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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Hellovan, Welcome to the March or Die Show today. Glad

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Speaker 2: to have you joining. As always, this is the show

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Speaker 2: where we do our best to provide both principles and

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Speaker 2: perspectives to march when it would be easier to stay

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Speaker 2: where you are and die. And I'm super stoked about

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Speaker 2: our guest today when it comes to marching when it

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Speaker 2: would be easier to stay where you are and die.

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Speaker 2: There's probably not a more recognizable global name than Go Rock.

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Speaker 2: And I've got a friend who represents go Ruck is

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Speaker 2: with us today but is so much more than that,

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Speaker 2: and much more than that to me, and so excited

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Speaker 2: about his story, and man, we're gonna jump into that,

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Speaker 2: really looking forward to it. But before we do, if

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Speaker 2: And we're building out I've been talking about this for

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Speaker 2: almost a year, but we're building out the March or

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Speaker 2: talk more about that in the coming days. But we're

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Speaker 2: so you know when all of that comes online. But

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Speaker 2: without further ado, my guest all the way from Germany,

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Speaker 2: and that's the power of the Internet, so we're able

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Speaker 2: to do that. Marcus McLain is with us. Marcus, thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining man. Really we've been talking about this for

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Speaker 2: a long time, so finally nailed down this as an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to do remote and we'll get together in person

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Speaker 2: sometime down the road. But thanks for doing this. Appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's an honor and a pleasure for sure.

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Speaker 2: So Marcus is retired Army Master Sargeant. That's right. I

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Speaker 2: say a lot of things that aren't right, so stop

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Speaker 2: me anytime I get it wrong. Living in Germany, operating

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Speaker 2: a business in Germany, runs a owns a CrossFit gym

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Speaker 2: in Germany that we'll talk more about, but is also

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Speaker 2: the EU director for for Go Ruck and so all

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Speaker 2: of those things, a lot of things going on. But

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Speaker 2: also a Christian follower of Christ and we met really

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Speaker 2: through a mutual connection from Mighty Oaks and so Marcus

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Speaker 2: attended one of our Mighty Oaks programs and I was

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Speaker 2: talking to one of our leaders and he was talking

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Speaker 2: about Marcus and said, man, you got to meet him,

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Speaker 2: you got to talk to him, and so he connected

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Speaker 2: us and it's been a great relationship and I really

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Speaker 2: appreciate you. One of the things I appreciate about kind

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Speaker 2: of how you communicate is that you're not ashamed of

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Speaker 2: your faith at all. You lead with it, but in

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Speaker 2: a very authentic way. And it's really refreshing to see that,

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Speaker 2: particularly in the world that you kind of occupy, and

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Speaker 2: so it's been really cool to get to know you

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Speaker 2: that way. Let's just kind of start with your story

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Talk about your time in the military.

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Speaker 2: You were wounded in Afghanistan. I know there were some

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Speaker 2: transition challenges on the other side of that, But wherever

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Speaker 2: kind of understand who you are.

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Speaker 1: Sure, we'll thank you again for the opportunity to speak

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Speaker 1: and participate here and and a big thank you and

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Speaker 1: a team at the Mighty yoaks Uh. That thing was awakening,

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Speaker 1: eye opening, and joining the military was an eye opening experience.

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Speaker 1: I had no intent in joining the military, and circumstances

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Speaker 1: So you're going to Germany and you're gonna like it.

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Speaker 1: And from there things started to inspiral pretty quickly because

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Speaker 1: my direction because I had said, you know, I joined

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Speaker 1: I love it, you know. And then here I was

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Speaker 2: help that you need, and I think this is the

429
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Speaker 2: point I'm trying to get to. If you're going to

430
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Speaker 2: get the help that you need, you need to realize

431
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: you're going to need help, and then you have to

432
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: take the steps personally to put yourself in a place

433
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: where you can get the help that you need. You

434
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: cannot depend on the unit, the company, the organization whatever

435
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: to get that help. And so often veterans blame the military,

436
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: or blame their unit leaders, or blame you know, something

437
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: external for the mess they find themselves in, which I

438
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: get it, but really it's they never took care of

439
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: their spiritual health or understanding what a relationship with God is,

440
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: why it's important, or these issues of rest and the

441
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: grace of God. And so it really does have to

442
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 2: be a self care situation where you go, all right,

443
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 2: I'm not that. It's a job that I do, and

444
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for that job, but that's not who I am.

445
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: So I need a parallel path to doing my job.

446
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: I need to take care of myself. That was a

447
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: lot of words, but I think that's hard for people

448
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: to get ahold of is like, if I don't do this,

449
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 2: no one else is going to. I can't depend on

450
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: someone outside of me to take care of me.

451
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree one hundred percent. And I came

452
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: from a farming community. And if if you farmed in

453
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: rural Indiana and seventy you were farming, you know, farming

454
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: is a twenty four to seven hours so it is

455
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: your identity. So looking back, I already had probably that

456
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: that problem, you know, growing up, because that's what you know,

457
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: my family did. We worked, we didn't talk about our feelings, right,

458
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: went the church on Sunday, you know, you know, and

459
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: we had something you know, and that, but farming never stops.

460
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 1: So I kind of took I guess you know, I

461
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: took that with me in the military, not even knowing it,

462
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: and at no certain time. You know, my grandparents were

463
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: hard working people from from Kentucky, didn't have a whole lot.

464
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: And it's not that they didn't love me, they just

465
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: didn't say that very often. We didn't talk about feelings,

466
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Speaker 1: and you know, so as I start to accelerate through

467
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: the military, you know, and even and now I'm getting

468
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: out of the military. I start to look around and

469
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: I'm asking myself what's wrong with all these people?

470
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 2: Right?

471
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: And then it came when I had the opportunity to

472
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Speaker 1: slow down, or when I started to realize, or you know,

473
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: God kind of opened my eyes to be like, look,

474
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: you're having these problems with multiple people and you're asking

475
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: what's wrong with them? Maybe what's wrong with you?

476
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: Right? Right?

477
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: And when I started to ask that question, I was like, oh, Okay,

478
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: maybe they're not the problem and I am the problem.

479
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: And then that opened that takes you down a whole

480
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: nother path where I was like, Okay, maybe I am

481
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: the problem, but I don't know what the problem is

482
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: and I don't understand the problem. And that was really

483
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: beneficial for me. And I think that's where I was

484
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: at the point where I said, Okay, I've got to

485
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: go out to the mighty oatesper I got to get

486
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: around some folks that can help me see that I

487
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: am the problem and then how I can fix it.

488
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: And to your point, when I started to do that,

489
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: things just got even harder. Not in the sense that

490
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: life got harder, but as I started to reflect and

491
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: look at things like the words grace and rest and trying,

492
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, to follow scripture and be in the image

493
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: of God. It's just like, holy cow, this is I'm

494
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: a sinner, Like I'm never going to win this game,

495
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, and for someone that's I'm very competitive, that

496
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: that's hard to take, you know. And then so you

497
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: come back to grace and rest, you know, and I

498
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: think rest for me is very tough. My mind's constantly working,

499
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 1: constantly racing, and I and I'm my own worst critic,

500
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: so I'm beating myself up constantly, you know. And to

501
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: to to fully accept God's forgiveness and realize that you

502
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: are forgived and he recognizes your sinner, and you know,

503
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: Jesus paid the ultimate price for us is also tough

504
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: for me, you know, because like I don't want him

505
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: to have to do that for me. I've led from

506
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: the front always, you know, so to be led is

507
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: also another thing that I'm having to get used to

508
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,959
Speaker 1: because I've stood in front of formations or did stand up.

509
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: I was always at the forefront, whether it was the

510
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: highest PT score you know in the unit, or the

511
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: new new sergeant or the newly promoted I was always

512
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: at you know. And now to take a step back

513
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: and be and and you know that the word you

514
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: know that, so you know, just selfless service. I really,

515
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, the Army has the acronym of leadership and

516
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: those those things that they hold true selfless service, you know,

517
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: trying to to do that, but not only with the

518
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: troops around me, but you know, to God as well,

519
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, and trying to take a second to try

520
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: and to take a back seat and let him lead,

521
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, and follow him and him not follow me,

522
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: which I think was kind of how I was was going.

523
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: So how how does that? You know, you're a high performer?

524
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you're still it seems like every time we

525
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: communicate you're in a different country or you're like you're

526
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: moving around all the time. You're very busy. You're running

527
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: a business, you're also representing an or an international brand. Okay,

528
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: so how how how does a high performer, someone who

529
00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: is accomplishing a lot about rest and grace, how does

530
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: that practically play out in your day to day as

531
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: you're doing the other things that you're doing.

532
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: Great point, and before we get to that, I just

533
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: want to say one thing. And my stepmother, Lisa, and

534
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: she's been a mom to me, My my real mother

535
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: passed away very early. She's sometimes very brutally honest. She

536
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: speaks her mind, and at one point on a visit,

537
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: I was home two years ago. Still, I mean, I've

538
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: been retired this year, almost ten years. She said the

539
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: same thing. She's like, it's great, I see you on

540
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: social media. You're here, you're there, you send me a

541
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: text from here, you send me a picture from there.

542
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: When are you going to stop running? And I mean,

543
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 1: it shook me to my core? And she said, I

544
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. Yeah, she said, it looks great

545
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: on social media. You've got everyone full. But I know

546
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Wow, when are you going to stop running?

547
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean you can tell right now.

548
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: It almost takes the color out of me because it

549
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: means that shook me to my core, you know, And

550
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: I really had to process that one. So practicality, or

551
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: for me, practical application is rocking. I don't take my

552
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: phone on a rock other than to Turnstrava on, throw

553
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: it in my backpack, and that you know. I don't

554
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: do music. I don't listen to podcasts. I tried to

555
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: get out there and isolate with my thoughts in God,

556
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: and this has transitioned into what I've seen. You know.

557
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: Of course, you know as well. Rocking in the military

558
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: is not forced fun. It's it's forced march and there's

559
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: a reason for it.

560
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: There's nothing fun about it.

561
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: No, you know. And I was, you know, when I

562
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: left the military, I was traumatized by it. I Rocking

563
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: is not my strong point, you know. And as a

564
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: petunit star and a light you know, airborne entry unit,

565
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: you carry everything under the sun and then some you know,

566
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: and it really you know, and when I got out,

567
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll never put that backpack on again.

568
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: And then, you know, we incurred a different kind of

569
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: experience here with COVID, and I was stuck in my

570
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: apartment and I was like, I gotta do something. I'm

571
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: going crazy here. We were trying to do burpies in

572
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: the living room and the neighbors were complaining. So I

573
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: had the Alice pack in the basement. And at that time,

574
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: they were literally monitoring, you know, asking people where they

575
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: were going. And I went out and it was like I'll

576
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: just do two blocks around the neighborhood and see what's happened,

577
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: you know, And no one stopped me. And then two

578
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: days later I was like, all right, I'll try to

579
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: increase it. And then you know, I mean it was

580
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: so refreshing one to be outside and so rejuvenating mentally,

581
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: and then it just has escalated from there to the

582
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: fact that I got asked by Jimmy Letchford, a Marine

583
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: Corps officer as well, to come join the Goruck team.

584
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: We'd worked at CrossFit together, and it's been just absolutely

585
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: awe inspiring to see, you know, folks that are maybe

586
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: not athletically inclined to do things, but can throw a

587
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: backpack on their back, they can go out with their

588
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: family friends and furthermore, have in depth conversations. And that's

589
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: been the beauty of this thing. And that's where I'm

590
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: trying to leverage this with guys especially. You know, we

591
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: if I take a group of guys on a run,

592
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: no one's going to talk twenty minutes into a rock. Hey,

593
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, how's things going? You know, you don't seem

594
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: yourself today and there's no distractions. We're out there. You know,

595
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: we see this mentality, you know, mental health kind of

596
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: reset itself and guys can have some some genuine conversations

597
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: and and it just you know, every time I come

598
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: off an event and someone says, hey, you know, I

599
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: met you a year ago and you took us on

600
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: this ruck and now I'm walking every other day and

601
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: I've lost fifteen pounds or my whole family's doing it. Hey,

602
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: that's just a little bit of time for me to

603
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: get closer to God. You know. It's like wow, you know,

604
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: and it's something very simple that we all can do.

605
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: And you know, as you say, for me, it's a

606
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: march or dye kind of thing almost where I'm almost

607
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: obsessive with that, where every day I'm out walking in

608
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: some sort of fashion in hopes of one keeping my

609
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: crazy and check. But two and just an opportunity for

610
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: God to talk to me, and you know, an isolated

611
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: environment with no distractions and honestly just be in awe

612
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: of his wonderful works. We live in a beautiful you know,

613
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: we live on a beautiful planet. It's an amazing place.

614
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: And you know, touching grass or you know, just being

615
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: out there and breathing into that fresh air is such

616
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: a blessing and just a wonderful opportunity that I wish

617
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: more people would take advantage of.

618
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, that habit and it's just it's

619
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: creating that space, whether it's rocking or something else, but

620
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: creating that space to be able to hear from God

621
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: right and be able to communicate to God and let

622
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: God know what's in your heart, I think. And it's

623
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: funny how you can do that in a share, I guess.

624
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: But there is something I don't want to sound weird,

625
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: so I'll say it. But you know, there's something almost

626
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: spiritual or spiritual I guess, I guess, depending on how

627
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: you relate to God in the moment, but about movements,

628
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: and there's something about movement that puts you in the

629
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: heart and mind I think, to be able to focus

630
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: a little more. And it's different than you know, working

631
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: out in a gym where there's a lot going on,

632
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: or you know, I trained jiu jitsu. Those are all

633
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: wonderful things and there's a lot of movement obviously, but

634
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: it's it's different. And so you know, I run a

635
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: lot last year, I ran a number of races and

636
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: some ultras, and I wasn't feeling real well, like my

637
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: body just wasn't responding as well. You had sent me

638
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: a pack, a go ruck pack and a plate, and

639
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: I'm like Okay, well I just don't feel like I

640
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: can run right now, but let me start doing this,

641
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: and man it it really was like a game changer

642
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: for me. A it was really good for my health.

643
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: You know, you're carrying weight and it's very physically helpful.

644
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's slowed my mind down enough, even even

645
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: more than running slowed my mind down. And there's like

646
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: a space to actually process thoughts and prayers and what's

647
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: going on. Near my house here, we have a lot

648
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: of fields and there's places where there's a like a

649
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: service path or road up to a you know, power

650
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: line or something, and so I'm able to get those

651
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: hills in and I'm just back there by myself and

652
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: there is something really special about it, and it's it's

653
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: been really great for me. I keep saying really, but

654
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: it really has been. It's been great for me to

655
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: kind of get reconnected to that, cause I'm not going

656
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: to go out for a walk, right Like, I'm not

657
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: going to just like, hey, let's go, I'll hike I

658
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: guess if I'm with someone. But this is more than that,

659
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 2: but it really is. It's been It's been a real

660
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: help to me in a lot of ways.

661
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: It's been very transformational for me as well. A couple

662
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: of great points that you brought up there. You know

663
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: you have in recovery. If you think about, you know,

664
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: sports and just trying to slow down. I can't sit

665
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: still honestly and meditate. My my my brain goes crazy.

666
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: And when I'm in jiu jitsu, I'm just praying to

667
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: God I don't get choked out.

668
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love.

669
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: The patience that jiu jitsu has developed in me because

670
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: it's been a great and that's ultimately what rucking makes

671
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: me do. It makes me slow down and that's what

672
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: I need to do. And I know that's because, like

673
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: I said, it comes up in so many scriptures and passages, rest, grace,

674
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: slow down. For me, it's literally God tell me, reminded

675
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: me daily to slow down, and when I'm out there,

676
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: I have to. I just I can't. You know it's

677
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: going to if you If I want to get a

678
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: twelve mile er in, it's going to take time. So

679
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: it's some great lessons learned there. And for me, you know,

680
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: you could think about it as you're walking towards your faith,

681
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: just sitting, doesn't you know in the morning, I sit

682
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: and have a cup of coffee and listen to the

683
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: devotional But my my, I guess my most sincere talks

684
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: to God or when I'm out there by myself walking.

685
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: And that's not to say I don't enjoy doing it

686
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: with others, but I really feel like that's my time.

687
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: And it's also, as you know, getting away from screens,

688
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: getting away from distractions. I just think it's so refreshing

689
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: and rejuvenating and anyone can do it. As you said,

690
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: this is what we're built to do. It's why we

691
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: are the apex predator on this plant. We can outwalk

692
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: most things and do it well. And I really feel

693
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: that everyone has so much to gain and literally nothing

694
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: to lose, but maybe some weight by getting out there

695
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: and doing it and really can reconnect with people, which

696
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't think we do enough. You know. Anyways, everyone's

697
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: on the phone, a tablet, we're all moving in a million,

698
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, different directions, and if we set a destination

699
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: together and walk to it, it's something that we both

700
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: parties can enjoy. You know, you've got to destination and

701
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: all the sayings about life's journey on and whatever the

702
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: case may be, but you can get out there and

703
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: really have a good time and really come closer to

704
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: God and get some fitness, in which I think is

705
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: all three things are great things to leverage, you know.

706
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: And we've had the opportunity to make these things fun

707
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: and go see Christmas markets and we do you know,

708
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: scavenger hunts and then Europe all my teams know that

709
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: work with me. If you're working with Mac, you're going

710
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: to walk, you know, because parking here and traffic is horrendous.

711
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: So we and like to your point, walking has become

712
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: now just a thing I do, you know, and it's great.

713
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's a great opportunity to try to slow down.

714
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: Everyone says I walk too fast, so I probably need

715
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: to slow the pace down.

716
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that a lot. Yeah, why

717
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: are you walking so fast? Just walking?

718
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

719
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: It's interesting you talk about rest and then you know,

720
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: connect that to movement, right, because I think that is

721
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: that's something that's misunderstood when the Bible even talks about

722
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: rest or be still and know that I am God.

723
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: Those those passages and those phrases, it's really not about

724
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, sit down on the floor somewhere or you know,

725
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: just just wait for me to blow you out of

726
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: your chair to go do something. It really is. It's

727
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: it's have confidence, have trust, but get in a space

728
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: where you can hear from God. And I think a

729
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: lot of that is again movement has been very, very

730
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: helpful and more people would benefit. If you don't want

731
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: to Ruck, then go out and walk and turn off

732
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: the music. I think that's one thing that I see

733
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: people walking and you can tell they're walking for more

734
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: to get away from the house than they are for fitness.

735
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: But they've got their headphones on or the music or whatever.

736
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a place for that, but let God

737
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: speak to you, and you have to remove those distractions

738
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: to let that penetrate. And I think it will if

739
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: you're just very intentional about it. Yeah, it's great. So

740
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: and this is you know, this is not an episode

741
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: sponsored by Go Ruck. But I will say you don't

742
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: have to have a go Ruck pack or any of

743
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: the rest of it to do that. You can have

744
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: an Alice pack like you said, or a backpack. You'll

745
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: see people walking backpacks in my neighborhood. I see a

746
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: lot of people with weighted vests.

747
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Right.

748
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: There are different ways to do it. But I will

749
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: also say that go Ruck has been a great help

750
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: to Mighty Oaks and to what we do. You know,

751
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: founded by veterans, very involved in the veteran community, and

752
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: you've been great that way. We did a Murph I

753
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: guess Memorial Day Murph the last one and through you

754
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: Go Ruck sent the sand bags and we did it

755
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: with the sand bags and it's been yeah, man, just

756
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: a partnership because it really is this idea that we're

757
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: working together to make things happen, and Go Ruck has

758
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: been for us and we haven't we haven't done anything

759
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: to help Go Ruck, but you guys, Go Ruck has

760
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: been so good to us. And again you don't have

761
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: to have the Go Ruck gear, but if you want

762
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: to support a great company that really does care and

763
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 2: honestly is donating a lot of stuff to people who

764
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: are trying to get it done and veterans and the rest.

765
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: What a great company. How did you get involved beyond

766
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: just being on a Go Rock team on kind of

767
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: more the corporate side of what you do.

768
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, there was a desire to expand to Europe

769
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: and I've been over here and consulted for a couple

770
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: of companies and you know, the goal was, or the

771
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: intent was, Hey, let's get because we have a huge,

772
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, customer base over here with the UK, and

773
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you know, Germany and that we have

774
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: rock clubs here have just tooken off, you know, and

775
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: I think it's really does because Germany, you can walk

776
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: from one end of this country to the other on

777
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: a service path. It's amazing. I almost get frustrated when

778
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: I go to America can't walk as much as you

779
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: can here. And I mean you've got the Alps, You've

780
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: got all these things, so it's kind of ingrained in

781
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: their nature that you know, everyday lifestyle here. So Adam

782
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: wait was it's kind of a hurdle we had to

783
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: cross because you know a lot of them are like, well,

784
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: why do you want to add weight? Yeah, exactly so,

785
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: but as we stood those things up, we established they

786
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: established a warehouse over here, and then we've got an

787
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: EU website, you know, And it was just the ability

788
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: to have a touch point over here. Obviously going to

789
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: Normandy doing those events and having someone on the ground

790
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: and being able to facilitate you know, taxes, customs, all

791
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: those other things because they are different. So that was

792
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: kind of the link between me and Gorouck as they've

793
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: grown over here, which they've had great success. It's been

794
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, and we're looking to merger with

795
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: some other folks. And like you said, the goal is

796
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: is you don't have We'd love, you know, for folks

797
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: to have a go rock bag, you know, but like

798
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: any backpack will do. Just get started, just get walking,

799
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: get moving, to include kids, you know, everyone, it's a

800
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: it can be a family activity because weight saltzmanth equalizer.

801
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: Dad can walk with twenty pounds in his backpack and

802
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: kids can have zero pounds in the backpack. But they

803
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: can and be outside doing something together, you know, and

804
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: go to a park, go somewhere, go have some conversation

805
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: and talks that may not necessarily happen around the TV

806
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: or why everyone's on their phone and this. You know,

807
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: these places, especially over here, there's just so much history,

808
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: you know. And when I was a troop start you know,

809
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: I tell guys, hey, bee, just you don't have to

810
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: travel far. Some of these little towns have been around

811
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: three times as long as America. You know, America is

812
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: celebrating it's two hundred and fiftieth birthday and there's you know,

813
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: places have been here for seven hundred and nine hundred

814
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: years and they're at your fingertips, you know. And to

815
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: your point about moving and walking, the thing that kills

816
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: me the most or hurt that it pains me to see,

817
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: especially Americans who saved their entire life, you know, to

818
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: fit sixty sixty five years old to come over here,

819
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: and then they get over here and they can't enjoy

820
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: it because everything here is very you know, pedestrian heavy.

821
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna walk a lot, and it just you know,

822
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't want folks to miss out on the wonderful

823
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: opportunities that you know, somewhere like Europe or America has

824
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: because you just haven't spent some time walking. You know,

825
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: this place is amazing to explore on foot. And that

826
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you got to log twenty miles a day,

827
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: but if you come to Europe you will get some

828
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: steps in, I guarantee you. And just trying to empower

829
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: people that way would also I think be a great

830
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: thing to see.

831
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, take care of yourself. And then again that's the point.

832
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can go to you know, watch a CrossFit video,

833
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: you catch something on the CrossFit games, right, or you

834
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: see some of the gorut challenges and some of the

835
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: crazy stuff people do and you think, well I couldn't

836
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: do that. Well, you don't have to do that. Yeah,

837
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: there is a much less intense path. Put a little

838
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: bit of weight on your back, go out for a walk,

839
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: start with a mile, start with two miles, and you're

840
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: really going to feel the impact of that, and it's

841
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: going to create that kind of momentum to keep doing it.

842
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: And I think that's great. Germany is awesome, man, It's

843
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: it's my favorite and a lot of places. It's my

844
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: favorite place on the planet. I've told you before. My

845
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: wife is from there, from southern Germany, and so we

846
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: try every year to get back and we've done a

847
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: pretty good job. But to your point, man, it is beautiful.

848
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: Every season is beautiful, and there's so much to see.

849
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: But you have to be, like you said, physically or

850
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: you're going to go crazy because driving is in particularly

851
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: the cities, is crazy and you're driving on you know,

852
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: cobblestone streets often and trying to find places of park

853
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 2: and man, what a wonderful place. We can talk about

854
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: a lot more, but let's talk about finally, you know,

855
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: as we close this out, the importance of community so

856
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: we've talked about you need to get away, you need

857
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: to be kind of on your own allow God to

858
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: have the space to speak to you. And that's so important.

859
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: But kind of on the other end of the same

860
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: spectrum is the need for the right people in your

861
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: life and the need for community. And this is one thing.

862
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: Looking at the things that you've done, it seems like

863
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: you've always gravitated towardmmunity, whether it's you know, it was

864
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: in the military and then your transitioning a CrossFit, which

865
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: is you know, for those that aren't familiar, it is

866
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: a community event. Really, you're not working out by yourself,

867
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: you're not going to the gym and finding a corner.

868
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: You're with other people doing things. And then Go Rock

869
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: really has created communities. I have my uh my Go

870
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 2: Rock patch right that there you go. That really is

871
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: you know, you do one of the challenges and you

872
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: get a patch depending on the event, but it's very

873
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: community focused, in community driven. So talk about the importance

874
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: of community.

875
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know a couple of things. One, I

876
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: don't think we were meant to worship alone, right, you know,

877
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: I just don't think, you know, I do my best

878
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: to do it. I travel a lot. You know when

879
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: I watch you know, Elevation Church online, you know, listen

880
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: to your daily devotions, but there's just you know, being

881
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: you know with another believer, being with someone else that's

882
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: getting that support, having that dialogue. Yeah, you know, being

883
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: able to talk to some of these things because you know,

884
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: is maybe straightforward as the Bible may seems, it's complex

885
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: and it's sometimes difficult to understand and just get into

886
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: second opinion or talking through those things and having someone

887
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: you know reinforce or even counter, you know, your thoughts

888
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: and feelings about you know, scripture is great. Being able

889
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: to do that, you know, while rocking or some fitness

890
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: even better, you know. And I don't know, I grew

891
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: up you know in Indiana. When I grew up, you know,

892
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: it was played basketball or die. It wasn't March or die.

893
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: It was about you know, it was one of those hey,

894
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: shoot fifty three throws before you come in, because they're

895
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to go to college, you

896
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: need a scholarship, you know. And I grew really fast,

897
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, I think fifth sixth grade I hit like

898
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: five ten and everyone was like, oh man, this kid

899
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: is going to grow. And then I stopped growing, so,

900
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, I had all these aspirations

901
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: to play ball, you know, and it's just part of

902
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: our culture. Steve Alford came from you know, a nearby town,

903
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: and so team sports were great. I loved team sports

904
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: and I had a bunch of great cousins. We literally

905
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: ran the little rural neighborhood or farming community. So I

906
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: guess that was deeply ingrained with me, you know. But

907
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: on the other side, I was an only child, so

908
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: there was a lot of time where I was by myself.

909
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, being part of something and

910
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: it's always been important to me, you know, And I

911
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: think it may come a little bit from my grandparents

912
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: just you know, they were pretty old when they took

913
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: me on, just because my mother passed away and they

914
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: were still farming and doing their things. So I think

915
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: I sought out, you know, other kids and being part

916
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: of a team, you know, and even you know, through

917
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: the military, the same way that camaraderie. You know, I've

918
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: got guys you know that I went to school with,

919
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, high school with that I don't talk to.

920
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: And I have guys that I went to basic training

921
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: with that we talk. You know and chat and send

922
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: reels and memes, you know, to this day, you know,

923
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: and those guys have tooken me and to meet their

924
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: families and they've met mine. So that thing, you know,

925
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: we're gargarious. People were meant to be together. You know,

926
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: in earlier times, we laid down in packs and groups,

927
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: and I think that's how it should be, you know,

928
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: but I also see the power of community. Let's be honest,

929
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: the one percentile of all branches that achieved seals, you

930
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: know or delta or whatever, that's not the norm. Like

931
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: you what you said, Like on CrossFit, those guys that

932
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: we see doing those amazing things by themselves, they that

933
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: they're just of a different kind of mindset and they

934
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: also enjoy community, just in smaller scale. And when we

935
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: look at CrossFit. When I opened my gym, my goal

936
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: was to create a second home. It was the motto

937
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: of Starbucks. It was the same way. You know, I

938
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: wanted people to come to my gym and even if

939
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: they weren't going to work out, I wanted them to

940
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: feel like they had a place to go. You know,

941
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: that was a healthy, positive environt that they could go

942
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: and create. And what we did is I took people

943
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: that lived across from this, you know, lived across the

944
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: street from one another, that never met, didn't even know

945
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: that they lived across the street, met in the gym

946
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: and was like where do you live? And they're like, yeah,

947
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: I live on this street, and like, I live across

948
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: the street, you know. And then to see that flourish

949
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: into these people going out and doing workouts on their own,

950
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: going on vacation together. Yeah, I mean that was That's

951
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: what I want to see. That was the whole goal.

952
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: And you know, and the same thing with the Goruck stuff,

953
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: bringing people together and challenging them to do something like

954
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: you said that they never thought they could do, you know,

955
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: and they do that through the power of community and

956
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: then sitting down after those things and reflecting on it

957
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: and talking about it and knowing that they are going

958
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: to go out and tell other people about it. And

959
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: the power to change one person's life is just as

960
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: important as changing one hundred thousand people's lives. Yeah, there's

961
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: no difference in that, you know. And if you have

962
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: the ability to change one person's life, you for me,

963
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, you have done an amazing thing. You know,

964
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: if you have the opportunity to do that, and you

965
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: only get the opportunity to do that if you're in

966
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: a group with someone you know doing hard things. I

967
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: just I totally really believe that. And heart is relative,

968
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, and if heart is getting up and going

969
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: for a one mile walk, then that's your heart. That's okay,

970
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, and you're probably only going to do that

971
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: with the support of someone else. So so those are

972
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: foundations and all my go rock events are built on

973
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: those strategies. Things you know that are employed through team

974
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: building drills, you know, challenging, you know, stress and oculation,

975
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 1: you know, communication under chaos, you know, because that is life.

976
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: It's not always it's not always you know, good times

977
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: and you know, so so being able to create that

978
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: in a safe and controlled environment and then watching groups

979
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: grow as they come. You know, these people sign up

980
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: for these events, whether it's a CrossFit seminar that I

981
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: lead or a go rock event. They don't know each other,

982
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: and you know, they're all a little bit stand offish.

983
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: But when I become the common enemy, that change that

984
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, or the common whatever however you want to

985
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: look at it and bring them together, yeah, you know,

986
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: and see that transformation happen. Between my before my eyes

987
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: and see these bonds built between these people that didn't

988
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: know each other before the started is amazing. And if

989
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: we could just get more of the world to do that,

990
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, on on other issues, we'd be doing really Yeah.

991
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 2: I agree. Well, and it starts local, right, I think. Yeah,

992
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, we look at the world's problems, and then

993
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: we need to look at our problems in our homes.

994
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: I mean, how many families don't spend time together? You know,

995
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: So everything that you just said it applies, you know,

996
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: be great to see that happen broadly, but is it

997
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: happening in your home? Like you said, take your family

998
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: out for a walk, you know, spend some time together,

999
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: and then in your community and and the rest of it. So, man,

1000
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: it's awesome. Well, we'll have another conversation and we're working

1001
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: on how we can get together in person, and so

1002
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: we're going to work that out. But we'll there for now.

1003
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: But how can people get in touch with you? Follow you?

1004
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: Where would you like to point them to? What's top

1005
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 2: of mind for you?

1006
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: Well, it's you know, it's funny. I'm trying to take

1007
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: some rest actually, so I've left social media for a

1008
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: little bit while I'm trying to take some time. I

1009
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: took on a new project with a company here called

1010
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: Apex Past where we're working with some soldiers teaching them

1011
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: the fundamentals of fitness. It's a great It's a project

1012
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: of passion for me. And you know, I I with

1013
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: a close friend she visited just over the Christmas time

1014
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 1: I had shoulder surgery again, and I said, this year,

1015
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: we really pushed hard last year to really get out

1016
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: there and get after it. And I said, you know,

1017
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: if I'm want to preach or profess these things of

1018
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: rest and grace, maybe I need to practice them a

1019
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: little bit harder. So I'm going to go under the radar.

1020
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: You know, I don't reach out to Marcus is the

1021
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 2: don't reach out?

1022
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'll I'll be on some events here in

1023
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: a couple of months. I'm just gonna take some time

1024
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: to rehab because I really, like I said, through your

1025
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: devotionals and just everything I'm reading right now, God is

1026
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: telling me to slow down. And I think I need

1027
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: to listen to that, because He's real good about reminding me.

1028
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: When I don't listen, You're going to listen.

1029
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: It's just a question of when and how much work

1030
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 2: it's gonna.

1031
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 1: Take, yeah, exactly. But I've got an email, A's Mack

1032
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: at gooruck dot com if folks are interested in go

1033
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: rock events and want to get out there and get

1034
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: after it. Like I said, I just took a little

1035
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: break from social media. I still have the accounts. If

1036
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: you want to send me a direct message, I can't

1037
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: remember whats called anymore, please do and I will get

1038
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: to them, just you know, trying to pace myself, because

1039
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:51,479
Speaker 1: you know.

1040
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: That's really good. And I would say, you know, I've

1041
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: we talked about on the show, and you know, Sean

1042
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: Canard is my co host, and when he's on, we

1043
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: talked about go uck a lot. But I couldn't recommend

1044
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: go ruck the company more highly. Again, their founding and

1045
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: where they come from and kind of their I don't

1046
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: know if ethos is the word or culture whatever the

1047
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: word is around that, but it's it's been great. And

1048
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: so if you're looking for a way to start a

1049
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: place to start, I think on the go rock website

1050
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: you can search for groups. I think you can find

1051
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: groups local.

1052
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: Let me push that a little bit hard than push

1053
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: and get in contact with me. Go find your local

1054
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: rock club. Yeah, and if you don't have one, start one,

1055
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: and if you need help starting one, send me an

1056
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: email Mac at goruck dot com and we'll get just

1057
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: sort of because that's what it's all about. Go rock

1058
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: is what it is because of those rock clubs, the

1059
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: people that are in them.

1060
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: Good good man, Marcus, Thank you so much, really appreciate it.

1061
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 2: And we'll do it again sometime.

1062
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks for the opportunity, sir.

1063
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: So appreciate Marcus. And I've got to know him over

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Speaker 2: the last I guess year and a half or so.

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Speaker 2: I've tried to and we've tried to find a time

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Speaker 2: that we could get together. Obviously he's in another country,

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Speaker 2: so it makes it hard, but thankful we could have

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Speaker 2: that conversation. Man, What a helpful conversation. Whether you're transitioning

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Speaker 2: out of the military, or you're in a corporate environment,

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Speaker 2: or maybe you're not transitioning, maybe you're in the middle

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Speaker 2: of it. Understanding that your identity should not be wrapped

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Speaker 2: up in where you work or even a uniform that

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Speaker 2: you wear, that there's more to you and to God's

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Speaker 2: plan for you than that, and getting around the right

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Speaker 2: people and putting the right things in and taking the

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Speaker 2: time for rest in space. What a great conversation. Very

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Speaker 2: thankful for it. For those of you that have not

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Speaker 2: yet subscribed to the show, please do that. Go ahead

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Speaker 2: and subscribe. That would be fantastic. That lets you know

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Speaker 2: when this content goes live. We also have a YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Go to YouTube search for March or Die or the

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Speaker 2: March or Die Show. You'll find us there as well.

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Speaker 2: And as I mentioned at the top of the show,

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Speaker 2: we're getting ready to launch some stuff. I'm pretty excited

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Speaker 2: about a community that we'll have not just this podcast.

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Speaker 2: It will have this podcast, but so much more. We've

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Speaker 2: got to some courses that are going to be introduced,

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Speaker 2: Bible study, other things that I think will be a

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Speaker 2: help to you as well. So pay attention and look

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Speaker 2: for that. All right, thank you, look forward to talking

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Speaker 2: me next time.