1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Coming up later on the program, James Lindsay joins us 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: to continue the conversation about what the heck is happening 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: to certain individuals on the so called rights who have 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: lost their everlasting minds, and frankly, what is their goal here? 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Is there really to supplant and replace MAGA, to replace 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: America first, replace the Republican Party in the conservative movement 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: as we know it. Frankly, it seems to me that 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: that is exactly the goal. We will get into that 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: and much more with James Lindsay later in the show, 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: but for now, here's today's big headline. The big headline 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: is the mayhem, the anarchy, the twenty twenty esque photos 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: that are now pouring over all of our social media 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: feeds and over our cable news and internet livestreams. I talk, 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: of course about Minneapolis, Minnesota, after the death last week 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: of Renee Good, the shooting by Jonathan Ross, the ice agent. 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Minneapolis at first looked like it was going to be content. 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: There were still protesters, but in the first few days 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: following the shooting of Good by the ice officer Jonathan Ross, 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: it looked like federal law enforcement was able to contain 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: the mayhem. Unfortunately, over the past thirty six to forty 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: eight hours or so, that story has started to change, 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: because just yesterday, on Wednesday, January fourteenth, we had yet 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: another altercation, another altercation between ICE agents, the roughly two 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: thousand ICE agents who Christy Noam admirably correctly is saying 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: that she is not going to pull out of the 27 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: Twin Cities. There was another altercation between an ICE agent 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: and a so called protester, not really a protester in 29 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: this case, it was actually an illegal alien and his 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: aiders and betters when it came to trying to ultimately 31 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: enforce a deportation operation. So what happened, According to a 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: statement from the Christi Noam led Department of Home mad Security, 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: apparently there were federal law enforcement officers who stopped a 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: driver from Venezuela who in the US illegally and just 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: to go back to immigration law one oh one, folks, 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: we've unpacked this in the show already, but I am 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: sick beyond belief at this notion that you hear from 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: so many on the left that you have to commit 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: a crime, you have to be a criminal alien. I 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: mean even that term criminal alien. And the point that 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: I make over and over and over again is you 42 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: are a criminal alien if you are here illegally. It 43 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: is a crime. If you come here and you can 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: make crime on top of that. Okay, maybe you're a 45 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: double criminal alien or a triple quadruple, quintuple whatever, criminal alien. 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: But by sheer dint of being here illegally, by crossing 47 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: the Rio Grande or whatever the case would be, to 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: overstay a visa, if you are here illegally, you're a 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: criminal alien. Okay, So let's glad that stipulated. So in 50 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: any events, so DHS statement says that the officer yesterday 51 00:02:54,760 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis was enforcing an operation against a Venezuelan legal alien. 52 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: So the person the ven is one question, drove off 53 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: after ICE tried to apprehends us back drove off and 54 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: then crashed his car into another parked car and then 55 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: got up to flee on foot. Is all, according again 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: to the Department of fullmand Security. The officers, the ICE 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: officers eventually caught up and then two other people. So 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: these are probably the folks involved with organizations like ice Wash, 59 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: the anarchic organization that Renee Good was a part of. 60 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: So then two of the people show up and they 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: make common cause, not with Ice, not with the federal 62 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: law enforce officers, but with the ven as well in 63 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: illegal lands. Then the two other people or three other 64 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: people actually then start attacking the officer with shovels. They 65 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: think shoveling, just start wanding him and again Dhsaman, they said. 66 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: Fearing for his life and safety as he was being 67 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: ambushed by three individuals, the officer fired a defensive shot 68 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: to defend his life, and it, based on all we 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: can tell, indeed was a defensive shot. This defensive shot 70 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: has led to the individual being being hospitalized. But he's fine. 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not going to be a life 72 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: threatening injury. Very similar situation in some ways to Renee 73 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: Good insofar as it was an act of self defense. 74 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Recall that after the Renee Good video started going viral, 75 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: there were a lot of folks saying, oh my god, 76 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: she didn't even hit the ICE officer in question. There 77 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: she was trying to get away from the officer. The 78 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: New York Times at the time, the Great Lady all 79 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: the news that fit the print. The New York Times 80 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: did a deep dive where they purported to show that 81 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: Rene Goods vehicle didn't hit Jonathan Ross the ice agents 82 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: well courtesy of Alpha News. Earlier this week, we actually 83 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: saw then a new angle on the Renee Good Jonathan 84 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: Ross altercation in Minneapolis last week. We now know that 85 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: Rena Goods vehicle actually did hit Jonathan Ross. How do 86 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: we know one because we saw it on video two, 87 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: Because it's been confirmed is been confirms that Jonathan Ross 88 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: had to go to the hospital for internal bleeding. The 89 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: leftly narrative on the whole Rene Good situation last week, 90 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: which we bemoan, we don't celebrate at all. It's a 91 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: tragedy that someone was radicalized by the propaganda, ended up 92 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: paying for with their life, the total tragedy. But their 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: narrative just dies even more day in and day out 94 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: because the officer, just like the officer last night, was 95 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: indeed fearing for his life. Now the response to that, 96 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act in 97 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: response to all this, these these terrible images, the fire, 98 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: the mayhem there, and also in response we probably should 99 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: add to Governor Tim Walls himself. Government Governor Tim Walls 100 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: took to his YouTube feed on Wednesday night to tell 101 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: Minnesotans to start creating a database of all the various 102 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: atrocities committed by ICE in the Twin Cities. Absolutely appalling stuff. 103 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: Go ahead and watch tonight. 104 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: I want to share another way you can help witness, 105 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: help us establish a record of exactly what's happening in 106 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: our communities. You have an absolute right to peacefully film 107 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: ICE agents as they conduct these activities. So carry your 108 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: phone with you at all times, and if you see 109 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: these ICE agents in your neighborhood, take out that phone 110 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 3: and hit record. Help us create a database of the 111 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: atrocities against Minnesotan's not just to establish a record for posterity, 112 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: but to bank evidence for future prosecution atrocities. 113 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: What a verbiage is this? After now multiple federal law 114 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: enforcement officials have had to shoot defensive shots and fear 115 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: for their life. It's appalling. Is Tim Walls trying to 116 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: get ICE agents killed? Does he want more debt agents? Frankly, 117 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm afraid of the answer. So by chance you're watching this, 118 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: Governor Waltz, don't answer. I don't even if I want 119 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: to hear it. It's just so deeply offensive. And again, 120 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,119 Speaker 1: a response to this Donald Trump has taken too true 121 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: social among other media and his threatenings a statue known 122 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: as the Insurrection Act. So the Insurrection Act goes all 123 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 1: the way back to eighteen oh seven. It is something 124 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: that this is the Thomas Jefferson presidencies. A statute goes 125 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: way back to the origins of the Republic, codified at 126 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: ten US Code, Section two fifty four. The Insurrection Act 127 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: was also discussed in twenty twenty. You might recall this 128 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: somewhat infamous op ed that Tom Cotton, the Center of 129 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: Arkansas wrote for The New York Times. It was in 130 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: early June twenty twenty, right after the George Floyd riot 131 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: started picking up gear and Tom Cotton's opbed was titled 132 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: Sending the Troops. That was the opbed that infamously led 133 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: to an editor's note of like five or six paragraphs. 134 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: There's a whole New York Times staff walkout ultimately led 135 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: to the resignation of Barry Weiss and many others from 136 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: the Times as well. And Tom Cotton was calling then 137 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: for the Insurrection Act as well. This is the parallel 138 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: that we have been drawing here on the show for 139 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: a week or so. Is this going to explode into 140 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. For a while, it looked like that was 141 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: not going to be the case. Increasingly, I am less 142 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: confident they're not stopping. They are being eight inebedded by wilful, 143 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: idiot neo Confederates insurrections, politicians like the Coward in the 144 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: Twin Cities Tim Walls, Keith Ellison, the Ittorney General, speaking 145 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: of this ludicrous State's Right stance in their own lawsuit 146 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: against DJs NICs. Did the Democratic Party stand for the 147 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: abolition of ice? Do they actually want to abolish federal 148 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement when it comes to immigration? Do they believe 149 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: in such thing as immigration law? The federal government the 150 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: United States of America has a very long history when it 151 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: comes to quashing state level rebellions. It was in the 152 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: early seventeen nineties, seventeen ninety three, ninety four around then 153 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: that George Washington himself literally George Washington. This is actually 154 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: before the Insurrection Act was even passed under the Jefferson presidency. 155 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: George Washington sent federal troops or the militia as it 156 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: was probably the case back then, to western Pennsylvania to 157 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: quash but at that time was known as the Whisky rebellion. 158 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: There is a very long history, very long history in 159 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: this country of in times of an arguing mayhem, using 160 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: federal law enforcement, indeed even the National Guard and or 161 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: of the act military to quash mayhem. It's true that 162 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: there is a law from the Reconstruction Error of Making 163 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: seventy eight known as the Possecommitatus Act. The Posse Coommitatus 164 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: Act generally prohibits federal troops from being used for domestic 165 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: law enforcement purposes. The clearest exception to the Possecommitatus Acts 166 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: is the Insurrection Act of eighteen oh seven. It is 167 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: the absolute statute to use in situations like this, where 168 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: you federalize the National Guard, and then you use the 169 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: federalized National Guard to go in and to restore order. 170 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has already done this to various degrees, most 171 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: prominently in Washington, d C. Which is a little different 172 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: because the federal government has more direct oversights of Washingt 173 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: d C. He's tried it in numerous other blue jurisdictions 174 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: as well. The courts have generally stopped them. Most recently 175 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court. The administration said that they were 176 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: going to take their foot off the gas pedal when 177 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: it comes to the National Guard into the Blue Cities. 178 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: For now, I think that time pretty squarely at this 179 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: point has passed because law and order must be restored. 180 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: Immigration law is just as much a part of federal 181 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: law as anything else. It is some of the most 182 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: foundational laws we have in this very country. Immigration laws 183 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: cut to the very essence of who we bring into 184 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: the community. Who are we as a people? Who is 185 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: this we the people that is spoken of in the 186 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: preamble the Constitution. Who is part of the polity the Paulus, 187 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: as Aristotle would have put it, Who are we? Illegal 188 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: aliens are physically here, they're not legally here. We did 189 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: not welcome that in Therefore they must go, whether not 190 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: they are quote unquote criminal aliens or just good old 191 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: fashioned illegal aliens who happened to be, as I just said, 192 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: criminal aliens as well. At this point is clear that 193 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: the neo Confederate John C. Calhoun, Jefferson Davis type, Minnesota officials, 194 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: Tim Walls, Keith Ellison, Jacob Fry, the mayor, they're not 195 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: gonna do anything when it comes to getting these bums 196 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: off our street. On the contrary, they're fan the flames 197 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: of anarcic Mayhem. This is the perfect instance for the 198 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: Insurrection Act to be invoked. Mister President. I hope frankly, 199 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: that you do exactly that, that you invote the Insurrection 200 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: Act asap, because if this is not an instance of 201 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: sending in federal law enforcement, just like Washington the Whiskey 202 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: Rebellion all those many years ago, if this is not 203 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: a clear case of doing exactly that, then I don't know, frankly, 204 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: what the statue exists for what is happening insider on. 205 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: It's been one of the big international stories now for 206 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: multiple weeks. For a while, it looked like the United 207 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: States under President Trump was really quite on the presspass 208 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: of taking some sort of action, some sort of action. 209 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what it would have been. Could 210 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: have been still could be a cyber attack, Still could 211 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: be some sort of actual kinetic military action target strikes 212 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: against missile defense, the ISLAMA for Revolutionary Guard Corps, against 213 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: the Mollahs and or of the Ayatollah Khamani himself. We 214 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: don't know. The big question is at this point is 215 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump backing off of his own red line. For 216 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: much of the past week or so, Donald Trump has 217 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: repeatedly said on truth social He has said, to the 218 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: run and people stay out on the streets of Tehran, 219 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: stay out in the streets all throughout this horrifically repressed country, 220 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: the isonmic Republic of Ran. Trump encouraged the ir audience 221 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: to take back their institutions, to fight against the thugs 222 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: in the IRGC and the rest of the Islamist theocracy. 223 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: It is not in doubt that any single Iranian who 224 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: was out there, who was acting upon that advice, who 225 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: is out there in the streets chanting for the overthrow 226 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: of Kamene the Ayatola, who was chanting for the overthrowing 227 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: of the Molus, who is clamoring, who was chanting for 228 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: the restoration of the Shah Raizapalavi, they know that they 229 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: are risking it all. They could be shot and killed 230 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: at any given moment by the paramilitary or outred military 231 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: thugs of this most cancerous and horrific of regimes. Indeed, 232 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: the death toll for the past few weeks, we don't 233 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: know the exact number, it's not estimated to be at 234 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: least twelve to twenty thousand. That's a lot of people. 235 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: And by the way, the Forur Minister of irong was 236 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: actually on Fox News talking about this with Brett Baher 237 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: earlier this week. Brett Bher in this interview, asked the 238 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: Foreign Minister about these horrific executions, and the Foreign Minister, laughably, 239 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: i'd be utterly, farcically said that it was not the 240 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: Irani regime actually killing, actually killing. The dissonance that in 241 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: fact he said it was is really massaud engage in 242 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: a false flag operation. To it's which the obvious question is, well, 243 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: first of all, that's absurd, But second of all, what 244 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: does that say about your own country that you so 245 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: don't have control of your own country that a foreign 246 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: agent is allegedly slaughtering thousands. I mean, it's just so 247 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: palpably insane. But make no mistake about it. In his 248 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: various posts, Donald Trump said to keep up the fight 249 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: because help is on the way. That's what he said. 250 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: He said, help is on the way. He said, Miga 251 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: and IgA make a run great again. As you know 252 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: if you watch the show daily, I am not a 253 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: fan of red lines in foreign policy. Foreign policy should 254 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: be handled clandestinely, secretly among people meeting in the situation room, 255 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: among conversations between the commander in chief and the Chairman 256 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: of the Joint Chiefs, and all the various folks who 257 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: have presumably different opinions, and allulimately the buck stops with 258 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: the Commander in Chief. Alexander Hamilton, in the Federals number seventy, 259 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: one of the Federals papers dedicated to explain the nature 260 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: of Article II in the Executive Branch, famously says that 261 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: the executive power must be vested in one individual, the 262 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: President of the United States, because here he has secrecy 263 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: and dispatch. So I, much like Hamilton, value secrecy when 264 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: it comes to the presidency. Again, I'm no fan of 265 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: red lines, but the simple question that I have now 266 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: is if you issue a red line, which Donald Trump 267 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: did not. Only did he say keep it up helps 268 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: on the way, he also said earlier this week that 269 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: if the regime keeps on slaughtering their own people, they're 270 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: going to pay a heavy price. That's a threat, that 271 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: is a direct threat. So why haven't we seen anything yet? 272 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: Well on Wednesday, so yesterday, Donald Trump said while he 273 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: was signing some executive orders in the Oval Office, he 274 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: said that we've been told that the killing in Iran 275 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: is stopping, and that stopped. He said that we've been 276 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: told that on good authority. Well, that's that's a little weird. 277 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean, on whose authority have you heard that, mister President. 278 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: Is it the Ayatolas, the Malls themselves, the same people 279 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: that went on Brett Bayer to say that it was 280 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Masad slaughtering these Iranians? Are Are they the quote unquote 281 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: authority who are announcing that the killing has stopped? Not 282 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: sure that one makes a whole lot of sense, With 283 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: all due respect, mister President. The latest as of this 284 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: morning a senior Saudi official telling French media that Saudi Arabia, Katar, 285 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: and Oman persuaded President Trump to give Iran a chance. 286 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: Apparently those three countries, Saudi Arabia, Katar, and Oman, warns 287 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: President Trump that striking Tehran would lead to quote unquote 288 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: serious consequences. Now already, the United States had acted a 289 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: couple of days ago by pulling back soldiers from all 290 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: you Daid Airbase in Qatar, the largest American air base 291 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: in the region, and various other military bases as well. 292 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: We started to pair back our military assets. There have 293 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: been lots of other assets that have been starting to 294 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: make a b line to the region. B fifty two bombers. 295 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: Also has to say there were reports that an aircraft 296 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: carrier strike group that was currently positioned in the South 297 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: China Sea was ordered to start heading towards the Persian 298 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: Gulf towards the Middle East. So it's a little too 299 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: early to write this off and to say that President 300 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: Trump is officially backing down. I'm not quite ready to 301 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: do that yet. He has already done some other things, 302 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: for whatever it may or may not be worth. He 303 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: announced that tariffs will be increased to at least twenty 304 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: five percent. When it comes to Iran's trading partners, there's 305 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: some economic leverage. Furthermore, earlier today, the Trump mistiration announced 306 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: new sanctions targeting a new slew of senior Iranian officials, 307 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: and he also designated a certain infamous prison called Fardis Prison. 308 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: It's a facility where U officials say they have subjected 309 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: female detainees above all to absolutely cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. 310 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: There are new sanctions slapped in this particular prison as well. 311 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: So he's not doing nothing, and to be sure, something 312 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: still could happen. Let's recall that last June there was 313 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: this prolonged, extended debate as to whether or not Donald 314 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: Trump is going to get involved in the twelve day 315 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: war between Israel and Doron, and when President Trump finally 316 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: did take military action in this remarkable thirty seven hour 317 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: B two bomber run over for Dow and a couple 318 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: of other Iranian nuke sites that happened over the weekend. 319 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: Happened on Saturday, early evening US time, or the middle 320 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: of the night over in Persia and Iran. So perhaps 321 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: it will happen this weekend as well. But mister president, 322 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: you were running out of time. I would not have 323 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: advised to indiscriminately start dropping bombs or anything like that 324 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: as recently as a few weeks ago. I'm not even 325 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: sure it's stated that is exactly what is necessary. You 326 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: have to be careful about how you're going to enforce 327 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: red line. But the key point is that red line 328 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: must be enforced. You can't make red line threats unless 329 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: you're going to back it up. You can't say that 330 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: the Iranian regime, if you keep on slaughtering your citizens, 331 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: you're going to have hell to pay for it. And 332 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: then when they keep on sldering, don't do anything. When 333 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: President Trump first made that threat, the estimates were that 334 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: the regime had killed a few hundred five six hundred runnings. Again, 335 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: these are all rough estimates, very hard to get reliable 336 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: information on this part of the world, and in the 337 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: days that followed that number went from a few hundreds 338 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: to twelve to twenty thousand rough estimate. Mister President, they 339 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: crossed the red line. The red line has been crossed, 340 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: stomped on, trampled over, torn to a million shreads, and 341 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: sanctions is not going to cut it at this point. Trump, 342 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: at this point unfortunately, runs the risk of looking a 343 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: lot like Barack Obama. Barack Obama issued his infamous red 344 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: line in the context of the Syrian Civil War around 345 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen twenty fourteen, when Bashar al Assade was using 346 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: chemical weaponry to gas his own citizens. That red line 347 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: was also crossed. The Barack obomb minstration did virtually nothing 348 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: in response. They sent out Chuck Hagel to the Senate 349 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: to announce in advance that there was going to be 350 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: a symbolic quote unquote pinprick strike. A fat lot of 351 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: good that does to enforce a red line, mister President. 352 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: He just had a remarkable operation in Caracas, Venezuela, a stunning, 353 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: stunning demonstration of American military might. Incredible stuff. What is 354 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: up with the schizophrenia here? Again? I'm not have advised 355 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: a red line. I don't like red lines. I'm a 356 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: Hamiltonian in that sense. But the red line was issued, 357 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: and the red line has been crossed and crossed and 358 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: crossed again. If American deterrence is going to continue to 359 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: mean anything, and we will stand up to our enemies, 360 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: it is of vital importance to not make a Barack 361 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: Obama failed mistake. Mister President, enforce that red line. We'll 362 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: be right back on the other side with James Lindsay. 363 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: One of the issues we've been covering for months now, 364 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: and for better for us, we probably are not going 365 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: to stop covering it anytime soon is the brain rot 366 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: op as I call it, metastasizing in parts of the 367 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: so called ride. Really emphasis, I would say on so 368 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: called right. Earlier this week we discussed Grandma Grouper, which 369 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: is what I and others are starting to call Megan Kelly, 370 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: who was but the latest to fall down this particularly 371 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: irksome rabbit holes. Really no one better to bring on 372 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: to discuss this entire irksome feeded, stinking phenomenon than James Lindsay. 373 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: James Lindsay is the founder and editor of New Discourses. 374 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: You can follow him on x where he runs a 375 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: very lively and active account at Conceptual James, James, Welcome 376 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: to the Josh Hammer Show. You know, you and I 377 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: have had some very minor squabbles in the past. I 378 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: very much want this to be seen for the burying 379 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: of the hatchet that it is, because you've really been 380 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: a tremendous voice of clarity when it comes to calling 381 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: out just really profound evil. I mean, evil's actually the 382 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: word that comes to mind is the very first word 383 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: that comes to mind when we see a lot was 384 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: being spouted by the Tucker Carlson's of the world, the 385 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: cannon Zones of the world, and increasingly and tragically these days, frankly, 386 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: the Megan Kelly's of the world, to no small extent, 387 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: not as bad as the other two, but it's it's 388 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: getting pretty bad. So, James, I kind of want to 389 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: just turn over to you. You you were on this 390 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: pretty pretty quickly. I guess. The very first question is 391 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: why is this happening? What is the incentive structure such 392 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: that we are currently out of the situation that we're 393 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: at right now. 394 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 4: Well, I think the incentive structure is actually to seize 395 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: control of the future direction of the Republican Party and 396 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: conservative movement, and that means also to scatter to the 397 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 4: winds the influence of the Trump doctrine that's broadly known 398 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 4: as MAGA or Make America Great Again. And I'll just say, 399 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 4: by the way, that where you said just a moment 400 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 4: ago that you know that this is that we've had, 401 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 4: you know, our differences in the past. Let me just 402 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 4: bring that up. Our differences are, like I said to 403 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 4: you in private message at one point a few a 404 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: month or two of go, they're completely irrelevant compared to 405 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: what we're talking about right now, because there's a difference 406 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 4: between debates about policy and even like the full meaning 407 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 4: of conservatism and all of those kinds of things versus 408 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 4: like you just said, a moral issue this is this 409 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 4: is a completely different thing. So, for example, when the 410 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 4: Vice President came out in defensive Tucker Carlson and said, 411 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 4: you know, well, I'm not going to throw my friends 412 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 4: under the bus. I have lots of disagreements with different people. 413 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 4: It's like there are different kinds of disagreements, right and 414 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 4: This is, in my opinion, one of these points where 415 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 4: we have to be very clear. Then we're not just 416 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: talking about you know, ah, you know, should it be 417 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 4: a thirty five percent tax rate or a thirty two 418 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: percent tax right kind of a disagreement, or you know, 419 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 4: should we go more nationalists a little bit, or should 420 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 4: we go you know, more libertarian a little bit. This 421 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 4: is a profound moral disagreement, and like I said, I 422 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 4: think it is being injected into the Republican Party and 423 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 4: conservative movement to create the conditions under which the coalition 424 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 4: that Trump put together, the Maga energy, the mega phenomenon, 425 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: can be scattered, broken apart, and then what can happen 426 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 4: is that this radicalism, this you know, whether we call 427 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 4: it postliberal or whether we call it neo Buchananite or 428 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 4: whatever fancy term we want, can become a center of 429 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: mass around which the conservative movement reforms out of necessity 430 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 4: going forward after it's been bashed to pieces. So this 431 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: is the bashed to pieces part. They bring in all 432 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 4: of this crazy stuff, all of this morally objectionable stuff 433 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 4: that true conservatives will just not get on with. They 434 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 4: won't they won't do it, they won't go there and 435 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: they let things fall apart, try to make themselves a 436 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: center of mass, and then say, oh my god, we 437 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 4: have to win an election. 438 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: Come with us. 439 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: James Lizay is the founder and editor of New Discourses. 440 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: Check them out at new discourses dot Com. Follow him 441 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: on x as well at Conceptual James. So, first of all, 442 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: I could not agree with you more that the goal 443 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: here is to tear apart MAGA, the really the American rights. 444 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: More broadly, I mean, when you do, as Tucker Carlson 445 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: did in his interview with nig fund is, when you 446 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: go after Christian Zionists and say that you hate them 447 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: more than anyone on the face of the earth. You know, 448 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: if we define Zionis as someone who simply agrees that 449 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: the state of Israel should exist, which is the literal 450 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: definition essentially of being a Zionist, then you're talking here 451 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: about a plurality, perhaps even the outright majority of the 452 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: Republican Party's current base. So I agree with you that 453 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: the goal is to tear down the GOP mag of 454 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: American rights. All the above, frankly as it currently exists. 455 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: I think the million dollar question, James, is still is why. 456 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, why this seething hatred for the 457 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 1: current infrastructure as it current exists, and just as importantly, 458 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: what is the actual goal beyond that? What do they 459 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: hope to be the successor to the current vague manifestation? Again, 460 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: the details can be filled in by lots of people, 461 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: but the broader contours the American right, why do they 462 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: hate it so freaking much that they want to tear 463 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: all down and build something new? 464 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 4: You know, it's a there's a degree of openness to 465 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 4: this question. So I don't want to come in here 466 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 4: and be the kind of pundit that's like, this is 467 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 4: what it is, Josh, It's just simple. But I mean 468 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: there are a lot of pieces to it too. The 469 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 4: part that I just mentioned that, you know, there's this 470 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 4: vision for a different kind of Republican Party post Obama 471 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 4: that got dashed on the rocks by the success of 472 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: Donald Trump and MAGA is one motivation. This so called 473 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: paleo conservative movement as it's sometimes called, is trying to 474 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 4: reassert itself into conservative politics, and Trump actually forestalled that 475 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 4: and in fact, in some ways sort of stole their 476 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 4: thunder a little bit. And I think there's a resentment 477 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 4: there among a lot of the Gropers, for example, they 478 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 4: see themselves as the real initial maga that's been stolen 479 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 4: for this, you know, pro America thing instead. But then 480 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: you have these other influences that can't be denied, that 481 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 4: are very apparent but without hard proof of foreign influence. 482 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 4: The conflict happening in or the issue happening in Iran, 483 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 4: with the Iranians fighting for their liberation from the Islamic 484 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 4: Republic right now is bringing that into stark relief. You 485 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: see these same characters out talking not about the demand 486 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 4: for liberation for Iran, as so many American conservatives, so 487 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 4: many Israelis and so on are all kind of cheering for, 488 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 4: as so many people in the world are cheering for, 489 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 4: but instead counter signaling or saying, now, how's the time 490 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 4: to make an allyship with Russia, as Tucker Carlson just 491 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 4: came out of nowhere and said, So you have a 492 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 4: open question that seems it's like there's a lot of smoke, 493 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,239 Speaker 4: even if we haven't seen the fire yet, that there 494 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 4: are foreign influences coming in and kind of dictating in 495 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 4: some degree what these people's angles are. So these people 496 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 4: have the same kind of agendas to tear apart the 497 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 4: Conservative movement to undermine America and its strength in the 498 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 4: world to set up a multi polar world order. But 499 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 4: they also have a strong incentive to undermine President Trump's 500 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 4: second term and the success that it could have, and 501 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 4: any continuation into a possible next conservative administration after him. 502 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: James, just a couplement has left here before our next break. 503 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: But at least one more question that comes immediately to mind, 504 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: which is look personally, as observing jew, I find myself 505 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: just deeply grateful when I see folks who are not 506 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: themselves Jewish, who have the clarity to call out to 507 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: Jew hatred unambiguously and vociferously. So for instance, we had 508 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: Brandon Tatum on the show May a couple months ago, 509 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: and I said the exact same thing to Brandon Sethen 510 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: Babylon Bee, also a fairly recent guest. I said the 511 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: same thing to him as well, there's there's there's no 512 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 1: shortage of you guys. And I find myself just frankly, 513 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: on a very personal level, but also just as an 514 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: American for all the above reasons, I find myself frankly 515 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: just very grateful. And I guess the question is why, 516 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: you know, why do you find yourself so compelled to 517 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: speak out in moments like this. 518 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 4: You know, I feel it's very interesting because those other 519 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 4: guys are Christian and I'm famously not, so you know, 520 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 4: they have this other kind of religious motivation. The ties 521 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 4: there are deep. Of course, I'm broadly culturally Christian and 522 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 4: whatever that word means. I grew up in a Christian context, 523 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. But I was raised with kind 524 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 4: of a very plain spoken mother, just very you know, 525 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 4: plain woman in a lot of regards, and she used 526 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 4: to just say right is right and wrong is wrong. 527 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 4: It's not much more complicated than that. Of course, we 528 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 4: know morals and ow things are a lot more complicated 529 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 4: than that. But for you know, a raising, that's a 530 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 4: pretty good message. And it's very clear to me and 531 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 4: has been clear to me my entire life. Not because 532 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: of some mysterious you know, post war liberal order that's 533 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 4: going to prevent the rise of the Nazis ever again, 534 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 4: for you know, and through artificial means and power games, 535 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 4: but just because I don't know, this sounds peculiar to 536 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: have to say out loud, but Jews are people and 537 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 4: persecuting people for something, you know, like this just doesn't 538 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: make any sense. It's just wrong. It just files under 539 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 4: completely wrong. Plus you know all the strategic things watching 540 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 4: you know, this coalition that we built, this thing that 541 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 4: had all its positive momentum that was growing, get dashed 542 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 4: on the rocks as frustrating. But right is right and 543 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 4: wrong is wrong at the end of the day, and 544 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: the right thing to do is to stand up for 545 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 4: the freedoms and liberties of people, aside from every strategic 546 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 4: aspect you can think of. I mean, it's said that 547 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 4: Jews are frequently in a society canaries in the coal mine, 548 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 4: that if they are being threatened, everybody else is going 549 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 4: to be threatened on the back end of that. But 550 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: it's not even part of the consideration except kind of 551 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: as an afterthought. Right is right, wrong as wrong. This 552 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 4: is the right thing to do. 553 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: Right is right. 554 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: Wrong is wrong. It's really hard, I think, to get 555 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: it any simpler than that, and it's profound, and it's 556 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: exactly right, frankly, And you're also totally right that no 557 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: society that has ever turned around the Jews has ever 558 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: been better for it. Simply put this brand new essay 559 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: actually up a tablet magazine by Mike Duram. We're going 560 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: to bring a Mike on the show next week to 561 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: kind of unpet that thesis at greater detail. But for now, James, 562 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: it has been really nice to chat with you. Thank 563 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: you genuinely from bamb my heart. Thank you for speaking 564 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: up with the clarity that you do on these issues. 565 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: I know that I'm not the only one who's grateful 566 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 1: for you. Follow James on X folks at Conceptual James, 567 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: thank you for joining the Josh Amicher, James, we really 568 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: do appreciate it. 569 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 4: Thank you, Josh. 570 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: Stay tuned through the break. We will be right back 571 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: on the other side. Josh Holly Missouri going crazy on 572 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: a doctor? What's up with that? Stay tuned, we'll unpack 573 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: it for you. Welcome back. When discussed earlier this week, 574 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: the huge transgender or argument Day at the U Supreme 575 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: Court on Tuesday, where are these two consolidated cases out 576 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: of Idaho and West Virginia essentially presented the exact same 577 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: question to the nine justices, namely, does a state law 578 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: that requires only biological women to compete against fellow biological 579 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: women when it comes to athletic competition? Does that law 580 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: the prohibition of biological males competing against biological females in sports, 581 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: does that somehow violate the fourteenth Amendment of eighteen sixty 582 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: eight in the Constitution, or Title nine, the statute that 583 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: was mended to the Civil Rights Acts in nineteen seventy two. 584 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: The obvious answer is no, And despite some admittedly somewhat 585 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: uncomfortable questions asked by the writer Center Justice at the hearing, 586 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: I continue to think that this ruling will come out 587 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: ultimately the correct way. You will find out soon enough. 588 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: But it's not just women's athletic competition that is currently 589 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: being torn asunder by the transgender lobby. Unfortunately, it is 590 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: also the medical profession itself. Yes, the medical profession, the 591 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: profession that is most important, literally, of all the professions. 592 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: Is there one that comes to mind that is more 593 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: indispensibly necessary for understanding the biological distinction between male and female, 594 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: between xx chromosome structure and x y, between certain types 595 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: of genitalia and other types, between certain hormones and other hormones. Well, 596 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: there was a stunning clip that's also going viral over 597 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: in the US. Senate Josh Hawley of Missouri, one of 598 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: the most authentic Christian social conservatives, in the Senate. I'm 599 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: a longtime fan of centaer holies on a personal level 600 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: as well. He's going viral because he had the following 601 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: exchange with a doctor who couldn't answer whether or not 602 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: men can get pregnants. Go ahead and watch this one. 603 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: Do you think that men can get pregnant? 604 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 5: I hesitated there because I wasn't sure where the conversation 605 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 5: was going or what the goal was. I mean, I 606 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 5: do take care of patients with different identities. I take 607 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 5: care of many women. I take care of people with 608 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 5: different identities, and so that's where I paused. I think, yeah, 609 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 5: I wasn't sure where you were going with that. 610 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: Well, the goal is is the truth? So can men 611 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: get pregnant? 612 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 5: Again? The reason I pause there is I'm not really 613 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 5: sure what the goal of the question. 614 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: Goal is to establish a biological reality. 615 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 6: You just said a moment ago that science and evidence 616 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 6: should control not politics. 617 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: So let's just test that proposition. Can men get pregnant? 618 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 5: I take care of people with many identities. 619 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: But can men get pregnant? 620 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 5: Many women that can get pregnant, I do take care 621 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 5: of people that don't identify. 622 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: As women that can Can men get pregnant? 623 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 5: Again, as I'm saying, let me. 624 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 6: Just remind you testified to a moment ago. Science and 625 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 6: evidence should control not politics. So should can men get pregnant? 626 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 5: You're a doctor at say, science and evident and should 627 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 5: guide medicine. 628 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 6: I do science that evidence tell us that men can 629 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 6: get pregnant, Biological men, can they get pregnant? 630 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 5: I also think yes, No questions like this are a 631 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 5: political tool. 632 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 2: No, yes, no, questions are about the truth. Doctor. Let's 633 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: not make a mockery of this proceeding. 634 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So, first of all, I mean the sheer chutzpah, 635 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: The temerity of this doctor to question Josh Holly, a 636 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: former state Attorney General, former clerk on the U Supreme Court, 637 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: as to what is or is not an appropriate question 638 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: to ask a witness testifying is early remarkable. But doctor 639 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: niche Verma is not just a doctor. She is an obgyn. 640 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: This is someone who is tasked whose job is to 641 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: care for women, mainly when they're pregnant, but also when 642 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: they're healthy, for routine annual checkups and things like that. 643 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: She is a women's doctor. And yet she cannot define 644 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: what is the broader category of human beings who can 645 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: get pregnant. This is very, very similar to that Q 646 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: and A that we saw earlier this week between Justice 647 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: sam Alito and Kathleen Hartnet, the lawyer for the ACLU, 648 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: about what is a woman? The advocate for the ACLU 649 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: couldn't answer what is woman? Or what is sex? What 650 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: is the definition of sex? She basically just said there 651 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: that we will defer to the underlying state statute, whoever 652 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: they define it. She's neglecting to objectively answer what is sex? 653 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: So too, here is doctor niez Verma, who is neglecting 654 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 1: to answer Josh Hally's very reasonable question as to whether 655 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: me being a pregnant. It's said enough that that is 656 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: a reasonable question in the year twenty twenty six, not 657 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: that long ago. Frankly ten years ago, fifteenth most we're 658 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: really ten years ago. You could have asked a room 659 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: of kindergarteners, a bunch of five year olds who are 660 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: picking the nose of boogers, who are playing with the 661 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: kindergarten class Bunny the rabbit, pick up their little bunnies, 662 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: poop the little pebbles, and you could you could ask them, hey, Joey, 663 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: hey Jane, can a man get pregnant? And they would 664 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: literally answer, no, don't be silly, what are you talking about? 665 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: And here's this obgyn, a a women's doctor who cannot 666 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: answer as to whether men can get pregnant. Folks, we're 667 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: just talking a few minutes ago with James Lindsay of 668 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: new discourses about all the rot in certain parts of 669 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: the so called rights, and we call it out wherever 670 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: we see it, and we're not gonna stop, because it's 671 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: really important. The reason that I care so much about 672 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: calling out the rot on the right is because the 673 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: real civilizational enemy is this the left, the folks who 674 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: are trying to gaslight you and manipulate you into not 675 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: understanding that men cannot get pregnant. It's not understanding that 676 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: there are two sexes, not five, not twenty nine thousand, 677 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: not three, not four two one two Xx's why that's it. Yes, 678 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: there's a brain rot happening on the right. There is 679 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: a common sense rot happening on the left and been 680 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: happening now for a very very long time. The whole 681 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: unborn baby is a clump of cells. Argument. Catherine Pollut, 682 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: the pro abortion fanatic, wrote this book a little over 683 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: a decade ago, Shout your abortion, Be Proud, of it. Oh, 684 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: it's demonic. It's utterly satanic, demonic stuff. The notion that 685 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: a pepubescent individual thinks that he or she is of 686 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: the opposite sex and that he or she can consent 687 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: with an ideologically minded parents, consent or non consent in 688 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: order to engage in chest binders or puberty blockers, or 689 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: hormonal therapy aka chemical castration, maybe even God for the 690 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: general mutilation. This an attempt not just to trample on 691 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: God's plan for the world, which it is, not just 692 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: an attempt to trample on the truth which it is, 693 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: is an attempt to make you lose your mind and 694 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: to bring us back again to James Lindsay. This is 695 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: why I care about calling out the bad actors trying 696 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: to co opt and to make in their own dystopian 697 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: image the right, Because only a rite that is viable, 698 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: only a right that is healthy, only a right that 699 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: knows what it stands for, and just as importantly, the 700 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: corollary that which it does not stand for. Only that right, 701 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: only that conservative movement can ever be equipped to take 702 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: on these people. You think that you're gonna take on 703 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: these utter lunatics, the people that can't answer whether menepregnant. 704 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: You think that you're gonna take them on by welcoming 705 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: neo nats. What they stand for lies. This is a 706 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: woman who can't tell the truth, doctor niche Verma. She 707 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: can't tell the truth to Josh Holly, Kathleen Hartnet, the 708 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: ACLU lawyer. She could not tell the truth to Sam Alito. 709 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: They're lying because their entire ideology and world depends upon it. 710 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: That is why is of the utmost importance that we 711 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 1: on Team Civilizational Satiny stand for the opposite of lies. 712 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: We stand for the truth. The truth is downstream of 713 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: the Biblical inheritance. God is part of the truth. The 714 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: Bible is part of the truth. Revelation is part of 715 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: the truth. That's what Western Civilization's about, isn't it. We 716 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: are here to preserve this from one generation to the next. 717 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: Only when we understand that will we be equipped to 718 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: fight these real, real enemies of Western civilization, whether it's 719 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: niche Verma, Kathleen Hartnett, or frankly even Katanjibroon Jackson, the 720 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 1: Justice who could not answer the what is woman question 721 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 1: at her own confirmation hearing four years ago. The right 722 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: must be healthy to take on these lunatics on the left. 723 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: The two are not opposite. They say, Josh, why do 724 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: you call out this focus on that. You gotta do both. 725 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: They completely come together, folks, It all fits together. We 726 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: have to be positioned to take on the radical left. 727 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: Only then will we prevail on the civilizational struggle. I'm 728 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 1: Josh Hammer. Have a great evening. We'll be right back tomorrow.