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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Tommy, thanks for joining me, David, thanks for having me. Tommy,

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Speaker 2: Prophet Award winning composer and producer, has a new album,

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Speaker 2: The Resurrection of a King. I really liked it. It's

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Speaker 2: really really good. It reimagines beloved hymns as modern worship

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Speaker 2: anthem speechers well known singers as well, CC wy EN's Crowder,

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Speaker 2: Jen Johnson, John Reddick, Ben Fuller, J M McDonald, Phil

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Speaker 2: Wilkom among them. Tommy, this album reimagines classic hymns with

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Speaker 2: a cinematic sound. What drew you to this idea? How

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Speaker 2: did you decide to pick which songs? I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: a good question.

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Speaker 1: It all stemmed from I did a Christmas album several

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Speaker 1: years ago called The Birth of a King, and it

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Speaker 1: was reimagining old Christmas hymns and carols and just giving

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Speaker 1: them a movie soundtrack that felt weighty and serious and real,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I thought for a long time it'd

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Speaker 1: be cool to do an Easter equivalent, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: know I did have the idea that it'd be hymns yet,

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Speaker 1: I just was like, well, what songs would it be?

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Speaker 1: And then finally when that unlocked. I mean, dude, the

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Speaker 1: list was I had fifty songs, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I gotta cut this down, so it ended up still

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Speaker 1: being a nineteen song album. But yeah, it was just

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Speaker 1: really fun to explore these old songs that have such

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Speaker 1: rich hairtene in the lyrics, but sometimes stripping them out

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Speaker 1: of a melody that worked on a hundred years ago, and

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Speaker 1: just doing something new with some of them, not all

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Speaker 1: of them, you know, and putting an orchestral movie weight

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Speaker 1: to them. Man, it was powerful working on it because

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Speaker 1: it just felt like scoring the moment Jesus walked out

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Speaker 1: of the two Like, how what would that powerful music

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Speaker 1: sound like?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? How would you describe the

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Speaker 2: phrase cinematic sound? Because that's what it's being described at

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Speaker 2: I remember I had a college class in rock music,

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Speaker 2: and I remember reading about all the different types of

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Speaker 2: rock music and reading what music sounds like in print

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Speaker 2: is always kind of odd and cumbersome. But how would

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Speaker 2: you describe words what a cinematic sound is if you can?

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Speaker 1: And well, for me, everyone has a different definition, which

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Speaker 1: is interesting I found out recently. For me, it's something

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Speaker 1: that feels epic and grand and like it's in a movie,

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Speaker 1: which oftentimes correlates to strings and brass. Naturally, That's been

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Speaker 1: how we've scored movies for decades now, you know. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: weighty and serious, but epic and grand as well and orchestral.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you said that, this this album, The

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Speaker 2: Resurrection of a King, follows the Christmas themed The Births

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Speaker 2: of a King. Did when you were when you were

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Speaker 2: recording The Birth of a King, did you were you

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Speaker 2: kind of thinking about an Easter album? Was that it

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Speaker 2: was out of your mind? No, no, no, I had

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Speaker 2: no clue.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, even a year ago, I didn't know I

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Speaker 1: was going to be doing this project. It kind of

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Speaker 1: just dropped into my lap and I just felt so

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Speaker 1: nudged and called to make it, you know. I felt

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Speaker 1: it felt urgent, like right now, the world just needs

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Speaker 1: God so bad. And I'm up here in my studio.

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Speaker 1: You know, you were joking before, like it looks like

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Speaker 1: spaceship here. And I love being in this room, and

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Speaker 1: I love making songs and cinematic songs for movie trailers

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Speaker 1: and TV shows and video games.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: But as I'm doing that having a blast, I'm also

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Speaker 1: just looking out the window and just seeing the world

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Speaker 1: fall apart, right at the same time, and there was

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Speaker 1: a conviction there of like they they need answers and

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Speaker 1: they need hope, and I know the answer. How can

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Speaker 1: I not do my part to offer light and hope

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Speaker 2: You know, hey, man, of that why i'd read you

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Speaker 2: said you felt commissioned to make it. I guess since

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Speaker 2: that's what you're talking about, let's talk about hymns. Why

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Speaker 2: are you so passionate about hims? What do we lose

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: Well, I grew up singing him in my church, and

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Speaker 1: I'd go to my grammar's church and they would sing him.

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Speaker 2: So I was very familiar. Know.

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Speaker 1: I do think over time we're doing less and less hymns,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, and we're very much these days.

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Speaker 1: I think humans are about style and trends and what's current.

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Speaker 1: it's it ties the music as well. So like the hymns,

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Speaker 1: do you just read the lyrics and the words. They're

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Speaker 1: pretty poetic and rich, like I said, But I think

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Speaker 1: singing it feels very marching band and you know, old style,

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Speaker 1: was my hope. And I didn't know if it'd be possible.

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Speaker 1: Some of these hymns. I was like, oh man, what

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Speaker 1: are we going to do with that one? I couldn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, how can you resurrect no pun intended this

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Speaker 1: old hymn and just playing around with different ideas. I

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, they're rich, they're rich theologically, and they

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Speaker 2: tie us to our past. I think that's one thing

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Speaker 2: we kind of lose. We tend I think it's Protestants.

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Speaker 2: We tend to think that the church began with Christ.

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Speaker 2: Then fast forward to we're at Martin Lutheran. You know,

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Speaker 2: now we're Billy Graham, and now we're now, yeah, are

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Speaker 2: faith to people of the past. I think that's one

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Speaker 2: thing you're talking about. But like you said, we have

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Speaker 2: these rich hymns and you're trying to I guess maybe

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Speaker 2: bring them to a new generation that might have forgotten them,

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Speaker 2: So that's yeah. So I think it feels familiar and.

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Speaker 1: Brand new at the same time. Yeah, you know, there's

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Speaker 1: lots of nods in these songs, the reimagined ones to

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Speaker 1: the original melodies at times, or different parts of them,

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Speaker 1: So it's not just like brand new songs. You know,

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Speaker 1: on every single track.

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Speaker 2: You've become known for your cinematics. Take us back to

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Speaker 2: the beginning. How did you first get into music and

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Speaker 2: how did you develop this this style that you're kind

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Speaker 1: I always my Parry's bought me a small keyboard when

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Speaker 1: I was little, and I just became obsessed with it instantly,

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Speaker 1: just wouldn't stop playing it, and I would listen to

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Speaker 1: a lot of things I heard on TV, like commercial

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Speaker 1: the trailer music. That was like the thing that really

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Speaker 1: was that weird kid that like listened to trailer music

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: No one else I have ever met has said that,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, why why is no one else? It's

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Speaker 1: good music, right, And so I don't, dude, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how it happened, but slowly, slowly, I found myself

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Speaker 1: in a place where I was implementing trailer elements into

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Speaker 1: pop music and hip hop music and Christian music and

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Speaker 2: I guess one of the more popular ones that you're

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Speaker 2: known for us I guess you work with n F.

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Speaker 2: There's many others. I learned as I was reading your

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Speaker 2: list that you you I think the elements with sylbea mackew.

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Speaker 2: You helped him with that song as well. So I

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Speaker 2: think your stuff is in lots of songs. We just

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Speaker 2: don't know it. Tell me about the history of you

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Speaker 2: at you and n F. I guess you were you

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Speaker 2: guys were good friends, and you still are good friends.

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Speaker 2: You still work together. It seems you kind of rose

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Speaker 2: in popularity and prominence at the same time. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: are both from Michigan and I with that time. I

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Speaker 2: had a side job.

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Speaker 1: He had a side job, But we both loved music,

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Speaker 1: and he came over one night just to hang out.

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to watch a movie. But I

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Speaker 1: had just gotten some new studio stuff and some new sounds,

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Speaker 1: him signed to Capitol Records and brought us both along

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Speaker 1: this crazy journey man. That's just we didn't see coming,

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Speaker 2: What I mean.

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Speaker 1: So it was like literally I was in Michigan in

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Speaker 1: and we were both just you know, scrapping by trying

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Speaker 2: You know. At the time, what was was cinematic sound?

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Speaker 2: Was that in hip hop much or was that kind

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, maybe not quite the same way.

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Speaker 1: You know, hip hop is very linear a lot of

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Speaker 1: He's very versatile. And so to do that over a

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Speaker 2: Heard your your your music on television or in a movie.

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Speaker 2: And that was so dude, I'll never forget it. It

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Speaker 2: was a Will Smith movie trailer for Concussion, and we

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Speaker 2: the trailers. And I found out that day They're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: And I remember I had my I wasn't home to

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Speaker 2: I watched it on my phone and it was kind

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Speaker 2: of like all my dreams of my entire life came

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Speaker 2: true in that moment. Is like the fast action clips,

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Speaker 2: I landed in my head when I was hoping it

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Speaker 2: I want to do more of this music for movies,

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Speaker 2: music for trailers, just making music that's emotional and powerful

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Speaker 2: and enhances of visual you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to imagine. Are the best movies without the music?

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Speaker 2: And so so much so that you can go to

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Shows and TV? Yeah, I'm kind of just doing all

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Speaker 1: This This was a hard this album, The Resurrection of

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Speaker 1: a King, was definitely a hard pivot for me because

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Speaker 1: I was a worship leader in my life, like and

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Speaker 1: then it was just a job change to make movie music.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm like, it's full circle, all kind of

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Speaker 1: for me, and I'm now just all the plans that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was looking at your Spotify have five million

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Speaker 2: streams a month in Spotify. That's more than many artists

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Speaker 2: that I listened to regularly. And so the music, the

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Speaker 2: person behind the music is kind of who you are.

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Speaker 2: How did you come to faith? Before we let you go?

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Speaker 2: How did you come to faith? Tommy? You would you

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Speaker 2: grow up in a Christian I did. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in a Christian hall and went to

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Speaker 1: lot of really good you know, teaching me to use

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Speaker 1: to give your talents to God, like that was a

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Speaker 1: really that's something I think about a lot still, you

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Speaker 2: As we're looking at your own video right now and

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Speaker 2: people listening to the podcast and know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: But is this where the magic is made? Is this?

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Speaker 2: Is this your studio? Is this? Is this?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I did.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty cool because I actually just added a light

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Speaker 1: now every time I'm on a zoom call, it adds

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Speaker 2: And I did not do that on purpose.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how it's happening, but it kind

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Speaker 1: of fits the movie theme. It looks like I'm, you know,

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Speaker 1: being in a Mike Michael Baby movie or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We're we're going through space at light speed or something.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what's going from here. It's fun though.

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Speaker 2: Hey Tommy, you're talking to you. Thanks so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you too. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: See you next time.