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Speaker 1: You're protesting against war in the Middle East. You think

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Speaker 1: America and Israel started this conflict in Iran? Ask someone

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Speaker 1: who's lived under terrorist rule for nearly fifty years. My

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Speaker 1: guest was arrested by the IRGC. They tried to kill him.

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Speaker 1: He had to run for his life. Let him tell

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Speaker 1: you what war is like. Meddie, Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me here. It's really lovely to have you

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell me.

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Speaker 2: Your story as it started for I don't know you

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Speaker 2: heard about the Green movement or no, anyway, it's got

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Speaker 2: very bad. And then O God listed by the regime

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Speaker 2: and I went. That took me to the jail. So

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Speaker 2: I tried to kill me two times and then and

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Speaker 2: then I got a lot of torching in the in

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Speaker 2: and my my my father helped me to escape the country.

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Speaker 2: So I went to all the way from Iran to Turkey.

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Speaker 4: I walked to the on the border.

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Speaker 2: It takes me twelve days under dessert and Martin to

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Speaker 2: walk in all the way to Turkey. And then when

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Speaker 2: I arrived to Turkey, I was supposed to see the

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Speaker 2: person to help me to take me to the England.

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Speaker 2: And then but unfortunately that person when it comes to

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Speaker 2: see me. By the way, they booked the hostel for

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Speaker 2: me for only three days. And when the person come

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Speaker 4: He he.

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Speaker 2: Wants me to give him twenty taels dollars American dollars

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Speaker 2: money that I had a disorders, only nearly fifteen thousand.

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Speaker 2: But and then he told me that I have to

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Speaker 2: pay him all the money before.

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Speaker 4: He started the journey. But I didn't have enough money.

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Speaker 2: I told him I only got fifteen thousand, but he

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Speaker 4: But I'm going to help you.

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Speaker 2: So I told him I'm happy to pay you half

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Speaker 2: he said to me, I'm not going to do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do half half. So anyway, I

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Speaker 2: and he told me that he would come to tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: So unfortunately he never can and my money gone, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know anyone there and when and by the way,

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Speaker 2: when I get to Turkey, I went to very small

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Speaker 2: They booked me for the Hospel. After three days they

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Speaker 2: didn't have money, I didn't have passport, I didn't have

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Speaker 3: And let's go back to that medi Yeah, to that.

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Speaker 3: So when did you get arrested?

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Speaker 1: You you were someone who was speaking out against the regime.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct? When the revolution happened in the Green movement?

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Speaker 2: So my job was I was organized for the small group.

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Speaker 2: I was organizing the protests, where, what time and how

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Speaker 2: to happen. It wasn't luck today, you know like a

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Speaker 4: I was scared.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they're going to do with me.

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Speaker 2: So I had a very very bad time in.

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Speaker 4: The jail because they were talking me.

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Speaker 2: And then I've got a lot of damages in my

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Speaker 3: Can you give us some examples, And I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: I know it must be horrific, but what I want

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Speaker 2: Are like, for example, with the sharp thing they will

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Speaker 2: Because and they asked me for the more name, and

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Speaker 4: So it was very very difficult time. And I went

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Speaker 2: Out they give me the the as punishment. That's what

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Speaker 2: they do to most of people like that. And then

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Speaker 2: the time I was in the jai. By the way,

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Speaker 2: you know in regime, what they're doing, they're not usually

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Speaker 2: hanging everyone, and they killing people in an easy way too,

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Speaker 2: like for example, like killing people on their street and

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Speaker 2: then but the one time they did to me and

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Speaker 2: know how long I was in the comma, but I

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Speaker 2: one time they're tacking with the knife to me and

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Speaker 4: So wived too.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I I escaped the country because I

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Speaker 2: know the first time, it was very very difficult. Someone

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Speaker 2: pretended that I'm sick when and when you went there,

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Speaker 4: And then I.

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Speaker 2: Went to the cleaning in the jail and understand me

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Speaker 3: The regime and I'm so sorry, I don't mean to interrupt.

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Speaker 1: I need to get your story though, and I want

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Speaker 1: to get tell my apologies. What did you see the

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Speaker 1: regime do to people around you when you were in jail.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it is a horrible thing because most of the times,

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Speaker 2: like the people who detect them, they'll never come back.

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Speaker 2: So probably they hang them out and then you can

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Speaker 2: see the people detect them and bring them.

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Speaker 4: Back what they're all full of block their body.

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Speaker 2: And then and then it was very horrible time because

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Speaker 2: nobody talked to each other. I'm talking about the politics,

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Speaker 2: like if someone rested as a politics, I'm not talking

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Speaker 2: about someone crying, and I don't know what they do

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Speaker 3: So these were all people who just spoke out.

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Speaker 2: Against these That's right exactly.

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Speaker 3: So do you have nightmares still about it?

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Speaker 4: Yes? I did so, Yeah, what what are.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts watching now? Watching?

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Speaker 1: First of all, a couple of months ago what they

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Speaker 1: all that that wouldn't have surprised.

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Speaker 2: You, not, be honest, that's fully seven years these regime.

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Speaker 4: Since this shouldn't happen. They do it.

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Speaker 2: That's how they saw wife, that's why how they see

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Speaker 2: whoever say anything against them say I'm not happy about

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Speaker 2: the situation. The easy way they do it, they kill

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Speaker 2: I believing they only maybe twenty percent that they go

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Speaker 4: Strict lock them, but they believed them.

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Speaker 2: And then but that ten percent is not it's not

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Speaker 2: a small number. It won't got Nightey four million populations.

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Speaker 2: A person can be fourteen million people, but they're fourteen

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Speaker 2: million people. They got powered, they got God. Whoever complained

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Speaker 2: And then a few months ago when this happened, they

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Speaker 2: say kill over don't true understanding thirty two thousand, But

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Speaker 2: I believe in someone will say they identify already forty

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Speaker 2: six seven thousand people killed. And I'll still a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. Their parents they don't know where they are

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Speaker 2: because they don't know they're rested.

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Speaker 4: They kill them.

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Speaker 2: They have no idea about the children, their father, their mother,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what they do with them. And I

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Speaker 4: believe and by.

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Speaker 2: The time it's slowly slowly with one the real number,

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Speaker 2: it can be very big number. It can be even

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people killed and then they have things. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that this time the regime change.

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping, but I don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think happens next?

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Speaker 1: We know the regime is very badly battered off the

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Speaker 1: back of the US and Israeli military strikes. They've taken

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Speaker 1: out a lot of leaders, a lot of military infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: But you make the point, and it's it's a point

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Speaker 1: that I made with General Petraeus on this very show.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how many people oppose them, if they

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Speaker 1: How can the people then take back their country without weapons?

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Speaker 4: So I'm believing that all this way.

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Speaker 2: In America at the moment, doing that it's killing all

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Speaker 2: If you want to be majority people going back on

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it has to be kingdom or whatever,

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Speaker 4: We are not terros.

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Speaker 1: No, I know that absolutely absolutely. Do you believe that

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Speaker 3: To go back to your country one day.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to go home? That's my dream. You

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately I didn't hurt since the war happened, only

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Speaker 4: And I don't know what they're doing. They're okay or no.

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping. I hope I'm I don't think this will happen. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I can't see them going this far and then

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Speaker 3: I just can't. But I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: That that is indefinitely. What are they here? Does we're

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Speaker 2: They call Natanial uncle Bibby, Uncle Trump. People put the

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Speaker 4: You know, this is what they're going to do as

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Speaker 4: it's a pleasure. I hope it's happened.

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Speaker 1: What do you think when you see people on the

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Speaker 2: No against the regime or for and so for.

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Speaker 3: The regime against what is currently going on.

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Speaker 2: It's so far, it's so funny. I remember I remember,

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Speaker 2: I'm not against the war. I'm not I'm not defending

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Speaker 4: I'm very going against it.

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Speaker 2: But I remember when the Israel and was fighting against

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Speaker 2: If it's a humanity, what's it different? You have to

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Speaker 2: and yes from I'm not happy about them. I don't

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Speaker 2: there is a benefits for them this regime stay on

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Speaker 2: I don't know who are they, but I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: They are big number people very small.

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Speaker 3: They're frauds.

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Speaker 1: They are absolute frauds, and the consequences of this regime

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Speaker 1: they haven't. I trust what you think more than what

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Speaker 3: Maddie, thank you so much for.

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Speaker 1: Joining me and for telling us your story and for

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Speaker 3: Do you still worry about your welfare? Do you worry

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Speaker 4: I do, be honest, I'm very very well.

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Speaker 3: Why do you choose to speak out? Then? Why have

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Speaker 2: It's funny. In two tenty nineteen I had an interview

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Speaker 2: this time I believe. I think we all have to

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Speaker 4: They are awful.

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Speaker 2: They're not humans, they're not even animal. I can't even

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Speaker 2: call animal. I don't know who are they. They come

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Speaker 4: It's they're awful people.

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Speaker 3: They're evil, They're evil. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: I'm very grateful, thank you, thanks for having me.