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Speaker 1: All right, we got to interview pod for you today

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Speaker 1: and it is a good one.

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Speaker 4: Two fantastic guests. We have Undersecretary of War.

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Speaker 1: And Neil Michael, who is part of that tight knit

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Speaker 1: group that runs our Pentagon and the biggest bureaucracy on Earth,

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Speaker 1: I think, and someone who's integral to innovating and making

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Speaker 1: comes to AI, keeping an eye on risks but also

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Speaker 1: trying to glean benefits from it. And then we've got

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Speaker 1: doctor Brian Christine, who is one of the admirals, one

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Speaker 1: of the I think it's eight or so uniformed medical

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Speaker 1: who is.

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Speaker 4: Drawing off of his Catholic faith. Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So to create a culture of life in the United

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Speaker 1: want assistant suicide. That's the main folks of the conversation there.

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Speaker 1: These are two really impressive people, and I enjoy these

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Speaker 4: I think you will too. Check them out all right,

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Speaker 4: New guests to the show who I've been excited to

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Speaker 4: talk to you for a while.

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Speaker 1: Undersecretary of War Emil Michael is here. Under Secretary is

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Speaker 1: really nice to speak with you, And a lot of

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Speaker 1: what made me really want to discuss what's going on

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Speaker 1: is because we're in this AI moment of vast expansion,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people see this as a point

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Speaker 1: of great optimism because it can really revolutionize how we

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Speaker 1: do so many things in our lives, including and maybe

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Speaker 1: especially war fighting. But also there's a lot of anxiety

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Speaker 1: I think over this, particularly for more of a populist audience,

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Speaker 1: AI in certain ways. This could be great commercial opportunities,

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Speaker 1: but it's also something that could make our fighting forces stronger.

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Speaker 4: But I feel like a lot of my.

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Speaker 1: Audience very skeptical of this, but not only for bad reasons.

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Speaker 1: I know that's sort of a big broad treatise of

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Speaker 1: It's kind of your role, what you guys are doing

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Speaker 1: and what you think an audience like mine needs to hear.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be happy to talk, and I think I'm

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Speaker 5: on the optimist side of things that AI in the

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Speaker 5: Take out a lot of the mundane tasks from a

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Speaker 5: the Department of War, it's going to help us organize

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Speaker 5: the secretary he sets like main objectives is if you're strong,

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Speaker 5: you will deter aggression and you'll deter wars and conflict.

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Speaker 5: And AI can help with that in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 5: First of all, you could synthesize intelligence like much more quickly.

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Speaker 5: You could take satellite imagery from fifty years and train

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Speaker 5: what's happening in the world, which protects our war fighters.

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Speaker 5: Right you could do it. You could obviously improve the

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Speaker 5: operations in a Pentagon. It's not like we're not known

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Anthropic, because this has been the

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Speaker 5: winners because of their political philosophy, and they quickly before

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Speaker 5: And number two, the terms have to let us do

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Speaker 5: So the way it would happen is that of the

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Speaker 5: the software guardrails could have automatically clicked in without any

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Speaker 5: In this case, it was trying to bring an indicted

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Speaker 5: United States price trial. So there's lots of different ways

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Speaker 5: Because remember, Anthrobic has its own constitution, not corporate value,

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Speaker 1: So how does if you're like an investor, what do

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Speaker 5: The supply chain risk is also we don't want companies

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Speaker 5: Second thing I'm most excited about is Golden Dome. Golden

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that day. What's the future there?

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Speaker 2: I think that.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny when I was helping the run

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Speaker 5: uber back in twenty fifteen, sixteen seventeen, we thought fully

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Speaker 5: autonomous cars were like two years away, and here we

444
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Speaker 5: are almost ten years, ten years right right, and they're

445
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Speaker 5: just starting to crack in a few cities. And the

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Speaker 5: other thing to note is they're going to crack certain

447
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Speaker 5: use cases like are they going to go up a

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Speaker 5: mountain hill? Are they going to go down like the

449
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Speaker 5: four or five in LA? Are they going to be

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Speaker 5: in New York City? Traffic in every scenario rains leader snow.

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Speaker 5: So there's still advancements, but I think the pace of

452
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Speaker 5: advancements is increasing, but until they're ubiquitous is still going

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Speaker 5: to be a while.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I think so too, But I was

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Speaker 1: I was reading heavily against it. I was probably making

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Speaker 1: fun of a lot of those predictions ten years ago,

457
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Speaker 1: and now I kind of wish they came true because

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Speaker 1: I'm just sick of sitting in traffic, so I'm looking

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Speaker 1: more that Under Secretary Michael. Really nice to meet you,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully we can make this a semi regular thing.

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Speaker 2: That'd be great. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: Very pleased to have the Assistant Secretary for Health at

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Speaker 1: the Department of Health and Human Services and the head

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Speaker 1: of the United States Public Health Services Commission CORP, Admiral

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Speaker 1: Brian Christine, who's also a doctor. Incredible background. Admiral, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for making the time. You also have

468
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Speaker 1: an amazing piece for us that's up at Brightbart News

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Speaker 1: that I'll link in the show notes about how America

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Speaker 1: needs a culture of care not a culture of death

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Speaker 1: with really speaks to me.

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Speaker 4: And what's interesting.

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Speaker 1: About your background is not just your military background, but

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Speaker 1: also you're a doctor, which seems to be pretty rare,

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Speaker 1: but you also draw a lot from your Catholic faith

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Speaker 1: faith as well, which makes kind of a compelling mosaic

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Speaker 1: of I would say core values. And why does that

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Speaker 1: unique combination, Why do you think that can help us

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Speaker 1: at this moment in terms of how we manage our

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Speaker 1: care in this country.

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Speaker 3: No, Alex, thank you, thank you for letting me be

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Speaker 3: on here today. Thank you for asking those questions. I think,

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Speaker 3: as I state in the op ed, what we need

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Speaker 3: is a culture of caring. And we see this this March,

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Speaker 3: the momentum behind states approving laws that allow medically as

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Speaker 3: medical assistance in dying euthanasia. New York Governor Hochel in

487
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Speaker 3: February signed the Medical Assistance and Dying Act into law.

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Speaker 3: That's the thirteenth state that now has on the books

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Speaker 3: legislation that allows assistance in dying euthanasia. And I think

490
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Speaker 3: that March, that momentum is such that we have to

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Speaker 3: speak out against it. Here at the Department of Health

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Speaker 3: and Human Services, we do not so medical assistance and dying.

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Speaker 3: We don't support euthanasia, and I think it's important to

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Speaker 3: speak about that. So I'm really happy to be on

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Speaker 3: here with you today.

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Speaker 4: Great and just as a thought exercise.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people in this audience are going to

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Speaker 1: be against those things anyway, but it is important to

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Speaker 1: hear because we run into people at the carpool eide,

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Speaker 1: at the barbecue, at the baseball game and they disagree

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Speaker 1: with us. What is the pitch to someone who does

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Speaker 1: think that you should be able to just have the

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Speaker 1: right to die, so to.

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Speaker 3: Speak, Yeah, I think assistance in dying or euthanasia. Again,

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Speaker 3: it's not that here. I don't and we don't at HHS.

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Speaker 3: We don't deny that suffering is real. I'm a surgeon,

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Speaker 3: I practice for over thirty years. I understand that suffering

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Speaker 3: is real. However, just because someone suffers doesn't eliminate that

509
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Speaker 3: innate dignity they have as being a human. For me,

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Speaker 3: as a Catholic Christian, that innate dignity because we are

511
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Speaker 3: all made in the image and likeness of God. But

512
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Speaker 3: how everyone wants to define their inner ethos, we all

513
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Speaker 3: have a dignity by being human, every man, woman, and child,

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Speaker 3: and saying that you can simply snuff out life because

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Speaker 3: there is suffering really speaks against that inherent dignity. These

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Speaker 3: laws say that they're trying to prevent suffering in patience,

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Speaker 3: but if you look at the individuals who choose assisted death,

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Speaker 3: the vast majority of them choose that because they don't

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Speaker 3: want to be quote a burden to other individuals, or

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Speaker 3: they've lost autonomy. But if simply losing autonomy or requiring

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Speaker 3: the assistance of others, if that simply is what gives

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Speaker 3: you dignity, then that means every little baby or every

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Speaker 3: little child would have a loss of dignity, or someone

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Speaker 3: who is physically impaired or cognitively impaired, that would mean

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Speaker 3: they have a loss of dignity, and that's simply not true.

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Speaker 3: So again, taking life in this way is really argues

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Speaker 3: against or speaks against the inherent dignity that we believe

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Speaker 3: every man, woman and child has.

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Speaker 1: So one thing that I think is noteworthy and relevant

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Speaker 1: is that you can kind of cherry pack examples of

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Speaker 1: people who are trying to get youthanized for sort of

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Speaker 1: regular mental health issues that people face, or perhaps that

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Speaker 1: someone is very youthful, maybe they're a legal adult, but

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Speaker 1: of maybe their mind isn't fully formed yet. You see

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Speaker 1: some of those horror stories in other countries, but we

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Speaker 1: do see stories of people who are suffering in a

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Speaker 1: very profound way, and this is stuff to grapple with

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Speaker 1: that's challenging if you want to.

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Speaker 4: Have a culture of life. So let's take some of

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Speaker 4: that on.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that we've got a culture where we're trying

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Speaker 1: to promote life, but also we do acknowledge that there

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Speaker 1: is a very extreme level of suffering where your quality

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Speaker 1: of life is very low. Why do we feel like

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Speaker 1: those people should try to live until natural life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think again it goes back to that

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Speaker 3: inherent dignity and goes back to the fact that again, men,

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Speaker 3: women and child, everyone has this dignity. And when cultures

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Speaker 3: begin to say, well, we're going to simply assist people

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Speaker 3: in dying because they're suffering too much, that's a really

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Speaker 3: slippery slope. If you look at Canada, in Canada, the

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Speaker 3: fifth leading cause of death is medically assist to death.

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Speaker 3: The fifth leading cause of death is medically assist to death,

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Speaker 3: and there have been individuals in Canada who donated their

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Speaker 3: organs after their medically assist to death. Again, this is

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Speaker 3: an incredible slippery slope to look at. In some countries

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Speaker 3: over in Europe, for instance the Netherlands, they're now extending

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Speaker 3: this ability to be euthanized to youth and for mental illness.

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Speaker 3: So it's a terrible slippery slope. And unfortunately, if we

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Speaker 3: don't recognize that dignity, if we don't stand firm in

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Speaker 3: supporting life, then invariably things head that way. And we

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Speaker 3: don't think that's right at all, and so we want

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Speaker 3: to stand strong against this and speak against this How big.

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Speaker 4: Of a threat is it right now?

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Speaker 1: Because it feels like this is something that we talk

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Speaker 1: about on a theoretical level, by I really have a

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Speaker 1: lot of data in terms of how hard this is

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Speaker 1: being pushed and from where, and whether or not you

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Speaker 1: feel like things are on a good trajectory or a

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Speaker 1: bad trajectory.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's a good trajectory. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: New York became the thirteenth state to enact into law

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Speaker 3: this legislation, and these numbers are growing over time, and

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Speaker 3: that seems to be accelerating. So that's why we're speaking

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Speaker 3: out against this. We think it's tremendously important to speak

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Speaker 3: because again, if you will, the momentum is picking up

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Speaker 3: on that side. We need to stand against it. We

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Speaker 3: need to speak against it again, to speak again, and

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Speaker 3: to recognize that inherent dignity. And I come back to

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Speaker 3: that word dignity, because I think it's so incredibly important

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Speaker 3: we all have that as men, women, children, as humans,

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Speaker 3: we have that dignity and to say we can simply

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Speaker 3: snuff out life that speaks against it. And one of

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Speaker 3: the things that these laws always say is they say, well,

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Speaker 3: we're just gonna we're just gonna limit this to someone

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Speaker 3: who is terminally ill and they have less than six

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Speaker 3: months to live. Let me tell you, I'm a physician,

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Speaker 3: I'm a surgeon. I've practiced for over three decades, and

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Speaker 3: trying to predict how long someone is going to live

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Speaker 3: that doesn't work out well. I have known many patients

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Speaker 3: who who were told they were facing death within a

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Speaker 3: matter of months, and then a year, two, three years

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Speaker 3: later they're still here. So again, that doesn't hold up.

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Speaker 3: We have to stop it, we have to speak against it,

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Speaker 3: and that's exactly what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: You find that people in the medical community push this,

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Speaker 1: because this is where I've been very disappointed by the

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Speaker 1: medical community. My wife's a physician, and so I know

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Speaker 1: many doctors, and I feel like there's been a weakness

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Speaker 1: to some degree because I feel like what you're describing

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Speaker 1: is so accurate. She's an oncologist, so she's constantly dealing

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Speaker 1: with death, and so often her patients overperform, and you

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Speaker 1: would think it's a two years left, and then you

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Speaker 1: know they live five, ten more years, maybe more. And

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Speaker 1: it's so common, and people act like there's because it's

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Speaker 1: a science, and you know, the answer ahead of time.

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Speaker 1: You don't always know the answer when you to diagnosed this,

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Speaker 1: and you don't know how technology is going to develop,

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Speaker 1: and how new pharmacuts, new options, you treatments develop. And

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Speaker 1: it's one of these things where culture where you give

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Speaker 1: up on life is just so toxic.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly that's exactly right. No, we can't always predict

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Speaker 3: and oftentimes you can't predict how long someone is going

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Speaker 3: to live. Again, your wife has seen this as noncologist.

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Speaker 3: I've seen this as a surgeon, and so that's a

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Speaker 3: very dangerous thing to say, well, we're just gonna we're

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Speaker 3: gonna limit this to folks who only have six months

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Speaker 3: to live. You can't accurately predict that. And that's the

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Speaker 3: bottom line. So again, I would rather stand on the

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Speaker 3: side of saying, no, we don't take these individuals. We

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Speaker 3: don't simply kill them because we think that they've only

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Speaker 3: got a short time left to live. You can't bank

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Speaker 3: on that. It's not right. And again this is part

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Speaker 3: of our ethos here at the Department of Health and

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Speaker 3: Human Services. We recognize the dignity of individuals. We want

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Speaker 3: to work for life and for health and to make

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Speaker 3: this country healthier, not simply to snuff out or end

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Speaker 3: life because people become a burden.

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Speaker 4: Think about that.

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Speaker 3: If that was true, every little child who depends on

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Speaker 3: their parents would be quote a burden or would not

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Speaker 3: have autonomy. Terrible reason to kill someone.

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Speaker 1: So talking about the culture and HHS now, which is

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Speaker 1: it's been a huge departure I think ideologically. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you think about the fact that you speak so

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Speaker 1: openly and write openly about your faith and how that

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Speaker 1: informs your career in medicine and sciences, I find that

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Speaker 1: to be wonderful and refreshing. But it's a very stark

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Speaker 1: contrast from the last administration, where there were people who

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Speaker 1: seem to almost be flaunting science as we had always

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Speaker 1: known it.

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Speaker 4: And we're appointed to very high up roles.

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Speaker 1: I'm picturing a couple of people in particular that I

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Speaker 1: don't need to name in the moment here, but culturally

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Speaker 1: it has to be totally different over there, and I

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Speaker 1: want to know what your observations are in that regard.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's exactly right. I believe this administration

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Speaker 3: is an administration that really recognizes that deeply held religious

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Speaker 3: beliefs are to be honored and to be protected. Conscience

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Speaker 3: protections are very important for Secretary Kennedy and for President Trump.

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Speaker 3: So we really believe that individuals who have faith that

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Speaker 3: we have to protect those, protect those deeply held religious beliefs.

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Speaker 3: We don't simply tell you have to check your religion

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Speaker 3: or check your faith at the door to come work

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Speaker 3: in this administration. We celebrate that people if they have

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Speaker 3: those beliefs, if they have deeply held religious beliefs really

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Speaker 3: No, well, I think President Trump and Secretary Kenny have

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Speaker 3: said many times every abortion is a tragedy. We believe

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Speaker 3: again that life is sacred from the moment of conception

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Speaker 3: until natural death, especially those individuals who are sick, those

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Speaker 3: individuals who are elderly, the individuals that laws like we're

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Speaker 3: talking about would be most frequently applied to. We believe

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Speaker 3: you have to protect those individuals, not simply write them

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Speaker 3: off as being life not worthy of life. That's a

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Speaker 3: really dangerous concept, a really dangerous way to look at things.

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Speaker 1: Being alive and being a person are two different things.

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Speaker 1: He says the embryo is biologically alive, but most people

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Speaker 1: believe the embryo is not a legal person. I just

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Speaker 1: I don't you have to contort yourself into knots to

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Speaker 1: have that rationale. And I just think that that's what's

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Speaker 1: so important to note, is that they're just really straining

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Speaker 1: to come up with something so a praise how we've

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Speaker 1: done in terms of the progressive movement and people.

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Speaker 4: Who are claiming that they have monopoly.

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Speaker 1: In compassion because it feels like those are the ones

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Speaker 1: who are creating this culture of death.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I don't think that the left has a

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Speaker 3: monopoly on compassion. As you said, Certainly that's not true.

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Speaker 3: We certainly have great compassion at the Department of Health

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Speaker 3: and Human Services. We really care about the health of

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Speaker 3: this country. We really care about making Americans healthier, making

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Speaker 3: America a better place. Everything that we do under Secretary

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Speaker 3: Kennedy here at HHS is designed to make America healthier again.

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Speaker 3: From our dietary guidelines, the way we combat chronic disease,

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Speaker 3: how we're improving affordability of health care, and ways like

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Speaker 3: never done before. Everything that we do is because we

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Speaker 3: care about the health of Americans. We care about Americans.

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Speaker 3: That's the way we demonsh straight our compassion by making

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Speaker 3: this country better and healthier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so well stated, I want to ask about some

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Speaker 1: of the data on people who would like assistant suicide,

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Speaker 1: would like to be euthanized.

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Speaker 4: Do you find that.

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Speaker 1: Those people are always of sound mind and they have

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Speaker 1: a really legitimate rationale, that it's just about pain and

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Speaker 1: suffering and it's not some other reason.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, that's what Oftentimes, individuals who propose these laws

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Speaker 3: and support these laws say that they want to eliminate suffering.

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Speaker 3: That's the reason to enact the law. But when you

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Speaker 3: talk to individuals or when they survey individuals who choose

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Speaker 3: assisted suicide, it's usually not about suffering, usually not about pain.

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Speaker 3: What it's about is that they are worried. They worry

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Speaker 3: about becoming a loss of autonomy or becoming a burden

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Speaker 3: on others. That's the real reason that motivates them. And

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Speaker 3: what I think that speaks to the fact that in

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Speaker 3: our culture that perhaps there's not amongst many, there is

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Speaker 3: not a value placed on realizing that just when individuals

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Speaker 3: who who might have a loss of autonomy, individuals who

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Speaker 3: are like we said, cognitively impaired, who are elderly, that's

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Speaker 3: when they need our protection and our love and our

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Speaker 3: support the most. We simply don't write them off as

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Speaker 3: a life unworthy of living. And so it's not when

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Speaker 3: individuals choose or head in the direction of medically assisted death,

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Speaker 3: it's not because they're worried about suffering by the numbers

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Speaker 3: again by surveys. It's because they don't want to have

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Speaker 3: a loss of autonomy or be a burden. Again when

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Speaker 3: individuals are suffering a loss of autonomy, and I always

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Speaker 3: go back to the example of the elderly for instance,

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Speaker 3: when my father was becoming very elderly and he couldn't

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Speaker 3: didn't have the autonomy he did, that didn't mean his

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Speaker 3: life with was not worth living anymore. Or the young

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Speaker 3: child or the sick individual. That's the individuals who need

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Speaker 3: our compassion and our protection the most.

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Speaker 1: So in your article at Breitbart, you specifically reference Pope

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Speaker 1: John Paul the Second's Evangelium Vitae, which is on the

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Speaker 1: sacred value of human life from beginning to end. This

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Speaker 1: is something that I and really moved and relieved that

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Speaker 1: you feel comfortable writing about this in when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the actual policy positions of our government. But because

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Speaker 1: our society has really overlooked Christian, particularly Catholic beliefs, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like that this is an important point that

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Speaker 1: are we able to embrace a Christian outlook on things

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Speaker 1: as a Judeo Christian nation? Are we able to do

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Speaker 1: this without interference from people who are obsessed with the

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Speaker 1: fact that we can have a state sponsored religion, which

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Speaker 1: is not what you're suggesting. You're just suggesting that there's

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Speaker 1: some good values here that you can draw from these faiths.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Ilex, a great question, and yes, you're right.

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Speaker 3: I did represent reference Saint John Paul. I like to

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Speaker 3: call him Saint John Paul the Great because I think

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Speaker 3: just an amazing man, an amazing saint, and as a

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Speaker 3: Catholic Christian, really I gravitate toward his writings, and I

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Speaker 3: gravitate toward his his theology and Evangeli m Vite was

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Speaker 3: just a beautiful encyclical where he does talk about the

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Speaker 3: beauty of life, the joy, the Gospel of life. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's so important for our time to always

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Speaker 3: go back and read letters and writings of men and

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Speaker 3: popes like Pope John Paul. So it definitely informs me.

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Speaker 3: I'm not uncomfortable at all referencing that my Catholic ethos

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Speaker 3: guides me. I'm here to serve President Trump. I'm here

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Speaker 3: to serve our republic and serve Secretary Kennedy. But my

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Speaker 3: Catholic ethos guides me. And again, in this administration, we

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Speaker 3: don't make people who want to serve check their religion

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Speaker 3: at the door. We don't do that. We understand that

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Speaker 3: informs us, and that's important to help guide us how

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Speaker 3: do we make America great again and how we make

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Speaker 3: America healthier.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I always thought that freedom of religion means you actually

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Speaker 1: are free to have a religion and not to be

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Speaker 1: free from religion. But that was a place where a

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Speaker 1: lot of people I grew up with in the LA area.

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Speaker 1: It certainly different with me on that. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the proponents of assistant suicide laws. They always

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Speaker 1: seem to suggest that there are some safeguards in play.

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Speaker 1: Are the safeguards that are proposed, like maybe some time

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Speaker 1: limits or people who have been given a certain amount

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Speaker 1: of time to live or really are terminally ill. Do

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Speaker 1: you find that that any of this is workable or adequate?

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Speaker 3: I think it's a slippery slope. I do as I said,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a slippery slope. Yes, they say there

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Speaker 3: are these safeguards, but if you look at other countries

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Speaker 3: that have been doing this longer, for instance the Netherlands,

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Speaker 3: for instance, these safeguards seem to dribble away. And so

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Speaker 3: I'm worried the term slippery slope can be overused. But

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Speaker 3: I am worried that this is a slope, that this

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Speaker 3: is a problem for us, that even though we say

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Speaker 3: there are these safeguards, that they're not going to stand

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Speaker 3: up over time. Once a society believes that you can simply.

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Speaker 4: Take life like that.

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Speaker 3: For individuals, how you think lose their dignity because they

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Speaker 3: don't have the autonomy they once did. They don't have

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Speaker 3: the ability to do things they want to did. Once

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Speaker 3: a society decides that, then I think it's Katie bar

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Speaker 3: the doors. How far it could go? And that's a

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Speaker 3: real fear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that brings me to the next question, which

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Speaker 1: is about children. And that's one thing that I worry

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Speaker 1: is and we've seen this in other cultures where they

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Speaker 1: just keep expanding these laws until children are potentially it

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Speaker 1: could be in harm's way here. I don't think we've

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Speaker 1: done a very good job of protecting our children from

839
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Speaker 1: social contagion lately in this country, and I fear that

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Speaker 1: this could be the next thing.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree, and right now that's not the case

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Speaker 3: in this country, but again, we see that in other

843
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Speaker 3: countries like you're referencing, and I fear that that's going

844
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Speaker 3: to happen over time, even here. So it's important that

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Speaker 3: we stand up against this now, and we stand up

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Speaker 3: really strongly. And that's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wonderful And the last one for today, Admiral, and

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Speaker 1: really appreciate again that you're here. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about end of life. I want to be proactive your

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Speaker 1: end of life care recommendation from the HHS. When we're

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Speaker 1: running far away from we're going to help people in

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Speaker 1: their own lives, what are we running towards.

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Speaker 3: I think what we're running toward is that we want

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Speaker 3: to make Americans healthier. We want to make America as

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Speaker 3: a country healthier, and we want to respect individuals. One

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Speaker 3: of the things that is so important to Secretary Kennedy

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Speaker 3: is always going by gold standard science, and so we

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Speaker 3: back up everything that we say, everything we do with

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Speaker 3: gold standard science. Again, that goes from our dietary guidelines

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Speaker 3: to our improved drug pricing. We're always being backed up

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Speaker 3: by science, and so what we want are to make

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Speaker 3: individuals healthier, to make the country healthier as a whole,

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Speaker 3: if we can reduce chronic disease, obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease.

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Speaker 3: I mean, most of healthcare spending in this country goes

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Speaker 3: toward treating chronic disease. Our dietary guidelines, for instance, are

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Speaker 3: directed toward really helping people eat healthier because we know

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Speaker 3: that will reduce the incidence of chronic disease. So what

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Speaker 3: we're trying to do is make the country healthier, make

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Speaker 3: individuals even more autonomous, if you will, trying to give

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Speaker 3: them the health and the strength to be able to

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Speaker 3: live the life of the way they want to. So

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Speaker 3: everything that we do at the Department of Health and

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Speaker 3: Human Services is geared toward making the country healthier, having

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Speaker 3: more affordable. Honestly, you've heard people talk about most favored

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Speaker 3: trumparx dot gov. We are reducing the cost of drugs

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Speaker 3: in ways never done before. Things are so much more

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Speaker 3: affordable again. All of this is going to go to

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Speaker 3: making the country healthier, making people happier, and again having

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Speaker 3: our country be great again.

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Speaker 1: Adamiral, Brian Christine. Where do people go to keep up

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Speaker 1: with what you're working on?

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Speaker 3: Well, you can certainly look at my x account, and

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Speaker 3: also you can go to our website for the Department

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Speaker 3: of Health and Human Services to see what we're working on. Listen,

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Speaker 3: we're out here every day. We are inspired by Secretary

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Speaker 3: Kennedy to do everything we can do to make the

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Speaker 3: country healthier, to make things better. He is an amazing leader.

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Speaker 3: President Trump, amazing. We're following their lead and we're working hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very excited about a lot of stuff that's been

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Speaker 1: going on over there. And just the virtue of flipping

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Speaker 1: to give me to give you for me to rank

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Speaker 1: you guys at a A rating there on the classic

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Speaker 1: grade scale. But I appreciate that. All right, Well, let's

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Speaker 1: not be strangers. Come back with any op eds or

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Speaker 1: commentary whenever you like.

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Speaker 3: Admiral Okay, Alex, thank you so much and have listen.

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Speaker 3: Have a very blessed day. Thank you for all that

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Speaker 3: you're doing. God bless our country, and certainly God bless

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Speaker 3: our President and our secretary

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Speaker 4: Wonderfully said, thanks everyone, Thank you,