1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Life Audio, Red Heifer's Israel, the Anti Christ. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: Oh my, we are talking about. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: All of these things today, and you might be like, 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: this is this Lunds Week, the craziest podcast episode ever? 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: It truly is. We're talking about in Times theology, and 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: I have my friends Tracy and che Che joining me 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: to talk about it. 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: Let's dive in. 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, ladies and gents, and welcome to this 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: week's episode of the bottom Beloved podcast. 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: As always, it's a. 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: Girl Kirby Kelly back at it again, and I am thrilled, 13 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: Like I cannot emphasize enough how thrilled I am for 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: today's episode and today's guests. Yeah, you heard me right, 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: more than one person. I have my friends that Tracy 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 1: and chee Che from the Faith and Friction podcast. 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: There's typically four of them on that podcast. 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: I snagged two of them, two of my friends today 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: to talk about a book that they have been telling 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: me about for what feels like maybe a year, two years. 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: And the title of their book, I think it's like 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: one of the most brilliant titles in the whole world. 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: And you'll get it. 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: You'll get it once I say it. It's called Holy Cow. 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: End Times prophecy just got real decoding the mysteries of 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: the last days and the good news of Jesus's return. 27 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? What a title, what a topic? 28 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: So good? 29 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: But before we dive into all of that and more like, 30 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: we're talking red Heffer's, we're talking about the temple in Jerusalem, 31 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: We're talking about end times, which I know can be 32 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: kind of daunting, and maybe for some of you you're like, 33 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: I don't really like to track into that territory because 34 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: people over here and people have their theories, and everyone 35 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: feels kind of crazy. This is a very approachable book. 36 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,639 Speaker 1: These are very approachable friends of mine who are talking 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: about these things, and I'm excited for you to listen 38 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: to this episode, but I'm also excited. 39 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: For you to read the book. 40 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: So with that being said, Tracy Cheety, thanks for being here, 41 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for writing the book. 42 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: But can you introduce yourselves. 43 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: And let everyone know a little bit about who y'all 44 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: are or what you do, what you're passionate about. 45 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: Man, Yes, I'm just like smiling ear to ear. 46 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: That was the best intro. 47 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 5: I incredible shut out to your girl, Kirby, back at 48 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 5: it again. I love it. I love it. That's a 49 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 5: lot man introduction. Do you want to go first? You 50 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 5: want me to go first? Yes, I'm chee Chy originally 51 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 5: from Fort Worth, Texas, live in Nashville now. Tracy is 52 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: my wife. And so we get to do a lot 53 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 5: of these things together. And I won't give you my 54 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 5: full gambit of intro. I'll give you the intro that 55 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 5: is relevant to the book. Other than I do a 56 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 5: lot of things. We get to do a lot of 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 5: ministry together, a lot of next gen ministry, ministry I've 58 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 5: got to do with Kirby. Me and Kirby actually did 59 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 5: a gaming conference together this year, which is really fun. 60 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 5: And so we just travel the country doing ministry. About 61 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 5: fifteen years now, I've been, i like to say, oddly 62 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 5: obsessed with eschatology, which is just the study of end times, 63 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 5: and it just yeah, it piqued my interest. It's one 64 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 5: of the things I felt the Lord was the first 65 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 5: thing he kind of shared with me as far as 66 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 5: what I'd be called to do ultimately in life, even 67 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 5: though that vehicle would change. And so yeah, just I'm 68 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 5: a worship leader, singer, songwriter, a lover of Jesus, a 69 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 5: lover of nextigen, a lover of Tracy love it. 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 2: What about you, Tracy Tracy. 71 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: Again, I'll share my lens and perspective as it pertains 72 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: to this. I was rescued by Jesus almost seven years ago, 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: and he rescued me out of the New Age and 74 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: the occult, and so spiritual warfare was very real to me. 75 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: It always has been real to me. And until I encountered. 76 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: Jesus, I began to understand the language and the hope 77 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: that is within Jesus and just the schemes of the enemy. 78 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: And we actually met one year into my salvation sanctification, 79 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: and I would just express things about the end times 80 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: and spiritual warfare that I didn't have biblical language for, 81 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: and she should be like, actually, that's right here in scripture. 82 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: And so it was really cool just walking through my 83 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 3: first couple of years with Chi Chi, like teaching me 84 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: the word, but also having this like discernment of things 85 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: to come and just all the things spiritual warfare. And 86 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: so we now have a podcast with two other amazing friends, 87 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: and how the Lord just put us all together and 88 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: in this time with this book is nothing but supernatural. 89 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: And yeah, so that's kind of just the back end 90 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: of who we are and how we got here to 91 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: have an end times conversation? 92 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 5: Right? 93 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: I love it. I love that y'all. 94 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: I want to say, we're brave enough and we're bold 95 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: enough to take on a topic like this, especially for 96 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: this day and age, because I feel like for a 97 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of people, and maybe this is just because of 98 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: the Internet co that we live in, where it's like 99 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: everything is a sign, everything is the End Times, and 100 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: then like it doesn't come to pass, and it's like 101 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: there's so much confusion, and I think people are even 102 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: hesitant to even tiptoe towards that. You all take a 103 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: biblical approach to it of analyzing the scriptures first, which 104 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, who would have thought that we should 105 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: go to the word of God first and interpret it 106 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: through the lens of itself and then apply it to 107 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: the culture that we're living in and seeing today. But 108 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: for the listeners today who might be feeling overwhelmed or 109 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: even hesitant about end Times conversations, like, what was the 110 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: heart behind you all choosing to write this book knowing 111 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: that that's kind of the nuance behind some people when 112 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: it comes to these conversations. 113 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 5: Man, A few things, really there was to your point, 114 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 5: it's a conversation that for a lot of people, especially 115 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 5: younger people and even older if you really think about it, 116 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 5: because there's not a whole bunch of people that just 117 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 5: regularly talk about it, and we've kind of been coined 118 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 5: as the end times people now a lot of these 119 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 5: groups and settings, which I'm totally okay with. Yeah, but 120 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 5: there's people that want to and are curious about some 121 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 5: are fearful of. I know a lot of people when 122 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 5: you first start reading Scripture, you first get saved, and 123 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 5: people mentioned revelations and it's like the first verses like 124 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 5: be where the end is near? And you're like, yeah, 125 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 5: I'm good on that, but I don't I'm not trying 126 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 5: to do none of that stuff. But we wanted to 127 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 5: make this conversation easy and way less intimidating than people 128 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 5: perceive it to be. There's a scripture in Luke where 129 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 5: Jesus is coming into Jerusalem and scripture says that he 130 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 5: wept over the city because they didn't know the times, 131 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 5: they didn't understand the times that were pointing to him coming. 132 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 5: And so how much more so now in a time 133 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 5: period where we're hearing, you know, people and evangelists and 134 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 5: pastors and a lot of people are saying, Forrest, Frank 135 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 5: and Jake just got our song out now, or Josiah McQueen, 136 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 5: Josiah Queen have a song called Jesus is coming soon. 137 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 5: We're hearing this more and more, and I'm like, what 138 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 5: does that actually mean if you hear that? Is it 139 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 5: just saying it because the world is crazy and it's 140 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 5: getting crazier, or is there something biblically that's actually telling 141 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 5: us and pointing us to the very fact that hey, 142 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 5: we are entering into a season that could very well 143 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 5: be Christ's return. And there's a lot of believers that 144 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 5: don't understand this conversation and they need to come at 145 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 5: it from a place of confidence and biblical understanding and 146 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 5: not like fear and dread and doubt. 147 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's really important. 148 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: Like I'm proud of this book and I'm proud of 149 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: this team because I feel like we really took a 150 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: posture of humility and we use investigative language. So it's like, 151 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: come along with us to take the journey through scripture 152 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: and let's figure this out together. 153 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, take this to the 154 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: Holy Spirit for yourself. Our book will always point to. 155 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: Jesus no matter what, Like, there's nothing about this book 156 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: that shouts it's time to panic. It might say it's 157 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: time to prepare, like prepare your heart, get in the 158 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: word of God for yourself, come alongside community. And so 159 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: I feel like this approach is just really healthy and 160 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: maybe someone has been lacking And so there's no topic 161 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: in scripture that should be off limits or that people 162 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: you know, it's like when you start to tense up 163 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: or get triggered, then let's kind of talk through that together. 164 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: And it's okay to disagree, but like let's one always 165 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: point to Jesus, but let's navigate it together and we 166 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 3: can and it's healthy and it's good. 167 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 4: So it's kind of the approach we took. 168 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: I love what you said there of just like we 169 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: don't need to be in a place of panic, but 170 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: we can be in a place of preparation. 171 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that is such. 172 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: A good approach that a lot of people need to hear. 173 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: Like I have people who are close to me in 174 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: my life where it's like there is that panic, there 175 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: is that constant source of fear. And when I think 176 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: about Jesus and how he tells us that we are 177 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: not even to have a spirit of fear, but of 178 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: a sound mind, love control, right all these things. It's 179 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: like that applies I think, like you said, to the 180 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: lot of scripture, to these conversations that maybe we haven't 181 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: been so open to or feel kind of closed off 182 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: and mysterious in a way. Another thing you said is 183 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: talking about how there is even discussions sometimes where there 184 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: might be disagreements on certain things. So I'm wondering for 185 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: the both of you, you know, end times discussions can 186 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,479 Speaker 1: even be a place of division, I think among Christians. 187 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: So were there any guardrails that you all intentionally put 188 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: within your book to keep it rooted in scripture versus speculation, 189 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: because I know that there are a lot of people 190 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: that come into it with specific interpretations, like you say, eschatology, 191 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: and that there's different views of things unwind. I even 192 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: made an episode a while back just about you know, 193 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: the rapture and the whole idea of that biblically, and 194 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: that is even something that certain Christians we have different 195 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: views on based off of our interpretation of scriptures. So 196 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: what was your approach to that where where there might 197 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: be division or just a misunderstanding on an interpretation level. 198 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, so even beyond guardrails more so a foundational truth 199 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 5: that brings everyone to the table as a believer. And 200 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 5: so there's so many times in this book that we'll say, 201 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 5: even kind of like trolling, we will say it in 202 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 5: the book and we'll say, hey, just in case you 203 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 5: missed it, Jesus is the final sacrifice and atonement for 204 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 5: your sins and the only way to the Fathers through him. 205 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 5: And because of what he did, we are now invited 206 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 5: into eternal life and salvation. And if we can agree 207 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 5: on that, we can disagree on everything else in this 208 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 5: book and high five at the end of it and 209 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 5: say I'll see you in heaven. And so that's kind 210 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 5: of like the yeah, similar to what Tracy said to 211 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 5: or it's like this, everything points back to Jesus at 212 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 5: the end of the day. That is, salvation is the 213 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 5: important thing, and salvation is the primary thing. All of 214 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 5: these other conversations are secondary to salvation. Even though we're 215 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 5: wanting people to be prepared, even though we're trying to, 216 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 5: you know, do the best we can to go through 217 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 5: scripture and hopefully bring clarity and understanding and confidence to 218 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 5: this conversation. At the end of the day. It is Jesus, 219 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 5: it is Christ, and Christ crucified and resurrected for our 220 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 5: sins so that we may enter into eternal life. And 221 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 5: so it's like the important thing. 222 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also I just think we I went 223 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 3: to school for journalism and worked in the new like 224 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: I love critical thinking, and I think we just need 225 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: to get back to having just healthy dialogue. And again, 226 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: like approach you with humility, not to like deconstruct, but 227 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: just to learn. 228 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 4: And as like. 229 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: As a journalist, it's really important that you hear everybody's perspective. 230 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: And so instead of kind of coming into the conversation 231 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: with like guns blazing, it's like just listen, like take 232 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: an active listening approach. And if you're checked in the 233 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: spirit and you don't like it, cool, but at least 234 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: approach the conversation with ears to hear. And there's so 235 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: many mysteries in the Gospel and so and also God 236 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: speaks very clearly, and so anyway, it's just really healthy 237 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 3: if we get back to a position as the church 238 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: to listen and to come together and be able to 239 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 3: have these tension filled conversations. 240 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I expect people to disagree it's okay. We 241 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 5: invite disagreement in the book, like and there's some because 242 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 5: we talk We talk about the rapture, we talk about tribulation, 243 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 5: we talk about pre trib post trib we talk about 244 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 5: the anti Christ, we talk about all of the things. 245 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 5: And there's so many moments where it's like, hey, if 246 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 5: you disagree, praise God, go look it up, go research, 247 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 5: go pray more, go ask the Lord more, go read 248 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: the Bible more. None of no part of this is 249 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 5: like y'all, Hey, this is this is the truth, and 250 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 5: y'all better just take it and take it as it 251 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 5: is and make that be final. And so we encourage disagreement, 252 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 5: and we know the tons of people that are in 253 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 5: our comments and d ms for the past couple of years. 254 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 5: I have no problem disagreeing, and we welcome. 255 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: It all well. 256 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: And I think the healthy part of this it should 257 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: probe the question why do I believe what I believe 258 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Because I even remember 259 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: when I was in seminary in one of my classes 260 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: when we were learning about you know, and times theology 261 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: specifically regarding you know, the tribulation and the rapture, like 262 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: what's the order of events, What do we believe? And 263 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: I made a whole episode on this, but just to 264 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: even recap that briefly, he was, It's like, well, why 265 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: do you believe what you believe about this? Is it 266 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: because of the media, that's a. 267 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 5: Lot of it? 268 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Is it because you heard when pastor preach this? But 269 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: you never actually read the scriptures for yourself knowing that 270 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: there are you know, four main views that. 271 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: People take on this thing. 272 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: And I think rather than shutting down where we have 273 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: that initial disagreement, we should be probed to ask the question, well, 274 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: why do I believe what I believe? Why do they 275 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: believe what they believe? What does scriptures say? And as 276 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: you said, is this are these the first things like 277 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: on which we all need to agree on as Christians 278 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: in order for salvation? Or is this a secondary or 279 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: a tertiary thing where there is the room to wrestle? 280 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: But still know, like you said, at the end of 281 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: the day, we're holding hands with our neighbors standing next 282 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: to us, even though they might believe something a little 283 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: different than us theologically on the secondary and tertiary thing. 284 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: So I love that you made that point. I'm wondering, though, 285 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: is there like one end Times misconception that you see 286 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: Christians repeating, uh, maybe that you believe like distracts from 287 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: biblical truth, Like is I'm sure that there's gotta be 288 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: one out there where it's like you see this rhetoric 289 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: and it's. 290 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: Like, but does the Bible actually say this? 291 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: Because I'm sure that there are things that we might 292 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: be believing just because of upbringing or popularity or media 293 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: when it's like, but where does the Bible say this 294 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: or what does the Bible actually have to say fully 295 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: about this thing? 296 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 5: So there's I mean, there's a lot of things. 297 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: That stands. 298 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 5: Can we open here, well. 299 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: Maybe whate that's that's relevant to the book. 300 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 5: Maybe I love that. I love that. So let me 301 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 5: ask you. I do that. I'm doing this on purpose. 302 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 5: I'm gonna know you're interview on this one. I'm gonna 303 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 5: ask you a question and well we're gonna do this 304 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 5: in real time. Oh boy. So it's all good. It's 305 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 5: all good. There's no wrong answers, but there is no 306 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 5: I'm kid. So when you when you think about in Times, 307 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 5: let's just say you you know you're hanging out. And 308 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 5: one thing about this book is we wanted it to 309 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 5: feel like a conversation with friends at a coffee shop, 310 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 5: and not a lecture in seminary. You know, it's not 311 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 5: aimed to be this massive, like academic theological thing. Obviously 312 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 5: there is tons of theological things in it, and there 313 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 5: is tons of scripture things in it, but it is 314 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 5: supposed to be a safe space to have this conversation, 315 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 5: so that you can leave with more confidence in the 316 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 5: conversation than when you came. And so if I were 317 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 5: to ask you, we're hanging out at what's your favorite 318 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 5: coffee shop? Lemma, Lemma, let's golem shout out Lemma sponsored 319 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 5: Kirby's podcast. So we're chilling at Lemma, and I'm like, man, Kirby, 320 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 5: this End Time stuff is crazy. Like when you think 321 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 5: about in Times, is there two to three concepts themes 322 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 5: or like things that you think of off top that 323 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 5: like surround the End Times conversation. 324 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: Hmm. 325 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: I would see this is like, this is how I 326 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: would say. I would say, well, what do you mean 327 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: by that? What do you mean by topics and things? 328 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: Because I feel like there's a lot that goes into. 329 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 5: A sky, which is why, which is great, this is 330 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 5: awesome and so and then I would say I'd be like, yeah, 331 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 5: like what happens, Like, what's one thing that happens or 332 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 5: maybe one major part or player in the end times 333 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 5: outside of Jesus of course that you think about. 334 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: Definitely the Antichrist. Okay, definitely the Antichrist. And then based 335 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: on my end Times theology, like I personally and you 336 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: may both disagree with this, I believe the church will 337 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: go through tribulation based off of what I've studied, So 338 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: I would talk about that, I would talk about the 339 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: spirit of the Antichrist versus the person of the anti Christ. Yes, 340 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: just based on my studies, I feel like those would 341 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: be like two major things that I would I love it. 342 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 5: Those are two very great things. And perfectly this example 343 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 5: for starters. We do agree with you as far stribulation 344 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 5: does conversation for another time unless you want to get 345 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 5: into it. Yeah, we have turns of scription for that. 346 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 5: And so your question was like, what thing may be 347 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 5: a misconception? And this is where we think the red 348 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 5: heifer thing comes in. Uh, And just for like context, 349 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 5: if you've heard about the red everything, maybe you haven't. 350 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 5: Long Story Short Numbers nineteen talks about this ritual process 351 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 5: the Jews do for the purification of the temple to 352 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 5: engage in temple worship again. And so our book is 353 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 5: called Holy Cow and has a red heifer on it 354 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 5: on the background, because that is kind of like a 355 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 5: central starter or domino in this. And so regardless of 356 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 5: what end times thing you talk about, for you you 357 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 5: said Antichrist, great. I believe that if you reverse engineer 358 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 5: any aspect of end times and eschatology, you get to 359 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 5: the red heifer. And so I say misconception because when 360 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 5: we mentioned red heifer, oftentimes people are like, well, we 361 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 5: don't need to sacrifice anything. Jesus was the final sacrifice. 362 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 5: Why would we need another sacrifice. That's really dumb. And 363 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 5: we're like, we know that Jesus was the final sacrifice. 364 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 5: We agree with you. These sacrifices for the believer aren't 365 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 5: for salvation. It's for prophetic purposes, not for salvation purposes. 366 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 5: And so once you can separate the two as you 367 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 5: go through this book, it'll make more sense. And so 368 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 5: reverse engineering. So if you have the Antichrist, which scripture 369 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 5: says in different places that it'll stand in God's temple, 370 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 5: it will stand in the holy place, say that I'm God, 371 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 5: do all the things and stop sacrifices. In order for 372 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 5: him to stand in a temple, there has to be 373 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 5: a temple. And so then that's the temple conversation of 374 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 5: do we need a third temple? Do we not? Again, 375 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 5: it's not for salvation, it's for prophecy. And so then 376 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 5: if you reverse the third temple, the domino before that 377 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 5: is the red effort, because in Jewish tradition and Jewish 378 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 5: ritual and Jewish understanding and practice, you can't resume temple 379 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 5: sacrifices or you can't even build the temple until you've 380 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 5: sacrificed a perfect, unblemished red heifer. And so that's why 381 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 5: that's been such a big deal because it acts as 382 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 5: a first domino for a lot of these other events. 383 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 5: If you're talking temple talking, Antichrist talking, Mark of the 384 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 5: Beast talking, the order of talking, you know, the rapture 385 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 5: or harpazo if you want to get technical. And so, yeah, 386 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 5: misconception I think is the red heifer in general. 387 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: I remember even us talking. 388 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: I think it was last year that was that was 389 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: a big thing in Israel that they were looking for 390 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: the end. 391 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: It was supposed that they. 392 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 1: Had found their red heifer. And you're all telling me like, well, 393 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: we might. 394 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: Have to speed up the process of this book if 395 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: this is what happens. 396 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: And so what was that like even for you all 397 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: just knowing that you're writing this book. Meanwhile, life is 398 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: happening and prophecy is being fulfilled, you know, not that 399 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: didn't happen necessarily, but even just like as a culture 400 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: is taking place and you were all writing this book, 401 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: what was that process You've been like, do. 402 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 3: You are you aware that we were in Texas when 403 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: the rabbis came over for the red heifers? No, okay, 404 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: we're okay, give us the story, Okay, So to set 405 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: up the context of this book, which is why we're 406 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 3: even talking about red heifers, in December of twenty twenty one, 407 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 3: rabbis from Jerusalem came to a ranch in Rockwell, Texas. 408 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 4: I remember that, to search for the red heifers. 409 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: We were there, Me Chi Chi and Jason, who's another 410 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 3: one of our podcast hosts and authors were invited. We 411 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: came with cameras like we're going to document this thing. 412 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: And I had no idea like this was the read 413 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: What's what is a red heifer? And so on our 414 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: hour and a half drive I'm asking chi Chi and 415 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 3: Jason questions even in just like thinking of a documentary form. 416 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 4: Like what is the red heff for me? Where is 417 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 4: this in scripture? We're connected to the Jews, Like all 418 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 4: the questions. 419 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: That I think people have, which we talked about in 420 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: this book, we were there and so we didn't just randomly. 421 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 4: Come up with this book. 422 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 3: We were just like in the middle of the selection process. 423 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: And so we were there when the rabbis took the 424 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 3: ranch hand, took one red heifer calf and at a 425 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 3: time to search every hair on his body. If there 426 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: was a blemish, if there was a discolored hair, they 427 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: sent them to the noepin. If they qualified, they sent 428 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 3: them to the yespin. And so this was in twenty 429 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: twenty one, which is what sparked these conversations in general 430 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: of like what are we doing here? 431 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 4: Why are we here? And now we're writing. 432 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 3: A book about the red heifer as it's happening, So yes, 433 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: slight context. 434 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 5: It's it's honestly what sparked the podcast too, ultimately, because 435 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 5: and for the past, for myself and for Jason, for 436 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 5: PJ we call him on the podcast for the past, 437 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 5: him longer than me but for the past twelve or 438 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 5: thirteen years, nearly fifteen years, I've been like reading up 439 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 5: on this thing, studying up. I'd never heard, really people 440 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 5: talk about a red heifer, and so we're having these 441 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 5: conversations understanding like, oh, this is like the first domino 442 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 5: for all this stuff, because before that can happen, this 443 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 5: can happen, and this can happen, and so when this 444 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: and just let me give y'all and it's in the book, 445 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 5: but just like a sneak peek into how awesome this 446 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 5: like red heifer story was and a quick like insight 447 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 5: into what opposition might be in somebody's mind listening. But so, 448 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 5: these rabbis were coming to Texas to look at a 449 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 5: red angus farm for this purpose, and when they were 450 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 5: on their way, the owner of the first ranch had 451 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 5: this moment of realization or figured out I'm not sure 452 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 5: by what means, but figured out why they were coming 453 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 5: to look at it, and was like, that's where I'm 454 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 5: not trying to do any of that. It's like I 455 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 5: don't want nothing to do with that. And so all 456 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 5: of a sudden, there's these rabbis coming and they now 457 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 5: no longer have a place to look, and it's like panic, like, hey, 458 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 5: they're coming from across the world, and for this reason, 459 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 5: what are we gonna do? And then PJ, his dad 460 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 5: is best friends with this guy who's a diamond dealer, 461 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 5: an Israeli diamond dealer ironically, and him and his brother 462 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 5: have a red Angus ranch that over thirty years ago 463 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 5: they bought because they felt like the Lord told them 464 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 5: that they'd be a part of this story, and so 465 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 5: they got this over thirty years ago. And Pj's calling 466 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 5: his dad just to tell him, Man, we don't have 467 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 5: a ranch anymore. It's crazy. Just pray for us. And 468 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 5: his dad is like, do you not know who my 469 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 5: best friends are? And then at the drop of a hat, 470 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 5: calls them and gets this whole thing set up. And 471 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 5: then now we're on this ranch looking and it's it's 472 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 5: wild the whole process. Seven of them were selected, only 473 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 5: five of them kind of made it to Israel and 474 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 5: stayed unblemished and pure. And currently, you know, who knows 475 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 5: what will happened by the time this thing comes out, 476 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 5: but currently there's still two left. And there's been even 477 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 5: buzz last summer or about you know, a practice sacrifice 478 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 5: that happened and there's a crazy story even about that 479 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 5: with the guy who's been orchestrating all of it is 480 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 5: a friend of the podcast, and we actually had him 481 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 5: on and he talked about this practice right after sacrifice 482 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 5: that he's the one that kind of facilitated and helped 483 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 5: rabbis and stuff do and so it's it's it hits 484 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 5: way closer to home than we think. And so it's 485 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 5: been Yeah, it's been a while. 486 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 4: Ride that's insane. 487 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: I didn't realize think y'all were like that, like that deep. 488 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: We have all the pictures in our cell phone of 489 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 3: red heifers and yeah, it's and that's like the whole 490 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: process of from that the podcast of the book like 491 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 3: just weird but amazing because God's not weird, but like 492 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: supernatural occurrences that like we could not have opened this door. Yeah, 493 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: like and so we're just trying to steward this moment 494 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 3: well again and just like lead the church in healthy 495 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 3: dialogue around it. But yeah, it's very it's just it, 496 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, it's wild to think how this happened. 497 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: I feel like it's so God. 498 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like so Christian, it's so God, 499 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: but it really is so God that y'all have been involved, 500 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: like and you've been trusted with this book and to 501 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: talk about these things to be in those spaces. I'm 502 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: just like, that's so God in so many ways. 503 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: I'm wondering. 504 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: I bet that there's people who are listening where it's like, okay, 505 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: they have these two run uppers maybe who are in 506 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: Israel right now. If that happens, isn't just the end 507 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: of the world now and every Christian is gonna get beheaded, 508 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: Like again, more misconceptions about what's gonna happen the end 509 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: of the world, the end times, Like I'm wondering to 510 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: kind of even go back to the beginning where there 511 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: is that panic versus that preparation. What encouragement or hope 512 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: or advice do you want to give listeners today who 513 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: like when maybe they hear that, it sets off an 514 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: alarm bell of like, oh my gosh, we're getting closer, 515 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: Like this is the scariest thing I can imagine happening, 516 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: the end. 517 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 2: Of the world as we know it. 518 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: Just what would you want to say to people maybe 519 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: to provide them with clarity that can give them that 520 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 1: peace about the return of Jesus, Like the culmination of 521 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: like what this is actually all about. 522 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll definitely let Tracy close this aspect because she 523 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 5: I think she does that beautifully. And to your point, 524 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 5: there is this temptation to panic. Yeah, and because I mean, 525 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 5: the Bible has some really crazy, often even gruesome stuff. 526 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 5: You know, we can say, man, I want to be 527 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 5: like Peter, or I want to be like John, or 528 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 5: I want to be like all these Paul and none 529 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 5: of those like these people their lives ended terribly yes, 530 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 5: for the sake of the Gospel. And so when we 531 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 5: say that, like, what does that actually mean? And what 532 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 5: are we preparing our heart for? And at the same time, 533 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 5: we know that we fight from victory and not for it. Ultimately, 534 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 5: as a believer in Jesus, we know how the story ends. 535 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 5: We know that the story ends with us with Him 536 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 5: in glory, without pain, without suffering, without all of these things. 537 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 5: And so even as we navigate this thing, we can 538 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 5: navigate from that mindset and from that perspective that we're 539 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 5: fighting from victory regardless of I'm sure Kirby talked about 540 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 5: this and her potential podcast about tribulation and stuff. Regardless 541 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 5: of how things go and how things and the reality 542 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 5: is there's people right now getting executed for the sake 543 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 5: of the Gospel in different countries. And the Word says 544 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 5: to be absent bodies present with the Lord and to 545 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 5: live as Christ and to die is gain. And so yes, 546 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 5: that is a very weighty reality of a believer. But man, 547 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 5: what an honor and a privilege it is to be 548 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 5: used by God and then to one day join Him 549 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 5: in glory. Like that's incredible. 550 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, I have so much to say. I feel 551 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: like I always get emotional at this point. First of all, 552 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: the fact that God is alive still blows my mind again, 553 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: like being rescued seven years ago, I did not know 554 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,239 Speaker 3: God was real, and so like that alone is just 555 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: like we literally serve a God who is Emmanuel. He 556 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: is with us, He prepares us, he guides us, he 557 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: protects us. And I feel like that's the anchor coming 558 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 3: into this because there will be deception, there will be 559 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: global deception, and that's like where my heart in this 560 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 3: book is like we have to prepare and we have 561 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: to get rooted in scripture, and we have to get 562 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: disciplined in things of like if this is where the 563 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 3: narratives are coming from. 564 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: Alone, of course, we're. 565 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: Going to be confused, like if we're not rooted in 566 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 3: scripture and community when deception comes and guess what it's here, 567 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: Like even. 568 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 4: Just with Ai and social. 569 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 3: Like we are seeing deception just Spike and the church itself. 570 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 4: Can be deceived. And so it's like if. 571 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 3: We can approach this with humility to think that if 572 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: I think I can't ever be deceived, then pride is 573 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: lying to me. 574 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 4: And so if we can just like. 575 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: Always keep our eyes fixed on Jesus no matter what comes, 576 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: whether there's chaos, we get to stand firm on the 577 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 3: word of God and our relationship with Christ. And so 578 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: the encouragement is fall in love with God, like be 579 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 3: obedient to what he says, and if you get convicted away, 580 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 3: like there's this such a beautiful thing to have a 581 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 3: relationship with a real God who speaks to us, who 582 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 3: prepares us, who protects us. 583 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 4: And so I always. 584 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: Say, like, know God, love God, follow Him. 585 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 4: And when all of this stuff starts happening. 586 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: We're going to be rooted and we're going to be 587 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: the light in a really dark world. And the goal 588 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: is to point people to Jesus, right, And like that's 589 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 3: where the encouragement is we're not to walk in fear. 590 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: We have fear because we're human. But this world needs 591 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 3: Jesus and it's gonna get darker, and so why not 592 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: stand in truth and point people to Christ. So anyway, 593 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: God is just so good and he prepares his kids, 594 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 3: and so it's time to be watchmen on the wall. 595 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: It's time to watch and discern and point people to Christ. 596 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 4: We serve a God of clarity. 597 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 598 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: I think for the people today who might have that confusion, 599 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: I get it. Sometimes reading the Bible, it's like, what 600 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: are they talking about here? Ye? John writing down this 601 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: vision was probably like what is going on? Doing its 602 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: best to describe everything he's seeing? 603 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 5: Right, But. 604 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: Where we have those questions, we can boldly bring them 605 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: to the Lord, trusting that he will give us clarity. 606 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: But where he does not give us that clarity and understanding, he. 607 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: Will give us peace. He will give us peace. 608 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: He will embolden his church to stand firm and stand 609 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: up for what is true, just like you said, Tracy, 610 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: And what he said was beautiful, to stand. 611 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 2: Firm for what is true because in the end it's 612 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: already one. God has prevailed. That's the cross point. 613 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: Like period, these are the things that are to come, 614 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: but we can hold firmly to the hope of Jesus Christ. 615 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: And I love that at its very center. That is 616 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: what your book focuses on, which I think is beautiful. 617 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: And if anyone who is listening today is interested in 618 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: grabbing their book. 619 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: It's available now, you can get it. 620 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm assuming anywhere and everywhere where can people grab your 621 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: book today? And where can people also listen to your 622 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: podcast because I'm sure they would benefit from the different 623 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: guests and perspectives and conversations that y'all are having on 624 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: there as well. 625 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean book will be available everywhere you get books. Amazon, 626 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 5: leave a review a nice one, please, Amazon, Bonds and 627 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 5: Nobles target all the things, and so make sure you 628 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 5: get that. And you can listen to the podcast and 629 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 5: it's just Faith and Friction on YouTube and on Spotify 630 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 5: and anywhere you listen or watch podcasts. And yeah, dig 631 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 5: into the book with your Bible, invite the Holy Spirit 632 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 5: to navigate these things with you. And just for a 633 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 5: quick table of contents thing to maybe get you excited 634 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 5: about what's in the book. We talk about obviously the 635 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 5: Red Half for stuff, we talk about Israel and Jewish people. 636 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 5: Where do they fall in? How do they fit into 637 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 5: this equation? How should the church perceive that whole conversation? 638 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 5: Third Temple Anti Christ tribulation. We unpacked the book of 639 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 5: Daniel that talks about prophecy, and if Daniel was able 640 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 5: to prophesy Jesus's first coming, shouldn't we acknowledge and trust 641 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 5: and be confident in what prophecy in his book says 642 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 5: about Jesus returning. And we talk about tribulation and then 643 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 5: we give really practical things at the end as well, 644 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 5: with just prayers and insight that helps you, Hey, this 645 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 5: is how you can navigate this. Think about this, like, 646 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 5: what do you do now now that you feel more 647 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 5: confident in all this information and things? And so we 648 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 5: just pray that you're confident in this end times conversation 649 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 5: and that when these headlines continue to shock the world, 650 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 5: that you would look at these headlines and say, wait 651 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 5: a minute, I know where this is in scripture, and 652 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 5: I know how to have this conversation with the people 653 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 5: that God's trusted me with and surrounding me with. 654 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: And so that's awesome. Well, y'all need to grab that book. 655 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: If one of those topics didn't stand out to you, 656 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: then I don't know what will. Because that is very 657 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: interesting and relevant stuff that I feel like we need 658 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: to have language behind us the church, especially in our 659 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: own evangelism and our own understanding of the scriptures and 660 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: like you said, navigating a culture that is also full 661 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: of deception. So check out their book. I will link 662 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: that down below. I will link their podcast down below. 663 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: I will also link that episode I told you all 664 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: about where I talk about just my own eschatology. 665 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 4: If you are interested in that and just break. 666 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: Down with that. 667 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 2: Hey, it'll be linked. It is already out. 668 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: It's already out, So just for context for everyone, we're 669 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: recording this episode months in advance because, as you all know, 670 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: I'm literally pushing out a baby this month by the 671 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: time this episode goes live, which is insane amazing. 672 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: So that episode's been out. We all can go watch that. 673 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: But thank y'all for being here. First of all, Tracy 674 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: and Chi Chi, thank y'all for taking the time to 675 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: be on here. 676 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 2: Thank you and writing the book. 677 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 4: I love you, friend, True, And. 678 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: To all of you who tuned in today, whether you 679 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,479 Speaker 1: are listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or you're watching 680 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: on YouTube. I hope that this was just beneficial to you. 681 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: Send this to someone because I'm sure that you probably 682 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: know one doomsday prepper Christian who's hiding in their. 683 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 2: Bunker when it's like a get out and spread the 684 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 2: word UH and don't live in fear. So send them 685 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 2: this episode MA. 686 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: Maybe even send them the book. 687 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 2: They could probably use it too. 688 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: But I love you, guys, and I'll see you here 689 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: next week for another episode on the Bottom Beloved Podcast. 690 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 2: Bye. 691 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: For more life giving, faith based podcast just like this one, 692 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: check out life audio dot com, a proud partner of 693 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: the Bottom Beloved Podcast