hamilton, value secrecy when 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.480 it comes to the presidency. Again, I'm no fan of 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.760 red lines, but the simple question that I have now 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.680 is if you issue a red line, which Donald Trump 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.480 did not. Only did he say keep it up helps 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.520 on the way, he also said earlier this week that 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.880 if the regime keeps on slaughtering their own people, they're 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.880 going to pay a heavy price. That's a threat, that 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.880 is a direct threat. So why haven't we seen anything yet? 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:56.320 Well on Wednesday, so yesterday, Donald Trump said while he 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:00.080 was signing some executive orders in the Oval Office, he 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:01.840 said that we've been told that the killing in Iran 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.720 is stopping, and that stopped. He said that we've been 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.960 told that on good authority. Well, that's that's a little weird. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.600 I mean, on whose authority have you heard that, mister President. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.560 Is it the Ayatolas, the Malls themselves, the same people 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.920 that went on Brett Bayer to say that it was 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.520 Masad slaughtering these Iranians? Are Are they the quote unquote 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.120 authority who are announcing that the killing has stopped? Not 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.240 sure that one makes a whole lot of sense, With 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.560 all due respect, mister President. The latest as of this 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:37.880 morning a senior Saudi official telling French media that Saudi Arabia, Katar, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:42.560 and Oman persuaded President Trump to give Iran a chance. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:47.600 Apparently those three countries, Saudi Arabia, Katar, and Oman, warns 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.800 President Trump that striking Tehran would lead to quote unquote 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:56.240 serious consequences. Now already, the United States had acted a 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.760 couple of days ago by pulling back soldiers from all 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.200 you Daid Airbase in Qatar, the largest American air base 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.040 in the region, and various other military bases as well. 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.399 We started to pair back our military assets. There have 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.480 been lots of other assets that have been starting to 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.160 make a b line to the region. B fifty two bombers. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.400 Also has to say there were reports that an aircraft 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.359 carrier strike group that was currently positioned in the South 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.280 China Sea was ordered to start heading towards the Persian 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.399 Gulf towards the Middle East. So it's a little too 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.840 early to write this off and to say that President 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.359 Trump is officially backing down. I'm not quite ready to 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.920 do that yet. He has already done some other things, 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.520 for whatever it may or may not be worth. He 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.920 announced that tariffs will be increased to at least twenty 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.680 five percent. When it comes to Iran's trading partners, there's 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:50.000 some economic leverage. Furthermore, earlier today, the Trump mistiration announced 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:54.240 new sanctions targeting a new slew of senior Iranian officials, 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:58.520 and he also designated a certain infamous prison called Fardis Prison. 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.800 It's a facility where U officials say they have subjected 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.000 female detainees above all to absolutely cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.120 There are new sanctions slapped in this particular prison as well. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.240 So he's not doing nothing, and to be sure, something 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:18.159 still could happen. Let's recall that last June there was 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.680 this prolonged, extended debate as to whether or not Donald 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.440 Trump is going to get involved in the twelve day 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.280 war between Israel and Doron, and when President Trump finally 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.760 did take military action in this remarkable thirty seven hour 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.640 B two bomber run over for Dow and a couple 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.680 of other Iranian nuke sites that happened over the weekend. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.320 Happened on Saturday, early evening US time, or the middle 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.879 of the night over in Persia and Iran. So perhaps 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.800 it will happen this weekend as well. But mister president, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.959 you were running out of time. I would not have 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.119 advised to indiscriminately start dropping bombs or anything like that 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.800 as recently as a few weeks ago. I'm not even 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.800 sure it's stated that is exactly what is necessary. You 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.359 have to be careful about how you're going to enforce 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.560 red line. But the key point is that red line 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:10.680 must be enforced. You can't make red line threats unless 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.159 you're going to back it up. You can't say that 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.280 the Iranian regime, if you keep on slaughtering your citizens, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.159 you're going to have hell to pay for it. And 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.439 then when they keep on sldering, don't do anything. When 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.960 President Trump first made that threat, the estimates were that 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:28.000 the regime had killed a few hundred five six hundred runnings. Again, 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:29.639 these are all rough estimates, very hard to get reliable 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:31.679 information on this part of the world, and in the 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.080 days that followed that number went from a few hundreds 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.720 to twelve to twenty thousand rough estimate. Mister President, they 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.280 crossed the red line. The red line has been crossed, 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.679 stomped on, trampled over, torn to a million shreads, and 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.800 sanctions is not going to cut it at this point. Trump, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.560 at this point unfortunately, runs the risk of looking a 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.760 lot like Barack Obama. Barack Obama issued his infamous red 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.160 line in the context of the Syrian Civil War around 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.080 twenty thirteen twenty fourteen, when Bashar al Assade was using 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.359 chemical weaponry to gas his own citizens. That red line 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.520 was also crossed. The Barack obomb minstration did virtually nothing 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:11.320 in response. They sent out Chuck Hagel to the Senate 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:12.960 to announce in advance that there was going to be 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.600 a symbolic quote unquote pinprick strike. A fat lot of 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.560 good that does to enforce a red line, mister President. 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:25.160 He just had a remarkable operation in Caracas, Venezuela, a stunning, 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:29.800 stunning demonstration of American military might. Incredible stuff. What is 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.280 up with the schizophrenia here? Again? I'm not have advised 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.600 a red line. I don't like red lines. I'm a 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.840 Hamiltonian in that sense. But the red line was issued, 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.439 and the red line has been crossed and crossed and 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.040 crossed again. If American deterrence is going to continue to 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.320 mean anything, and we will stand up to our enemies, 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.800 it is of vital importance to not make a Barack 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:55.080 Obama failed mistake. Mister President, enforce that red line. We'll 0:20:55.119 --> 0:21:01.480 be right back on the other side with James Lindsay. 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.720 One of the issues we've been covering for months now, 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:06.719 and for better for us, we probably are not going 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.800 to stop covering it anytime soon is the brain rot 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.159 op as I call it, metastasizing in parts of the 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.520 so called ride. Really emphasis, I would say on so 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:21.240 called right. Earlier this week we discussed Grandma Grouper, which 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.480 is what I and others are starting to call Megan Kelly, 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.760 who was but the latest to fall down this particularly 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.080 irksome rabbit holes. Really no one better to bring on 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:34.560 to discuss this entire irksome feeded, stinking phenomenon than James Lindsay. 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:38.520 James Lindsay is the founder and editor of New Discourses. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:40.320 You can follow him on x where he runs a 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.520 very lively and active account at Conceptual James, James, Welcome 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.280 to the Josh Hammer Show. You know, you and I 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.560 have had some very minor squabbles in the past. I 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.399 very much want this to be seen for the burying 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.720 of the hatchet that it is, because you've really been 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.959 a tremendous voice of clarity when it comes to calling 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:02.520 out just really profound evil. I mean, evil's actually the 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.440 word that comes to mind is the very first word 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:05.840 that comes to mind when we see a lot was 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.600 being spouted by the Tucker Carlson's of the world, the 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.520 cannon Zones of the world, and increasingly and tragically these days, frankly, 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.080 the Megan Kelly's of the world, to no small extent, 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:16.800 not as bad as the other two, but it's it's 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.639 getting pretty bad. So, James, I kind of want to 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.439 just turn over to you. You you were on this 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.919 pretty pretty quickly. I guess. The very first question is 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.320 why is this happening? What is the incentive structure such 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:29.920 that we are currently out of the situation that we're 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:30.440 at right now. 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.760 Well, I think the incentive structure is actually to seize 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.359 control of the future direction of the Republican Party and 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.600 conservative movement, and that means also to scatter to the 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.240 winds the influence of the Trump doctrine that's broadly known 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.440 as MAGA or Make America Great Again. And I'll just say, 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.879 by the way, that where you said just a moment 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.720 ago that you know that this is that we've had, 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.240