1 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of 2 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: hours of Dennis's lectures, courses, and classic radio programs, and 3 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: to purchase Dennis Prager's Rational Bibles, go to Dennisprager dot com. 4 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: On today's episode of Timeless Wisdom. 5 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: The subject is that the pursuit of a perfect world, 6 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: of a perfect society produces hell. The examples are Legion 7 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: where people have this vision, Oh, if we only remake 8 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: society in the image that I can imagine it, then 9 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: then it will be great. It will be perfect, people 10 00:01:05,039 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 2: will love each other, it will be a beautiful world. 11 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: That's coming up on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager, and 12 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: it starts right now. 13 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: And welcome to the Ultimate Issues Hour on the Dennis 14 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: Prager Show. I devote this hour each week to some 15 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: great issue of life, trying to explain the world, whether 16 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: it's going to be a great micro or a great 17 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: macro issue. And today is a major, major one about why, 18 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: one major reason there is so much bad in the world. 19 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 2: And ironically, or may it may sound ironic, it may 20 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: not be. It is because human nature dreams of a 21 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: perfect place. We dream of a perfect world, and it's 22 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: called utopia, and all utopian visions have led to hell 23 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: on earth. That's the subject. How utopian visions lead to 24 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: hell on earth. Heaven is available in the next world. 25 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: Heaven is not available in this world. That doesn't mean 26 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: that we shouldn't try to improve it. Oh, we should 27 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: all the time try to improve the world. But improve 28 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: the world does not mean make it perfect. We cannot 29 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: make it even close to perfect. That is not available 30 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: to us on this planet. And the beliefs that people 31 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: have had, and this is afflicted religious people, and this 32 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: is afflicted secular people. As it happens, it's afflicted secular 33 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: people even more than religious people because the religions have 34 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: tended to defer heaven to the next life and have 35 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: acknowledged you can't have a heaven on this earth. It's 36 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: just understood. It's not available to us. There may have 37 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: been a Garden of Eden, but we have long since 38 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: left it and we don't return to it. And I'm 39 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: not talking theology. I'm talking about real life. And I 40 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: want you to call in with theology calls. It's not 41 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: even the subject. The subject is that the pursuit of 42 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: a perfect world, of a perfect society produces hell The 43 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: examples are Legion, where people have this vision, Oh, if 44 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: we only remake society in the image that I can 45 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: imagine it, then then it will be great, it will 46 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: be perfect, people will love each other, it will be 47 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: a beautiful world. The contemporary version of this, the most 48 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: powerful one, is the Islamists. Their view that if the 49 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: world is under the rule of Shari'ah, the world, not 50 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: just their societies, starts with their societies, is under the 51 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: rule of Islamic world, then people will love each other. 52 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,999 Speaker 2: You read their literature. They blow up people in the 53 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: name of love, but this was done by the Commune. 54 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: They blew up people in the name of love, in 55 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: the name of progress, in the name of your revision 56 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: of perfection. You can do anything you want, and people 57 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: do anything they want. The French Revolution did it. They 58 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: had a view of a perfect society. After the French Revolution, 59 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 2: the communists had a view of a perfect society. Period KIKOMUNISMU. 60 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: I know Russian and I was in the Soviet Union 61 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: a number of times, and I was in communist countries, 62 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: and they would have all of this about the new 63 00:04:53,440 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: Soviet man. Novi sayetsk Levyek. The new Soviet Man and 64 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: they would. Did you ever see Nazi or Communist sculptures 65 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: of these, you know, the great perfect bodies, men and 66 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: women looking forward, looking up, thrilled to be on a tractor. 67 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: It's called socialist realism. In other words, it had nothing 68 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: to do with reality. It was a socialist reality. It 69 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: was the reality of their vision. People have these visions 70 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: of remaking the world and the light of their system, 71 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: and then evil will end and they will be happy. 72 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: They are unhappy in the flawed world in which we live. 73 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: Contrast that to the founders of the United States, who 74 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: understood that human beings are terribly flawed. So what you 75 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: have is you have an executive that has a check 76 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: on the legislature that has to check on the executive, 77 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: and you have a judiciary that has a check on 78 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: the legislature and a check on the executive. But the 79 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: executive is the one that ultimately can put into power 80 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: the members of the judiciary. In other words, everybody checks everybody, 81 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: because the founders of this country knew there is no utopia. 82 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: The human being is too deeply flawed. Utopias are impossible. 83 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 2: Do you remember these cults? What are cults, folks? What 84 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: are cults? What we call cults. They are little utopias. 85 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: Jim Jones made a utopia for his followers until he 86 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: gave them kool aid and died. Any one of these. 87 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: I'm always suspicious about these cults. It's because ninety percent 88 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: of the time you end up hearing about how the 89 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: cult leader has told all these young women that to 90 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: make this heavenly world, they have to sleep with him. 91 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: Remember that every time, I am convinced that's why these 92 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: guys make these cults was to get young women into bed, 93 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: because that's what always happened. And these young oh, all 94 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: for the sake of our utopia. Of course, please take me. 95 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: People will do anything for the sake of a utopia. 96 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: They will murder, they will give their bodies over, they 97 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: will give their minds over. The human being aches for 98 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: I was going to say, lusts for, and that may 99 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: may be the better for a perfect world, because this 100 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: one is so imperfect. The further left you go in 101 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: the secular world, the more you will get this as well. 102 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: If we just have more and more, the government will 103 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: solve these problems and we will be taken care of 104 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: from our birth to our death. We will have a 105 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: lot of time off from our work so that we 106 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: can enjoy the arts and enjoy the non material pursuits 107 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: of life. They have a total utopian vision. That's why 108 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: it's okay to take more and more power into their hands, 109 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: because they are going to make a beautiful world compared 110 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: to the crappy world that America, for example, now is 111 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: one A Prager seven seven six one eight pr g 112 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: Er seven seven six. If you have any questions or 113 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: your own thoughts on this issue, do you have your 114 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: own belief that there could be a perfect or nearly 115 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: perfect world on this earth, Tell me about it. Maybe 116 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: you have such a vision. I have no vision. The 117 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: only vision I have is of people improving the world 118 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: bit by bit. That's why I believe, for example, that 119 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: revolutions don't work. I'm not talking about revolution against foreign 120 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: occupation like the US against Britain, but internal revolutions don't work. 121 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: Evolutions work. The Russian Revolution didn't work, the French Revolution 122 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 2: didn't work. They made things worse. Evolution works. That's why 123 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: I have always answered people's attacks on the Bible for 124 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: not abolishing slavery. The abolition of slavery three thousand years ago, 125 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: when the Torah was written this is what we're talking 126 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: about the beginnings of the Bible, the first five books, 127 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: known as the Torah, there was universal slavery, and what 128 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: the Torah did was humanize the institution so that of 129 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: its own it would die out and teach the principle 130 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: that all creatures are in God's image. It made it 131 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: impossible to return a slave to its owner, which immediately 132 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: renders slavery impossible the way we know because the slave, 133 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: you would know the slave could run away if you'd 134 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: maltreated him. But it didn't say there's no such thing 135 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: as that's utopian. What it did was it evolutionarily got 136 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 2: rid of slavery. This has been a yearning. And if 137 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: you have such a yearning, do you do you have 138 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: or do you know someone, perhaps in your own life, secular, religious, left, right, 139 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: who has a sort of picture of a perfect America, 140 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: of a perfect society that they would like us to 141 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: change to one eighth Praeger seven seven six. Do you 142 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: want to know the major the major your flaw in 143 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: the leftist critique of America is that America. They compare 144 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: America to a utopia, not to other countries. They have 145 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: a vision of a country with no racism and no inequality, 146 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: but there will always be some people who will be racist. 147 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: People are not good, A lot of people are not good. 148 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: America is not a racist country, but it's a country 149 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: that has racist So is that yes, that's imperfect one 150 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: eight Prager seven seven six is eight seven seven two 151 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: four three triple seven six. The visions of a perfect 152 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: world in this world and the hell that they always produce. 153 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 2: I'll give you more religious and secular examples and take 154 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: your calls. This is the Ultimate Issue's Hour on the 155 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: Dennis Prager Show. 156 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this 157 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom. 158 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Dennis Prager Show. This is the 159 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: Ultimate Issues Hour. I'm talking to you about the dangers, 160 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: the horrible dangers of utopian thinking of thinking that we 161 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: can make a perfect society or a perfect world. The 162 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: left has it, the right has had it, the religion, 163 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: some religionists have it, The secular have it, and it's 164 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: it's a major factor today in two places, and the 165 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: secular left and among Islamists. That's where it is now. 166 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: Fifty sixty seventy years ago, it was the Nazi and 167 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: the communist utopian visions. The French Revolution had a utopian 168 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: vision one eighth Prager seven seven six. I'll explain more 169 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: and more as this goes on, and it's it's very 170 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: help in life to know that that is not a 171 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: heaven is not available on earth. Just know that heaven 172 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: is not available on earth. There are heavenly moments. Listening 173 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: to my show that was self deprecating human humor, folks, 174 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 2: it was not a boast. We go to Denver, Colorado 175 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: and loyal is that your name? 176 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: Yes? 177 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 4: And nus Breaker is a really great buature to talk 178 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 4: to you. 179 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: Wow, Thank thank you, that's kind, thank you. 180 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 3: Wow. 181 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 4: So you know, it's funny you were talking about the 182 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 4: whole idea about how utopias are end up turning life 183 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 4: into a miserable hell for everybody, and well, that's exactly 184 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 4: what happened. And then you talked about how you know 185 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 4: that relates to cults. Now I was like, bingo, that's 186 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 4: exactly what happened to me. I mean, I'm thirty one 187 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 4: years old today and and uh, you know, I look 188 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 4: back at at you know, when I was living in 189 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: that cult, and it was just I have a real 190 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 4: hard time coming up with any good memories. And the 191 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 4: whole thing was meant to make our lives better, but 192 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: it didn't. 193 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: What sort of cult was it? 194 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 4: It's it was like a small religious Christian cult, and 195 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 4: like you know, everything company, you know, uh was owned 196 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 4: by the cult. You know, all of your whole paycheck 197 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 4: was basically signed over that you live in the the 198 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 4: you know, community owned property. It's it's kind of stolen 199 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: as hell. 200 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: But all all of these commune type things, uh nearly 201 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 2: all have this utopian streak in them, and they end 202 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: up they end up hurting people. So so what was 203 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: the what? So? What was the what was the basis 204 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: of this that if you let a Christian communist life 205 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: it worked. 206 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, well they seem to believe that the original Christians 207 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 4: lived communally, so they had to kind of go back 208 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,119 Speaker 4: to the original pure. 209 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: Kind of so good, So why was it? Why was 210 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: it hellish? 211 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 4: There was just no freedom of thought, no freedom of expression, 212 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: no ability to improve your own life, and uh, you know, 213 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 4: as always somebody who you don't trust controlling all of 214 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: your time, all of your everything. You just don't really 215 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 4: exist as an individual. And eventually you feel like you're 216 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,359 Speaker 4: about to be extinguished. 217 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: Did the cult leaders sleep with the women? 218 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 4: I really don't want to talk about that. Why I 219 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,239 Speaker 4: should honor my mother and my father. 220 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: Because you should honor your father and mother. Okay, yeah, 221 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: well okay, and they would know, and they would know 222 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: that you called. 223 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: Uh no, But I just okay, it's a very painful topic, 224 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 4: and we could leave it down, all right. 225 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: And we will all right, we will leave it at that, 226 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: And I thank you. But I infer from the response 227 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: that that my generalization is accurate. The cult leaders have 228 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: very are manipulating people's desire to have a great society. 229 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: Hitler did it? We we we will have we will 230 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: clean out the undesirables. Noticed too, by the way, that 231 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: that the utopian has a lot of undesirables. There's a 232 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: very long list of undesirable people, whether it's sinners or 233 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: or heretics or what have you. It's a very it's 234 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: a very major part of it. See what is it 235 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: in humans that gravitates toward the towards a utopia. It 236 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: is the loathing of how messy life is part of 237 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: growing up, and people don't like to grow up. It 238 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: is a very hard thing to grow up. But part 239 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: of growing up is to acknowledge that life is messy, 240 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: that that's that's the way it is, both in the 241 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: personal realm and in the in the in the macro realm. 242 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: The reason that I fear all this uh tink tinkering 243 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: and tampering with American institutions in the name of making 244 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: the place even better and better and more equal and 245 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: less racist, and more just and more this is that 246 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: I know how good this country is compared to other places, 247 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: and that if we tamper too much with our institutions, 248 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: we will collapse. I've never compared the United States to 249 00:17:12,679 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: a utopian vision. Never I compare it to other places. 250 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: People do this to People do this on the micro level. 251 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: They compare their spouse, perhaps to a utopian spouse, or 252 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: of course they don't compare They don't really know a 253 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: better person living who would be a better wife or 254 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: a better husband. But they don't compare them to a 255 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: living husband or wife. They compare them to an imaginary 256 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: husband or wife who had all of the good things 257 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: of this one, and all of the good things of 258 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: this one, and all of the good things of this one. 259 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: I remember when I was a bachelor in my you know, 260 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: my premarital years, and I remember talking to male friends 261 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: and we would all speak about, oh, God, well if 262 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: I know who I want to marry, someone with her personality, 263 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: her looks, her brains, her body, and then I got, 264 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: I got, that's my woman. I would combine, you know, 265 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: or the guys would combine four women. And women do 266 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: this to men. Oh his ambition, his his energy, his kindness, 267 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: his sensitivity, his money. So the Utopian streak in the 268 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: human being. Oh, there was something perfect out there is 269 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: is micro as much as as macro. One eighth Prager 270 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 2: seven seven six is the number. We go to San 271 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: Francisco where there were a lot of Utopians. Clay, Hello, Clay, 272 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: Dennis Prager, Hi, Dennis. 273 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 5: I just have just wanted to make one comment that 274 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 5: my understanding is the word utopia was coined by Sir 275 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 5: Thomas Moore in his work called Utopia, but back in 276 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 5: the fifteen hundreds in England, and that he took the 277 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 5: word from from Greek and it means no place. 278 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: I didn't I knew the Sir Thomas Moore, but I 279 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: didn't know that that's what it meant. No play. That's terrific. 280 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: If that's true, that's terrific. If it's not true, you're 281 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: I'm coming after you. 282 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 5: Thank you, Dennis Froe. 283 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: I know I normally don't get that reaction. What a 284 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: Prager seven seven six is? The number eight seven seven 285 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: two four three triple seven to six. The Dennis Prager Show, 286 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 2: The Ultimate Issues Hour. 287 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. 288 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom. 289 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, you're listening to The Dennis Prager Show The 290 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: Ultimate Issues Hour, the hour each week which I devote 291 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: to some great issue of life. And anybody who promises 292 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: you a perfect society, whether it's a tiny, little communal 293 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: one or a whole society or whole world, is going 294 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: to give you hell. It is a law of life. 295 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: Heaven is available after this life, not in this life. 296 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean we try it. We don't try to make 297 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: it better. Of course we do, of course, but get 298 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: rid of all visions of the perfect society. Get rid 299 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: of all visions. By the way, when I have a 300 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: vision of the perfect society, I will tell you though 301 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: I have, actually I have a very simple one. This 302 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: is totally serious. If people, if people did not steal murder, 303 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: or lie. That would be it. That's all I ask. 304 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: That is all I ask. It sounds pretty easy. And 305 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: on the lying I'm even aware that there will be 306 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 2: some you know, fudging here and fudging there. Not even 307 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: utopian on the lying part. I'm utopian on the stealing 308 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: and the murder. But I would still be a flawed society. 309 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: You would still have jealousy, and you would still have rage, 310 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: and you would still have coveting, and you would even 311 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: there's still I mean, still be a lot of other things. 312 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: But my god, I'll tell you, the closest we could 313 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: ever get to utopia, in my opinion, is if people 314 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: just didn't do those things. That that's how that's how 315 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: good place it would be. But as for everything, how 316 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: could flawed people make a perfect society? I mean to 317 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: think about it, how stupid that is. That's like, that's 318 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 2: like asking flawed cells to make a perfect organism. The 319 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: organism can't be better than it's flawed members. All right, 320 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: let's go to uh Fatija in Philadelphia. Fatisa, Dennis Prager, 321 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: thank you for calling. 322 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: Oh you're doing Dennis, I'm a first time caller. 323 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: Pleasure to hear from you. 324 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to make a comment. I'm a Muslim, 325 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 3: and obviously I believe in the teachers of the Koran. 326 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: Are you a traditional Muslim or a black Muslim. 327 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 3: I'm a Muslim. I don't understand what you mean. 328 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: Well, no, because I'm saying this not that there's no agenda. 329 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 2: It's just the clarity thing. And you don't even have 330 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: to answer it. It's just that the traditional Muslim say 331 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 2: that there is a difference. But if you don't want 332 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: to answer it, don't worry about it. Go ahead. 333 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I would say that. 334 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: No. 335 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: In Islam, no, no, the Kharan teaches that there is 336 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: no such thing as a perfect world. The whole purpose 337 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 3: of creating earth is to try to be perfect, and 338 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: at the end, when your time has come, you will 339 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: go to heaven for hell. 340 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: Yes, well I wasn't. I wasn't speaking about Islam. I 341 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: was speaking about the Islamist the people who do believe 342 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: that if a Sharia bay society will be, it will 343 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 2: be a utopia. Well, therefore they're they're prepared to impose 344 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: it upon people. 345 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 3: Right right, which is which is the media according to 346 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 3: what I believe, is not the teaching of Islam. 347 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: Well, God bless you. My friend, just I want you 348 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: to speak up as much as you can. That's that's 349 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: my only request of you. Thank you for your call. Uh. 350 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: There is though, that is the appeal of the Islamist. 351 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: You see, look, we have all these problems in the 352 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: Arab and Muslims world. But if you just come to us, 353 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 2: you come to an Osama type figure who lives in 354 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: a cave, even with his billion dollars or millions of 355 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: dollars and strict adherence to the Shariah, and it will 356 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 2: end issues. You just put women in burkas and you 357 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: will end sexual tension after a lot of Burkah's about right, 358 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: it's all. It's only about sexual tension, So that's it. 359 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: Then then it's over. Then then there's no problem. Men 360 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: will all be at peace with their sexual natures because 361 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: the women will be invisible except for their wives. That's 362 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: what it's about. It's idiocy, it's evil, renders women into 363 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: non non human. But it sounds great. After all, Look 364 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: at the way this is the answer that is given. 365 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 2: Look at the way women parade their flesh in the 366 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: Western world, and you know that's that's much worse. There 367 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 2: is too much parading of flesh in the Western world. 368 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: But it sure isn't worse. I'll take liberty and parading 369 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: any day. One eight Prager seven seven six, and let's 370 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: go to Rudy in Houston. Rudy, Dennis Prager, thank you 371 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: for calling. 372 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 6: Hi, Dennis. You have one of the most interesting radio 373 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 6: talk shows. 374 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: Good, thank you, Thank you. 375 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 6: Dennis. You know, even though utopia is not attainable, secular 376 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 6: interest has not stopped from trying to attain or reach 377 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 6: the glorious conclusion of a globalist utopia. 378 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 2: That's right. I think that that the further left you go, 379 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: the more there is a utopian dream. I agree. It's 380 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: I will saying, you know. 381 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 6: You know, I sh beyond the left or right. I 382 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 6: think I think it's just a dialectical employ. 383 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: Or well wherever it is. Yep, that it is a 384 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: danger back in the moment. You're listening to the Dennis 385 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 2: Prager Show, specifically the Ultimate Issues Hour. Each week. This 386 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: hour is devoted to some great, great question of life, 387 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: great issue of life. Anybody who promises you anything, even 388 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 2: like a perfect society, is going to give you hell. 389 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: You should fear them, stop them and loathe them. They 390 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 2: even if they mean well, I couldn't care less. That's 391 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 2: why they say the road to hell is paved with 392 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: good intentions, because it is paved often with good intentions, 393 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: whether it is secular or religious. Anyone who promises or 394 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: says you follow me, or you follow even this way 395 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: and you will make a perfect society is going to 396 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: give you hell. You can make a good society. We 397 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: have a good society. It's already been made. It's called 398 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: the United States of America. It's not perfect, but it's 399 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: good because I don't compare it to utopia. I compare 400 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: it to real life. And that is what the left 401 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 2: is incapable of understanding today because it has a utopian 402 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 2: streak in it. One of the reasons it has a 403 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: utopian stripe is because in secular life, there is no afterlife. 404 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: So as whereas the religious will have a heaven after 405 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: we die, the secular want heaven while we live. This 406 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: is why Marx hated religion. He said, oh, you know 407 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: why the you know why the religious never revolt because 408 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: religion is an opiate. It's the opiate of the people. 409 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: That's what he meant. It puts it puts them to 410 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: sleep because it says you'll have heaven in the next world. Now, 411 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: by the way, to a certain extent, that was true, 412 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: but but it's it was wildly overstated. But the religious 413 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: are more or at least in our traditions, are more 414 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: capable in Western religious life, of accepting suffering, of accepting 415 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: less than utopia, in part because of a belief in 416 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 2: the in the in the afterlife, in heaven after we die. Now, 417 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: that's not good if you don't try to make this 418 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: world better. You have to have a balance. You can't 419 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 2: rely on the afterlife and say nothing matters here. And 420 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: at the same time, you can't say everything matters here 421 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: and we better make heaven here. No, we can't make 422 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 2: heaven here. Alrighty, let's go to Carson, California and Chris 423 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: Chris Dennis Prager. Thank you for calling, Dennis. 424 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 7: I love your show and I'm totally addicted to it. 425 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: It's a good addiction. Thank you. 426 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 7: Well. As a young man, my vision of utopia was 427 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 7: always Bedford Falls, you know that town from It's a 428 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 7: Wonderful Life Stewart lived. 429 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I understand that. I totally understand that 430 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 2: I have that danger that I have to fight as 431 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 2: well about utopianizing parts of America. Go ahead. 432 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 7: Well, what happened is that the more I clung to 433 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 7: that utopian vision, the more the stronger my allegiance was 434 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 7: to that, the more viciously intolerant I was becoming. 435 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: Oh that's what I was saying. That so boil it, sure, 436 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 2: because any people, anybody who disagrees with you, is messing 437 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 2: up utopia. 438 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 7: Exactly exactly. I think that's where all the venom comes 439 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 7: from the Left is the stronger their allegiance to their 440 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 7: vision of utopian, they have to be intolerant of everything else. 441 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. That's how Michael Moore could go to 442 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: Cuba and speak about how beautiful it is, even though 443 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: it's a hell hole, even though if you differ, if 444 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: you have independent thought, you are sent away to a 445 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: prison that people risk their lives to be eaten by 446 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: sharks rather than live there. But that doesn't matter. They 447 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: have perfect health care. 448 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, Consequently, the joy that I found is that 449 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 7: it's not in finding the utopian perfection. It's embracing and 450 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 7: forgiving what is imperfect, that's. 451 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: Right, and trying to make it a little better. A 452 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: little better is beautiful, is just beautiful. But you're right, 453 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: you have done well. You have done well. Thank God 454 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: that you have evolved into that view. I appreciate that call, 455 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: and we go to let's go to Brea, California. John, Hello, John, 456 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: Dennis Praeger. 457 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 8: Well, Hi there, Hi. You know, it kind of amazes 458 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 8: me how throughout history, every time some societies have tried 459 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 8: to uh curb the appetites of sexual behavior, they've backfired. 460 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 8: So the Sharia people are doing that, of course, and 461 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 8: like in the even Victoria age, you know, men became 462 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 8: fixated on ankles because that's about all they could ever see, 463 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,239 Speaker 8: you our arms. So to try to curb it is 464 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 8: throughout history should show them that it's a terrible idea. Well, 465 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 8: it always has a backlash. 466 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: Well, on the other hand, well. 467 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 8: The backlash is usually worse than anything that they're trying 468 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 8: to say. 469 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: No, your your you're you are right. But at the 470 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: same time, not curbing it at all gives you a 471 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: sexual bombard meant that we are now experiencing. I'm that's 472 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: also unhealthy. That's why I agree. I agree. I'm explaining 473 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 2: though that you don't want the other extreme. I'm on 474 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: your side. There are look, lot, the only good life 475 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: is a balanced one, and it is very hard to 476 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: be balanced. Sex is a classic example of the attempt 477 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: to spectacularly repress it or the other attempt to allow 478 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: it an unfettered expression. They are both extremes that hurt 479 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: the world and hurt individuals in it. Which is what 480 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: I'm which is what I'm ultimately talking about. That's correct, 481 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: Spring Hill, Florida. Brian, Hello, Brian, Dennis Praeger. 482 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 9: Good morning, Dennis. As a as a senior at university, 483 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 9: I was asked to write a paper on utopian societies 484 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 9: and I involved a lot of research. And in that research, 485 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 9: I actually came across a company who offers, for a 486 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 9: price to build you your own utope in society in 487 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 9: a small city somewhere in. 488 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: America, based on lots specifications or whose specifications. 489 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 9: Well, they offer two different plans, both of them very liberal, 490 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 9: I might add, uh huh, but both of them involve 491 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 9: this division of a green sort of. 492 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 2: Oh what is the name of the what is the 493 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: what is the name of the website? 494 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 9: Heavenhellpurgatory dot com? 495 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: What a riot? I got to check that out. Well, 496 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: that is, people have it. It's a very big deal. 497 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: And that's why I said earlier. Please keep this in 498 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: mind many people who are secular will be utopian because 499 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: there is no heaven available in their view of the 500 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: world because they're secular after death, so they better have 501 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: heaven here, but it's not available here, so they'll make 502 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: hell trying to make the heaven here. Final segment coming 503 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: up one eighth Prager seven seven six. 504 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: Episode of Timeless Wisdom. We'll continue right after this. Now 505 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom. 506 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: Incidentally, everybody, Dennis Prager here, I've gotten some wonderful feedback 507 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: for the idea of starting Praguer groups in your various 508 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 2: cities to meet one another who listened to the show, 509 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: and so if you're interested in helping form one or 510 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: join one, send me an email through Prager Radio or 511 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: Dennispraguer dot com, either one. And it does help with 512 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 2: and I'm saying this with a slight criticism here, I 513 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 2: admit if you put the city you live in merely 514 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: telling me that you're interested in doing that, and it 515 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: was not the more common. Mostly people did say where 516 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: they are, and it would help to give any information 517 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: you can about yourself. But just say you're interested with 518 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: no city even does not does not help us much, 519 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: but I really, I really would love to start this. 520 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: I think it would be a magnificent thing for you 521 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: and and for the values that I care about, but 522 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: especially for you to meet each other. Uh and uh 523 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: and and talk about these things. Well, I've talked to 524 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 2: you today at the in this Ultimate Issues Hour. Let's 525 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: let's get let's see you African sneak in a couple 526 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: of calls here, and then I'll sum up. It's really 527 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: really uh really critical Cleveland and Irene, Hello, Irene. Dennis Praeger. 528 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 8: Yes, it's a positive pleasure. That is, I think a 529 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 8: lot of the people who push you topia push it 530 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 8: on people who are dissatisfied and they just want to 531 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 8: take control, because it's interesting that when they get into 532 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 8: power they generally don't follow. 533 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: Their rules, not generally always that you're so right that 534 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: it's such a yep, it's such a good point. You 535 00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: look at how Stalin lived while creating a worker's utopia 536 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: of equality exactly or Mao oh oh, Now you have 537 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 2: to read some of the biographies of Mao that are 538 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 2: now coming out, and people who in my generation who 539 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: marched with Mao's Red Book or mal Buttons or maw 540 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 2: Mao Jackets to honor the greatest mass murderer in history 541 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: by numbers alone, but that it is appealing. We have 542 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: seen the future and it works. That is what British 543 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 2: socialists said when they went to the Soviet Union in 544 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 2: the twenties and no the thirties. We have seen the 545 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 2: future and it works. Everybody. Uh, this was what the 546 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: left was about. Is a utopianism. That's why you can't 547 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: argue with many of them. I'm talking about the real 548 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 2: hardcore left, not talking about your average liberal. And of 549 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 2: course you can have it elsewhere in the Islamist as 550 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: this picture of the world governed by Shariah, and if 551 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 2: I have to blow up people to get it, I'll 552 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 2: blow up people because I will have a beautiful world. Folks. 553 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 2: Life is messy. We can make it a little better. 554 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 2: And that's the best all of us can do. Any 555 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: of us can do is make it a little better. 556 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 2: The human being can make the world a lot worse, 557 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: but not a lot better. You can make it a 558 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: little better, and you can make it a lot worse. 559 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 2: That's our choice. This has been the Ultimate Issues hour 560 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 2: on the Dennis Prager Show. 561 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: Tomorrow on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prigger. 562 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 2: How important are memories to happiness? Now, bad memories, Let's 563 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 2: say you were abused as a child. That continues, That 564 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 2: continues to affect many people's happiness. One of the major 565 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 2: reasons for therapy is to expunge bad memories. So, obviously 566 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 2: memories contribute to our unhappiness. That's I think fairly obvious. 567 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: But here's the big question. Do good memories contribute to 568 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: our happiness? 569 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: Join us tomorrow to hear more on Timeless Wisdom with 570 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: Dennis Prager. This has been timeless wisdom with Dennis Prager. 571 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: Visit Dennispragger dot com for thousands of hours if Dennis's lecturers, 572 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: courses and classic radio programs, and to purchase Dennis Prager's 573 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: Rational Bibles. 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