1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seekers, and 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will tackle this very timely question, 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: why are so many gen Zers leaving the faith? You know, 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: it is so important that we understand the primary reasons 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: why young people are leaving the faith if we want 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: to help them. 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Return to the faith. 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: New research tells us why young people are bailing on Christianity. 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: So in today's episode, we will cover the seven most 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: prominent reason gen Zer's site for walking away from the 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: Christian Faith. That's the plan for this episode of Christian 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: Parent Crazy World, So let's get started. Hey. Last week, 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: we wrapped up a powerful best of series with pastor 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: DJ Harry, who shared four incredible lessons from the Book 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: of Daniel about preparing our kids to stand strong and 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: a godless culture. Part two of that conversation was particularly 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: raw because we talked about something every Christian parent needs 20 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: to wrestle with. That is that you can do everything 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: you know to do as a parent and your child 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: can still doubt their faith or even take the prodigal path. 23 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: We don't get to control the choices our kids ultimately make. 24 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: And when I originally aired those episodes a few years ago, 25 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: I followed them with this awesome conversation with Lorie Christine 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: about the seven reasons gen Z is leaving the Faith. 27 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: And I just thought that this conversation flowed so beautifully 28 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: out of the last one, so I wanted to bring 29 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: this one back. And I realized that these reasons are 30 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: just as relevant today as they were when we first 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: recorded it. Now, some of the current events we referenced 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: to a little more distant now, and my own kids 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: are a few years older, but the heart of this 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: conversation is evergreen. These are issues our kids are still facing, 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: and as parents, we need to understand them. So I 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: decided to bring this conversation back as part of another 37 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: best of series. And speaking of things that have changed 38 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, I have a big 39 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: personal update for my regular listeners. We have officially moved 40 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: to Music City, Nashville, Tennessee. Yes, and I feel like 41 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: we just scaled Mount Everest. This move has been an 42 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: entire year in the making. My husband lost his job 43 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: last summer and ended up working three and a half 44 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: hours north for the whole whole year while we prepared 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: for this huge transition, and we have empty nested our 46 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: two oldest kids just in the last month, and we 47 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: have relocated our three young kids so that our family 48 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: could all be together again. 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: And praise God, we did it. 50 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: We are here and now am I up to my 51 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: eyeballs on boxes? Yeah? 52 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Do I know where everything is? Definitely not. 53 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Am I terribly behind on starting our new homeschool year. 54 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: Let's just say that is a work in progress for sure. 55 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: But the move has happened, yay. And as we are 56 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: getting settled into this new season, I'm going to be 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: bringing you more and more brand new content. But in 58 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: the meantime, I'm excited to revisit some of these conversations 59 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: that are still incredibly important for us as parents. So 60 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: here is my original intro into that conversation with lour 61 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: Christine about the seven reasons gen Z is leaving the faith. 62 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: I think you're going to find this one every bit 63 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: as relevant and maybe even more sobering than it was 64 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: the first time around. Today I am airing an interview 65 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: that I had recently on the Redeeming the Chaos podcast 66 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: with Laurie Christine. Laurie Christine is an author, podcast host, 67 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: biblical parenting coach, wife, and mom of four loud, adventurous boys. 68 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: Her podcast, Redeeming the Chaos invites moms of boys to 69 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: join her on the wild, wonderful adventure of raising courageous 70 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: boys and connecting them with Christ. So I had Lari 71 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: on Christian parent Crazy World late last year and an 72 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: episode on Advent that just went viral totally shot me 73 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: and I went on her show to talk about the 74 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: youth exodust, why so many kids are leaving the faith 75 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: and what we can do to prevent that, and finally, 76 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: how to parent the prodigal child if you find yourself 77 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: in that situation. 78 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: Was an awesome, awesome. 79 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: Interview, and Larie has graciously allowed me to air that 80 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: interview over here on CPCW. 81 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Larie. 82 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: So in this episode we will cover those first two objectives. 83 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: There is new research out from Barna that tells us 84 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: why gen Z is leaving the Christian faith. I'm going 85 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: to highlight that research in the interview and discuss some 86 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: ways that we can better prepare our younger children than 87 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: In the next episode, which is the second half of 88 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: my interview on Redeeming the Chaos, I will get very 89 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: specific on how to go about parenting the prodigal child. 90 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: If you tuned in to the last episode, you heard 91 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: my very personal revelation of how this is a part 92 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: of our parenting journey right now. It is possible to 93 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: do everything within your power to train your children biblically, 94 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: and yet they still may struggle to make the faith 95 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: their own. I know so many parents in this boat 96 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: right now, myself and my husband included, so you are 97 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: not alone if you are one of those parents. Thank 98 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: you for tuning in, By the way, I really appreciate 99 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: you being here. One of the primary missions of Christian 100 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: Parent Crazy World from the start has been helping parents 101 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: of prodigals or parents of kids who are doubting or 102 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: are struggling in their faith. 103 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 2: So these next two episodes. 104 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: Will provide critical support to those parents who are walking 105 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: that road. Don't forget to subscribe at Catherine Secers dot 106 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: com to get my Prodigal Bundle if you are parenting 107 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: or grandparenting a child who is struggling in their faith 108 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: or may have left the faith entirely. I have a 109 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: bundle of incredible resources for you, including prayer lists, all 110 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: of my podcasts and articles on this topic, and one 111 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: easy to access resource. If you already have that, you 112 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: might want to recheck it from time to time because 113 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: I keep updating it with new information. One last note, 114 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: please stick around to the end of the episode. I 115 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: have some final thoughts where I'm going to repeat those 116 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: seven reasons gen Zers are leaving the faith and offer 117 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: some resources that will help you if that is the 118 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: reason your child or loved one has left the faith. 119 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: So with that said, let's jump right in. 120 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: Catherine Seekers, welcome to Redeeming the Casts. 121 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me, Laurius, It's an 122 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: honor to be here. 123 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 3: Well, it's so fun having you here on my show 124 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: because a few months ago I was on your show 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: I had the privilege of being interviewed there. So I'm 126 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: excited to have you here with us today. Tell us 127 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: really quickly about your family. Tell us about your kids. 128 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: We have five kids. 129 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: My husband and I we've been married twenty eight years, 130 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: so we're going going strong and he's my best friend, Brian, 131 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: and we've got five kids, ages eighteen to six, so 132 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: they're eighteen, fifteen, thirteen, nine, and six. 133 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: We do homeschool, and as you mentioned, well. 134 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: We've got girl boy girl, boy girl, So I've got 135 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: two boys and three girls. We spaced them just far 136 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: enough apart to make it really hard to pass down 137 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: the clothes. So yeah, that was a little frustrating. And 138 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: then I also podcast. I have a podcast with Life Audio. 139 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: It's called Christian Parent Crazy World. We eat tackle tough theological, relational, 140 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: apologetic issues, cultural topics four parents because we're living in 141 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: a really, really crazy world. I also write for Crosswalk 142 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: and I Believe, Bible Study Tools, Christian Headlines, and some 143 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: other online Christian publications. 144 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: So we are going to be talking today. As I 145 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: mentioned in the intro, we're talking about parenting the prodigal, 146 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: what to do when our kids are walking away, them 147 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: from the faith as they as they start to grow older, 148 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: and then what we can do to prevent that. So 149 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: to start off, why do you think, Catherine, why do 150 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: you think so many kids are falling away from the 151 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: faith as they enter adulthood. 152 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: Well, we are living in a very crazy culture, a 153 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: very anti Christian culture. We're a post modern world, post 154 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: Christian world. So everything our kids encounter when they leave 155 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: our homes is designed, I think by the God of 156 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: this world to lead them away from the faith from God, 157 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: from their creator. So I would have said, you know, 158 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: a number of years ago, one of the first things 159 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: I would have mentioned with that question would be the 160 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: lack of a strong spiritual foundation sometimes can be what 161 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: leads kids away. That would probably have been my answer 162 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: a few years ago, top answer, and that is a 163 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: major factor. 164 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. 165 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: A lot of times Christian parents leave it up to 166 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: the church to entirely see to it that our kids 167 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,239 Speaker 1: have a spiritual biblical foundation. But what we have learned recently, 168 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: I was just looking up some statistics about this last night. 169 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: The American Worldview Inventory in twenty twenty two revealed that 170 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: only thirty seven percent of pastors have a biblical worldview. Wow, 171 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: thirty seven percent, I know, it's crazy. And the evangelical 172 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: church it's just fifty one percent. That means that half 173 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: of the church is out there. Even in the evangelical world, 174 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: which is known to have, you know, more of a 175 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: biblical foundation, quite often half of those pastors don't have 176 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: a biblical worldview. So if you're leaving it up to 177 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: the church, they're supplemental of course, we need to be 178 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,239 Speaker 1: involved in our churches. We're not to forsake the fellowship, 179 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: the gathering of the saints together need to be invested 180 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: in our churches. But if you're leaving it up to 181 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: your church, that's not going to get the job done, 182 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: even if it is and the half of evangelical churches 183 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: or the you know, thirty seven percent of other churches 184 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: that may have a biblical worldview. But if you're wanting 185 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: if that's your goal, and that's my goal, and I 186 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: believe that's your goal as well, or to have children 187 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: that have a biblical foundation, then if you're leaving it 188 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: up to the church, make sure you're in a church 189 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: that has a biblical worldview first and foremost. That would 190 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: be really important. But also they're intended to be a 191 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: supplement to what we have in our home, not to 192 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: They're not supposed to be the entire formation of our 193 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: children's spiritual walks should not be coming from the church. 194 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: They need to see that in our homes. 195 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: Another reason, though, as I mentioned, is our culture is 196 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: relentless and pervasive. Our kids are in You know, it 197 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: wasn't too long ago when I was a child raised 198 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: in the eighties it wasn't too long ago that you 199 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: just didn't encounter all of these different types of world 200 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: views on a daily basis. Our kids, with social media 201 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: and with the Internet, they're engaging with people from all 202 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: over the world. They have all of these ideas that 203 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: are coming to them. So we need to be prepared 204 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: with some answers. We need to make that a part 205 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: of their spiritual foundation. Is they understand, Okay, what is 206 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: a pantheistic worldview, what is a secularistic worldview? What do 207 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: these other types of religions believe? What does my faith 208 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: teach me? What is distinctive about my faith? That they 209 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: don't have those questions answered. They're easy picking out there 210 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: because we do not live in a little house on 211 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: a prairie anymore. But too often we have not, as 212 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: parents and the church, done a good job of answering 213 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: the tough questions, specific issues, like one of the biggest 214 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: issues if you look at barn And Research, which they 215 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: do a ton of research on these topics, is the 216 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: prevalence of evil and suffering in the world and reconciling 217 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: that to a good God. That is the number one 218 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: reason that gen z gen Zer's list as why they 219 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: left the faith. They have a hard time believing that 220 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: a good God would allow so much evil or suffering 221 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: in the world. I actually did an episode on my 222 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: show with doctor Douglas Groteis, who is brilliant. He wrote 223 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: he's written over eighteen books and has written a Christian 224 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: apologetics textbook. 225 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: Apologetics. 226 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: By the way, if your listeners don't know, it's just 227 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: a word that means which means a defense of the faith. 228 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: So being prepared as we're told to in the New 229 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Testament where we need to always be prepared to give 230 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: a defense for our faith. 231 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 2: So we did an episode sixty. 232 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: Six and why does the Good God allow so much 233 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: evil and suffering in the world? So being able to 234 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: answer those types of questions. But let me just read 235 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: a couple more of these. That was the number one 236 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: reason that gen Z had for leaving the faith. The 237 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: second reason twenty three that was at twenty nine percent. 238 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Twenty three percent of gen Zers said that Christians are hypocrites. 239 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: That's why they have left the faith. There's a lot 240 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: of truth to what we see sometimes with some Christian 241 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: leaders and things that we see in big Christian institutions. 242 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: Twenty percent of gen Z gen Z believes that science 243 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: refutes too much of the Bible. So we really need 244 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: to be having conversations in our homes and our churches about, Okay, 245 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: what does science teach us and does that really conflict 246 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: with the Bible. Nineteen percent of gen Z says that 247 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: they don't believe in fairy tales and they see the 248 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: Bible as being a fairy tale. Fifteen percent believes that 249 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: there are too many injustices and the history of Christianity 250 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: and there's some truth to that we need to own 251 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: where the Church has gotten it wrong, and the Church 252 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: has gotten it wrong and a number of instances throughout 253 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: church history and currently and finally, six percent had a 254 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: bad experience in the church with a Christian So all 255 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: of those reasons combined, I say, has led us to 256 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: a place in the church as Christian parents where a 257 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: majority of kids are leaving the faith when they leave 258 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: the nest, they're going off to college, some even and 259 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: in their high school experience or leaving the faith they 260 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: just don't believe it anymore. 261 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: While some of those statistics are really staggering, just some 262 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: of those reasons that gen Z is leaving and our 263 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: responsibility as parents, I mean, we talk about that on 264 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: this show all the time. One of the like the 265 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: theme verse of Redeeming the Chaos is from Psalm seventy 266 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: eight that says, we will not hide these truths from 267 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: our children. We will tell the next generation about the 268 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: glorious deeds of the Lord, about his power and as 269 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: mighty wonders, and so that each generation should set its 270 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: hope anew on God and not forget his miracles and 271 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: his commands. So, I yeah, I feel like it's such 272 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: a heavyweight on us as parents to be passing on 273 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: those truths to our children. And like you said, we 274 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: can't just rely on Sunday school teachers or the pastor. 275 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: I mean, even if you are at an amazing Christ 276 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: centered biblical church, even then you can't just drop your 277 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: kids off on Sunday morning and expect that the church 278 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: is going to do all of the training for you. You know, 279 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: we do have that responsibility. I can't believe, you know, 280 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: fifty percent of evangelical pastors don't even have a biblical 281 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: world view. 282 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: I can send you. 283 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: A link for those statistics too, if you can really 284 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: go into it, because they go into what youth pastors 285 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: believe and associated pastors and so being able to see 286 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: that and making sure that your children's programs and your 287 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: youth programs are biblical. That's critically important because you don't 288 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: want them undermining what you're doing in your home either, obviously, 289 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: because if you are doing a good job at home 290 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: and then they're going to a church and you don't know, well, 291 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: this is what we talked about in the youth group 292 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: and you don't know, and making sure they're talking about 293 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: all the topics that are critically important. 294 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: In this day and age. We left a church a 295 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: little over a year ago, a year. 296 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: And a half ago, because they just weren't addressing the 297 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: issue of sexuality in the church and they weren't talking 298 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: about it, and this was an issue in the youth group, 299 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: this was an issue in my kids' friend circles. We 300 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: went to three different leaders in the church, three different leaders, 301 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: and say ask them, what are you doing because this 302 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: is something we're facing, this is something our kids are facing, 303 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: They have friends that are struggling in these areas. What 304 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: are you doing to help us? And we were told 305 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: three separate times, this is an evangelical church that is biblical. 306 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: By the way, they didn't believe anything unbiblical. But I said, 307 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: what are you doing to help counteract this? And they said, well, 308 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: if the kids want to come to us and have 309 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: a private conversation about it, we'll share what the Bible says. 310 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: On that, but we're not going to do it public. 311 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: We're not going to do it from the pulpit. 312 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that answer isn't good enough because they 313 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: are getting parted every single day from the world about 314 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: their identity and about their sexuality, and if you're not 315 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: talking about that, if you're putting the onus. 316 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: On the child to come to you, I'm like, that's 317 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: not good enough. So we left. We walked, and I 318 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: don't do that lightly. 319 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: We were not church hoppers, but at a certain point, 320 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: you're like this and it wasn't the only issue there, 321 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: and I won't say that it was, but it was 322 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: a major one, and that was a deal breaker for us. 323 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, our kids are struggling with this, and if 324 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: you're not supporting what I'm doing in my home and 325 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: what i'm teaching in my home actively, then we're out 326 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: of here because I need to be in a place 327 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: that is supporting what I'm doing, and that is teaching 328 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: them the truth of who God created them to be. 329 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: So yeah, I also do links to those statistics in 330 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: that research. 331 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be great. And that whole topic of sexuality, 332 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: we don't have time to get into it today. Maybe 333 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: I'll have you back to do a whole other interview 334 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: because I'd be happy to. 335 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: I've got many episodes on that, and I'm going to 336 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: be creating a bundle on that. We just finished up 337 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: three episodes with a woman named Melinda Patrick on how 338 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: to parent a child who's struggling in this and what 339 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: certain evangelical churches are doing. There's a huge faction in 340 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: the evangelical community that is embracing either the LGBTQ identity 341 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: or embracing it all together and saying that it is 342 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: it's God's design. Some are just saying it's part of 343 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: a person's identity even though it's not as design. And 344 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: some are saying, you know, this is in the evangelical 345 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: church major portions of that. So we need to be 346 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: aware of that and parents as parents and know what 347 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: our churches are teaching. 348 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Our church actually just did a holiday 349 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: seminar my husband attended on teaching a kid's biblical sexuality. 350 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 3: And it was addressing all of those questions on all 351 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: those issues. So as you were mentioning that, I'm just 352 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: like thankful, feeling thankful for the church that I do attend, 353 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: and you know, their approach to being grounded on the 354 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 3: Bible and being approaching these hard issues from a biblical 355 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: world view. 356 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: It's tough. 357 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: But if we're not, you don't want the only voice 358 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: they're hearing is coming from their culture and their parents, 359 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: you know, because you know, it's a certain point our 360 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: kids start to tune us out a little bit, you know, 361 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: because they're hearing what their friends are saying, they're hearing 362 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: what our culture is saying. And it's not that our 363 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: voices don't matter, but they've heard our voices from the 364 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: beginning of their time, and so we need those other 365 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: voices that are speaking into their lives to be biblical 366 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: on that topic and every topic. 367 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. As our kids get older and older, 368 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: we need to make sure that they are hearing from 369 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: other respected adults who can speak into their lives, because 370 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 3: you know, we lay the foundation. But they get to 371 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: a point where they're like, you know, you know, I 372 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 3: don't think that mom's opinion is that important, but when 373 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: they hear it from somebody else that's reinforcing those same truths, 374 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: then they're like, oh, oh yeah, okay, that makes sense. 375 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: And like, yeah, I've been telling you this for years 376 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 3: and now you're readily understanding. 377 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 378 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 3: But so, Catherine, what are some of the things that 379 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 3: we can do when our children are young? So I 380 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: want to talk about a couple of different age ranges here. 381 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: I know that you mentioned this on some of your 382 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: podcast episodes. I want to talk about what we can 383 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 3: do when our kids are young, and then I want 384 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: to talk about like teenage years, like if perhaps they 385 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: have our kids are already showing signs like wandering with 386 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 3: from the faith, of rebelling against Christianity. And then what 387 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: to do if we have an adult child who is 388 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 3: not walking with the Lord. So let's start with while 389 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: they're young, they're in our house, what are some things 390 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: that we can do to help improve the chances that 391 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: they will stay with the Lord as they into adulthood? 392 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: And yeah, great question. Before we get into that, I 393 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: wanted to say you had mentioned earlier. 394 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: This is heavy. This is heavy, but I want to 395 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: encourage parents. You're not doing this alone. You are not 396 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: doing this alone. The Holy Spirit is with you. He 397 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: knew the day and the time, the age that your 398 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: child would be born, and you would be and you're here. 399 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: We're all here for such a time as this. So 400 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: God is with us. 401 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: And this arduous task of raising children a post Christian, 402 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: postmodern world where your truth is your truth and my 403 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: truth is my truth, and never the twain shall meet. 404 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: And there are other like minded Christians that we can 405 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: band with and walk with and this journey as well. 406 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: As our kids are younger, obviously starting them off in 407 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: the Word, having devotions with your kids, you know, up 408 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: until a certain point, they can't read on their own. 409 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 2: We are the source of life for them. 410 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: We need to be making sure that every day we're 411 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: with them and helping them have the Word of God. 412 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: That's their daily bread. So obviously I think we kind 413 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: of know that. But life can get busy, right And 414 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: if you have your kids in a private school or 415 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: in a public school, you know, I happen to homeschool, 416 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: so that's just a part of our home school day. 417 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 1: But if it's not, if you're not a homeschooler, if 418 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: they're in some other educational setting, making sure you're taking 419 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: time every day to. 420 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: Talk about that, and then I would advise. 421 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: Certainly getting a curriculum for your kids to really walk 422 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: through the foundational principles of what we believe. I've been 423 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: using a curriculum recently. It's called Foundation Worldview, which I'm 424 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: really loving with my kids. It's by Elizabeth or Baniwicks, 425 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: and she's come on my show several times to talk 426 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: about her curriculum and I just think it's fabulous. They've 427 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: got it divided into different age groups too. I think 428 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: it's I don't remember exactly the delineation. I want to 429 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: say it's up till about eight or nine is the younger. 430 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: It's a Christian apologetics curriculum where they teach them the 431 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: attributes of God and how the foundational aspects of what 432 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: we believe. And then they got like more of a 433 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: middle school or a middle grade curriculum, and then they've 434 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: got some that are for the older kids. 435 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: And then there's other things that you can do as 436 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: they get older. 437 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: But I definitely trying to find some ways to engage 438 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: with your kids throughout the day, throughout the week with 439 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: having these conversations, get a book. 440 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: And walk through it. 441 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: I did an apolog GIA series a while back on 442 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: What We Believe, and I. 443 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 2: Love that series. I thought it was great. They're four 444 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: different books. 445 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: It was a bit of an investment, but it was 446 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: definitely a worthwhile investment. So look at towards ways like that. 447 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: One thing that is critically important hiding the Word of 448 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: God in your kid's hearts. Prioritizing scripture and scripture memory 449 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: the cool thing about kids and even adults to some degree, 450 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: but it's kids memorize. They're engaging in so much information 451 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: and taking in so much information. It's easier for them 452 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: to memorize than it is sometimes when we get older. 453 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: I memorize the books. 454 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: Of the Old Testament when I was young, but not 455 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: the biggest books of the New Testament. And I always 456 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: struggled as an adult to memorize the New Testament, but 457 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: I always had the Old Testament, which I mean, of 458 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: the two, let's face it, they're harder. I mean some 459 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: of those some of those Old Testament books are a 460 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: little wacky, the names are and they're but I memorize 461 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: them as a young child. So engaging with scripture memory 462 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: with your kids and the best way to do that, 463 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: whether a kid or an adult I am so big 464 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: on this is using scripture songs. I actually offer a 465 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: bunch of scripture songs. I'm my background was musical, but 466 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: I create scripture songs. I have some free ones on 467 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: my website if you subscribe, that will come to you 468 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: where your kids can learn scripture songs. I'll just go 469 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: on YouTube right now. I'm currently learning a Psalm chapter 470 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: eight and I found a few full scripture song on it, 471 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: so I'm memorizing it that way, and I'm helping my 472 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: kids to memorize it as well. We did all of 473 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: Psalm ninety one as a family, learned that entire chapter. 474 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of people sometimes are like, oh, wow, 475 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: you know so much scripture. 476 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I can learn a song, and I 477 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: can tell you right now. 478 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: I can tell you almost every word to Don't Stop 479 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: Believing by Journey if back in the eighties. 480 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: I'm a big Journey fan. 481 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: But if you can look, if you can teach your 482 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: kids three blind mice, you know that old nursery rhyme, 483 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: then you can teach your kids a scripture song. And 484 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: if it's set to music, and if you're not good 485 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: at that, you know, I happen to be pretty good 486 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: at that. 487 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 2: If you're not good at there are other people out 488 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: there seeds family music, I think, or worship. I'm not sure. 489 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: Seeds family something I could send you. I actually have 490 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: a list of them. I could send you a list. 491 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: But that is so important. And just make it a point. 492 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: You can easily memorize a verse in a week, if 493 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: not more than a verse in a week, and we 494 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: just periodically, we'll be in the and we're singing scripture 495 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: songs and I'm making sure that my kids have those memorized. 496 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: We did that with the books of the Bible too. 497 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: I did, finally, by the way, memorize the Books of 498 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: the New Testament because they had a really cool song 499 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: that helped me to memorize them all. So I've got 500 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: the whole all the books of the Bible memorized. So 501 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: I think that's a really important part, especially as our 502 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: kids are younger, but as they get older, making sure 503 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: we're engaging with them and having conversations with them about 504 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: what's happening in their life and their world and the culture, 505 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: having those conversations about their sexuality, having those conversations about 506 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: the evil that exists in the world, and how to 507 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: reconcile that with a good God. You know, what is 508 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: it about our theology? You know, as they get older 509 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: in their teen years, how does the Christian worldview explain 510 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: the existence of evil? Does that make more sense than 511 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: the pantheistic worldview, which tends to say that there's just 512 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: enlightened and unlightened behavior and there's not really good and evil. 513 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: Does that make sense when you see what Hamas just 514 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: did to Israel and babies in Israel and the Gaza strip, 515 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: do we not look at that and say, well, that's evil? 516 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: I think we know it's evil. That wasn't just unenlightened behavior. 517 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: So taking those opportunities as they get older, that's the priority. 518 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: Of your day. 519 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: I know we all have to make money. I know 520 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: we all have to full close. I know we all 521 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: have to get in the kitchen and cook dinner. But 522 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: the important part of your day is engaging with your 523 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: child's spirit and speaking into them, you know, those kind 524 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: of truth. So when one of those conversations comes up 525 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: that trumps everything, that trumps everything, we'll have a late dinner, 526 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: the laundry will go unfolded. 527 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: We might be late to another event. 528 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: If it's not super important, but we had a conversation 529 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: where I got to feed truth into my kid's spirit. 530 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: Nothing's more important than that. So I always always try 531 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: to prioritize that, especially, you know, as my kids are 532 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: getting older, because those opportunities are less and less. They're 533 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: more self directed and their education and so I'm not 534 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: having those commonversations with them all day, so I'm always 535 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: actively looking and praying for those And that would be 536 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: one of the fine There's so many other things I 537 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: could list, but pray for your child. Pray for your child, 538 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: your children every single day, and look for those opportunities 539 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: to feed their spirits. I often say we have a 540 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: front row seat as parents to the lives of our children. 541 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: God gave our kids to us for a reason, and 542 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: I end every show saying, it's because you hold the 543 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: key to unlocking who your child was created to be. 544 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: God gave you your child, and he will whisper to you. 545 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: Hey, notice that that's what's different about that child than 546 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: any other child that you have, or any other child 547 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: in the world. That is something I placed in that child. 548 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: And when I see that gift that the Lord gave 549 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: my child, I've got one child who has an incredible 550 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: intellectual gift. I speak into it when I hear it. 551 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: I've got another child with a great gift of compassion, 552 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: I speak into it. Every time I see that gift 553 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: in operation. I speak emphatically into that gift. And when 554 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm doing that, I'm calling it forth and I'm saying, 555 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: this is who God created you to be, and I 556 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: am encouraging who God created them to be. So those 557 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: are some of the tips I would say that can 558 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: really help the spiritual formation of your child from the 559 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: early moments of childhood, with the curriculums that you can 560 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: choose up through those critical conversations that you can have, 561 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: all the while making sure that they're learning the Word 562 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: and having conversations about the Word, and then obviously praying 563 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: for your child and speaking into their spirits whenever those 564 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: opportunities arrive, making sure that that's the priority of your day. 565 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: Hey friends, it's Catherine here. 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That's Katherine Scres 583 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: dot com and subscribe today because Christian parenting may be crazy, 584 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: but you don't have to do it alone. 585 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 3: Wow, so many good things I want to respond to. 586 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: Sorry, that was aboutful, wouldn't it? 587 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: Okay? That's this is amazing. So yes, I want to 588 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 3: check out that curriculum that you mentioned, the Foundation Foundation Worldview. 589 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: It sounds really good. There's a discount. 590 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: Too if you use it's CPCW ten that she gave 591 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: me Constners, so CPC that you use a ten percent 592 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: discount if you're interested in it. 593 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: I love it because there's a video component and you. 594 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: Can print off the workbook and we just work through 595 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: it together. And she just came out with a new 596 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: one on the attributes of God, and I've got a 597 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: couple of you could link to some of those episodes 598 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: I did with her, because she explains it all. 599 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: It's great. She's she's spot on. 600 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: She was an educator and was educating in Christian schools 601 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: and discovered, well, these kids are are not really processing 602 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: what they're getting from the culture through a biblical lens, 603 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: and so that's what she is passionate and gifted to do. 604 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: She's extremely gifted to help our kids do that. 605 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's important to address some of 606 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: those difficult questions and address our culture. You know, we 607 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 3: we spend so much time teaching the Bible, which absolutely 608 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: one percent is important, But how does that Bible relate 609 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: to our culture, and how does it relate to our world? 610 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 3: And how does our belief affect what is happening in 611 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: the world and affect how we should be living in 612 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 3: the world. So I think that's so good. And then 613 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: I love that you talk about memorizing scripture. We talk 614 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: a lot about a lot of times on this podcast, 615 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 3: just the importance of having family Bible time, of having 616 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: family devotions. I've got lots of resources available, and I'll 617 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: have some links in the show notes. But yes, songs, 618 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 3: songs are so powerful for memorizing scripture, even if they're silly, 619 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 3: even if they're goofy, even if it's not like the 620 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: most beautiful composition of music, it is amazing. I can 621 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: tell you. When I was in college, there was a 622 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: couple who led worship and they I wouldn't say they 623 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 3: were the most fabulous musicians, but every day in chapel 624 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: they would play their own songs that they had written, 625 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 3: and they were all directly from scripture. 626 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: I love it. 627 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 3: All of the lyrics were straight from scripture. And to 628 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 3: this day, whenever I read that passage in scripture, whenever 629 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: I come across certain passages in scripture, that song pops 630 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 3: in out my head and I can still sing it, 631 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 3: like I know that's that's at And it's so powerful 632 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 3: for our kids too, you know, even as an adult, 633 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 3: you know the fruit of the spirit. I'm going my 634 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: kids know this song. I love joy, Peace of patience, kind, 635 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: It's Goodness faceless, and I always had to sing to 636 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 3: the song yeah to remember what comes next. I'm like, oh, 637 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 3: did I get them all? Yep, yep. I sang the 638 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 3: song and then I got it. 639 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: So I love using songs to learn scripture. So at 640 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: this part of the interview we kind of shifted gears 641 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: and started talking more specifically about how do you parent 642 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: a child who is on a prodigle path or may 643 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: be struggling in their faith. We got really strategic about that, 644 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: so I'm going to pick that back up in the 645 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: next episode. But before we end this episode, I'd like 646 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: to review the seven reasons gen Z is leaving the 647 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: Faith for you one more time and offer a few 648 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: resources that you might want to check out if this 649 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: is what your child or a child you know is 650 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: struggling with. I'm gonna link all of these resources in 651 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: the show notes, on Life Audio's website and on my 652 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: website as well. First reason gen Z is leaving the 653 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: faith This is twenty nine percent of gen Z responded saying, 654 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that a good God 655 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: would allow so much evil or suffering in the world. Again, 656 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: I covered this ground in episode sixty six with Doctor 657 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: Douglas grow Tyson. I have a new episode on this 658 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: topic coming out very soon with an apologist named Ruth 659 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: Jackson from Across the Big Pond, so be looking for 660 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: that episode. Second reason, twenty three percent of gen Z 661 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: says that they left the faith because Christians are hypocrites. Well, okay, yes, 662 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: hypocrites do sully the name of Christ. But hypocrites are 663 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: in the Bible as well. Their existence does not deny 664 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: the truth of who Christ is or what we believe. 665 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: In let's face it, on some level, we are all hypocrites. 666 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: We all fail to live up to what we believe. 667 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: The good news is that Jesus died for broken, messed up, 668 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: So he died for hypocrites. 669 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: You know. 670 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: I like to visit this topic in the future because 671 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: it is a big reason. The second reason why gen 672 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: Z is turned off by the church, So be looking 673 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: for that that will be coming out in the near future. 674 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 1: All right, So, Third reason, twenty percent of gen Z says, 675 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: I believe science refutes too much of the Bible. If 676 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: this is the reason your child is struggling in the faith, 677 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: look into the work of doctor Stephen Meyer, who wrote 678 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: some amazing books like Signature in the Cell, the Return 679 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: of the God hypothesis, and Darwin's Doubt, just to name 680 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: a few. And you know, you could go on YouTube 681 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: to be introduced to doctor Stephen Meyer and just look 682 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: him up. I love to watch clips of him defending 683 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: the Christian faith scientifically. 684 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 2: I could do that like all day long. I may 685 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 2: have done that all day long sometimes. Love that guy. 686 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: I also love listening to doctor John Lennox, who is 687 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: a mathematician from Oxford. I heard a debate with doctor 688 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: Lenox and Richard Dawkins that was amazing. 689 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 2: It was on Dawkins' book The God Delusion. 690 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: Linux crushed it seriously. I think he kind of wiped 691 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: the floor with Dawkins. But anyways, look into some of 692 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: his work as well. A fourth reason, nineteen percent of 693 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: gen Z says I don't believe in fairy tales. Now, 694 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: a book like The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel 695 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: might help to counteract the idea that the Bible is 696 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: just a book of fairy tales. For those of you 697 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: who aren't familiar with Lee Strobel, he was an award 698 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: winning journalist who was an atheist and his wife got saved. 699 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: This did not sit well with them, so he sent 700 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: out to prove that the Bible was wrong, that it 701 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: was essentially a fairy tale, and he ended up. 702 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: Doing just the opposite. 703 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: He came up with all of this evidence that proved 704 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: the Bible is true. So he became a Christian and 705 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: wrote a book containing all of that evidence called The 706 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: Case for Christ. 707 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 2: They actually have. 708 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: A kid's version now that I just started reading with 709 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: my younger kids. 710 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 2: It's so cool. 711 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of other great books 712 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: out there on this topic as well. So write me 713 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: if you have some suggestions, and maybe I'll mention them 714 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: on the show. That's a topic that I would really 715 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: like to cover in a full episode. Fifth reason fifteen 716 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: percent of gen Z says that there are. 717 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 2: Too many injustices in the history of Christianity. 718 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: That is the topic I covered in episode nine, how 719 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: the Christian worldview creates the world we all want to 720 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: live in, And we also covered this ground in my 721 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: recent trilogy of interviews with the Great Oz Guinness. 722 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 2: Those were episodes. 723 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: Ninety three through ninety five. In short, the Old Testament 724 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: prophets were the first justice warriors in human history, and 725 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: the greatest liberators in human history were Christians, like William 726 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: Wilberforce and Martin Luther King Junior. So we have a 727 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: great track record with Christianity of liberation. So look into 728 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: Oz Guinness's works you will. 729 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 2: Love what he has to say about that. 730 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: Six reason, twelve percent of gen Z says, I used 731 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 1: to go to church, but it's just not important. 732 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: To me anymore. Yeah, that is concerning. 733 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: If our church isn't addressing what is important to our kids, 734 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: then maybe we aren't in the right church. As I 735 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: mentioned in this episode, we left a church that wasn't 736 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: addressing what our kids were facing in their peer groups. 737 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: There are relevant churches out there who are making an 738 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: impact in their communities. We need to introduce our kids 739 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: to biblically sound, relevant churches where God's word is being 740 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: preached truthfully and love. Not everyone wants to be in 741 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: those kinds of churches because. 742 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: The truth is convicting. 743 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: But that is the only kind of church that will 744 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 1: lead you to freedom. Seventh threes and finally, six percent 745 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: of gen Z said I had a bad experience in 746 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: church with a Christian Judgmental Christians can do a lot 747 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: of damage in the church. So if that is what 748 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: is causing the wound, you might want to check out 749 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: a series I did a while back on CPCD. Those 750 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: were episodes thirty nine through forty two. Another book you 751 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: might want to check out is When Narcissism Comes to 752 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,919 Speaker 1: Church Healing Your Community from Emotional and Spiritual Abuse by 753 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Chuck to Grow. Let me just say I have 754 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: read that book from cover to cover. 755 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 2: In about like three days. 756 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: Devoured it so so helpful when you have been wounded 757 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: in the church by another believer, and frankly, that's going 758 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 1: to happen at some point because church is a collection 759 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: of broken people on a journey to sanctification. You can't 760 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: be around the church too long without something like that happening. 761 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: But we do need to know how to respond. Leaving 762 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: the church is not the answer. Again, I'm going to 763 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: post all of those links in the resources section of. 764 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 2: The show notes. By the way, sometimes those. 765 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: Show notes on Life Audio get cut off if I 766 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of them because there is a character limit. 767 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: But I do not have a character limit on my 768 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: website however, so you can always find all of my 769 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,479 Speaker 1: show notes there. 770 00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 3: Now. 771 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: Next time on Christian Parent Crazy World, I'm gonna air 772 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: the conclusion of my conversation with Laurie Christine. 773 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 2: This is where we. 774 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: Get very specific on how to parent a child who 775 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: is struggling in their faith or may have left the 776 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: faith altogether. 777 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 2: In that conversation, I offer. 778 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: Hard earned, critical guidelines that I have learned from first 779 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: hand experience. These guidelines are going to help you if 780 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: you have a teen or a young adult child who 781 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: is either struggling in their faith or walking the prodigal path. 782 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: I do plan to actually write an article on this 783 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: in the very near future as well, so also be 784 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: sure to pick up that Prodigal Bundle. I'm going to 785 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: be adding these episodes and any future articles to the 786 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: podcast and article sections of that bundle as it continues 787 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: to grow. And as always, feel free to send me 788 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: an email if you need a compassionate ear and someone 789 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: to pray for you and your child. You can reach 790 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: me at Katherine at Katherine Segers dot com. And you 791 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: can get that bundle of resources for product comparents at 792 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: my website Katherine seekers dot com. And as always, remember 793 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: God gave you your kids, your specific kids for a reason. 794 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: That's because you hold the key to unlocking who God 795 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: created them to be. We'll see you next time. 796 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 4: Christian parent. Crazy World is a production of Life Audio 797 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 4: and Salem Media. 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