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Speaker 2: I have a couple points that I want to talk about.

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Speaker 2: In illegal immigration, Is it okay if I write if

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Speaker 2: I say all of them with no interruptions, okay, cool. So, first,

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrants power our economy. They're fifty percent of US

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Speaker 2: farm workers, harvesting the food on our tables, and fill

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Speaker 2: seventy percent of construction jobs and stays like Texas. They

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Speaker 2: pay thirteen billion annually in taxes, including two billion to

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Speaker 2: Social Security that they can't claim. Deporting them would slash

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Speaker 2: agriculture output by sixty billion and raise food prices by

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Speaker 2: six percent. Why gut our farms and wallets when these

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Speaker 2: workers fuel our prosperity. That's my first point. Second point,

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Speaker 2: they strengthen our communities with lower crime rates. So in

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Speaker 2: Texas undocumented undocumented immigrants have a twenty six lower percent

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand versus three for native born citizens. Nationally,

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Speaker 2: immigrants are incarcerated at half the rate of native born,

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Speaker 2: from twenty nineteen. So if safety is your goal, why

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Speaker 2: third point. Mass deportation tears apart American families. Over four

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Speaker 2: is a fiscal nightmare. Removing eleven million people would cost

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Speaker 2: my last point. Our immigration system is broken, pushing people

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Speaker 1: So without looking at the phone, look at me. What

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Speaker 2: I think there should be a system where it's more

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Speaker 2: A felony if it's done twice, try to correct that's correct.

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Speaker 1: That's not correct. It's like to illegally go across the

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Speaker 2: Well, in my opinion, these kinds of like laws are

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Speaker 2: Usually there's there's three ways that go about this. When

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Speaker 2: No, of course, not, of course not so, of course

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Speaker 2: it makes sense for them when they're here, they're breaking

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Speaker 2: so once they're here, once they are here, what kind

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Speaker 1: Okay, black wages of gown do UIs have gone up? Dramatic? Dramatic.

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Speaker 1: Is any is any crime? It's just not correct. But

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Speaker 2: Okay, once they are here? What kind of crimes are

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Speaker 1: Well there, Do you know the name Lake and Riley?

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Speaker 1: of Georgia. On a second, every person who is killed

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Speaker 1: to mention, a lot of people that cross on the

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Speaker 1: final question I'll have is should a government serve its

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course. Well, okay, there's many There's

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Speaker 1: Oh is it? Well, hold on, let's think about that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, it's legal, not illegal. But was America

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Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, because the political leaders have said that this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're wrong.

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Speaker 2: They're wrong. Political leaders are wrong. George W. Bush is

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Speaker 2: When immigrants may, I just may grow the economy.

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Speaker 1: Statistically, allow me again, allow me to build it out

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Speaker 2: Well, the argument is that they're cutting in line. Like

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Speaker 1: And by way, no one has a right to come

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Speaker 2: Okay, So where where's the So that's a gray area.

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Speaker 2: A study that was done in Texas, the most diverse

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Speaker 1: Crime and illegal commits is one that should never have happened, period.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Charlie, great to meet you. Thank you for letting

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Speaker 6: me speak in your platform. First of all, I really

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Speaker 6: disagree with you in a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: Be respectful, guys, it's fine. Part of what makes America

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Speaker 1: a great country.

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Speaker 6: It does, it does, America is a great country. But

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Speaker 6: I don't like your T shirt.

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Speaker 1: Eh.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna get started by saying, I'm an immigrant, and well,

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Speaker 6: I don't understand why you would want to deport all

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Speaker 6: like some of my friends and family who have been

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Speaker 6: working hard in this country and that like they're being

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Speaker 6: persecuted right now. So I just I don't get the

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Speaker 6: whole process of it, and it feels like I'm being

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Speaker 6: discriminated against even though I'm here through legal means. But

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Speaker 6: just can you please give me an answer for that?

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Speaker 6: And before that, if like, let's say, if I would

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Speaker 6: come up here and say, like, I'm an illegal immigrant

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Speaker 6: and I'm here trying to debate you, would you call ice?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Tom Hollman would probably see the video and

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Speaker 1: you'd probably go back to your true country. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's that's how it works, right, But let

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Speaker 1: me just ask you a question. What is the fair

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Speaker 1: way of country in your ideal? You're king? What's your name? Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm Claudio, sir, Yeah, Claudia. And this is just the

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Speaker 1: thought exercise, but it's very revealing. You are king and

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Speaker 1: you find out that there are thirty million uninvited people

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Speaker 1: in your country. What do you do with them?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 6: In this case, I try to find the most humane

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Speaker 6: way of sending him back to a country. But first

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Speaker 6: of all, I want to.

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Speaker 1: Say, that's what we're doing. Wait, let me just let

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Speaker 1: me just say something. That's what we're doing. Let me

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Speaker 1: just say, Claudi long living.

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Speaker 6: I'm not a I'm not I'm not a dictator at all.

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Speaker 1: But of course it's a helpful thought.

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Speaker 6: I get it yet it And all I'm saying is

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Speaker 6: you were talking about like in the past couple of

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Speaker 6: people that came up here, like America first trying to

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Speaker 6: get like the best for our country and like increasing

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Speaker 6: the productivity and getting us to be like the best

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Speaker 6: country possible, which I agree, Like, I love this country,

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Speaker 6: but a lot of this country is built on like

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Speaker 6: illegal immigrant labor, and it's it's definitely like a bad means,

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Speaker 6: but it's been a good result somehow. Like I'm sure

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Speaker 6: you know, people like you have friends from like home

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Speaker 6: that own businesses that employ these types of people that

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Speaker 6: are very productive and very very honest and just hard

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Speaker 6: working trying to get a better life. And a lot

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Speaker 6: of those people are very close to me. So it's

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Speaker 6: just a very heartbreaking situation for me. But I understand.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, But I mean, and you gave the answer

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Speaker 1: if you were in charge. I guess this is another

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Speaker 1: important question. What should the punishment be then if you

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Speaker 1: break into somebody else's country uninvited and stay there without welcome.

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Speaker 6: Well, I really I don't know what the punishment should be.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer. No, No, that's okay, I'm just asking Jen,

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Speaker 1: it's totally Yeah. Here's our position is that it is

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Speaker 1: against federal law to come into America. Right, You're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to come into the country without you know, without

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Speaker 1: invite So that's against the law. So if we can

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Speaker 1: do one of two things, and there really isn't there's

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Speaker 1: very little in the middle. There's some nuance, but we

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Speaker 1: can say we are not going to enforce the law

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Speaker 1: because you know, we're just going to say that doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: or we could say, look, the law is blind, and

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Speaker 1: when you break the law must apply to all people. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think you're a little different because I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to loop in. So what country did you emigrate from?

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Speaker 6: Are you going to like discriminate against them?

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Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm gonna do the opposite. Actually, yeah, what

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Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm Mexican. Okay, fine, but you came here legally,

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Speaker 1: correct I did? So?

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Speaker 6: Okay, great, Well, if I didn't, you'd be calling the police.

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Speaker 1: No, but it's not a racial thing. If you were,

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Speaker 1: if you were Polish and you overstate a visa, then

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Speaker 1: you should be But hold on, you followed the rules,

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Speaker 1: so you're exempt. The people that you know didn't follow

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Speaker 1: the rules.

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Speaker 4: True.

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Speaker 1: So I divide America not into Mexican and white and

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Speaker 1: Hispanic and white, into rule follower and rule breaker. And

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Speaker 1: so when someone breaks our rules, there must be justice done.

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Speaker 1: There must be a punishment, and the most humane way

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Speaker 1: is you go back to your country of origin. We'll

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Speaker 1: do it humanly, we'll do it correctly. But if you

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Speaker 1: are not invited into a home, into a dorm room,

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Speaker 1: into a living room, the standard applies to entire country. Now,

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Speaker 1: to your point, you might be right, there might be

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Speaker 1: some economic disruption. However, you know what happens if you

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Speaker 1: have economic disruption in the laborpool. Wages are going to

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Speaker 1: go up, and you guys are going to see your

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Speaker 1: wages go on.

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Speaker 6: Who is going to occupy those jobs?

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Speaker 1: So this is a little bit insulting. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you mean it this way that illegal immigrants are nothing

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Speaker 1: more than just kind of like the not on these people.

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Speaker 1: I'm even defending. I don't think you mean it this way.

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Speaker 1: But broadly, when we talk about immigration, there's a talking

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Speaker 1: about like, well, who's gonna pick your grapefruits? And like

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Speaker 1: who's gonna serve you Chipotle? You've probably heard this before,

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Speaker 1: right I have, Yeah, who's going to clean your hotel room?

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Speaker 7: In?

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Speaker 1: But hold on embedded in that is kind of a

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Speaker 1: really derogatory that's like they're kind of just like a

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Speaker 1: permanent surf class here to serve us. I think that's

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Speaker 1: like really creepy and weird. Actually, these are human beings.

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Speaker 1: They're more than just kind of economic utility.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: No, but like in the in the history of the

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Speaker 6: of the US, like we've heard, we've first had like

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Speaker 6: the Italian and Polish immigrants, and they first served those

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Speaker 6: jobs and then they became like economically sufficient and they

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Speaker 6: were welcomed. True, and they but it was a different

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Speaker 6: time in history, like of course.

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Speaker 1: But I suppose the broader question is one of justice,

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Speaker 1: which is that to what should a country do when

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Speaker 1: your sovereignty has been so massively violated for a long

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Speaker 1: period of time and a country seeks to be a

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Speaker 1: country becomes something else, It becomes a colony, or it

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Speaker 1: becomes just kind of a random area. If a country

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Speaker 1: does not have loyalty to its own people, and if

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Speaker 1: it has loyalty to foreigners or to an oligarchy, it

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Speaker 1: ceases to be a country. So it's not the most

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Speaker 1: popular argument. Actually the American people voted for it, and

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Speaker 1: it sounds cruel, but it's very simple. It's like, look,

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Speaker 1: this not against any of you personally, but you have

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Speaker 1: to have the law be the first and last ushering

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Speaker 1: of what a government does in this situation. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, what I was saying about you, I'm getting

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Speaker 1: back to you. You deserve to be applauded because you

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Speaker 1: guys followed the rules, and it's not fair to people

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Speaker 1: like you who followed the rules to all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden have line cutters. Here's the equivalent. You guys waited

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Speaker 1: in line, like well two and a half hours to

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Speaker 1: go get a meal at a restaurant and someone shows

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Speaker 1: up and just cuts in line? What was the first

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Speaker 1: thing you would say? That's not fair, and you would

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Speaker 1: be right, And the same with immigration.

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Speaker 6: Please yeah, wait, let me just like add a layer

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Speaker 6: to this and then I'm probably done. But like let's

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Speaker 6: say that the people that's cutting like in front of line,

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Speaker 6: like that's like like some of my boys like that.

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Speaker 6: I know that they're being like persecuted, like back home,

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Speaker 6: them and their family is like they're like in like

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Speaker 6: drug related like wars and violence, and the only way out,

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Speaker 6: like the only way they're not gonna die or like

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Speaker 6: suffer a very bad faid is if they escape and

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Speaker 6: they break the am mayor in law. But that's the

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Speaker 6: only way they're going to survive.

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Speaker 1: So like, hold on, hold on two thoughts on this

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Speaker 1: number one. If that is correct, we have a special

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Speaker 1: asylum status that they could seek legally at a port

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Speaker 1: of entry, that they could go through whole processes.

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Speaker 6: But if they're being persecuted, don't they not deserve But

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Speaker 6: wouldn't be justified to cut the line.

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Speaker 1: No. Secondly, well, it might be justified in their mind,

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Speaker 1: but it's not justified in the rule administer's mind to

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Speaker 1: make exception for it. But let me just let me

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Speaker 1: make a more important point though, if we all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden say that if you have a lot of

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Speaker 1: gang violence and issues, I mean, like we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of gang violence and issues, like what are we

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Speaker 1: talking about here, Like we were a more dangerous country

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Speaker 1: than half of the Central American countries. We're far more

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Speaker 1: dangerous than El Salvador. And could we could make an

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Speaker 1: example if that is the criteria, like all of South

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Speaker 1: America should be allowed into America basically, I mean the

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Speaker 1: idea is that at some point you have almost no

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Speaker 1: standard whatsoever. And instead, here's my perspective, we should empower

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Speaker 1: those people to go fix their own country. We should

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Speaker 1: empower them to go make El Salvador great again, which

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Speaker 1: there's a great country now, okay in Nicaragua, Honduras, Yes,

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Speaker 1: please find so.

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Speaker 6: Wouldn't like a good way to start is like trying

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Speaker 6: to lower the demand for drugs in America because a

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Speaker 6: lot of the drugs that are like being produced and

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Speaker 6: being thought over in South America are going to be

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Speaker 6: supplied to the US for American consumers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so how would you recommend lowering demand?

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Speaker 6: I have no idea, like what would you do?

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Speaker 1: Or like, I don't know. I mean demand and supply

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Speaker 1: are two different issues, right, I mean the first part

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Speaker 1: of demand is that way too many people get into it.

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Speaker 1: Talk to my earlier point, They get into a thought

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Speaker 1: pattern that substances are going to bring me flourishing, which

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Speaker 1: I think is wrong. But yes, I think the Look,

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Speaker 1: the drug cartels are richer than ever before, and we

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Speaker 1: have more drugs legalized than anytime last forty years, so

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Speaker 1: something doesn't fit. So obviously drug legalization is not impoverishing them.

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Speaker 1: The biggest way though, that we stop these third world

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Speaker 1: countries from being you know, tinpot despotic dictatorships, is we

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Speaker 1: have to stop subsidizing their oligarchy through foreign aid. And then, yes,

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Speaker 1: you're right, the Chinese Communist Party is pumping tons of

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Speaker 1: money into these countries. But finally, and I know this

644
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Speaker 1: sounds a little bit cruel, is that I care far

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Speaker 1: more about the suffering of Americans than the suffering of

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Speaker 1: other people's countries first, and you have to you have

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Speaker 1: to look after your own people. You have to draw

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Speaker 1: the line. And it's the old adage, right guys. If

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Speaker 1: your plane is going down, what do they tell you

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Speaker 1: to do? First? You put your mask on first, and

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Speaker 1: then the mask on the person that might not be

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Speaker 1: able to put a mask on, an infant or someone

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Speaker 1: that might be infirmed. It's the same way as a country.

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Speaker 7: I think that the anti immigration rhetoric you have is

677
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Speaker 7: not new. I think that you try to paint a

678
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Speaker 7: picture of it being this current phenomenon that we're facing.

679
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Speaker 7: But there's been rhetoric from your side from for a

680
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Speaker 7: long time, throughout the entirety of history. I mean, if

681
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Speaker 7: we look at the immigration policies in the US, even

682
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Speaker 7: though Chinese immigrants built the entire Western Railroad, there was

683
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Speaker 7: still the exclusion Act because they were providing insane value

684
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Speaker 7: to the United States. But we still had these exclusion

685
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Speaker 7: acts because of xenophobic attitudes. And so this is not

686
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Speaker 7: this is not a novel idea that you know immigrants

687
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Speaker 7: are bad for the country. So I'm interested in why

688
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Speaker 7: you think that all of a sudden we need to

689
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Speaker 7: change the way the United States works well.

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Speaker 1: First of all, immigration has gone in great influxes. We

691
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Speaker 1: basically turned off all immigration in nineteen forties and fifties.

692
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Speaker 1: We had like net zero immigration for almost fifteen years.

693
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Speaker 1: Most people don't even know that. So we had Ellis

694
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Speaker 1: Island in the early nineteen hundreds, and then we turned

695
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Speaker 1: on the guzzle of immigration. But let's be honest, for

696
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Speaker 1: forty years, we have tried this mass immigration project for

697
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Speaker 1: the last forty years. Has it worked? Are we are

698
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Speaker 1: we a more connected country? Have middle class wages kept up?

699
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Speaker 1: Are look at the material data? Has immigration enriched the

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Speaker 1: well being of the United States of America, especially the

701
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Speaker 1: last five or six years. I would say, of course not. Actually,

702
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Speaker 1: we're more to We're more factious. And we see this

703
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Speaker 1: in almost every European country as well. When you import

704
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people that don't speak your language, that

705
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Speaker 1: are from the Third World, all of a sudden, you

706
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Speaker 1: have mass destabilization happening in your country. It's not a

707
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Speaker 1: matter of being xenophobic. Instead, it's a matter of being

708
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Speaker 1: patriotic to your own country and your own citizens. It's

709
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Speaker 1: not about hating the foreigner. It's about loving the citizen,

710
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Speaker 1: and your obligation is always to citizens first, not foreigners.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so you don't think that the MAGA movement has

712
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Speaker 7: led to xenophobic attitudes at all.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to answer that. I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: why not? Well, because you have to first define what

715
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Speaker 1: you mean by xenophotic ab attitude.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, just like you said, you said, I mean,

717
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Speaker 7: we're living in a divided world. You don't think that

718
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Speaker 7: comes from people being anti immigration?

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's the opposite. I think when you

720
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Speaker 1: allow a bunch of people that aren't native born Americans

721
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Speaker 1: too quickly, with no checks, no background, no idea who

722
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Speaker 1: they are, and flood them into your towns. Definitionally, diversity

723
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Speaker 1: is not a strength when it comes to local community ties.

724
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Speaker 5: If you don't use it.

725
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Speaker 7: If you don't use it, I don't know that you're

726
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Speaker 7: committed to finding its strength.

727
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Speaker 1: Hold on, No, explain this to me. This is a

728
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Speaker 1: good question. What country has ever grown stronger the more

729
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Speaker 1: divided it's been.

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Speaker 5: None?

731
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Speaker 7: But I'm not saying that's the point.

732
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, But but diversity definitionally will divide you. Unity unit

733
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Speaker 1: unifies you. You knowice They never say unity is our strength,

734
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Speaker 1: they say, diversity is our strength. In fact, just so

735
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Speaker 1: we are clear, there is nothing racist or xenophobic to

736
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Speaker 1: say that you want your kids to be around people

737
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Speaker 1: that speak English. There's nothing racist to say that it

738
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Speaker 1: actually means that you want to be able to communicate

739
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Speaker 1: with your neighbor. There's nothing racist and xenophobic to say,

740
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Speaker 1: for example, we don't want to import people from a

741
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Speaker 1: far off, distant land that don't share Western values, that

742
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Speaker 1: don't treat women the same, that don't have the same

743
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Speaker 1: respect for freedom of speech. So what we see is

744
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Speaker 1: the unraveling of the United States of America. Because a

745
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Speaker 1: country is is again just like doubtedly it is the

746
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Speaker 1: people that inhabit it, So you have to be very

747
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Speaker 1: careful what people you allow into your country.

748
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Speaker 7: Sure, but I think that what you're talking about, this

749
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Speaker 7: like mass shift in American culture is like not happening.

750
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Speaker 5: I think you're fear mongering.

751
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Speaker 7: And also I think that the United States forever has

752
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Speaker 7: been a mix of culture. I don't really know like

753
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Speaker 7: where you can point to a time in the US

754
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Speaker 7: history that hasn't included immigrants in its culture.

755
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Speaker 1: And from the twenties to the nineteen twenties and nineteen sixties.

756
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Speaker 1: We had very little immigration in this country in nearly

757
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Speaker 1: forty years. In fact, that is what largely led to

758
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Speaker 1: us becoming a world superpower in the nineteen fifties, is

759
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Speaker 1: we've felt that we.

760
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Speaker 7: Had the Brassero program back then, where we brought in

761
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Speaker 7: tons of labors from the from Mexico to the United

762
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Speaker 7: States to work in agricultural and that's how we fed

763
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Speaker 7: the United States.

764
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Speaker 1: So again that was such, it was very limited in

765
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Speaker 1: scope versus what we see today. But again I will

766
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Speaker 1: ask a more moral question. Does a politician have first

767
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Speaker 1: loyalty to its own citizens or to another country citizens?

768
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm glad you brought this because I wanted to

769
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Speaker 7: circle back to my original question about the United States

770
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Speaker 7: creating instability and the rest of the world. I do

771
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Speaker 7: think that every single politician, like let's say I'm the

772
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister of South Africa, you know my.

773
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Speaker 1: Mind, is an incredibly anti white country, like, oh my goodness, anyway,

774
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Speaker 1: dangerously anti white.

775
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Speaker 5: Okay, anyway, do.

776
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Speaker 1: You know about that? By the way, you should apartheid, yes,

777
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Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no no. It's like they're killing

778
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Speaker 1: white people in the streets in South Africa. They're stealing

779
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Speaker 1: farmland and do you if you don't know about that?

780
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Speaker 1: That shows how the media is lined to all of you.

781
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Speaker 1: It is literally a mini white genocide happening in South

782
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Speaker 1: Africa right now.

783
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Speaker 5: But I don't think that we should.

784
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Speaker 1: No, it's fine you brought up South Africa, not me,

785
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Speaker 1: but yes, that was just an example.

786
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Speaker 7: Anyway, let's stay on topic. So let's say I'm the

787
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Speaker 7: prime misiss for the country. I do agree with you

788
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Speaker 7: that my first job is that country, for sure, That's

789
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Speaker 7: who I'm leading. But considering the United States has created

790
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Speaker 7: mass violence, instability, and poverty around the world, you don't

791
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Speaker 7: think that we have some sort of obligations of the

792
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Speaker 7: people who then have to flee from that.

793
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Speaker 1: No, why not hold on? Uh well, why not define

794
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Speaker 1: your terms? Where where have we created mass stability? Oh,

795
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Speaker 1: grant you a raq that was a disaster?

796
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Speaker 7: Where else in all of Latin America, in different countries,

797
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Speaker 7: in Africa, places out like the Philippines that we colonize,

798
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Speaker 7: Puerto Rico.

799
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, of course, I am always so interested

800
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Speaker 1: in this as if it's like you can never blame

801
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Speaker 1: those countries for not having their act together. It's somehow

802
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Speaker 1: America's fault, like, oh, it's America's fault that Nicaragua can't

803
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Speaker 1: get its act together. It's America's fault, even though we

804
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Speaker 1: welcome Puerto Rico to become US citizens, like we've colonized them.

805
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Speaker 1: So here's the paradox.

806
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Speaker 5: You don't think that Puerto Rico is colonized?

807
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm saying though, so if we don't

808
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Speaker 1: help Puerto Rico were evil when they become a territory.

809
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Speaker 1: We colonize them, and we haven't done enough. It's like,

810
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: which one is it? Exactly?

811
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Speaker 7: So, the Puerto Rico was taken from the Spanish as

812
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Speaker 7: a colony and used as a sugar farm for years,

813
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Speaker 7: where the workers were paid less than a dollar per

814
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Speaker 7: day to create sugar for the United States. And it's

815
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Speaker 7: not really about statehood or independence. It's about letting Puerto

816
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Speaker 7: Rico decide that for themselves. And anyway, this isn't about.

817
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Speaker 1: Port No, it's fine, but more broadly, and I'll get

818
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Speaker 1: to the final a couple final questions here. I can

819
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Speaker 1: sense that your problem is that like America is super

820
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Speaker 1: successful and these other countries aren't. And foundationally it's rooted

821
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Speaker 1: in envy bitterness and resentment because we are the world's superpower.

822
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Speaker 1: It's not because we've held anybody back. It's because we've

823
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Speaker 1: had incredible people, really good ideas.

824
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Speaker 7: The US has intervened in a negative other countries at times.

825
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Speaker 1: Yes, at times we've intervened very favorably. We can you

826
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Speaker 1: at least acknowledge at times that there has.

827
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Speaker 5: Been aid, but there's also been no.

828
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Speaker 1: Not just aid. South Korea exists because of American involvement.

829
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Speaker 1: Kuwait exists because of American involvement. It's not it's not so.

830
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Speaker 7: But but to to look at American accountability, you have

831
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Speaker 7: to look the whole of that accountability. And to say

832
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Speaker 7: that certain countries are less developed purely on their own

833
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Speaker 7: fault is to ignore them.

834
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Speaker 1: No, I can so that that's where we disagree. Countries

835
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Speaker 1: have to take responsibility for their own future, which again,

836
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Speaker 1: this is one of the reasons why so many people

837
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Speaker 1: hate Israel. Every other country around there is like a

838
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: third world country, and Israel is super successful and super agenic,

839
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Speaker 1: and they're able to be like one of the wealthiest

840
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: countries on the planet. You gotta wonder, what is it

841
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: that they're doing. Oh, it's the Jews. Because they're stealing

842
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: all this money. No, actually, they like work super hard

843
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Speaker 1: and they don't believe in Islam, and they meant like wow.

844
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Speaker 1: And the one place that you've ever been to those countries, Yeah,

845
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Speaker 1: actually I have been to Israel, and I've been to

846
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Speaker 1: the Palestinian Authority. I've been to that. I've been to

847
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Speaker 1: the West Bank. I've actually visited it. Even if I hadn't,

848
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Speaker 1: that does mean what I'm saying is wrong. Just for

849
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Speaker 1: the record, by the way, I encourage you to try

850
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Speaker 1: to go to Lebanon or Syria, not exactly the four

851
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Speaker 1: seasons right, So not.

852
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Speaker 5: Great that US intervention has anything to do with.

853
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: That, partially, But again, to blame the evil US intervene

854
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: invention for every single problem is at its core intellectually sloppy.

855
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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

856
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 7: Because the United States has two times the military of

857
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Speaker 7: the rest of the world, and it has been in

858
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Speaker 7: our DNA to intervene in a military way in other countries.

859
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Speaker 5: So to say, I mean you, I know you believe it.

860
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Speaker 1: So I want to try to square this all the

861
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Speaker 1: other that I gotta get other questions. Just make sure

862
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Speaker 1: I'm clear. So you're mad at America for getting involved

863
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: in other people's countries, right, So America is bad for that,

864
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Speaker 1: But then you want everyone to come to America. I

865
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Speaker 1: thought America's bad.

866
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Speaker 7: I'm saying that the United States needs to be held accountable.

867
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Speaker 7: You can't meddle it.

868
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Speaker 1: So we're held accountab by inviting the entire world here.

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Speaker 5: If you are going to mess up that country, you

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Speaker 5: have to do.

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Speaker 1: Something about it, or do something invite them here.

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Speaker 5: Maybe if you're the reason that they have to leave.

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Speaker 1: No, right, then that that at its core. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you articulated it is neo conservatism, which is invade the world,

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Speaker 1: invite the world, which is that you don't support the

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Speaker 1: invasion part of it, but somehow we have to invite

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Speaker 1: the world is some sort of like mass penance.

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Speaker 5: So but that's like you and then say, oh no.

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Speaker 1: I don't support the invasions. I'm just I think you

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Speaker 1: are overly ascribing fault to the United States of America,

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Speaker 1: when in reality it's these own broken countries that cannot

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Speaker 1: get their own act together. A great example is this,

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Speaker 1: and I'll close this. El Salvador is actually safer than America,

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Speaker 1: that has billions of dollars pulling in El Salvador. Why

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Speaker 1: because they elected bucel who decided to go after MS

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Speaker 1: thirteen and clean up the streets of El Salvador. Which

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Speaker 1: again it wasn't It was because they decided to do

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Speaker 1: good things with massive action. Countries can be wealthy. Singapore

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Speaker 1: is wealthy. You could be a very wealthy country if

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Speaker 1: you embrace Western market ideas private property with low crime.

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Speaker 1: And it's not always.

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Speaker 7: I mean, in the case of El Salvador, the United

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Speaker 7: States was the reason that the country broke down into

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Speaker 7: gang warfare.

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Speaker 5: And now if you look at the way they were

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Speaker 5: able to.

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Speaker 7: Turn around, they had to declare it's of emergency just

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Speaker 7: to be able to turn things around.

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Speaker 1: It's just like this is where we're different. And then

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Speaker 1: I'll close. Then we have to get going. I look

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Speaker 1: at America as a force for good. You look at

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Speaker 1: everything wrong and you say it must be America.

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Speaker 5: No, sir, I'm.

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Speaker 7: Looking at bad things that they have done and calling

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Speaker 7: for accountability.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I again, I maybe we disagree.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I guess I think we're a wonderful country. And I

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Speaker 1: think of a country as poor. They're poor by choice,

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Speaker 1: and they have to be able to get their act together.

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Speaker 1: Make better decisions and stop acting like victims all the time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

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